Dissecting the GOP’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud
And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None.
Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy — the same universe in which Mitt Romney is up 10 points in “unskewed” polling — they are somehow absolutely certain that it occurs, and these supposed “small-government” types are equally certain that new regulations and state bureaucracies all across the country are necessary to prevent it.
This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving poor people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and conservative media are eager to provide it.
Second — whether by intention or happy circumstance — the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification. In Pennsylvania, for example, the state officially estimated that some 759,000 perfectly eligible voters did not possess and identification of the type required by a new state law.
And in Ohio, Republicans are in court insisting that provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct because of mistakes by polling workers must be tossed out and not counted. in other words, through no fault of their own, legally registered voters who did everything by the book would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote. Only a cynic would suggest that the GOP position is driven by the fact that such mistakes occur far more often in more Democratic urban areas, where precincts are much smaller and tightly drawn, making confusion more likely. It’s not an insignificant problem — in 2008, the state tossed 14,355 such ballots, Bloomburg reports.
In fact, the closest we have to evidence of attempted large-scale vote fraud in the current election cycle is a scandal involving a Republican company hired by the Republican National Committee to conduct voter-registration drives in four swing states, including Florida and Colorada.
In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.
Even in this specific case, however, there is no evidence that false registrations were generated in an attempt to alter election outcomes. The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register. The phantom voters thus created were not going to turn up at the polls attempting to vote.
However, other aspects of the Strategic Alliance effort might be more troubling. Voter registration is supposed to be nonpartisan, with voters of all inclinations allowed to register. In the past, however, registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.
Those voters would believe themselves properly registered, only to show up at the voting booth with no record that they had done so. A recent videotape of a Strategic Alliance registration worker outside a Colorado grocery store suggests there may be some basis to those fears:
– Jay Bookman
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Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
4:19 pm
Besides this deflection, have you any response to the report I linked to itself????? HUH?????
No, for two reasons:
1. I rarely click on youtube videos as “evidence” of anything. I’ve never viewed Sooth’s youtube videos proving the WTC fell from a controlled demolition either. Video is for music and people who find reading too bothersome because words confuse them.
2. You already made one dumb assertion today, got shot down, and now you demand we evaluate your next assertion? For that matter you can’t even read and comprehend the words written by Jay at the top of this page. If you want to sling $#!^ until we’re bored and then declare yourself the victor, have at it. You win the Tea Potty Screeching Maniac prize! Luxuriate in your victory!
Buck up little rider…maybe some fake Jews will engage your latest venture.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
4:19 pm
“yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None”
YOU need to read it again. He has not stated here are no attempts as fraud.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
“You’re sticking hard to that word “if” while your context gives one the impression that you wholeheartedly believe those reports. I can’t and won’t try to change your opinion on this. I can only form my opinion based on what I know.”
It is actually a local NBC station report. I tend to believe it, but qualified my statement to satisfy any possible gainsayers.
“Your report addressed the Motor Voter Law that was passed in 1992. At that time, the immigration law I spoke of was still in effect. I don’t think it was changed until the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended in 1996. At that point, it became illegal for non-citizens to cast votes in ANY elections. Any non-citizen casting votes beyond that point would be charged and prosecuted in Federal court and could end up losing their green card.”
I don’t know what your point is. The report, in one instance provided proof of a non-citizen voting in 2000-2010 elections. And the report itself was made this year.
Look, if a local journalist is in a few days time able to uncover clear instances of non-citizens voting. how naive is it to think it doesn’t happen more than liberals would want to admit?
Regnad Kcin
October 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
Ask, “what would an Indian of the other tribe tell me he was?”
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
4:21 pm
Bro
It’s simple. What Ryan meant was that anyone who votes for him and Mitt will keep their deductions.
The 47% who are moochers will lose all of theirs LOL
getalife
October 1st, 2012
4:21 pm
I go to the store , mind my own business and talk nice to my neighbors.
Perhaps pogo should try this and be happier.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
4:22 pm
pogo: You lie much or just on this blog? Not the best habit to say the least
Q. Can Georgia Lottery tickets be purchased via the mail or the Internet?
A. The Georgia Lottery Corporation does not offer sale of Georgia Lottery tickets via the mail or over the Internet. By law, all Georgia Lottery tickets must be purchased with cash only – credit cards, debit cards, checks or any form of deferred payment are not acceptable forms of payment for Georgia Lottery tickets – from an authorized Georgia Lottery retailer within the state of Georgia.
http://www.galottery.com/help/faqs#6
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:22 pm
“Dissecting the democRat’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud”
Can you say ACORN or ILLEGAL ALIENS??? That’s what we thought!
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
“I go to the store , mind my own business and talk nice to my neighbors.”
While you are at it, Can you pick up a twelve pack and some Kool Ultra Menthol’s before the game starts back??
Oh wait!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
In six pages has any righty condemned the video above?
Anybody?
AND
my favorite moocher USMC pops up with ACORN.
that’s just nuts dude. just nuts.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
pogo — 0
Truth — 1
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
Perhaps pogo should try this and be happier.
He also wouldn’t get busted lying like a cheap-@$$ rug.
That’s what happens when you represent a story you heard from your dentist’s cousin’s pizza delivery guy’s nephew as something that happened to you, and PROOF those people are buying lottery tickets with a card stamped “Leeched From Taxpayers.”
getalife
October 1st, 2012
4:28 pm
USMC,
I don’t drink beer but when I do I drink, I sip Crown Royal on the rocks..
Stay drunk, my friend.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:28 pm
Nope, pogo is not lying from my experience. It is possible to buy lottery tickets using other than cash.
I have done it before. It is up to the cashier if they issue you a ticket or not…
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:29 pm
“Acorn, that’s just nuts dude. just nuts.”–Granny Gorilla
That’s about the smartest thing we have ever heard out of your mouth, Granny. Good for you!
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:31 pm
“I don’t drink beer but when I do I drink, I sip Crown Royal on the rocks..”–Getalife
Then we will stock the bar with Crown just for you, Getalife.
(You might need more than a sip of Crown after this weekend’s game against the Gators)
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
4:33 pm
I don’t know what your point is. The report, in one instance provided proof of a non-citizen voting in 2000-2010 elections. And the report itself was made this year.
My point is that, depending on the locale, it is still perfectly legal for a non-citizen to vote in our elections. They can vote in local and/or state elections where it is still legal for permanent residents to vote. That person would be correct if they voted in the election if it’s allowed. The distinction is that non-citizens can not vote in Federal elections.
When elections are typically held, they are all combined on one ballot. We don’t do separate elections for the local, state, and then federal elections. One could say they voted in an election and not cast a vote for a federal office.
I listened to your report, and at what point did they educate their listeners to ACTUAL law in relation to the differences between federal and other elections? They only said the people voted in elections. They didn’t state whether they voted on the local, state, or federal level. That makes a big difference in everything you’re claiming. As far as that story, their report is basically a one-sided hit piece that’s designed to inflame people who already think that it’s a widespread problem. They basically go out with the answer and find things to help them prove their point.
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:33 pm
“my favorite moocher USMC pops up with ACORN”
Moocher??? Who did I mooch off of, Granny????
It certainly wasn’t you.
kayaker 71
October 1st, 2012
4:33 pm
My wife has bought lottery tickets with a debit card for years……. and in more than one locale.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
“I rarely click on youtube videos as “evidence” of anything. I’ve never viewed Sooth’s youtube videos proving the WTC fell from a controlled demolition either. Video is for music and people who find reading too bothersome because words confuse them.”
Sounds like a personal problem. It was of an NBC report. I guess the Rodney King “video” was likewise insignificant. But, hey, keep to you comic books. What a dolt you are proving to be.
“You already made one dumb assertion today, got shot down, and now you demand we evaluate your next assertion?”
You appear unable to “evaluate” much at all – given your preceding prejudice against “videos” that are for “people who find reading too bothersome because words confuse them.” How patently stupid is that?
“For that matter you can’t even read and comprehend the words written by Jay at the top of this page.”
I suspect my comprehension skills are superior to yours. Jay asserted that “Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud. None.” In my first post, I questioned his phrasing in this assertion – which I took to be a typical CYA liberal tact to avoid being nailed down. Fraud has, in fact, occurred. Conservatives have provided proof of this. But Jay, with his crystal ball, knows that none of these instances of fraud were “attempts to alter election outcomes”. And, apparently, he is letting you gaze into it as well.
“If you want to sling $#!^ until we’re bored and then declare yourself the victor, have at it. You win the Tea Potty Screeching Maniac prize! Luxuriate in your victory!”
Another mindless deflection from someone incapable of sustaining any kind of debate. Surf is up there, Aquagirl.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
4:35 pm
USMoocherC
Of course!…acorns are just nuts.
From which the mighty oak grows – covered in leaves not voter registration cards.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
4:35 pm
It is up to the cashier if they issue you a ticket or not…
So the outraged manager was outraged while participating in illegal activity by accepting plastic for lottery tickets? Is that the new spin?
And was the manager related to our con who was outraged by the Sec. 8 fraudsters renting one of his properties?
Gosh, so many outrages, so little time for cons. No wonder they’re outraged since they’re constantly facilitating these disgusting activities.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:38 pm
Aquagirl,
You, getalife, and JHM owe pogo an apology.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
4:39 pm
M. Betty — “Nope, pogo is not lying from my experience. It is possible to buy lottery tickets using other than cash.”
Then pogo needs to turn in the retailer in question. Otherwise he’s knowingly permitting such things as he complains about to go on.
josef
October 1st, 2012
4:39 pm
Voter fraud? What else is new. Been going on for as long as we’ve been voting.
Next topic?
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm
“From which the mighty oak grows – covered in leaves not voter registration cards.”–Granny
Okay… Granny… I am going to leave that one alone. And while you are at it, give back Getalife’s bottle of Crown Royal before you get further into the sauce.
… or whatever it is you’re on.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm
As soon as he turns in the offending retailer and shares with us how to obtain a copy of the police report resulting therefrom, I’ll consider it.
Tundra Dude
October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm
I’ve never seen a Food Stamp in my life.
I guess now they’re like Debit cards?
Are they a distinctive color?
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm
Yep Aquagirl. getalife and JHM should apologize to pogo LOL
Pogo why do you patronize establishments that BREAK THE LAW?
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:42 pm
“Voter fraud? What else is new. Been going on for as long as we’ve been voting.
Next topic?”
And of course after 76 pages deep, the sage steps in and nips it in the bud as usual.
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
4:43 pm
getalife, LOL, I love that! As good as the original is, that seems more like truth in advertising!
Q. Can Georgia Lottery tickets be purchased via the mail or the Internet?
A. The Georgia Lottery Corporation does not offer sale of Georgia Lottery tickets via the mail or over the Internet. By law, all Georgia Lottery tickets must be purchased with cash only – credit cards, debit cards, checks or any form of deferred payment are not acceptable forms of payment for Georgia Lottery tickets – from an authorized Georgia Lottery retailer within the state of Georgia.
http://www.galottery.com/help/faqs
Poor crier. The new blog master of specious arguments.
And Aquagirl, you, like I, have NO standing with him.
Because we are not real _______________. (fill in the blank.)
(He’s the decider!)
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
4:43 pm
pogo
October 1st, 2012
4:07 pm
Welcome to Obamaworld. I stopped at a store today and a lady before me bought 6 scratch off lottery tickets. I had to wait and wait because she couldn’t remember her pin. Finally she remembered and so she paid for them with a card…
—————
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:28 pm
Nope, pogo is not lying from my experience. It is possible to buy lottery tickets using other than cash.
I have done it before. It is up to the cashier if they issue you a ticket or not…
Is it just me, or is it possible that pogo was in line behind betty???
j/k… I just couldn’t resist that one. That one was set up for anybody to knock that one out to center field.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:44 pm
JHM,
Yeah, this kind of thing doesn’t go on just like voter fraud right?
Maybe pogo could call in Chris Hansen to try and get proof, but I don’t think NBC would be interested in that it would be attacking the poor.
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:45 pm
“my favorite moocher USMC pops up with ACORN”–Granny Gorilla
I think you meant your favorite SMOOCHER, right Granny???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7f9hsFrKUY
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:45 pm
lol, I knew that would come Bro. I am a moocher don’t ya know.
Seriously though, it was with a debit card, but point is, it is not required to use cash to purchase lottery tickets.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm
“Is it just me, or is it possible that pogo was in line behind betty???”
And kayaker’s wife was behind betty…………
The line goes on forever
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm
Maybe betty paid with her UI card?
kayaker 71
October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm
I wonder if that “outraged” lady on the video was as upset at the Black Panther dudes in PA. Wonder if any liberal was even the least bit outraged by these animals. Very little mention of them by the MSM, Bookman or any of you liberal stalwarts of voter justice. Holder didn’t seem to be too upset either. Said, in a little note in his pocket, that he wouldn’t be prosecuting any of “his people”. But the Black Panther video was the most revealing. Something about “killing white babies”. That seems to be the new norm for liberals, as least if they are black. Voter intimidation? This little college girl didn’t come close to intimidating anyone. You have to go to PA, try to enter a polling place and pass some dude slamming a baton into his hand….. now that’s intimidation. Bookman is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel on this one.
Sagegirl
October 1st, 2012
4:46 pm
Ut oh. Vote Counting Company Tied to Romney.
Things that make you go hmmm…
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/13716-focus-vote-counting-company-tied-to-romney
josef
October 1st, 2012
4:47 pm
TUNDRA
“I’ve never seen a Food Stamp in my life.
I guess now they’re like Debit cards?
Are they a distinctive color?”
I take it you don’t shop at Whole Foods…
USMC
Better be nice to me…you’re on my slap-silly list!
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
4:48 pm
betty
Glad to know I didn’t let you down.
Tundra Dude
October 1st, 2012
4:48 pm
Voter fraud? What else is new. Been going on for as long as we’ve been voting.
How about fraud by the owners of the voting machines………..oh, wait….that’s not new either.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
M. Betty — “JHM, Yeah, this kind of thing doesn’t go on just like voter fraud right?”
I didn’t say that it didn’t happen. I pointed out that it’s illegal. I also encouraged pogo to turn in the offending retailer.
“Maybe pogo could call in Chris Hansen to try and get proof, but I don’t think NBC would be interested in that it would be attacking the poor.”
Maybe pogo could just turn the guy in. Retailers get caught selling beer to kids all the time; surely they can catch someone selling scratch-offs for plastic.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
4:51 pm
Thomas
October 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Audi has announced that it has settled on San José Chiapa, Mexico for its newest production facility in North America.
Should we start breaking across the border to Mexico for jobs?
++++++++++++++++++++++
It’s closer than China and India where Mitt sends jobs……..
USMC
October 1st, 2012
4:51 pm
“Better be nice to me…you’re on my slap-silly list!”
As usual, I was complementing you there wise one.
You know that I know better than to get placed on your slap-silly list.
Charlie B
October 1st, 2012
4:52 pm
From a Sacramento California article on the subject of ebt/lotto purchases…
But the state Department of Social Services, which oversees the welfare program, says yes. So, why the confusion?
“It’s clear there’s no clarity here regarding the rules about whether EBT cards can be used to buy lottery tickets,” said Jon Coupal of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.
Social Services says while they don’t encourage it, the card acts like a debit card and can be used for cash purposes like buying the Lotto, as long as the retailer accepts it.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
JHM,
“I didn’t say that it didn’t happen. I pointed out that it’s illegal.”
Whatever…
per your 4:26:
pogo — 0
Truth — 1
josef
October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
“A Southern state – either Mississippi or Louisiana – has recently changed its present law so that the Sunday before election day…”
*******
Don’t know which one, not that it matters, it was SOUTHERN and thass enough for me…
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
Charlie B
Can you provide a link to what goes on here in GA?
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
This statement of yours:
“I don’t think it was changed until the Immigration and Nationality Act was amended in 1996. At that point, it became illegal for non-citizens to cast votes in ANY elections.”
does not square with this one:
“My point is that, depending on the locale, it is still perfectly legal for a non-citizen to vote in our elections. They can vote in local and/or state elections where it is still legal for permanent residents to vote. That person would be correct if they voted in the election if it’s allowed. The distinction is that non-citizens can not vote in Federal elections.”
And this statement does not really square with the Wiki article on foreign suffrage:
=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States
It appears that any foreign suffrage that occurs today does so at a very limited and only local level:
=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote
“I listened to your report, and at what point did they educate their listeners to ACTUAL law in relation to the differences between federal and other elections? They only said the people voted in elections. They didn’t state whether they voted on the local, state, or federal level.”
See above.
“As far as that story, their report is basically a one-sided hit piece that’s designed to inflame people who already think that it’s a widespread problem. They basically go out with the answer and find things to help them prove their point.”
So why did the report prompt two election supervisors to take action? Is it a “hit piece” because it goes against what you believe?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
4:56 pm
M. Betty — “Whatever…per your 4:26:”
Anything stopping pogo from telling us WHERE this particular crime wave took place?
Anything stopping YOU from telling us where they’ll take plastic for Lotto tickets?
Whatever, yourself.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
4:58 pm
You, getalife, and JHM owe pogo an apology.
I’m very sorry you and Pogo may hang around in sleazy places with unsavory clerks and managers who feel entitled to complain about “leeches” while they facilitate said leeches for a profit.
Would you like me to send your mommy to haul you out and give you a spanking? Obviously you guys can’t stay out of there on your own, and that’s entirely some liberal’s fault too.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:58 pm
JHM – zero
Truth – one
You lose.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
Just apologize, Aquagirl.
You were wrong.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
Charlie B
October 1st, 2012
4:52 pm
From a Sacramento California article on the subject of ebt/lotto purchases…
But the state Department of Social Services, which oversees the welfare program, says yes. So, why the confusion?
“It’s clear there’s no clarity here regarding the rules about whether EBT cards can be used to buy lottery tickets,” said Jon Coupal of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.
Social Services says while they don’t encourage it, the card acts like a debit card and can be used for cash purposes like buying the Lotto, as long as the retailer accepts it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
In Georgia you can’t use a debit card for lotto purchases. I don’t know of anywhere that accepts it. The store makes a nickel off the ticket. The card fee is at least a nickel…………
Today is brainiac day I see…….
josef
October 1st, 2012
5:00 pm
USMC
I put you there last p.m….limp wristed pansey, eh? You jus’ tryin’ to make nice now!
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
moonbat
So you were there when pogo bought the ticket?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
Can I buy secret ballet voting tutus with lottery tickets?
kayaker 71
October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
Charlie B 4:52,
Hell, they buy vacations in Vegas, cruises and trips to Hawaii with them. Also in MA, they apparently buy massages, fixing their fingernails, booze…… most anything. CA is something like 19B in the tank, is the illegal immigrant capital of the world and they want to build a new stadium in LA costing close to 3B and change, when they don’t even have an NFL football team to play in it. All run by Governor Moonbeam and the Democrats.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
“Gosh, so many outrages, so little time for cons. No wonder they’re outraged since they’re constantly facilitating these disgusting activities.”
Gosh, so many deflections, so little time for libs. No wonder they’re confused since they’re constantly ignoring these inconvenient truths.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
5:02 pm
TBS,
No, but I have done it myself before, so it is possible.
Fred ™
October 1st, 2012
5:02 pm
USMC is still here and still SOBER? That ain’t right. Come on you old fart, let’s go get a beer………… or 20……..
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
M. Betty — “JHM – zero Truth – one You lose.”
Says the woman who asserts that she’s an eyewitness to illegal behavior but won’t specify where and when it has taken place. (laughing, pointing)
Honeybunch, all you’ve got is your word and pogo’s that this goes on, and I don’t believe either one of you. If you and pogo are so all-fired upset about it, then TURN THE OFFENDERS IN, for crying out loud.
You’re like Captain Renault, you are. Shocked, SHOCKED that illegal activity is taking place.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
TBS – FYI – I used a Debit card, but still no cash was used…
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
moonbat
So you do not know that pogo was lying or not. Based on your experience you know it to be true, but you do not know that pogo actually witnessed anything, correct?
You mind telling us the store and location of where you purchased these tickets?
josef
October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
Off Topic, a bit…but has anybody heard from midori? I hope she’s okay…
Vietnam 2
October 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
The GOP base is supposed to be religious RIGHT Christians. However. most of them have NEVER heard of the Bohemian Club and what they stand for. Few, if any know that every GOP president since Calvin Coolidge has been a member. EVERYONE! Coolidge, Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 1&2. How can you vote for a Party that you know nothing about. The real power base of the GOP Party comes from this CLUB and NO Democrats allowed. Find out who you really vote for. If Mitt isn’t a member, he will NOT be elected.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Towncrier — “Gosh, so many deflections, so little time for libs. No wonder they’re confused since they’re constantly ignoring these inconvenient truths.”
Like this one?
Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim.
Yes, that was VERY inconvenient. For you. But it wasn’t true.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
5:07 pm
“You mind telling us the store and location of where you purchased these tickets?”
I don’t remember and I don’t really care, because it was coming out of MY bank account.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
Moonbat
If it occurs, I doubt it is often. As Fred stated, the transaction fee would eat up what they get from the Lottery commission. With that being fact, why would they take a chance of losing their lottery machine and tickets for not compling with the regulations?
If they think Lottery brings in more business, they would stand a chance of losing that additional business and making nothing on the “debt or credit card” lottery transactions.
What do they have to gain except for pogo, kayaker’s wife and your business?
Rightwing Troll
October 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
“Welcome to Obamaworld. I stopped at a store today and a lady before me bought 6 scratch off lottery tickets. I had to wait and wait because she couldn’t remember her pin. Finally she remembered and so she paid for them with a card. After she left the owner told me that the government gives those cards to people trying to help them and they go and buy lottery tickets. I asked what he meant. He said that they receive a cash card wherein they can buy anything they want at a place of business they want. Beer. Cigarettes. Lottery tickets. Anything. Is this what you libs want for this country? Yes, in your continuing support of Obama apparently it is. This country has become a country of parasites. And the “host” is terminal.”
Codswallop!!!! I might’ve believed your little augmented reality about the lottery tickets, but then you went a bridge too far… alcohol and cigarettes… heh…
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
“I don’t remember and I don’t really care, because it was coming out of MY bank account.”
Who would have guessed. hahahahahaha
Let me guess pogo and kayaker do not remember either……. right guys?
How convenient…………..
bwhahahahaha
Rightwing Troll
October 1st, 2012
5:10 pm
“What do they have to gain except for pogo, kayaker’s wife and your business?”
If they sell a winning ticket, they get a commission or payment of some sort.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:11 pm
TBS — “If it occurs, I doubt it is often. As Fred stated, the transaction fee would eat up what they get from the Lottery commission. With that being fact, why would they take a chance of losing their lottery machine and tickets for not compling with the regulations?”
Not to mention the fact that the Lottery Commission could easily see the FOP (Form Of Payment) if they looked at their transaction logs. Seems to me that taking plastic in violation of the Lottery Commission’s rules would be a good way for a retailer to get kicked out of the lottery club.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
5:11 pm
moonbat
So you were there when pogo bought the ticket?
Looks like we’ll have to rely on moonbat’s account since Pogo wisely pulled a Sir Robin.
Moonbat—you seriously want me to apologize? At best, Pogo relayed the outrage of a store manager who accepts plastic when he shouldn’t. At worst, he repeated some secondhand crap or made $#!^ up. That was a beautiful, awesome faceplant of the highest order. I will probably bring it up with him again, but you can bet it won’t be for an apology.
I look forward to his story about the outraged wh@rehouse madam bemoaning the lack of morals in ‘Merica today. I bet she blames those darn liberals too.
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
pogo — 0
Truth — 1
Joe mama,
Were you by chance working as one of those replacement refs? You’ve certainly proved your qualifications based on this score.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
RW Troll
Yes they do. But if they get caught, they lose any additional business they maybe getting from having lottery and of course are already losing the sold ticket fee because they have to pay the transaction fees for the debit and credit card
Road Scholar
October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
Isn’t it interesting. Until very recently (Florida) when the phrase voter fraud is used , the conservatives jump up and down like it HAS to be a liberal or Democrat abusing the system! Paranoid much conserves? Oh they have their voter suppression to fall back on!
Rightwing Troll
October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
“At best, Pogo relayed the outrage of a store manager who accepts plastic when he shouldn’t”
If this sordid little tale were true, I’d bet it was one of those dirty little quickie marts with video poker machines in the back…
Marty Huggins'
October 1st, 2012
5:14 pm
Just to put in my 2 pennies.
Drugs are illegal, the sale of drugs are illegal, possession of drugs is illegal.
Now I would assume that most if not all of us have either witnessed a drug deal or knew a drug dealer.
Now if we didn’t report them to the cops did that mean that it didn’t happen.
Or if we didn’t report them does that mean we should not express any outrage over drug dealers without being called a liar?
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
5:14 pm
TBS, I didn’t even know it was illegal to use a debit card to purchase lottery tickets.
Perhaps I should post my name here and you can report me to the authorities?
Anyway, that’s enough of this…
Have a good one.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
JHM
It isn’t impossible to say it occurs, but there isn’t much upside for the retailer to engage in these type transactions.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
“Like this one?”
And you provided evidence to the contrary (as did I think one other poster). I haven’t the time to investigate the matter in depth, but was willing to stipulate only 38 being charged with fraud. How is that a “deflection” (as in not even addressing what someone else has posted but throwing up a red herring or making a joke and the like)?
“Yes, that was VERY inconvenient. For you. But it wasn’t true.”
See above. Jay and liberals want to pretend that there are people voting who shouldn’t be (like non-citizens) and so they argue there is little evidence of in person voter fraud without ANY analysis of efforts made to uncover such fraud. The NBC report I linked to indicates that the only way they can know to investigate it is from tips. And it showed evidence of several non-citizens voting. That proves it happens and it it is undetected. No one can say how big the problem is.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:16 pm
Doom — “Joe mama, Were you by chance working as one of those replacement refs? You’ve certainly proved your qualifications based on this score.”
Nope, that’s just a ragepost from a whiny poster who’s upset that both she and pogo have been outed as baldfaced liars.
Besides, she admits to playing the lottery, so that proves she’s bad at math. (laughing)
bman
October 1st, 2012
5:16 pm
Just today, I saw a guy purchase a lottery ticket for $1 and told the guy behind him it was the winner and that he would sell it to him for $2 ….I couldn’t believe it.
The buyer had an Obama bumper sticker on his car. All of a sudden. It was easy to believe.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
TBS, I didn’t even know it was illegal to use a debit card to purchase lottery tickets.
Perhaps I should post my name here and you can report me to the authorities?
_____________________________________
Translation: I have no evidence to back up pogo’s story and I coincidentally have no idea where I purchased tickets using a debit card, but damn it…………. it is true
Charlie B
October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
TBS – There are many links about what Georgia allows. There are also current links that state lawmakers have put restrictions is place on what can be purchased.
My intent was not to stamp what Pogo did or did not witness, my intent was to show that there could possibly be confustion between the Lottery commission and Social Services and the way the cards are either currently regulated or how they were previously regulated.
Jay
October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
Crier, after all your manipulations and misstatements and claims that your bald misstatements somehow don’t matter, the bottom line remains the same:
“Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.”
Period.
Paul
October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
Afternoon, Brosephus 3:39
I listened to that interview. And others by Ryan and Romney.
Each interview confirms my suspicion that, to do what they say they want to do, the middle and the top tier’s going to end up paying more under Romney’s plan. Only thing is, they won’t come out and say it. And none of the base or the talking heads want to go there, either. I mean, how’d that sound? “We’re going to limit deductions and lower rates, but we still want to generate enough revenue to do other stuff… so it can’t be revenue neutral….. and we can’t do other stuff ’cause we aren’t going to increase the deficit… but let’s not talk about this any more, okay?”
Really, they’ve even got people on this very blog convinced their taxes are going to go down by 20 percent. Nope, that’s not what Romney said. He said the tax table rates will be cut on the amount subject to the rate. So, for simplicity’s sake, if part of your income is subject to a 25% rate, under Romney it’ll be subject to a (25 – 20%) 20 percent rate.
People do like to hear what they want to hear.
And I’m with josef on this topic. It gets the Republican base something to focus their energy on. So, as he said… “next?”.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
5:19 pm
M. Huggins — “Now if we didn’t report them to the cops did that mean that it didn’t happen.”
There’s a lot more upside to selling drugs than there is to selling lottery tickets to people who want to use plastic to pay. Just sayin’.
“Or if we didn’t report them does that mean we should not express any outrage over drug dealers without being called a liar?”
If pogo was so outraged, wouldn’t he have turned the offending retailer in? Or perhaps remembered what retailer it was?
bman
October 1st, 2012
5:19 pm
The retailers have to pay anywhere from 15-40 cents for each swipe. + a % of the sale.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
5:21 pm
Charlie B
That could be the case, but I was the one that posted what GA allows and it is cash……..
I can’t speak for nor plan on doing any research on other states.
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
5:21 pm
“Says the woman who asserts that she’s an eyewitness to illegal behavior but won’t specify where and when it has taken place. (laughing, pointing)
Better lump me into that group also. And yourself and everyone else. I see people barrelling down the interstate everyday going 80+ or more but being the bad person that I am I just don’t pick up the cell and call the police to tattle on the multitiudes of people I see doing it. Most people just don’t have the time or wherewithall to deal with the red tape of reporting every little illegality that goes on in everyday life. If you did you would never get anything done in your own life.
USMC
October 1st, 2012
5:22 pm
“USMC is still here and still SOBER? That ain’t right. Come on you old fart, let’s go get a beer………… or 20……..”–Fred
I’m with you Fred! I got your first beer, too. Oh wait!
It’s only Monday…. May be this weekend!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
5:22 pm
Just today, I saw a guy purchase a lottery ticket for $1 and told the guy behind him it was the winner and that he would sell it to him for $2 ….I couldn’t believe it.
Just today, I had to walk 15 miles barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways to buy a lottery ticket with food stamps.
Marty Huggins'
October 1st, 2012
5:23 pm
Welp about to drive home. On my phone now and since there is a law against it rest assure nobody uses their cellphone while driving.
I know none of us have seen anyone driving and texting since the law was enacted.
Because we would all like to see the police report of where and when you files your complaint.
I mean if you disagree with it and you don’t report it well you are just lying about it ever happening.
getalife
October 1st, 2012
5:24 pm
moonbat,
No apology.
king should apologize to rice and that will not happen.
romney should apologize to our President for calling him a terrorist sympathizer but that will never happen.
josef
October 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
PAUL you an others asked for my take…
Okay, I’ve read and, I guess, digested Bibi’s speech at the UN. I must admit I did have to take a dose of baking soda, though, before committing my own comments to paper. I had to be sure what I was feeling wasn’t just excess classical Bibi gas.
I’m the first to admit that the boy can orate and, as certain American political pundits would say, he speaks “good English and is articulate.” He knows just what to say and where to put it in an address. He know where to place his modifiers, which ones to use, and how to put just the proper stress on which word. Of course, he’s had plenty of practice. It’s the same speech he’s been giving for quite a while, with just a little editing here and there for the sake of contemporaneous events and topic and audience at hand.
Start with Abraham and remind everybody how long the Jews have been around. Make sure and give a Reader’s Digest condensed version of their suffering, martyrdom and survival. Next, remind the audience of just how much this rag tag and much beleaguered tribe of wanderers have given the world in terms of science, medicine, literature, philosophy and charity. Bring all that back home to Jerusalem and make sure that everybody is reminded of just how much that little tiny strip of land has produced. Then, top it all off with a nice, heady dose of “never again” and Hebrew Tarzanism.
Then get to the point. Here’s the red line, and for those like Jay who need a graphic, in this case there was that bomb! Cheesy, it was. But, true Bibi, it’s what will be remembered long after the rhetoric fades. As much fun as the commentators here and abroad, especially in Israel, are having with it, that “red line” has been drawn, clearly and unequivocally and in a way we’ll all remember. Anybody who doubts that Barack and Bibi haven’t choreographed this down to the nyanh-nyanh pas de deux aren’t playing close attention.
As Haaretz put it, “[a]t the end of the day, the dispute between Obama and Netanyahu was futile. After all the public sensational throws between them, the references to Iran in both their speeches were practically identical. They are both concerned, but are not rushing to start a war that could get messy.”
Bibi just got to draw the red line. He could get by with the stage craft. Barack couldn’t pull it off with quite the same effect.
USMC
October 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
“I put you there last p.m….limp wristed pansey, eh? You jus’ tryin’ to make nice now!”–jonix
Well Yes, I guess so. That WAS kind of bad wasn’t it???
But “Drudgy spam”???
That is a little light in the loafers, isn’t it??? Oh wait! sorry, josef.
I am gay friendly, you know… “some of my best friends are…” well not really, but you get my drift.
bman
October 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Kam .. .. Can I ask u a question about some wood?