Dissecting the GOP’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud
And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None.
Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy — the same universe in which Mitt Romney is up 10 points in “unskewed” polling — they are somehow absolutely certain that it occurs, and these supposed “small-government” types are equally certain that new regulations and state bureaucracies all across the country are necessary to prevent it.
This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving poor people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and conservative media are eager to provide it.
Second — whether by intention or happy circumstance — the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification. In Pennsylvania, for example, the state officially estimated that some 759,000 perfectly eligible voters did not possess and identification of the type required by a new state law.
And in Ohio, Republicans are in court insisting that provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct because of mistakes by polling workers must be tossed out and not counted. in other words, through no fault of their own, legally registered voters who did everything by the book would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote. Only a cynic would suggest that the GOP position is driven by the fact that such mistakes occur far more often in more Democratic urban areas, where precincts are much smaller and tightly drawn, making confusion more likely. It’s not an insignificant problem — in 2008, the state tossed 14,355 such ballots, Bloomburg reports.
In fact, the closest we have to evidence of attempted large-scale vote fraud in the current election cycle is a scandal involving a Republican company hired by the Republican National Committee to conduct voter-registration drives in four swing states, including Florida and Colorada.
In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.
Even in this specific case, however, there is no evidence that false registrations were generated in an attempt to alter election outcomes. The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register. The phantom voters thus created were not going to turn up at the polls attempting to vote.
However, other aspects of the Strategic Alliance effort might be more troubling. Voter registration is supposed to be nonpartisan, with voters of all inclinations allowed to register. In the past, however, registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.
Those voters would believe themselves properly registered, only to show up at the voting booth with no record that they had done so. A recent videotape of a Strategic Alliance registration worker outside a Colorado grocery store suggests there may be some basis to those fears:
– Jay Bookman
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Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:12 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm
Ahem — “You are wrong, but I respect your right to be such.”
No, I’m not, and I welcome your presentation of statistical evidence to the contrary.
I will offer the following and you can search for statistics if you like. The bottom line is, I know what I know and arguing with you will be of little benefit to me; you; or the other dozen folks here.
Undecided about the Incumbent
Why do undecided voters decide in favor of challengers?
But our analysis of 155 polls reveals that, in races that include an incumbent, the traditional answers are wrong. Over 80% of the time, most or all of the undecideds voted for the challenger.
The 155 polls we collected and analyzed were the final polls conducted in each particular race; most were completed within two weeks of election day. They cover both general and primary elections, and Democratic and Republican incumbents.
The polls we studied included our own surveys, polls provided to us directly by CBS, Gallup, Gordon S. Black Corp., Market Opinion Research, Tarrance Associates, and Mason-Dixon Opinion Research, as well as polls that appeared in The Polling Report.
In 127 cases out of 155, most or all of the undecideds went for the challenger:
DISPOSITION OF UNDECIDED VOTERS
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Most to challenger 127
Split equally 9
Most to incumbent 19
It seems that undecided voters are not literally undecided, not straddling the fence unable to make a choice – the traditional interpretation. An early decision to vote for the incumbent is easier because voters know incumbents best. It helps to think of undecided voters as undecided about the incumbent, as voters who question the incumbent’s performance in office. Most or all voters having trouble with this decision appear to end up deciding against the incumbent.
The exceptions we found to the Incumbent Rule help support the theory on why this happens.
Many challengers who did not get a majority of undecideds were recent or current holders of an office equal to the one they were seeking. Voters were equally or more familiar with the challenger’s past performance in a similar office, so the challenger assumed incumbent characteristics. Other exceptions include well-known challengers or short-term incumbents.
http://www.pollingreport.com/incumbent.htm
godless heathen
October 1st, 2012
1:12 pm
Are you trolling me? That’s the same thing! If the Constitution says you can’t restrict voting, it’s protecting the right to vote.
The states can restrict voting, that’s why many don’t allow felons to vote.
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
1:14 pm
be ready to shout down Pat Robertson, et al. Even he will calmly observe that a card that’s carried around, as opposed to something embedded subcutaneously, doesn’t fit the description
I think my 12:55 says it all. Never underestimate the nutbaggery ready to spring forth via forwarded e-mails from 0311 types.
Pat hasn’t been the same since he came out of the legalize marijuana closet. I miss the old Pat Robertson who would go bat$#!^ crazy at every possible opportunity.
Boris Badnoff
October 1st, 2012
1:14 pm
Do you have your Messiah phone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
With your Messiah phone you have unlimited minutes on The Messiah’s 12 G network. You can use you Messiah phone to find out where to buy Crack Cocaine with food stamps and to get a personally autographed 8.5 x 12 color photo of Jay Bookman.
Heck I want a few more dozen Messiah phones. This better than winning the lottery.
Whatever
October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
Granny,
Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
1:18 pm
“Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?”
You already do.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
1:18 pm
KUTGF — “Joe, a national ID card will be a significant privacy issue for many. And would require a government agency to oversee and to make sure they are not falsified or stolen. The cross-checks on the electronic ballot system pose a greater risk to our voting system. I don’t have the answers but voter ID does not appear to address the greater risk.”
FWIW, my ID idea is a thought experiment — I’m trying to approach the problem constructively. Rather than stressing over how/why it won’t work, I’m trying to put effort into finding ways to *make* it work.
Maybe you’d care to join me in the pursuit?
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:19 pm
@
BuckeyeInGa
October 1st, 2012
1:01 pm
Well, it sure isn’t the little laminated card a freshman gets from an elder fraternity brother for 20 bucks, bearing the freshman’s name but a stranger’s photograph.
Rightwing Troll
October 1st, 2012
1:20 pm
Weds night should be interesting, Obama the lawyer debating Mittens the CEO…
Mittens, as a CEO, has spent gazillions over the years to insulate himself from lawyers and having to actually submit to questions from such. A good lawyer asking questions is a CEO’s worst nightmare.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:20 pm
Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?
Nope, not if you are registered to vote and meet the registration requirements. But if you prove I voted twice then you can prosecute.
Seems to be working well.
How about you address the real election fraud issues?
Regnad Kcin
October 1st, 2012
1:21 pm
Heathen – thanks for the link! Here’s what it says on their FAQ page:
The term “the Obama Phone” has been all around since the day Barack Obama became the president of the United States of America. Many people think that Obama is giving free cellphones to the poor in order to redistribute the wealth of rich people. Since then two groups are mudslinging at each other.
It’s true that government provides free cellphones to the poor and disabled people. But the Obama part is not true as Obama didn’t initiate this program. It’s on the run since the administration of Reagan.”
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:23 pm
yuzeyurbrane
October 1st, 2012
1:09 pm
Ahem–it has been written by someone that a pun is the lowest form of humor. Probably true, but nonetheless I will credit you for funny pun.
I guess I am confused. Koch rhymes with Coke and I assumed you were a Pepsi man. Surely, you didn’t think it rhymed with…?
Joseph
October 1st, 2012
1:25 pm
Fast & Furious, Libya cover up, already admitting debate defeat… and Bookman worries about this… LOL…
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:26 pm
It’s true that government provides free cellphones to the poor and disabled people
Not exactly. No taxpayer dollars are used. The services are provided through a non-profit agency funded by a portion of the universal service fees.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
Ahem — “I will offer the following and you can search for statistics if you like.”
In other words, you won’t support your claim. Thought so.
“The bottom line is, I know what I know and arguing with you will be of little benefit to me; you; or the other dozen folks here.”
The bottom line is — quite simply — that your mind’s made up, so you’re going to post conforming data without even looking at its quality or looking at it with a critical eye.
Pollingreport.com didn’t bother to disclose its methodology, it’s sampling technique or why it chose to include its *own* house polls in a population that included polls from CBS, Gallup, MOR and Mason-Dixon. For all you know, PollingReport cherry-picked its data, but you’re ready to swallow it.
Shrug. I didn’t expect anything better from you.
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
Rightwing Troll
October 1st, 2012
1:20 pm
Weds night should be interesting, Obama the lawyer debating Mittens the CEO…
Mittens, as a CEO, has spent gazillions over the years to insulate himself from lawyers and having to actually submit to questions from such. A good lawyer asking questions is a CEO’s worst nightmare
But then there is the bright white light, known as the truth and that will make Oblunda squirm. I suspect Willard “Mitt” Romney will pummel Oblunda with some truths about his failed administration and lay it out for the future of our country in a way that will bring the “independents” onboard. Of course the media, and the leftie bloggers will see it 180 degrees different than so many.
indigo
October 1st, 2012
1:29 pm
If you want to rig an election, you don’t engage in any voter fraud. Instead, you rig the vote count.
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:29 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
So as anticipated, you have nothing, even less than I posted.
St Simons
October 1st, 2012
1:29 pm
why are cons afraid of high turnout, every ‘merkan participating?
Bookman's Parrot
October 1st, 2012
1:30 pm
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Child, please
October 1st, 2012
1:33 pm
Democratic Party, the party of Minority Voter Suppression for over a Century! (1865-1965+)
Had to fight a Civil War to free more than half the male popluation of the South to vote. Luckily, the vote was granted to women in 1920 without a second war. Thank God for Yankees (and the Repulican Party, the Abolition Party). Go ahead, look up Abolitionists and see how many of them were Southern Dems
Progressives are really much better, since the birth of the movement in the early 1900s they just wanted to breed out the minorities via eugenics programs. Now that’s what I call a big step forward for human rights!
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:33 pm
Joe, I would likely object to the privacy concerns with the national ID…but here’s a thought, didn’t Bush already solve the voter fraud issue in Iraq. When you voted, your finger was inked to be sure you did not vote again. I am sure we can come up with some inks to address the voting 2x issue and it may even encourage some to vote who might not (and cheaper than a I voted sticker)
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
1:34 pm
Whatever
October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
Granny,
Should you not have to prove your identity to vote?
.
.
.
Let me begin by noting that although you want me to answer your question you must be unprepared to answer mine.
That said, your identity is established when you intially register.
Requiring additional identification amounts to a poll tax and based on the data presented over and over and over -that in person voter fraud is very nearly non existant – it would be just plain wasteful and stupid.
If there are no additional requirements for ID for absentee ballots
then ID for in person voting becomes a civil rights issue.
Why one? Why not all?
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:35 pm
Dang it.. I screwed up. I did not say Blame Bush…… cons are not going to know how to react with their standard canned responses… “Who?” or “Can’t a lib say something good about Bush”.
Krystal'sBalls
October 1st, 2012
1:35 pm
“The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register.”
This was the same thing that happened at ACORN, which many on the right have worked overtime since to undermine the entire voting because of that boogeyman. Of course in fairness, neither was that in-person voter fraud. Funny how that works. Karma I guess.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:37 pm
the gop is a bunch of angry insecure racist white men who afraid of confident black men…
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
1:38 pm
Why is it only dems are either too stupid or too lazy to get a valid ID? You NEVER hear if at R complaining about this.
And thanks for supporting the need for it with your story about Sproul, jay. That’s exactly why it’s needed.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:39 pm
THE GOP loves theyre negros like HERMAN CAIN…hes a good boy who obeys his racist handlers real well
St Simons
October 1st, 2012
1:39 pm
and 30 mi down the road in the banana republic of Fla, they’re
urging smaller precincts to use churches as polling places (they’re
more convenient, yknow). and whatta you know, the police have
‘volunteered’ to ’secure’ the church/pollingplaces with crime tape
and circle the church with cop cars. No intent there, huh?
They want to control the curriculum in Georgia, and control who votes
in Flow-rida. The cons might think themselves clever,
but from a distance,
they look like sweaty pigs sweatin’ a future that does not include them
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm
rbgwinnet
this didnt become a problem until a black family entered the white house…
getalife
October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm
The gop are a hate group.
Vote them out.
DannyX
October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm
“Why one? Why not all?”
Why won’t any of the defenders of voter id answer that??????
Krystal'sBalls
October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm
@Child, please
And the L.A. Dodgers used to be the BROOKLYN Dodgers. The Atlanta Braves the MILWAUKEE Braves, the Utah Jazz used to be the NEW ORLEANS Jazz… so what’s your point????
I have always thought that little argument to be a shallow and stupid one.
ClydeFrog
October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm
I don’t really think there is a voter fraud problem in this country.
However, I don’t see why it’s a problem to require people to show valid state-issued ID when they vote. Isn’t everyone required to have some kind of state-issued ID? Can’t the police demand that you present ID on request? Maybe that’s not the case but I thought it was. Who doesn’t have some form of ID? How do they cash checks? Get an apartment?
I believe that any state (or federal) issued ID should be adequate though.
Verbal Kint
October 1st, 2012
1:41 pm
See, it does happen.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-14/news/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910_1_general-election-voter-fraud-vote-on-local-issues
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:41 pm
why do christian conservatives hate americans so much?
Moderate Line
October 1st, 2012
1:42 pm
It is interesting to here the complaints by both concerning voting. At the end of the day both sides are trying to shroud self interest in the name of morals. The New Yorker had an interesting article showing that voting rules have always been a contentious issue. The word ballot actually comes from the Italian word for little ball. Believe it or not but people have protested secret ballots and the government producing ballots. The citizens of Kentucky voted viva voce until 1891. according to the New Yorker. The left actually protested government printed ballots even though government printed ballots reduce fraud. The reason for opposing was that government printed ballots made it hard for many people who could not read to vote. Prior to this people would bring their own printed ballot to the polls. Democracy has a long history of both vote fraud and voter suppression. What is interesting though turnout was over 60% up until 1908. We haven’t had an election over 60% since 1968. In 1996 Bill Clinton won less than half the vote with less than half the people turning out.
The greatest problem is neither voter fraud or voter suppression but voter apathy.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_lepore#ixzz284ME5XoR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_electionshttp://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_lepore
moonbat betty (mooching moonbat)
October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
My mooching mutt ate my ID card.
Verbal Kint
October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
These people didn’t even know how they got registered in FLA:
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
“Isn’t everyone required to have some kind of state-issued ID?:
No
Regnad Kcin
October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
“Can’t the police demand that you present ID on request?”
Your papers, please?
No.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
Can’t the police demand that you present ID on request?
Not in most states.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
this ploy by the racist gop wont help because OBAMA will still win…the gop offers nothing but fear and hate no policies to run on …
John
October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
Where is the right to vote explicitly state in the US constitution?
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
1:45 pm
No evidence of voter fraud…
Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it?
You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other. Duh….
Don't Tread
October 1st, 2012
1:46 pm
“the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification”
Liberals hate the notion of showing ID to vote, but apparently it was ok to require ID if you wanted to go to their convention, or even walk around near it.
What hypocrites.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 1st, 2012
1:47 pm
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
1:38 pm
Why is it only dems are either too stupid or too lazy to get a valid ID? You NEVER hear if at R complaining about this.
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.
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Very simple answer really….
Because like this knucklehead, they think this is in their best interests…
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/pennsylvania_gop_leader_voter_id_will_help_romney.php
However, it actually illustrates the need for some serious reform with in the GOP.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
“Where is the right to vote explicitly state in the US constitution?”
AMENDMENT XV
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it?
RB, my recommendation is that you give up your thoughts of a life of crime. First besides violating postal laws with your theft, your license could be noted, you could be caught on cameras going into or out of the voting areas, parking lots or many other places. And tell us, you’re stealing this info to change an election outcome by voting how many times in a single day and you have to conspire with how many others?
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
conservatives are still angry about the 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT…thats why theyre trying these JIM CROW tactics to stop people from voting
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
Ahem — “So as anticipated, you have nothing, even less than I posted.”
(laughing, pointing)
You made your claim and you won’t back it up with evidentiary support. So instead of backing yourself up, you demand evidence from me.
So if your standard’s going to be presenting bulldada and then demanding that I prove you wrong, why should I play your game?
Be a man. Show some honesty and character. Back up your claim or else retract it.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
why wasnt voter fraud a problem when DUBYA was screwing up the country
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
Liberals hate the notion of showing ID to vote, but apparently it was ok to require ID if you wanted to go to their convention, or even walk around near it. What hypocrites
Hmmm that must be why the conned did not require ID to vote in their primaries.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
“Tell me , Jay, if I stop by your house on the way home today and take your power bill out of your mailbox, show up and vote with it, how would somebody prove it? ”
Is this being done on a grand scale? If so, for it work, wouldn’t the person attempting to vote illegally have to vote before the “real person” does?
Why are we not hearing about this? It is rampant, right?
St Simons
October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
Rick ‘Meddycare Fraud’ Scott’s signature program of voter purging
has netted a total of (drum roll) – 6 voters purged out of a ‘list’
of 198 potential, at a cost of $300,000 and rising.
$50,000 per voter – now that’s a typical con ‘good bidness’ move.
That’s about what they’re spending per voter on the teevee commercials,
it seems like.
and Obama the Mammmmba (thwack!) is still gonna win Flow-rida
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
1:51 pm
RB — “You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other.”
Shame you didn’t actually read the thread. Doing so might have saved you from saying this and looking foolish.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:51 pm
why dont the repubs just tell the truth and admit that they hate seeing a black family in the whitehouse? at least be honest about your racism…
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
Ahem
Is Univision going to shock the world tonight?
Make sure you fill us in
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
@
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”
Simple Truths
October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
“And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.
None. ”
Jay, there was an instance in Maryland of a candidate for state senate who voted in Maryland and Florida in several elections. That doesn’t sound legal. You may want to walk back your “None” stance.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-14/news/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910_1_general-election-voter-fraud-vote-on-local-issues
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:53 pm
conservative christians see muslims, illegal aliens and fraudalent voters behind every tree…
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
1:54 pm
Where is the right to vote explicitly state in the US constitution?
Y’all are so cute when you parrot Neal Boortz. It’s like a little redneck boy getting his first mullet, just like his daddy.
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
1:54 pm
…hate seeing a black family in the whitehouse?
Without equivocation I can proudly say that I hate seeing THIS black family in the White House.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
“Jay, there was an instance in Maryland of a candidate for state senate who voted in Maryland and Florida in several elections. That doesn’t sound legal”
Did it alter the election results?
Dead voters, multiple voters, fraudulent voters
October 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
We will show up on election day to vote for the Dems. Just like we always do.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:56 pm
AHEM
U mean ANY BLACK FAMILY…let me guess you were gonna vote for HERMAN CAIN right…lol
DannyX
October 1st, 2012
1:57 pm
“You people keep asking for proof out of one side of your mouth while demanding no proof can be required out of the other.”
Actually it’s the supporters of voter id that are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Why should you have to show voter id to vote in person but not to vote with an absentee ballot?
What happens if I stop by your house on the way home and steal your absentee ballot and vote with it?
What do you think is going to happen? Is ACORN going to recruit 10,000 people to go around stealing power bills, then wait in line numerous times to register to vote using those names? Then have the same people wait in line to vote 100 times each. RIDICULOUS!
Although they could to vote absentee!!!!
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
1:57 pm
RB
Where are the new stories of all these missing utility bills? Which states is this occurring in the most?
How many documented cases of people going to vote only to find out someone else already voted using their name can you provide?
alittlecommonsense
October 1st, 2012
1:58 pm
In the ‘08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.
Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.
Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.
And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.
The election was particularly important because Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163
Simple Truths
October 1st, 2012
1:58 pm
Doggone – “Did it alter the election results?”
Don’t know. But, it is an attempt to alter the outcome. This counters Jay’s claim. He didn’t indicate “successful attempt” or “wide-scale attempt”
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:59 pm
voter fraud didnt become a problem until a black man became president
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
2:00 pm
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
Ahem
Is Univision going to shock the world tonight?
Make sure you fill us in
¿Está demasiado perezoso para ver que tiene para usted y averiguar? O podría ser que usted no quiere saber? O podría ser que lo que usted pregunta sinceramente porque usted no tiene Univisión?
That is spanish, in case you were confused.
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
2:00 pm
Keep, no cameras at my voting place. Not showing anybody a license. What else yo got?
And tell Al Gore a few votes don’t matter.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
simple truths
why wasnt voter frraud a problem when DBUA was in office…
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
“This counters Jay’s claim. He didn’t indicate “successful attempt” or “wide-scale attempt”
Ummm…I suggest you re-read what you quoted: “And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.”
A few fraudulent votes are not a real attempt to alter the results. It would have to be widespread and pervasive to even have a chance to do that.
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
Moderate Line…
Agreed…
GRANNY,
How’s it hanging? What puzzles me is why we should allow people to vote without any verification of identification…if that is indeed what the DEMS are pushing for…I understand they are pushing legislation to confirm ID with signed affidavit..sounds to me like it’s opportunity for massive fraud…especially for DEMS who would benefit greatly…
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
2:01 pm
dubya
sheepdawg
October 1st, 2012
2:02 pm
paranoid republicians, their idiocy only works on stupid rednecks
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:02 pm
alittlecommon sense
Wingfield presented that same article awhile back. Asked why that conservative group nor he could definitely say that all those votes were cast for Democrats, he has exactly nothing to say……..
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Make the assertion, be prepared to back it up
DannyX
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
“What else yo got?”
RB, I sent in a request for an absentee ballot using your name, I’m going to steal it out of your mailbox and vote for Obama!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
Ahem — “Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”
You must mean a *four*-word phrase. (pointing, laughing)
And your surrender and concession are both noted and appreciated.
Doggone/GA
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
“What puzzles me is why we should allow people to vote without any verification of identification…if that is indeed what the DEMS are pushing for…”
Rest easy…it isn’t
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
RB
You have any of those missing utility bill stories or just living in hypothetical world today?
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
the pathetic insecure gop is getting desperate…they still mad that OSAMA is dead they wanted the mission to fail so OBAMA could look as pathetic as DUBYA
St Simons
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
Tell me , Jay, if I stop by the Hadron collider on the way home today
and take one atom out of the lab-box, show up at the science fair with it,
how would somebody prove all the atomic research that ever came
before it was a fraud?
see, that am radio stuff sounds real smooth & believable when its a
one-way lecture & there’s no one in the car or trailer there to refute it.
RB from Gwinnett
October 1st, 2012
2:04 pm
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
1:59 pm
voter fraud didnt become a problem until a black man became president
Take your racist garbage somewhere else, dude. Your schtic is tired already.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:04 pm
alittlecommonsense — “And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.”
MM’s spurious and dishonest claims have already been debunked on this thread.
Towncrier
October 1st, 2012
2:04 pm
“And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud. None.”
I don’t know what quite what you meant by phrasing your assertion the way you have, Jay (did you intend to “write off” actual instances of voter fraud as not “attempts to alter election outcomes”?), but here is just one recent example that I think invalidates your entire column:
In the ‘08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.
Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.
Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.
http://townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2012/08/13/when_1099_felons_vote_in_a_race_won_by_312_ballots/page/full/
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:05 pm
JHM @ 2:03
I saw that, but decided to let it go. Pretty damn funny.
Of course this is the same blogger who actually thinks that Univision is going to be running a “bombshell” news story tonight………..
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
too bad gop but the country is getting a darker hue
Simple Truths
October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
Doggone: “A few fraudulent votes are not a real attempt to alter the results.”
So, fraud is okay as long as it isn’t a real attempt? Help me out here Dog, I’m not following you. It sounds like you say some cheating is okay as long as there isn’t too much. Please provide some clarity.
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
GOP-ANTIBLACK etc…
Playing a no-holds barred race card really a simple minded position….
I guess if you were white and voted for obama in 2008 and will not vote for him today you are racists? I heard a guy on America Left the other day say the new word to replace racism is slavery…
How does this sort of BS help matters?
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
RB, you sure there are no cameras? Funny there are traffic cameras, ATM cameras, cameras in parks, and more every day. Most schools, churches and many parking lots have cameras. There are even cameras on some hiking trails. But I am sure if you don’t see them, they don’t exist.
And I gave my low cost suggestion…. ink the finger.
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:07 pm
TC
Why doesn’t the article say how those felons voted?
Are we to assume it because it is implied or does the article provide actual proof?
Aquagirl
October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm
here is just one recent example that I think invalidates your entire column:
You need to be a little faster on the spam trigger.
Like we needed any more proof spammers love to cut ‘n paste, but reading….ah, they can’t be bothered with reading.
the GOP is anti black,hispanic,woman, and poor but they love GOD
October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm
rb gwinnet
i know you racists hate being calle out but why wasnt there any voter fraud problem when BUSH was president…now all of a suden its a “big” problem now that a black man is president
alittlecommonsense
October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm
OK, both suck – It obviously can’t be proven who they voted for since we have secret ballet in this country. So we have to look at statistics / probabilities. How about this one?
Academic work by Jeff Manza and Marcus Britton of Northwestern University and Christopher Uggen of the University of Minnesota estimated that Bill Clinton pulled 86 percent of the felon vote in 1992 and a whopping 93 percent in 1996.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/12/john-lott-senator-al-franken-minnesota-felons-democrat/#ixzz284We9bFU
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
2:08 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
Ahem — “Biden overheard saying to you on my behalf: “It is a three word phrase abbreviated by STFU”
You must mean a *four*-word phrase. (
you boyz are slow. Biden was the operative word. Google “Biden blunders” and then it will make sense (3 letter word=JOBS)
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm
TowNCRIER,
Of course there are only remote examples of folks getting CAUGHT…cops don’t catch all speeders…
Seems the DEMS want to open the floodgates of possilbity of fraud by not requiring any id whatsoever…
Ahem
October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm
They BOTH suck
October 1st, 2012
2:05 pm
JHM @ 2:03
I saw that, but decided to let it go
Unintentional brilliance on display.