On election night, a reality check looms for someone
The multiplicity of modern media has made it possible to create worlds within worlds, realities within realities. You can, for example, choose a reality in which Barack Obama is up by 3.5 percentage points, with an 80 percent chance of being re-elected, or you can choose to live in a competing reality in which “unskewed” polling reports the happy news that Mitt Romney is actually up almost eight points in national polls.
However, a time will always arrive when your created reality must be “trued up” against actual reality. You can delay that moment, you can dodge that moment, but eventually it must come. Media technology, with all of its magic, has not yet created a work-around to that harsh exercise.
In the runup to the Iraq War, for example, the Bush administration created a reality in which Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, American forces would be greeted as liberators, ethnic differences in Iraq were of little consequence and the invasion would more or less pay for itself. Actual reality proved to be quite a bit different, but it took several agonizing years for our leaders to admit just how delusional their created reality had been, and to realign their policies accordingly.
Election days also have a way of realigning created realities to actual reality. On the evening of Nov. 6, we will not only have an answer to whether the polls or the “unskewed polls” had proved more accurate, we will learn a lot more about the American people as well. Each political party entered this campaign season confident that it had the backing of the majority of Americans; each believed that its message was more true to American values and more responsive to America’s needs.
The election is going to tell us which reality was correct, and which is in need of alteration.
In my own personal created reality — and given human limitations and our imperfect understanding of the world, we all live in created realities of varying accuracies — Barack Obama should and probably will be re-elected. In my reality, those conservatives who have been pouring into movie theaters to see “2016: Obama’s America” may have to come to grips on Election Night with the fact that a majority of their fellow Americans simply do not see the world as they do, that in fact they, not the president and his supporters, are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream.
I understand that would not be easy to accept, and that most will employ any means available to avoid doing so. The process is already underway and is easily observable. For example, the claim that current polls are biased against conservatives is at root a defense mechanism that allows them to deny in public, and for a while, an outcome that many of them in private now fear to be looming.
And should that argument fail, fear not, because this is a defense in layers. Conservatives are already preparing a fallback defense blaming their loss on the media. Beyond that they have prepared a defense in which they blame it on Mitt Romney, and beyond that on the Republican establishment that forced the selection of Romney on a party base that knew better.
All of those layers of psychic defense are designed to defend the inner sanctum, the holy of holies. Whatever happens, blame must not be allowed to fall on the conservative message. Blame it on those selected to spread the message, blame it on those who distorted the message, blame it on those too stupid to appreciate the message, but whatever happens, do not blame it on the message.
Because if the message is wrong, it forces a readjustment to reality that is too painful to be considered.
Read, for example, Erick Erickson, the CNN analyst and Redstate.com founder:
“There are a lot of elitist Republicans who have spent several years telling us Mitt Romney was the only electable Republican. Because the opinion makers and news media these elitists hang out with have concluded Romney will not win, the elitists are in full on panic mode. They conspired to shut out others, tear down others, and prop up Romney with the electability argument. He is now not winning against the second coming of Jimmy Carter. They know there will be many conservatives, should Mitt Romney lose, who will not be satisfied until every bridge is burned with these jerks, hopefully with the elitist jerks tied to the bridge as it burns.”
Read his conservative colleague, Ben Domenech:
“There will be very negative consequences for a Romney loss for the power of center-right elites who are largely viewed as foisting him on the base despite the latter’s objections. A Romney loss almost certainly pushes the 2016 nominee rightward, and I doubt the megaphones will be powerful enough to frame the 2012 contest, as they did in 2008, as one where the conservative Veep choice dragged down the ticket.
“Like it or not, the money and opinion elites on the center-right own Romney’s failure from the perspective of the base — they need him to win. And the reality is that if Romney loses, it will have little if anything to do with Paul Ryan’s big ideas, tactical choices, or elite misgivings — and far more to do with the simple fact that Romney is still disliked by most voters.”
Both men insist — and on this they are correct — that the battle is not yet lost. There is still time — barely — to turn the race around, although at this point something major would have to happen to do so. I have yet to see such anguished handwringing from anyone on the left, which tells you something.
The thrust of the argument from Erickson, Domenech and many others is equally telling: Should we fail, our failure can be explained only by the fact that our movement has been insufficiently pure, that our message is insufficiently pure, and that we ourselves have been insufficiently pure. Move farther right, ever farther right, for there lies true salvation.
From my version of reality, that response dooms you to perpetual minority status. From theirs, it represents pursuit of the true faith. And one of those realities is very very wrong.
– Jay Bookman
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I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
Steve, I’m with you, but Jay is doing EXACTLY what he’s paid to do. And they enjoy a few like us to visit to spit at and poke with a stick. If they were left totally alone, they would certainly start to believe this world of dribble they live in.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
September 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
I’m a liberal, I lived in Aiken for a year while working as a contractor at what the locals call “the bomb plant”. Has not made any bombs for decades though. Liked it. Would live there again but it would be a hard sell to Mrs RINO. I am more of a systems/analyst type and not an accountant, but have had to work with that type stuff enough to know a little about it.
mm
September 26th, 2012
2:44 pm
“I will vote on November 2nd and will urge all others that are not pleased with the way the country is headed to do the same.”
Please do. Because the election is on November 6th.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
Go look in the dictionary under “opinion,” Shamrock. I write an opinion column and blog. Opinion is, by definition, “biased.” The fact that you profess surprise at finding opinion in a clearly labeled opinion site …. well, I’ll just leave it at that.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
Mark in mid-town — “John Kerry from 1998″
I’m aware of all the Congressional jabber, and I’ve said here several times that I reserve special obloquy for lawmakers on BOTH sides who voted for the AUMF.
That said, President Bush was, in his own words, “The Decider,” and so your attempt to slough off the collective responsibility for the war onto the Democrats fails.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
2:35 pm
Jack……..no, the reality is that if they find out that hot dogs are bad for you, they want to ban hot dog,,,,,,,not that just THEY give them up.
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Damn, and I thought Bloomberg was a Republican……….
Oh and I left my safehouse link off the last post…….
http://www.safehouseoutreach.org/
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
All that is good Fred. You sound like a good person.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
Steve
I think actually it’s Jay’s sense of humor that makes him respond to your posts.
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
“I’m a liberal…” are you saying Jay has no integrity and does this only for a paycheck?
Zebra
September 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
The most mind-boggling thing about this race is the Right really thought they could win with a guy who refused to provide his own complete tax story and added a radical to their ticket who wants to shred the safety net so they can give Kim Kardashian money to invest in China and India.
It is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.The Dukakis campaign was weak but this is terrible.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
2:47 pm
Jay — “Go look in the dictionary under “opinion,” Shamrock. I write an opinion column and blog. Opinion is, by definition, “biased.” The fact that you profess surprise at finding opinion in a clearly labeled opinion site …. well, I’ll just leave it at that.”
You’d think that people who routinely swallow the sewage that Fox, Rasmussen and Limbaugh put out wouldn’t have such easily offended senses of smell and taste.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
Speaking of the bomb plant. The head of the PSC was on the radio here yesterday and said there is a move in Washington to can Wacknhut from their 80 million dollar security contract and move the US Military in to protect SRS. Hum. That will coat a lot of jobs here, but may save the government money.
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
Joe Mama –
Jay is a journalist by trade. Check out his bio. He has also claimed to not be biased.
Sorry, I am not going to just let him spew one side of the story.
Ain’t gonna happen…unless he pulls the ultimate wuss maneuver and bans my posts.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
2:51 pm
Ima liberal: Have they changed the fact that after the 5 year depreciation that the truck goes off the books? If they haven’t, you can then sell the truck, don’t have to declare it, and can pocket the cash. I’ve never done it but I know others who have. As far as I know it’s quite legal. Same with other tools although I don’t sell tools. LOL I have enough tools for 6 crews still cluttering up my garage. Good stuff too……….
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
2:51 pm
Ima Librul — “The head of the PSC was on the radio here yesterday and said there is a move in Washington to can Wacknhut from their 80 million dollar security contract and move the US Military in to protect SRS.”
Did they mention any bill numbers? I’d be interested in reading such legislation.
Wonder how many soldiers or Marines they’d garrison in the area for a task like that.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
shamrock,
“Suck on that ”
I think we found Foxy Lady for the right.
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
jay, 12:27
it’s funny, since obama will not even release his college transcripts….liberals do as i say, not as i do….
this column is a waste of space, another hit piece on republicans….enjoy the ‘total alteration’ of your radical leftist democrat party brought on by hacks like you and leftists like obama…..
oh, and the polls by the liberal media are trying to shape public opinion instead of reporting on it…..which is why they are polling more democrats and not even polling independents like the very latest polls in fla and ohio…..desperate times call for desperate measures in the dem party eh jay, which is why you are writing drivel like this…..
Jay
September 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
Oh my. Shamrock wants to be my one-man truth squad?
This sounds promising. :>)
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
2:54 pm
Jay is a journalist by trade. Check out his bio. He has also claimed to not be biased.
When has he EVER claimed not to be biased on his OPINION BLOG? You really are reaching and aren’t very bright.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
2:54 pm
Fred, I don’t have all the info yet, but I’m being told that lot’s of my expenditures that I normally take a full one year write off on are going to now depreciated over time thus a higher one year tax bill
East Lake Ira
September 26th, 2012
2:54 pm
dammit mm, republicans vote on the 2nd just like they always have!
getalife
September 26th, 2012
2:54 pm
bilbob,
birther much?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
2:55 pm
S. Shamrock — “Joe Mama – Jay is a journalist by trade. Check out his bio. He has also claimed to not be biased.”
I’m aware of that. Do you know the difference in news reportage and opinion? Jay writes an *opinion* column. Given how exercised you are on this topic, one wonders if you were also demanding Paul Harvey’s head on a a platter when he was still alive.
“Sorry, I am not going to just let him spew one side of the story.”
He doesn’t need your permission to post as he pleases.
“Ain’t gonna happen…unless he pulls the ultimate wuss maneuver and bans my posts.”
Just bear in mind that the First Amendment only constrains Congress — so it will not help you here.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
2:55 pm
Jay — “This sounds promising. :>)”
Jay’s got a new boyfriend.
Or at least a new internet chew-toy.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
jay, 12:27
it’s funny, since obama will not even release his
birth certificate, kindergarten attendence record, clean underwear certificate, I’m an American card, any other stupid ass trivial document some fright winger can think ofcollege transcripts……….+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
there I fixed that for you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
LOL I have enough tools for 6 crews still cluttering up my garage. Good stuff too…
Yeah, me too. Maybe not 6 crews, but a couple at least. A dozen or so nail guns, three miter saws, a couple of compressors….
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
Joe, he didn’t and not sure a bill has reached Congress, but it’s in committee and that would be about a 3,000 job loss for this area.
southpaw
September 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
Sorry, Fred @2:51. If Ima liberal depreciates the entire cost of a truck, then he’s “supposed to” count the sales price as income. Pocketing the cash is fine, but not declaring the income brings up the question, “Is it cheating if I don’t get caught?” Sounds like you know some who weren’t caught–at least not yet.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
I think we found Foxy Lady for the right
Well, hold on to her. We might could use her on Nov. 7 cause a whole bunch of us will be hiding in our trailer and throwing rocks otherwise. I can sorta imagine the talk that morning: “Can you beleive it, Mary Lou? They went and reelected that Socialist Muslim N_____! We’re living amongst morans!”
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
Jay, the Republicans already are a permanent minority party, always first and foremost taking care of their chosen few. As we know from the past, they not only govern like a minority party, why only the wealthiest benefit from their policies, but they campaign like a minority party as well, doubling down on their ideology when they know we know it won’t work.
And if they go any further to the right, as you suggest they might, like with more of their voter suppression and unwillingness to compromise, they’ll be living in the ideological shadows of an American fourth reich. And while this might sound kind of crazy, I know, where else could they go, unless they change and decide to believe in American democracy again!
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:00 pm
Thanks Southpaw, it never sounded legit to me but the folks that did it swore it was. I wouldn’t do it though and never even asked my accountant about it.
Doggone/GA
September 26th, 2012
3:00 pm
“I’m aware of all the Congressional jabber, and I’ve said here several times that I reserve special obloquy for lawmakers on BOTH sides who voted for the AUMF.”
Me too…but the bottom line is that they gave Bush the authorization to DECIDE. So it wouldn’t matter if that AUMF had passed 100% in both Houses…it was still BUSH who made the decision and who gets the lion’s share of the blame
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
3:02 pm
Doggone — “Me too…but the bottom line is that they gave Bush the authorization to DECIDE. So it wouldn’t matter if that AUMF had passed 100% in both Houses…it was still BUSH who made the decision and who gets the lion’s share of the blame”
Exactly my point to Mr. Mid-Town.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
Jay
And Emmylou is going to be on CMT’s “Crossroads” tomorrow night with Mumford and Sons. I know you’re a fan of both.
Scrivener
September 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
When Mary Elizabeth says” Hopefullly, our world will continue to evolve in the direction of greater egalitarianism, as demonstrated through this election…”
that kind of thinking is really scary. I seriously suggest she talk to some people who escaped the communist Soviet Union and see how they felt about being in a society where they tried to make everyone and everything equal. Besides killing any incentive to excel, don’t forget, you eventually run out of other people’s money. Like I said, really scary stuff being espoused around here.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
Yeah, me too. Maybe not 6 crews, but a couple at least. A dozen or so nail guns, three miter saws, a couple of compressors….
well I guess I should rephrase that. I AM down to one small compressor. I had one stolen (at a free job lol) and “lent” the others out to guys trying to get started.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
September 26th, 2012
3:04 pm
“That will [cost] a lot of jobs here, but may save the government money.”
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I’m a liberal, from most of your postings I glean you lean towards the GOP point of view. So that must be quite the paradox when saving the government money hits that close to home. I am at heart a fiscal conservative but this is an example of where I have drifted away from the GOP and their tax policy. It is easy to want smaller government until the reality of what it means in the cost of local jobs and services sets in. As an analytical person, I can only see the budget and deficit getting better with both cuts and increase taxes. I simply do not see it possible to get there with cuts alone.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
3:04 pm
Thanks Tom! Excellent!
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Tom, you and I could on and on WHY the republicans are a minority party now, and it’s not because of a lot of bad ideas. There are a lot of of dem voters who have been cultivated out of a life of cradle to grave dependency that any society will have, but it has grown here in great numbers……And to stay on the plan, you vote. It’s pretty simple.
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Fred the Dope….
Just yesterday from Jay…Jay “tries” not to be biased…”I can try, and do try”
“However, I can try, and do try, although in this current job that is not exactly a job requirement. But I know for a fact that most of the professional reporters I know honestly do try to avoid injecting bias into their work. Achieving that goal is probably impossible — we’re all human — but they honestly do try to do so.”
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
…that kind of thinking is really scary.
Socialism — BOO!
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:07 pm
Fred…do you feel stupid now?
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:07 pm
Like I said, really scary stuff being espoused around here.
Naw, nothing scary here, just ideas. Some good some bad, but nothing to be frightened of.
I know you talk radio fanatics live on a diet of fear servered to you hourly by your fright wing talk radio fearmongering hosts, but the rest of us are made of sterner stuff and don’t scare so easily. We aren’t afraid of new ideas independent thought or free speech.
You can come out from under the bed son, we’ll protect you.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
3:08 pm
Shamrock, your penchant for name-calling could develop into a problem.
Just ask Fred.
DannyX
September 26th, 2012
3:08 pm
The liberal media has also infiltrated the college football polls. The liberal media top 20 is a joke.
Here is the official Unskewed Top 10
1 Rutgers 4-0
2 Minnesota 4-0
3 Northwestern 4-0
4 La Tech 3-0
5 UTSA 4-0
6 Louisville 4-0
7 Kansas St 4-0
8 TCU 3-0
9 Nevada 3-1
10 Oregon 4-0
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
September 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
3000 job lost at SRS as part of that bill? Cannot be all Wackenhut. When I was there in late 90s the total employment there was a little over 10,000. It has probably dwindled over the years but there has to be more to it than just the security contract.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:07 pm
Fred…do you feel stupid now?
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What for? You wrote some words. I can write some words. This isn’t Neal or Rush or Kyles joint. Cite your source silly. If it’s legitimate I’ll admit I’m WRONG but as to feeling stupid? Nope. I would be stupid to try to argue a point that was incorrect, but to be ignorant of a pertinent fact is not an indicator of stupidity.
So come on now sport, cite your source and we can continue.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
Yellow card.
alittlecommonsense
September 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
“the Bush administration created a reality in which Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction”
Well, I think the fact that we had provided WMD’s to Saddam, and he had a history of using them was pretty good evidence that he had them. The only unknown is what he did with them. But I guess if you are a liberal, you just take his word that he destroyed them. Because there was no evidence to back that up.
Liberal = takes Saddam’s word as gold / Accuses Bush of lying because he didn’t believe Saddam.
Why do liberals always take such a soft position on our country’s enemies and reserve their harshest rhetoric for their political adversaries?
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
Jay
September 26th, 2012
3:08 pm
Shamrock, your penchant for name-calling could develop into a problem.
Just ask Fred.
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It’s not the name calling so much Jay as it is your PERCEPTION of what name calling is.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
Shamrock. As one who has been tossed, don’t get to personal with these fellows. Disagree yes, don’t get ugly.
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:11 pm
Jay,
I was called a “whore” earlier today and no comment from Jay…are you being biased again?
Dumb question…of course you are.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 26th, 2012
3:11 pm
Fred
The kind of jobs that I do now are small remodels, so my Paslode Impulse gun is just the ticket. But it’s too expensive for day-to-day trim a whole house kinda thing. Plus, you can’t reflate a flat tire with an Impulse gun.
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
3:13 pm
getalife and fred,
jay commented on bush’s college record so i pointed out that obama has refused to release his college records and there IS a reason for not doing that……..make up anything beyond that you want to, doesn’t change that fact…..typical libs
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Fred…Jay wrote that yesterday in his blog in his magical moderator box…Jay is my source for a Jay quote from Jay on Jay’s blog.
I think I done cut and pasted that from Jay yesterday….
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Thanks for not going on and on, I’m a liberal, ’cause frankly everything you just said is a pure load of crap! But have a nice day!
Jay
September 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Bottom line, alittlecommonsense:
Who was right?
The Bush administration claimed absolute knowledge of WMD, right down to the places in which it was stored. When the UN sent inspectors into those sites pre-war and found nothing, and found nothing, and found nothing … we invaded anyway.
And still found nothing.
The WMD were a pretext.
Doggone/GA
September 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
“Liberal = takes Saddam’s word as gold”
Nope, it was the investigation team that was on the ground in Iraq that convinced THIS liberal
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
…so i pointed out that obama has refused to release his college records and there IS a reason for not doing that…
Yeah, it’s birtherism.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
Very good I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not .
“Disagree yes, don’t get ugly”
Impressive post.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
I’m a liberal: You haven’t even BEGUN to get tossed like I have lol. I think I may hold the record……….. I was tossed for 6 months or a year. I forget which……… i found out I could post again on accident.
Kam:I have the original impulses, framing and trim, the black ones. I don’t think I can even get cartridges or batteries for them any more. Maybe one day I can sell them to a museum lol.
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
alittlecommonsense,
two words…..power, control
if a conservative doesn’t like something, he doesn’t do it
if a liberal doesn’t like something, he makes sure no one does it
EASY
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
Just curious, if Obama does win, will the state of Georgia close the freeways so that all the angry driving that is sure to occur will not be a threat to the general public?
southpaw
September 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
Fred @3:00
They wish it were legit. Glad I could help, and please accept a tip of the hat from me (if I had one) for honesty. What you heard is just the tip of the iceberg of misinformation out there.
cc
September 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
Steve Shamrock@3:05 pm:
Give it a rest! I disagree with 90% of everything Bookman writes, but it is an OPINION column. You’re achieving nothing, other than making yourself look dense, by pursuing this.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Fred…Jay wrote that yesterday in his blog in his magical moderator box…Jay is my source for a Jay quote from Jay on Jay’s blog.
I think I done cut and pasted that from Jay yesterday….
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No you didn’t. See how I copy pasted your name, the date and the time stamp? See, if you do THAT I can go back and verify. If you don’t, then for all I know it’s just made up words.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
You were called an “attention whore,” Shamrock, which is quite a different thing.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
alittlecommonsense — “But I guess if you are a liberal, you just take his word that he destroyed them. Because there was no evidence to back that up.”
And here’s more rewriting of history. You’ve clearly forgotten that President Bush directed UN weapons inspectors — who were IN Iraq and doing their jobs — to get out ahead of our 2003 invasion. It wasn’t necessary to take *anyone’s* word at that point, because inspections were being performed.
“Liberal = takes Saddam’s word as gold / Accuses Bush of lying because he didn’t believe Saddam.”
alittlecommonsense = gets it all wrong because he can’t remember what was going on nine years ago.
“Why do liberals always take such a soft position on our country’s enemies and reserve their harshest rhetoric for their political adversaries?”
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
jay,
hillary and bill and almost al dems agreed that he had wmd….what about that?
getalife
September 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
I consider birthers to be, how should I put this without name calling, um, uh, stubborn to facts?
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
cc…
No.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:19 pm
getalife
September 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
Very good I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not .
Impressive post.
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He’s been quite impressive and easy to talk to today. Almost like Doomy but not as annoying lol.
Speaking of Doomy, has he been around lately? I’ve been absent at night when he’s usually on……..
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
3:19 pm
billybob — “if a conservative doesn’t like something, he doesn’t do it”
Exactly. Just like conservatives do with abortion and buying liquor on Sundays.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
September 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
“The WMD were a pretext”
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The British even admitted to fabricating some of the evidence Bush used as his justification. As far as I am concerned there was no pretext needed. I would have been OK if he would have just admitted he was going in to finish what his daddy had started after our country was attacked by a terrorist organization which had ties to the Iraqi leadership. As to how well that war was managed, well that is a totally different rant.
Grasshopper
September 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
Reality for many of us who deal with small business owners…or are them.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2012/09/26/survey-most-small-businesses-think.html?ana=e_du_pap&s=article_du&ed=2012-09-26
JamVet
September 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
It’s pretty simple.
Aye, in the land of simpletons, it always is!
Dig an millimeter below the bumper sticker surface and it gets a wee bit more complicated.
Canadian (Bryan Adams) penned, English sung…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_GcCoPIA0
the cat
September 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
Steve Shamrock-were you spurned as a child and just need some attention? I have never seen anyone quite like you that has been shot down and keeps coming back for more. Did that just describe your dating life as well? Geesh.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
I know you fellows love the “non proven…or Care, juicy Obama this and that stuff” but the latest is when Obama was ask about Bill Ayers in the debate in 2008 and said, ” just a guy in neighborhood”…. That the Postman for Ayers for years is coming out that Obama was at Ayers house all the time growing up as a young man getting ready to start a career and that Ayers introduced the young Obama as someone like a son who we are helping with college…………….I told the person telling me that , so. He could of come out at the DNC in Muslim wear, pulling a goat and opened with a prayer from the Koran…..and still get 45%
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
Understood Jay…I didn’t actually call Fred “stupid”…I asked if he felt stupid…very different connotations.
They BOTH suck
September 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
“And to stay on the plan, you vote. It’s pretty simple.”
And what is the reason that many folks are Democrat but do receive food stamps, welfare, section 8 housing?
You know the folks who vote Dem whose income levels range from the top to bottom. They own businesses, work at Fortune 500 companies (some are the CEOs), etc………
The excuses people like yourself are ignorant when looking at the overall voting demographics, but if it makes you feel good about yourself to tout talk radio talking points……… rock on
psst: not sure if you are aware but some of the same folks you ignorantly stereotype do not all vote or even vote Democrat………… yes, some vote Republican, but don’t let those facts get in the way of a good diatribe
carry on
JamVet
September 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
getalife, even the birthers pale in comparison to the deranged Bushbots who are STILL desperately trying to excuse the deadliest, most incompetent POTUS in a generation…
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
This is actually fun…50 libs and about 3 cons and we are dominating this blog. Good times.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
I can’t believe I didn’t get any comments on my Obama little faces. I thought they were almost as funny as JHM’s Romney little faces……..
http://tinyurl.com/9gjcwkp
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
3:23 pm
when it comes to someone deciding to murder a defenseless baby so that someone is ‘not punished by a mistake’(obama’s actual words by the way) then i stand up for that life…..why do you not stand up for human life and the murder of a baby…..ever heard of adoption
murder is the extreme position so congratulations on that joe
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 26th, 2012
3:23 pm
hillary and bill and almost al dems agreed that he had wmd….
The were wrong.
…what about that?
Ms. Clinton lost to Obama in the primary, possibly for that very reason.
the cat
September 26th, 2012
3:23 pm
The sad thing for republicans is Romney is the best they have. Santorum, Perry, Newt, Bachman, Paul. UGH.
They BOTH suck
September 26th, 2012
3:24 pm
“I consider birthers to be, how should I put this without name calling, um, uh, stubborn to facts?”
They are dumb a$$es. Most probably do not even believe it if the truth was known, but it makes them feel good about themselves and the idiotic narrative that they push forth.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
3:25 pm
Fred,
Kyle is going to a wedding in China so the cons will come over here.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2012
3:25 pm
I hear some variant of this rather frequently:
There are a lot of of dem voters who have been cultivated out of a life of cradle to grave dependency that any society will have, but it has grown here in great numbers…
It’s almost always expressed as if we’re JUST ABOUT to hit some tipping point, where the “takers” outnumber the “makers”, or producers, or “job creators,” whatever the right wing is calling them.
And I know I shouldn’t bother trying to ask such folks if they’ve ever stopped to think about this logically, and ask:
If it were THAT EASY to set up a populist political apparatus where you promised to give goodies to Subset X, taken from Subset Y, and gain a permanent, untouchable political majority—don’t you think some Whig or Federalist or suchlike would’ve done it and become the only political party in this country a very, very long time ago?
And if it’s actually harder than that to work out policy decisions—if, in fact, political operations can’t be anywhere near so brazen as they are accused of being—then isn’t it just possible that you’re not only oversimplifying this whole “makers v. takers” thing but flat-out delusional about it?
the cat
September 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
WSB radio just jumped the shark by putting on the high school drop out druggie Rush on weekdays. just saw the press release
SPC
September 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
Why is it you think Obama should be reelected?
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
Jay – “are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream.”
Whatever side loses the campaign (I believe Obama will win but please don’t place $ on my prediction skills) we will still have millions and millions of people that will share their view. I don’t expect either side losing and saying we lost so let’s support the other side. Not the politicians or the general public who voted for the loser.
I don’t see either side losing this election and making a massive course correction that many are expecting. If Obama wins the Rep’s will blame the biased media and if by some chance Romney wins the Dem’s will say SuperPacs stole the election from the “real’ people.
Peace and harmony will not be arriving in Washington in 2013.
JamVet
September 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
Bb, murder is a felony in this country.
You must be very confused…
Billybob
September 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
they were there and never found, just pointing out the dems changing of the goalposts based on the political winds…..that’s why hillary lost to obama is completely false and revisionist possibly…..thank you
getalife
September 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
Steve,
Do you think romney would help the middle class when the gop will not vote to help the middle class?
They BOTH suck
September 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
“Kyle is going to a wedding in China so the cons will come over here.”
Well, some can not, but that is another story
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
Tom, you ever watch the “man on the street” interviews from The left and right of WHY people are voting for Obama. This site may the Mecca for knowing why, but to the masses it’s pretty obvious WHY? Clueless comes to mind.
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
Slow day at work…don’t always get to have this much fun.
Gotta get back to it to tomorrow…a lot of liberals are counting on my hard work.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
Understood Jay…I didn’t actually call Fred “stupid”…I asked if he felt stupid…very different connotations.
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Actually I believe Jay was referring to a different post, this one:
Steve Shamrock
September 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Fred the Dope….
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What kind of hacks me off is that I don’t care, call me what you want…… as long as I can respond as I want lol. But then this isn’t my blog or website and I don’t make the rules. I have been called some names that I thought were extraordinarily clever and funny but the host on that particular blog didn’t. Oh well.
You seem to have a problem admitting fault……….
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
BTW – Republicans have been singing the “biased media” blues for years now. This is not a new tactic because of the polling.