Dissecting the GOP’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud

And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

None.

Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy — the same universe in which Mitt Romney is up 10 points in “unskewed” polling — they are somehow absolutely certain that it occurs, and these supposed “small-government” types are equally certain that new regulations and state bureaucracies all across the country are necessary to prevent it.

This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving poor people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and conservative media are eager to provide it.

Second — whether by intention or happy circumstance — the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification. In Pennsylvania, for example, the state officially estimated that some 759,000 perfectly eligible voters did not possess and identification of the type required by a new state law.

And in Ohio, Republicans are in court insisting that provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct because of mistakes by polling workers must be tossed out and not counted. in other words, through no fault of their own, legally registered voters who did everything by the book would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote. Only a cynic would suggest that the GOP position is driven by the fact that such mistakes occur far more often in more Democratic urban areas, where precincts are much smaller and tightly drawn, making confusion more likely. It’s not an insignificant problem — in 2008, the state tossed 14,355 such ballots, Bloomburg reports.

In fact, the closest we have to evidence of attempted large-scale vote fraud in the current election cycle is a scandal involving a Republican company hired by the Republican National Committee to conduct voter-registration drives in four swing states, including Florida and Colorada.

In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.

Even in this specific case, however, there is no evidence that false registrations were generated in an attempt to alter election outcomes. The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register. The phantom voters thus created were not going to turn up at the polls attempting to vote.

However, other aspects of the Strategic Alliance effort might be more troubling. Voter registration is supposed to be nonpartisan, with voters of all inclinations allowed to register. In the past, however, registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.

Those voters would believe themselves properly registered, only to show up at the voting booth with no record that they had done so. A recent videotape of a Strategic Alliance registration worker outside a Colorado grocery store suggests there may be some basis to those fears:

– Jay Bookman

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Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:25 am

Sounds like the Strategic Alliance used one of Acorns old training mauals.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
11:26 am

registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.

…which, if it isn’t punishable by jail time, should be. (obviously that goes for anyone pulling that kind of stunt, on any political party.)

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:26 am

manual! Not maual…the dreaded typo.

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
11:27 am

Used the manuals? Acorn infiltrated Strategic Alliance in a false flag operation. It was Obama’s idea.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
11:27 am

cue the biggest buts, with their but, but, buts

GOP voter suppression is Anti-American and beyond shameful.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:28 am

JAY,

I don’t know much about this issue but 2 questions come to mind..first, if no ID is required, what’s to keep one from registering multiple times under various names? Second, what % of total voter population do the DEMS think could, or are affected by this GOP tactic?

DebbieDoRight - Politics Is A Form Of Illusion And Self Delusion

October 1st, 2012
11:28 am

Did you get a chance to see CurrentTV’s very good expose on Fox News and its close ties to the GOP party? It dealt with the same topic and showed (with video evidence), the close “friendship” between Fox/Gop/Radio Pundits.

The GOP would come out with a talking point, (Voter Fraud), it would be repeated by the White house, Fox News and Radio pundits verbatim

Fascinating stuff.

Regarding your post — I recently did a “google” of Goebbel and his strategies during WWII; obviously the GOP were very good students of his.

As a shout out to the repubs, I think I may change my moniker again, DDR – Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
11:28 am

Sounds like the Strategic Alliance used one of Acorns old training mauals

And yet the poutrage by the right conned will be dramatically muted. Wonder why?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:29 am

Also, appropos of nothing, attached is an article that 100% explains why neither candidate for any position is worthy of our support..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-truth-deficit-from-obama-and-romney/2012/09/30/262c4602-09a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:31 am

DEBBIE,

Check out the link I posted…both parties are even on the dishonesty scale…

No news on FOX…I guess the same is true for MSNBC…perhaps?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:32 am

oooh 7th!! Yeah!!!

Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. — Goebbels

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:32 am

Stevie ray@11:29

That link is spot on. The level of BS from both sides knows no limits.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:33 am

DEBBIE,

How exactly is Current TV funded?

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
11:33 am

I’m so glad that Republicans think the 57 state thing was a gaffe. What they don’t know is that Obama is picking up extra electoral votes from those 7 unknown states, guaranteeing his reelection in November. Its also why the polls always seem skewed in his favor. Strategic Alliance never got to register voters in those extra states.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:35 am

STEVE,

It is amazing to find such a non-partisan appraisal and confirmation that neither candidate or party have a corner on the bald face liars (albeit often by ommission) market..

Washington Post is an expectional read.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
11:36 am

what’s to keep one from registering multiple times under various names?

per this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2004/10/people_who_vote_twice.html

“Intentionally voting more than once in a federal election is a third-degree felony in most states and probably also violates federal election-fraud laws. The punishment varies from state to state but is usually up to five or 10 years in jail and fine of up to $5,000 or $10,000.”

I think the better question to ask is–how many people are going to intentionally risk those kinds of penalties in order to cast a couple of extra votes? I’d think it would be idiotic to knowingly attempt such a thing–the risk-reward ratio is terrible.

Common Sense

October 1st, 2012
11:36 am

Let’s dissect this MARTA report instead. The AJC has not referenced it.

http://www.progressiverailroading.com/prdailynews/news.asp?id=32759

Here are a few highlights:

Other key findings included:

• MARTA is projected to exhaust its reserves by fiscal-year 2018 and fall below its mandated reserve levels by FY2016;

• The agency has $7.1 billion in unfunded capital needs through FY2021;

• High employee-absenteeism rates cost MARTA about $11 million in additional benefits;

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:36 am

I don’t know what’s funnier…Current TV pointing fingers about bias at other networks or Fox calling itself “fair and balanced”.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:38 am

Dishonesty? Perhaps. But the award for Voter Suppression 2012, goes to the repubs.

Do you think Karl Rove would like his crown?

He can be Miss VS; and wear those high heels he’s been dying to wear out in public ever since last Halloween when he dressed up as Mamie Eisenhower.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:40 am

STANDS,

What controls do we have in place? Do you really think anyone would give a flip about fine et al if there is no checks and balances to get caught? Just like Acorn helped DEM voting base to figure out how to manipulate entitlements, I doubt it is beneath them to coach voters how to pull using the fact that they have no id, so nobody knows who they actually are..off fraud in this fashion..

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
11:41 am

dB: …which, if it isn’t punishable by jail time, should be. (obviously that goes for anyone pulling that kind of stunt, on any political party.)

Almost half the time, the charges end up getting dropped.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
11:42 am

I don’t know what’s funnier…

…multiple postings of the same drudgey spam.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:42 am

DEBBIE,

I think anyone who votes needs to show id..otherwise, more incentive is provided to register under different names multiple times..no credible efficacy controls are in place unless I’m missing something..

If I’m right, then the DEMS are trying to make sure this sort of fraud is not restricted..

TGT

October 1st, 2012
11:42 am

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:44 am

How exactly is Current TV funded?

They’re funded by a magical liberal Fairy, (Barnie to Good Dinosaur), who waves his magic wand and voila! Millions, no billions of dollars magically appear!!!

Clap your hands if you believe in magic!! clap your hands!!! And you have to say it out loud!!

Seriously?

I believe they’re funded just as any other network is – through advertisements, etc. :roll:

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:44 am

Not as funny as posting “drudgery spam” 15 times a day.

“A life is a terrible thing to waste” ~ George Washington

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
11:45 am

doubt it is beneath them to coach voters how to pull using the fact that they have no id, so nobody knows who they actually are..off fraud in this fashion..

AHA! The fact no one is caught is proof this behavior is rampant!!!!!!!

Most of us would need to drink Drano to think like this. I guess it comes naturally to cons.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
11:45 am

“In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.”

This happens while Kyle is on vacation….coincidence?

straitroad

October 1st, 2012
11:46 am

Jay, my wife worked a voting precinct as a poll manager for ten years. She saw more than a handful of people attempt to vote fraudulently in each election. Voting should be taken seriously and there should be a degree of effort put forth from the citizenry to have the privilege.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 1st, 2012
11:47 am

Jay:

How about a thread on how the Obama Administration is trying to keep military personnel from voting !!!!!!!!!!!

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:47 am

The gop use projection so they are guilty of voter fraud.

The gop debate consistent of blatant lying, deflection and projection.

No intellectual honesty.

So when they say they want honest debate laugh in their face.

southpaw

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

Wow, Jay! Less than two hours after I raise this as a possible topic, and here it is! You do remember that Finn asked if CONS wanted to talk about it?! :-D

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy…

Is that the same one in which Christianity is not a religion, there are 80 something Communists in the US Congress and George Bush and the PNAC gang are principled conservatives?

TGT

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

You mean the alternative universe where almost 3/4 of Americans support voter ID laws? (Must be a crowded universe.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/08/12/National-Politics/Polling/release_116.xml?uuid=E1kPqOQZEeGJ93biOpgtBg

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

“Won’t knot, waist knot”
– Thomas Jefferson

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

I don’t see anything wrong with Voter ID laws. Why not give people ample time to get properly registered and have their paperwork in order.. Start the ID laws in 2015.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

NATIONAL DISGRACE !

“The military is seeing a huge drop in absentee ballot requests by service members, according to VirginiaWatchdog.org, a situation which is being called a “national disgrace.”

Eric Eversole executive director of the Project, told Virginia Watchdog despite the implementation of the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act in 2009, which was supposed to help military voters obtain absentee ballots, the system isn’t working. Service members simply aren’t getting the same level of voter assistance that civilians receive, he said.”

Read more on Newsmax.com: Huge Dropoff in Military Absentee Ballot Requests Worries GOP
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

F. Sinkwich

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

“In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company…has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems.”

Gee, if SAC’s name was ACORN and was operating for the DNC, the democrats would have provided federal funding for its antics.

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

How about a thread on how the Republicans and Mitt Romney are trying to keep military personnel from voting in Ohio?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

DEBBIE,

As a “progressive site” It’s not difficult to discern who exactly would be buying ad space…Heck Joy Behar is involved…the network was founded by Al Gore and is staffed by all those who are also on America Left…

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

“first, if no ID is required”

Except for mail-in ballots, virtually ALL elections ALREADY require ID. What is changing is the requirement for a picture ID that must be obtained from the state.

weetamoe

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

Equal protection=everyone present a valid photo id. Does the US have a president? What is his name? What are his responsibilities? Has Romney been designated scape-president? Did anyone see the Fast and Furious report on Univision? Do you know you can get more comprehensive news coverage from Univision, al Jazeera, and the BBC than from Fox News (or ABC,NBC, CBS)?

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

Jay

If you haven’t checked out the research done by News 21, then you should give it a read. They outline what you’re talking about by actually reviewing every case of voter fraud they could get documentation on.

http://votingrights.news21.com/interactive/election-fraud-database/

You can use their database to break down the cases by state and many other different variables. As for Georgia and voter fraud, this is what they found.

Georgia has 301 cases of alleged election fraud since 2000. By category, Election Official had the highest percentage of accused at 48 percent (143 cases), followed by Voter at 27 percent (80 cases). The most prevalent fraud was Absentee Ballot Fraud at 33 percent (99 cases). The status of most cases was Pleaded at 34 percent (103 cases). Responses to requests for public records varied from state to state. Some state and local officials were quick to respond by sending available records; others failed to provide a single document.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

Well, I don’t know about you, but I see lots of folks at the polls that don’t look like citizens. Even when they show a photo ID. I think a voter ought to look something like you and me before being allowed to vote.

Anyhow, if they don’t have photo ID they can always vote absentee. Heck, even my old blue tick hound Ace could vote absentee. And he would vote with alot more sense than some of the libruls. So what’s the problem? If you don’t want to show a photo ID just vote absentee. Problem solved. Besides, I don’t want to meet up at the polls with people I think might vote different from me.

Have a good lunch everybody. You don’t need to show photo ID to eat lunch someplace, just at the polls. So quit your b!tching.

TaxPayer

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

Typical cons–breaking the law while accusing others of breaking the law.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

AQUAGIRL

I guess in you way of thinking, the cops catch 100% of speeders…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
11:51 am

Equal protection=everyone present a valid photo id.

And how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?

Paul

October 1st, 2012
11:52 am

So we still have no evidence of in-person voter fraud.

But we do have evidence of Republican workers registering only those who would vote for Romney, not registering all unregistered voters, thus leading to less possible votes for Pres Obama.

No wonder the diversions started quicker than usual.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
11:52 am

I always wondered why convicted felons are restricted from voting. Seems odd….they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:52 am

Do you really think anyone would give a flip about fine et al if there is no checks and balances to get caught?

If they’re no way for checks and balances to work, then WHY cry “Voter Fraud” if you can’t prove it? That’s sort of like crying “Wolf” aint it?

Stevie Ray: I think anyone who votes needs to show id..otherwise, more incentive is provided to register under different names multiple times..no credible efficacy controls are in place unless I’m missing something..

Registration and Voting are two separate things. To register you need an ID — the state checks to make sure that the ID you’ve registered with IS credible.

However, if you’ve been a registered voter for 30 years, going to the same polling place, with only your light bill as evidence of your right to vote at that polling place, (your name is already on the rolls), then WHY would yo suddenly need an I.D.?

If I’m right, then the DEMS are trying to make sure this sort of fraud is not restricted..

WHAT FRAUD?? Please, go to the Justice Department’s website, (oh Noze!! The JD is run by Libber-ALLS!!!); and pull the DATA on the number of voter frauds in the past 50 years.

It’ll help.

Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. — Goebbels

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
11:54 am

TGT — “You mean this alternative universe?”

Yeah, it’s an alternative universe, all right. An imaginary one — YOUR imagination. :roll:

Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority’s claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election. Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race “unbelievable” and the Minnesota Majority report “good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign.”

In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#Further_investigations

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:54 am

“Typical cons–breaking the law while accusing others of breaking the law.”

Projection.

But Obama bla bla bla…..

Deflection.

“Sounds like the Strategic Alliance used one of Acorns old training mauals.”

Blatant lie.

I rest my case.

Zero intellectual honesty from the right.

Just mindless bs.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
11:54 am

Read more on Newsmax.com: Huge Dropoff in Military Absentee Ballot Requests Worries GOP
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

Spamming is sad. If you can’t compose your thoughts and type them, that must truly suck.

Spam that includes the fine print is even sadder, because the spammer didn’t even bother to read and understand what the hell they’re parroting.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
11:55 am

“they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?”

It’s part of their punishment. The question is: should they regain it once they have serverd their sentences to completion?

I think the answer is easy, but in some states it’s No.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
11:55 am

So in Senior Digits world (where the trees are lollipops and unicorn herds roam freely), allegations of taking away the vote from serrvice members demands investigation. Taking away the vote from homeless vets, those of color, students, the elderly and many others who may not have IDs… nothing to see here. :roll: Oh the poutrage!

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:57 am

We should make the voting process easier not harder cons.

As usual, cons are dead wrong.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 1st, 2012
11:58 am

Cons can no longer win without cheating.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
11:59 am

getalife 11:57

There’s something to be said for consistency.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
11:59 am

“It’s part of their punishment. The question is: should they regain it once they have serverd their sentences to completion?

I think the answer is easy, but in some states it’s No.”

I guess I can see barring inmates from voting (48 states do)….but after you’ve paid your debt, why not let convicted felons vote?

It would be interesting to see how a trip to prison affect’s one’s political viewpoint. Are you more likely to become politically active, are you more likely to move to the right or left on the spectrum?

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:59 am

Macy hiring 80,000 Americans.

That helps.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
12:00 pm

I always wondered why convicted felons are restricted from voting. Seems odd….they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?

I think it’s wrong to deny any American citizen their right to vote, even if they’ve committed a heinous crime.

I might not go so far as to allow actual convicts to claim their current residence, since that could create obvious problems (hey, how about a local referendum saying… we all go free?)

But any Republic worth its salt should encourage voter participation amongst all its citizens, rather than looking for new and creative ways to restrict it.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:00 pm

I find it rather funny that you are very upset with voter ID laws and call them voter suppression agents when you need ID’s to

1. Board a plane
2. buy Cigarrettes
3. cash a check
4. go into a club
5. buy alcohol
6. get Social Security

yet, you defend this idiotic notion that anyone should be able to walk up to a polling booth and vote, no need to prove Identity or citizenship…..I don’t get it…..

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:00 pm

Paul.

Yes, I give them that.

Consistently intellectually dishonest.

OBIWAN

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

I think Jay is right we don’t need any ID, make sure you tell that to the cop that pulls you over or the liquor store when you want beer. Or maybe when you want to get your gun permit, tell them you are a democrat and you don’t believe in the need for an ID, right Jay?

Jefferson

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

If cheating is so easy, the GOP should cheat, looks like their only chance to win as their ideas suck.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

SfD — “I might not go so far as to allow actual convicts to claim their current residence, since that could create obvious problems (hey, how about a local referendum saying… we all go free?)”

I seem to recall that some states *do* count inmates as ‘residents’ for some purposes, leading to increased funding for some sorts of things. However, I don’t recall the details and I haven’t got the bookmark at hand. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on that practice.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

“This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot ”
*******************

Now I am confused. The Republicans are victims? According to Mittster only the 47% democrats are victims. OMG! Everybody is a victim!

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
12:03 pm

As a “progressive site” It’s not difficult to discern who exactly would be buying ad space…Heck Joy Behar is involved…the network was founded by Al Gore and is staffed by all those who are also on America Left…

Who CARES who’s buying space on a TV network? Heck I don’t smoke, have male erectile dysfunction, am pregnant, OR need Depends undepants, yet all these entities buy air space on ALL networks!! Exactly what does it mean as to who buys space and who doesn’t?

Besides, I TOLD you it was the magical liberal fairy (Barnie the Good Dinosaur), who’s funding CurrentTV anyway……………. :roll:

Jefferson

October 1st, 2012
12:03 pm

Martin is full.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
12:03 pm

1. Board a plane
2. buy Cigarrettes
3. cash a check
4. go into a club
5. buy alcohol
6. get Social Security
————————————

Show me in the U.S. Constitution where any of the 6 listed above are guaranteed.

I’ll wait….

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
12:04 pm

Brietbart.com needs to get ace reporter James O’Keefe on this asap!

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
12:05 pm

SBinF

Florida is the most recent state that I can remember that used to automatically restore voting rights when felons were released. Their current governor rescinded that practice and now it’s even harder than it was before to regain rights. I can’t understand how you expect someone to become a functional member in society when you purposefully restrict what functions they can partake.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
12:06 pm

Amazing how many of the conned are “just becoming aware” or “just don’t get” why there may be issues with photo IDs….. But hey they still don’t understand constitutional rights or how certain groups have been denied the right to vote in the past. Nor do they comprehend that real voter fraud and election fraud is not addressed by photo IDs… but that is not their goal, is it?

Hmmmm and surprisingly their poutrage never seems to be about the cost of implementing a “failed fix” for a so negligible as to be non-existent problem.

Reebok

October 1st, 2012
12:07 pm

It’s only voter fraud when Dems do it.

Old Goober

October 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

I always wondered why convicted felons are restricted from voting. Seems odd….they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?

I suspect that the rationale is more than “part of the punishment.” I suspect the rationale is to prevent a person from striking back at the system that convicted him/her. In any case, the punishment amounts to a lifetime ban from participation in the voting system in many states. It’s similar to the lifetime employment ban that employers impose on convicted felons, no matter how long ago the conviction occurred.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

oh no. 7 purchase a gun and get a permit to carry concealed or open…

and SBinf, I’ll wait while you show me where in the Constitution that voting is a guaranteed right?

Reebok

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

Electoral-vote.com has Obama at 347 today, with 276 EC votes pretty much locked up.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

Is there some kind of drinking game going on here whenever Keep says “poutrage”?

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

heck, you even need an ID to legally enter this country

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

M. Calvinist — “yet, you defend this idiotic notion that anyone should be able to walk up to a polling booth and vote, no need to prove Identity or citizenship…..I don’t get it…..”

I don’t support that “idiotic notion” and I have no problem with having voters prove identity and citizenship. However, the GOP’s execution on that is totally screwed. In almost every case, Republicans dither about it and then get all serious about moving forward just months before an election takes place — thereby making them look like they’re trying their damndest to suppress voters.

If you want a national ID system — which IMO is the only way to secure our voting system and our job market — then go high-tech and get an early start. Get both parties to agree on things like biometrics in the ID, and announce WAY in advance when you’ll have to have the card. But also give people a big window to get it, and help the elderly and disabled to obtain it. For example, when developing the national ID system, say (for example) ‘okay, the IDs will be required on January 1, 2018, but you can start getting them on January 1, 2017. You need to get it, because it’s your Social Security card, proof of citizenship, your Medicare card, your work authorization in the US and your voter ID all in one. If you don’t get it, you’re going to be hosed as of 1/1/2018.’

Besides, driver’s licenses don’t prove citizenship. Every state’s DL is forgeable.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

Joe, that’s reasonable to me, to give it more time….

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
12:11 pm

“and SBinf, I’ll wait while you show me where in the Constitution that voting is a guaranteed right?”

I don’t know if you’ve heard of this thing…passed over 40 years ago, and held up as constitutional. Hmm, what was it called….Oh yeah….the VOTING RIGHTS ACT of 1965. Unless I’m mistaken, there is no such ‘Board a Plane Rights Act’ or ‘Buy Cigarettes Rights Act.’

BuckeyeInGa

October 1st, 2012
12:12 pm

Registration and Voting are two separate things. To register you need an ID — the state checks to make sure that the ID you’ve registered with IS credible.

However, if you’ve been a registered voter for 30 years, going to the same polling place, with only your light bill as evidence of your right to vote at that polling place, (your name is already on the rolls), then WHY would yo suddenly need an I.D.?

This is key. No matter how long your voter history is, someone can say you’re not eligible to vote. Another issue with the law is which type of id is considered valid.. is a gun id valid? is a college id valid? are certain college ids valid and other are not valid?

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:12 pm

martin thinks poor people leave our country to vacation in the Swiss Alps with romney.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

JamVet:

“How about a thread on how the Republicans and Mitt Romney are trying to keep military personnel from voting in Ohio?”

And as usual, you have it exactly backwards:

1) Headline (Forbes Magazine): “Military Interests May Sway Vote In Ohio, A Key State For Republicans”

“If election results in other states are any indication, most of those military personnel will be voting Republican”.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2012/10/01/military-interests-may-sway-vote-in-ohio-a-key-state-for-republicans/

2) Headline (Huffington Post): “Early Voting Begins Amid Court Challenges In Various States”

“In 2011, Ohio legislators passed a law eliminating early in-person voting the last three days before Election Day for everyone BUT (emphasis added) members of the U.S. military.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/early-voting-2012-elections_n_1899522.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

booger

October 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

The fact that their have been no arrest or convictions is simply because voter fraud at the polling place is virtually impossible to police. Once a person casts a ballot, and leaves, there is no way to identify the person, or that the crime has taken place.

We do know through other evidence that fraud has taken place. When votes are cast by people long deseased fraud has occurred. When there are more voters in an election than registered voters, fraud has occurred. Both of these situations have occurred more than once.

Those who are against the ID law likewise cannot find potential voters who have been affected. They are against the law because they fear someone may be affected. Likewise those who support the law do so because someone may commit fraud, and this will be a deterant.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

Oh noooo Stevis is still pouting from last week….. :lol:

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
12:14 pm

“heck, you even need an ID to legally enter this country”

Why on earth would someone be allowed to vote absentee in this state???????

Where is the outrage????????

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:14 pm

They tried to cheat right before the election so the courts could not stop it in time.

Then they wonder why no Americans trust them.

N-GA

October 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

It’s a lot like drug testing people who receive welfare. The GOP probably has lobbyists (Ralph Reed, maybe) standing by ready to get paid big bucks for performing the testing. Similar to all these for-profit driving schools where people are sent to get driving rehabilitation? I’m sure that really works. Or like requiring people seeking a divorce to get mediation. I bet everyone here knows how well that works. The lawyers make out like bandits! Of course you have to consider how many legislators are lawyers. Or perhaps look at the requirement to have closing attorneys for real estate transactions. $700-$1000 down the tubes. Not a requirement in most other states.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

M. Calvinist — “Joe, that’s reasonable to me, to give it more time….”

Seriously, I don’t think that most liberals have a problem with voter IDs per se. I think that most of them see the *way* conservatives are going about it as the problem. Half-arsed, rushed attempts to put laws in place right before elections and citizens not knowing or understanding how to comply? That’s a recipe for people getting screwed out of their votes, IMO.

Let’s come together on both sides, work out a proper and SECURE way to do it, and then make it happen by a pre-announced date certain. Everyone wins that way — we get a secure voting system and nobody gets screwed out of their opportunity to vote.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

here you go SBinf……there are things in the Constitution that says you can’t put restrictions on voting but no right to Vote is in the Constitution….

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#vote

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
11:27 am

Granny G,
The GOP has, time and time again, proven that they ARE Anti-American. I don’t understand how most people can’t see this.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

“Oh noooo Stevis is still pouting from last week….”

You must have the wrong but at least you didn’t say “poutrage” again. :)

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

I’ll bet you $10,000 not a single conservative can answer this,

What sense does it make to ask for id when voting in person but not by absentee ballot?

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

Citizenship should be
awarded like a bar/bat
mitzvah.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

If you want a national ID system — which IMO is the only way to secure our voting system and our job market — then go high-tech and get an early start.

Joe Hussein Mama

Is there an estimate on how much this high-tech ID will cost?

The estimate of eligible voters in the US is 207,643,594.

I’m thinking that the cost of producing and distributing this ID is gonna be enormous.

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

Citizenship should be
awarded with a celebration like a bar/bat mitzvah.

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

“The military is seeing a huge drop in absentee ballot requests by service members, according to VirginiaWatchdog.org, a situation which is being called a “national disgrace.”

Eric Eversole executive director of the Project, told Virginia Watchdog despite the implementation of the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act in 2009, which was supposed to help military voters obtain absentee ballots, the system isn’t working. Service members simply aren’t getting the same level of voter assistance that civilians receive, he said.”

Maybe the boots on the ground are tired of warmongering and realize that Mittens and the rest of the chairborne 101st (the Chickenhawks) have Iran in their sights now…

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

getalife, dude, you need one…..you don’t know me to well……the last thing I am is rich…..or a true defender of the rich….I’m just a dude who wants an opportunity, not a gov’t handout….or a gov’t to darn large that it consumes the nations wealth….

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

Current TV?!?

Now that’s funny.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:20 pm

Martin,

Your words give you away.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

Or these…

md?

Joe

October 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

How to buy an election

1. Michigan : bail out auto companies ( UAW votes )
2. Ohio: free Obama phones for one million people ( gota love the Cleveland lady )

Jm

October 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

K’Chak — “Joe Hussein Mama Is there an estimate on how much this high-tech ID will cost? The estimate of eligible voters in the US is 207,643,594. I’m thinking that the cost of producing and distributing this ID is gonna be enormous.”

I expect it would be pretty doggone costly.

FWIW, (and I’ve posted this several times), this ID would replace several other types of IDs, so it would serve a lot of functions.

It could serve as your voter ID.

Prospective employers could use it to check to ensure you’re authorized to work in the US before hiring you (so resident aliens could get such a card that allows them to work, but wouldn’t allow them to vote).

It could also be your SS and Medicare card.

I’m sure there are other functions it could be used for.

It seems to me that both parties are upset about the amount of dirty tricks and hijinks surrounding the voting system, as well as unauthorized immigrant labor. So why not use this method instead? Seriously, I can’t think of an easier or less costly way to do it.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

Why Romney would have made a better 44th president

“The U.S. economy has improved under President Barack Obama. But by all the measures Democrats use, Americans would be better off today if Mitt Romney had led the country for the past four years…Heading into November’s election, voters should be asking which president would have done a better job with the cards Obama was dealt. Although such hypothetical questions are hard to answer, a quick look at the record suggests the winner would be Romney…Romney the pragmatist would have been more likely to focus on the most effective measures to reduce unemployment, rather than on pushing a liberal agenda.” Luigi Zingales in Bloomberg.

larry

October 1st, 2012
12:23 pm

While i agree we need Voter ID laws, i have to agree with Joe , the time the states are given to impliment them is a real giveaway to what is behind these laws.

The only thing they care about is making sure a certain canididate wins.

Making sure everyone has an ID is the states’ job since they are the one making the laws. And im not talking about buying an old broken down van that barely runs to go to all the counties to give ID’s to people that need them. The state needs to spend the money to make sure everyone and i mean everyone has an ID.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:23 pm

SBinf….here’s another one……http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States

A national id is expensive but I think we do need it…..It’s not right that non citizens or those not eligible for legitimate reasons to vote….we should guard against that….I thinks that’s reasonable…
It shouldn’t be regarded as voter supression…..any legal US citizen should be able to vote,

AngryRedMarsWoman

October 1st, 2012
12:23 pm

I don’t get it. Whether voting is a “free for all” or requires ten forms of ID and blood test, it still doesn’t matter – unless we get rid of the electoral college and elect the POTUS by popular vote most people are pretty much disenfranchised anyway. Unless you are in a “battleground state” nobody cares. And in a two-party system where neither seems capable of offering a really decent candidate, I tend to be suspicious of people who want to vote for either – not to mention someone who would take the time to try to vote more than once. Welcome to Georgia – neither candidate is going to give us much thought (because one is already a shoe-in) and I am glad I don’t have to put up with all of the BS politicking. Wake me up for Thanksgiving – nothing is going to change.

azazel

October 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

DDR– home-grown propaganda has a long history of sophisticated manipulatuion(e.g., walter Lipmann’s Manufacturing Consent, and more chilling still,from edward Bernays:”The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

No ID to vote absentee – where fraud does occur.

Sounds like a typically well thoght out GOP plan to me.

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Make sure you and yours are ready to vote….and if there is ANY problem demand a provisional ballot.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
12:25 pm

and SBinf, I’ll wait while you show me where in the Constitution that voting is a guaranteed right?

The Constitution doesn’t guarantee rights. The Constitution is design rights that we already have. Hence the amendments that protect women and minority rights to vote. It was understood from the writing of the Constitution that White men already had the right to vote.

—————————

Is there an estimate on how much this high-tech ID will cost?

The estimate of eligible voters in the US is 207,643,594.

I’m thinking that the cost of producing and distributing this ID is gonna be enormous.

Not really, especially when considering that a person is usually born with all the ID that’s needed. We simply need to register and record votes by biometric identification. It’s very difficult to use someone else’s fingerprint to vote whether it’s by absentee ballot or in person.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:25 pm

again getalife, you really don’t know me that well for you to assume that I am a true defender of the rich…….

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
12:25 pm

martin @ 12:00

All the examples you have listed are false equivalencies
Nos. 2,4, and 5 are to verify age in order to comply with laws widely known to be routinely broken by the underaged, unlike voter fraud.

No. 3 is because it involves a transfer of money between two parties who have may no idea of the legitimacy of the written check, and serves to protect both the party paying on the check as well as the account holder. Again, check fraud is a well known and common problem, unlike voter fraud.
No.6 again deals with money, a great incentive for fraud, and again is a common problem.

No.1 has several reasons, including accurate passenger lists in case of a crash,security, etc.

As mentioned by others, registering to vote requires identification on the front end, after which utility bills used to show ID are perfectly sufficient, unless you know somebody who will go through the trouble of figuring out where each individual they want to impersonate lives, generate a false billing statement, and then somehow guarantee the person/people they are impersonating won’t vote and revealing the deception.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

Ok md………..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

How to buy an election…

1. …promise a tax cut using a projected budget surplus.
2. …front load those tax cuts for the very wealthy.
3. …invade a foreign country and then claim tax cuts can’t happen as promised.

Nice Guy

October 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

Here you go, Jay, I’ll fix your typos:

This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the Left because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving rich people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and liberal media are eager to provide it.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
12:27 pm

Why Romney would have made a better 44th president

Because it’s somebody’s opinion that he would have been better. There’s no tangible evidence that actually shows that. One can only use assumptions to come to that conclusion.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
12:27 pm

yet, you defend this idiotic notion that anyone should be able to walk up to a polling booth and vote, no need to prove Identity or citizenship…..I don’t get it…..

Ok get this – If Voter Fraud was so rampant, then WHY WAIT to instate Voter Suppression Detection laws? If it was sooo rampant in 2007, 2008, 2009,2010, 2011, etc.; then why did the majority of right leaning states wait until THIS YEAR to demand that everyone in the state have the same state ID to vote, and must have the information before they are allowed to vote in November for the presidential race?

Why the wait? Why couldn’t they have started this massive drive in say……………2009? Not all states did this, JUST the ones that went majority Democratic in the past major elections…………..

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
12:28 pm

ARMW

As long as people blindly vote party over the individual, you’ll continue to see very few “battle states”. When people decide to quit being sheep and start being Americans, I think that would shake things up a bit. That’s just my opinion though.

Nice Guy

October 1st, 2012
12:29 pm

Also, Jay, why is it that you hardly ever write a piece on what Obama/Democrats are doing successfully or are doing correctly? Why?

Instead you just write about what the Republicans are doing wrong.

Some people call that easy money, Jay.

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
12:29 pm

Ahem @12:22. While Luigi Zengales is free to hold that opinion, it is worth less than what I wiped from my azz and flushed down the toilet this morning.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

but saywhat, can’t you say that it’s age discrimination to require an ID, owning a weapon is a Constitutional right so aren’t denying people the right to have a weapon by making them have an ID, all I’m saying is that you need an ID to do just about anything in this country….why can’t we have an ID to vote as well or request an absentee ballot…..I have conceded (or find very reasonable) that we should give more time to establish an ID for everyone….makes sense…

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:31 pm

Even in the unlikely event of Obama’s re-election, he still loses:

Just look at the mess he will inherit from the previous administration, HIS.

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
12:32 pm

Joe

October 1st, 2012
12:21 pm
How to buy an election

1. Michigan : bail out auto companies ( UAW votes )
2. Ohio: free Obama phones for one million people ( gota love the Cleveland lady )
==================

Joe – as to #2, I have some questions:

Do the phones says “Obama” on them (why are you calling them “Obama” phones”)?
Has Romney come out against whatever specific program distributes phones?
What is the goal of this “phone” program, and has it achieved it?
And finally, can you link to the “1 million phones in Ohio” cite?

Thanks for your help.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
12:33 pm

A national id is expensive but I think we do need it….

It would be worth it just to hear the screams of the Rapture Ready crowd. If we’re gonna spend that much money I propose we call the national ID card “the mark of the beast.” This should maximize the hilarity. Also I could invest in gold and other end-of-the world nutbag commodities.

Count me in for this idea!

Nice Guy

October 1st, 2012
12:33 pm

Jay – “the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification”

Completely unnecessary?….Really?

We live in a hyper political world with who-knows how many terrorist, and asking for ID is completely unecessary?

Sheesh.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
12:34 pm

DDR @ 12:27

There is empirical evidence to support you.

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/

A News21 analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.

In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

“Voter fraud at the polls is an insignificant aspect of American elections,” said elections expert David Schultz, professor of public policy at Hamline University School of Business in St. Paul, Minn.

“There is absolutely no evidence that (voter impersonation fraud) has affected the outcome of any election in the United States, at least any recent election in the United States,” Schultz said.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:34 pm

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
12:29 pm
Ahem @12:22. While Luigi Zengales is free to hold that opinion, it is worth less than what I wiped from my azz and flushed down the toilet this morning.

So, are you a headless dumb azz now; or just the same ol’ dumb azz as before?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
12:36 pm

Is there any method of ID that is completely secure?

If we go to a national ID….will it have to be biometric?

Are conservtives ready to pony up a little DNA to the government?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
12:36 pm

….why can’t we have an ID to vote as well or request an absentee ballot…

How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?

Again — the estimate of eligible voters in the US is 207,643,594.

At $1 per ID that’s $207,643,594
At $10 per ID that’s $2,076,435,940
At $100 per ID that’s $20,764,359,400

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:37 pm

GG — “No ID to vote absentee – where fraud does occur. Sounds like a typically well thoght out GOP plan to me.”

With my national ID card, perhaps that could be fixed, too.

Imagine Ed the Trucker. Ed drives his rig all over the country, delivering freight. One week it could be a load of mattresses to Seattle. The next week, pallets of canned fruit and vegetables to New England. Ed never knows when he’s going to be home or for how long.

So what if Ed was passing thru Gallup, New Mexico on I-40 (probably hauling a load of Pampers to California) and said to himself “I think I’ll go vote today.” Ed could go to the City Hall or county office, present his ID and vote REMOTELY in his local, state and Federal elections. The good people in Gallup would just provide the computer and internet connection, and they’d log on, identify themselves and their location to the Georgia system, which would then handle delivering Ed’s choices to his screen, as well as delivering his votes back to the GA Secretary of State.

Result: Ed votes absentee with a minimum of hassle. AND he has to show ID.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
12:37 pm

Have not seen any of the conned express their dismay at the video…. why if Little Jimmy had made this video while in his pimp outfit, it would be on Fox in an endless loop.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 1st, 2012
12:37 pm

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

I don’t think that there is a blogger here that doesn’t want that, but you won’t get it from the GOP.

All you will get is rhetoric and false promises as they move to become an elite corporate society with all the benefits for them and nothing for you. I’ve said it before, if to are not rich and call yourself a Republican, you have been sold a pig in a poke.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:39 pm

GG — Is there any method of ID that is completely secure?”

Nothing’s completely, 100% secure. But I think we can do much better than we currently are.

“If we go to a national ID….will it have to be biometric?”

I think so.

“Are conservtives ready to pony up a little DNA to the government?”

Shrug. They already give up a thumbprint to the State of Georgia.

BuckeyeInGa

October 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

Why Romney would have made a better 44th president

too bad he got beat my McCain in the primary.

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

If we’re gonna spend that much money I propose we call the national ID card “the mark of the beast.” This should maximize the hilarity

^THIS^

southpaw

October 1st, 2012
12:41 pm

SBinF @12:11
So much for the Constitution. On to the Voting Rights Act. I searched for “identification” in it, but couldn’t find anything prohibiting identification as a requirement to vote. What section was that, again?

Steve-USA @12:09
Haven’t seen that game yet, but maybe there should be one. Just don’t forget to include Kamchak’s “drudgey spam” posts, as well.

JHM @12:09
I remember when you told me the same thing a few weeks ago. Still can’t improve on your idea, even though I’ve thought about it several times since then.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:41 pm

K’Chak — “How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?”

“At $100 per ID that’s $20,764,359,400″

How much do Presidential candidates spend per election cycle? I’d think they’d consider it worth it to ensure the security and fidelity of the election system. Plus, if the people wanted it, a candidate would look like a real Richard for opposing it.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
12:42 pm

“They already give up a thumbprint to the State of Georgia”

Which can be faked.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
12:42 pm

JHM

I love the idea.

However, back to my question.

How do we make it truly secure?

bob

October 1st, 2012
12:42 pm

Our jails currently house people convicted of voter fraud, mostl dems. Dodge County GA had voter fraud, 4 dem party officials were convicted last year and several ex felon have been arrested in MN that help Franken win. While they are not voter ID we do know that fraudsters are among us and we should do everything we can to stop it. For those wanting to avoid jury duty, show up to the courthouse with no ID, you will not be seated.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

“I’d think they’d consider it worth it to ensure the security and fidelity of the election system. ”

It already is. I’m going on an old memory here…and I’m too lazy right now to look it up…but my memory is that the Supreme Court has ruled on national IDs as being unconstitutional.

Jamvet

October 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

But any Republic worth its salt should encourage voter participation amongst all its citizens, rather than looking for new and creative ways to restrict it.

Our new GOPers seem very unwilling to participate.

Unless endless bellyaching counts!

They have become so servile that to them, protest and redress of grievances is now unforgivable. Unless the protesters are tea partiers. (They apparetnly never read Paine, Douglass, Thoreau and Jefferson)

They prefer that the “monied interests” and talking heads do their thinking for them, so they can stay completely self-sidelined save once every four years.

Also note how they have gone completely apopectic over the word democracy, when used to descibe the United States of America.

To the point where they do not even care that the sacred sovereignty of we the pople has been usurped by those monied interests.

Sad…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

JHM

I think the public will balk at $207 million

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

southpaw — “JHM @12:09
I remember when you told me the same thing a few weeks ago. Still can’t improve on your idea, even though I’ve thought about it several times since then.”

I know my idea’s not perfect, but I think on the whole, it can be refined and made pretty doggone good — certainly good enough to satisfy both conservative and liberal complaints about our current system.

The Libertarian in me doesn’t like it, but I honestly can’t see a way to accomplish the job *without* some sort of national ID and database.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
12:45 pm

JHM

You answered it.

Now, conservatives….

How many of you are willing to provide a DNA sample for a National ID?

larry

October 1st, 2012
12:46 pm

And between now and 2016, look for states to do away with early voting. Ohio tried it by stating that only the military could early vote, until the courts came it and said everyone could early vote. Also , look for them to say it costs too much to early vote and they will be cutting the secretary of states’ budget. Because they cant cut the education budget any more.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
12:46 pm

“They already give up a thumbprint to the State of Georgia”

Which can be faked.

How? Are they selling fake thumbs on eBay?

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
12:46 pm

I’d think they’d consider it worth it to ensure the security and fidelity of the election system.

Joe, on this one, I have to laugh. Do you really think that any of the voter suppression efforts are about real security of the system? For the record, I agree that the system needs to be secure but before it would be worthwhile to spend billions or more on a “secure” system, it should be shown to address the real security issues in voting and to remove barriers to voting by citizens.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
12:47 pm

“How many of you are willing to provide a DNA sample for a National ID?”

A DNA sample would be useless for voter ID…unless you’re also willing to pony up to have testing labs installed in very polling place in the country.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:47 pm

Doggone — “Which can be faked.”

The beauty of storing those prints digitally is that they can be compared and the database scrubbed. If you have (for example) twenty exact print matches on valid IDs, the system can flag those IDs. The next time they try to use those IDs for something, the bearers can be directed to their nearest county/state office to have the discrepancy resolved.

FWIW, you’re not going to have twenty matching prints running around the state unless someone’s making fake IDs. But if you *find* matching prints, the system can flag the IDs.

Ron

October 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

I don’t see any problems showing an ID when it comes to voting. You need one to cash your welfare check, to drive, and are expected to have one when the police stop you. The Dem’s don’t like anything that could prevent them from stealing elections. This is necessary to prevent foreign nationals (Illegals) from voting in our elections. Why don’t we let the people decide – put it on the ballot!

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.

Ooh me likey!!! Big Brother Lives!!

“Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain.” — George Orwell 1984

Buckeye: This is key. No matter how long your voter history is, someone can say you’re not eligible to vote. Another issue with the law is which type of id is considered valid.. is a gun id valid? is a college id valid? are certain college ids valid and other are not valid?

First off, BOOOO! BOOO!! Buckeyes = Suckeyes!! Urban Meyer BURN IN HELL!!!

OK now I can comment – good point! In some states, Texas is one, you can vote with a Gun ID but NOT a student ID. It seems to me since both have holes in verification for each one; they should BOTH be eligible for use, but they’re not. IMO its because there was a vast turnout by people under 24 yo (college students most likely), for Obama last election.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

GG — “JHM I love the idea. However, back to my question. How do we make it truly secure?”

Perhaps multi-factor authentication?

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

PublicPolicyPolling says Ohio is still in play; liberals freak out

PPP, a Democrat-leaning firm, came out with a new poll tonight showing President Barack Obama leading GOP nominee Mitt Romney in Ohio by 4 points, 49-45.
(Posted at 10:06 pm on September 30, 2012)

Six percent of the respondents were undecided. Historically, in a race with an incumbent, undecided voters break heavily toward the challenger, and PPP found evidence that this will probably be the case in Ohio:

In other words, only 13 percent of undecided respondents said Obama is doing a good job, whereas 65 percent said he stinks. By comparison, Romney’s favorability rating among undecided respondents was a relatively even 26/37.

The news that Ohio is still in play was not warmly received by PPP’s liberal readers.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

“How? Are they selling fake thumbs on eBay”

As long as the fingerprint on the ID matches the fingerprint of the person presenting it…it would be a “legal” ID. Even if the person isn’t really the person the ID says they are. There is NO ID system that can’t be faked.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

Doggone — “I’m going on an old memory here…and I’m too lazy right now to look it up…but my memory is that the Supreme Court has ruled on national IDs as being unconstitutional.”

If you can dredge the memory up, I’m interested in reading the ruling.

Maybe I can bang on my idea with a wrench in order to bring it into compliance with whatever the SCOTUS said on that topic.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

And im not talking about buying an old broken down van that barely runs to go to all the counties to give ID’s to people that need them.

In case people think Larry was just making this up? He wasn’t.

Georgian were promised by Sonny Perdue that in exchange for onerous new voter ID requirements, he’d make sure that seniors and shut-ins were provided transportation to offices where they could get such ID free of charge.

I don’t really have to tell you how that turned out in practice, do I?

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2005/12/20/met_34168.shtml

Mr. Snarky

October 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

Fraud from the right…who woulda thunk it?!
They also appear to hire morons, so if any of you cons who comment on this blog are looking for work, head to Arizona. :)

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

@
Ron

October 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

Good post; I agree. What is the problem with showing an ID, just like required in so many other instances?

Just Saying..

October 1st, 2012
12:52 pm

Any chance ‘Pubs might implement their ACORN remedies on their own vendor?

Naw, didn’t think so…

Tealiban Party

October 1st, 2012
12:52 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 1st, 2012
11:47 am
How about a thread on how the Obama Administration is trying to keep military personnel from voting !!!!!!!!!!!

How about doing your own research instead of spreading falsehoods of the FWD emails your receive. Obama’s team filed a lawsuit in Ohio to allow all citizens of the Buckeye State the same early voting as military members.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/is-obama-challenging-voting-privileges-of-ohio-military-members/2012/08/07/b9cf76ac-e080-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
12:52 pm

This voter suppression campaign did not just happen to emerge in Republican controlled states this year by chance. It is planned with a lot of input from Koch front group ALEC, the RNC, and other right-wing groups. There are laws on the books about voting rights, harassment, conspiracy to violate these laws and the like which should be enforced to their fullest extent. Many are felonies. The people behind all of this should be prosecuted, convicted and sent to the slammer. What they are doing is not silly little “dirty tricks” but are a dagger aimed right at the essence of representative democracy. Elections are not a game. Every eligible person should be allowed to vote without harassment and let the chips fall where they may as far as election results. That is democracy my friends on the right.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

BuckeyeInGa

October 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

I agree.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

KUTGF — “Joe, on this one, I have to laugh. Do you really think that any of the voter suppression efforts are about real security of the system?”

My wife pointed out to me that this is an unanticipated benefit of my idea — it calls the bluff of those Richards who are more interested in voter suppression than in securing the system. :D

“For the record, I agree that the system needs to be secure but before it would be worthwhile to spend billions or more on a “secure” system, it should be shown to address the real security issues in voting and to remove barriers to voting by citizens.”

Fair enough. Any ideas on how to adjust my idea to accomplish that? Or perhaps you have something completely different in mind?

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

“here you go SBinf……there are things in the Constitution that says you can’t put restrictions on voting but no right to Vote is in the Constitution….”

Are you trolling me? That’s the same thing! If the Constitution says you can’t restrict voting, it’s protecting the right to vote.

Check the 14th, 15th, 19th, 23rd and 24th amendments to the Constitution. Then get back to me about how the Constitution doesn’t address voting rights.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

Obama’s team filed a lawsuit in Ohio to allow all citizens of the Buckeye State the same early voting as military members.

Conservatives lie about this, repeatedly. I expect I will hear about this bullsh-t “military vote suppression” business at least once a day until the election is finally freaking over.

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

Off-topic here – even UnSkewedPolls.com has Obama ahead today! LOL

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
12:54 pm

“Maybe I can bang on my idea with a wrench in order to bring it into compliance with whatever the SCOTUS said on that topic.”

The best I can suggest at the moment is to go to the SC website and search around to see if you can find it.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

How many of you are willing to provide a DNA sample for a National ID?

I’m sure this woman would strenuously object.

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/04/19/delusions-the-legislature-and-an-implanted-microchip/

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

Tealiban Party

October 1st, 2012
12:52 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 1st, 2012
11:47 am
How about a thread on how the Obama Administration is trying to keep military personnel from voting !!!!!!!!!!!

How about doing your own research instead of spreading falsehoods of the FWD emails your receive. Obama’s team filed a lawsuit in Ohio to allow all citizens of the Buckeye State the same early voting as military members.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/is-obama-challenging-voting-privileges-of-ohio-military-members/2012/08/07/b9cf76ac-e080-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html

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How about a post for the seriously under informed
and intellectually lazy?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

Ahem — “Historically, in a race with an incumbent, undecided voters break heavily toward the challenger”

No, they don’t. This has been studied for many years among statisticians, and the opposite generally happens.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:56 pm

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
12:52 pm

You are obviously suffering from koch envy.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:56 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

You are wrong, but I respect your right to be such.

redneckbluedog

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

TBAGGERS BEWARE……Mitt Romney is going to throw you completely under the bus Wednesday night….!!!!!

He is going to undergo A-N-O-T-H-E-R “Etch-a-Sketch” transformation……from “severely conservative” to “more liberal than Ted Kennedy”……!!!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

R. Kcin — “Off-topic here – even UnSkewedPolls.com has Obama ahead today! LOL”

And Rasmussen dissed UnskewedPolls over the weekend, too. :D

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

This is necessary to prevent foreign nationals (Illegals) from voting in our elections.

which has happened–how often again?

Does the term “risk:reward” ratio mean anything to you at all?

Here’s a risk I take. I do not sleep with a mosquito net around my bed, even though it is possible a wee critter with a deadly virus might enter my home and bite me.

Because you see, the possibility that I might be harmed by such an event is roughly similar to the possibility that any election, ANYWHERE, might be affected by marauding bands of foreigners somehow, inexplicably, decided to commit voter ID fraud.

These dumbass voter ID laws are the equivalent of requiring everyone to use mosquito netting around their beds.

Dirty Dawg

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

Why would anyone, other than the cognitive dissonant, not believe that the Republican Party is not only capable of this kind of systemic and orchestrated lying and cheating? A party that would try to overthrow FDR (Nazi sympathizer Prestcott Bush – yes, one of those Bushes)…to successfully sabotage Johnson’s efforts to bring Vietnam to a close in ‘68 and another 25,000 GIs died, just so Nixon/Agnew could be elected…Nixon’s dirty tricks/Watergate cesspool…to illegally negotiate with Iran to hold onto the hostages so that Carter would be assured of being defeated…to rig Florida in ‘00 and Ohio in ‘04 to ensure another Bush Presidency (and that doesn’t even account for a partisan SCOTUS)….and even a Diebold-rigged ‘02 Georgia election (practice for future electronic vote flipping). No, there’s nothing Republicans won’t do, nothing they won’t stoop to, when it comes getting and keeping power…and you question whether or not they’d hire some crooks to do their dirty work? Oh yeah, I forgot about impeaching a President over nothing, or Jack Abramoff, or Tom Delay, or Ralph Reed…hell, I could go on for hours…and you people still be in denial.

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
12:56 pm
yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
12:52 pm

You are obviously suffering from koch envy.
+++++++++++
Yuze, I agree with you, but THAT’S funny! LOL!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

Ahem — “You are wrong, but I respect your right to be such.”

No, I’m not, and I welcome your presentation of statistical evidence to the contrary.

southpaw

October 1st, 2012
12:58 pm

Aquagirl @12:33

Just be ready to shout down Pat Robertson, et al. Even he will calmly observe that a card that’s carried around, as opposed to something embedded subcutaneously, doesn’t fit the description of “the mark of the beast.” Bye-bye to most of the hilarity.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
12:59 pm

Well…if we can’t have a fool proof ID why would the GOP want to do some half assed option?

I wonder…..

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
1:00 pm

Lest anyone forget how far back this modern voter suppression effort by conservatives goes back, here’s Paul Weyrich, in 1980, explaining how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

BuckeyeInGa

October 1st, 2012
1:01 pm

Ron

October 1st, 2012
12:48 pm
@Ahem 12:51
Good post; I agree. What is the problem with showing an ID, just like required in so many other instances?

again..what is considered a valid id?

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
1:01 pm

“Well…if we can’t have a fool proof ID why would the GOP want to do some half assed option?”

You have to turn it over to the other side. The whole point is not to require ID…but to stop those who can’t or won’t get one from voting.

southpaw

October 1st, 2012
1:04 pm

TBAGGERS BEWARE……Mitt Romney is going to throw you completely under the bus Wednesday night….!!!!!

So which company is (or companies are) in the crosshairs? Lipton, Luzianne, or Tetley? Or some other tea company that’s escaped my attention?

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
1:04 pm

And Rasmussen dissed UnskewedPolls over the weekend, too.

Glad to hear it. Otherwise, though, they’re up to their usual tricks.

Here is how they worded their polling question about providing NYC students with contraception, including morning-after pills:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/october_2012/questions_sex_ed_and_morning_after_pill_september_28_29_2012

See if you can find where they mention that NYC parents can opt out of this program?

godless heathen

October 1st, 2012
1:05 pm

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
12:32 pm

Joe

October 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

Do the phones says “Obama” on them (why are you calling them “Obama” phones”)?

http://obamaphone.net/obama-phone

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 1st, 2012
1:05 pm

“I’m sure this woman would strenuously object”
*******************

You mean like Demi Moore’s character in A Few Good Men?
Lawyer: I object
Judge: Overruled
Lawyer: I strenuously object
Judge: Still overruled

Whatever

October 1st, 2012
1:06 pm

Sorry, but you should have to prove your identity to vote.

scrappy

October 1st, 2012
1:06 pm

If the only way you can win an election is by preventing people who are perfectly legal & eligible from voting – your platform & ideas suck.

GOP – that would be you.

All legal & eligible citizens should be encouraged to vote and particpate, to do otherwise by either party is disgraceful. Too bad the GOP wear it as a badge of honor instead of disgrace.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
1:07 pm

“Sorry, but you should have to prove your identity to vote”

Rest easy…you do.

Goldie

October 1st, 2012
1:07 pm

Pee-ewwwww, the GOP stinks to high heaven these days! :)

TiredOfIt

October 1st, 2012
1:08 pm

If anyone knows fraud, it’s the republicans.

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
1:09 pm

Ahem–it has been written by someone that a pun is the lowest form of humor. Probably true, but nonetheless I will credit you for funny pun.

Whatever

October 1st, 2012
1:09 pm

Dog,

Only in three of the four counties I vote in do they make me prove my identity.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:11 pm

Joe, a national ID card will be a significant privacy issue for many. And would require a government agency to oversee and to make sure they are not falsified or stolen. The cross-checks on the electronic ballot system pose a greater risk to our voting system. I don’t have the answers but voter ID does not appear to address the greater risk.

A somewhat related article: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/05/09/US-Supreme-Court-Justices-might-like-national-ID-card/UPI-66231273391340/

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
1:11 pm

Whatever

October 1st, 2012
1:06 pm
Sorry, but you should have to prove your identity to vote.

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Ok, HOW?

Or do we have to wait til after the elections for specifics?

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:12 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm
Ahem — “You are wrong, but I respect your right to be such.”

No, I’m not, and I welcome your presentation of statistical evidence to the contrary.

I will offer the following and you can search for statistics if you like. The bottom line is, I know what I know and arguing with you will be of little benefit to me; you; or the other dozen folks here.

Undecided about the Incumbent
Why do undecided voters decide in favor of challengers?

But our analysis of 155 polls reveals that, in races that include an incumbent, the traditional answers are wrong. Over 80% of the time, most or all of the undecideds voted for the challenger.

The 155 polls we collected and analyzed were the final polls conducted in each particular race; most were completed within two weeks of election day. They cover both general and primary elections, and Democratic and Republican incumbents.

The polls we studied included our own surveys, polls provided to us directly by CBS, Gallup, Gordon S. Black Corp., Market Opinion Research, Tarrance Associates, and Mason-Dixon Opinion Research, as well as polls that appeared in The Polling Report.

In 127 cases out of 155, most or all of the undecideds went for the challenger:

DISPOSITION OF UNDECIDED VOTERS
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Most to challenger 127
Split equally 9
Most to incumbent 19

It seems that undecided voters are not literally undecided, not straddling the fence unable to make a choice – the traditional interpretation. An early decision to vote for the incumbent is easier because voters know incumbents best. It helps to think of undecided voters as undecided about the incumbent, as voters who question the incumbent’s performance in office. Most or all voters having trouble with this decision appear to end up deciding against the incumbent.

The exceptions we found to the Incumbent Rule help support the theory on why this happens.

Many challengers who did not get a majority of undecideds were recent or current holders of an office equal to the one they were seeking. Voters were equally or more familiar with the challenger’s past performance in a similar office, so the challenger assumed incumbent characteristics. Other exceptions include well-known challengers or short-term incumbents.

http://www.pollingreport.com/incumbent.htm

godless heathen

October 1st, 2012
1:12 pm

Are you trolling me? That’s the same thing! If the Constitution says you can’t restrict voting, it’s protecting the right to vote.

The states can restrict voting, that’s why many don’t allow felons to vote.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
1:14 pm

be ready to shout down Pat Robertson, et al. Even he will calmly observe that a card that’s carried around, as opposed to something embedded subcutaneously, doesn’t fit the description

I think my 12:55 says it all. Never underestimate the nutbaggery ready to spring forth via forwarded e-mails from 0311 types.

Pat hasn’t been the same since he came out of the legalize marijuana closet. I miss the old Pat Robertson who would go bat$#!^ crazy at every possible opportunity.

Boris Badnoff

October 1st, 2012
1:14 pm

Do you have your Messiah phone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

With your Messiah phone you have unlimited minutes on The Messiah’s 12 G network. You can use you Messiah phone to find out where to buy Crack Cocaine with food stamps and to get a personally autographed 8.5 x 12 color photo of Jay Bookman.

Heck I want a few more dozen Messiah phones. This better than winning the lottery.

Whatever

October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm

Granny,

Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
1:18 pm

“Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?”

You already do.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
1:18 pm

KUTGF — “Joe, a national ID card will be a significant privacy issue for many. And would require a government agency to oversee and to make sure they are not falsified or stolen. The cross-checks on the electronic ballot system pose a greater risk to our voting system. I don’t have the answers but voter ID does not appear to address the greater risk.”

FWIW, my ID idea is a thought experiment — I’m trying to approach the problem constructively. Rather than stressing over how/why it won’t work, I’m trying to put effort into finding ways to *make* it work.

Maybe you’d care to join me in the pursuit? :)

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:19 pm

@

BuckeyeInGa

October 1st, 2012
1:01 pm

Well, it sure isn’t the little laminated card a freshman gets from an elder fraternity brother for 20 bucks, bearing the freshman’s name but a stranger’s photograph.

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
1:20 pm

Weds night should be interesting, Obama the lawyer debating Mittens the CEO…

Mittens, as a CEO, has spent gazillions over the years to insulate himself from lawyers and having to actually submit to questions from such. A good lawyer asking questions is a CEO’s worst nightmare.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:20 pm

Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?

Nope, not if you are registered to vote and meet the registration requirements. But if you prove I voted twice then you can prosecute. :D Seems to be working well.

How about you address the real election fraud issues?

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
1:21 pm

Heathen – thanks for the link! Here’s what it says on their FAQ page:

The term “the Obama Phone” has been all around since the day Barack Obama became the president of the United States of America. Many people think that Obama is giving free cellphones to the poor in order to redistribute the wealth of rich people. Since then two groups are mudslinging at each other.

It’s true that government provides free cellphones to the poor and disabled people. But the Obama part is not true as Obama didn’t initiate this program. It’s on the run since the administration of Reagan.”

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:23 pm

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
1:09 pm
Ahem–it has been written by someone that a pun is the lowest form of humor. Probably true, but nonetheless I will credit you for funny pun.

I guess I am confused. Koch rhymes with Coke and I assumed you were a Pepsi man. Surely, you didn’t think it rhymed with…? ;-)

Joseph

October 1st, 2012
1:25 pm

Fast & Furious, Libya cover up, already admitting debate defeat… and Bookman worries about this… LOL…

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:26 pm

It’s true that government provides free cellphones to the poor and disabled people

Not exactly. No taxpayer dollars are used. The services are provided through a non-profit agency funded by a portion of the universal service fees.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

Ahem — “I will offer the following and you can search for statistics if you like.”

In other words, you won’t support your claim. Thought so.

“The bottom line is, I know what I know and arguing with you will be of little benefit to me; you; or the other dozen folks here.”

The bottom line is — quite simply — that your mind’s made up, so you’re going to post conforming data without even looking at its quality or looking at it with a critical eye.

Pollingreport.com didn’t bother to disclose its methodology, it’s sampling technique or why it chose to include its *own* house polls in a population that included polls from CBS, Gallup, MOR and Mason-Dixon. For all you know, PollingReport cherry-picked its data, but you’re ready to swallow it.

Shrug. I didn’t expect anything better from you.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
1:20 pm
Weds night should be interesting, Obama the lawyer debating Mittens the CEO…

Mittens, as a CEO, has spent gazillions over the years to insulate himself from lawyers and having to actually submit to questions from such. A good lawyer asking questions is a CEO’s worst nightmare

But then there is the bright white light, known as the truth and that will make Oblunda squirm. I suspect Willard “Mitt” Romney will pummel Oblunda with some truths about his failed administration and lay it out for the future of our country in a way that will bring the “independents” onboard. Of course the media, and the leftie bloggers will see it 180 degrees different than so many.

indigo

October 1st, 2012
1:29 pm

If you want to rig an election, you don’t engage in any voter fraud. Instead, you rig the vote count.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:29 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

So as anticipated, you have nothing, even less than I posted.

St Simons

October 1st, 2012
1:29 pm

why are cons afraid of high turnout, every ‘merkan participating?

Bookman's Parrot

October 1st, 2012
1:30 pm

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Child, please

October 1st, 2012
1:33 pm

Democratic Party, the party of Minority Voter Suppression for over a Century! (1865-1965+)

Had to fight a Civil War to free more than half the male popluation of the South to vote. Luckily, the vote was granted to women in 1920 without a second war. Thank God for Yankees (and the Repulican Party, the Abolition Party). Go ahead, look up Abolitionists and see how many of them were Southern Dems

Progressives are really much better, since the birth of the movement in the early 1900s they just wanted to breed out the minorities via eugenics programs. Now that’s what I call a big step forward for human rights!

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:33 pm

Joe, I would likely object to the privacy concerns with the national ID…but here’s a thought, didn’t Bush already solve the voter fraud issue in Iraq. When you voted, your finger was inked to be sure you did not vote again. I am sure we can come up with some inks to address the voting 2x issue and it may even encourage some to vote who might not (and cheaper than a I voted sticker) :D

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
1:34 pm

Whatever

October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
Granny,

Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?

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Let me begin by noting that although you want me to answer your question you must be unprepared to answer mine.

That said, your identity is established when you intially register.

Requiring additional identification amounts to a poll tax and based on the data presented over and over and over -that in person voter fraud is very nearly non existant – it would be just plain wasteful and stupid.

If there are no additional requirements for ID for absentee ballots
then ID for in person voting becomes a civil rights issue.

Why one? Why not all?

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

Dang it.. I screwed up. I did not say Blame Bush…… cons are not going to know how to react with their standard canned responses… “Who?” or “Can’t a lib say something good about Bush”. :lol:

Krystal'sBalls

October 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

“The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register.”

This was the same thing that happened at ACORN, which many on the right have worked overtime since to undermine the entire voting because of that boogeyman. Of course in fairness, neither was that in-person voter fraud. Funny how that works. Karma I guess.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:37 pm

the gop is a bunch of angry insecure racist white men who afraid of confident black men…

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
1:38 pm

Why is it only dems are either too stupid or too lazy to get a valid ID? You NEVER hear if at R complaining about this.

And thanks for supporting the need for it with your story about Sproul, jay. That’s exactly why it’s needed.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:39 pm

THE GOP loves theyre negros like HERMAN CAIN…hes a good boy who obeys his racist handlers real well

St Simons

October 1st, 2012
1:39 pm

and 30 mi down the road in the banana republic of Fla, they’re
urging smaller precincts to use churches as polling places (they’re
more convenient, yknow). and whatta you know, the police have
‘volunteered’ to ’secure’ the church/pollingplaces with crime tape
and circle the church with cop cars. No intent there, huh?

They want to control the curriculum in Georgia, and control who votes
in Flow-rida. The cons might think themselves clever,
but from a distance,
they look like sweaty pigs sweatin’ a future that does not include them

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm

rbgwinnet

this didnt become a problem until a black family entered the white house…

getalife

October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm

The gop are a hate group.

Vote them out.

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm

“Why one? Why not all?”

Why won’t any of the defenders of voter id answer that??????

Krystal'sBalls

October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm

@Child, please

And the L.A. Dodgers used to be the BROOKLYN Dodgers. The Atlanta Braves the MILWAUKEE Braves, the Utah Jazz used to be the NEW ORLEANS Jazz… so what’s your point????

I have always thought that little argument to be a shallow and stupid one.

ClydeFrog

October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm

I don’t really think there is a voter fraud problem in this country.

However, I don’t see why it’s a problem to require people to show valid state-issued ID when they vote. Isn’t everyone required to have some kind of state-issued ID? Can’t the police demand that you present ID on request? Maybe that’s not the case but I thought it was. Who doesn’t have some form of ID? How do they cash checks? Get an apartment?

I believe that any state (or federal) issued ID should be adequate though.

Verbal Kint

October 1st, 2012
1:41 pm

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:41 pm

why do christian conservatives hate americans so much?

Moderate Line

October 1st, 2012
1:42 pm

It is interesting to here the complaints by both concerning voting. At the end of the day both sides are trying to shroud self interest in the name of morals. The New Yorker had an interesting article showing that voting rules have always been a contentious issue. The word ballot actually comes from the Italian word for little ball. Believe it or not but people have protested secret ballots and the government producing ballots. The citizens of Kentucky voted viva voce until 1891. according to the New Yorker. The left actually protested government printed ballots even though government printed ballots reduce fraud. The reason for opposing was that government printed ballots made it hard for many people who could not read to vote. Prior to this people would bring their own printed ballot to the polls. Democracy has a long history of both vote fraud and voter suppression. What is interesting though turnout was over 60% up until 1908. We haven’t had an election over 60% since 1968. In 1996 Bill Clinton won less than half the vote with less than half the people turning out.
The greatest problem is neither voter fraud or voter suppression but voter apathy.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_lepore#ixzz284ME5XoR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_electionshttp://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_lepore

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm

My mooching mutt ate my ID card.

Verbal Kint

October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm

These people didn’t even know how they got registered in FLA:

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm

“Isn’t everyone required to have some kind of state-issued ID?:

No

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm

“Can’t the police demand that you present ID on request?”

Your papers, please?

No.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm

Can’t the police demand that you present ID on request?

Not in most states.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm

this ploy by the racist gop wont help because OBAMA will still win…the gop offers nothing but fear and hate no policies to run on …

John

October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm

Where is the right to vote explicitly state in the US constitution?

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
1:45 pm

No evidence of voter fraud…

Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it?

You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other. Duh….

Don't Tread

October 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

“the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification”

Liberals hate the notion of showing ID to vote, but apparently it was ok to require ID if you wanted to go to their convention, or even walk around near it. :roll: What hypocrites.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
1:47 pm

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
1:38 pm
Why is it only dems are either too stupid or too lazy to get a valid ID? You NEVER hear if at R complaining about this.

.
.
.
.
Very simple answer really….

Because like this knucklehead, they think this is in their best interests…

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/pennsylvania_gop_leader_voter_id_will_help_romney.php

However, it actually illustrates the need for some serious reform with in the GOP.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm

“Where is the right to vote explicitly state in the US constitution?”

AMENDMENT XV
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm

Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it?

RB, my recommendation is that you give up your thoughts of a life of crime. First besides violating postal laws with your theft, your license could be noted, you could be caught on cameras going into or out of the voting areas, parking lots or many other places. And tell us, you’re stealing this info to change an election outcome by voting how many times in a single day and you have to conspire with how many others? :lol:

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm

conservatives are still angry about the 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT…thats why theyre trying these JIM CROW tactics to stop people from voting

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm

Ahem — “So as anticipated, you have nothing, even less than I posted.”

(laughing, pointing) :D

You made your claim and you won’t back it up with evidentiary support. So instead of backing yourself up, you demand evidence from me.

So if your standard’s going to be presenting bulldada and then demanding that I prove you wrong, why should I play your game? :roll:

Be a man. Show some honesty and character. Back up your claim or else retract it.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm

why wasnt voter fraud a problem when DUBYA was screwing up the country

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm

Liberals hate the notion of showing ID to vote, but apparently it was ok to require ID if you wanted to go to their convention, or even walk around near it. What hypocrites

Hmmm that must be why the conned did not require ID to vote in their primaries. :lol:

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm

“Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it? ”

Is this being done on a grand scale? If so, for it work, wouldn’t the person attempting to vote illegally have to vote before the “real person” does?

Why are we not hearing about this? It is rampant, right?

St Simons

October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm

Rick ‘Meddycare Fraud’ Scott’s signature program of voter purging
has netted a total of (drum roll) – 6 voters purged out of a ‘list’
of 198 potential, at a cost of $300,000 and rising.

$50,000 per voter – now that’s a typical con ‘good bidness’ move.
That’s about what they’re spending per voter on the teevee commercials,
it seems like.

and Obama the Mammmmba (thwack!) is still gonna win Flow-rida

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
1:51 pm

RB — “You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other.”

Shame you didn’t actually read the thread. Doing so might have saved you from saying this and looking foolish.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:51 pm

why dont the repubs just tell the truth and admit that they hate seeing a black family in the whitehouse? at least be honest about your racism…

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm

Ahem

Is Univision going to shock the world tonight?

Make sure you fill us in

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm

@
Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm

Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”

Simple Truths

October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm

“And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

None. ”

Jay, there was an instance in Maryland of a candidate for state senate who voted in Maryland and Florida in several elections. That doesn’t sound legal. You may want to walk back your “None” stance.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-14/news/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910_1_general-election-voter-fraud-vote-on-local-issues

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:53 pm

conservative christians see muslims, illegal aliens and fraudalent voters behind every tree…

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
1:54 pm

Where is the right to vote explicitly state in the US constitution?

Y’all are so cute when you parrot Neal Boortz. It’s like a little redneck boy getting his first mullet, just like his daddy.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
1:54 pm

hate seeing a black family in the whitehouse?

Without equivocation I can proudly say that I hate seeing THIS black family in the White House.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
1:55 pm

“Jay, there was an instance in Maryland of a candidate for state senate who voted in Maryland and Florida in several elections. That doesn’t sound legal”

Did it alter the election results?

Dead voters, multiple voters, fraudulent voters

October 1st, 2012
1:55 pm

We will show up on election day to vote for the Dems. Just like we always do.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:56 pm

AHEM

U mean ANY BLACK FAMILY…let me guess you were gonna vote for HERMAN CAIN right…lol

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
1:57 pm

“You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other.”

Actually it’s the supporters of voter id that are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Why should you have to show voter id to vote in person but not to vote with an absentee ballot?

What happens if I stop by your house on the way home and steal your absentee ballot and vote with it?

What do you think is going to happen? Is ACORN going to recruit 10,000 people to go around stealing power bills, then wait in line numerous times to register to vote using those names? Then have the same people wait in line to vote 100 times each. RIDICULOUS!

Although they could to vote absentee!!!!

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
1:57 pm

RB

Where are the new stories of all these missing utility bills? Which states is this occurring in the most?

How many documented cases of people going to vote only to find out someone else already voted using their name can you provide?

alittlecommonsense

October 1st, 2012
1:58 pm

In the ‘08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.

The election was particularly important because Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163

Simple Truths

October 1st, 2012
1:58 pm

Doggone – “Did it alter the election results?”

Don’t know. But, it is an attempt to alter the outcome. This counters Jay’s claim. He didn’t indicate “successful attempt” or “wide-scale attempt”

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:59 pm

voter fraud didnt become a problem until a black man became president

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
2:00 pm

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
Ahem

Is Univision going to shock the world tonight?

Make sure you fill us in

¿Está demasiado perezoso para ver que tiene para usted y averiguar? O podría ser que usted no quiere saber? O podría ser que lo que usted pregunta sinceramente porque usted no tiene Univisión?

That is spanish, in case you were confused. :-)

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
2:00 pm

Keep, no cameras at my voting place. Not showing anybody a license. What else yo got?

And tell Al Gore a few votes don’t matter.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm

simple truths

why wasnt voter frraud a problem when DBUA was in office…

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm

“This counters Jay’s claim. He didn’t indicate “successful attempt” or “wide-scale attempt”

Ummm…I suggest you re-read what you quoted: “And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.”

A few fraudulent votes are not a real attempt to alter the results. It would have to be widespread and pervasive to even have a chance to do that.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm

Moderate Line…

Agreed…

GRANNY,

How’s it hanging? What puzzles me is why we should allow people to vote without any verification of identification…if that is indeed what the DEMS are pushing for…I understand they are pushing legislation to confirm ID with signed affidavit..sounds to me like it’s opportunity for massive fraud…especially for DEMS who would benefit greatly…

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm

sheepdawg

October 1st, 2012
2:02 pm

paranoid republicians, their idiocy only works on stupid rednecks

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:02 pm

alittlecommon sense

Wingfield presented that same article awhile back. Asked why that conservative group nor he could definitely say that all those votes were cast for Democrats, he has exactly nothing to say……..

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Make the assertion, be prepared to back it up

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

“What else yo got?”

RB, I sent in a request for an absentee ballot using your name, I’m going to steal it out of your mailbox and vote for Obama!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

Ahem — “Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”

You must mean a *four*-word phrase. (pointing, laughing) :D

And your surrender and concession are both noted and appreciated.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

“What puzzles me is why we should allow people to vote without any verification of identification…if that is indeed what the DEMS are pushing for…”

Rest easy…it isn’t

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

RB

You have any of those missing utility bill stories or just living in hypothetical world today?

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

the pathetic insecure gop is getting desperate…they still mad that OSAMA is dead they wanted the mission to fail so OBAMA could look as pathetic as DUBYA

St Simons

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

Tell me , Jay, if I stop by the Hadron collider on the way home today
and take one atom out of the lab-box, show up at the science fair with it,
how would somebody prove all the atomic research that ever came
before it was a fraud?

see, that am radio stuff sounds real smooth & believable when its a
one-way lecture & there’s no one in the car or trailer there to refute it.

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
2:04 pm

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:59 pm

voter fraud didnt become a problem until a black man became president

Take your racist garbage somewhere else, dude. Your schtic is tired already.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:04 pm

alittlecommonsense — “And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.”

MM’s spurious and dishonest claims have already been debunked on this thread.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:04 pm

“And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud. None.”

I don’t know what quite what you meant by phrasing your assertion the way you have, Jay (did you intend to “write off” actual instances of voter fraud as not “attempts to alter election outcomes”?), but here is just one recent example that I think invalidates your entire column:

In the ‘08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

http://townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2012/08/13/when_1099_felons_vote_in_a_race_won_by_312_ballots/page/full/

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:05 pm

JHM @ 2:03

I saw that, but decided to let it go. Pretty damn funny.

Of course this is the same blogger who actually thinks that Univision is going to be running a “bombshell” news story tonight………..

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

too bad gop but the country is getting a darker hue

Simple Truths

October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

Doggone: “A few fraudulent votes are not a real attempt to alter the results.”

So, fraud is okay as long as it isn’t a real attempt? Help me out here Dog, I’m not following you. It sounds like you say some cheating is okay as long as there isn’t too much. Please provide some clarity.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

GOP-ANTIBLACK etc…

Playing a no-holds barred race card really a simple minded position….

I guess if you were white and voted for obama in 2008 and will not vote for him today you are racists? I heard a guy on America Left the other day say the new word to replace racism is slavery…

How does this sort of BS help matters?

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

RB, you sure there are no cameras? Funny there are traffic cameras, ATM cameras, cameras in parks, and more every day. Most schools, churches and many parking lots have cameras. There are even cameras on some hiking trails. But I am sure if you don’t see them, they don’t exist.

And I gave my low cost suggestion…. ink the finger.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:07 pm

TC

Why doesn’t the article say how those felons voted?

Are we to assume it because it is implied or does the article provide actual proof?

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm

here is just one recent example that I think invalidates your entire column:

You need to be a little faster on the spam trigger.

Like we needed any more proof spammers love to cut ‘n paste, but reading….ah, they can’t be bothered with reading.

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm

rb gwinnet

i know you racists hate being calle out but why wasnt there any voter fraud problem when BUSH was president…now all of a suden its a “big” problem now that a black man is president

alittlecommonsense

October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm

OK, both suck – It obviously can’t be proven who they voted for since we have secret ballet in this country. So we have to look at statistics / probabilities. How about this one?

Academic work by Jeff Manza and Marcus Britton of Northwestern University and Christopher Uggen of the University of Minnesota estimated that Bill Clinton pulled 86 percent of the felon vote in 1992 and a whopping 93 percent in 1996.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/12/john-lott-senator-al-franken-minnesota-felons-democrat/#ixzz284We9bFU

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
Ahem — “Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”

You must mean a *four*-word phrase. (

you boyz are slow. Biden was the operative word. Google “Biden blunders” and then it will make sense (3 letter word=JOBS)

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm

TowNCRIER,

Of course there are only remote examples of folks getting CAUGHT…cops don’t catch all speeders…

Seems the DEMS want to open the floodgates of possilbity of fraud by not requiring any id whatsoever…

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:05 pm
JHM @ 2:03

I saw that, but decided to let it go

Unintentional brilliance on display.

southpaw

October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm

JHM

Ahem described VP Biden saying what has become known as a “Bidenism.” Unless you’re laughing at the joke, not the person, you’re pointing and laughing in the wrong direction.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

“So, fraud is okay as long as it isn’t a real attempt?”

There is NO WAY to make ANY voting system completely fraud proof. It is whether or not the fraud alters the election or not. If there is not enough fraud to alter elections…the cure could very well be more expensive than the disease.

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

DannyX, I agree the absentee process has plenty of holes in it too and don’t have a good solution for it, but that’s no excuse for not implementing a simple solution at the polls.

How much fraud is ok with you libs? What percent?

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

alittle common sense

If you like we can trade alleged and convicted voter fraud and suppression links……….

As for MN, there isn’t any proof, but the article wants YOU to believe it via innuendo and implication.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

Towncrier — “Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes.”

Already debunked. And others have posted this several times before you, despite the debunking.

It’s not evidence, Towncrier. It’s just a meme that’s popular on your side.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:12 pm

“Unintentional brilliance on display.”

At least you acknowledge what you post each day. That is a 1st step of curing you of your stupidity

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:13 pm

Towncrier, the last time you posted those false claims about the Franken election they we shown as debunked in 2010….but you never let a good lie die right?

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=15262

GT

October 1st, 2012
2:13 pm

Martin the Calvinist I think getting into the club with an ID threw the “dude” off, but I will witness that you do not sound like a rich person “dude”.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:14 pm

alittlecommonsense — “OK, both suck – It obviously can’t be proven who they voted for since we have secret ballet in this country. So we have to look at statistics / probabilities. How about this one?”

So are you saying that probabilities should be relied upon to conclude how many valid votes were actually cast? Is that what you’re saying?

Are you the dude who runs UnskewedPolls.com?

St Simons - I can see the Caymans from my house

October 1st, 2012
2:14 pm

I think we have refudiated this ‘voter fraud’ issue.

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
2:15 pm

DannyX, you’re welcome to try, just know ill have a little something for you if I catch you at my mailbox. :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:15 pm

Ahem — “you boyz are slow.”

Anything to distract from your failure to support your assertion, eh? (laughing, pointing) :D

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
2:15 pm

“Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.”

So how is voter ID going to rectify the fact that felons allegedly voted in Minnesota?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:16 pm

“Like we needed any more proof spammers love to cut ‘n paste, but reading….ah, they can’t be bothered with reading.”

Predictable deflection by a liberal. I guess you imagine the actual convictions are as imaginary as the heroine you pretend to be.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
2:16 pm

stevie ray…clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
Moderate Line…

Agreed…

GRANNY,

How’s it hanging? What puzzles me is why we should allow people to vote without any verification of identification…if that is indeed what the DEMS are pushing for…I understand they are pushing legislation to confirm ID with signed affidavit..sounds to me like it’s opportunity for massive fraud…especially for DEMS who would benefit greatly…

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Sounds to me like the collective paranoia of a political party grasping at straws in a vain attempt to appear relevant.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm

southpaw — “Unless you’re laughing at the joke, not the person, you’re pointing and laughing in the wrong direction.”

Oh, no, I assure you I’m pointing and laughing in the right direction. :D

Simple Truths

October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm

Doggone, I’ll +1 your 2:10. The system cannot be made fraud proof.

I still think Jay’s point about “None” is a bridge too far.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
2:18 pm

Can we tatoo bar codes on the dem’s azzes so they can be scanned for their votes?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
2:19 pm

GRANNY,

OK we truly don’t have controls in place today in many areas to actually catch voter fraud..so I’m not surprised not many are caught…question is, how many actually are not caught and would the opportunity/incentive for fraud be increased with no voter id required?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:20 pm

“Towncrier, the last time you posted those false claims about the Franken election they we shown as debunked in 2010….but you never let a good lie die right?”

Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim. I’ll be waiting on your response. While you are at it, please tell us all just how much voter fraud is acceptable to you?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:21 pm

Towncrier — “Predictable deflection by a liberal.”

Predictable indignation by a conservative who’s been caught out.

“I guess you imagine the actual convictions are as imaginary as the heroine you pretend to be.”

Actually, many of those “convictions” ARE imaginary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#Further_investigations

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
2:21 pm

“Can we tatoo bar codes on the dem’s azzes so they can be scanned for their votes?”

Tattoos can be removed

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
2:21 pm

Keep, unless there is a camera checking my face at the table signing in, the rest ain’t gonna help much and there isn’t one at the clubhouse I vote at. Ink the finger is ok with me, but still doesn’t verify who you are.

I think if you call the power company, they can tell you of thousands of lost power bills. How many are legit, who knows, but nobody is tracing them to voter activity.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm

“Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim. I’ll be waiting on your response. While you are at it, please tell us all just how much voter fraud is acceptable to you?”

Were all these votes for Democrats? If so, please provide more than the implication and narrative pushed by the article

I am glad they were caught and convicted. Now on to the proof. You do have it, right?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm

SoCoBro: Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

Well that proves it!!! In the con’s mind, those 10 per 15million is an adequate reason to demand voter id!! Why do you hate America SoCoBro? why do you hate america? (DDR sobbing while stars & stripes plays softly in the background).

Moonbat (hiya Moonbat!): Can we tatoo bar codes on the dem’s azzes so they can be scanned for their votes?

Wouldn’t work — however, we can tattoo all those dem bar codes unto YOUR azz — heard it was big enough to handle it. :mrgreen:

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm

secret ballet?

Bolshoi Ballet or Kirov Ballet.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm

Towncrier — “Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim.”

Because MM made it up.

When it comes to alleged voter fraud, I suggest you not rely too heavily on anything that Hans von Spakovsky has anything to do with.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm

Has anyone verified that the SONS OF CONFEDERATED VETERANS! are eligible to vote?

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

The missing stooge has arrived and now we have heard form all 3.

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
2:25 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
southpaw — “Unless you’re laughing at the joke, not the person, you’re pointing and laughing in the wrong direction.”

Oh, no, I assure you I’m pointing and laughing in the right direction.

And now, there can be no doubt…

Drudge

October 1st, 2012
2:25 pm

Hell Jay, I grew up in Chicago, enough said.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

“I think if you call the power company, they can tell you of thousands of lost power bills. How many are legit, who knows, but nobody is tracing them to voter activity.”

Again, would the person attempting to vote have to vote have to be at the polling place before the individual whose identity was stolen?

Where are all these stories?

You seem to be believing something with actually zero evidence to back it up except that it meets your narrative so it must be so.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

Secret ballet?

Are tutus required attire to go to the polls?

If so, can I purchase a tutu with food stamps at Whole Foods?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

So how is voter ID going to rectify the fact that felons allegedly voted in Minnesota?

I guess that depends on what information is provided on the ID itself and if it is federal rather than state ID.

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

Kam

The SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS voting rights were restored after they swore an oath to not ever to say SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS again

:-)

TaxPayer

October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

What Georgia needs most is a leash law. Republicans should not be allowed to wander about so freely especially with so many reported cases of rabies. You say, “bite me”, to a rabid Republican and it could result in your receiving a series of shots.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
2:27 pm

Predictable deflection by a liberal.

TC, in case you hadn’t noticed, someone posted the exact same crap about six minutes before you did. You might want to talk to your doctor about premature interjection, I think they have pills for that now.

Are you the guy who blows up group discussions at parties? You know, the ones who just walk up and start yakking away about whatever’s on their mind? Yeah, you’re that guy. The one who never listens to a darn thing but by gawd knows everything, because….well he just does. Even though he’s not sharp enough to realize, hey, somebody else just said that. And then wonders why everyone isn’t amazed by his brilliant powers of discernment and insight.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
2:27 pm

RB from Gwinnett

October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm
DannyX, I agree the absentee process has plenty of holes in it too and don’t have a good solution for it, but that’s no excuse for not implementing a simple solution at the polls.

How much fraud is ok with you libs? What percent?

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How about we make it 5%?

It’s an incredibly low defect rate.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:28 pm

… form all 3.

Is that anything like form W-2?
Or form 1099?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:28 pm

Ahem — “And now, there can be no doubt…”

On this point, you are correct. There is no doubt whatsoever that you’ve abandoned the field and conceded the point.

Thank you very much; I enjoyed discussing statistics with you and I hope that we can do it again very soon. :D

Drudge

October 1st, 2012
2:29 pm

Oh and you misspelled Colorado.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:29 pm

Aquagirl

TC is the guy who knows who is a real Jew vs a fake Jew…….

Scrivener

October 1st, 2012
2:29 pm

SBinF, there is NO constitutional right to vote in a presidential election. Here’s a link from a source you should just love:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2688078

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
2:30 pm

Kam

If so, can I purchase a tutu with food stamps at Whole Foods?
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Yep
then you can vote and try out for this LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaDJQui1a2Y

:-)

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
2:30 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
Secret ballet?

Are tutus required attire to go to the polls?

If so, can I purchase a tutu with food stamps at Whole Foods?

Pick up a hat while you’re there. A “00″ may be too big, but they come no smaller, peabrain.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
2:30 pm

tevie ray…clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
GRANNY,

OK we truly don’t have controls in place today in many areas to actually catch voter fraud..so I’m not surprised not many are caught…question is, how many actually are not caught and would the opportunity/incentive for fraud be increased with no voter id required?

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No, the question is –

Do we make it more difficult to vote for millions of Americans because of suspiscions?

that is so NOT the American way.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:31 pm

“Because MM made it up.”

Care to provide proof of your counter claim?

“When it comes to alleged voter fraud, I suggest you not rely too heavily on anything that Hans von Spakovsky has anything to do with.”

Thanks for your opinion. Please provide proof of your first assertion.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm

GOP, TEA PARTY, BOTH FRAUDS

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm

“Wouldn’t work — however, we can tattoo all those dem bar codes unto YOUR azz — heard it was big enough to handle it”

So you have heard that song by my good friend Sir Mix Alot?

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm

“Please provide proof of your first assertion.”

Yes proof that all the votes were for Democrats

Thanks

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm

Towncrier — “Care to provide proof of your counter claim?”

Already did. Read the thread, lazybones.

“Thanks for your opinion. Please provide proof of your first assertion.”

Already did. Please READ it. :roll:

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:33 pm

“TC is the guy who knows who is a real Jew vs a fake Jew…”

Actually, the Torah (or first 5 books of the OT) determines that. Please consult for your edification.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:33 pm

Towncrier, perhaps your problem is your failure to verify the the information to support the 177 voter fraud convictions.

The problem with this assertion—from a new book by The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund and George W. Bush Justice Department attorney Hans von Spakovsky—is that it is not just factually wrong, according to Minnesota Supreme Court records, the Minnesota prosecutor who investigated most of the cases, and some of the country’s top election scholars, but it is intended to rile a segment of the Right that thinks it is patriotic to demonize voting by non-whites and disrupt voting for everyone else.

“They are talking in code to their base,” said Rutgers University’s Lori Minnite, co-author of Keeping Down The Black Vote: Race and the Demobilization of American Voters. “My guess is that von Spakovsky and Fund know exactly what they are doing.”

“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”

“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.”

While we are at it, why don’t you tell us how many thousands or millions of actual citizens you would deny their constitutional right to vote to prevent a single double vote.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:34 pm

A spokesman for The Minnesota Court Information Office, operated by its Supreme Court, Tuesday said there were 14 voter fraud convictions across the state in 2009, 11 in 2010, and 132 in 2011. The Court records did not say when, or in which election—before 2008, during 2008, or after 2008—the illegal registrations or voting occurred.

In contrast, York arrogantly and erroneously states that 1,099 felons voted illegally in 2008, and that 177 have been convicted, while another 66 are awaiting trial. This 1,099 figure is close to the total number of voter fraud complaints that were submitted and investigated, of which the vast majority were found to be baseless, according to the Hennepin County Attorney, whose office handled the majority of these allegations.

Thank you in advance for your apology to the blog, Towncrier. :lol:

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:34 pm

Tell em TC

Call those fake Jews out

hahahahah

:-)

clown

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:35 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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“When tutus are outlawed, only outlaws will have tutus.”
–Thomas Jefferson

Drudge

October 1st, 2012
2:35 pm

Wait wait wait, so we are just going to skim over ACORN, Voter Participation Center, ACLU, NAACP antics entirely? Even the ones captured on film or with prefilled ballots in hand? Sure thing, oh, BTW, how is Holder’s lawsuit against Florida for purging registration rolls in accordance with federal law going? Funny that the Democrats would sue a state for obeying and enforcing the law, but that’s not really the earmark of this administration, is it?

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
2:36 pm

I will be at Whole Foods this week recruiting welfare queens for my big absentee ballot fraud caper. The welfare queens will be driving their BMW’s into Cobb and Gwinnett to steal absentee ballots out of mailboxes, those counties are rich in absentee ballots.

I will then turn the ballots over to the New Black Panthers who will then mark them all for Obama then mail them in.

TaxPayer

October 1st, 2012
2:37 pm

Have Republicans offered up even the first tax cut to fund their faux fraud concerns? How are we to take a Republican seriously if they do not preface their issue with tax cuts to fund it.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:37 pm

DannyX

You notice RB can’t provide any evidence to his “stolen utility bill” TALL TALES?

But in reality he doesn’t care if it is true or not, he believes it so that is all that is required for him

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:39 pm

His office investigated Minnesota Majority’s allegation — specifically that more than 450 felons voted illegally in Hennepin County. As Freeman says, “You can’t just cross-reference a couple of databases and report what the computer spits out. You have to invest shoe leather and verify the results.”

That’s what he did. And only 38 of the 450 allegations turned out to be supported with enough evidence to merit charges — less than 1/100 of 1 percent of the people who voted in Hennepin County.

Let’s be clear about the facts of the 2008 election.

Three different panels spent eight months reviewing and adjudicating the election results — and each ruled unanimously that Al Franken was the winner.

Half of the 12 judges who joined in these unanimous rulings were appointed by Republican governors, and they included Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s law partner, an attorney for Pawlenty’s campaign, an attorney for the Minnesota Republican Party, and even a donor to Sen. Norm Coleman’s previous campaign.

Pawlenty himself signed the election certificate, saying that there was “no actual evidence that there’s been any fraud or problems.” And Coleman’s attorney agreed that “there’s no voter fraud, there’s no election fraud.”

I suppose it is understandable that, after such a close election, some partisans on the losing side would continue to look for ways to discredit the outcome. But Fund’s and von Spakovsky’s book is a conclusion (futilely) searching for evidence.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/171416011.html

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

and von Spakovsky’s book is a conclusion (futilely) searching for evidence.

Spazz-kovsky, more like.

bookman parrot

October 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

typical liberal crybaby stuff. ask to show an identification that you have to show many other places, but the libs cry foul; a made-up foul. a poor oppressed lib foul;

Drudge

October 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

Joe Hussein – yeah Minnesota, where 1100 felons voter for Franken, more than 200 have been convicted for voter fraud since.

Jay, that is 1100 cases of voter fraud in one race – how many is acceptable in your opinion? So ‘there’s smoke there’s fire” only applies when a conservative says something?

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

SBinF, there is NO constitutional right to vote in a presidential election.

Boy, you just couldn’t wait to get that out there, could you? Did anyone specify the right to vote in PRESIDENTIAL elections? Some of us vote on those obscure races like….well, everything else.

God, I can’t wait until Boortz retires and y’all are stuck parroting crap from Herman Cain. Y’all desperately need some new material for your ooh-I-iz-so-smart posts. “The U.S. is not a Democracy, 47% pay no taxes”….blah, blah blah.

It’s all fun and games until Jimmy Carter’s grandson busts presidential candidates repeating your recycled lying memes. Then people with actual working brains realize you’re all blabbing the same source material without thinking about it, and shouldn’t be in charge of anything beyond the VFW Bingo night.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

Drudge — “Joe Hussein – yeah Minnesota, where 1100 felons voter for Franken, more than 200 have been convicted for voter fraud since.”

Sorry, but that’s simply not true. Fund and von Spakovsky made it up.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:46 pm

TBS, well if RB was correct about I think if you call the power company, they can tell you of thousands of lost power bills. How many are legit, who knows, but nobody is tracing them to voter activity, funny how he isn’t crying out about how bad the USPS is or that mailing a bill should not be presumption of its delivery. :lol:

SO now RB claims to have 1000s of fraudulent voters using fake power bills. Funny how many “Jays” are showing up to vote only to be told “Why Jay, you already voted earlier today….see we checked you off”.

Whole Foods needs a new isle for all these fake voters.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
2:48 pm

bookman parrot

October 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
typical liberal crybaby stuff. ask to show an identification that you have to show many other places, but the libs cry foul; a made-up foul. a poor oppressed lib foul;

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typical con scaredy cattiness.

what a bunch of….kittens.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
2:48 pm

Suck it Cons…..4more for 44…

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:48 pm

Funny how many “Jays” are showing up to vote only to be told “Why Jay, you already voted earlier today….see we checked you off”.

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My point exactly, yet he and others actually believe this $hit.

Where are all the stories of this occurring?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
2:49 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:50 pm

B. Parrot — “typical liberal crybaby stuff. ask to show an identification that you have to show many other places, but the libs cry foul; a made-up foul. a poor oppressed lib foul;”

And here’s another one that didn’t bother to read the thread.

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
2:50 pm

TC is the guy who knows who is a real Jew vs a fake Jew……

It is hysterical how our cons constantly open mouth and insert feet.

Methinks, Sludge is jonesing for Kyle.

Don’t go away mad, cons…

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:50 pm

“Towncrier, perhaps your problem is your failure to verify the the information to support the 177 voter fraud convictions.”

No, actually I think the problem lies somewhere else. In principle, not a SINGLE person should vote who is not eligible to do so. If you disagree, then we have a fundamental and irreconcilable point of view. Here is a statement made by in an NYU report (http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/08/16/a-counting-fraud-new-book-by-john-fund-amp-hans/189395):

Legally, there is a vast difference between ineligible voting and fraudulent voting, even though the action could be exactly the same. Intent determines whether the action is fraudulent or not.

To me, this “vast difference between ineligible voting and fraudulent voting” doesn’t much matter since the effect can be the same: people affecting an election by casting votes they shouldn’t BY LAW be casting.

“While we are at it, why don’t you tell us how many thousands or millions of actual citizens you would deny their constitutional right to vote to prevent a single double vote.”

I am on record here as acknowledging that a number of voter ID laws have been imperfectly or even badly written. But that does not mean a person should not be required to identify themselves in as certain a means as possible before voting. Again, if you disagree then we have a fundamental and irreconcilable point of view.

Granny's Grandson

October 1st, 2012
2:51 pm

Granny @11:27 am:

GOP is Anti-American and beyond shameful.

There, corrected your typo.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
2:51 pm

“Where are all the stories of this occurring?”

Did you miss it? They haven’t been caught…so that is PROOF it’s happening! /snarc

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
2:52 pm

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

“Tell em TC. Call those fake Jews out.”

Have you anything intelligent to say, TBS? Or is it more of the same stupid ad hominen attack and deflections you liberals are know for – and YEAH, you are a liberal (despite trying to hide behind a moniker that suggests otherwise).

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
2:55 pm

“Towncrier, perhaps your problem is your failure to verify the the information to support the 177 voter fraud convictions.” No, actually I think the problem lies somewhere else.

Of course you do, punkin. It’s never the fault of the false information lies you start with. :lol:

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

TC

Quit crying. I will hit you with that stupidity anytime I get the notion. There are your words.

If me pointing out your stupidity is seem to you as an attack, so be it. I suggest you lighten up on the stupidity.

Go cure some gays or call out some fake Jews……… you know those things you do

alittlecommonsense

October 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

Joe Hussein Mama & They BOTH suck -

In the main article, Jay is stating that there is no voter fraud “NONE”. I gave one election where there were 166 CONVICTIONS for voter fraud in a razor thin election.

My point – Jay is WRONG AGAIN. Provably so.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

RB: No evidence of voter fraud…

Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it?

You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other. Duh….

You people can’t produce proof to show where somebody’s taken a utility bill and cast a vote using someone else’s identity. I am waiting for any single poster here to produce evidence of such an event. Hell, I’ve even given y’all the information you need to produce a single case, and I bet not a single person here has looked at the information.

Since 2000, there have been 10 cases of in person voter fraud out of 2,068 documented cases of fraud in the election system.

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/

If you go to their database, you can find cases of fraud based on different criteria. If you’re gonna argue for something that happened once out of every 15 million voters that were registered since 2000, you should at least have one verifiable case to point to.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

They are, There are

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Did you miss it? They haven’t been caught…so that is PROOF it’s happening! /snarc

I thought it was “people speed all the time, so this proves voter fraud is common.”

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
2:58 pm

a little comon sense

I am not Jay. Did I post where no voter fraud ever occurred?

Thanks for clarifying that for me

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
2:58 pm

“Already did. Read the thread, lazybones.”

So, without investigating the issue further, at least 38 instances of fraud are stipulated. In case you don’t know, distorting the facts is NOT the same as “making them up” – you know, as in there being some factual basis for an assertion versus none. FYI, I interpret making something up as being an instance of the latter and not the former.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
2:59 pm

Jay is stating that there is no voter fraud “NONE”.

No, he isn’t.

Seriously, can you read? Here’s what it says at the top of the column you’re claiming to debunk:

Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

None.

that is not the same as claiming that in person voting fraud has never ever happened.

You do get what it means to “alter election outcomes,” yes?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:59 pm

alittlecommonsense — “In the main article, Jay is stating that there is no voter fraud “NONE”. I gave one election where there were 166 CONVICTIONS for voter fraud in a razor thin election.

My point – Jay is WRONG AGAIN. Provably so.”

Except that you’re BOTH wrong. Jay’s wrong in saying that it never occurs. And *you’re* wrong with that 166 conviction claim.

Result — the match between you and Jay results in a draw.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:00 pm

“I suggest you lighten up on the stupidity.”

Good advise, genius. If only you would take it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

TC

Quit crying. Take a deep breath. Blow your nose and compose yourself.

Then go call out some fake Jews and cure some gays of their gayness

Skip

October 1st, 2012
3:05 pm

So no election in the history of the United States can be thought of as correct, all could be false? So by the law of averages how many do you cons believe were falsely given to someone? Has to of been a few.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
3:06 pm

GRANNY,

I literally got stuck in an elevator for the past 30 minutes…with a raging bladder that needed emptying:-)

I don’t agree that it is unduely burdensome to require some form of ID and no, I don’t think it is worth it to open a door to real fraud, that will not be detectible, for the sake of addressing the inconvenience of a few voters…I have no idea how many are so inconvenienced by proving who they are and would love to find a creditable source..can you tell me how many voters are missing out on the opportunity to vote as a result?

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

Kam

nunchuck You LMAO

:-)

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

Towncrier — “So, without investigating the issue further, at least 38 instances of fraud are stipulated.”

Denied. Charges were filed in only 38 cases. I’m sure you know the difference between being charged and actually being convicted. :roll:

“In case you don’t know, distorting the facts is NOT the same as “making them up” – you know, as in there being some factual basis for an assertion versus none.”

If you persist, I’m going to start calling you Hairsplitter and not Towncrier. In case *you* don’t know, conviction = conviction. NOWHERE in all this brouhaha are there anywhere close to 243 people either convicted or awaiting trial, as YOU YOURSELF claimed. So you and your indignance can just dunk your heads and cool off. :roll:

“FYI, I interpret making something up as being an instance of the latter and not the former.”

FYI, if you don’t actually HAVE 243 people convicted of or awaiting trial on voter fraud, then you don’t actually have 243 people convicted of or awaiting trial on voter fraud — ergo, it’s been made up.

For your next trick, please tell us what the meaning of the word “is” is.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.

Well, if Minnesota had that many cases filed or awaiting charges, they did not provide any proof to News 21 when they were researching voter fraud. According to their database on voter fraud:

Minnesota has 10 cases of alleged election fraud since 2000. By category, Voter had the highest percentage of accused at 100 percent (10 cases). The most prevalent fraud was Felon Casting Ineligible Vote at 80 percent (8 cases). The status of most cases was Unknown at 70 percent (7 cases). Responses to requests for public records varied from state to state. Some state and local officials were quick to respond by sending available records; others failed to provide a single document.

http://votingrights.news21.com/interactive/election-fraud-database/

They have records showing 8 cases of felons voting illegally.

godless heathen

October 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

What would be any other reason?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

AQUAGIRL,

The argument is that you seem to be suggesting that because so few have been caught, that no more fraud exists and that we catch every single one…like i said, cops can’t catch all the speeders cuz they can’t be everywhere at once..

Bookman's Parrot

October 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

Do I have to pay my taxes if the Mayan calendar is correct?

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
3:10 pm

Towncrier: So, without investigating the issue further, at least 38 instances of fraud are stipulated. In case you don’t know, distorting the facts is NOT the same as “making them up” – you know, as in there being some factual basis for an assertion versus none. FYI, I interpret making something up as being an instance of the latter and not the former.

Ahh… so its not a lie to say there were 177 convictions when there were only 38….. Is there a “margin of error” in lies now? When you are corrected and then restate the same false claim with actual knowledge of its falsity, that is not a lie?

As for your failure to investigate the issue after false not investigating, that does surprise me. An ostrich approach. Perhaps if you looked at the 38 convictions you might find out that absolutely NONE of them were for voting twice (the only issue addressed by voter ID)

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

BRO,

What evidence do we have that suggests we catch even a fraction of fraud…my concern is that with no id required, the opportunity for fraud will skyrocket….is that a good price to pay? Common sense is not with the DEMS on this issue..perhaps I misunderstand and they want some sort of id to register…??

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
3:13 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
3:14 pm

Do I have to pay my taxes if the Mayan calendar is correct?

Render to Mayans the things that are Mayan’s.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

DDR @ 2:22

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I’m hatin’ on ‘Murica cause ‘Murica be hatin’ on me….

—————

Kam @ 3:01

Very funny!!!! That one’s bookmarked for future chuckles. Thanks.

Misty Fyed

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

Of course black panthers armed with baseball bats at the doors doesn’t really count as fraud per se.

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

“my concern is that with no id required, the opportunity for fraud will skyrocket”

Stevie – I missed the post suggesting we REDUCE the amount of identification currently required – can you enlightne me?

Thanks.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

K’Chak — “Render to Mayans the things that are Mayan’s.”

What’s urine is urine and what’s Mayan is Mayan.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

stevie ray…clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
GRANNY,

I literally got stuck in an elevator for the past 30 minutes…with a raging bladder that needed emptying:-)

I don’t agree that it is unduely burdensome to require some form of ID and no, I don’t think it is worth it to open a door to real fraud, that will not be detectible, for the sake of addressing the inconvenience of a few voters…I have no idea how many are so inconvenienced by proving who they are and would love to find a creditable source..can you tell me how many voters are missing out on the opportunity to vote as a result?

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For a man so interested in the topic, I am surprised that you haven’t
googled the readily available estimates.

Are you asking me to do that for you?

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
3:17 pm

my concern is that with no id required, the opportunity for fraud will skyrocket….

You know, like it has done in all the years past. :roll: And because so many people can stand in voting lines all day and vote repeatedly. :roll:

As Jay has indicated, think then post. Perhaps for the conned posters like stevie, it should be think, think some more, think again, think…..more….., and if you still have to post, expect laughs. :lol:

Oscar

October 1st, 2012
3:17 pm

Do I have to pay my taxes if the Mayan calendar is correct?

———–

Don’t pay taxes, bills or do Christmas shopping until after December 22. No need to waste energy unnecessarily.

That Black Guy

October 1st, 2012
3:17 pm

the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD

October 1st, 2012
1:41 pm
why do christian conservatives hate americans so much?
____________________________________________
They don’t hate ALL Americans.

Just YOU.

Bigot.

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

I don’t think the problem is with ID’s.

I think the main problem seems to stem with the TIMING of the right screaming voter fraud right before the election.

If ID’s are required fine take the time to have the states fund a plan to issue state ID’s to EVERY resident in the state without that person being required to stand in line for hours to get it.

Show up at the colleges, retirement homes, senior citizens centers and all throughout the communities to register the voters and issue IDs.

Short of that it seems to show a tendancy to want to suppress the votes in Ga and potential other red states.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

Misty Fyed

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm
Of course black panthers armed with baseball bats at the doors doesn’t really count as fraud per se.

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Do all 6 of them make you a’scared? Or only on in particular?

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

MISTY, AVERT YOUR EYES!

As part of their master plan for the Negrofication of America, these black students would make white America guilt-elect a secret Kenyan Muslim as President who would then appoint Holder as the new Attorney General, giving him the power to just blow the whole intimidation thing off. Also, back at Columbia? Holder maybe had guns or was armed with a spear or something. I think nunchucks were kind of popular around then. Yes. Yes they were. We’ll say that Holder had nunchucks; he was ‘nunchuked up’ as was the custom of the time.

Alan Keyes and Herman Cain are not amused…

Oscar

October 1st, 2012
3:21 pm

I can recall the election in which 226 people voted in alphabetical order signing in using the same pen and handwriting in 1948 that put Herman Talmadge in as governor. Interesting fact is all those people turned out to have been dead at the time.
No voter fraud there.

Also, Jimmy Carter proved voter fraud and had the election results overturned when he first ran for state rep. Started his career by proving voter fraud.
Probably a bad court decision because voter fraud does not exist.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm

What evidence do we have that suggests we catch even a fraction of fraud…my concern is that with no id required, the opportunity for fraud will skyrocket….is that a good price to pay?

Well, the easiest way to remedy that situation is to stop 3rd party voter registration and make the government be the only registrator. The government can verify identity through verification processes at the point of registration and ensure the person has a photo ID issued then. The person only has to show that ID when voting afterwards. As to people who are currently registered, either grandfather them in or issue ID’s at polling places until everybody’s in possession of an ID.

As it states now, the only concrete evidence I’ve seen anywhere in relation to in person ID voting is the 10 cases found by the group that researched it. I’ve posted several links to their information. I’d suggest you take a read. The whole fraud thing has been blown up way out of proportion. People are preying on unfounded fears and stoking things when there should not be this much ado about it.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm

I’m as worried about this goofy crap as I am the idiot Democrats who STILL claim Bush “stole” the election in Florida through voter fraud.

I see an increase in the aluminum beanie squad………..

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm

ROBME/ AYN ARE FRAUDS

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

People are preying on unfounded fears and stoking things when there should not be this much ado about it.

Naw. Republicans and talk radio hosts would NEVER do that………

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

Fred, W did steal the election twice and you are an idiot.

Oscar

October 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

I’m as worried about this goofy crap as I am the idiot Democrats who STILL claim Bush “stole” the election in Florida through voter fraud.

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Don’t remember any allegations of fraud in that case. Just stupidity. The butterfly ballot resulted in many people, enough to change Florida from Gore to Bush.
Exit polls clearly showed those people thought they were voting for Gore.
On such things elections turn.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

The argument is that you seem to be suggesting that because so few have been caught, that no more fraud exists

I tend to prefer evidence, yes. There are certainly crimes that are under-reported (like speeding) but you can go sit next to 285 and observe speeders. Or try driving 55 MPH and watch grandmas blow your doors off.
You don’t have to rely on mumbled crap circulated by people with questionable reading comprehension and a loose approach to critical thinking.

The whole Minnesota Votergate has been picked apart here, yet it’s still circulated as “proof” voter fraud changed an election. The fact people are still pimping this sort of drivel makes me skeptical of their claims. They don’t seem to know good info from bad. They never read something and think “is that really true?” They have no B.S detectors whatsoever if it fits their worldview, it’s truth.

I’ve said before I used to be a Republican and then somebody sucked all the IQ out and left a bunch of Bachmann like loons. Everyone screws up, makes mistakes, and so forth. But Republicans don’t seem the least bit embarrassed when they say or do dumb stuff. Nobody cares. They accept dumb, careless, and mindless behavior as the norm. I don’t.

I make absolutely no apologies for that, and if you (the conservative world you, not you personally) were ranting about unarmed embassy guards a couple of weeks ago, don’t be surprised when I don’t accept paranoid assertions about voter fraud without evidence.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

Misty Fyed

October 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

Of course black panthers armed with baseball bats at the doors doesn’t really count as fraud per se.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

What kind of freaking idiot brings a baseball bat to a gun fight?

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

Bush’s Fault, ifyou are referring to the election fraud committed by Mitt when he claimed to be living in his son’s unfinished basement or when he amended his tax returns to “unclaim” UT as his state of residency, it’s simple. IOKIFYAR. No need for concern there. :lol:

Oscar

October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

What’s wrong with requiring proof that people are alive and who they say they are when they vote. Mystery to me anyone is complaining.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Stevie Ray

I read Samuelson’s piece last night when it was posted. What he said was true, and neither candidate will tell the complete truth. No politician will ever tell the complete truth either because I honestly don’t think the majority of the voting public wants to hear the truth. Otherwise they wouldn’t consistently reward lying with cushy government offices and titles. We live in a country where we think we can enjoy everything we have and not pay for it. What else would you expect from politicians who govern such a country?

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Exit polls clearly showed those people thought they were voting for Gore.

No they didn’t. Yet the FIRST thing they did in that case was disenfranchise every soldier serving over seas who had Florida listed as their home of residense. They tossed out every one of their votes.

That “I THOUGHT I voted for Gore” BS is just that, BS. if you are too stupid to know who you voted for then you clearly DIDN’T think and are incapable of thought. Gore lost. Get over it.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

GOP trying to SUPPRESS VOTING is the problem

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

ITS ALL BUSH’S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

Fred, W did steal the election twice and you are an idiot.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It’s a good thing I know you are nothing but a poor attempt at satire………..

That Black Guy

October 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
Ahem — “Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”

You must mean a *four*-word phrase. (pointing, laughing)
_______________________________________________
I think it was a play on Bidens gaff:

“Look, John’s last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S,” the Democratic veep nominee said at a morning rally in Athens.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
3:32 pm

democrats are not capable of cheating…

It’s not cheating if YOU think it is ok (ala George Costanza and Bill Clinton)

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:32 pm

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:30 pm
ITS ALL BUSH’S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

Fred, W did steal the election twice and you are an idiot.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

Thanks Freddy…lol

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

“The argument is that you seem to be suggesting that because so few have been caught, that no more fraud exists”

Well, we know Al Capone never committed or conspired to murder because he was never convicted of this. And we know that people who will lie, steal, commit adultery and commit a host of other wrongs would NEVER vote when they shouldn’t. That would be…UNTHINKABLE!!!

Thomas

October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

cross hairs, vitriol, hope, change, need more time,….

is the light at the end of the tunnel a soothing light or is it a freight train heading our way?- only time will tell. until then- enjoy yourselves.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

Here it is…George Costanza was a liberal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvNS7JfcMM

Williebkind

October 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

If you want to define voter fraud, then look at the biased networks ABC, CBS, NBC, and of course the biggest of them all CNN. These are the reasons for voter fraud. If you provide false information v over and over again some will start believing it. These networks are biggest voter frauds ever.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

Kam – your ABM post – too funny!

Seen on blog:

Thus Tucker Carlson’s constant efforts to portray Holder as a repressive authoritarian are vindicated by his uncovering of evidence of Holder’s anti-authoritarian activity in college. Well-played, Tucker, well-played.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

Kinda off topic, but I was reading the transcript from Rep. Ryan’s interview on Fox this weekend, and I have a question as to something he stated on tv.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/2012/09/30/exclusive-paul-ryan-plays-latest-poll-numbers-exudes-confidence-ahead-debates?page=4

WALLACE: OK, but let’s assume it doesn’t. The question is, what’s more important to Romney? Would he scale back on the 20 percent tax cut for the wealthy? Would he scale back and say, OK, you know, we’re going to have to raise taxes for the middle class?

I guess the question is what’s most important to him in his tax reform plan?

RYAN: Keeping tax rates down. By lowering tax rates, people keep more of the next dollar that they earn. That matters. That is incentives. That’s pro-growth policy. That creates 7 million jobs. And what should go first…

WALLACE: So that’s more important than…

RYAN: That’s more important than anything. And more importantly, it’s not what deductions are in the tax code but it’s who gets them. And don’t forget that the higher-income people have a disproportionate amount of the loopholes that they use. So when you close a tax write-off or a tax shelter for a higher-income person, more of their income is subject to taxation so you can lower tax rates.

That’s where we begin. So where we go is by denying those deductions and loopholes to higher-income people, which allows us to lower tax rates for everybody across the board and still afford important preferences for the middle-class taxpayers.

So, if it’s more important than anything else to ensure that people keep more of their money, why is all the animosity being generated towards the 47% group? Isn’t that exactly what Rep. Ryan said was pro-growth policy, people keeping more of their money?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

“Ahh… so its not a lie to say there were 177 convictions when there were only 38….. Is there a “margin of error” in lies now? When you are corrected and then restate the same false claim with actual knowledge of its falsity, that is not a lie?”

Where did I say that? Re-read my posts: I am in principle against a SINGLE person voting who shouldn’t. I don’t care if there have been 38 convictions or 10,000. One is too many.

“Perhaps if you looked at the 38 convictions you might find out that absolutely NONE of them were for voting twice (the only issue addressed by voter ID).”

Voting twice is the “only issue addressed by voter ID”? Please explain that. Check out this investigative report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

Will He B Kind? Heck Will He Be Quiet!

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:41 pm

“Since 2000, there have been 10 cases of in person voter fraud out of 2,068 documented cases of fraud in the election system.”

From the MinnPost:

Minnite says prosecutions are rare. “You have to be able to show that people knew what they were doing and they knew it was wrong and they did it anyway,” she said. “It may be in the end they [prosecutors] can’t really show that the people who have cast technically illegal ballots did it on purpose.”

=http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2012/08/cases-voter-id-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

Here is some disturbing information about registered voters in just ONE state:

State officials recently sent supervisors a list of more than 2,600 registered voters who, though legal Floridians, are ineligible to vote, The Associated Press reported. But that number pales in comparison to the possibly 182,000 non-U.S. citizens that officials are asking the state’s 67 county election offices to investigate and, in confirmed cases, remove from voter rolls.

Empowered by an election law passed by the GOP-controlled Legislature last year, officials also compared the rolls to federal Social Security files and reportedly identified more than 53,000 dead people still registered to vote, which officials also want deleted from voter rolls.

=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76443.html

These are the ones that are identified. How many may not be identified? The biggest problem is obviously non-U.S. citizens voting. Check out this investigative report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0

If what they found is true, then my case is made.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
3:41 pm

Towncrier — “Well, we know Al Capone never committed or conspired to murder because he was never convicted of this. And we know that people who will lie, steal, commit adultery and commit a host of other wrongs would NEVER vote when they shouldn’t. That would be…UNTHINKABLE!!!”

Well, there’s a big difference between the crimes you can prove in court and get convictions for and the crimes you simply imagine were committed and which eat at your peace of mind and irritate you.

If it can be proven, then try it in court and get the conviction.

If it can’t be proven, far better to make your peace with it and try to be more vigilant in the future.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

“If what they found is true, then my case is made.”

“If, ifs and buts were candy and nuts……………….”

Forget the “ifs”, do you have definitive information or more implication and innuendo?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

How many of you are willing to provide a DNA sample for a National ID?

Well, I’m dead set against that. There’s a guy doing life in prison right now because of DNA. Turns out there was a burglary back in 1970 in San Diego and somebody in a house got killed. Somebody thought to keep a sample of the DNA of everybody at the house including the victim. Later the technology got to the point that they could develop a DNA database. Anyhow, this nice middle class White guy had set up a nice life for hisself after he got out of the Navy where he was serving in San Diego and he had been DNA tested. When they run the test on the San Diego DNA in the 2000s it turned out to be his. He was arrested and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Did I mention somebody got killed in the burglary?

Anyhow, how many of you can say you never done anything where you could be arrested if they caught you? Well, that’s what giving a DNA sample would do. With the drug and alcohol problems some of you have it’s hard to tell what stunts you pulled that you don’t recall.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

Williebkind

October 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

If you want to define voter fraud, then look at the biased networks ABC, CBS, NBC, and of course the biggest of them all CNN. These are the reasons for voter fraud. If you provide false information v over and over again some will start believing it. These networks are biggest voter frauds ever.
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And Faux News is a peach………..

Just damn you would think I would be used to the stupidity and hypocrisy of folks by now………

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

Ooooh, maybe we can use Jay’s patented mathematical process to solve this:

One of them moochers committing voter fraud by actually voting under several names votes when the polls open at 7 am by waiting in line, then goes to the end of the line to wait several hours to vote again (after spending time getting a legitimate name on that voting registration roll and being sure that that person has not already voted and traveling to a new voting station at an average speed of 25 miles per hour), how many times can one person vote in a 12 hour day. Now remember that a male will not be able to vote, in most cases, as a female (but factor in disguises) and the number of McDonald’s customers served.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
3:45 pm

don’t be surprised when I don’t accept paranoid assertions about voter fraud without evidence.

AquaGirl – Why do you hate ‘Merika?

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

I tend to agree with the “uncaught element” argument.

Just because we have only caught several dozen high ranking Republicans in sex scandals does not mean that there are not thousands more…

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
3:47 pm

Well, we know Al Capone never committed or conspired to murder because he was never convicted of this.

PSA for cons: please update your meme from “people speed, therefore voter fraud is a problem” to “Al Capone murdered people, therefore voter fraud is a problem.”

Next up: Hillary Clinton has never been convicted of murder, therefore the moon landings were faked.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
3:49 pm

Towncrier

Did you click on the link? That group did extensive research on voter fraud, and not just in person fraud. They tried to account for every case of voter fraud that had been filed since 2000. They admit that not places responded to their requests. They even have a database where you can search to find things.

As to the registration stuff, that does not bother me at all, unlike you. You forget that, at one time, people used to get registered to vote when they got a driver’s license under the Motor Voter Law. Somebody registering to vote who’s ineligible to vote has no effect at all on any election anywhere. Only when a vote is cast is there potential for effect. As I said earlier, stirring up more emotion than is completely necessary.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:49 pm

“Denied. Charges were filed in only 38 cases. I’m sure you know the difference between being charged and actually being convicted.”

LOL. Yeah…and given that fraud is very hard to prove, I am sure these 38 cases are all frivolous and not likely valid, huh?

“If you persist, I’m going to start calling you Hairsplitter and not Towncrier. In case *you* don’t know, conviction = conviction. NOWHERE in all this brouhaha are there anywhere close to 243 people either convicted or awaiting trial, as YOU YOURSELF claimed. So you and your indignance can just dunk your heads and cool off.”

Doesn’t matter if the numbers I QUOTED are inaccurate. Jay said there was NO evidence of fraud. Even one conviction would invalidate that universal claim.

“For your next trick, please tell us what the meaning of the word “is” is.”

I think you would be better at that, given that you are a liberal like Clinton.

Thomas

October 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

Audi has announced that it has settled on San José Chiapa, Mexico for its newest production facility in North America.

Should we start breaking across the border to Mexico for jobs?

Commonscents

October 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

I don’t know Jay. Republicans may have shot themselves in the foot with this. Whites are still the majority in our country. Older rural whites tend to be low-income and are the base of the republican party. This is in contrast to a large diversity of democratic voters that vary amoung young, old, urban, white, minority, rich, poor, etc. If rural whites have difficulty getting registered, they just cut out at least 40% of their voters.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

“As to the registration stuff, that does not bother me at all, unlike you.”

It should, since if the investigative report I linked to is accurate, non-US citizens are voting. That is alright by you?

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

“Empowered by an election law passed by the GOP-controlled Legislature last year, officials also compared the rolls to federal Social Security files and reportedly identified more than 53,000 dead people still registered to vote, which officials also want deleted from voter rolls”

This shows the ineffiency of the bureaucracy. It shows nothing to do with fraud. Also, I’m curious about to whom “reportedly” refers…

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
3:52 pm

“Here it is…George Costanza was a liberal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvNS7JfcMM

And Honey Boo Boo’s family undoubtedly votes wingnut…

Adam

October 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

“The opposition in this year has already imported into this campaign a very interesting thing, because it is foreign. They have imported the propaganda technique invented by the dictators abroad. Remember, a number of years ago, there was a book, Mein Kampf, written by Hitler himself. The technique was all set out in Hitler’s book – and it was copied by the aggressors of Italy and Japan. According to that technique, you should never use a small falsehood; always a big one, for its very fantastic nature would make it more credible – if only you keep repeating it over and over and over again.”
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, September 23, 1944

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
3:54 pm

“PSA for cons: please update your meme from “people speed, therefore voter fraud is a problem” to “Al Capone murdered people, therefore voter fraud is a problem.”

Liberal lemming alert: deflection detected.

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
3:54 pm

“Should we start breaking across the border to Mexico for jobs?”

Go for it, Thomas.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
3:54 pm

Who is this Honey Boo Boo the liberals are so fond of?

They seem to be obsessed with this Boo Boo…

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm

Jay said there was NO evidence of fraud.

Let’s play a drinking game: everyone drink when Towncrier fails another reading comprehension test.

Anyone up for alcohol poisoning today?

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm

TC went from “if what they found is true” to

“It should, since if the investigative report I linked to is accurate, non-US citizens are voting.”

What information did you come up with between those posts to go from “if” to “is accurate”?

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
3:57 pm

“They seem to be obsessed with this Boo Boo…”

Honey Boo Boo is a “reality” show on TLC depicting an average south GA GOP family and the foibles of their everyday lives… It’s a good snapshot of your average everyday wingnut family.

Michael G.

October 1st, 2012
3:57 pm

Jay,

I guess you do not even read your own paper. If you did, then you would know that on Sept. 3, 2012 Monday, Sept. 3, 2012 an article ran titled, “Despite voter ID law, minority turnout up in Georgia.”

“Elections data reviewed by the AJC show that participation among black voters rose by 44 percent from 2006 — before the law was implemented — to 2010. For Hispanics, the increase for the same period was 67 percent. Turnout among whites rose 12 percent.

It was expected that African American turnout would spike in 2008, when Barack Obama became the first person of color to win the presidency. And it did rise to historic highs in Georgia.

Black participation fell in 2010, as it did for all demographic groups. Still, a far greater share of black voters turned out in 2010 than in 2006, showing that Obama was not the only factor driving turnout.”

So, Jay, you simply are not telling the truth when you make the erroneous claim that voters are being suppressed. Nice try.

alittlecommonsense

October 1st, 2012
3:58 pm

It is rather silly to think that with millions of people motivated to see thier side win, that no one would cheat. Just do it on the honor system right?

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
3:59 pm

Off topic: A little something for those Simpson-Bowels fetishists among us (and for those of us who love to bait and entrap them)–

[D]espite the bizarre reverence it inspires in Beltway insiders — the same people, by the way, who assured us that Paul Ryan was a brave truth-teller — the fact is that Simpson-Bowles is a really bad plan, one that would undermine some key pieces of our safety net. And if a re-elected president were to endorse it, he would be betraying the trust of the voters who returned him to office.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

“TC went from “if what they found is true” to “It should, since if the investigative report I linked to is accurate, non-US citizens are voting.” What information did you come up with between those posts to go from “if” to “is accurate”?

Wow…you lost me there, bud. Besides this deflection, have you any response to the report I linked to itself????? HUH?????

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

Towncrier — “LOL. Yeah…and given that fraud is very hard to prove, I am sure these 38 cases are all frivolous and not likely valid, huh?”

I like when you get all pizzy and indignant; it’s generally a sign that your argument has gone down the tubes. :)

Oh, BTW, mindreading fail. Considering that earlier in the thread you had been swearing up and down that there were 243 convictions and indictments for voter fraud in the 2008 MN election, your pathetic attempt to cast the 38 *actual* cases (in which charges were filed) into question is noted and rejected. Just come down off your high horse and discuss the matter like an adult, Towncier.

“Doesn’t matter if the numbers I QUOTED are inaccurate.”

Actually, it does.

“Jay said there was NO evidence of fraud. Even one conviction would invalidate that universal claim.”

One, I’m not Jay. Two, your claim has already been debunked (see earlier this page). Three, if you’re going to attack someone else’ alleged inaccuracy, you’ve got no special exemption from being called out on inaccuracies of your own.

“I think you would be better at that, given that you are a liberal like Clinton.”

I’ve told you several times that I never voted for Clinton. Please pay closer attention to detail.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

Honey Boo Boo is a “reality” show on TLC depicting an average south GA GOP family and the foibles of their everyday lives…

Does it have a trailer and dogs living under the porch and everything like that?

Gee, I might need to switch from Fox News to take a gander at this TLC. About time they started making shows about everyday people.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

“It is rather silly to think that with millions of people motivated to see thier side win, that no one would cheat”

Since no one has stated that…what’s your point?

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

“Honey Boo Boo is a “reality” show on TLC depicting an average south GA GOP family and the foibles of their everyday lives… It’s a good snapshot of your average everyday wingnut family.”

Thanks for the info, RWT. So that’s what gets you hipsters off these days?

I guess I better go get some skinny jeans and fake glasses so I can be cool too…

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

How did I lose you. Are you not able to follow your own words?

You went from “if” to “is accurate”.

What information did you uncover that would make you change from basically an assertion to what appears to be a definitive statement?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

Towncrier — “Liberal lemming alert: deflection detected.”

Deflection Source: Conservative Posters

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:04 pm

“Gee, I might need to switch from Fox News to take a gander at this TLC. About time they started making shows about everyday people.”

RC, only the cool kids watch that show.

Go get you some skinny jeans and fake glasses before you even try to watch such a show.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
4:04 pm

I have posted this bit of evidence twice already and there is nothing but silence from the liberals here. Anyone care to address what the report uncovers???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0

If what they found is true, then my case is made.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
4:05 pm

How did I lose you. Are you not able to follow your own words?

I think we’ve identified TC’s problem.

Bookman's Parrot

October 1st, 2012
4:05 pm

National ID: bipolar.

Or is that ego?

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
4:06 pm

Towncrier: It should, since if the investigative report I linked to is accurate, non-US citizens are voting. That is alright by you?

You’re sticking hard to that word “if” while your context gives one the impression that you wholeheartedly believe those reports. I can’t and won’t try to change your opinion on this. I can only form my opinion based on what I know.

Until recently, it was not illegal for non-citizens to register to vote. Immigration law made it illegal for permanent residents to vote in federal elections. That same law left it up to state and local governments to decide how they would address that issue. Therefore, for a while it was legal in some areas for non-citizens to register and even cast votes in local and/or state elections.

Your report addressed the Motor Voter Law that was passed in 1992. At that time, the immigration law I spoke of was still in effect. I don’t think it was changed until the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended in 1996. At that point, it became illegal for non-citizens to cast votes in ANY elections. Any non-citizen casting votes beyond that point would be charged and prosecuted in Federal court and could end up losing their green card.

Here’s US CIS (Citizenship and Immigration) link to information given to residents about voting rights.

http://tinyurl.com/236gq64

The reason I am not bothered about this as much as others is because I have faith in those who investigate and prosecute those who break the laws. I have a working knowledge of what can be found out by those who do the investigating.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
4:06 pm

“I think we’ve identified TC’s problem.”

Besides this deflection, have you any response to the report I linked to itself????? HUH?????

pogo

October 1st, 2012
4:07 pm

Welcome to Obamaworld. I stopped at a store today and a lady before me bought 6 scratch off lottery tickets. I had to wait and wait because she couldn’t remember her pin. Finally she remembered and so she paid for them with a card. After she left the owner told me that the government gives those cards to people trying to help them and they go and buy lottery tickets. I asked what he meant. He said that they receive a cash card wherein they can buy anything they want at a place of business they want. Beer. Cigarettes. Lottery tickets. Anything. Is this what you libs want for this country? Yes, in your continuing support of Obama apparently it is. This country has become a country of parasites. And the “host” is terminal.

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
4:07 pm

We have a lot of slogans being tossed back and forth here. There seems to be an ignorance of the fact that there has been a plethora of studies about voter participation over the years. All of them conclude that for each incremental requirement you place between the citizen and the ballot box, you increase the number of citizens who do not vote. Before the late 19th century there was no voter registration. People just showed up and voted subject to being challenged by their neighbors. The country was smaller, voting precincts were smaller, and people knew each other. It worked pretty well. Then big city political machines developed along with election fraud. Voter registration was supposed to be the salvation. But even when properly implemented, the maximum turnout of persons who are eligible to vote is reduced to about 60%; about 85% of those registered, vote. It seems to have eliminated much fraud in the Tammany Hall big boss setting but post-Reconstruction racists in the South seized upon it as a vehicle to disenfranchise blacks. And they were creative until almost all Southern blacks were disenfranchised. Then the Voting Rights Act came in and most of the hanky-panky re voter registration was eliminated. Since then registration has worked basically as intended, it was the procedure far before the election when prospective voters had to produce proof they were eligible and most states had laws allowing their eligibility to be challenged well before election day. What is being done now with voter ID is basically replicating what is supposed to be done at registration but with no time really available to challenge abuse of the voter ID process. It has a severe chilling effect on people who have already jumped through the registration hoop process but are unlikely to have the new forms of ID at the polling place. Many will never even show up, not wanting to waste their time in line or be embarrassed. Others will leave their place in lines slowed because of abusive challenges by poll-watchers for the Republicans. Their leaders have read the studies which show the exact percentage of voter suppression of Democratic leaning voters that can be anticipated. This displays a severe disrespect for democracy and is in fact often criminal behavior under existing laws. But nothing will really happen to halt our slide into a right-wing big money oligarchy until those are vigorously enforced. And by that I mean not just against Joe Schmoe who has been hired to be the precinct level perpetrator of the crimes, but the big-shots orchestrating the whole thing, like Reince Preibus, the Koch brothers, Karl Rove and others like them. Maybe a little time in the slammer will make them think twice about their unrelenting attacks on our democracy.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
4:10 pm

“If what they found is true, then my case is made.”

Now you are back to if. Started with “if” then on to “is accurate” then back to “if”……………… hmmmmmmmmm

As for the video, it is your link, you tell me if the allegations were proven or not.

Guess after posting that other bs, you are a little gun shy. Who wouldn’t be? :-)

As for voter fraud and suppression, I have never said it didn’t occur. Based on actual convictions that I have found and not some website that trumps up numbers to fool people as yourself, I can’t tell you which party is worse. Nor can you say it definitely either.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
4:11 pm

You know it is a good American show when they have to use subtitles to understand their English.

Could use an app to understand Cajuns too.

No subtitles in the real world.

Tundra Dude

October 1st, 2012
4:12 pm

For a man so interested in the topic, I am surprised that you haven’t
googled the readily available estimates.

Just ignore him. He’s Mr. Vitt…..as in Fullah Vitt, imo.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=concern+troll

concern troll :
A person who lurks, then posts, on a site or blog, expressing concern for policies, comments, attitudes of others on the site. It is viewed as insincere, manipulative, condescending.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:12 pm

Towncrier — “I have posted this bit of evidence twice already and there is nothing but silence from the liberals here.”

So?

“Anyone care to address what the report uncovers???”

What, exactly, does it “uncover?”

“If what they found is true, then my case is made.”

If what they found *isn’t* true, then not only is your case not made but they also haven’t uncovered anything.

Speculation isn’t evidence.

Tundra Dude

October 1st, 2012
4:13 pm

Stevie the joker:
if you didn’t already read, I think you will dig this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-truth-deficit-from-obama-and-romney/2012/09/30/262c4602-09a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html

Sammy’s the right one to opine on truth deficits.

Robert Samuelson’s Speeches for the Presidential Candidates
http://bit.ly/cXhquA

getalife

October 1st, 2012
4:13 pm

pogo,

And she drove away in a brand new Lincoln with 20’s.

We heard this same story a hundred times.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

ogop — “Welcome to Obamaworld. I stopped at a store today and a lady before me bought 6 scratch off lottery tickets. I had to wait and wait because she couldn’t remember her pin. Finally she remembered and so she paid for them with a card.”

I do not believe you. Last time I checked, lottery retailers were forbidden from accepting plastic to purchase GA Lottery products.

Mary Elizabeth

October 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

I am so weary of Republican spin of truth.

Voter suppression of blacks, minorities, the elderly, and the young is going on, particularly in states where suppression of these votes would tilt the final tally in favor of Republican candidates.

A Southern state – either Mississippi or Louisiana – has recently changed its present law so that the Sunday before election day, on Tuesday, will no longer be allowed to be an early voting day – as it had been in the past. Sunday was the day when African-Americans – many elderly who could not drive or who had no means of transportation – had previously car pooled with others after their church services, where they would be anyway, in order to go to the polls in groups, on a non-work weekend day, in order to be able to cast their ballots.

Voter suppression is immoral. Deliberate voter suppression is happening throughout the nation in this election, and leading members of the present GOP have known exactly what they had planned to do, in this regard, and why they had planned to do it for months, if not years, before these laws were enacted, imo. Immoral.

paulo977

October 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

DDR …….” believe they’re funded just as any other network is – through advertisements, etc.”
___________________________________________________________
WOW …..How ignorant are those who want to follow the bigots!!!!!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
4:15 pm

pogo

Paid for a lottery ticket with a card?

I think you are fibbing.

I tried once to buy a lottery ticket here in GA (one of those gozillian
jackpot days) and was told I had to pay cash money for it.

No cards….

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
4:15 pm

“Last time I checked, lottery retailers were forbidden from accepting plastic to purchase GA Lottery products”

And it’s always been that way

alittlecommonsense

October 1st, 2012
4:16 pm

Doggone -

“It is rather silly to think that with millions of people motivated to see thier side win, that no one would cheat”

Since no one has stated that…what’s your point?

Well – Jay says

yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

None.

completely imaginary “problem”

I read that as Jay saying there is no voter fraud. “NONE”. Or maybe it just isn’t a problem because his side is the primary beneficiary. I guess it isn’t a problem when your side cheats.

anInterestedCitizen

October 1st, 2012
4:16 pm

Mr. Bookman, who’s telling the truth? Who can be trusted?

From Charade, with Audrey Hepburn and Cary Grant.

REGGIE (Hepburn): Alex, how can you tell if anyone’s lying or not?

DYLE (Grant): You can’t.

R: There must be some way.

D: There’s an old riddle about two tribes of Indians. The Whitefeet always tell the truth and the Blackfeet always lie. So one day you meet an Indian, you say, “Hey Indian, what are you, a truthful Whitefoot or a lying Blackfoot?” He says, “I’m a truthful Whitefoot.” But which is he?

R: Why couldn’t you just look at his feet?

D: Because he’s wearing moccasins.

R: Well then he’s a truthful Whitefoot, of course.

D: Why not a lying Blackfoot?

R: Which one are you?

D: A truthful Whitefoot.

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
4:17 pm

Not a single right wing poster on this blog has been convicted of bestiality (that we KNOW of). By their own logic, it therefore must be a widespread problem, requiring immediate government action.

Or, maybe we can just admit the whole “voting fraud” shtick is political nonsense and another vote suppression attempt ( of which Republicans have a well documented history).

Which is it? Are Republicans just playing dirty politics, or are they really that stupid?

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
4:17 pm

“If what they found is true, then my case is made”

If pig grew wings, they’d be pigeons.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
4:19 pm

Besides this deflection, have you any response to the report I linked to itself????? HUH?????

No, for two reasons:

1. I rarely click on youtube videos as “evidence” of anything. I’ve never viewed Sooth’s youtube videos proving the WTC fell from a controlled demolition either. Video is for music and people who find reading too bothersome because words confuse them.

2. You already made one dumb assertion today, got shot down, and now you demand we evaluate your next assertion? For that matter you can’t even read and comprehend the words written by Jay at the top of this page. If you want to sling $#!^ until we’re bored and then declare yourself the victor, have at it. You win the Tea Potty Screeching Maniac prize! Luxuriate in your victory!

Buck up little rider…maybe some fake Jews will engage your latest venture.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
4:19 pm

“yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

None”

YOU need to read it again. He has not stated here are no attempts as fraud.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
4:20 pm

“You’re sticking hard to that word “if” while your context gives one the impression that you wholeheartedly believe those reports. I can’t and won’t try to change your opinion on this. I can only form my opinion based on what I know.”

It is actually a local NBC station report. I tend to believe it, but qualified my statement to satisfy any possible gainsayers.

“Your report addressed the Motor Voter Law that was passed in 1992. At that time, the immigration law I spoke of was still in effect. I don’t think it was changed until the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended in 1996. At that point, it became illegal for non-citizens to cast votes in ANY elections. Any non-citizen casting votes beyond that point would be charged and prosecuted in Federal court and could end up losing their green card.”

I don’t know what your point is. The report, in one instance provided proof of a non-citizen voting in 2000-2010 elections. And the report itself was made this year.

Look, if a local journalist is in a few days time able to uncover clear instances of non-citizens voting. how naive is it to think it doesn’t happen more than liberals would want to admit?

Regnad Kcin

October 1st, 2012
4:20 pm

Ask, “what would an Indian of the other tribe tell me he was?”

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
4:21 pm

Bro

It’s simple. What Ryan meant was that anyone who votes for him and Mitt will keep their deductions.

The 47% who are moochers will lose all of theirs LOL

:-)

getalife

October 1st, 2012
4:21 pm

I go to the store , mind my own business and talk nice to my neighbors.

Perhaps pogo should try this and be happier.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
4:22 pm

pogo: You lie much or just on this blog? Not the best habit to say the least

Q. Can Georgia Lottery tickets be purchased via the mail or the Internet?

A. The Georgia Lottery Corporation does not offer sale of Georgia Lottery tickets via the mail or over the Internet. By law, all Georgia Lottery tickets must be purchased with cash only – credit cards, debit cards, checks or any form of deferred payment are not acceptable forms of payment for Georgia Lottery tickets – from an authorized Georgia Lottery retailer within the state of Georgia.

http://www.galottery.com/help/faqs#6

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:22 pm

“Dissecting the democRat’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud”

Can you say ACORN or ILLEGAL ALIENS??? That’s what we thought! :lol:

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:24 pm

“I go to the store , mind my own business and talk nice to my neighbors.”

While you are at it, Can you pick up a twelve pack and some Kool Ultra Menthol’s before the game starts back??

Oh wait! :lol:

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

In six pages has any righty condemned the video above?

Anybody?

AND

my favorite moocher USMC pops up with ACORN.

that’s just nuts dude. just nuts.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

pogo — 0

Truth — 1

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

Perhaps pogo should try this and be happier.

He also wouldn’t get busted lying like a cheap-@$$ rug.

That’s what happens when you represent a story you heard from your dentist’s cousin’s pizza delivery guy’s nephew as something that happened to you, and PROOF those people are buying lottery tickets with a card stamped “Leeched From Taxpayers.”

getalife

October 1st, 2012
4:28 pm

USMC,

I don’t drink beer but when I do I drink, I sip Crown Royal on the rocks..

Stay drunk, my friend.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:28 pm

Nope, pogo is not lying from my experience. It is possible to buy lottery tickets using other than cash.

I have done it before. It is up to the cashier if they issue you a ticket or not…

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:29 pm

“Acorn, that’s just nuts dude. just nuts.”–Granny Gorilla

That’s about the smartest thing we have ever heard out of your mouth, Granny. Good for you! :lol:

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:31 pm

“I don’t drink beer but when I do I drink, I sip Crown Royal on the rocks..”–Getalife

Then we will stock the bar with Crown just for you, Getalife.
(You might need more than a sip of Crown after this weekend’s game against the Gators) :lol:

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

I don’t know what your point is. The report, in one instance provided proof of a non-citizen voting in 2000-2010 elections. And the report itself was made this year.

My point is that, depending on the locale, it is still perfectly legal for a non-citizen to vote in our elections. They can vote in local and/or state elections where it is still legal for permanent residents to vote. That person would be correct if they voted in the election if it’s allowed. The distinction is that non-citizens can not vote in Federal elections.

When elections are typically held, they are all combined on one ballot. We don’t do separate elections for the local, state, and then federal elections. One could say they voted in an election and not cast a vote for a federal office.

I listened to your report, and at what point did they educate their listeners to ACTUAL law in relation to the differences between federal and other elections? They only said the people voted in elections. They didn’t state whether they voted on the local, state, or federal level. That makes a big difference in everything you’re claiming. As far as that story, their report is basically a one-sided hit piece that’s designed to inflame people who already think that it’s a widespread problem. They basically go out with the answer and find things to help them prove their point.

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

“my favorite moocher USMC pops up with ACORN”

Moocher??? Who did I mooch off of, Granny????
It certainly wasn’t you. :lol:

kayaker 71

October 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

My wife has bought lottery tickets with a debit card for years……. and in more than one locale.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
4:34 pm

“I rarely click on youtube videos as “evidence” of anything. I’ve never viewed Sooth’s youtube videos proving the WTC fell from a controlled demolition either. Video is for music and people who find reading too bothersome because words confuse them.”

Sounds like a personal problem. It was of an NBC report. I guess the Rodney King “video” was likewise insignificant. But, hey, keep to you comic books. What a dolt you are proving to be.

“You already made one dumb assertion today, got shot down, and now you demand we evaluate your next assertion?”

You appear unable to “evaluate” much at all – given your preceding prejudice against “videos” that are for “people who find reading too bothersome because words confuse them.” How patently stupid is that?

“For that matter you can’t even read and comprehend the words written by Jay at the top of this page.”

I suspect my comprehension skills are superior to yours. Jay asserted that “Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud. None.” In my first post, I questioned his phrasing in this assertion – which I took to be a typical CYA liberal tact to avoid being nailed down. Fraud has, in fact, occurred. Conservatives have provided proof of this. But Jay, with his crystal ball, knows that none of these instances of fraud were “attempts to alter election outcomes”. And, apparently, he is letting you gaze into it as well.

“If you want to sling $#!^ until we’re bored and then declare yourself the victor, have at it. You win the Tea Potty Screeching Maniac prize! Luxuriate in your victory!”

Another mindless deflection from someone incapable of sustaining any kind of debate. Surf is up there, Aquagirl.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

USMoocherC

Of course!…acorns are just nuts.

From which the mighty oak grows – covered in leaves not voter registration cards.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

It is up to the cashier if they issue you a ticket or not…

So the outraged manager was outraged while participating in illegal activity by accepting plastic for lottery tickets? Is that the new spin?
And was the manager related to our con who was outraged by the Sec. 8 fraudsters renting one of his properties?

Gosh, so many outrages, so little time for cons. No wonder they’re outraged since they’re constantly facilitating these disgusting activities.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

Aquagirl,

You, getalife, and JHM owe pogo an apology.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:39 pm

M. Betty — “Nope, pogo is not lying from my experience. It is possible to buy lottery tickets using other than cash.”

Then pogo needs to turn in the retailer in question. Otherwise he’s knowingly permitting such things as he complains about to go on.

josef

October 1st, 2012
4:39 pm

Voter fraud? What else is new. Been going on for as long as we’ve been voting.

Next topic?

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

“From which the mighty oak grows – covered in leaves not voter registration cards.”–Granny

Okay… Granny… I am going to leave that one alone. And while you are at it, give back Getalife’s bottle of Crown Royal before you get further into the sauce.
… or whatever it is you’re on. :lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

As soon as he turns in the offending retailer and shares with us how to obtain a copy of the police report resulting therefrom, I’ll consider it.

Tundra Dude

October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

I’ve never seen a Food Stamp in my life.
I guess now they’re like Debit cards?
Are they a distinctive color?

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

Yep Aquagirl. getalife and JHM should apologize to pogo LOL

Pogo why do you patronize establishments that BREAK THE LAW?

:-)

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:42 pm

“Voter fraud? What else is new. Been going on for as long as we’ve been voting.
Next topic?”

And of course after 76 pages deep, the sage steps in and nips it in the bud as usual. :-)

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
4:43 pm

getalife, LOL, I love that! As good as the original is, that seems more like truth in advertising!

Q. Can Georgia Lottery tickets be purchased via the mail or the Internet?

A. The Georgia Lottery Corporation does not offer sale of Georgia Lottery tickets via the mail or over the Internet. By law, all Georgia Lottery tickets must be purchased with cash only – credit cards, debit cards, checks or any form of deferred payment are not acceptable forms of payment for Georgia Lottery tickets – from an authorized Georgia Lottery retailer within the state of Georgia.

http://www.galottery.com/help/faqs

Poor crier. The new blog master of specious arguments.

And Aquagirl, you, like I, have NO standing with him.

Because we are not real _______________. (fill in the blank.)

(He’s the decider!)

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
4:43 pm

pogo
October 1st, 2012
4:07 pm

Welcome to Obamaworld. I stopped at a store today and a lady before me bought 6 scratch off lottery tickets. I had to wait and wait because she couldn’t remember her pin. Finally she remembered and so she paid for them with a card…

—————

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:28 pm

Nope, pogo is not lying from my experience. It is possible to buy lottery tickets using other than cash.

I have done it before. It is up to the cashier if they issue you a ticket or not…

Is it just me, or is it possible that pogo was in line behind betty???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

j/k… I just couldn’t resist that one. That one was set up for anybody to knock that one out to center field.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

JHM,

Yeah, this kind of thing doesn’t go on just like voter fraud right?

Maybe pogo could call in Chris Hansen to try and get proof, but I don’t think NBC would be interested in that it would be attacking the poor.

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:45 pm

“my favorite moocher USMC pops up with ACORN”–Granny Gorilla

I think you meant your favorite SMOOCHER, right Granny??? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7f9hsFrKUY

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:45 pm

lol, I knew that would come Bro. I am a moocher don’t ya know.

Seriously though, it was with a debit card, but point is, it is not required to use cash to purchase lottery tickets.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

“Is it just me, or is it possible that pogo was in line behind betty???”

And kayaker’s wife was behind betty…………

The line goes on forever

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

Maybe betty paid with her UI card?

:-)

kayaker 71

October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

I wonder if that “outraged” lady on the video was as upset at the Black Panther dudes in PA. Wonder if any liberal was even the least bit outraged by these animals. Very little mention of them by the MSM, Bookman or any of you liberal stalwarts of voter justice. Holder didn’t seem to be too upset either. Said, in a little note in his pocket, that he wouldn’t be prosecuting any of “his people”. But the Black Panther video was the most revealing. Something about “killing white babies”. That seems to be the new norm for liberals, as least if they are black. Voter intimidation? This little college girl didn’t come close to intimidating anyone. You have to go to PA, try to enter a polling place and pass some dude slamming a baton into his hand….. now that’s intimidation. Bookman is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel on this one.

Sagegirl

October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

josef

October 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

TUNDRA
“I’ve never seen a Food Stamp in my life.
I guess now they’re like Debit cards?
Are they a distinctive color?”

I take it you don’t shop at Whole Foods…

USMC

Better be nice to me…you’re on my slap-silly list! :-)

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
4:48 pm

betty

Glad to know I didn’t let you down. ;)

Tundra Dude

October 1st, 2012
4:48 pm

Voter fraud? What else is new. Been going on for as long as we’ve been voting.

How about fraud by the owners of the voting machines………..oh, wait….that’s not new either.

The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:49 pm

M. Betty — “JHM, Yeah, this kind of thing doesn’t go on just like voter fraud right?”

I didn’t say that it didn’t happen. I pointed out that it’s illegal. I also encouraged pogo to turn in the offending retailer.

“Maybe pogo could call in Chris Hansen to try and get proof, but I don’t think NBC would be interested in that it would be attacking the poor.”

Maybe pogo could just turn the guy in. Retailers get caught selling beer to kids all the time; surely they can catch someone selling scratch-offs for plastic. :roll:

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
4:51 pm

Thomas

October 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

Audi has announced that it has settled on San José Chiapa, Mexico for its newest production facility in North America.

Should we start breaking across the border to Mexico for jobs?
++++++++++++++++++++++

It’s closer than China and India where Mitt sends jobs……..

USMC

October 1st, 2012
4:51 pm

“Better be nice to me…you’re on my slap-silly list!”

As usual, I was complementing you there wise one.
You know that I know better than to get placed on your slap-silly list. :lol:

Charlie B

October 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

From a Sacramento California article on the subject of ebt/lotto purchases…

But the state Department of Social Services, which oversees the welfare program, says yes. So, why the confusion?

“It’s clear there’s no clarity here regarding the rules about whether EBT cards can be used to buy lottery tickets,” said Jon Coupal of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.

Social Services says while they don’t encourage it, the card acts like a debit card and can be used for cash purposes like buying the Lotto, as long as the retailer accepts it.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:54 pm

JHM,

“I didn’t say that it didn’t happen. I pointed out that it’s illegal.”

Whatever…

per your 4:26:

pogo — 0

Truth — 1

josef

October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

“A Southern state – either Mississippi or Louisiana – has recently changed its present law so that the Sunday before election day…”

*******
Don’t know which one, not that it matters, it was SOUTHERN and thass enough for me… :-)

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

Charlie B

Can you provide a link to what goes on here in GA?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

This statement of yours:

“I don’t think it was changed until the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended in 1996. At that point, it became illegal for non-citizens to cast votes in ANY elections.”

does not square with this one:

“My point is that, depending on the locale, it is still perfectly legal for a non-citizen to vote in our elections. They can vote in local and/or state elections where it is still legal for permanent residents to vote. That person would be correct if they voted in the election if it’s allowed. The distinction is that non-citizens can not vote in Federal elections.”

And this statement does not really square with the Wiki article on foreign suffrage:

=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States

It appears that any foreign suffrage that occurs today does so at a very limited and only local level:

=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote

“I listened to your report, and at what point did they educate their listeners to ACTUAL law in relation to the differences between federal and other elections? They only said the people voted in elections. They didn’t state whether they voted on the local, state, or federal level.”

See above.

“As far as that story, their report is basically a one-sided hit piece that’s designed to inflame people who already think that it’s a widespread problem. They basically go out with the answer and find things to help them prove their point.”

So why did the report prompt two election supervisors to take action? Is it a “hit piece” because it goes against what you believe?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
4:56 pm

M. Betty — “Whatever…per your 4:26:”

Anything stopping pogo from telling us WHERE this particular crime wave took place? :roll:

Anything stopping YOU from telling us where they’ll take plastic for Lotto tickets?

Whatever, yourself.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
4:58 pm

You, getalife, and JHM owe pogo an apology.

I’m very sorry you and Pogo may hang around in sleazy places with unsavory clerks and managers who feel entitled to complain about “leeches” while they facilitate said leeches for a profit.

Would you like me to send your mommy to haul you out and give you a spanking? Obviously you guys can’t stay out of there on your own, and that’s entirely some liberal’s fault too.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:58 pm

JHM – zero

Truth – one

You lose.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

Just apologize, Aquagirl.

You were wrong.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

Charlie B

October 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

From a Sacramento California article on the subject of ebt/lotto purchases…

But the state Department of Social Services, which oversees the welfare program, says yes. So, why the confusion?

“It’s clear there’s no clarity here regarding the rules about whether EBT cards can be used to buy lottery tickets,” said Jon Coupal of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.

Social Services says while they don’t encourage it, the card acts like a debit card and can be used for cash purposes like buying the Lotto, as long as the retailer accepts it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

In Georgia you can’t use a debit card for lotto purchases. I don’t know of anywhere that accepts it. The store makes a nickel off the ticket. The card fee is at least a nickel…………

Today is brainiac day I see…….

josef

October 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

USMC

I put you there last p.m….limp wristed pansey, eh? You jus’ tryin’ to make nice now! :-)

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

moonbat

So you were there when pogo bought the ticket?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

Can I buy secret ballet voting tutus with lottery tickets?

kayaker 71

October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

Charlie B 4:52,

Hell, they buy vacations in Vegas, cruises and trips to Hawaii with them. Also in MA, they apparently buy massages, fixing their fingernails, booze…… most anything. CA is something like 19B in the tank, is the illegal immigrant capital of the world and they want to build a new stadium in LA costing close to 3B and change, when they don’t even have an NFL football team to play in it. All run by Governor Moonbeam and the Democrats.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

“Gosh, so many outrages, so little time for cons. No wonder they’re outraged since they’re constantly facilitating these disgusting activities.”

Gosh, so many deflections, so little time for libs. No wonder they’re confused since they’re constantly ignoring these inconvenient truths.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
5:02 pm

TBS,

No, but I have done it myself before, so it is possible.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:02 pm

USMC is still here and still SOBER? That ain’t right. Come on you old fart, let’s go get a beer………… or 20……..

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:03 pm

M. Betty — “JHM – zero Truth – one You lose.”

Says the woman who asserts that she’s an eyewitness to illegal behavior but won’t specify where and when it has taken place. (laughing, pointing) :D

Honeybunch, all you’ve got is your word and pogo’s that this goes on, and I don’t believe either one of you. If you and pogo are so all-fired upset about it, then TURN THE OFFENDERS IN, for crying out loud. :roll:

You’re like Captain Renault, you are. Shocked, SHOCKED that illegal activity is taking place.

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
5:03 pm

TBS – FYI – I used a Debit card, but still no cash was used…

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm

moonbat

So you do not know that pogo was lying or not. Based on your experience you know it to be true, but you do not know that pogo actually witnessed anything, correct?

You mind telling us the store and location of where you purchased these tickets?

josef

October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm

Off Topic, a bit…but has anybody heard from midori? I hope she’s okay…

Vietnam 2

October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm

The GOP base is supposed to be religious RIGHT Christians. However. most of them have NEVER heard of the Bohemian Club and what they stand for. Few, if any know that every GOP president since Calvin Coolidge has been a member. EVERYONE! Coolidge, Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 1&2. How can you vote for a Party that you know nothing about. The real power base of the GOP Party comes from this CLUB and NO Democrats allowed. Find out who you really vote for. If Mitt isn’t a member, he will NOT be elected.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:06 pm

Towncrier — “Gosh, so many deflections, so little time for libs. No wonder they’re confused since they’re constantly ignoring these inconvenient truths.”

Like this one?

Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim.

Yes, that was VERY inconvenient. For you. But it wasn’t true. :D

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
5:07 pm

“You mind telling us the store and location of where you purchased these tickets?”

I don’t remember and I don’t really care, because it was coming out of MY bank account.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:08 pm

Moonbat

If it occurs, I doubt it is often. As Fred stated, the transaction fee would eat up what they get from the Lottery commission. With that being fact, why would they take a chance of losing their lottery machine and tickets for not compling with the regulations?

If they think Lottery brings in more business, they would stand a chance of losing that additional business and making nothing on the “debt or credit card” lottery transactions.

What do they have to gain except for pogo, kayaker’s wife and your business?

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
5:09 pm

“Welcome to Obamaworld. I stopped at a store today and a lady before me bought 6 scratch off lottery tickets. I had to wait and wait because she couldn’t remember her pin. Finally she remembered and so she paid for them with a card. After she left the owner told me that the government gives those cards to people trying to help them and they go and buy lottery tickets. I asked what he meant. He said that they receive a cash card wherein they can buy anything they want at a place of business they want. Beer. Cigarettes. Lottery tickets. Anything. Is this what you libs want for this country? Yes, in your continuing support of Obama apparently it is. This country has become a country of parasites. And the “host” is terminal.”

Codswallop!!!! I might’ve believed your little augmented reality about the lottery tickets, but then you went a bridge too far… alcohol and cigarettes… heh…

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:09 pm

“I don’t remember and I don’t really care, because it was coming out of MY bank account.”

Who would have guessed. hahahahahaha

Let me guess pogo and kayaker do not remember either……. right guys?

How convenient…………..

bwhahahahaha

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
5:10 pm

“What do they have to gain except for pogo, kayaker’s wife and your business?”

If they sell a winning ticket, they get a commission or payment of some sort.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:11 pm

TBS — “If it occurs, I doubt it is often. As Fred stated, the transaction fee would eat up what they get from the Lottery commission. With that being fact, why would they take a chance of losing their lottery machine and tickets for not compling with the regulations?”

Not to mention the fact that the Lottery Commission could easily see the FOP (Form Of Payment) if they looked at their transaction logs. Seems to me that taking plastic in violation of the Lottery Commission’s rules would be a good way for a retailer to get kicked out of the lottery club.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
5:11 pm

moonbat
So you were there when pogo bought the ticket?

Looks like we’ll have to rely on moonbat’s account since Pogo wisely pulled a Sir Robin.

Moonbat—you seriously want me to apologize? At best, Pogo relayed the outrage of a store manager who accepts plastic when he shouldn’t. At worst, he repeated some secondhand crap or made $#!^ up. That was a beautiful, awesome faceplant of the highest order. I will probably bring it up with him again, but you can bet it won’t be for an apology.

I look forward to his story about the outraged wh@rehouse madam bemoaning the lack of morals in ‘Merica today. I bet she blames those darn liberals too.

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm

pogo — 0

Truth — 1

Joe mama,

Were you by chance working as one of those replacement refs? You’ve certainly proved your qualifications based on this score.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm

RW Troll

Yes they do. But if they get caught, they lose any additional business they maybe getting from having lottery and of course are already losing the sold ticket fee because they have to pay the transaction fees for the debit and credit card

Road Scholar

October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm

Isn’t it interesting. Until very recently (Florida) when the phrase voter fraud is used , the conservatives jump up and down like it HAS to be a liberal or Democrat abusing the system! Paranoid much conserves? Oh they have their voter suppression to fall back on!

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm

“At best, Pogo relayed the outrage of a store manager who accepts plastic when he shouldn’t”

If this sordid little tale were true, I’d bet it was one of those dirty little quickie marts with video poker machines in the back…

Marty Huggins'

October 1st, 2012
5:14 pm

Just to put in my 2 pennies.

Drugs are illegal, the sale of drugs are illegal, possession of drugs is illegal.

Now I would assume that most if not all of us have either witnessed a drug deal or knew a drug dealer.

Now if we didn’t report them to the cops did that mean that it didn’t happen.
Or if we didn’t report them does that mean we should not express any outrage over drug dealers without being called a liar?

moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)

October 1st, 2012
5:14 pm

TBS, I didn’t even know it was illegal to use a debit card to purchase lottery tickets.

Perhaps I should post my name here and you can report me to the authorities?

Anyway, that’s enough of this…

Have a good one.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:15 pm

JHM

It isn’t impossible to say it occurs, but there isn’t much upside for the retailer to engage in these type transactions.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
5:15 pm

“Like this one?”

And you provided evidence to the contrary (as did I think one other poster). I haven’t the time to investigate the matter in depth, but was willing to stipulate only 38 being charged with fraud. How is that a “deflection” (as in not even addressing what someone else has posted but throwing up a red herring or making a joke and the like)?

“Yes, that was VERY inconvenient. For you. But it wasn’t true.”

See above. Jay and liberals want to pretend that there are people voting who shouldn’t be (like non-citizens) and so they argue there is little evidence of in person voter fraud without ANY analysis of efforts made to uncover such fraud. The NBC report I linked to indicates that the only way they can know to investigate it is from tips. And it showed evidence of several non-citizens voting. That proves it happens and it it is undetected. No one can say how big the problem is.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:16 pm

Doom — “Joe mama, Were you by chance working as one of those replacement refs? You’ve certainly proved your qualifications based on this score.”

Nope, that’s just a ragepost from a whiny poster who’s upset that both she and pogo have been outed as baldfaced liars.

Besides, she admits to playing the lottery, so that proves she’s bad at math. (laughing) :D

bman

October 1st, 2012
5:16 pm

Just today, I saw a guy purchase a lottery ticket for $1 and told the guy behind him it was the winner and that he would sell it to him for $2 ….I couldn’t believe it.

The buyer had an Obama bumper sticker on his car. All of a sudden. It was easy to believe.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

TBS, I didn’t even know it was illegal to use a debit card to purchase lottery tickets.

Perhaps I should post my name here and you can report me to the authorities?
_____________________________________

Translation: I have no evidence to back up pogo’s story and I coincidentally have no idea where I purchased tickets using a debit card, but damn it…………. it is true

Charlie B

October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

TBS – There are many links about what Georgia allows. There are also current links that state lawmakers have put restrictions is place on what can be purchased.

My intent was not to stamp what Pogo did or did not witness, my intent was to show that there could possibly be confustion between the Lottery commission and Social Services and the way the cards are either currently regulated or how they were previously regulated.

Jay

October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

Crier, after all your manipulations and misstatements and claims that your bald misstatements somehow don’t matter, the bottom line remains the same:

“Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.”

Period.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

Afternoon, Brosephus 3:39

I listened to that interview. And others by Ryan and Romney.

Each interview confirms my suspicion that, to do what they say they want to do, the middle and the top tier’s going to end up paying more under Romney’s plan. Only thing is, they won’t come out and say it. And none of the base or the talking heads want to go there, either. I mean, how’d that sound? “We’re going to limit deductions and lower rates, but we still want to generate enough revenue to do other stuff… so it can’t be revenue neutral….. and we can’t do other stuff ’cause we aren’t going to increase the deficit… but let’s not talk about this any more, okay?”

Really, they’ve even got people on this very blog convinced their taxes are going to go down by 20 percent. Nope, that’s not what Romney said. He said the tax table rates will be cut on the amount subject to the rate. So, for simplicity’s sake, if part of your income is subject to a 25% rate, under Romney it’ll be subject to a (25 – 20%) 20 percent rate.

People do like to hear what they want to hear.

And I’m with josef on this topic. It gets the Republican base something to focus their energy on. So, as he said… “next?”.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:19 pm

M. Huggins — “Now if we didn’t report them to the cops did that mean that it didn’t happen.”

There’s a lot more upside to selling drugs than there is to selling lottery tickets to people who want to use plastic to pay. Just sayin’.

“Or if we didn’t report them does that mean we should not express any outrage over drug dealers without being called a liar?”

If pogo was so outraged, wouldn’t he have turned the offending retailer in? Or perhaps remembered what retailer it was?

bman

October 1st, 2012
5:19 pm

The retailers have to pay anywhere from 15-40 cents for each swipe. + a % of the sale.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:21 pm

Charlie B

That could be the case, but I was the one that posted what GA allows and it is cash……..

I can’t speak for nor plan on doing any research on other states.

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
5:21 pm

“Says the woman who asserts that she’s an eyewitness to illegal behavior but won’t specify where and when it has taken place. (laughing, pointing)

Better lump me into that group also. And yourself and everyone else. I see people barrelling down the interstate everyday going 80+ or more but being the bad person that I am I just don’t pick up the cell and call the police to tattle on the multitiudes of people I see doing it. Most people just don’t have the time or wherewithall to deal with the red tape of reporting every little illegality that goes on in everyday life. If you did you would never get anything done in your own life.

USMC

October 1st, 2012
5:22 pm

“USMC is still here and still SOBER? That ain’t right. Come on you old fart, let’s go get a beer………… or 20……..”–Fred

I’m with you Fred! I got your first beer, too. Oh wait!
It’s only Monday…. May be this weekend! :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:22 pm

Just today, I saw a guy purchase a lottery ticket for $1 and told the guy behind him it was the winner and that he would sell it to him for $2 ….I couldn’t believe it.

Just today, I had to walk 15 miles barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways to buy a lottery ticket with food stamps.

Marty Huggins'

October 1st, 2012
5:23 pm

Welp about to drive home. On my phone now and since there is a law against it rest assure nobody uses their cellphone while driving.

I know none of us have seen anyone driving and texting since the law was enacted.
Because we would all like to see the police report of where and when you files your complaint.

I mean if you disagree with it and you don’t report it well you are just lying about it ever happening.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
5:24 pm

moonbat,

No apology.

king should apologize to rice and that will not happen.

romney should apologize to our President for calling him a terrorist sympathizer but that will never happen.

josef

October 1st, 2012
5:25 pm

PAUL you an others asked for my take…

Okay, I’ve read and, I guess, digested Bibi’s speech at the UN. I must admit I did have to take a dose of baking soda, though, before committing my own comments to paper. I had to be sure what I was feeling wasn’t just excess classical Bibi gas.
I’m the first to admit that the boy can orate and, as certain American political pundits would say, he speaks “good English and is articulate.” He knows just what to say and where to put it in an address. He know where to place his modifiers, which ones to use, and how to put just the proper stress on which word. Of course, he’s had plenty of practice. It’s the same speech he’s been giving for quite a while, with just a little editing here and there for the sake of contemporaneous events and topic and audience at hand.
Start with Abraham and remind everybody how long the Jews have been around. Make sure and give a Reader’s Digest condensed version of their suffering, martyrdom and survival. Next, remind the audience of just how much this rag tag and much beleaguered tribe of wanderers have given the world in terms of science, medicine, literature, philosophy and charity. Bring all that back home to Jerusalem and make sure that everybody is reminded of just how much that little tiny strip of land has produced. Then, top it all off with a nice, heady dose of “never again” and Hebrew Tarzanism.
Then get to the point. Here’s the red line, and for those like Jay who need a graphic, in this case there was that bomb! Cheesy, it was. But, true Bibi, it’s what will be remembered long after the rhetoric fades. As much fun as the commentators here and abroad, especially in Israel, are having with it, that “red line” has been drawn, clearly and unequivocally and in a way we’ll all remember. Anybody who doubts that Barack and Bibi haven’t choreographed this down to the nyanh-nyanh pas de deux aren’t playing close attention.
As Haaretz put it, “[a]t the end of the day, the dispute between Obama and Netanyahu was futile. After all the public sensational throws between them, the references to Iran in both their speeches were practically identical. They are both concerned, but are not rushing to start a war that could get messy.”
Bibi just got to draw the red line. He could get by with the stage craft. Barack couldn’t pull it off with quite the same effect.

USMC

October 1st, 2012
5:25 pm

“I put you there last p.m….limp wristed pansey, eh? You jus’ tryin’ to make nice now!”–jonix

Well Yes, I guess so. That WAS kind of bad wasn’t it???

But “Drudgy spam”???
That is a little light in the loafers, isn’t it??? Oh wait! sorry, josef.

I am gay friendly, you know… “some of my best friends are…” well not really, but you get my drift. :lol:

bman

October 1st, 2012
5:26 pm

Kam .. .. Can I ask u a question about some wood?

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
5:27 pm

If pogo was so outraged, wouldn’t he have turned the offending retailer in? Or perhaps remembered what retailer it was?

No, remember the point of the story…it’s “us libs” and Obama who are responsible for this woman buying lottery tickets in this unknown location with her mystery LeechCard.

Not the store owner (who related this story) that accepts the LeechCard when it’s illegal, he’s a hard-working conservative Republican. He’s forced to accept this leechy money. Because, um, well…it’s her and the lib’ruls and most of all OBAMA’S fault.

No wonder Pogo evaporated faster the balance on a LeechCard in one of these stores.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:27 pm

Towncrier — “And you provided evidence to the contrary (as did I think one other poster). I haven’t the time to investigate the matter in depth, but was willing to stipulate only 38 being charged with fraud.”

That’s not what you said earlier. You said 38 *instances* of fraud. Since you were insisting on splitting hairs earlier, I’m going to split some for you now.

I don’t find a *charge* of fraud to be an *instance* of fraud. A conviction is, IMO, an *instance* of fraud. If someone’s charged but not convicted, then no *instance* of fraud has taken place, now has it?

“How is that a “deflection” (as in not even addressing what someone else has posted but throwing up a red herring or making a joke and the like)?”

TC, you’ve been twisting around with numbers all afternoon, not to mention the fact that a couple of people had already posted that debunked crap ahead of you. The fact of the matter is that you bought right into Fund and von Spakovsky’s dishonesty and tried to represent it as *evidentiary* without, apparently, having done the least bit of research into it before posting it.

“See above. Jay and liberals want to pretend that there are people voting who shouldn’t be (like non-citizens) and so they argue there is little evidence of in person voter fraud without ANY analysis of efforts made to uncover such fraud. The NBC report I linked to indicates that the only way they can know to investigate it is from tips. And it showed evidence of several non-citizens voting. That proves it happens and it it is undetected. No one can say how big the problem is.”

You’re not paying attention to what Jay’s saying, yet you’re claiming to know exactly what he means. This is exactly what you did to me in our first substantive discussion, when you accused me of adhering to Lembcke’s position when I happen to agree with only *one* of his four arguments. IMO, you need to check yourself and your evidence out a lot more closely before going out on the limbs you seem to like so much.

josef

October 1st, 2012
5:28 pm

K’CHAK

“Just today, I had to walk 15 miles barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways to buy a lottery ticket with food stamps.”

No easy task dressed in a prom burka…

alittlecommonsense

October 1st, 2012
5:28 pm

Granny – In six pages has any righty condemned the video above?

Yeah, I will condemn the lefty behind the camera. She seems like a real sweetheart doesn’t she, “honey bunch”.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
5:28 pm

Crier, after all your manipulations and misstatements and claims that your bald misstatements somehow don’t matter, the bottom line remains the same: “Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.” Period.

I vote Republican (usually). I have provided evidence of non-citizens voting illegally. That is fraud. Other conservatives have as well. But I do not assume – as you apparently do without a thought – that they are NOT attempting to “alter [an] election outcome” by doing so. I will concede, however, that I do not have a crystal ball like you seem to and so cannot “divine” the intention of these voters (I cannot know, after all, that they voted for someone because they wanted them in office instead of their opponents). Try again.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
5:30 pm

Watching how other Americans pay for their purchases is creepy.

I think the gop and their cons have turned into a hate cult.

Too bad they can’t focus on jobs like they focus on spying on Americans.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:30 pm

josef

Thanks for your synopsis on the speech. Of course you have their the varying semantics and wording as well as delivery style, but appears they are on the same page. Pretty close to what we have discussed in the past

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
5:31 pm

joe mama,

I just don’t think people want to get involved in reporting small time illegalites- either out of fear of retaliation or because they just don’t feel its worth their time and that nothing is going to happen to the offender anyway. Unfortunately I have people that tell me about medicare and medicaid fraud all the time but invariably when I ask them if they would like to report it they state that they don’t want to get involved.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:31 pm

Kam .. .. Can I ask u a question about some wood?

Sure, you can ask but I may not have an answer. Fred is around so he can help out if he’s a mind to.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:31 pm

josef

October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm

Off Topic, a bit…but has anybody heard from midori? I hope she’s okay…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I haven’t but while I may be with a topic for several hours I also miss topics where she might have showed up. (Shown up?)

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:32 pm

Doom — “Better lump me into that group also.”

If you wish.

“And yourself and everyone else. I see people barrelling down the interstate everyday going 80+ or more but being the bad person that I am I just don’t pick up the cell and call the police to tattle on the multitiudes of people I see doing it.”

Pogo presented a variant of your old argument; he claimed to have seen a woman using an EBT benefits card to buy lottery tickets. Several people here don’t believe him, as the GA Lottery Commission doesn’t *permit* the use of plastic to buy lottery products. Moonbat Betty claims that she’s done it, but can’t or won’t say where.

So if pogo thought what that woman did was so horrible, why wouldn’t he turn that retailer in?

“Most people just don’t have the time or wherewithall to deal with the red tape of reporting every little illegality that goes on in everyday life. If you did you would never get anything done in your own life.”

Given how indignant pogo seemed about it, I don’t think he felt it was so *little.*

USMC

October 1st, 2012
5:32 pm

US Attorney General Eric Holder’s Ballot to Vote Offered To James O’Keefe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXzTI_qyJA8

As usual, JAY totes the Party Line given to him by the Political Operatives in the democRat Party.
Jay Bookman’s lack of honesty is sad. :-(

bman

October 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

Kam .. .. I’ve had some Pergo wood flooring for years. Still in the box. I suppose my mother wants it for something. Do you know if it can be painted?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

M. Huggins — “I mean if you disagree with it and you don’t report it well you are just lying about it ever happening.”

If you say so.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

I am gay friendly, you know… “some of my best friends are…” well not really, but you get my drift.

Try as you might but you STILL ain’t getting josef’s last Bud Light………

as to your 5:22? If we roll on the 3 dollar cafe we can be 4 or 5 pitchers of Natty light into the wind before the game starts………..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

josef

Prom burkas are soooooo yesterday.

Today it’s all about secret ballet voting and the proper attire is tutus. I haven’t seen the huge __________ lady at the Whole Foods trying to buy secret ballet tuts with her food stamps, but I’m sure I will.

USMC

October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

“Too bad they can’t focus on jobs like they focus on spying on Americans.”–Getalife

Well, we need you and your Bengal Tigers to focus on the Gators this Saturday!

Geaux Dawgs! :lol:

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

bman

October 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

Kam .. .. I’ve had some Pergo wood flooring for years. Still in the box. I suppose my mother wants it for something. Do you know if it can be painted?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Anything can be painted……….

USMC

October 1st, 2012
5:36 pm

“as to your 5:22? If we roll on the 3 dollar cafe we can be 4 or 5 pitchers of Natty light into the wind before the game starts………..”–Fred

Now you’re talking, glad to see you are back on your meds, Freds! :lol:

getalife

October 1st, 2012
5:37 pm

USMC,

We beat Washington that beat Stanford so I think we can beat Florida.

LSU will step up their game Saturday.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:38 pm

bman

Pergo flooring is a pre-finished product, so I imagine paint would have a hard time adhering to the laminate.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:38 pm

Did ya’ll see the front page? Honey boo boo got a raise……..

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
5:39 pm

“You’re not paying attention to what Jay’s saying, yet you’re claiming to know exactly what he means.”

I was paying close attention to what Jay was arguing. It is a straw man argument: there is not evidence that voter fraud conspiracies exist so let’s pretend in person voter fraud does not exist. I have provided evidence that non-citizens are voting. If there are doing so in even relatively small numbers, the real conspiracy is liberals wanting to ignore it is happening.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
5:39 pm

Towncrier

The reasons my statements varied is because I was going from memory while trying to track down the actual federal statute. You have your choice for references, as I have mine. When talking about law, I try to back it up with the actual law as written.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/87129.pdf

9 FAM 40.104
UNLAWFUL VOTERS

INA 212(A)(10)(D)
(10) Miscellaneous

(D) Unlawful Voters

(i) In general
Any alien who has voted in violation of any Federal, State, or local constitutional provision, statute, ordinance, or regulation is inadmissible.

(ii) Exception
In the case of an alien who voted in a Federal, State, or local election (including an initiative, recall, or referendum) in violation of a lawful restriction of voting to citizens, if each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization), the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16, and the alien reasonably believed at the time of such violation that he or she was a citizen, the alien shall not be considered to be inadmissible under any provision of this subsection based on such violation.

My initial statement was incorrect, and that’s why I made the second statement based on what I found in my notebooks. As long as the law allows it, voting by non-citizens is allowed. I know for certain that it is not allowed on the federal level anywhere. I can’t assert with definite proof that the same applies to the state or local level as I don’t have the laws for all 50 states, how ever many counties, and cities in this country.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:39 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:38 pm

bman

Pergo flooring is a pre-finished product, so I imagine paint would have a hard time adhering to the laminate.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Rough it up and expoxy paint it like a cement floor.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm

Doom — “I just don’t think people want to get involved in reporting small time illegalites- either out of fear of retaliation or because they just don’t feel its worth their time and that nothing is going to happen to the offender anyway. Unfortunately I have people that tell me about medicare and medicaid fraud all the time but invariably when I ask them if they would like to report it they state that they don’t want to get involved.”

Doom, consider the facts. It would cost the retailer most or all of his per-ticket profit to accept card swipes for lottery products. So where’s the value-add for doing it? If the retailer wouldn’t make money doing it, why risk angering the lottery commission and losing your authorization to sell them in the first place?

Besides, it’s a fairly simple matter to look at a Point of Sale terminal’s transaction log and see which ones were cash txns and which were card txns. Therefore, it’d be pretty easy for the lottery commission to spot retailers who were doing it.

It would hurt your profits to do it. It’s easy to get caught. And there’s a lot of downside if you do happen to get caught at it. So why do it at all?

The story just doesn’t wash, IMO.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm

“so I imagine paint would have a hard time adhering to the laminate.”

I would think it would have to be sanded…but why paint it?

Orange12

October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm

Willydoit?

October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm

In this day and age of technology, why do we even have to go the polls to vote anyways? Just send every person over the age of 18 with a valid social security number a ballot from their district and let them mail in back in…or better yet, log in and vote online.
This way, no ID is required of anybody!

USMC

October 1st, 2012
5:41 pm

“We beat Washington that beat Stanford so I think we can beat Florida.
LSU will step up their game Saturday.”–Getalife

Brother, you get us that win and we will get you that sip of Crown you been asking for! :lol:

Geaux Tigers! (against the Gators)

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
5:42 pm

Brospehus – gotta run. But I will look for your response to my post @ 4:55 pm.

josef

October 1st, 2012
5:42 pm

K’CHAK

Thanks for the update…have to keep current… secret ballet voting…that’s a keeper! :-)

BOTH
Just my take…now, that graphic? Whee…check out the Israeli press on that one… :-)

FRED
I don’t like gay people much myself!

As for showed/shown…I go for shown, but I keep seeing showed more and more…OREP? What do you say if you’re about…?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
5:42 pm

Fred

That would do it.

But why not just install vinyl flooring?

Much cheaper and not as involved a process.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:43 pm

Towncrier — “I was paying close attention to what Jay was arguing. It is a straw man argument: there is not evidence that voter fraud conspiracies exist so let’s pretend in person voter fraud does not exist.”

That’s not what he’s saying.

“I have provided evidence that non-citizens are voting.”

By your own admission, you have done no such thing. You remember that “if” that got so much attention a page or two ago?

“If there are doing so in even relatively small numbers, the real conspiracy is liberals wanting to ignore it is happening.”

That reminds me — I need to pick up some tinfoil at Kroger on the way home. You know, before you buy it all to make a big ol’ beanie for yourself. :roll:

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
5:44 pm

Doom, consider the facts.

Thank the non-existent deity we have a con that actually might consider the facts. Doomy’s still young, though. The other cons will beat that outa him eventually.

bman

October 1st, 2012
5:45 pm

Fred – Kam

Thanks. One things for sure. I will be needing a fancy toolbelt

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
5:47 pm

“Pogo presented a variant of your old argument; he claimed to have seen a woman using an EBT benefits card to buy lottery tickets. Several people here don’t believe him, as the GA Lottery Commission doesn’t *permit* the use of plastic to buy lottery products.”

Doesn’t matter what the GA lottery commission permits. I’m certain some convenience store retail clerks either forget, don’t care, or don’t know sometimes when they’re doing hundreds of transactions a day. And if you do report it then how do you even know it would be investigated. It would be like Hoover dam starting to spring a leak and you putting your thumb in it thinking you can stop it.

“Moonbat Betty claims that she’s done it, but can’t or won’t say where.”

Would it really matter even if she does remember the name of the particular convenience store or its address? Its much ado about nothing and this type of small type fraud happens regularly. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this happens on a regular basis.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
5:49 pm

“or better yet, log in and vote online”

That would make in person fraud pale in comparison.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
5:49 pm

TD

As I mentioned, it could be occurring.

What is not a coincidence and you are “kidding yourself” if you think it is, that 3 people made the allegation, but not one stated where it occurred.

Come on now.

Willydoit?

October 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

“That would make in person fraud pale in comparison.”

So, fraud is a problem? Hmm, better check those ID’s then.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
5:53 pm

So why did the report prompt two election supervisors to take action?

The answer could be for any number of reasons. They may have taken action to cover their butts for not taking care of the voter registration list as required by law. They could have been taking action to see if there was legal sufficiency for the people to vote. Who knows unless you ask them why.

Is it a “hit piece” because it goes against what you believe?

No. I called it a “hit piece” because it comes off as one-sided. There is no attempt to educate the listeners to the actual law as it is written where the activities took place. They seem like they started out with the premise of illegal activity and then worked backwards to try to prove themselves right.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
5:53 pm

“So, fraud is a problem”

Only to the conned.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

josef

Thanks for your take. As much as the talking heads made fun of the graphic, it did make the point. In a memorable way. So he did do what he set out to do.

We’ve a good number of the Massive Ordnance Penetrators and as far as I can tell, mods on some are in place. Always thought there’d be a lot of talk while the weapon that could end the talk was readied.

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
5:55 pm

Small must be the new microscopic.

Republicans do crack me up though.

They are the only organization on the planet who can take an non-issue like voter fraud – that the Democrats, frankly do not handle very well – and turn it into an advantage.

For the Democrats!

Lordy be, the stupid…

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
5:57 pm

Kam: I don’t know why one would want to paint pergo lol. I wasn’t answering that question. Seems like a LOT of effort for something thta won’t turn out right. It’s like that Crocodile Dundee line, Yeah you can eat it but it tastes like sht.

Bman? Why do you want to paint pergo?

JHM: If Moonbat Betty says she bought a lottery ticket with a debit card then she bought a ticket with a debit card. I’ve never had her say anything for me to doubt her integrity or honor. Her SANITY at times lol but not her word………….

I think with a little more effort I can get her to admit she is more of an independent and less of a Republican than she currently admits to……..

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

Aquagirl,

I’m only young at heart. My old ass is getting crankier every day, my back is sore, my knee hurts, and if I work out tonight I’ll find some other ailment to bytch about.

The leechcard comment is kinda funny though but reminds me of a story. I was behind an elderly woman the other week at Walmark using her card. It created some kind of a big delay though. She got some chicken from the deli part of the store and they wouldn’t let her pay for it with her card since it was considered restaurant food. This went on for about 10 minutes and I think the cashier was even inspectring her candy apples and trying to tell her that she probably couldn’t get those either. The rest of her groceries were normal everyday stuff and I don’t have an issue with her getting a very small treat like the candy apples or a cheap deli meal. Very nice lady though and she felt bad about holding up the line. She even started helping me pick up my groceries and carry them to the next checkout line which I didn’t think was necessary. I dunno but it seemed to me that the cashier was unnecessarily embarrassing the old woman so I thought that was a display of youngster rudeness. As much as I dislike waste, fraud, and abuse in our various systems I’ve no problem with people like this lady getting the help she needs.

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

Paul: Each interview confirms my suspicion that, to do what they say they want to do, the middle and the top tier’s going to end up paying more under Romney’s plan.

Either that, or they’re gonna squeeze more from the bottom of the stack and work their way up until they get the balance they claim. Either way, they are not going to come out and state the truth. That’s something we’re in total agreement with.

pogo

October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

The Obama administration is now telling defense contractors not to issue lay off notices created by his budget until after the election and that the government will pick up the tab for those terminations after the election if they don’t tell those people in jeopardy that they are about to be without a job. Yep, Obama is one fine individual who cares about the working man. In reality, he has no morals (or brains) at all. His whole administration is built solely upon spending taxpayers dollars to placte the entitlement minded factions within his base. But guess what; there is no money to pay for all of this. If he taxes all he can it still won’t pay for what it takes to keep his mindless entitlement minions happy. This shell game can only go on for another year or so and then his adoring fans such as Jay are going to turn on him. I hope you sycophants choke on Obama and make no mistake, you will when you wake up one day and find that you can’t have what you are used to getting from the taxpayer and that Obama has no choice to make terrible cuts to the “Safety Net”. He is playing a fools game here but of course he has fools following him so they will get what they deserve.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

Doom — “Doesn’t matter what the GA lottery commission permits.”

It does it you want to keep selling lottery tickets.

“I’m certain some convenience store retail clerks either forget, don’t care, or don’t know sometimes when they’re doing hundreds of transactions a day. And if you do report it then how do you even know it would be investigated. It would be like Hoover dam starting to spring a leak and you putting your thumb in it thinking you can stop it.”

I know that you know what a medical FSA card is, Doom. How do you think those cards know whether or not any particular purchase is permissible?

“Would it really matter even if she does remember the name of the particular convenience store or its address? Its much ado about nothing”

Tell pogo that, then. He’s the one who got all bent out of shape over it.

“and this type of small type fraud happens regularly. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this happens on a regular basis.”

I’m going to bookmark this discussion and remind you of it the next time you get exercised about some indignity or other. :)

josef

October 1st, 2012
6:02 pm

PAUL
I don’t think the red line was missed by the mullahocrats…

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
6:02 pm

pogo — (incoherent jibber-jabber SNIPPED)

Hey, dude, the Lottery Commission called. You won the Powerball. They want you to come pick up your check.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
6:04 pm

The Obama administration is now telling defense contractors not to issue lay off notices…

drudgey spam.

CHARGE: WH refusal to send lay-off notices to defense employees ‘patently illegal’…

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
6:05 pm

As much as I dislike waste, fraud, and abuse in our various systems I’ve no problem with people like this lady getting the help she needs.

I’m telling you Doom, keep up your con ways and you’ll be screeching about that woman like she was a terrorist trying to buy nukes.

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

“Doom, consider the facts. It would cost the retailer most or all of his per-ticket profit to accept card swipes for lottery products. So where’s the value-add for doing it? If the retailer wouldn’t make money doing it, why risk angering the lottery commission and losing your authorization to sell them in the first place?”

Joe mama,

Greed and stupidity are 2 main reasons they would do it. And I suspect a third reason is because they probably know they’ll never get caught or get audited so to go with that they have no fear of consequence. Besides you ought to know how evil them bidness men are.

“Besides, it’s a fairly simple matter to look at a Point of Sale terminal’s transaction log and see which ones were cash txns and which were card txns. Therefore, it’d be pretty easy for the lottery commission to spot retailers who were doing it.”

Yep. But they probably have little if any fear of being audited. And if they did get caught then perhaps they think they would just get a slap on the wrist.

“It would hurt your profits to do it. It’s easy to get caught. And there’s a lot of downside if you do happen to get caught at it. So why do it at all?”

For the reasons I just mentioned. Never underestimate greed, stupidity, or just plain laziness when it comes to adhering to rules.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
6:07 pm

pogo

Near as I could tell, you’re upset at Pres Obama for wanting to keep all those entitlement-expecting, make-work, you owe me a living defense contractors and their employees on the gov’t payroll.

F. Sinkwich

October 1st, 2012
6:07 pm

Another day, another endorsement for O’bozo:

“Hugo Chavez, the socialist president of Venezuela, told state television: “I hope this doesn’t harm Obama, but if I was from the United States, I’d vote for Obama.”"

Next up, Ahmadinejad!

Babagonoosh

October 1st, 2012
6:08 pm

“…have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes”

Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated? Requiring voter ID to prevent election fraud is a common sense proactive measure to ensure the integrity of the ballot.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
6:09 pm

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
6:05 pm

As much as I dislike waste, fraud, and abuse in our various systems I’ve no problem with people like this lady getting the help she needs.

I’m telling you Doom, keep up your con ways and you’ll be screeching about that woman like she was a terrorist trying to buy nukes.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Easy now. We are slowly nudging Doomy towards THINKING instead of blindly following the talk show party line. Pretty soon HE’LL be an independent too.

Why do you think Bruno left? He was starting to see that the pubs were stupid and hated identifying and being identified WITH the regular pub idiots who post here. He wasn’t ready to Denounce the party like Butch Cassidy, our poster friend from New York, so he had to exit lol.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:09 pm

“For the reasons I just mentioned. Never underestimate greed, stupidity, or just plain laziness when it comes to adhering to rules.”

And never underestimate people on this blog saying something that meets their narrative whether it is true or not.

When three people make allegations and are unwilling answer a follow up question, my bs radar goes off like a bomb…………….

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
6:09 pm

Paul, not to mention they are all filthy labor union thugs!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
6:10 pm

Doom, please read:

JHM: It would cost the retailer most or all of his per-ticket profit to accept card swipes for lottery products.

TD: Greed and stupidity are 2 main reasons they would do it.

Well, then it must be *all* stupidity at work, because the greed monster won’t get his if the card processing fees eat up the POS profit for the lottery retailer.

:)

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
6:11 pm

Babagonoosh — “Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated? Requiring voter ID to prevent election fraud is a common sense proactive measure to ensure the integrity of the ballot.”

ZOMG, now voter fraud haz a CONTAGIOUS. :D

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

“Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated?”

Bad analogy. No one is passing laws to force you to get vaccinated.

josef

October 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

I saw that little old lady in a secret ballet burka at Whole Foods and she was paying for her deli chicken and candied apples with lottery tickets she bought with her AmEx card…

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

“I’m telling you Doom, keep up your con ways and you’ll be screeching about that woman like she was a terrorist trying to buy nukes.”

Naw. She was a nice lady and looked like she really needed the help. Some people you just know really do need the help. And then of course there are those that just abuse the hell out of the system. The last time I rented an apartment the guy and his live in girlfriend were like that. They had a child but stayed unmarried so that she could draw food stamps and other benefits. He was generally a good kid that just didn’t think of it as cheating the system. Some people that kind of game the system to receive the benefits just don’t view it that way.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
6:13 pm

Requiring voter ID to prevent election fraud is a common sense proactive measure to ensure the integrity of the ballot.

Again — there are 207,643,594 eligible voters in the U.S.

How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish the task of producing and distributing this ID?

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
6:14 pm

Babagonoosh

October 1st, 2012
6:08 pm
====================================

I love it when Republican talk show puppets try to be clever. It’s Baba ghanoush goofy. Google would have fixed that for you…………

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Babagonoosh

Paul

October 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

Babaganoosh

“Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated?”

Do you spend millions of dollars to bring to market a vaccine and mandate everyone get shots for a disease that does not exist?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
6:17 pm

Fred — “I love it when Republican talk show puppets try to be clever. It’s Baba ghanoush goofy.”

I liked Baba O’Riley better. :D

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
6:17 pm

Eggplant mashed and mixed with virgin olive oil and various seasonings at 6:08.

I fully agree.

if you cannot show an ID card at the polling place, what the hell is the matter with you???

Even so, it is the modern day, post Jim Crow gang that has taken the gift from the Dems and given it right back to them.

Specious claims of significant voter fraud by dead people and felons!

The bottom line is that the fake conservatives are still heavily invested in trying to have less and less and less people vote. (Likely because Those People won’t get off the D Plantation.)

Real Americans (not to be confused with real Jews) want more and more and more people to vote.

Selah…

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:18 pm

Joe Mama,

I think some of their clerks just don’t know or care much about the rules. Just move the line along.

josef,

Don’t be mocking the whole foods lady. For one thing she was at Walmark and not Whole foods. For another thing I’m certain she really and genuinely needed the help. And I seriously doubt she had an AmEx. Thirdly she was a nice lady and didn’t deserve some youngster embarrassing her in front of everyone and loudly lecturing her about what her card could and couldn’t buy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

Paul

October 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

JamVet

Yeah! That too!!!

I’ll try to find a link if you want. HUGE Lockheed facility in Ft Worth. Ft Worth paper had a multipage article on new work rules on the line imposed by management. Things like employees go to work when they arrive, not go eat breakfast. Get rid of all the microwaves, coffee pots, etc from employee work areas. Monitoring break times. It went on and on.

A union leader said it was no big deal. Nothing management did violated the union contract. Management had been lax and done many of those things themselves and they finally cleaned up their act. Many of the younger workers (union) were enthusiastic.

How much you wanna bet a bunch of bloggers here, reading the first big paragraph, thought “look at what those union guys were getting away with.” Nope, it was ‘look at what management didn’t do.”

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

He was generally a good kid that just didn’t think of it as cheating the system.

Wow, you wrote that entire description without mentioning “Obamaland” “leech” or “parasite.” Revocation of Doomy’s Con Card in 3…2…1….

Doom, give it up and go lib. You’re just not bitter and angry enough to make a good con. You must be able to lose your $#!^ at the drop of a rumored EBT(???) purchased lottery ticket.

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

Someone back a bit said
illegal immigrants could not
vote in federal elections.
Where and when do they
hold federal elections ?

moonbat betty

October 1st, 2012
6:22 pm

Don’t have time to f with you half wits at the moment but you are wrong. I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied. I will return later this evening to accept them.

Thank you.

mb

josef

October 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

THULSA

I’m not mocking her…just the people who would begrudge her the little pleasures…actually, I thought your post was kinda sweet…and I agree with you on your take about the smart a33…

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
6:24 pm

I like the compassionate Doomy.

i suspect that most of us away from this madhouse are nothing like our personae…

Just good guys and gals who give a ____.

If you don’t dig this song, well………… I’m sorry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8V5Ia-XOU

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:24 pm

they both suck,

I just don’t see anything difficult to believe about their story is all. We didn’t believe TANF cards were abused and then I posted that link from a local tv station where something like 60k in tanf card purchases were made at just one liquor store in Albany. Fraud like this occurs regularly.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

I think our President will do what corporate media failed to do.

Bring up lies like “terrorist sympathyzer” and no plans but bush failed policies.

He will wipe the floor with mitt’s greasy head.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied. I will return later this evening to accept them.

I hope you take disappointment well.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

Drugs are illegal, the sale of drugs are illegal, possession of drugs is illegal.

Well, long as we’re talking about the lottery, it reminds me of the story I seen on Fox News last night. Seems like this guy won a million bucks in a lottery last year. Sunday morning he was found dead of a heroin overdoze. It just goes to show that a vial of drugs and a head full of stupid will beat a wheelbarrow full of money every time. Put that in the bank the next time you want to put your life in the hands of a drug dealer that might or might not decide to dilute the stuff he sells you, depending on if he likes you or decides you’re a threat to his business.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:27 pm

mb

Your expectation are very high. Prove your implication than we will start the negotiations.

Name and location of store?

Thanks

tbs

getalife

October 1st, 2012
6:27 pm

moonbat,

No apology.

pogo

October 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

Jay, in your small way, you do realize that you and your like minded brethren in the liberal press are destroying democracy in your unwillingness to even find just one fault with Obama on either domestic and international issues don’t you? Is your wish to become a “journalist” for a Pravda styled press? Or, are you to looking for just a government stipend (the dole) to carry you through your elder days? Obama relies upon those that are willing to live with what they government can give them. We all know that there is a certain population within our country who cannot care for themselves. But they are a minority and should be helped by all of us who do work and pay taxes.

But under Obama, we have able bodied people who have chosen just not to work and to contribute because they know they know they can get a check if they vote a certain way. The most dispiccable politician is the one that promises people something for nothing and Obama is one of those. And 10’s of millions of our country’s people have willingly fallen for it.

I hope you and Luckovich can come back in about 20 years and see what the seeds that you have sewn are reaping. Your children will live in servitude of one kind or another. If they chose to work they will pay for others who are not willing to. They will not be able to excel because they will be just another face in the government entitlement crowd. No matter how hard they work they will be held back either by taxes or government re-distributionist policies. Another words, they will live under communism.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

TD

Whatever dude.

When three people make an allegation and not one can name where it occurred, give me a damn break.

I have personally been on this blog when you have went off on people for much less evidence than they are presenting.

Admit it, it fits your narrative, just as it did the other three so you buy it.

Your business but if all the info that has been presented, is all that will be presented, I call BS……………….

Tundra Dude

October 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

Doom:
She got some chicken from the deli part of the store and they wouldn’t let her pay for it with her card since it was considered restaurant food.

Sounds like the LeechCard wasn’t hers, or she’d know not to buy deli foods. It’s common to sell these cards to friends/relatives for half to 2/3 face value.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied.

Get used to disappointment.

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

josef,

Exactly. Most of her food was just regular stuff that people use and I don’t begrudge anyone a small pleasure in a pack of chocolate candy apples- and damn they looked yummy. I was more annoyed and agitated over the young clerk’s handling of the situation than anything else.Nothing to be gained in talking down to an elderly person of limited means. And we’re all going to be old farts one day. Hell I believe you already are! Knyuck knyuck!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
6:31 pm

But under Obama, we have able bodied people who have chosen just not to work and to contribute because they know they know they can get a check if they vote a certain way.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
6:32 pm

betty, just don’t go all Bruno and Del on us and split the scene!

Thick skin, brother/sister.

So many visions to psychoanalyze
The politician screaming the bleedin’ lies
And all the natural children riot for the compromise
Oh babe, open your window, and let that fresh air blow
Hey shake babe, shake off your demon
And watch that angel go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJoJYlgj_w

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
6:32 pm

M. Betty — “Don’t have time to f with you half wits at the moment but you are wrong.”

So you say. Shrug. :roll:

“I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied.”

I don’t care what you expect.

“I will return later this evening to accept them.”

And I am 100% sure that you will leave here unsatisfied.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
6:34 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
6:35 pm

R. Convert — “It just goes to show that a vial of drugs and a head full of stupid will beat a wheelbarrow full of money every time. Put that in the bank the next time you want to put your life in the hands of a drug dealer that might or might not decide to dilute the stuff he sells you, depending on if he likes you or decides you’re a threat to his business.”

Damn, now I don’t want to go to Walgreen’s and pick up my prescriptions. Thanks a LOT.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

They will not be able to excel because they will be just another face in the government entitlement crowd.

Yeah but if they find the right sleazy stores with whining d-bag managers they might win the lottery. I’m sure you’ll provide that info for a cut of their potential winnings.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

Actually pogo,

Your mindless vote for the gop that only votes to help the wealthy widens the income and wealth gap in our country. History books show this greed leads to revolution and we end up with socialism.

You cons are blindly and mindlessly helping this to happen.. The Dems want to close these gaps to keep the government we have. Middle class jobs and a strong middle class is the way to go not blindly helping the wealthy that need no help from any con. Got it?

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

Tundra Dude,

I think it was her card although you could be right. From what I gathered the clerk was giving her a hard time about the deli food and I distinctly heard the lady tell her that she had not had a problem before with purchasing the chicken. But it sure seemed to take a long time and there was some sort of problem cause they had to call in a store manager. I just felt bad for the lady and I could tell how bad she felt. No one likes to see other people embarrassed in a checkout line when they can’t pay.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

pogo

“Jay, in your small way, you do realize that you and your like minded brethren in the liberal press are destroying democracy in your unwillingness to even find just one fault with Obama on either domestic and international issues don’t you?”

Are you really unaware of criticisms Jay’s had of Pres Obama and his administration, or do you willfully ignore facts that don’t support your narrative?

Thomas heyward Jr.

October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

What kind of ID is gonna be required for all this free ObamaCare stuff?
.
Will the progs care?
.
lol

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

Brosephus – I am not finding evidence that voting is legal for non-citizens save for local elections and that in a relatively few jurisdictions, cities and towns.

It’s still illegal for non U.S. citizens to vote in federal or statewide elections, though a handful of jurisdictions around the country have passed measures to allow it in local contests. They include municipalities in Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts and New York. Under the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, federal authorities can deport an alien who falsely claims to be a citizen in order to vote.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/05/voting-rights-illegal-immigrants/

getalife

October 1st, 2012
6:39 pm

RC,

She was a female on food stamps and won a million.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
6:39 pm

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

“Are you really unaware of criticisms Jay’s had of Pres Obama and his administration, or do you willfully ignore facts that don’t support your narrative?”

I think the answer is simple: Yes

josef

October 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

ORANGE

“Congressman West delivers the “Coup De Gras)”

I thought the coup de GRAS was Rushbo’s bailiwick! :-)

….but then given the name of the blog you linked… :-)

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

TD

meant to say “having much more evidence than they are presenting”………… and of course I mean on different issues. I have never been in any lottery discussions on this blog until today

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

New bloomberg poll has Romney more unfavorable than Bush.

All that effort to not mention Bush’s name at the convention and what did it get?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

ragnar danneskjold

October 1st, 2012
6:43 pm

Washington state and Wisconsin both disprove the first sentence, unless our host is affirming that the fraud arose only when the democrats began to count the votes.

getalife

October 1st, 2012
6:44 pm

“BIEBER FEVER: Justin Vomits On Stage…” drudgey spam for scout.

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
6:44 pm

I’ll try to find a link if you want. HUGE Lockheed facility in Ft Worth. Ft Worth paper had a multipage article on new work rules on the line imposed by management. Things like employees go to work when they arrive, not go eat breakfast. Get rid of all the microwaves, coffee pots, etc from employee work areas. Monitoring break times. It went on and on.

I built some stuff at Lockheed at Dobbins in Marietta. There was this old fat, I mean REALLY fat guy that worked there. He came in every morning with grocery sacks. He went to his “work space” where he had a toaster oven, microwave and griddle and proceed to make biscuits. Sausage, link sausage, chicken. Egg and sausage ect…….. he then wrapped them and got on his big three wheeled bicycle and went around selling them to folks at other “work” stations. He took orders. In the 6 month’s I was there I never saw him do any work on any airplane.

Who was his boss? How did they not know? Oh wait, it didn’t matter, they billed for him. They got paid and he got paid……. and he got paid again for his catering business he ran out of his “office.” Did I mention he did lunches too?

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

they both suck,

I have seen fraud in the food stamp program and in medicare and medicaid and have been told about it from customers. I’ve no reason to disbelieve what pogo and moonbat say. I don’t understand why you find this so hard to believe when other programs are rife with fraud.

Tundra dude is a far left guy and just mentioned to me that its common for some people on the food stamp program to sell their benefits at 2/3rds to 3/4s of the cost to relatives or friends. I’ve personally seen this happen. Do you think that tundra dude is lying? Keep in mind he is a far left guy and apparently in his view its commonplace for this type of fraud to occur.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

TC

Is there a reason that you keep presenting opinion pieces in attempts to prove your point as opposed to hard facts and numbers?

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

Towncrier
Is the federal election the
straw poll for the president
where no matter the votes
the candidate still can’t win?
State elections elect electors
to elect the President.
State elections elect
members of Congress.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

Ahem

October 1st, 2012
6:46 pm

53 minutes ago

Battle for presidency remains close in new CNN poll

The poll indicates Democrats overwhelming supporting the president and Republicans overwhelmingly backing Romney, with independent voters going for Romney by a 49%-41% margin, which is within the sampling error for independents.

Maybe within a sampling error, but still 49%-41%…the worm is turning.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
6:47 pm

Thomas heyward Jr.

“What kind of ID is gonna be required for all this free ObamaCare stuff?”

It appears you have your parties mixed up.

It’s Republicans who are opposed to making people responsible for themselves and their families by requiring them to buy their own insurance. Republicans want people to not take care of themselves so they can use emergency rooms and have people with insurance pay for their care.

Try to keep up, okay?

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:49 pm

TD

You can go on and on if it makes you feel better. Pogo, kayaker and moonbat were all asked a simple question and neither could answer……… They said what they did, no one made them say it.

That is very suspicious and the fact that it fits your own narrative doesn’t make something any more true.

You are welcome to lump in fraud elsewhere in attempts to prove your point. I never said it didn’t occur. I did call BS on those three because by mere chance they can’t provide a simple answer to a direct question. Each claims to have seen it or done it themselves, right?

Was it at the Quick Trip, Chevron, in a dream?

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
6:50 pm

I don’t care what you fellers say. I STILL believe Ms. Moonbat. Like I said, she never lied to me before so if she says she bought a lottery ticket on her debit then I believe she bought a lottery ticket onher debit card.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:52 pm

Fred

Could be true. I have never had many interactions with moonbat.

But it seems to be a little fishy in my book, but who knows

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

Towncrier

As I stated earlier, I have not gone through the legal code of all 50 states to see whether or not there is explicit law that makes it illegal for non-citizens to vote. If the person that wrote that did the research and found his/her statement to be true, then so be it. It still does not change the fact that there are places where non-citizens can legally register and cast votes here in the US. That was my point in bringing up the law behind it.

There is no outright and complete ban of non-citizen voter registration. As to their statement about that 1996 Act, we can deport an alien for false claims to citizenship simply for making that claim. They don’t need to do anything other than that to become deportable or inadmissible.

Now, if you want another example of a “Hit Piece”, then look at the title of the article you linked.

Voting Rights For Illegal Immigrants

Then, read the entire article to see where they even mention illegal immigrants. Not one time do they mention San Francisco extending the right to vote to illegal immigrants. In the actual article, they say immigrant, which is what San Fran’s measure would have done.

http://www.immigrantvoting.org/statescurrent/Proposition%20F.html

A supermajority of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has placed a charter amendment on the November 2004 ballot to allow an immigrant parent with a child in our school system to vote in San Francisco school board elections. Voters should support this simple idea for the following reasons:

Immigrant voting has a long history. For the first 150 years of our nation’s history — from 1776 until 1926, 22 states and territories allowed immigrants to vote and even hold office.

Immigrant voting is currently practiced in other cities and countries. Jurisdictions in Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts and New York have passed laws allowing immigrants to vote.

Immigrant voting is legal. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly stated that citizenship is not required to vote. . The California State Constitution protects the right of citizens to vote, but does not exclude immigrants from voting. The California State Constitution’s “home rule” provisions permit charter cities to pass local laws in areas of local concern (such as local elections) that do not mirror state law.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

“Is there a reason that you keep presenting opinion pieces in attempts to prove your point as opposed to hard facts and numbers?”

Just as liberals SUSPECT conservative are trying to SUPPRESS votes, conservatives SUSPECT that liberals are trying to SUPPRESS laws that would cut down on the number of illegal aliens voting in state or national elections (because the majority of them likely vote for Democrats). The articles contain factual evidence of fraud, if you read them. I personally think you have to be pretty naive to think that 1) in our evenly divided nation some races have not been and will not be decided by no more than a few hundred votes and 2) that there are likely hundreds if not thousands of non-citizens that vote illegally in every state.

Do you oppose, in principle, ensuring that only citizens vote in state or national elections? If so, if you dislike current laws, what is YOUR proposal for solving this problem?

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

TBS: I have bought multiple items at stores and also a lottery ticket. Since I KNOW the law, I’ve always given them cash for the ticket and stated so while paying for the rest with my check card. I wonder how many would have sold me the ticket on my card had I not said anything. I think many would. Usually they are either kids (inexperienced) or just plain stupid. Who knows………..

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

they both suck,

Pogo usually just makes 1 or 2 comments and is gone and I think moonbat is the same way and is mostly night crew. Did it occur to you that maybe they just left after a comment or 2 because they didn’t intend to stay and weren’t around long enough to answer your question? And besides what does it matter? They could just make up a convenience store and you would never know the difference so why would they lie to begin with?

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

“I STILL believe Ms. Moonbat”

I applaud your fine, trusting nature…but I can’t emulate it. I assume EVERYTHING said here is, at the very least, distorted…unless it’s confirmed by credible proof. That does, of course, leave out the things clearly identified as opinion.

Orange12

October 1st, 2012
6:57 pm

It’s a shame it’s not a Senate race. From my perspective anyway.

josef

October 1st, 2012
6:57 pm

BOTH

I tend to agree with FRED on moonbat…I’ve never had anything but the most courteous and respectful dialogue with her. We disagree a lot, but I’ve never thought she was untruthful…

josef

October 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

Doggone
@ 6:56

“…EVERYTHING said here is, at the very least, distorted…”

Well, there IS that! :-)

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

TC

Earlier, I stated that anyone can google to see that Democrats and Republicans have been convicted of voter fraud and suppression. Can’t help you, if you missed that.

In that same post, I also mentioned that you nor anyone else can provide factual evidence that one is worse than the other……. However it seems that your take is that Democrats are more of the villain, yet you can’t demonstrate that as fact.

If that is not your take then I apologize, however that is how it comes across

It is election time and folks are getting desperate…………. That has as much or more to do with what is going on than the facts.

Mama Says

October 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

Ok Jay,

So are you saying that voting laws are the only laws that are not violated ?

To my knowledge every law we have on the books is violated.

In the earlier comments someone pointed out the penalty for voting multiple times and asked why someone would take the chance.

That question shows the liberal mentality that causes all of us to pay a price, a price that the individual liberal is unwilling to pay, yet society has to grin and bare it while you guys deny it happens.

Its proven every day that penalties are not generally looked on as a deterrent. From minor traffic laws to capital cases-people break the law.

Every day I see identity thefts come across my desk. Everyday The banks and grocery stores are trying to verify that the person they are taking a financial document from is actually the person they say they are. Every day The Department of Driver Services spends hours upon hours trying to figure out who they really issued a drivers license to. A lot of times they figure out that it was not issued to the person whose name appears on the application. Just today another such case hit my desk. I am not even saying that its illegals doing it. People get drivers licenses in another name because they have restrictions on the one in their real names. Suspended license cases are prosecuted everyday as well is the violation known as “giving a false name to law enforcement”. The truth is people are in our jails under fake names, we don’t know it because they got away with it two or three times and now the have a record under that name. Often they bound out without ever being correctly identified. The cases that do come to light are cases that involve a person who is harmed by the use of their name in a fake name situation. You see if I use Jay Bookman name to sign a traffic ticket, Jay is the one who the courts expect to show up for court. Since we are not fingerprinted in traffic court or when we are ticketed on the side of the road, I can come in and pay the ticket, plead not guilty or any other thing I wish. Jay would never know it. I could do this over and over again under several different names until I get my license suspended. The state, by law would have to notify me of the suspension. If I gave them my correct address I would get the notification, and I would stop using Jays name. If the state actually sent the notification to Jay he would correct it. After a long period of time trying to clear his name he may get his license back, if the officer can remember what the person he cited a year earlier looked like. Either way they will never know it was me, I can move on to the next name I wish to use. I can register for anything I wish with your name. I can get a drivers license, get Costco membership, get credit cards, buy a house. You may never know I have your name then again you may find out — someday, maybe.

To assume that everyone obeys the laws is the very height of blind trust. It goes without saying that if they are getting drivers licenses in fake or fraudulent names they are doing everything else in that fake name.

To ignore this simple fact is to ignore the thousands of cases of unsolved bank fraud and identity theft we know exist. You guys act like some magic ferry comes down and sanctions IDs. Generally you oppose every action that is taken to properly ID people.

To act like illegal voting does not exist is grossly improper and dangerous. To argue that we should protect The US Citizens God given right to cast a ballot and share in his or hers responsibilities to elect their leaders without verifying that they are indeed legally able to cast a ballot is a political tragedy, a tragedy that only politicians can justify as reasonable.

I didn’t support Newt but one thing he said is absolutely and undeniably true. Fraud is rampant. Today’s fraud is largely pulled off with fake identities, stolen SSNs and stolen credit files. The sad thing is we all know this, why else would you password protect your personal info on every account you have if you didn’t believe identity theft is real ?

When you hear that illegal voting cannot be confirmed it is because you never gave your finger print when you registered and you don’t give when you cast a ballot. The voter registration rules are ripe for identity theft. If I can cash a check in your name I will bet my left arm I can vote in your name. Considering the state and or county considers it a good turn out when 30% vote that means 7 out of 10 people would never know I used their name at the ballot box, all I need is your SSN.

They sell those like candy on the street and unfortunately in some businesses that want to sell you a financed item that the real you does not qualify for.

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

I was just watching NBC news and it showed an Afghan school for girls and they interviewed the woman headmaster who looked pretty hot to me. So why the hell do all those old Afghan men look like goblins and ghouls?

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
7:01 pm

Buying a lottery ticket with
a welfare debit card is
putting state money from
one pocket into another.
Who cares?

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:01 pm

HELLO EVERYONE

Three people made an allegation today and couldn’t back up a simple answer.

“Vouching” for them is your business, however based on the dodges and avoidance to the simple answer I call BS………

Orange12

October 1st, 2012
7:02 pm

Fred,
I see you used to work for Lockheed Marietta. C-130? Anyway, those guys are sweating bullets awaiting the results of the Presidential election. Guess which way they’re leaning?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
7:02 pm

Every day I see identity thefts come across my desk. Everyday

Every day I see the wondrous beauties at the bottom of the Marianas trench, because I free dive it. Everyday.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:03 pm

TD

My stance is what is? Damn man……

You are welcome to make up all the excuse for them if you like.

Until each one can back up their assertion it is BS in my book.

PERIOD………………………………

next topic

Jhunt163

October 1st, 2012
7:04 pm

Last time I remembered you didn’t have the right to vote for President. States can make up any kind of rules they want just as long as if they offer a vote they do not deny suffrage to woman, minorities, and anyone over 18 years of age. States have in the past cast a slate of electors without even having a vote in their general population.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:05 pm

They could just make up a convenience store and you would never know the difference so why would they lie to begin with?
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It is done here all the time…………..

You been here longer than I. You have noticed yet?

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

Rampant voter fraud is
damn near impossible.
Anyone who thinks it is
happening has not been
involved in the process.

Jay

October 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:07 pm

I went to the liquor store on Friday and a lady purchased Crown, Jack and Don Julio along with 50 dollars of lottery on an EBT card………………………..

It happened.

Why would I lie?

Mama Says

October 1st, 2012
7:07 pm

Kam,

What are you really saying please ?

I’d theft never happens ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
7:07 pm

Sucky Wall Street. SHEETS!

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:10 pm

TD

And so you know if you actually read all of the posts, both mb and pogo posted after JHM and myself brought up the same issue

So your lame excuse about them leaving is void

maybe you have another one?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
7:11 pm

Towncrier — “Just as liberals SUSPECT conservative are trying to SUPPRESS votes, conservatives SUSPECT that liberals are trying to SUPPRESS laws that would cut down on the number of illegal aliens voting in state or national elections (because the majority of them likely vote for Democrats).

So the conservative position you’re articulating appears to be as follows:

We SUSPECT (without evidence) liberals of circumventing the law (without evidence) in order to gain additional votes from a population of people that we SUSPECT (without evidence) would vote for Democrats if given the chance.

That sum it up accurately?

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
7:12 pm

“As I stated earlier, I have not gone through the legal code of all 50 states to see whether or not there is explicit law that makes it illegal for non-citizens to vote. If the person that wrote that did the research and found his/her statement to be true, then so be it. It still does not change the fact that there are places where non-citizens can legally register and cast votes here in the US. That was my point in bringing up the law behind it.”

As far as I can tell thus far, it is limited and local suffrage only – not for state-wide elections. I will keep researching. But if what I have found is true, then one question that comes to mind is how do states differentiate between local and state elections and the voters rolls for each? Has this even been investigated or looked at? Is it possible for someone on local rolls to be automatically added to state rolls? Knowing governmental inefficiency and clumsiness, that is what makes allowing non-citizens to vote for anything problematic. If there were a sure fire way to guarantee non-citizens could only vote in local elections, then I guess it would be okay.

“Then, read the entire article to see where they even mention illegal immigrants. Not one time do they mention San Francisco extending the right to vote to illegal immigrants. In the actual article, they say immigrant, which is what San Fran’s measure would have done.”

They say (in the politically correct fashion) “non-citizen immigrants” which, statistically speaking, will certainly include illegal immigrants. Or do you want to argue that those “1 in 3 households with children in public schools …headed by parents who aren’t citizens” are ALL legal immigrants?

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
7:13 pm

Mama–there is no hope to sway a paranoid partisan such as yourself. Nonetheless, let me point out that many of the activities which you illustrate as examples of where identity theft and fraud occur: (1) allow folks to access their services and products through the use of a credit card;(2) none require proof of citizenship as many voter ID laws require; and, (3) none require you to go many miles, having to leave work and at great expense to verify your right to use their card. If they did so, no one would use their card. The question for them is how much fraud is there and can they prevent any substantial amount with the electronic screening methods they have. That plus most people are honest and for those that might be tempted, they risk being charged with a crime. Apparently, it has worked pretty good for our credit card companies; why not use same techniques with voting? No lines, no large bureaucracies, quick election results. Could it be that you really prefer disenfranchising those who are “not worthy” of voting in your opinion?

Fred ™

October 1st, 2012
7:14 pm

Thulsa Doom

October 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

I was just watching NBC news and it showed an Afghan school for girls and they interviewed the woman headmaster who looked pretty hot to me. So why the hell do all those old Afghan men look like goblins and ghouls?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From trying to satisfy them wimmins………

Jack

October 1st, 2012
7:17 pm

Just be sure to vote. Not voting got us Obama.

They BOTH suck

October 1st, 2012
7:19 pm

Just be sure to vote. Not voting got us Obama.

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Except for the fact that more people voted in 08 than ever before, you might have a point

But carry on with the talking points

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
7:21 pm

Women not voting is always good news for Republicans. And why in 2010 we got the neocons back in congress.

But rest assured that the sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis are not going to make that mistake this time, Jack…

Mama Says

October 1st, 2012
7:24 pm

Brane,

Tell you what. Go to your local courthouse and read the pending court calendars, heck you can look at most of them online. You will see how many people use fake names and how many people steal your identity.

I never said everyone was dishonest but by your assertion you admit all are not.

I only pointed out the rampant identity theft that takes place, you can draw your own conclusions. We will see what you thnk if you very become a victim of it. Hope u never are.

As Far as voting, you can call me partisan all you like you still fail to recognize the issue. If I can get locked up using your name I can vote using your name. It’s really simple I have no idea why you guys act like it dosent happen.

By the way post your credit card account numbers, we will see how much faith you have in the good people.

One more thing. If you knew what you were talking about as far as credit card companies you may have a point. The fact is banks and credit card companies have a limit which they set before they report credit and ID theft to the police. The credit companies report billions of fraudulent identity theft write offs each year. In other words the credit card companies like the system because we the people give them a tax break in the amount of fraud they report to th federal government. He’ll who wouldn’t think that worked well. They get the profit we get the fraud, via the write off.

Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
7:31 pm

“So the conservative position you’re articulating appears to be as follows:

We SUSPECT (without evidence) liberals of circumventing the law (without evidence) in order to gain additional votes from a population of people that we SUSPECT (without evidence) would vote for Democrats if given the chance.

That sum it up accurately?”

No, grasshopper. It would be more like this:

We SUSPECT liberals of circumventing not wanting to enforce or implement a law (with evidence provided by their almost universal opposition to efforts to prevent non-citizen voting) in order to gain additional votes from a population of people that we SUSPECT (based on statistically proven minority voting patterns) would vote for Democrats if given the chance.

To reiterate some of the claims of fraud cited in the articles you apparently glossed over:

Of the 1,600 registered illegals in Miami-Dade County thus far identified, around two-thirds have actually cast ballots.”

=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/4/illegal-voters-the-winning-edge/

There are many examples but one notable one is the 1996 congressional race in California, which was won by Democrat Loretta Sanchez. She won by 979 votes. Her opponent challenged her election in the U.S. House of Representatives. The House asked its Oversight Committee to see how many voters in that election were non-citizens. The committee went to the agency then known as the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which checked its database and found that there were 624 non-citizens who had voted in the election and whose votes were invalid. However, the House dismissed the challenge because 624 votes would not have changed the results…

In California, the secretary of state reported in 1998 that between 2,000 and 3,000 individuals summoned for jury duty in Orange County each month claimed an exemption from jury service because they were not U.S. citizens. Eighty-five percent of those people were chosen from the voter registration list.

=http://www.ctlawtribune.com/PubArticleCT.jsp?id=1202556948954&Editorial_Should_NonCitizens_Be_Allowed_To_Vote&slreturn=20120901181223

As was the case in other states, Michigan’s review of voter lists uncovered a significant number of ineligible voters. Investigators examined a sample of 58,000 driver’s license and ID card records and found 963 non-citizens registered to vote. Of these, 54 had voted a total of 95 times.

=http://www.cis.org/vaughan/non-citizen-voting-suits-spread-michigan

Now, since you went to the trouble of mentioning that the 177/68 figures I cited before had been “debunked”, please show where these other claims have likewise been debunked.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

October 1st, 2012
7:38 pm

Once again, Jay – you must have valid ID to accomplish most transactions in this country. Why not ID for the most important? If you really want to vote, and yet have no drivers license, etc., and can not take the time to acquire some form of ID, why should you be allowed to vote? Why does this bother only Democrats? Answer – they are the ones that need to cheat to win.

Jay

October 1st, 2012
7:44 pm

Of the 1,600 registered illegals in Miami-Dade County thus far identified, around two-thirds have actually cast ballots.”

Wrong once again, Towncrier. As of June, more than 500 of those 1,600 alleged “illegals” had already presented evidence of their citizenship and thus their eligibility to vote. I’m sure that many more have done so since. Now, given recent history, I know that you will now state that it doesn’t matter that you were wildly wrong, because somehow you have the higher truth on your side, or some such nonsense.

You are not interested in the truth at all.

Mike1776

October 1st, 2012
8:05 pm

The Republican Party has been using baseless allegations of voting fraud by Democrats as it excuse for a wide range of voter suppression initiatives designed to disqualify or intimidate American citizens from voting.

Now it turns out that voting fraud HAS been taking place after all — voting fraud by the Republican Party. This revelation has got to be devastating to the Republican Party’s chances in this election. No rational person can now fail to see how far a once-great political party, the the GOP, has fallen into deception and depravity, led astray by the immoral “anything goes” unscrupulousness of sleazy characters of the Karl Rove, Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay or Lyin’ Ryan type.

Dave Francis

October 1st, 2012
9:42 pm

Whether its allegedly true on not of voter fraud from the GOP, they only have to check under voter fraud that the Democrats have provided on a grand scale. That’s why I am voting for Mitt Romney, so that more TEA PARTY leaders can be absorbed into the most corrupt parties for years. I neither trust the Republicans or Democrats, but more in harmony with the moderate Conservatives not the GOP elites or the Liberal Marxist Socialist, which are out to turn our beloved sovereign nation over to the United nations. The UN is as rotten as the two parties and not satisfied with the 10 billion dollars, but want a global tax on every country.

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Towncrier

October 1st, 2012
11:51 pm

“Wrong once again, Towncrier. As of June, more than 500 of those 1,600 alleged “illegals” had already presented evidence of their citizenship and thus their eligibility to vote.”

Care to provide evidence of this, bud?

“I’m sure that many more have done so since.”

Yeah…just as I thought…illegals don’t vote in your “alternative universe”. How about the 624 identified by the House of Representives Oversight Committee in the Sanchez race. Got any “refutation” of those number or did you conveniently pass over the other asserted claims of fraud I cited? And did you get the point made by one of the election officials in the NBC report I cited that unless they are tipped, they really have no way to identify non-citizens voting? Or did that slide out of your consciousness? Now…what actual proof do you have that non-citizens are not voting illegally? That not many have been prosecuted for it? Is THAT your argument? Why don’t you try to refute the argument advanced by Foster in another article I linked earlier:

Only two states actually require proof of citizenship in order to register (Arizona and Kansas). The others merely require the applicant sign a sworn statement attesting to the fact that he or she is a citizen. But this is what is asked, and routinely perjured, on the I-9 Form. Thus, it follows that false claims of citizenship in order to register to vote should be widespread. There are some media reports of non-citizens voting, but generally, the media have not investigated the problem in any depth compared to their obsession with the insurmountable problem Republicans will have with Hispanic “voters.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/democrats-benefit-from-illegal-immigrants-voting_b_1418523.html

“Now, given recent history, I know that you will now state that it doesn’t matter that you were wildly wrong, because somehow you have the higher truth on your side, or some such nonsense.”

1100/1600 is not “wildly wrong” there, bud. Unless you have a threshold of about 1000 or so you’d tolerate.

“You are not interested in the truth at all.”

Funny, I was thinking the same thing of you.

Let’s grant my premise, Jay: a certain number of non-citizens vote illegally each election. Given that, and given that the majority of non-citizens are minorities, which way do you think they are likely to vote? Hmm? Just take a guess. And THAT is really why YOU don’t want to concede that non-citizens are voting illegally. I can see no other reason. Here is a principle for you: not a SINGLE person should be voting who is not legally entitled to do so. Here is the liberal schtick in response: we can’t really try to enforce such a thing because of this or that or the other “reason”. So let’s give lip service to the principle while throwing up our hands in defeat.

yuzeyurbrane

October 1st, 2012
11:52 pm

Mama–how much money do you stand to make by voting with someone else’s name at the risk of a felony conviction? how much money do you stand to make by using someone else’s credit at the risk of a felony conviction? There lies the answer to your paranoid posturing. You are comparing apples and oranges. Also, isn’t voter registration the better stage at which to assure voters are qualified? It requires more proof of eligibility, it happens far enough in advance of election day for any who doubt the legitimacy of the registration to challenge it and for the challenged voter to respond, and it does not have to be repeated every election after the initial registration. Isn’t that the purpose of voter registration? For the first 110 years of our republic, we had no voter registration at all and voter registration was implemented to stop fraud (although it was quickly subverted by racist Southerners as a tool to cleverly disenfranchise blacks). Race discrimination had pretty much removed from the system after the 1964 Voting Rights Act. Why do you want to reinstate that?

Jay

October 2nd, 2012
7:30 am

““Wrong once again, Towncrier. As of June, more than 500 of those 1,600 alleged “illegals” had already presented evidence of their citizenship and thus their eligibility to vote.”

Care to provide evidence of this, bud?

It’s quite easily documentable, Crier. But since you have shown yourself oblivious to facts and evidence, making even the minimal effort needed to do so is clearly useless.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 2nd, 2012
8:39 am

Towncrier — “No, grasshopper.”

Okay, Richard.

“It would be more like this:”

We SUSPECT liberals of circumventing not wanting to enforce or implement a law (with evidence provided by their almost universal opposition to efforts to prevent non-citizen voting)”

Denied. Universal opposition does not constitute evidence.

” in order to gain additional votes from a population of people that we SUSPECT (based on statistically proven minority voting patterns) would vote for Democrats if given the chance.”

Denied. You’re conflating minorities with illegals. You do realize that an undocumented alien can be of ANY race, right? And you also realize that a person’s race is not the sole determinant of how they vote, right? You really are making this too easy. (laughing) :D

“To reiterate some of the claims of fraud cited in the articles you apparently glossed over:”

I didn’t gloss over them. I simply don’t give them any credence, as they don’t advance your muddled argument.

“Of the 1,600 registered illegals in Miami-Dade County thus far identified, around two-thirds have actually cast ballots.”

Non-responsive to your earlier stated argument.

“There are many examples but one notable one is the 1996 congressional race in California, which was won by Democrat Loretta Sanchez. She won by 979 votes. Her opponent challenged her election in the U.S. House of Representatives. The House asked its Oversight Committee to see how many voters in that election were non-citizens. The committee went to the agency then known as the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which checked its database and found that there were 624 non-citizens who had voted in the election and whose votes were invalid. However, the House dismissed the challenge because 624 votes would not have changed the results…”

Not seeing your problem there. Once the voting non-citizens have been identified, that’s no longer a matter for the House Oversight Committee; it’s a matter for the INS (now ICE).

“In California, the secretary of state reported in 1998 that between 2,000 and 3,000 individuals summoned for jury duty in Orange County each month claimed an exemption from jury service because they were not U.S. citizens. Eighty-five percent of those people were chosen from the voter registration list.”

As has been pointed out several times in this thread, being on the voter registration list does not prove that a given non-citizen has actually voted.

“As was the case in other states, Michigan’s review of voter lists uncovered a significant number of ineligible voters. Investigators examined a sample of 58,000 driver’s license and ID card records and found 963 non-citizens registered to vote. Of these, 54 had voted a total of 95 times.”

Then that’s a matter for the state and county election officials to deal with, but again, it seems non-responsive to your argument. Where’s the evidence that “liberals” are blocking efforts to scrub the voter registration rolls?

“Now, since you went to the trouble of mentioning that the 177/68 figures I cited before had been “debunked”, please show where these other claims have likewise been debunked.”

Please show me where I claimed to have debunked your reiterated claims above. (laughing) :D

Chip

October 2nd, 2012
9:07 am

“would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote…” I was not aware that American citizens had a constitutional right to vote. Can you clarify?

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