Dissecting the GOP’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud
And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None.
Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy — the same universe in which Mitt Romney is up 10 points in “unskewed” polling — they are somehow absolutely certain that it occurs, and these supposed “small-government” types are equally certain that new regulations and state bureaucracies all across the country are necessary to prevent it.
This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving poor people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and conservative media are eager to provide it.
Second — whether by intention or happy circumstance — the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification. In Pennsylvania, for example, the state officially estimated that some 759,000 perfectly eligible voters did not possess and identification of the type required by a new state law.
And in Ohio, Republicans are in court insisting that provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct because of mistakes by polling workers must be tossed out and not counted. in other words, through no fault of their own, legally registered voters who did everything by the book would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote. Only a cynic would suggest that the GOP position is driven by the fact that such mistakes occur far more often in more Democratic urban areas, where precincts are much smaller and tightly drawn, making confusion more likely. It’s not an insignificant problem — in 2008, the state tossed 14,355 such ballots, Bloomburg reports.
In fact, the closest we have to evidence of attempted large-scale vote fraud in the current election cycle is a scandal involving a Republican company hired by the Republican National Committee to conduct voter-registration drives in four swing states, including Florida and Colorada.
In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.
Even in this specific case, however, there is no evidence that false registrations were generated in an attempt to alter election outcomes. The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register. The phantom voters thus created were not going to turn up at the polls attempting to vote.
However, other aspects of the Strategic Alliance effort might be more troubling. Voter registration is supposed to be nonpartisan, with voters of all inclinations allowed to register. In the past, however, registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.
Those voters would believe themselves properly registered, only to show up at the voting booth with no record that they had done so. A recent videotape of a Strategic Alliance registration worker outside a Colorado grocery store suggests there may be some basis to those fears:
– Jay Bookman
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Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
If pogo was so outraged, wouldn’t he have turned the offending retailer in? Or perhaps remembered what retailer it was?
No, remember the point of the story…it’s “us libs” and Obama who are responsible for this woman buying lottery tickets in this unknown location with her mystery LeechCard.
Not the store owner (who related this story) that accepts the LeechCard when it’s illegal, he’s a hard-working conservative Republican. He’s forced to accept this leechy money. Because, um, well…it’s her and the lib’ruls and most of all OBAMA’S fault.
No wonder Pogo evaporated faster the balance on a LeechCard in one of these stores.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
Towncrier — “And you provided evidence to the contrary (as did I think one other poster). I haven’t the time to investigate the matter in depth, but was willing to stipulate only 38 being charged with fraud.”
That’s not what you said earlier. You said 38 *instances* of fraud. Since you were insisting on splitting hairs earlier, I’m going to split some for you now.
I don’t find a *charge* of fraud to be an *instance* of fraud. A conviction is, IMO, an *instance* of fraud. If someone’s charged but not convicted, then no *instance* of fraud has taken place, now has it?
“How is that a “deflection” (as in not even addressing what someone else has posted but throwing up a red herring or making a joke and the like)?”
TC, you’ve been twisting around with numbers all afternoon, not to mention the fact that a couple of people had already posted that debunked crap ahead of you. The fact of the matter is that you bought right into Fund and von Spakovsky’s dishonesty and tried to represent it as *evidentiary* without, apparently, having done the least bit of research into it before posting it.
“See above. Jay and liberals want to pretend that there are people voting who shouldn’t be (like non-citizens) and so they argue there is little evidence of in person voter fraud without ANY analysis of efforts made to uncover such fraud. The NBC report I linked to indicates that the only way they can know to investigate it is from tips. And it showed evidence of several non-citizens voting. That proves it happens and it it is undetected. No one can say how big the problem is.”
You’re not paying attention to what Jay’s saying, yet you’re claiming to know exactly what he means. This is exactly what you did to me in our first substantive discussion, when you accused me of adhering to Lembcke’s position when I happen to agree with only *one* of his four arguments. IMO, you need to check yourself and your evidence out a lot more closely before going out on the limbs you seem to like so much.
josef
October 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
K’CHAK
“Just today, I had to walk 15 miles barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways to buy a lottery ticket with food stamps.”
No easy task dressed in a prom burka…
alittlecommonsense
October 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
Granny – In six pages has any righty condemned the video above?
Yeah, I will condemn the lefty behind the camera. She seems like a real sweetheart doesn’t she, “honey bunch”.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
Crier, after all your manipulations and misstatements and claims that your bald misstatements somehow don’t matter, the bottom line remains the same: “Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.” Period.
I vote Republican (usually). I have provided evidence of non-citizens voting illegally. That is fraud. Other conservatives have as well. But I do not assume – as you apparently do without a thought – that they are NOT attempting to “alter [an] election outcome” by doing so. I will concede, however, that I do not have a crystal ball like you seem to and so cannot “divine” the intention of these voters (I cannot know, after all, that they voted for someone because they wanted them in office instead of their opponents). Try again.
getalife
October 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
Watching how other Americans pay for their purchases is creepy.
I think the gop and their cons have turned into a hate cult.
Too bad they can’t focus on jobs like they focus on spying on Americans.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
josef
Thanks for your synopsis on the speech. Of course you have their the varying semantics and wording as well as delivery style, but appears they are on the same page. Pretty close to what we have discussed in the past
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
joe mama,
I just don’t think people want to get involved in reporting small time illegalites- either out of fear of retaliation or because they just don’t feel its worth their time and that nothing is going to happen to the offender anyway. Unfortunately I have people that tell me about medicare and medicaid fraud all the time but invariably when I ask them if they would like to report it they state that they don’t want to get involved.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
Kam .. .. Can I ask u a question about some wood?
Sure, you can ask but I may not have an answer. Fred is around so he can help out if he’s a mind to.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
josef
October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
Off Topic, a bit…but has anybody heard from midori? I hope she’s okay…
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I haven’t but while I may be with a topic for several hours I also miss topics where she might have showed up. (Shown up?)
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:32 pm
Doom — “Better lump me into that group also.”
If you wish.
“And yourself and everyone else. I see people barrelling down the interstate everyday going 80+ or more but being the bad person that I am I just don’t pick up the cell and call the police to tattle on the multitiudes of people I see doing it.”
Pogo presented a variant of your old argument; he claimed to have seen a woman using an EBT benefits card to buy lottery tickets. Several people here don’t believe him, as the GA Lottery Commission doesn’t *permit* the use of plastic to buy lottery products. Moonbat Betty claims that she’s done it, but can’t or won’t say where.
So if pogo thought what that woman did was so horrible, why wouldn’t he turn that retailer in?
“Most people just don’t have the time or wherewithall to deal with the red tape of reporting every little illegality that goes on in everyday life. If you did you would never get anything done in your own life.”
Given how indignant pogo seemed about it, I don’t think he felt it was so *little.*
USMC
October 1st, 2012
5:32 pm
US Attorney General Eric Holder’s Ballot to Vote Offered To James O’Keefe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXzTI_qyJA8
As usual, JAY totes the Party Line given to him by the Political Operatives in the democRat Party.
Jay Bookman’s lack of honesty is sad.
bman
October 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
Kam .. .. I’ve had some Pergo wood flooring for years. Still in the box. I suppose my mother wants it for something. Do you know if it can be painted?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
M. Huggins — “I mean if you disagree with it and you don’t report it well you are just lying about it ever happening.”
If you say so.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
I am gay friendly, you know… “some of my best friends are…” well not really, but you get my drift.
Try as you might but you STILL ain’t getting josef’s last Bud Light………
as to your 5:22? If we roll on the 3 dollar cafe we can be 4 or 5 pitchers of Natty light into the wind before the game starts………..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
josef
Prom burkas are soooooo yesterday.
Today it’s all about secret ballet voting and the proper attire is tutus. I haven’t seen the huge __________ lady at the Whole Foods trying to buy secret ballet tuts with her food stamps, but I’m sure I will.
USMC
October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
“Too bad they can’t focus on jobs like they focus on spying on Americans.”–Getalife
Well, we need you and your Bengal Tigers to focus on the Gators this Saturday!
Geaux Dawgs!
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
bman
October 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
Kam .. .. I’ve had some Pergo wood flooring for years. Still in the box. I suppose my mother wants it for something. Do you know if it can be painted?
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Anything can be painted……….
USMC
October 1st, 2012
5:36 pm
“as to your 5:22? If we roll on the 3 dollar cafe we can be 4 or 5 pitchers of Natty light into the wind before the game starts………..”–Fred
Now you’re talking, glad to see you are back on your meds, Freds!
getalife
October 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
USMC,
We beat Washington that beat Stanford so I think we can beat Florida.
LSU will step up their game Saturday.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
bman
Pergo flooring is a pre-finished product, so I imagine paint would have a hard time adhering to the laminate.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
Did ya’ll see the front page? Honey boo boo got a raise……..
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
“You’re not paying attention to what Jay’s saying, yet you’re claiming to know exactly what he means.”
I was paying close attention to what Jay was arguing. It is a straw man argument: there is not evidence that voter fraud conspiracies exist so let’s pretend in person voter fraud does not exist. I have provided evidence that non-citizens are voting. If there are doing so in even relatively small numbers, the real conspiracy is liberals wanting to ignore it is happening.
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
Towncrier
The reasons my statements varied is because I was going from memory while trying to track down the actual federal statute. You have your choice for references, as I have mine. When talking about law, I try to back it up with the actual law as written.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/87129.pdf
9 FAM 40.104
UNLAWFUL VOTERS
INA 212(A)(10)(D)
(10) Miscellaneous
(D) Unlawful Voters
(i) In general
Any alien who has voted in violation of any Federal, State, or local constitutional provision, statute, ordinance, or regulation is inadmissible.
(ii) Exception
In the case of an alien who voted in a Federal, State, or local election (including an initiative, recall, or referendum) in violation of a lawful restriction of voting to citizens, if each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization), the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16, and the alien reasonably believed at the time of such violation that he or she was a citizen, the alien shall not be considered to be inadmissible under any provision of this subsection based on such violation.
My initial statement was incorrect, and that’s why I made the second statement based on what I found in my notebooks. As long as the law allows it, voting by non-citizens is allowed. I know for certain that it is not allowed on the federal level anywhere. I can’t assert with definite proof that the same applies to the state or local level as I don’t have the laws for all 50 states, how ever many counties, and cities in this country.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:38 pm
bman
Pergo flooring is a pre-finished product, so I imagine paint would have a hard time adhering to the laminate.
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Rough it up and expoxy paint it like a cement floor.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm
Doom — “I just don’t think people want to get involved in reporting small time illegalites- either out of fear of retaliation or because they just don’t feel its worth their time and that nothing is going to happen to the offender anyway. Unfortunately I have people that tell me about medicare and medicaid fraud all the time but invariably when I ask them if they would like to report it they state that they don’t want to get involved.”
Doom, consider the facts. It would cost the retailer most or all of his per-ticket profit to accept card swipes for lottery products. So where’s the value-add for doing it? If the retailer wouldn’t make money doing it, why risk angering the lottery commission and losing your authorization to sell them in the first place?
Besides, it’s a fairly simple matter to look at a Point of Sale terminal’s transaction log and see which ones were cash txns and which were card txns. Therefore, it’d be pretty easy for the lottery commission to spot retailers who were doing it.
It would hurt your profits to do it. It’s easy to get caught. And there’s a lot of downside if you do happen to get caught at it. So why do it at all?
The story just doesn’t wash, IMO.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm
“so I imagine paint would have a hard time adhering to the laminate.”
I would think it would have to be sanded…but why paint it?
Orange12
October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm
Unrelated but—-
Congressman West delivers the “Coup De Gras)
http://theworldofgreasywrench.blogspot.com/2012/09/col-allen-wests-latest-campaign-ad.html
Willydoit?
October 1st, 2012
5:40 pm
In this day and age of technology, why do we even have to go the polls to vote anyways? Just send every person over the age of 18 with a valid social security number a ballot from their district and let them mail in back in…or better yet, log in and vote online.
This way, no ID is required of anybody!
USMC
October 1st, 2012
5:41 pm
“We beat Washington that beat Stanford so I think we can beat Florida.
LSU will step up their game Saturday.”–Getalife
Brother, you get us that win and we will get you that sip of Crown you been asking for!
Geaux Tigers! (against the Gators)
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
Brospehus – gotta run. But I will look for your response to my post @ 4:55 pm.
josef
October 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
K’CHAK
Thanks for the update…have to keep current… secret ballet voting…that’s a keeper!
BOTH
Just my take…now, that graphic? Whee…check out the Israeli press on that one…
FRED
I don’t like gay people much myself!
As for showed/shown…I go for shown, but I keep seeing showed more and more…OREP? What do you say if you’re about…?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
Fred
That would do it.
But why not just install vinyl flooring?
Much cheaper and not as involved a process.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:43 pm
Towncrier — “I was paying close attention to what Jay was arguing. It is a straw man argument: there is not evidence that voter fraud conspiracies exist so let’s pretend in person voter fraud does not exist.”
That’s not what he’s saying.
“I have provided evidence that non-citizens are voting.”
By your own admission, you have done no such thing. You remember that “if” that got so much attention a page or two ago?
“If there are doing so in even relatively small numbers, the real conspiracy is liberals wanting to ignore it is happening.”
That reminds me — I need to pick up some tinfoil at Kroger on the way home. You know, before you buy it all to make a big ol’ beanie for yourself.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
5:44 pm
Doom, consider the facts.
Thank the non-existent deity we have a con that actually might consider the facts. Doomy’s still young, though. The other cons will beat that outa him eventually.
bman
October 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
Fred – Kam
Thanks. One things for sure. I will be needing a fancy toolbelt
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
5:47 pm
“Pogo presented a variant of your old argument; he claimed to have seen a woman using an EBT benefits card to buy lottery tickets. Several people here don’t believe him, as the GA Lottery Commission doesn’t *permit* the use of plastic to buy lottery products.”
Doesn’t matter what the GA lottery commission permits. I’m certain some convenience store retail clerks either forget, don’t care, or don’t know sometimes when they’re doing hundreds of transactions a day. And if you do report it then how do you even know it would be investigated. It would be like Hoover dam starting to spring a leak and you putting your thumb in it thinking you can stop it.
“Moonbat Betty claims that she’s done it, but can’t or won’t say where.”
Would it really matter even if she does remember the name of the particular convenience store or its address? Its much ado about nothing and this type of small type fraud happens regularly. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this happens on a regular basis.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
“or better yet, log in and vote online”
That would make in person fraud pale in comparison.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
TD
As I mentioned, it could be occurring.
What is not a coincidence and you are “kidding yourself” if you think it is, that 3 people made the allegation, but not one stated where it occurred.
Come on now.
Willydoit?
October 1st, 2012
5:52 pm
“That would make in person fraud pale in comparison.”
So, fraud is a problem? Hmm, better check those ID’s then.
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
5:53 pm
So why did the report prompt two election supervisors to take action?
The answer could be for any number of reasons. They may have taken action to cover their butts for not taking care of the voter registration list as required by law. They could have been taking action to see if there was legal sufficiency for the people to vote. Who knows unless you ask them why.
Is it a “hit piece” because it goes against what you believe?
No. I called it a “hit piece” because it comes off as one-sided. There is no attempt to educate the listeners to the actual law as it is written where the activities took place. They seem like they started out with the premise of illegal activity and then worked backwards to try to prove themselves right.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
5:53 pm
“So, fraud is a problem”
Only to the conned.
Paul
October 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
josef
Thanks for your take. As much as the talking heads made fun of the graphic, it did make the point. In a memorable way. So he did do what he set out to do.
We’ve a good number of the Massive Ordnance Penetrators and as far as I can tell, mods on some are in place. Always thought there’d be a lot of talk while the weapon that could end the talk was readied.
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
Small must be the new microscopic.
Republicans do crack me up though.
They are the only organization on the planet who can take an non-issue like voter fraud – that the Democrats, frankly do not handle very well – and turn it into an advantage.
For the Democrats!
Lordy be, the stupid…
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
Kam: I don’t know why one would want to paint pergo lol. I wasn’t answering that question. Seems like a LOT of effort for something thta won’t turn out right. It’s like that Crocodile Dundee line, Yeah you can eat it but it tastes like sht.
Bman? Why do you want to paint pergo?
JHM: If Moonbat Betty says she bought a lottery ticket with a debit card then she bought a ticket with a debit card. I’ve never had her say anything for me to doubt her integrity or honor. Her SANITY at times lol but not her word………….
I think with a little more effort I can get her to admit she is more of an independent and less of a Republican than she currently admits to……..
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Aquagirl,
I’m only young at heart. My old ass is getting crankier every day, my back is sore, my knee hurts, and if I work out tonight I’ll find some other ailment to bytch about.
The leechcard comment is kinda funny though but reminds me of a story. I was behind an elderly woman the other week at Walmark using her card. It created some kind of a big delay though. She got some chicken from the deli part of the store and they wouldn’t let her pay for it with her card since it was considered restaurant food. This went on for about 10 minutes and I think the cashier was even inspectring her candy apples and trying to tell her that she probably couldn’t get those either. The rest of her groceries were normal everyday stuff and I don’t have an issue with her getting a very small treat like the candy apples or a cheap deli meal. Very nice lady though and she felt bad about holding up the line. She even started helping me pick up my groceries and carry them to the next checkout line which I didn’t think was necessary. I dunno but it seemed to me that the cashier was unnecessarily embarrassing the old woman so I thought that was a display of youngster rudeness. As much as I dislike waste, fraud, and abuse in our various systems I’ve no problem with people like this lady getting the help she needs.
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Paul: Each interview confirms my suspicion that, to do what they say they want to do, the middle and the top tier’s going to end up paying more under Romney’s plan.
Either that, or they’re gonna squeeze more from the bottom of the stack and work their way up until they get the balance they claim. Either way, they are not going to come out and state the truth. That’s something we’re in total agreement with.
pogo
October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
The Obama administration is now telling defense contractors not to issue lay off notices created by his budget until after the election and that the government will pick up the tab for those terminations after the election if they don’t tell those people in jeopardy that they are about to be without a job. Yep, Obama is one fine individual who cares about the working man. In reality, he has no morals (or brains) at all. His whole administration is built solely upon spending taxpayers dollars to placte the entitlement minded factions within his base. But guess what; there is no money to pay for all of this. If he taxes all he can it still won’t pay for what it takes to keep his mindless entitlement minions happy. This shell game can only go on for another year or so and then his adoring fans such as Jay are going to turn on him. I hope you sycophants choke on Obama and make no mistake, you will when you wake up one day and find that you can’t have what you are used to getting from the taxpayer and that Obama has no choice to make terrible cuts to the “Safety Net”. He is playing a fools game here but of course he has fools following him so they will get what they deserve.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Doom — “Doesn’t matter what the GA lottery commission permits.”
It does it you want to keep selling lottery tickets.
“I’m certain some convenience store retail clerks either forget, don’t care, or don’t know sometimes when they’re doing hundreds of transactions a day. And if you do report it then how do you even know it would be investigated. It would be like Hoover dam starting to spring a leak and you putting your thumb in it thinking you can stop it.”
I know that you know what a medical FSA card is, Doom. How do you think those cards know whether or not any particular purchase is permissible?
“Would it really matter even if she does remember the name of the particular convenience store or its address? Its much ado about nothing”
Tell pogo that, then. He’s the one who got all bent out of shape over it.
“and this type of small type fraud happens regularly. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this happens on a regular basis.”
I’m going to bookmark this discussion and remind you of it the next time you get exercised about some indignity or other.
josef
October 1st, 2012
6:02 pm
PAUL
I don’t think the red line was missed by the mullahocrats…
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
6:02 pm
pogo — (incoherent jibber-jabber SNIPPED)
Hey, dude, the Lottery Commission called. You won the Powerball. They want you to come pick up your check.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
6:04 pm
The Obama administration is now telling defense contractors not to issue lay off notices…
drudgey spam.
CHARGE: WH refusal to send lay-off notices to defense employees ‘patently illegal’…
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
6:05 pm
As much as I dislike waste, fraud, and abuse in our various systems I’ve no problem with people like this lady getting the help she needs.
I’m telling you Doom, keep up your con ways and you’ll be screeching about that woman like she was a terrorist trying to buy nukes.
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
6:06 pm
“Doom, consider the facts. It would cost the retailer most or all of his per-ticket profit to accept card swipes for lottery products. So where’s the value-add for doing it? If the retailer wouldn’t make money doing it, why risk angering the lottery commission and losing your authorization to sell them in the first place?”
Joe mama,
Greed and stupidity are 2 main reasons they would do it. And I suspect a third reason is because they probably know they’ll never get caught or get audited so to go with that they have no fear of consequence. Besides you ought to know how evil them bidness men are.
“Besides, it’s a fairly simple matter to look at a Point of Sale terminal’s transaction log and see which ones were cash txns and which were card txns. Therefore, it’d be pretty easy for the lottery commission to spot retailers who were doing it.”
Yep. But they probably have little if any fear of being audited. And if they did get caught then perhaps they think they would just get a slap on the wrist.
“It would hurt your profits to do it. It’s easy to get caught. And there’s a lot of downside if you do happen to get caught at it. So why do it at all?”
For the reasons I just mentioned. Never underestimate greed, stupidity, or just plain laziness when it comes to adhering to rules.
Paul
October 1st, 2012
6:07 pm
pogo
Near as I could tell, you’re upset at Pres Obama for wanting to keep all those entitlement-expecting, make-work, you owe me a living defense contractors and their employees on the gov’t payroll.
F. Sinkwich
October 1st, 2012
6:07 pm
Another day, another endorsement for O’bozo:
“Hugo Chavez, the socialist president of Venezuela, told state television: “I hope this doesn’t harm Obama, but if I was from the United States, I’d vote for Obama.”"
Next up, Ahmadinejad!
Babagonoosh
October 1st, 2012
6:08 pm
“…have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes”
Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated? Requiring voter ID to prevent election fraud is a common sense proactive measure to ensure the integrity of the ballot.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
6:05 pm
As much as I dislike waste, fraud, and abuse in our various systems I’ve no problem with people like this lady getting the help she needs.
I’m telling you Doom, keep up your con ways and you’ll be screeching about that woman like she was a terrorist trying to buy nukes.
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Easy now. We are slowly nudging Doomy towards THINKING instead of blindly following the talk show party line. Pretty soon HE’LL be an independent too.
Why do you think Bruno left? He was starting to see that the pubs were stupid and hated identifying and being identified WITH the regular pub idiots who post here. He wasn’t ready to Denounce the party like Butch Cassidy, our poster friend from New York, so he had to exit lol.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
“For the reasons I just mentioned. Never underestimate greed, stupidity, or just plain laziness when it comes to adhering to rules.”
And never underestimate people on this blog saying something that meets their narrative whether it is true or not.
When three people make allegations and are unwilling answer a follow up question, my bs radar goes off like a bomb…………….
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
Paul, not to mention they are all filthy labor union thugs!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
6:10 pm
Doom, please read:
JHM: It would cost the retailer most or all of his per-ticket profit to accept card swipes for lottery products.
TD: Greed and stupidity are 2 main reasons they would do it.
Well, then it must be *all* stupidity at work, because the greed monster won’t get his if the card processing fees eat up the POS profit for the lottery retailer.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
6:11 pm
Babagonoosh — “Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated? Requiring voter ID to prevent election fraud is a common sense proactive measure to ensure the integrity of the ballot.”
ZOMG, now voter fraud haz a CONTAGIOUS.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
6:12 pm
“Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated?”
Bad analogy. No one is passing laws to force you to get vaccinated.
josef
October 1st, 2012
6:12 pm
I saw that little old lady in a secret ballet burka at Whole Foods and she was paying for her deli chicken and candied apples with lottery tickets she bought with her AmEx card…
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
6:12 pm
“I’m telling you Doom, keep up your con ways and you’ll be screeching about that woman like she was a terrorist trying to buy nukes.”
Naw. She was a nice lady and looked like she really needed the help. Some people you just know really do need the help. And then of course there are those that just abuse the hell out of the system. The last time I rented an apartment the guy and his live in girlfriend were like that. They had a child but stayed unmarried so that she could draw food stamps and other benefits. He was generally a good kid that just didn’t think of it as cheating the system. Some people that kind of game the system to receive the benefits just don’t view it that way.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
6:13 pm
Requiring voter ID to prevent election fraud is a common sense proactive measure to ensure the integrity of the ballot.
Again — there are 207,643,594 eligible voters in the U.S.
How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish the task of producing and distributing this ID?
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
6:14 pm
Babagonoosh
October 1st, 2012
6:08 pm
====================================
I love it when Republican talk show puppets try to be clever. It’s Baba ghanoush goofy. Google would have fixed that for you…………
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Babagonoosh
Paul
October 1st, 2012
6:15 pm
Babaganoosh
“Do you wait until you’ve contracted the flu to get vaccinated?”
Do you spend millions of dollars to bring to market a vaccine and mandate everyone get shots for a disease that does not exist?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
6:17 pm
Fred — “I love it when Republican talk show puppets try to be clever. It’s Baba ghanoush goofy.”
I liked Baba O’Riley better.
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
6:17 pm
Eggplant mashed and mixed with virgin olive oil and various seasonings at 6:08.
I fully agree.
if you cannot show an ID card at the polling place, what the hell is the matter with you???
Even so, it is the modern day, post Jim Crow gang that has taken the gift from the Dems and given it right back to them.
Specious claims of significant voter fraud by dead people and felons!
The bottom line is that the fake conservatives are still heavily invested in trying to have less and less and less people vote. (Likely because Those People won’t get off the D Plantation.)
Real Americans (not to be confused with real Jews) want more and more and more people to vote.
Selah…
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
6:18 pm
Joe Mama,
I think some of their clerks just don’t know or care much about the rules. Just move the line along.
josef,
Don’t be mocking the whole foods lady. For one thing she was at Walmark and not Whole foods. For another thing I’m certain she really and genuinely needed the help. And I seriously doubt she had an AmEx. Thirdly she was a nice lady and didn’t deserve some youngster embarrassing her in front of everyone and loudly lecturing her about what her card could and couldn’t buy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
The curse of Baba Yaga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZj9g2t5t-s
Paul
October 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
JamVet
Yeah! That too!!!
I’ll try to find a link if you want. HUGE Lockheed facility in Ft Worth. Ft Worth paper had a multipage article on new work rules on the line imposed by management. Things like employees go to work when they arrive, not go eat breakfast. Get rid of all the microwaves, coffee pots, etc from employee work areas. Monitoring break times. It went on and on.
A union leader said it was no big deal. Nothing management did violated the union contract. Management had been lax and done many of those things themselves and they finally cleaned up their act. Many of the younger workers (union) were enthusiastic.
How much you wanna bet a bunch of bloggers here, reading the first big paragraph, thought “look at what those union guys were getting away with.” Nope, it was ‘look at what management didn’t do.”
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
6:20 pm
He was generally a good kid that just didn’t think of it as cheating the system.
Wow, you wrote that entire description without mentioning “Obamaland” “leech” or “parasite.” Revocation of Doomy’s Con Card in 3…2…1….
Doom, give it up and go lib. You’re just not bitter and angry enough to make a good con. You must be able to lose your $#!^ at the drop of a rumored EBT(???) purchased lottery ticket.
barking frog
October 1st, 2012
6:20 pm
Someone back a bit said
illegal immigrants could not
vote in federal elections.
Where and when do they
hold federal elections ?
moonbat betty
October 1st, 2012
6:22 pm
Don’t have time to f with you half wits at the moment but you are wrong. I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied. I will return later this evening to accept them.
Thank you.
mb
josef
October 1st, 2012
6:23 pm
THULSA
I’m not mocking her…just the people who would begrudge her the little pleasures…actually, I thought your post was kinda sweet…and I agree with you on your take about the smart a33…
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
6:24 pm
I like the compassionate Doomy.
i suspect that most of us away from this madhouse are nothing like our personae…
Just good guys and gals who give a ____.
If you don’t dig this song, well………… I’m sorry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8V5Ia-XOU
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
6:24 pm
they both suck,
I just don’t see anything difficult to believe about their story is all. We didn’t believe TANF cards were abused and then I posted that link from a local tv station where something like 60k in tanf card purchases were made at just one liquor store in Albany. Fraud like this occurs regularly.
getalife
October 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
I think our President will do what corporate media failed to do.
Bring up lies like “terrorist sympathyzer” and no plans but bush failed policies.
He will wipe the floor with mitt’s greasy head.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied. I will return later this evening to accept them.
I hope you take disappointment well.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
Drugs are illegal, the sale of drugs are illegal, possession of drugs is illegal.
Well, long as we’re talking about the lottery, it reminds me of the story I seen on Fox News last night. Seems like this guy won a million bucks in a lottery last year. Sunday morning he was found dead of a heroin overdoze. It just goes to show that a vial of drugs and a head full of stupid will beat a wheelbarrow full of money every time. Put that in the bank the next time you want to put your life in the hands of a drug dealer that might or might not decide to dilute the stuff he sells you, depending on if he likes you or decides you’re a threat to his business.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
6:27 pm
mb
Your expectation are very high. Prove your implication than we will start the negotiations.
Name and location of store?
Thanks
tbs
getalife
October 1st, 2012
6:27 pm
moonbat,
No apology.
pogo
October 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
Jay, in your small way, you do realize that you and your like minded brethren in the liberal press are destroying democracy in your unwillingness to even find just one fault with Obama on either domestic and international issues don’t you? Is your wish to become a “journalist” for a Pravda styled press? Or, are you to looking for just a government stipend (the dole) to carry you through your elder days? Obama relies upon those that are willing to live with what they government can give them. We all know that there is a certain population within our country who cannot care for themselves. But they are a minority and should be helped by all of us who do work and pay taxes.
But under Obama, we have able bodied people who have chosen just not to work and to contribute because they know they know they can get a check if they vote a certain way. The most dispiccable politician is the one that promises people something for nothing and Obama is one of those. And 10’s of millions of our country’s people have willingly fallen for it.
I hope you and Luckovich can come back in about 20 years and see what the seeds that you have sewn are reaping. Your children will live in servitude of one kind or another. If they chose to work they will pay for others who are not willing to. They will not be able to excel because they will be just another face in the government entitlement crowd. No matter how hard they work they will be held back either by taxes or government re-distributionist policies. Another words, they will live under communism.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
TD
Whatever dude.
When three people make an allegation and not one can name where it occurred, give me a damn break.
I have personally been on this blog when you have went off on people for much less evidence than they are presenting.
Admit it, it fits your narrative, just as it did the other three so you buy it.
Your business but if all the info that has been presented, is all that will be presented, I call BS……………….
Tundra Dude
October 1st, 2012
6:30 pm
Doom:
She got some chicken from the deli part of the store and they wouldn’t let her pay for it with her card since it was considered restaurant food.
Sounds like the LeechCard wasn’t hers, or she’d know not to buy deli foods. It’s common to sell these cards to friends/relatives for half to 2/3 face value.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
6:30 pm
I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied.
Get used to disappointment.
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
6:30 pm
josef,
Exactly. Most of her food was just regular stuff that people use and I don’t begrudge anyone a small pleasure in a pack of chocolate candy apples- and damn they looked yummy. I was more annoyed and agitated over the young clerk’s handling of the situation than anything else.Nothing to be gained in talking down to an elderly person of limited means. And we’re all going to be old farts one day. Hell I believe you already are! Knyuck knyuck!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
But under Obama, we have able bodied people who have chosen just not to work and to contribute because they know they know they can get a check if they vote a certain way.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
betty, just don’t go all Bruno and Del on us and split the scene!
Thick skin, brother/sister.
So many visions to psychoanalyze
The politician screaming the bleedin’ lies
And all the natural children riot for the compromise
Oh babe, open your window, and let that fresh air blow
Hey shake babe, shake off your demon
And watch that angel go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJoJYlgj_w
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
M. Betty — “Don’t have time to f with you half wits at the moment but you are wrong.”
So you say. Shrug.
“I expect a full apology from those that claimed I lied.”
I don’t care what you expect.
“I will return later this evening to accept them.”
And I am 100% sure that you will leave here unsatisfied.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
Back for a few. An interesting opinion piece from the HP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/democrats-benefit-from-illegal-immigrants-voting_b_1418523.html
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
6:35 pm
R. Convert — “It just goes to show that a vial of drugs and a head full of stupid will beat a wheelbarrow full of money every time. Put that in the bank the next time you want to put your life in the hands of a drug dealer that might or might not decide to dilute the stuff he sells you, depending on if he likes you or decides you’re a threat to his business.”
Damn, now I don’t want to go to Walgreen’s and pick up my prescriptions. Thanks a LOT.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
They will not be able to excel because they will be just another face in the government entitlement crowd.
Yeah but if they find the right sleazy stores with whining d-bag managers they might win the lottery. I’m sure you’ll provide that info for a cut of their potential winnings.
getalife
October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
Actually pogo,
Your mindless vote for the gop that only votes to help the wealthy widens the income and wealth gap in our country. History books show this greed leads to revolution and we end up with socialism.
You cons are blindly and mindlessly helping this to happen.. The Dems want to close these gaps to keep the government we have. Middle class jobs and a strong middle class is the way to go not blindly helping the wealthy that need no help from any con. Got it?
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
Tundra Dude,
I think it was her card although you could be right. From what I gathered the clerk was giving her a hard time about the deli food and I distinctly heard the lady tell her that she had not had a problem before with purchasing the chicken. But it sure seemed to take a long time and there was some sort of problem cause they had to call in a store manager. I just felt bad for the lady and I could tell how bad she felt. No one likes to see other people embarrassed in a checkout line when they can’t pay.
Paul
October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
pogo
“Jay, in your small way, you do realize that you and your like minded brethren in the liberal press are destroying democracy in your unwillingness to even find just one fault with Obama on either domestic and international issues don’t you?”
Are you really unaware of criticisms Jay’s had of Pres Obama and his administration, or do you willfully ignore facts that don’t support your narrative?
Thomas heyward Jr.
October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
What kind of ID is gonna be required for all this free ObamaCare stuff?
.
Will the progs care?
.
lol
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
Brosephus – I am not finding evidence that voting is legal for non-citizens save for local elections and that in a relatively few jurisdictions, cities and towns.
It’s still illegal for non U.S. citizens to vote in federal or statewide elections, though a handful of jurisdictions around the country have passed measures to allow it in local contests. They include municipalities in Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts and New York. Under the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, federal authorities can deport an alien who falsely claims to be a citizen in order to vote.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/05/voting-rights-illegal-immigrants/