Dissecting the GOP’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud
And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None.
Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy — the same universe in which Mitt Romney is up 10 points in “unskewed” polling — they are somehow absolutely certain that it occurs, and these supposed “small-government” types are equally certain that new regulations and state bureaucracies all across the country are necessary to prevent it.
This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving poor people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and conservative media are eager to provide it.
Second — whether by intention or happy circumstance — the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification. In Pennsylvania, for example, the state officially estimated that some 759,000 perfectly eligible voters did not possess and identification of the type required by a new state law.
And in Ohio, Republicans are in court insisting that provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct because of mistakes by polling workers must be tossed out and not counted. in other words, through no fault of their own, legally registered voters who did everything by the book would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote. Only a cynic would suggest that the GOP position is driven by the fact that such mistakes occur far more often in more Democratic urban areas, where precincts are much smaller and tightly drawn, making confusion more likely. It’s not an insignificant problem — in 2008, the state tossed 14,355 such ballots, Bloomburg reports.
In fact, the closest we have to evidence of attempted large-scale vote fraud in the current election cycle is a scandal involving a Republican company hired by the Republican National Committee to conduct voter-registration drives in four swing states, including Florida and Colorada.
In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.
Even in this specific case, however, there is no evidence that false registrations were generated in an attempt to alter election outcomes. The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register. The phantom voters thus created were not going to turn up at the polls attempting to vote.
However, other aspects of the Strategic Alliance effort might be more troubling. Voter registration is supposed to be nonpartisan, with voters of all inclinations allowed to register. In the past, however, registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.
Those voters would believe themselves properly registered, only to show up at the voting booth with no record that they had done so. A recent videotape of a Strategic Alliance registration worker outside a Colorado grocery store suggests there may be some basis to those fears:
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southpaw
October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm
JHM
Ahem described VP Biden saying what has become known as a “Bidenism.” Unless you’re laughing at the joke, not the person, you’re pointing and laughing in the wrong direction.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm
Joe, besides inking the finger, here are suggestions to moderize voter registration. http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/nate_bill_includes_voter_registration_modernization_a_brennan_center_propos
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm
“So, fraud is okay as long as it isn’t a real attempt?”
There is NO WAY to make ANY voting system completely fraud proof. It is whether or not the fraud alters the election or not. If there is not enough fraud to alter elections…the cure could very well be more expensive than the disease.
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm
DannyX, I agree the absentee process has plenty of holes in it too and don’t have a good solution for it, but that’s no excuse for not implementing a simple solution at the polls.
How much fraud is ok with you libs? What percent?
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
alittle common sense
If you like we can trade alleged and convicted voter fraud and suppression links……….
As for MN, there isn’t any proof, but the article wants YOU to believe it via innuendo and implication.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
Towncrier — “Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes.”
Already debunked. And others have posted this several times before you, despite the debunking.
It’s not evidence, Towncrier. It’s just a meme that’s popular on your side.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
(3 letter word=JOBS)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:12 pm
“Unintentional brilliance on display.”
At least you acknowledge what you post each day. That is a 1st step of curing you of your stupidity
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:13 pm
Towncrier, the last time you posted those false claims about the Franken election they we shown as debunked in 2010….but you never let a good lie die right?
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=15262
GT
October 1st, 2012
2:13 pm
Martin the Calvinist I think getting into the club with an ID threw the “dude” off, but I will witness that you do not sound like a rich person “dude”.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
alittlecommonsense — “OK, both suck – It obviously can’t be proven who they voted for since we have secret ballet in this country. So we have to look at statistics / probabilities. How about this one?”
So are you saying that probabilities should be relied upon to conclude how many valid votes were actually cast? Is that what you’re saying?
Are you the dude who runs UnskewedPolls.com?
St Simons - I can see the Caymans from my house
October 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
I think we have refudiated this ‘voter fraud’ issue.
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
2:15 pm
DannyX, you’re welcome to try, just know ill have a little something for you if I catch you at my mailbox.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:15 pm
Ahem — “you boyz are slow.”
Anything to distract from your failure to support your assertion, eh? (laughing, pointing)
Rightwing Troll
October 1st, 2012
2:15 pm
“Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.
And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.”
So how is voter ID going to rectify the fact that felons allegedly voted in Minnesota?
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
“Like we needed any more proof spammers love to cut ‘n paste, but reading….ah, they can’t be bothered with reading.”
Predictable deflection by a liberal. I guess you imagine the actual convictions are as imaginary as the heroine you pretend to be.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
stevie ray…clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
Moderate Line…
Agreed…
GRANNY,
How’s it hanging? What puzzles me is why we should allow people to vote without any verification of identification…if that is indeed what the DEMS are pushing for…I understand they are pushing legislation to confirm ID with signed affidavit..sounds to me like it’s opportunity for massive fraud…especially for DEMS who would benefit greatly…
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Sounds to me like the collective paranoia of a political party grasping at straws in a vain attempt to appear relevant.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
southpaw — “Unless you’re laughing at the joke, not the person, you’re pointing and laughing in the wrong direction.”
Oh, no, I assure you I’m pointing and laughing in the right direction.
Simple Truths
October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
Doggone, I’ll +1 your 2:10. The system cannot be made fraud proof.
I still think Jay’s point about “None” is a bridge too far.
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
2:18 pm
Can we tatoo bar codes on the dem’s azzes so they can be scanned for their votes?
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
GRANNY,
OK we truly don’t have controls in place today in many areas to actually catch voter fraud..so I’m not surprised not many are caught…question is, how many actually are not caught and would the opportunity/incentive for fraud be increased with no voter id required?
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:20 pm
“Towncrier, the last time you posted those false claims about the Franken election they we shown as debunked in 2010….but you never let a good lie die right?”
Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim. I’ll be waiting on your response. While you are at it, please tell us all just how much voter fraud is acceptable to you?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:21 pm
Towncrier — “Predictable deflection by a liberal.”
Predictable indignation by a conservative who’s been caught out.
“I guess you imagine the actual convictions are as imaginary as the heroine you pretend to be.”
Actually, many of those “convictions” ARE imaginary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#Further_investigations
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
2:21 pm
“Can we tatoo bar codes on the dem’s azzes so they can be scanned for their votes?”
Tattoos can be removed
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
2:21 pm
Keep, unless there is a camera checking my face at the table signing in, the rest ain’t gonna help much and there isn’t one at the clubhouse I vote at. Ink the finger is ok with me, but still doesn’t verify who you are.
I think if you call the power company, they can tell you of thousands of lost power bills. How many are legit, who knows, but nobody is tracing them to voter activity.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
“Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim. I’ll be waiting on your response. While you are at it, please tell us all just how much voter fraud is acceptable to you?”
Were all these votes for Democrats? If so, please provide more than the implication and narrative pushed by the article
I am glad they were caught and convicted. Now on to the proof. You do have it, right?
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!
October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
SoCoBro: Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.
Well that proves it!!! In the con’s mind, those 10 per 15million is an adequate reason to demand voter id!! Why do you hate America SoCoBro? why do you hate america? (DDR sobbing while stars & stripes plays softly in the background).
Moonbat (hiya Moonbat!): Can we tatoo bar codes on the dem’s azzes so they can be scanned for their votes?
Wouldn’t work — however, we can tattoo all those dem bar codes unto YOUR azz — heard it was big enough to handle it.
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
secret ballet?
Bolshoi Ballet or Kirov Ballet.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
Towncrier — “Please explain how 177 actual convictions and 66 more cases awaiting trial is a “false claim.”
Because MM made it up.
When it comes to alleged voter fraud, I suggest you not rely too heavily on anything that Hans von Spakovsky has anything to do with.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
Has anyone verified that the SONS OF CONFEDERATED VETERANS! are eligible to vote?
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
The missing stooge has arrived and now we have heard form all 3.
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
2:25 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
southpaw — “Unless you’re laughing at the joke, not the person, you’re pointing and laughing in the wrong direction.”
Oh, no, I assure you I’m pointing and laughing in the right direction.
And now, there can be no doubt…
Drudge
October 1st, 2012
2:25 pm
Hell Jay, I grew up in Chicago, enough said.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
“I think if you call the power company, they can tell you of thousands of lost power bills. How many are legit, who knows, but nobody is tracing them to voter activity.”
Again, would the person attempting to vote have to vote have to be at the polling place before the individual whose identity was stolen?
Where are all these stories?
You seem to be believing something with actually zero evidence to back it up except that it meets your narrative so it must be so.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
Secret ballet?
Are tutus required attire to go to the polls?
If so, can I purchase a tutu with food stamps at Whole Foods?
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
So how is voter ID going to rectify the fact that felons allegedly voted in Minnesota?
I guess that depends on what information is provided on the ID itself and if it is federal rather than state ID.
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
Kam
The SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS voting rights were restored after they swore an oath to not ever to say SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS again
TaxPayer
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
What Georgia needs most is a leash law. Republicans should not be allowed to wander about so freely especially with so many reported cases of rabies. You say, “bite me”, to a rabid Republican and it could result in your receiving a series of shots.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
Predictable deflection by a liberal.
TC, in case you hadn’t noticed, someone posted the exact same crap about six minutes before you did. You might want to talk to your doctor about premature interjection, I think they have pills for that now.
Are you the guy who blows up group discussions at parties? You know, the ones who just walk up and start yakking away about whatever’s on their mind? Yeah, you’re that guy. The one who never listens to a darn thing but by gawd knows everything, because….well he just does. Even though he’s not sharp enough to realize, hey, somebody else just said that. And then wonders why everyone isn’t amazed by his brilliant powers of discernment and insight.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
2:10 pm
DannyX, I agree the absentee process has plenty of holes in it too and don’t have a good solution for it, but that’s no excuse for not implementing a simple solution at the polls.
How much fraud is ok with you libs? What percent?
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How about we make it 5%?
It’s an incredibly low defect rate.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:28 pm
… form all 3.
Is that anything like form W-2?
Or form 1099?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:28 pm
Ahem — “And now, there can be no doubt…”
On this point, you are correct. There is no doubt whatsoever that you’ve abandoned the field and conceded the point.
Thank you very much; I enjoyed discussing statistics with you and I hope that we can do it again very soon.
Drudge
October 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
Oh and you misspelled Colorado.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
Aquagirl
TC is the guy who knows who is a real Jew vs a fake Jew…….
Scrivener
October 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
SBinF, there is NO constitutional right to vote in a presidential election. Here’s a link from a source you should just love:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2688078
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
Kam
If so, can I purchase a tutu with food stamps at Whole Foods?
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Yep
then you can vote and try out for this LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaDJQui1a2Y
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
Secret ballet?
Are tutus required attire to go to the polls?
If so, can I purchase a tutu with food stamps at Whole Foods?
Pick up a hat while you’re there. A “00″ may be too big, but they come no smaller, peabrain.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
tevie ray…clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
GRANNY,
OK we truly don’t have controls in place today in many areas to actually catch voter fraud..so I’m not surprised not many are caught…question is, how many actually are not caught and would the opportunity/incentive for fraud be increased with no voter id required?
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No, the question is –
Do we make it more difficult to vote for millions of Americans because of suspiscions?
that is so NOT the American way.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:31 pm
“Because MM made it up.”
Care to provide proof of your counter claim?
“When it comes to alleged voter fraud, I suggest you not rely too heavily on anything that Hans von Spakovsky has anything to do with.”
Thanks for your opinion. Please provide proof of your first assertion.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
GOP, TEA PARTY, BOTH FRAUDS
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
“Wouldn’t work — however, we can tattoo all those dem bar codes unto YOUR azz — heard it was big enough to handle it”
So you have heard that song by my good friend Sir Mix Alot?
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
“Please provide proof of your first assertion.”
Yes proof that all the votes were for Democrats
Thanks
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
Towncrier — “Care to provide proof of your counter claim?”
Already did. Read the thread, lazybones.
“Thanks for your opinion. Please provide proof of your first assertion.”
Already did. Please READ it.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
“TC is the guy who knows who is a real Jew vs a fake Jew…”
Actually, the Torah (or first 5 books of the OT) determines that. Please consult for your edification.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
Towncrier, perhaps your problem is your failure to verify the the information to support the 177 voter fraud convictions.
The problem with this assertion—from a new book by The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund and George W. Bush Justice Department attorney Hans von Spakovsky—is that it is not just factually wrong, according to Minnesota Supreme Court records, the Minnesota prosecutor who investigated most of the cases, and some of the country’s top election scholars, but it is intended to rile a segment of the Right that thinks it is patriotic to demonize voting by non-whites and disrupt voting for everyone else.
“They are talking in code to their base,” said Rutgers University’s Lori Minnite, co-author of Keeping Down The Black Vote: Race and the Demobilization of American Voters. “My guess is that von Spakovsky and Fund know exactly what they are doing.”
“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”
“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.”
While we are at it, why don’t you tell us how many thousands or millions of actual citizens you would deny their constitutional right to vote to prevent a single double vote.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
A spokesman for The Minnesota Court Information Office, operated by its Supreme Court, Tuesday said there were 14 voter fraud convictions across the state in 2009, 11 in 2010, and 132 in 2011. The Court records did not say when, or in which election—before 2008, during 2008, or after 2008—the illegal registrations or voting occurred.
In contrast, York arrogantly and erroneously states that 1,099 felons voted illegally in 2008, and that 177 have been convicted, while another 66 are awaiting trial. This 1,099 figure is close to the total number of voter fraud complaints that were submitted and investigated, of which the vast majority were found to be baseless, according to the Hennepin County Attorney, whose office handled the majority of these allegations.
Thank you in advance for your apology to the blog, Towncrier.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
Tell em TC
Call those fake Jews out
hahahahah
clown
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
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“When tutus are outlawed, only outlaws will have tutus.”
–Thomas Jefferson
Drudge
October 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
Wait wait wait, so we are just going to skim over ACORN, Voter Participation Center, ACLU, NAACP antics entirely? Even the ones captured on film or with prefilled ballots in hand? Sure thing, oh, BTW, how is Holder’s lawsuit against Florida for purging registration rolls in accordance with federal law going? Funny that the Democrats would sue a state for obeying and enforcing the law, but that’s not really the earmark of this administration, is it?
DannyX
October 1st, 2012
2:36 pm
I will be at Whole Foods this week recruiting welfare queens for my big absentee ballot fraud caper. The welfare queens will be driving their BMW’s into Cobb and Gwinnett to steal absentee ballots out of mailboxes, those counties are rich in absentee ballots.
I will then turn the ballots over to the New Black Panthers who will then mark them all for Obama then mail them in.
TaxPayer
October 1st, 2012
2:37 pm
Have Republicans offered up even the first tax cut to fund their faux fraud concerns? How are we to take a Republican seriously if they do not preface their issue with tax cuts to fund it.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:37 pm
DannyX
You notice RB can’t provide any evidence to his “stolen utility bill” TALL TALES?
But in reality he doesn’t care if it is true or not, he believes it so that is all that is required for him
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:39 pm
His office investigated Minnesota Majority’s allegation — specifically that more than 450 felons voted illegally in Hennepin County. As Freeman says, “You can’t just cross-reference a couple of databases and report what the computer spits out. You have to invest shoe leather and verify the results.”
That’s what he did. And only 38 of the 450 allegations turned out to be supported with enough evidence to merit charges — less than 1/100 of 1 percent of the people who voted in Hennepin County.
Let’s be clear about the facts of the 2008 election.
Three different panels spent eight months reviewing and adjudicating the election results — and each ruled unanimously that Al Franken was the winner.
Half of the 12 judges who joined in these unanimous rulings were appointed by Republican governors, and they included Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s law partner, an attorney for Pawlenty’s campaign, an attorney for the Minnesota Republican Party, and even a donor to Sen. Norm Coleman’s previous campaign.
Pawlenty himself signed the election certificate, saying that there was “no actual evidence that there’s been any fraud or problems.” And Coleman’s attorney agreed that “there’s no voter fraud, there’s no election fraud.”
I suppose it is understandable that, after such a close election, some partisans on the losing side would continue to look for ways to discredit the outcome. But Fund’s and von Spakovsky’s book is a conclusion (futilely) searching for evidence.
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/171416011.html
stands for decibels
October 1st, 2012
2:42 pm
and von Spakovsky’s book is a conclusion (futilely) searching for evidence.
Spazz-kovsky, more like.
bookman parrot
October 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
typical liberal crybaby stuff. ask to show an identification that you have to show many other places, but the libs cry foul; a made-up foul. a poor oppressed lib foul;
Drudge
October 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Joe Hussein – yeah Minnesota, where 1100 felons voter for Franken, more than 200 have been convicted for voter fraud since.
Jay, that is 1100 cases of voter fraud in one race – how many is acceptable in your opinion? So ‘there’s smoke there’s fire” only applies when a conservative says something?
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
2:44 pm
SBinF, there is NO constitutional right to vote in a presidential election.
Boy, you just couldn’t wait to get that out there, could you? Did anyone specify the right to vote in PRESIDENTIAL elections? Some of us vote on those obscure races like….well, everything else.
God, I can’t wait until Boortz retires and y’all are stuck parroting crap from Herman Cain. Y’all desperately need some new material for your ooh-I-iz-so-smart posts. “The U.S. is not a Democracy, 47% pay no taxes”….blah, blah blah.
It’s all fun and games until Jimmy Carter’s grandson busts presidential candidates repeating your recycled lying memes. Then people with actual working brains realize you’re all blabbing the same source material without thinking about it, and shouldn’t be in charge of anything beyond the VFW Bingo night.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Drudge — “Joe Hussein – yeah Minnesota, where 1100 felons voter for Franken, more than 200 have been convicted for voter fraud since.”
Sorry, but that’s simply not true. Fund and von Spakovsky made it up.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:46 pm
TBS, well if RB was correct about I think if you call the power company, they can tell you of thousands of lost power bills. How many are legit, who knows, but nobody is tracing them to voter activity, funny how he isn’t crying out about how bad the USPS is or that mailing a bill should not be presumption of its delivery.
SO now RB claims to have 1000s of fraudulent voters using fake power bills. Funny how many “Jays” are showing up to vote only to be told “Why Jay, you already voted earlier today….see we checked you off”.
Whole Foods needs a new isle for all these fake voters.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
2:48 pm
bookman parrot
October 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
typical liberal crybaby stuff. ask to show an identification that you have to show many other places, but the libs cry foul; a made-up foul. a poor oppressed lib foul;
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typical con scaredy cattiness.
what a bunch of….kittens.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
October 1st, 2012
2:48 pm
Suck it Cons…..4more for 44…
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:48 pm
Funny how many “Jays” are showing up to vote only to be told “Why Jay, you already voted earlier today….see we checked you off”.
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My point exactly, yet he and others actually believe this $hit.
Where are all the stories of this occurring?
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!
October 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
Betty – Yep! sure Have…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTx5sqvVJ4
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
B. Parrot — “typical liberal crybaby stuff. ask to show an identification that you have to show many other places, but the libs cry foul; a made-up foul. a poor oppressed lib foul;”
And here’s another one that didn’t bother to read the thread.
JamVet
October 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
TC is the guy who knows who is a real Jew vs a fake Jew……
It is hysterical how our cons constantly open mouth and insert feet.
Methinks, Sludge is jonesing for Kyle.
Don’t go away mad, cons…
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
“Towncrier, perhaps your problem is your failure to verify the the information to support the 177 voter fraud convictions.”
No, actually I think the problem lies somewhere else. In principle, not a SINGLE person should vote who is not eligible to do so. If you disagree, then we have a fundamental and irreconcilable point of view. Here is a statement made by in an NYU report (http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/08/16/a-counting-fraud-new-book-by-john-fund-amp-hans/189395):
Legally, there is a vast difference between ineligible voting and fraudulent voting, even though the action could be exactly the same. Intent determines whether the action is fraudulent or not.
To me, this “vast difference between ineligible voting and fraudulent voting” doesn’t much matter since the effect can be the same: people affecting an election by casting votes they shouldn’t BY LAW be casting.
“While we are at it, why don’t you tell us how many thousands or millions of actual citizens you would deny their constitutional right to vote to prevent a single double vote.”
I am on record here as acknowledging that a number of voter ID laws have been imperfectly or even badly written. But that does not mean a person should not be required to identify themselves in as certain a means as possible before voting. Again, if you disagree then we have a fundamental and irreconcilable point of view.
Granny's Grandson
October 1st, 2012
2:51 pm
Granny @11:27 am:
GOP is Anti-American and beyond shameful.
There, corrected your typo.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
2:51 pm
“Where are all the stories of this occurring?”
Did you miss it? They haven’t been caught…so that is PROOF it’s happening! /snarc
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
2:52 pm
Ruh, roh.
North Carolina is getting into the act.
A company hired by the North Carolina GOP to register voters is under review by state election officials after the firm was accused of submitting questionable registration forms in Florida. The state GOP has fired the firm and the state may decide this week whether to launch a full investigation.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
“Tell em TC. Call those fake Jews out.”
Have you anything intelligent to say, TBS? Or is it more of the same stupid ad hominen attack and deflections you liberals are know for – and YEAH, you are a liberal (despite trying to hide behind a moniker that suggests otherwise).
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:55 pm
“Towncrier, perhaps your problem is your failure to verify the the information to support the 177 voter fraud convictions.” No, actually I think the problem lies somewhere else.
Of course you do, punkin. It’s never the fault of the
false informationlies you start with.They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
TC
Quit crying. I will hit you with that stupidity anytime I get the notion. There are your words.
If me pointing out your stupidity is seem to you as an attack, so be it. I suggest you lighten up on the stupidity.
Go cure some gays or call out some fake Jews……… you know those things you do
alittlecommonsense
October 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
Joe Hussein Mama & They BOTH suck -
In the main article, Jay is stating that there is no voter fraud “NONE”. I gave one election where there were 166 CONVICTIONS for voter fraud in a razor thin election.
My point – Jay is WRONG AGAIN. Provably so.
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
RB: No evidence of voter fraud…
Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it?
You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other. Duh….
You people can’t produce proof to show where somebody’s taken a utility bill and cast a vote using someone else’s identity. I am waiting for any single poster here to produce evidence of such an event. Hell, I’ve even given y’all the information you need to produce a single case, and I bet not a single person here has looked at the information.
Since 2000, there have been 10 cases of in person voter fraud out of 2,068 documented cases of fraud in the election system.
Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
If you go to their database, you can find cases of fraud based on different criteria. If you’re gonna argue for something that happened once out of every 15 million voters that were registered since 2000, you should at least have one verifiable case to point to.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
They are, There are
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
Did you miss it? They haven’t been caught…so that is PROOF it’s happening! /snarc
I thought it was “people speed all the time, so this proves voter fraud is common.”
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:58 pm
a little comon sense
I am not Jay. Did I post where no voter fraud ever occurred?
Thanks for clarifying that for me
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:58 pm
“Already did. Read the thread, lazybones.”
So, without investigating the issue further, at least 38 instances of fraud are stipulated. In case you don’t know, distorting the facts is NOT the same as “making them up” – you know, as in there being some factual basis for an assertion versus none. FYI, I interpret making something up as being an instance of the latter and not the former.
stands for decibels
October 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
Jay is stating that there is no voter fraud “NONE”.
No, he isn’t.
Seriously, can you read? Here’s what it says at the top of the column you’re claiming to debunk:
Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None.
that is not the same as claiming that in person voting fraud has never ever happened.
You do get what it means to “alter election outcomes,” yes?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
alittlecommonsense — “In the main article, Jay is stating that there is no voter fraud “NONE”. I gave one election where there were 166 CONVICTIONS for voter fraud in a razor thin election.
My point – Jay is WRONG AGAIN. Provably so.”
Except that you’re BOTH wrong. Jay’s wrong in saying that it never occurs. And *you’re* wrong with that 166 conviction claim.
Result — the match between you and Jay results in a draw.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
3:00 pm
“I suggest you lighten up on the stupidity.”
Good advise, genius. If only you would take it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
SoCo/Bro
Thought you might get a kick out of this thread about an Angry Black Man.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
TC
Quit crying. Take a deep breath. Blow your nose and compose yourself.
Then go call out some fake Jews and cure some gays of their gayness
Skip
October 1st, 2012
3:05 pm
So no election in the history of the United States can be thought of as correct, all could be false? So by the law of averages how many do you cons believe were falsely given to someone? Has to of been a few.
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
GRANNY,
I literally got stuck in an elevator for the past 30 minutes…with a raging bladder that needed emptying:-)
I don’t agree that it is unduely burdensome to require some form of ID and no, I don’t think it is worth it to open a door to real fraud, that will not be detectible, for the sake of addressing the inconvenience of a few voters…I have no idea how many are so inconvenienced by proving who they are and would love to find a creditable source..can you tell me how many voters are missing out on the opportunity to vote as a result?
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
Kam
nunchuck You LMAO
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
Towncrier — “So, without investigating the issue further, at least 38 instances of fraud are stipulated.”
Denied. Charges were filed in only 38 cases. I’m sure you know the difference between being charged and actually being convicted.
“In case you don’t know, distorting the facts is NOT the same as “making them up” – you know, as in there being some factual basis for an assertion versus none.”
If you persist, I’m going to start calling you Hairsplitter and not Towncrier. In case *you* don’t know, conviction = conviction. NOWHERE in all this brouhaha are there anywhere close to 243 people either convicted or awaiting trial, as YOU YOURSELF claimed. So you and your indignance can just dunk your heads and cool off.
“FYI, I interpret making something up as being an instance of the latter and not the former.”
FYI, if you don’t actually HAVE 243 people convicted of or awaiting trial on voter fraud, then you don’t actually have 243 people convicted of or awaiting trial on voter fraud — ergo, it’s been made up.
For your next trick, please tell us what the meaning of the word “is” is.
Brosephus™
October 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.
And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.
Well, if Minnesota had that many cases filed or awaiting charges, they did not provide any proof to News 21 when they were researching voter fraud. According to their database on voter fraud:
Minnesota has 10 cases of alleged election fraud since 2000. By category, Voter had the highest percentage of accused at 100 percent (10 cases). The most prevalent fraud was Felon Casting Ineligible Vote at 80 percent (8 cases). The status of most cases was Unknown at 70 percent (7 cases). Responses to requests for public records varied from state to state. Some state and local officials were quick to respond by sending available records; others failed to provide a single document.
http://votingrights.news21.com/interactive/election-fraud-database/
They have records showing 8 cases of felons voting illegally.
godless heathen
October 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
What would be any other reason?
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
AQUAGIRL,
The argument is that you seem to be suggesting that because so few have been caught, that no more fraud exists and that we catch every single one…like i said, cops can’t catch all the speeders cuz they can’t be everywhere at once..