On election night, a reality check looms for someone

The multiplicity of modern media has made it possible to create worlds within worlds, realities within realities. You can, for example, choose a reality in which Barack Obama is up by 3.5 percentage points, with an 80 percent chance of being re-elected, or you can choose to live in a competing reality in which “unskewed” polling reports the happy news that Mitt Romney is actually up almost eight points in national polls.

images-17However, a time will always arrive when your created reality must be “trued up” against actual reality. You can delay that moment, you can dodge that moment, but eventually it must come. Media technology, with all of its magic, has not yet created a work-around to that harsh exercise.

In the runup to the Iraq War, for example, the Bush administration created a reality in which Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, American forces would be greeted as liberators, ethnic differences in Iraq were of little consequence and the invasion would more or less pay for itself. Actual reality proved to be quite a bit different, but it took several agonizing years for our leaders to admit just how delusional their created reality had been, and to realign their policies accordingly.

Election days also have a way of realigning created realities to actual reality. On the evening of Nov. 6, we will not only have an answer to whether the polls or the “unskewed polls” had proved more accurate, we will learn a lot more about the American people as well. Each political party entered this campaign season confident that it had the backing of the majority of Americans; each believed that its message was more true to American values and more responsive to America’s needs.

The election is going to tell us which reality was correct, and which is in need of alteration.

images-11In my own personal created reality — and given human limitations and our imperfect understanding of the world, we all live in created realities of varying accuracies — Barack Obama should and probably will be re-elected.  In my reality, those conservatives who have been pouring into movie theaters to see “2016: Obama’s America” may have to come to grips on Election Night with the fact that a majority of their fellow Americans simply do not see the world as they do, that in fact they, not the president and his supporters, are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream.

I understand that would not be easy to accept, and that most will employ any means available to avoid doing so. The process is already underway and is easily observable. For example, the claim that current polls are biased against conservatives is at root a defense mechanism that allows them to deny in public, and for a while, an outcome that many of them in private now fear to be looming.

And should that argument fail, fear not, because this is a defense in layers. Conservatives are already preparing a fallback defense blaming their loss on the media. Beyond that they have prepared a defense in which they blame it on Mitt Romney, and beyond that on the Republican establishment that forced the selection of Romney on a party base that knew better.

All of those layers of psychic defense are designed to defend the inner sanctum, the holy of holies. Whatever happens, blame must not be allowed to fall on the conservative message. Blame it on those selected to spread the message, blame it on those who distorted the message, blame it on those too stupid to appreciate the message, but whatever happens, do not blame it on the message.

Because if the message is wrong, it forces a readjustment to reality that is too painful to be considered.

Read, for example, Erick Erickson, the CNN analyst and Redstate.com founder:

“There are a lot of elitist Republicans who have spent several years telling us Mitt Romney was the only electable Republican. Because the opinion makers and news media these elitists hang out with have concluded Romney will not win, the elitists are in full on panic mode. They conspired to shut out others, tear down others, and prop up Romney with the electability argument. He is now not winning against the second coming of Jimmy Carter. They know there will be many conservatives, should Mitt Romney lose, who will not be satisfied until every bridge is burned with these jerks, hopefully with the elitist jerks tied to the bridge as it burns.”

Read his conservative colleague, Ben Domenech:

“There will be very negative consequences for a Romney loss for the power of center-right elites who are largely viewed as foisting him on the base despite the latter’s objections. A Romney loss almost certainly pushes the 2016 nominee rightward, and I doubt the megaphones will be powerful enough to frame the 2012 contest, as they did in 2008, as one where the conservative Veep choice dragged down the ticket.

“Like it or not, the money and opinion elites on the center-right own Romney’s failure from the perspective of the base — they need him to win. And the reality is that if Romney loses, it will have little if anything to do with Paul Ryan’s big ideas, tactical choices, or elite misgivings — and far more to do with the simple fact that Romney is still disliked by most voters.”

Both men insist — and on this they are correct — that the battle is not yet lost. There is still time — barely — to turn the race around, although at this point something major would have to happen to do so. I have yet to see such anguished handwringing from anyone on the left, which tells you something.

The thrust of the argument from Erickson, Domenech and many others is equally telling: Should we fail, our failure can be explained only by the fact that our movement has been insufficiently pure, that our message is insufficiently pure, and that we ourselves have been insufficiently pure.  Move farther right, ever farther right, for there lies true salvation.

From my version of reality, that response dooms you to perpetual minority status. From theirs, it represents pursuit of the true faith. And one of those realities is very very wrong.

– Jay Bookman

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Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:04 pm

stands for decibels

September 26th, 2012
12:05 pm

a competing reality in which “unskewed” polling reports

an html headache alert is in order, here.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

C’mon, Jay. Let them move as far right as they want.

Children and Republicans have to be allowed to learn some things for themselves. Even if the lessons they learn are very, very hard ones.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

September 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

Oscar

September 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

Fred ™

_______

So what do you say, youngster.

getalife

September 26th, 2012
12:07 pm

But drudgey has them even.

Lets face it.

Four more years!

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

September 26th, 2012
12:07 pm

GOP : the party of denial.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:07 pm

BTW, that Unskewed Polls thing Jay linked to is the nutcase fantasy conservapolling thing my wife found over the weekend. I still haven’t had a chance to crunch their numbers and look at them in detail, but they’re definitely suffering from some sort of shared group delusion from what I can see.

stands for decibels

September 26th, 2012
12:09 pm

From my version of reality, that response dooms you to perpetual minority status.

yebbut they’ll still have a clear majority of America’s… dirt?

Welcome to the Occupation

September 26th, 2012
12:09 pm

However, a time will always arrive when your created reality must be “trued up” against actual reality

It’s the point where reality gives way to the Real.

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:09 pm

Oscar

September 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

Fred ™

_______

So what do you say, youngster.
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I say ANYTHING but first lol. But it had to be short or I would be second or third. At least I don’t look like an idiot like All Bush’s fault if I’m NOT the first one that way :evil:

Mr. Holmes

September 26th, 2012
12:10 pm

I wonder how much correlation there is between this predominantly Right phenomenon and the tendency to have a strongly religious worldview. Substitute ideological purity with moral purity, and you’ve got an allegory to entering the kingdom of heaven, except in this case the kingdom of heaven is control of all three branches of government.

Just spitballin’.

TaxPayer

September 26th, 2012
12:10 pm

I say let them forevermore pursue their purification of that which they deem not quite pure enough. Good riddance.

Brosephus™

September 26th, 2012
12:10 pm

The only reality that matters is mine, and in my reality, I am the dark chocolate that no woman can turn down… I am the man that makes John Shaft look like a cream puff. My election night reality will probably show that we’ll have at least 2 more years of jackassery before the next election.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:11 pm

Said before and I’ll said it again:

Clint Eastwood talking to an invisible President Obama was not an aberration, but a culmination. Republicans have created a socialist/marxist/kenyan/anti-colonial/thug President Obama that only they can see.

The rest of us see the President for what he is: flawed in execution, but at least giving voice to the things we want for our country and the better choice between the candidates running for President.

Cutty

September 26th, 2012
12:12 pm

It’s not the messenger, but the message that most of America dislikes. Look at their convention; lily white and old. They hate latinos, gays, blacks, and everyone who doesn’t look or act like they do. THEY turned a surplus into a debt, and believe we’re dumb enough to put them back into the game to run the same tired plays. Thanks, but no thanks.

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:13 pm

Another Bookman column about polls. Jay, this blog is getting stale due to your obsession with polls.

Oscar

September 26th, 2012
12:13 pm

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:09 pm

______

A couple of weeks ago I was first and didn’t say so because I thought it was a stupid practice. But then I didn’t look right.
Last week I was first and announced it. Felt better. It’s silly.
But it’s tradition.
And it does not feel right to mess with tradition.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:13 pm

B. Sephus — ” in my reality, I am the dark chocolate that no woman can turn down…”

Yo, I hear you’re only SEMI-sweet and in fact, kinda bitter. :D

DannyX

September 26th, 2012
12:14 pm

That unskewed polling website is a hoot! Wonder what the unskewd electoral map would look like? Sure would look different than the updated Real Clear Politics map.

http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:14 pm

However, a time will always arrive when your created reality must be “trued up” against actual reality

That reality doesn’t have to happen, no. Some people will still sit there and spout nonsense no matter how far from reality they go. There’s a whole cottage industry of wingnut “rage” that’s been built to sustain these people. Glenn Beck is ready to sell you overpriced gold for when your fears will be realized….

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

Again, please correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t most “credible” polls show that Scott Walker and Tom Barrett were in a dead-heat going into recall election night?

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

Is Tom the zoomy vet here yet, or is he still a blog or two behind?

Paul

September 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

What’s that story about the king who gets mad at the message so he kills the messenger?

The message is at the core. Question the message, the farfarRight’s cut adrift. It’s one thing to convert from one faith to another. It’s quite another to recognize your faith is…. misplaced and to have nowhere to turn.

“A Romney loss almost certainly pushes the 2016 nominee rightward, ”

So it IS going to be Hillary as president in 2016, eh? Personally, I’m really looking forward to her running against Newt Gingrich or Herman Cain. I can save a whole lot of money by dropping cable so I don’t have to pay for Comedy Central!

getalife

September 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

Lets recap this cycle.

The gop primary looked at all the con candidates and settled with the money candidate

The money candidate can use all the unlimited donations from citizen united but still lose.

So now,. we get to the blame game on why they will lose.

I think it is very simple.

Americans know the wealthy do not need anymore welfare but the middle class could use some help.

It is so obvious, even our cons know this fact.

Getting them to admit any obvios fact is a different story.

gadem

September 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

hehehehe…Jay said Bush. That is the other four letter word!

Jay

September 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

This post is about polling like the Civil War was about tariffs.

AU Liberal in ATL

September 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

Romney keeps saying his policies are better, but he won’t say what his policies are. He’ll carry Georgia, but he’ll do it without my vote. I’m no fool.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

please correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t most “credible” polls show that Scott Walker and Tom Barrett were in a dead-heat going into recall election night?

No, you are wrong. The polls were showing Walker by 4.

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

Oscar: If you will note I have been first on ALL the Bookman blogs that he posted today. Will that tradition continue for the rest of the day? :mrgreen:

In the Middle

September 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

My reality before November 5th will be the same as my reality on November 7th…can I make my house payment, can I pay my sons’ tuition, can we survive another year with this old car. These are the things that are important to me! By the way, Brosephus, I think I gonna have the vapors! #iswoon

Goldie

September 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

Mitt Romney is not the problem — it’s the freakin’ GOP itself and its outdated message for America in the 21 century… and we won’t go back to that outdated vision!

:)

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

Jay

September 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

This post is about polling like the Civil War was about tariffs.
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WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

This post is about polling like the Civil War was about tariffs.

In Rightwingnutstania, the polls only matter if your guy is leading. Otherwise the polls are cooked or we shouldn’t be talking about the polls anyway….

Paul

September 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

Mr. Holmes

” I wonder how much correlation there is between this predominantly Right phenomenon and the tendency to have a strongly religious worldview. ”

I wouldn’t think too much, else we’d be talking about the religious zealotry of Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders.

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:19 pm

Should we fail, it’s only because the vast majority of Obama voters are insufficiently educated, and couldn’t pick Joe Biden out of a lineup. Hey, Dancing With the Stars is on!!

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:19 pm

And Walker won by 8.

Mr. Holmes

September 26th, 2012
12:19 pm

I think it was Laura Ingraham who recently posted an item in which she said (I’m paraphrasing), “True conservatism never loses. Sixty percent of Americans self-describe as conservative, and when they have a truly conservative option at the polls, they will pick it every time.”

Self-delusion, exhibit A.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:20 pm

DannyX — “That unskewed polling website is a hoot! Wonder what the unskewd electoral map would look like?”

Well, the lumpy pasty d-bag running the site (with his shirt buttoned all the way up to the top) says 301-221 Romney. Not surprisingly, he claims that all of the tossup states will go Romney’s way. Oh, and Wisconsin, too. :roll:

http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-vs-barack-obama-a-look-at-five-electoral-vote-projections

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:21 pm

Class of ‘98

September 26th, 2012
12:19 pm

Should we fail, it’s only because the vast majority of Obama voters are insufficiently educated, and couldn’t pick Joe Biden out of a lineup. Hey, Dancing With the Stars is on!!
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And this is how the mindnumbingly insipid, brain washed talk radio listeners try to make themselves feel better and “superior.” The message their puppet masters put out is so dumb it’s a wonder anyone will believe it, but here again we have proof.

THIS is was passes for an “intelligent” comment to the Rushbots and the Nealsheep.

DannyX

September 26th, 2012
12:21 pm

“Again, please correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t most “credible” polls show that Scott Walker and Tom Barrett were in a dead-heat going into recall election night?”

Consider yourself corrected. In fact Real Clear Politics poll average almost nailed it.

Final Results Walker +6.8

RCP Poll Average Walker +6.7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/governor/wi/wisconsin_governor_recall_election_walker_vs_barrett-3056.html

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:23 pm

“that response dooms you to perpetual minority status”

Awesome, when I am a minority, maybe my kids can get accepted to an Ivy League school despite average high school grades and low SAT/ACT scores.

And despite that, I’ll be able to tell them they have to work twice as hard as the majority to get ahead.

Jay

September 26th, 2012
12:23 pm

Class, I hate to break it to you, but that’s another line of defense invented by the right to fend off polling results they don’t like to hear.

The reality is, polling data on that race had Walker with a substantial lead for weeks leading up to the election. For documentation, here’s a piece updating polling numbers a week before the election:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/30/wisconsin-polls-scott-walker-recall-tom-barrett_n_1556653.html

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:24 pm

Thank you Danny. I was going off memory, which is faulty.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:26 pm

I expect Class will now deflect to something else from his world.

It’s really cool to have a live example of Jay’s column right here in the comments.

stands for decibels

September 26th, 2012
12:27 pm

Look at their convention; lily white and old. They hate latinos, gays, blacks, and everyone who doesn’t look or act like they do.

hmm. you’re talking about actual RNC delegates, or people who support their candidate? in either case, I’m inclined to think language like that is not real helpful, frankly. (and I’m the guy who is on record longing to decapitate neoconservative politicians and put their heads atop pikes, so work with me here.)

I don’t think most true-believing conservatives hate those groups. I think most are sincere in wanting equal opportunities without regard to race, creed and maybe even (they’re being dragged kicking and screaming of course, but they’re coming around slowly) sexual orientation; they’d certainly like more of these folks in these groups to be voting for GOP candidates.

I think they are constantly being baited into positions that play upon their somewhat understandable fears of Other Folks becoming sufficiently empowered to wreak some kind of vengeance for past misdeeds, though. Those who do the baiting–the Master Baiters, if you will–are very good at what they do, carefully calibrating their messages in a socially acceptable way.

and I could come up with great examples, but you know, I’m not paid to do this, so you’ll have to use your imagination.

Anyway, I really don’t think most of my citizenry is hateful. They may be shockingly apathetic at times, but not hateful.

larry

September 26th, 2012
12:27 pm

Not only is the message is problem , also , i think , the way they are passing these voting laws , in an election year, aimed at certain parts of the population . I believe that has turned a lot of people off.

And just for the record, i am for voter ID. But it shouldnt be passed in an election year and people should have access, by the state, to get a state ID. Also, students , who are studying out of state, should be able to use a college ID which would be verified by a letter from the college.

Jay

September 26th, 2012
12:27 pm

Awesome, when I am a minority, maybe my kids can get accepted to an Ivy League school despite average high school grades and low SAT/ACT scores.

Or, you could just change your name to Bush.

Brosephus™

September 26th, 2012
12:28 pm

Yo, I hear you’re only SEMI-sweet and in fact, kinda bitter.

Depends on how much beer I’ve consumed. :)

getalife

September 26th, 2012
12:28 pm

I think both sides have candidates that are the best you can get with today’ s “leaders”.

I think if the left wants to vote for the middle class but congress continues to vote for the wealthy, congress should be voted out.

On the right, compromise or saying something good about our President will get them voted out and don’t expect that fact to change.

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:28 pm

“THIS is was passes for an “intelligent” comment to the Rushbots and the Nealsheep.”

It’s funny how many pinkos accuse me (and all conservatives) of always listening to Rush (never) and Neal (very rarely), yet they never miss an episode of Stewart, Colbert or Maher

Oscar

September 26th, 2012
12:30 pm

All of us have opinions and beliefs that don’t coincide with reality. And most don’t change those opinions, even in the face of evidence. We just die out with our misguided concepts, to be replaced by a younger generation of people who have their on ideas and beliefs, sometimes in reaction to their elders.
That’s how society moves, not by people changing their beliefs as much as being replaced by people with different beliefs. That’s progress.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:31 pm

Class — “It’s funny how many pinkos accuse me (and all conservatives) of always listening to Rush (never) and Neal (very rarely), yet they never miss an episode of Stewart, Colbert or Maher”

I’ll bite. How much factual data do you have on the TV viewing habits of specific ‘pinkos,’ please?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

Well, my reality is getting to be, I kinda dread Nov. 7. That’s the day #1 Foxy Lady will be on here telling us Conservatives to suck the whole world and then go looking for something else to suck.

And that’s the day Mr. Orange Face will be on TV, mad as a doused cat about losing and saying once more, “Hell no, you won’t!” And we’ll be in for four more years of getting nothing done. And the Socialist Muslim Kenyan will be all grinning, knowing he won’t ever have to run for election again, and he’ll be squeezing each of our nuts in his hands and threatening to jump off the little box. He won’t need to worry about the Tax Increases coming up on Jan. 1 and won’t be in no mood to be nice to all the Republicans that called him every name in the book and now want to talk about compromise. And Mr. Orange Face will be sweating little watery bullets and cussin’ and getting drunk.

Oh, Nov. 7 is going to be a bad, bad day for alot of people.

Carol

September 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

Byteme-Got Milk
The rest of us see the President for what he is: flawed in execution, but at least giving voice to the things we want for our country and the better choice between the candidates running for President.

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Well said.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

That’s how society moves, not by people changing their beliefs as much as being replaced by people with different beliefs. That’s progress.

Average age is a lot higher than it used to be.

getalife

September 26th, 2012
12:33 pm

You see how I used original thought without drudgey or any other propaganda?

Your turn cons.

What do you think about the two leaders?

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:34 pm

Class of ‘98

September 26th, 2012
12:28 pm

“THIS is was passes for an “intelligent” comment to the Rushbots and the Nealsheep.”

It’s funny how many pinkos accuse me (and all conservatives) of always listening to Rush (never) and Neal (very rarely), yet they never miss an episode of Stewart, Colbert or Maher
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Right, THEY all just copy you. They troll the blogs looking for YOUR ords so they can then repeat them. Things like calling everyone who is to the left of Attila the Hun a “pinko.”

Who are Stewart, Colbert, and Maher? Are they a new band? I’ve never heard of them. Punk Rock?

I like Crosby, Stills, and Nash though………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMbuJXQCIvo

Brosephus™

September 26th, 2012
12:34 pm

Awesome, when I am a minority, maybe my kids can get accepted to an Ivy League school despite average high school grades and low SAT/ACT scores.

Nope. Thanks to the current, but fleeting, majority being intent on decimating every minority protection rule or clause they can, you can expect none of the above when you become a minority. If you expect the new majority to enact those protections that you’re working hard to remove for them, then I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. As the old saying goes, “what goes around, comes around.”

stands for decibels

September 26th, 2012
12:34 pm

How much factual data do you have on the TV viewing habits of specific ‘pinkos,’ please?

I’ll lend a bit. I’ve never seen Maher on my TeeVee (seen a few clips others have linked to), I find his brand of “oh-aren’t I a naughty little Libertarian?” rather tiresome, and while I went through a year or so of watching the day-after TDS/CR reruns, I haven’t seen them in ages.

Frankly, Jon Stewart pissed me off with his “March for Not Being a Dickbag” or whatever he called that rally in DC, when he didn’t even bother to tell anyone to freaking *vote.* I know he’s a bright guy and his heart’s often in the right place, but he’s hardly some progressive visionary.

LBB

September 26th, 2012
12:34 pm

In your version of reality, how is the budget brought into balance?

larry

September 26th, 2012
12:35 pm

And Mr. Orange Face will be sweating little watery bullets and cussin’ and getting drunk.

Which Mr. Orange Face are talking about?

After that Univision appearance, i dont know if you are talking about Boehner or Romney.

real john

September 26th, 2012
12:35 pm

No Jay, you and your elitist libs are wrong. It will be proven over time. As much as it pains me to say this, I actually think Obama getting reelected will be the best thing that could happen to the Republican party.

Obama, Reid, and Pelosi’s plans’ are certain failures. The only thing they know how to do is to borrow money they don’t have, spend it, and then tell us that we need to pay more taxes. Four more years of Obama will only make our situation even worse and people will realize just how wrong the lib’s economic plans are.

I just saw a poll that said that 90% of Greece citizens are against austerity….Well what do you know, people are against pay cuts for themselves?? Just because a bunch of mindless people vote for Obama doesn’t mean they or YOU are right.

Obama’s and the libs economic polices long term are a 100% certainty of failure. It doesn’t take a math genius to figure it out. Yet, you will continue to support and defend these stupid economic policies. The house of cards WILL fall at some point…The situation in Europe is only going to get worse and we are a few years behind. The only reason we aren’t in total economic collapse is that we can print our own money.

JDW

September 26th, 2012
12:35 pm

@Class of 98…”And Walker won by 8″

Actually he won by 6.8% of the vote..final RCP average was 6.7%….

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/governor/wi/wisconsin_governor_recall_election_walker_vs_barrett-3056.html

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:35 pm

“Or, you could just change your name to Bush”

Or I could just be a minority. Oops, make that non-Asian minority. For some reason, Asians apparently haven’t had as difficult a struggle to succeed in this country as other minorities. I’m sure work ethic, focus on academics and career achievement, and family stability have nothing to do with that.

They obviously succeed only because the mean old, all-powerful white man is less racist against them.

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:36 pm

Oscar

September 26th, 2012
12:30 pm

All of us have opinions and beliefs that don’t coincide with reality. And most don’t change those opinions, even in the face of evidence. We just die out with our misguided concepts, to be replaced by a younger generation of people who have their on ideas and beliefs, sometimes in reaction to their elders.
That’s how society moves, not by people changing their beliefs as much as being replaced by people with different beliefs. That’s progress.
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Well I’m younger than you and I believe I’m going to have a beer………

Jay

September 26th, 2012
12:36 pm

In your version of reality, how is the budget brought into balance?

By spending cuts and tax increases.

And in yours?

stands for decibels

September 26th, 2012
12:36 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:36 pm

real john — “No Jay, you and your elitist libs are wrong. It will be proven over time.”

Well, it sure won’t be proven in November. :D

Henry

September 26th, 2012
12:38 pm

“a time will always arrive when your created reality must be “trued up” against actual reality. You can delay that moment, you can dodge that moment, but eventually it must come.”

There’s a song that fits here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOiquKuoDac

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:38 pm

Brosephus, are you familiar with SARCASM?

Here, I’ll dumb it down a little for you…. I’m not in favor of affirmative action, for me or for anyone else.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:38 pm

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:38 pm

Class of ‘98

September 26th, 2012
12:35 pm

“Or, you could just change your name to Bush”

Or I could just be a minority. Oops, make that non-Asian minority. For some reason, Asians apparently haven’t had as difficult a struggle to succeed in this country as other minorities. I’m sure work ethic, focus on academics and career achievement, and family stability have nothing to do with that.

They obviously succeed only because the mean old, all-powerful white man is less racist against them.
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I think you are on the wrong blog. Don’t you want to be here?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

paulo 977

September 26th, 2012
12:39 pm

Sorry to cut in BUT …how can we ever forget?

RIP Andy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFQ5OggPXng

larry

September 26th, 2012
12:39 pm

No Jay, you and your elitist libs are wrong. It will be proven over time.”

Ask Mr. Cameron how austerity cuts are working in England

Tommy Maddox

September 26th, 2012
12:40 pm

Well, America will get and rightfully deserve that whom it elects.

real john

September 26th, 2012
12:40 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

AGAIN to my point, just because a bunch of uneducated people who will vote for Obama just because he is black and the unions vote for Obama doesn’t mean they are RIGHT..

Obama may win by votes, but that doesn’t mean he is the BEST or RIGHT choice…

The Libs will spend this country to collapse…the Tea Party and Paul Ryan are the only ones trying to put REAL, ADULT solutions on the table…no stimulus pipe dreams

stands for decibels

September 26th, 2012
12:40 pm

That’s the day #1 Foxy Lady will be on here telling us Conservatives to suck

#1 Foxy Lady is the Reason for the Season!

…kinda like Santa and his reindeer.

MiltonMan

September 26th, 2012
12:41 pm

“…may have to come to grips on Election Night with the fact that a majority of their fellow Americans simply do not see the world as they do, that in fact they, not the president and his supporters, are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream.”

Comparable to how libs in this state have come to grips that the majority in this state do not agree with them & they are out of touch with the mainstream in this state???

getalife

September 26th, 2012
12:41 pm

Okay lets talk about cutting a deal on the budget.

Our President has proved he is willing to give the right more welfare with tax cuts to make a deal but the right have not offered any concession and refuse to do so.

So how do you cut a deal?

The American people voting is how..

Mr. Holmes

September 26th, 2012
12:41 pm

I’m sure work ethic, focus on academics and career achievement, and family stability have nothing to do with that.

Do you honestly believe that Hispanics in this country don’t have a strong work ethic? Have you seen the jobs they do? Or that they don’t have families as “stable” as typical white folks’ (most Hispanics are Catholic, in case you don’t know).

I mean, sorry to rain on your own little White Victimhood parade, but let’s keep things real.

Brosephus™

September 26th, 2012
12:41 pm

Here, I’ll dumb it down a little for you…. I’m not in favor of affirmative action, for me or for anyone else.

Maybe you need to smarten things up a bit. Most people here generally tag sarcasm as such to avoid any confusion. I am intelligent enough to read and comprehend, but sarcasm generally does not translate well without hearing inflections or emphasis on certain words.

That wasn’t too smart for you was it? As to your view on affirmative action, my original post still stands as is. You’ll definitely get your wish, but I’ll pray that your grandchildren don’t suffer as a result.

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:43 pm

What did I say that was racist, Fred? That I don’t believe in affirmative action, i.e. preferential treatment based on skin color? Wasn’t MLK also against that? What a RACIST that guy was!!

Was it that Asians succeed because of work ethic and ambition? Stop the presses on that one!!

In any event, thank you for proving for the hundred millionth time, that when a liberal can’t say any thing else, he accuses racism.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:44 pm

real john — “AGAIN to my point, just because a bunch of uneducated people who will vote for Obama just because he is black and the unions vote for Obama doesn’t mean they are RIGHT.”

There’s no point in that at all; just a bunch of racist and anti-union rhetoric without any actual content at all.

“Obama may win by votes, but that doesn’t mean he is the BEST or RIGHT choice.”

I’m sure you will get a great deal of consolation out of that thought in November.

“The Libs will spend this country to collapse…”

Spare me. Cons are doing it, too.

“the Tea Party and Paul Ryan are the only ones trying to put REAL, ADULT solutions on the table…”

Horsespit. Romney’s current budget plans call for CONTINUED deficit spending for the foreseeable future.

Carol

September 26th, 2012
12:44 pm

For some reason I believe the GOP started the blame game around this time in the election season in 2008. They realized that the Palin bump was only temporary. Once she had that Katie Couric interview all bets were off. John McCain’s ship was sunk. I’m sure they are already looking to 2016 or 2020.

Liz

September 26th, 2012
12:44 pm

What woman wants to go back to re-litigate their rights to control their reproductive rights?
This “new conservative” Republican Party rightfully proclaims it to wants to limit government, yet apparently has no problem regulating harassing requirements for unnecessary trans-vaginal ultrasounds, waiting periods and counseling before allowing an adult woman her constitutional right. This is “old thinking”, and it is killing the party.

b-troll

September 26th, 2012
12:45 pm

“are the minority that is out of touch with the American mainstream.”

So if you lose by 4%, those other 48% are Americans are “out of touch with the American mainstream”?

I don’t think so.

Are they in the “minority”? Yes. Out of touch, out of the mainstream? No way.

We’re 50/50 (approx.) today, and we will be in November.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 26th, 2012
12:45 pm

real john

i would sugest we are actually 4 years ahead of europe.

their intial reaction to the Bush recession was austerity and that
failed….hence they are still in deep doo doo.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 26th, 2012
12:45 pm

[sniff] What is that Stench? Why I am sure with references like this for the top of his ticket, Ryan and his fellow Teapartiers will be more than happy to tell us how Romney was forced on them…..wasn’t that their excuse with McCain? :lol:

Fred ™

September 26th, 2012
12:46 pm

Holy Cow JHM, thta was freaking funny (and a little scary lol). But I HAD to see Obama with a little face too…….

http://tinyurl.com/c4hwnsh

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:46 pm

MiltonMan — “Comparable to how libs in this state have come to grips that the majority in this state do not agree with them & they are out of touch with the mainstream in this state???”

I’m an American How about you?

If you want to posit some sort of push for secession, go right ahead, but unless and until secession actually happens, you’re an American, too.

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2012
12:46 pm

Two differing ways of viewing reality, and one will take the lead through this upcoming election.

Isn’t that the essential characteristic of any evolutionary process – that what prevails, over time, will emerge as the newer reality? Hopefullly, our world will continue to evolve in the direction of greater egalitarianism, as demonstrated through this election.

Could it be that Republicans, somehow, subconsciously understand this evolutionary process will mean a small death to their vision and, thus, their railings against what seems to be happening? Understandable, to be sure, and even sad in the way that dying is always sad, but what emerges to greater life, as a result, will be uplifting for humanity, as a whole.

TaxPayer

September 26th, 2012
12:46 pm

Dang Jay. Did you hire Class of 98 as your existence proof or is his presence here a coincidental part of your reality.

b-troll

September 26th, 2012
12:46 pm

“Because if the message is wrong, it forces a readjustment to reality that is too painful to be considered.”

This is a battle over principles and ideals. Not messaging.

Class of '98

September 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

Anyhoo, let’s see what the almight polls show after the debates. You know, where Obama actually has to answer questions about the economy to the moderators and American people instead of answering questions about “Call Me Maybe” to Albuquerque Top 40 deejays?

I’m seeing movement in those polls over the course of the next month.

Li'l Aynie

September 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

Is it possible that the alternate reality of modern Republicans was the actual reality of the 19th Century?

Just look at a map of the “red” and “blue” states: the “red” states are more or less the same as the Confederate states in the 1860’s.

The important issues for modern Republicans are the same as those of conservatives in the 19th Century: mistrust of ethnic minorities, “social issues” to rescind Constitutional liberties, and guns for protection from incursions by the US government.

Mr. Holmes

September 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

In any event, thank you for proving for the hundred millionth time, that when a liberal can’t say any thing else, he accuses racism.

And thank YOU, sir, for confirming the stereotype of conservatives as folks who always preach personal responsibility to others but are rarely able to accept responsibility for their own failures. I am so very sorry that other people have let you down all your life.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

Class — “In any event, thank you for proving for the hundred millionth time, that when a liberal can’t say any thing else, he accuses racism.”

You certainly seem bent on putting everyone into nice, neat little boxes without bothering to find out anything about them.

If you’re going to make prejudging others your rhetorical standard here, then expect to be labeled a racist. A lot.

BTW, I’m still awaiting your pinko TV-watching data, so pony it up.

mm

September 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

The tea party is destroying the GOP, pushing it farther and farther to the right.

But the GOP keeps blaming their moderates.

America will punish them in Nov.

Carol

September 26th, 2012
12:49 pm

Real John
AGAIN to my point, just because a bunch of uneducated people who will vote for Obama just because he is black and the unions vote for Obama doesn’t mean they are RIGHT..
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Well, your comment proves Jay’s topic. The blame game. It also goes to the problem that many people have with Repubs in general–the idea that you have superior intelligence. You want to tout American democracy and force it to others all over the world, but don’t want to accept it from your fellow Americans. The only difference between the Taliban and the Republicans is they don’t go out and kill people for not believing the way they do.