On election night, a reality check looms for someone
The multiplicity of modern media has made it possible to create worlds within worlds, realities within realities. You can, for example, choose a reality in which Barack Obama is up by 3.5 percentage points, with an 80 percent chance of being re-elected, or you can choose to live in a competing reality in which “unskewed” polling reports the happy news that Mitt Romney is actually up almost eight points in national polls.
However, a time will always arrive when your created reality must be “trued up” against actual reality. You can delay that moment, you can dodge that moment, but eventually it must come. Media technology, with all of its magic, has not yet created a work-around to that harsh exercise.
In the runup to the Iraq War, for example, the Bush administration created a reality in which Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, American forces would be greeted as liberators, ethnic differences in Iraq were of little consequence and the invasion would more or less pay for itself. Actual reality proved to be quite a bit different, but it took several agonizing years for our leaders to admit just how delusional their created reality had been, and to realign their policies accordingly.
Election days also have a way of realigning created realities to actual reality. On the evening of Nov. 6, we will not only have an answer to whether the polls or the “unskewed polls” had proved more accurate, we will learn a lot more about the American people as well. Each political party entered this campaign season confident that it had the backing of the majority of Americans; each believed that its message was more true to American values and more responsive to America’s needs.
The election is going to tell us which reality was correct, and which is in need of alteration.
In my own personal created reality — and given human limitations and our imperfect understanding of the world, we all live in created realities of varying accuracies — Barack Obama should and probably will be re-elected. In my reality, those conservatives who have been pouring into movie theaters to see “2016: Obama’s America” may have to come to grips on Election Night with the fact that a majority of their fellow Americans simply do not see the world as they do, that in fact they, not the president and his supporters, are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream.
I understand that would not be easy to accept, and that most will employ any means available to avoid doing so. The process is already underway and is easily observable. For example, the claim that current polls are biased against conservatives is at root a defense mechanism that allows them to deny in public, and for a while, an outcome that many of them in private now fear to be looming.
And should that argument fail, fear not, because this is a defense in layers. Conservatives are already preparing a fallback defense blaming their loss on the media. Beyond that they have prepared a defense in which they blame it on Mitt Romney, and beyond that on the Republican establishment that forced the selection of Romney on a party base that knew better.
All of those layers of psychic defense are designed to defend the inner sanctum, the holy of holies. Whatever happens, blame must not be allowed to fall on the conservative message. Blame it on those selected to spread the message, blame it on those who distorted the message, blame it on those too stupid to appreciate the message, but whatever happens, do not blame it on the message.
Because if the message is wrong, it forces a readjustment to reality that is too painful to be considered.
Read, for example, Erick Erickson, the CNN analyst and Redstate.com founder:
“There are a lot of elitist Republicans who have spent several years telling us Mitt Romney was the only electable Republican. Because the opinion makers and news media these elitists hang out with have concluded Romney will not win, the elitists are in full on panic mode. They conspired to shut out others, tear down others, and prop up Romney with the electability argument. He is now not winning against the second coming of Jimmy Carter. They know there will be many conservatives, should Mitt Romney lose, who will not be satisfied until every bridge is burned with these jerks, hopefully with the elitist jerks tied to the bridge as it burns.”
Read his conservative colleague, Ben Domenech:
“There will be very negative consequences for a Romney loss for the power of center-right elites who are largely viewed as foisting him on the base despite the latter’s objections. A Romney loss almost certainly pushes the 2016 nominee rightward, and I doubt the megaphones will be powerful enough to frame the 2012 contest, as they did in 2008, as one where the conservative Veep choice dragged down the ticket.
“Like it or not, the money and opinion elites on the center-right own Romney’s failure from the perspective of the base — they need him to win. And the reality is that if Romney loses, it will have little if anything to do with Paul Ryan’s big ideas, tactical choices, or elite misgivings — and far more to do with the simple fact that Romney is still disliked by most voters.”
Both men insist — and on this they are correct — that the battle is not yet lost. There is still time — barely — to turn the race around, although at this point something major would have to happen to do so. I have yet to see such anguished handwringing from anyone on the left, which tells you something.
The thrust of the argument from Erickson, Domenech and many others is equally telling: Should we fail, our failure can be explained only by the fact that our movement has been insufficiently pure, that our message is insufficiently pure, and that we ourselves have been insufficiently pure. Move farther right, ever farther right, for there lies true salvation.
From my version of reality, that response dooms you to perpetual minority status. From theirs, it represents pursuit of the true faith. And one of those realities is very very wrong.
– Jay Bookman
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b-troll
September 26th, 2012
12:49 pm
“hence they are still in deep doo doo.”
Apparently $16 Trillion in debt does not qualify as being in deep doo doo.
I would disagree.
ken
September 26th, 2012
12:50 pm
Are WE better off now ??? NOT
getalife
September 26th, 2012
12:50 pm
I think we are the only country that believes the wealthy should not sacrifice one single thing after their collapse.
If the right wins, they get this.
If the left wins, they don’t.
The wealthy will sacrifice a little money they can afford to lose.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
Class of ‘98
September 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
What did I say that was racist, Fred? That I don’t believe in affirmative action, i.e. preferential treatment based on skin color? Wasn’t MLK also against that? What a RACIST that guy was!!
Was it that Asians succeed because of work ethic and ambition? Stop the presses on that one!!
In any event, thank you for proving for the hundred millionth time, that when a liberal can’t say any thing else, he accuses racism.
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You are the one who has brought up race you silly little man. You have done it in virtually every post. You can now deny it, but I linked you to a site you are very familiar and very comfortable with.
Oh, and typical of your breed, you lied. I NEVER said you were a racist. As a matter of fact, until this post, I have not even used the word.So I guess that make YOU a liberal whatever since when you had nothing else to say you called racist.
it’s tough when you can’t read OR think for yourself isn’t it?
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
Wasn’t MLK also against that?
since you asked:
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2003/01/06/did-martin-luthor-king-oppose-affirmative-action/
In fact, King’s writings – taken as a whole, rather than the out-of-context quotes right-wingers prefer – make him sound pretty much like any current defender of Affirmative Action. “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.”
JDW
September 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
@MiltonMan…”Comparable to how libs in this state have come to grips that the majority in this state do not agree with them & they are out of touch with the mainstream in this state???”
And we are doing so well for it aren’t we…
—Growth<National Average
—EducationNational Average
—Housing Prices<<<<<<<<<<National Average (try dead last)
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 26th, 2012
12:52 pm
“In any event, thank you for proving for the hundred millionth time, that when a liberal can’t say any thing else, he accuses racism.”
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I only use racist when a righty calls me a socialist.
They get their jockey pants all in a wad, but I’m supposed to like being called that.
Generally they can dish it out, but can’t take it.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
12:52 pm
BTW, I’m still awaiting your pinko TV-watching data, so pony it up.
Oh he’ll get right on that. Right after he shows where I called him a racist
weetamoe
September 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
We do not have to like the reality to admit it. The reality is that it’s not only Romney who had no chance to beat Obama. Obama and his Chicago machine are so ruthless and corrupt that no decent man or woman could possibly compete. For factual info, just look back at every single campaign in which he has run–even in primaries against fellow democrats. Got my comments in late on your media bias chin wag this morning. Do you know what Evan Thomas had to say on the subject some election cycles back? You do know who Evan Thomas is, don’t you? Kinda legitimizes the claims.
JDW
September 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
Hummm half that post vanished…much like sanity in Ga’s Govtn
—Growth<National Average
—EducationNational Average
—Housing Prices<<<<<<<<<<National Average (try dead last)
Brosephus™
September 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
Fred @ 21:51
The voices in his head said you called him racist.
LBB
September 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
Jay: By spending cuts and tax increases.
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Nice dodge. We already know about your reality, at least if it’s like your Idiot Messiah’s, where his $1.5 trillion deficit is closed by raising taxes on 1% of the population.
Too bad math gets in the way.
JDW
September 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
damn did it again…Jay there is a bug
—Growth<National Average
—Education less than National Average
—Unemployment more than National Average
—Housing Prices<<<<<<<<<<National Average (try dead last)
Isaac Hayes Backup Singers
September 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
Brosephus™
12:10 pm
… I am the man that makes John Shaft look like a cream puff.
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Shut yo’ mouth!
godless heathen
September 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2012
12:27 pm
Well put.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
Carol — ” The only difference between the Taliban and the Republicans is they don’t go out and kill people for not believing the way they do.”
I don’t know about that. We’ve seen quite a few of our conservative regulars here in the last few days aggressively advocating the enthusiastic knocking of heads overseas.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2012
12:55 pm
Stands, a quote edited an out of context….. so it isn’t so. Why I dont think we have seen that before.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
“at least if it’s like your Idiot Messiah’s, where his $1.5 trillion deficit is closed by raising taxes on 1% of the population.”
Where did you get this idea that asking the wealthy to sacrifice one single thing will fix it?
larry
September 26th, 2012
12:57 pm
When Joe Scarbourgh does a double face palm after seeing coverage of a campaign rally, you can pretty much start looking for 2016.
The Senate will stay as it is and there is a 50/50 that the house will flip.
This is hilarous.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/joe-scarborough-romney-ryan-sweet-jesus_n_1915975.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
Brosephus™
September 26th, 2012
12:58 pm
Shut yo’ mouth!
Well, I’m talking about Brosephus, then we can dig it.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
12:59 pm
Brosephus — “Well, I’m talking about Brosephus, then we can dig it.”
Yes! I, too, can dig it! Enthusiastically so!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
On topic: Here is someone voicing the same concerns but sees the possibility that the right will go completely bonkers (not just bonkers, bat $%^& bonkers) if Obama wins.
I think we will see a surge in right wing violence. The hatred of a black President and one’s party being out of power is just too deep.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/how-rights-latest-conspiracy-theory-might-unleash-wave-domestic-terrorism-if-obama
Brosephus™
September 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
JHM
N-GA
September 26th, 2012
1:02 pm
Jay – One could simplify the entire argument about why conservatives still assert that Mitt is leading the race….FALSE BRAVADO.
End of story.
Mighty Righty
September 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
Interestng rationalization. The polls show the race as even, excepting those polls which count 9% more Democrats than there really are and even some of those show the election as even. Now if Obama who has pretended to be president for 4 years is no better than even, then one has to be psychotic to think Romney has to do something between now and the election that Obama doesn’t nedd to.. Actions are louder and clearer than words. Obama will have this race won when he quits campaigning and actually becomes president. There have been presidents who ran for re-election without campaigning because their record of accomplishment didn’t require a new round of lies to cover up their incompetence. Not so with Obama. He is running scared. BTW I understand Obama has a Real Estate agent looking for property in Hawaii and wants it to be available no later than January 2013.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
Well put.
What can I say. I’m a cockeyed optimist at heart.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
1:06 pm
Gallup suddenly has Obama up by 6.
mm
September 26th, 2012
1:07 pm
The cons keep kidding themselves (and their voters) about how close the national polls are.
Newflash: Look at the state polls. Romney is getting destroyed in the electoral vote.
HDB
September 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
Class of ‘98
September 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
Should we fail, it’s only because the vast majority of Romney voters are insufficiently educated,couldn’t pick Paul Ryan out of a lineup, and can’t face the fact that the demograhics are changing in this nation….with the inability to deal with it, communicate with those who fit in that dynamic…..and also create and support a message that could attract many in that changing dynamic!!
There…fixed it for you!!
Sagegirl
September 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
Romney To Middle Class Ohioans:
In a line that event attendees found a bit puzzling, Mitt Romney warned a crowd of mostly middle-class onlookers on Wednesday not to expect too much tax relief under his administration.
Romney is not doing himself any favors. Is it another gaffe or does he actually mean it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/romney-ohio-taxes_n_1915949.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
Righty — “The polls show the race as even, excepting those polls which count 9% more Democrats than there really are and even some of those show the election as even.”
No, they don’t.
And that ‘oversampling Democrats’ argument is just further evidence that Republicans are actually Republican’ts when it comes to mathematics.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
Mighty Right: “Well this piece is certainly not about me! Here’s the reality.”
Hows that Ryan campaign for the House coming after his ad buy?
mm
September 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
“The polls show the race as even, excepting those polls which count 9% more Democrats than there really are and even some of those show the election as even.”
See how the simpletons repeat what they are told.
Thomas heyward Jr
September 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
The War Criminal…(as per me AND Ralph Nader) may indeed win reelection ……..but it will NOT be by a majority of Americans.
Only roughly 16% of the population of single moms, blacks, lawyers, government parasites and frightened girly-men will put him in.
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Bookman should stop the propaganda.
DannyX
September 26th, 2012
1:09 pm
Today’s Gallup has Obama +6. Obama 50%, Romney 44%.
Anyone have the “unskewed” interpretation? My guess would be Romney +5.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
I think the right will continue to lose as long as the middle class is in trouble and the gop votes against them.
No Americans believe romney wants to help them because of this fact.
They voted gop for jobs in 10 and that was a total failure because the gop voted against jobs to get our President for this election.
Pointsofvision
September 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
“They know there will be many conservatives, should Mitt Romney lose, who will not be satisfied until every bridge is burned with these jerks, hopefully with the elitist jerks tied to the bridge as it burns.”
Wow, this conservative violence on conservatives must stop. If this is how you treat your fellow believers, how would you treat non-believers? It is only politics, not your children’s lives.
Micheal Ray Richardson
September 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
The ship be sinkin’.
Mighty Righty
September 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Here is some of the “false bravado” for ya.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows both President Obama and Mitt Romney attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.
When “leaners” are included, it’s Romney 48% and Obama 46%. Leaners are those who are initially uncommitted to the two leading candidates but lean towards one of them when asked a follow-up question.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
Just as interesting, Gallup has Obama at the crucial 50 percent point, 50-44 …
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
DannyX — “Anyone have the “unskewed” interpretation? My guess would be Romney +5.”
The HURRRRRR claim is Romney by 7.8.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
Well, I gotta have a chocolate Brocephus… I don’t know. It’s missing something.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:12 pm
Thomas,
Your hate of the American people is showing.
It is ugly and doubt Ron Paul hates the American people like that.
Greg
September 26th, 2012
1:13 pm
Does either party have clear majority in terms of support? I don’t see the stalemate ending no matter who wins on election night.
Mr. Holmes
September 26th, 2012
1:14 pm
Anyone have the “unskewed” interpretation?
I’m gonna go with Bears 324, Obama -7. —Bill “Unskewed” Swerski
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:14 pm
Righty — “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows both President Obama and Mitt Romney attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide.”
Yes, but Rasmussen is full of spit.
Silver concluded that Rasmussen’s polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver’s model. He singled out as an example the Hawaii Senate race, in which Rasmussen, in a poll completed three weeks before the election, showed incumbent Daniel Inouye only 13 points ahead, whereas in actuality he won by a 53% margin – a difference of 40 points from Rasmussen’s poll, or “the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998″.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports#Criticism
Forty points off. Yeah, there’s some accuracy for ya.
Jay
September 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
Mighty, I’m betting we see a rather sudden swing to Obama in the Rasmussen numbers, especially given Gallup’s latest. Rasmussen likes being the conservative poll of choice, but he doesn’t like being way out on the end of the branch, which is where he finds himself today.
Watch and see.
Misty Fyed
September 26th, 2012
1:17 pm
We’ll just have to wait to see. I’m conservative but realize many people do see the world differently. I just can’t fathom why they want so badly to mimic the European model. Why they would rather live a life of mediocrity. Imagine a life with nothing but lukewarm showers. You never get cold, but you never get truly warm either. Why they vilify peaceful believers in individual responsibility and achievement but seek to embrace those that would slay them.
Pointsofvision
September 26th, 2012
1:17 pm
In all the polls, they ask the questions first and then ask which party the person on the other end is affiliated with. They don’t go out looking for Democrats or Republicans then call them. If there are more Democrats and Independents in the sampling, it is because more people now identify with the Democatic party and many people who used to call themselves Republicans are now wearing the Independent badge.
The Republican water is so poluted that even Libertarians are pushing them back. Unless the Southern influence is jettisioned, the Republican party will go the way of the Whig party. We are all pulling for you all to get some senses and be American again. We need thoughtful debates and the type of fresh ideas that used to come out of the Republican party.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
Greg,
One side will blink after the election.
They have to listen to the American people.
straitroad
September 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
Jay,
Which national poll was more accurate in 2008, Gallup or Rasmussen?
Jay
September 26th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Anyone have the “unskewed” interpretation?
Pats by three?
Fly-On-The-Wall
September 26th, 2012
1:20 pm
Regardless of how the election turns out the Right will continue to have their very own echo chamber and belief systems. Damn the facts full speed ahead!
Misty Fyed
September 26th, 2012
1:20 pm
How frightened do you thing Iran is when Obama says the US will do what it must to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. They just watched someone torture and assassinate our ambassador and our response was that we are sorry for some video. The president then tries to cover up for the perpetrators by excusing their motives.
massachusetts refugee
September 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
Each political party entered this campaign season confident that it had the backing of the majority of Americans…
may have to come to grips on Election Night with the fact that a majority of their fellow Americans…
…are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream…
Jay, the word “voting” needs to preceed each reference to “…Americans”
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
The polls will bounce around until right before the election and correct for credibility.
I watched ras go from mccain up by ten, then correct and scrub for credibility.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:23 pm
misty,
You bought drudgey lies and none of that is true. Wait for the FBI report.
Fly-On-The-Wall
September 26th, 2012
1:24 pm
Misty Fyed,
Unfortunately what you stated is one of the reasons people cannot identify with the Right. I’m a Progressive and have been for years but I don’t want the European model, I want the American model. It’s just that my view of the American model is different from yours. That doesn’t make it wrong or socialist or Marxist or anything else in that vein, it only makes it different.
When you loose the fear of ‘other’ things then I think you’ll see we’re all on the same side – we only have different view points.
massachusetts refugee
September 26th, 2012
1:24 pm
straitroad @ 1:18 — from the november 8, 2008 huffungton post
First, on the analyst tip, Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com was the big winner. His final projection for Barack Obama’s electoral haul, at 349, stood accurate as of Wednesday morning (though North Carolina could yet add to Obama’s total). On the popular vote split, Silver was also right on with his prediction of a 52.3-46.3 advantage for Obama.
As for polling firms, the respected Pew firm was right there with Silver, showing a 52-46 national vote breakdown in its final survey. (Though it’s important to note that pollsters, unlike analysts, see their principal role as trying to reflect the electorate ahead of election day, as opposed to making predictions.) Rasmussen can also take a bow for getting the national numbers right.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
September 26th, 2012
1:24 pm
Fred – “Zoomy”, you got me on that one. It must be negative comment if you said it about me ? Reading some of your posts, have your ever met anyone you liked or agreed with? Oh, I forgot about that guy you speak to in the mirror all the time.
Micheal Ray Richardson
September 26th, 2012
1:26 pm
Current odds from my offshore bookie: Obama -380, Romney +330. It takes $380 on Obama to win $100, $100 on Romney wins $330. Bookies give Carolina a better chance (+275) to beat the Falcons straight-up in the Dome Sunday.
Erwin's cat
September 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
Pats by 3
Mr. Holmes
September 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
They just watched someone torture and assassinate our ambassador and our response was that we are sorry for some video. The president then tries to cover up for the perpetrators by excusing their motives.
Legitimate question: What should the response have been? Send in the Marines? Immediately sever all ties with Egypt’s new government? Send the Enola Gay over to drop the big one?
I take strong issue with your claim that Obama “covered up for the perpetrators,” but for now let’s concentrate on this foreign policy of “strength” that appears to enjoy yours & Romney’s support. What does it look like, exactly?
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
There was a shift on unions from the right recently.
Did you catch it?
It was about a catch.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2012
1:28 pm
Fly, you are correct, they will continue to have their own echo chamber and belief system…. which will continue to sink if they follow the “we need to go more right”. Where do those “moderates” and “elite” go?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:28 pm
M. R. Richardson — ” It takes $380 on Obama to win $100, $100 on Romney wins $330.”
With that sort of return, it almost seems like Georgia Lottery scratch-off tickets would be a better bet.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
b-troll
September 26th, 2012
12:49 pm
“hence they are still in deep doo doo.”
Apparently $16 Trillion in debt does not qualify as being in deep doo doo.
I would disagree.
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No surprise.
Would never expect you to think beyond your own talking point.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
KUTGF — “Where do those “moderates” and “elite” go?”
In my case, to the Democratic Party, where I suspect we’ve pulled the party a bit more to the center.
That might explain how the Democrats are gaining traction with questions like who’s more in tune with average Americans, who’s more trusted to fix the economy, who’s more trusted on defense, etc.
I don’t posit that the Democratic Party has all the answers, but I think that most Americans feel that the Democrats have *more* of the answers than the Republicans do. That’s why you’re seeing the polls move like they are.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
I wonder how much of that Romney bet Sheldon Adelson is backing.
godless heathen
September 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
Well if this gets around, President Obama will be lucky to get 10% of the vote;
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/09/25/madonna-calls-president-obama-black-muslim-says-shell-strip-onstage-if-wins/?intcmp=obnetwork
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
September 26th, 2012
1:24 pm
Fred – “Zoomy”, you got me on that one. It must be negative comment if you said it about me ? Reading some of your posts, have your ever met anyone you liked or agreed with? Oh, I forgot about that guy you speak to in the mirror all the time.
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I get on rather well with many of the folks here. You don’t like me because I point out the talk radio lies you keep posting.
I just wanted you to see the post o the other blog and you did. It was nothing important.
Want a beer?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:34 pm
TaxPayer — “I wonder how much of that Romney bet Sheldon Adelson is backing.”
You’d think a casino magnate would be smart enough not to gamble himself.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
September 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
Sometimes I wonder why I chose to get on Jay’s blog, I guess I have always enjoyed a good challenge or game. You guys are interesting though, even if some are not playing with a full deck!
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
I think Stuart Varney said it best on Hannity last night. “I absolutely cannot believe polls that show Obama leading Romney”. It must be diffilcult having to live in a world wrought with so many scary facts.
mm
September 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
Granny,
“Would never expect you to think beyond your own talking point.”
Do they ever? It might be possible to have an intelligent conversation with a con if they weren’t spoon fed their “thoughts” on a daily basis. It’s comical to read this blog daily and see their new daily talking point repeated ad nauseum.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
September 26th, 2012
1:36 pm
I can see where the GOP is unhappy with either of their candidates from 2008 and this year as neither is/was as “ideologically pure” as the GOP would like. Quite frankly I would like for them to nominate one those extreme radical nut jobs in 2016 just to get it out of their system. And for the entertainment value as well. Palin/Cain in 2016.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2012
1:36 pm
JHM, and I for one welcome a diversity in the Democratic Party and not walking lockstep. There are times I can agree with Bernie, there are times I agree with the President and there are times I just have to sit back and understand that politics may require certain acts by party members that I find very unsatisfying and even sickening.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
1:37 pm
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
Fred , you may not look like and idiot but you definitly are a bloviating first class ass clown.
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Wow. I’m impressed. You learned some new big boy words. It took you and hour and a half but what the hell, you learned. Glad I could be your motivation.
But really, it’s one thing to miss “first” by a minute or two but 4 minutes? REALLY?
Just Saying..
September 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
Good column, Jay. On the “Let’s not get ahead of ourselves” point, I do recall how much Humphrey closed on Nixon in the last few weeks in ‘68.
On the “We need to go further right” point, my mind tells me, “No, nobody could be that …confused”
Then I try to imagine Sean Hannity looking into a camera and saying, “It could be I don’t know everything”.
And then I think, maybe they COULD be that….
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
Don’t believe the polls. They are tilted Dem by 5-12% Dem sampling , self reported by the way. Why is Obama in Ohio today with a so called 9.5% lead. Some reputable polls have it in a dead heat as of today. No debates yet. How many times can he say Osama dead and GM alive during a debate? All he’s got is it was worse than we thought and I need 4 more years…………Yea, 4 more…..some people still have a job.
Erwin's cat
September 26th, 2012
1:39 pm
oops … Jay beat me to it
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:39 pm
B. Cassidy — “I think Stuart Varney said it best on Hannity last night.”
I remember when that froot loop used to host business news on CNN.
This is Stuart Varney with “Your Money”
Well, who’s Stuart Varney and what’s he doing with my money???
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
1:40 pm
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
September 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
Sometimes I wonder why I chose to get on Jay’s blog, I guess I have always enjoyed a good challenge or game. You guys are interesting though, even if some are not playing with a full deck!
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Because deep down inside you are tired of the talk radio lies and want some truth. We are proud of you for that.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:41 pm
I asked for original thinking and godless gave me a naked Madonna.
We know where his mind is at.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 26th, 2012
1:41 pm
Ima Librul — “Don’t believe the polls. They are tilted Dem by 5-12% Dem sampling”
Go ahead and give us the mathematical explanation of why that’s a problem. I’ve been asking for a cogent mathematical explanation of that for WEEKS and not a single one of y’all has enough of a grasp of statistics to be able to even start on that.
By all means, give us your analysis. I’m all ears.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Fred…… That’s pretty funny…..The truth here???????
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September 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Don’t believe the polls. They are tilted Dem by 5-12% Dem sampling , self reported by the way.”
The polls are skewed. That’s the con talking point for today.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
there are times I just have to sit back and understand that politics may require certain acts by party members that I find very unsatisfying and even sickening.
You MUST be talking about the elections of Pelosi and Reid as heads of their respective Governing bodies lol. I could ALMOST like democrats except for that fact.
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Actually, Ohio begins voting on October 2.
I think the debates are too late to change any minds.
Fedup
September 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Class of ‘98
Class of 98 “Awesome, when I am a minority, maybe my kids can get accepted to an Ivy League school despite average high school grades and low SAT/ACT scores”. Did’t you know that minority Asian students with higher scores, are turned away from Ivy league schools so lower scoring rich white kids can get in?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
September 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
Fred – You are right, sometimes I listen to Boortz(talk radio) and watch Fox, they do not tell anymore lies than say CNN or MSNBC? You listen to both and then form your own opinions. Thanks for the beer comment, but do not smoke or use alcohol, kinda of a health nut. That’s why my wife calls me Spartacus but I think you made lite of that previously.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
You are kidding Joe, right?
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
Clearly, Republican reality would prevail if only those pollsters would quit randomly sampling so many people that favor Obama.
JamVet
September 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
For some reason, Asians apparently haven’t had as difficult a struggle to succeed in this country as other minorities.
And the vote overwhelmingly AGAINST Republicans.
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Fred…… That’s pretty funny…..The truth here???????
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Oh yeah that’s right, you think Rush is God so you wouldn’t know truth if it kicked you in the ass……..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
Spartacus? Did she also ask about your Lumberjack song?
Fred ™
September 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
Funny how Class of 98 moved the hell out after he was shot down in flames on accusing me of calling him a racist………
getalife
September 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
The truth is here but you choose to ignore it.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
1:46 pm
getalife. I believe 90% of minds are already made up. It’s a small slice we’re looking at.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 26th, 2012
1:46 pm
who is Rush?