Take a sober look at military option against Iran

We have learned, one would hope, not to wade into another war blindly optimistic about what it might accomplish or what costs it might entail. Given the rhetoric and bluster bandied about regarding Iran, however, some have learned those lessons less well than others.

A group of foreign policy experts calling itself the Iran Project has undertaken a study of the potential benefits and costs of military intervention against Iran by the United States and Israel. Its work has been endorsed by well-known figures in the foreign-policy field such as former U.S. Sens. Sam Nunn and Chuck Hagel, former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft, and seven former generals or admirals with extensive military experience in the Middle East.

The report, available here, takes as a given that “a nuclear-armed Iran would pose dangerous challenges to U.S. interests and security, as well as to the security of Israel.” It simply attempts to lay out in clear fashion both the potential benefits and costs of attempting to solve that problem through military means.

Among their findings, authors of the report suggest that a military attack by Israel would succeed in delaying Iran’s nuclear program by two years at best. The United States, with its additional resources, could set the effort back by as long as four years, but would then be forced to repeat the process on a fairly regular basis over an extended period of time. Once undertaken, such attacks would greatly reduce the chances of eventually ending the program by non-military means.

“In fact,” the report states, “we believe that a U.S. attack on Iran would increase Iran’s motivation to build a bomb, because 1) the Iranian leadership would become more convinced than ever that regime change is the goal of U.S. policy, and 2) building a bomb would be seen as a way to inhibit future attacks and redress the humiliation of being attacked.” It also concludes that resistance within Iran to the current regime would all but disappear as the Iranian people rally against outside invaders.

The authors also warn that “In addition to costing the U.S. economy hundreds of billions of dollars yearly, a sustained conflict would boost the price of oil and further disrupt an already fragile world economy.”

Given their backgrounds, we can assume that the authors of the report are privy to discussions in Washington that the rest of us are not. That makes one section of their report particularly chilling:

“Privately, some national security experts and advisors may have embraced the more modest objective of delaying Iran’s ability to build a nuclear weapon, as a step toward prevention; but some others may have embraced objectives that are far broader than official statements currently suggest. Even in order to fulfill the stated objective of ensuring that Iran never acquires a nuclear bomb, the U.S. would need to conduct a significantly expanded air and sea war over a prolonged period of time, likely several years. If the U.S. decided to seek a more ambitious objective, such as regime change in Iran or undermining Iran’s influence in the region, then an even greater commitment of force would be required to occupy all or part of the country.

Given Iran’s large size and population, and the strength of Iranian nationalism, we estimate that the occupation of Iran would require a commit- ment of resources and personnel greater than what the U.S. has expended over the past 10 years in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.” (emphasis original).

In addition to the significant financial costs of conducting such attacks, the report warns, “serious costs to U.S. interests would also be felt over the longer term, we believe, with problematic consequences for global and regional stability, including economic stability. A dynamic of escalation, action, and counteraction could produce serious unintended consequences that would significantly increase all of these costs and lead, potentially, to all-out regional war.”

The decision to use military power, to put American lives on the line and to make ourselves vulnerable to the unknowable consequences that war always brings, must never be made lightly. Certainly, such a profound decision must never be subcontracted out to the leadership of another country. And while leaders who want to take the American people to war have an obligation to be honest and forthright, citizens have an equal obligation to educate themselves as well as possible about its potential risks and costs.

It is, after all, our sons and daughters, and those of our friends and neighbors, who will be asked to carry out that policy.

– Jay Bookman

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USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:24 am

“The decision to use military power, to put American lives on the line and to make ourselves vulnerable to the unknowable consequences that war always brings, must never be made lightly.”

oh, Jay – that’s just defeatist talk – don’t you know, we’re ‘MURICA! our colors don’t run! hooooo-rah! (particularly as long as someone else’s sons and daughters are the ones doing the fighting)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:25 am

ooooo … just back from lunch and STILL firsties.

King of Everything

September 25th, 2012
8:28 am

FACTS do not matter. Defense contractors are dependent on Government and thinks they are entitled so we need to give them more handouts, as long as I don’t know anyone who is actually fighting the field.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
8:28 am

The United States, with its additional resources, could set the effort back by as long as four years, but would then be forced to repeat the process on a fairly regular basis over an extended period of time.

I know we can’t actually decapitate and place atop pikes the heads of those elected officials who suggest that such a course of action would be a great idea.

But I will admit there are times when I wish we could.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:29 am

JAY,

I couldn’t agree more…seems to me our “interests” are primarily oil and to a much lesser extent (certainly by Obama) protecting Israel….

I’ve become quite the pacifist over time…in retrospect, I don’t see that we have lost military lives for a legitimate reason since WWII.

The people of IRAN need to motivate changes..although the temptation of whacking Almondidiscoopydoo while he is here presents…well..as mentioned yesterday, we can always make it look like some IRAN freedom fighters did it:-)

getalife

September 25th, 2012
8:30 am

We are broke remember?

How do you pay for it?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:31 am

KING,

Spot on about DoD contractors owning DC…seems the bravado associated with sending our military people into harms way or otherwise attempting regime change hasn’t worked out too well for us…

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:33 am

“in retrospect, I don’t see that we have lost military lives for a legitimate reason since WWII”

word.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:33 am

GETALIFE,

Don’t be silly we borrow from some of Irans’ allies…China, whomever:-)

If we could get that 2% of total revenues from the evil rich, we can lever that to borrow a pile of dough…although I’d bet our interest rate would increase..

Deficit is our biggest security exposure..

Jay

September 25th, 2012
8:33 am

Stevie Ray, Ahmadinejad is a symptom of the problem, not its cause. Remove him, and somebody even crazier is likely to replace him.

Aquagirl

September 25th, 2012
8:34 am

We need to approach this like the Brady Bunch episode where Peter stood up to the bully teasing his lispy sister. Because international relations work just like that.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:34 am

“Almondidiscoopydoo ”

I thought it was “I’mamaddinnerjacket”

Peadawg

September 25th, 2012
8:35 am

“It is, after all, our sons and daughters, and those of our friends and neighbors, who will be asked to carry out that policy.”

Not Romney’s sons or daughters.

I really do believe that it should be a REQUIREMENT that the President serve in the military. Just like being a natural citizen, 35 yrs old, etc. etc.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
8:35 am

Uh Oh! Don’t let the Republican politicians see this. They’ll adopt it as their new jobs plan.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
8:37 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

September 25th, 2012
8:29 am
JAY,

I couldn’t agree more…seems to me our “interests” are primarily oil and to a much lesser extent (certainly by Obama) protecting Israel….

I’ve become quite the pacifist over time…in retrospect, I don’t see that we have lost military lives for a legitimate reason since WWII.

The people of IRAN need to motivate changes..although the temptation of whacking Almondidiscoopydoo while he is here presents…well..as mentioned yesterday, we can always make it look like some IRAN freedom fighters did it:-)
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Wrong-a-roo on Obama in the first paragraph….Ehud Barak and I think
that’s nonsense

Other than that, a well thought out post.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
8:37 am

It is called the mic. Military Industrial complex a Republican warned us about. Yes, it is trillion dollar welfare and one time I was shopping a Walmart and saw a General with bling driving a Hummer and he paid with a government check :)

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
8:37 am

Stevie Ray, Ahmadinejad is a symptom of the problem, not its cause. Remove him, and somebody even crazier is likely to replace him.

well, if you “remove him” by, as SR suggests, “whacking” him, you’ve committed an act of war.

There’d be no blaming that on some Sunni refugee lone wolf even if it were, you know, an actual Sunni refugee lone wolf that dunnit.

Indeed, one should probably pray for Achmadinnerjacket’s continued good health, in that regard.

King of Everything

September 25th, 2012
8:37 am

Warning! Woe be unto America if we elect another draft dodger to the Presidency this November.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
8:38 am

Rule Number One: If you want to war monger, then first impose a war tax to fund it. A highly progressive war tax that is based on one’s personal wealth given that those with the most have the most to lose and should therefore pay the most in order to protect their larger assets.

Not Blind

September 25th, 2012
8:40 am

Don’t worry, your joke in chief has a strategy sure to bring about positive change in the world situation.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:40 am

“Rule Number One: If you want to war monger, then first impose a war tax to fund it. A highly progressive war tax that is based on one’s personal wealth given that those with the most have the most to lose and should therefore pay the most in order to protect their larger assets.”

eeeeeyup … kind of like what they did during the Civil War when you could buy your way out of serving

Jay

September 25th, 2012
8:41 am

But the good thing is, War is Very Very Good Indeed for Big Business.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:43 am

JAY,

I agree and was just jesting…the thought is tempting…

GRANNY,

I think Obama’s ME foreign policy outcomes speak for themselves…and he is treating the Zionists with less respect than any other president I can think of…to think BO went to Vegas to raise money and on the VIEW while all this is going on speaks volumes..

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
8:43 am

Don’t worry, your joke in chief has a strategy

I’ll take his approach to that of the “s’cuse me while I whip this out” approach of the neocon crap-for-brains any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Gotta go produce, kids. Don’t step in any elephant dung while I’m away, if you can help it.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
8:44 am

I challenge any one of you ditto heads to show proof that any of the sons or daughters of the drum beaters will actually be serving along side regular folks like me. I also dare you to show me how we’re going to pay for it all, especially when people like Willard think it’s acceptable to be partial citizens. If you want to fight in Iran, nothing is stopping you from buying a plane ticket and going there yourself. I hear the plutocratic theocracy loves foreign agitators over there. Uncle Sam needs a break.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
8:45 am

Former generals and war profiteers beating the war drums. No way!

getalife

September 25th, 2012
8:45 am

Stevie Ray,

Point taken. Can’t Iran just buy a nuke from China or Russia for a big oil deal?

Paul

September 25th, 2012
8:47 am

That’s quite a ‘who’s who’ list of signatories. I believe they’re all noticeably absent from Romney’s foreign policy advisory team.

I’ll keep pounding this drum: attacking Iran would be only the second example we have of the modern US conducting a preventive war – going to war with a country to stop something we think might happen. Not that we know will happen, not against a direct act of aggression against us, but just something we imagine. Only other time we’ve done that has been with Iraq and we all know how that turned out.

An underdiscussed part of that report is that historically, external attacks that threaten the viability of a nation serve to unite the populace regardless of their leadership. We saw it with Russia in WWII – fighting for Mother Russia despite the depredations of Stalin, to cite but one example. So if we want to strengthen the hold of the mullahs, wipe out any antigovernment opposition and perpetuate extremists in power, then by all means we should attack.

There are opposing viewpoints. General Jack Keane, military analyst for Fox News, was on yesterday on this very topic. When he was asked what Iran would do in response to an attack he replied “Oh, not much because they don’t want a war with the US. We’d destroy their military and it would turn out badly for them.”

Even generals can be naive.

The only reason we’d attack is because of fear of what Iran might do. And as we all know (being generous, here) acting out of fear does not lead to good decisions.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:47 am

TAXPAYER,

That’s fine and well but how much can you really expect the evil rich to pay? The current request is only 2% of revenues…can’t give much assault for $80 billion a year…especially when we will shortly be spending $200 billion a year to keep the BS HC bill alive…

Let’s learn our lesson and stop sticking our noses under these folks tents…

JAY,

It’s terrific business to be certain…some idiot will suggest it will do wonders for job creation…

Lord Help Us

September 25th, 2012
8:47 am

‘Take a sober look at military option against Iran’

SOBER?!?

It’s almost 9am/ No way the Digit Idgit is still sober at 9…

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:47 am

“while all this is going on”

and I couldn’t disagree more.

the minute the president changes his schedule because of a bunch of rioters in another country, he elevates their importance and turns it into more than what it is. which is a bunch of rioters – not an act of war.

Lord Help Us

September 25th, 2012
8:48 am

‘I believe they’re all noticeably absent from Romney’s foreign policy advisory team.’

Although it would be cool to do a side by side comparison to Romney’s advisers just for grins…

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
8:49 am

I predict Willard’s sons will be on the first plane to Europe to serve a “mission” for their cult. I’m sure they have had hands laid on them by now and have their “true priesthood.” The best writers in Hollywood couldn’t make this stuff up. Ditto-heads will buy anything with a flag on his lapel and an (R) next to his name.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:49 am

GETALIFE,

I’m sure if they haven’t already, they have several on lay-a-way with NKorea, China or the Russia..

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
8:49 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

September 25th, 2012

GRANNY,

I think Obama’s ME foreign policy outcomes speak for themselves…and he is treating the Zionists with less respect than any other president I can think of…to think BO went to Vegas to raise money and on the VIEW while all this is going on speaks volumes..
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Again, I and Ehud Barak don’t agree.

I suggest the opinion of the Defense Minister of Israel is signifigantly
more informed that yours.

Jay

September 25th, 2012
8:49 am

Stevie Ray, Obama did not go to Vegas to raise money.

Again, there was no fundraiser in Vegas.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:50 am

” I believe they’re all noticeably absent from Romney’s foreign policy advisory team.”

Foreign policy advisors??? why, I wonder who IS on that team!!!

hey, lookee there!! it’s the same team that brought us “Mess-o-potamia” (as JStewart called it)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/14/mitt-romney-foreign-policy-advisers

John Bolton, Den Senor, Robert Kagan

gee, what’s not to like with THAT team …

b-troll

September 25th, 2012
8:50 am

“and lead, potentially, to all-out regional war”

I’m afraid war is inevitable. Sadly. Just a matter of when.

Would you prefer to have a war with a nuclear armed Iran, or one that does not have nuclear weapons?

I’ll take the latter.

“We will exterminate Israel” – Ahmadinejad

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-un-assembly-ahmadinejad-idUSBRE88N0HF20120924

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:51 am

GRAVYTRAIN,

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least but they’d have to compete with other cults (not to discount Tim Tebow) to get top billing…I think we encourage all to head to Syria or Libya..

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
8:51 am

Jay, off topic, but I have been trying to get Kyle to expose the plutocrats that are really running the show for the GOP. I think he is trying very hard to project “party unity” with his shameless promotion of one Willard Romney, poster boy of the plutocrat. Would you consider a blog on this topic before election day?

Paul

September 25th, 2012
8:52 am

Peadawg

“I really do believe that it should be a REQUIREMENT that the President serve in the military. Just like being a natural citizen, 35 yrs old, etc. etc.”

Think about some of the exmilitary types here who broadcast their service as a superior basis for their opinions.

Does four years’ duty maybe sitting in a foxhole and taking orders really give one an edge on big-picture national security issues?

You sure you want such a limited pool of candidates?

DannyX

September 25th, 2012
8:52 am

Hopefully Romney will be elected so we can start paying for the Iran war immediately, with huge tax cuts. It worked in Iraq.

b-troll

September 25th, 2012
8:52 am

“there was no fundraiser in Vegas.”

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

b-troll

September 25th, 2012
8:53 am

“We are broke remember?

How do you pay for it?”

For better or worse, bombs are comparatively cheap.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:54 am

“Would you prefer to have a war with a nuclear armed Iran, or one that does not have nuclear weapons?”

wow. that’s going out on a limb, there.

does that mean you’re volunteering to go down inside the mountain where they’re “not” producing nuclear weapons?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/09/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSTRE8080KT20120109

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
8:54 am

Thoughtful deliberate calculation of risks and rewards vs. cowboy tough mentality of shoot first and see what happens. A real President vs Bush and Bush wannabe 2– oh the choices.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
8:54 am

JAY,

Noted…but was he campaigning in Vegas while the ME is on fire? Nothing is happening in DC…this is the 30% of the time our corruptresentatives spend not governing…

The View? Really..did he use our tax dollars to attend?

Why is he once again, gone AWOL during this time? Is there nothing he can do or is he waiting for re-election so “he will have more flexibility”…??

Peadawg

September 25th, 2012
8:55 am

“Does four years’ duty maybe sitting in a foxhole and taking orders really give one an edge on big-picture national security issues?”

No not necessarily. But then they’ll know what it’s like before they send our 18 yr old overseas.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
8:56 am

Lord Help Us

“Although it would be cool to do a side by side comparison to Romney’s advisers just for grins…”

Jay had a thread on Romney’s foreign policy advisory team.

It’s onward to the past and Iraq II.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:56 am

“but was he campaigning in Vegas while the ME is on fire?”

again – you stop everything you’re doing then you MAKE them important.

Gale

September 25th, 2012
8:56 am

Pumping money and arms into the middle east has exacerbated what seems to me to be tribal disputes.

nelson

September 25th, 2012
8:56 am

I saw CBS this morning. Charley Rose and co. were interviewing the Iranian President. One of the questions asked was would the President like to apologize for a statement he made that Israel should not even be there, The Iranian President replied, “apologize for what, what I said was true”. That was the end of that, the lesson is, when the fella being interviewed is not running for office like Mitt, the same rough tatics do not work.”

F. Sinkwich

September 25th, 2012
8:57 am

A nuclear Iran?

No big deal, just another bump in the road.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
8:57 am

According to the conned, the President (well as least Dem Presidents) should never leave the White House and apparently they have no way to keep up with events while traveling and must micromanage every aspect of government. :roll: Oh wait Carter did that, them cons love Carter. :roll:

Paul

September 25th, 2012
8:57 am

b-troll

“I’m afraid war is inevitable. ”

Hopefully you have more than one press-conference quote from an elected official who’s nearing the end of his term to take the US into war?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 25th, 2012
8:58 am

Well, I say let’s get this over and done with. Little Nathan Zell George is pretty near 4 now and I want the wars out of the way before he turns 18. Course, I reckon I could get him in a colledge. That’s the way the rich people keep their kids out of the military.

I’m a Red White and Blue American Patriot except when it comes to turning my kin into cannon fodder. Besides, we could use the jobs that all those defense contractors would be creating.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.l

Jay

September 25th, 2012
8:58 am

Jack Keane: He’s the genius who insisted that we keep our troops in Iraq, regardless of what the Iraqis said, because we had to protect the Iraqi democracy.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
8:58 am

AWOL? Stevie really?

I’m quite sure wherever he goes he remains connected.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
8:59 am

awwwwwwww … how cute! F Sink got his meme for the day

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:00 am

Funny, how Israel bombed the Syria “nuke site” without any warmongering.

I hope they are working on stopping drones from bombing us.

b-troll

September 25th, 2012
9:00 am

(off topic)

Looks like the MARTA critics were right.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/transportation/marta-needs-to-privatize-functions-revamp-employee/nSKwS/

back to regular scheduled programming….

Paul

September 25th, 2012
9:00 am

Peadawg

I understand that point of view, but I would offer that service, particularly in peacetime, particularly in a nonfrontline unit, may not have the desired effect for all who serve.

I’m just pretty leery of extra-constitutional requirements that would be imposed for decades to come.

A dad

September 25th, 2012
9:01 am

Agree 100% with b-troll that war with Islam is inevitable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is incredibly naive. The political “leaders” do not control their countries; rather, it is the mullahs, the majority of which are extremist (recent events should confirm that). Islam does not accept other religions. The options, as I have said before (after doing a bit of studying) are three: convert; convert by the sword, or die because you are an infidel. Look at recent history, not just the hubbub about the film. Stoning people to death for “insults” to Muhammed, including children? Slitting the throats of one’s own daughters to avenge the family’s honor because the girls happened to have the bad luck to have been raped by soldiers? Folks, this is not a religion, or at least not as practiced by the millions and millions of people we see storming our embassies, burning our flag, murdering each other (shi’ite v. sunni), who have no respect for any law other than sharia, etc. The solution for Iran is somewhat simplistic, and it involves a large number of nuclear-tipped tomahawks. Does anyone really believe they are not seeking to build a nuclear weapon and once they have it, will use it against Israel? And for all the female libs on this site, imagine yourself forced to wear a burkha. Or the only time you can leave your house is in the company of a male relative. Blogging in this site? Fuggitaboutit! Hmmm, guess there are some upsides to islamic law….

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
9:01 am

Sort of off topic:

Apple supplier’s factory in China resumes production after brawl highlights labor tensions.

Word from Mitt is that the security forces at the plant successfully repelled the army of poor people outside the fence that came demanding jobs at the plant.

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
9:01 am

Make no mistake, the Grand Ayatollah Ali Hosseini Khamenei runs the show in Iran. The Little Iranian is just a mouthpiece. The shots are being called way up the line.

Out By The Pond

September 25th, 2012
9:01 am

I am officially a moocher, filed for my SS. Do not start any wars before 2020, I want to make sure I withdrawal all my contributions. Oh Willard, can I remain a moocher if I pay a higher effective tax rate than you? I bet the oil revenue we get from taken over wells in Iran will more than pay for the war, a new car for every American, as well as a chicken in every pot.

Aquagirl

September 25th, 2012
9:02 am

No not necessarily. But then they’ll know what it’s like before they send our 18 yr old overseas.

Flying around Alabama didn’t stop GW Bush from sending our 18 year olds overseas into one of the dumbest wars ever.

How about we just elect people who aren’t testosterone-poisoned cowboys? That seems a lot simpler.

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
9:03 am

“According to the conned, the President (well as least Dem Presidents) should never leave the White House”

and if he DID do that…they’d say he was out of touch with the American people

GA Dawg

September 25th, 2012
9:03 am

By leaking this anti-american garbage, it has boldened the enemy and made it more difficult to be a brave american and fight the enemy. This is treason and has hurt the working man’s attitude to fighting for America.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
9:04 am

For better or worse, bombs are comparatively cheap.

Now if only you can negotiate a good delivery rate with FedeX, you’ll be set.

Peadawg

September 25th, 2012
9:04 am

“How about we just elect people who aren’t testosterone-poisoned cowboys?”

Fine by me. Who do you have in mind besides Obama and Romney?

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:05 am

kayaker – 9:01 – totally agree.

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
9:05 am

Given Iran’s large size and population, and the strength of Iranian nationalism, we estimate that the occupation of Iran would require a commitment of resources and personnel greater than what the U.S. has expended over the past 10 years in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.” (emphasis original).

It’s simply a fact that a way is going to have to be found to put to work all the scores of people left out of work by this ongoing crisis of capitalism, to which no end is in sight. When an FDR-style works program continues to be off the table and out of the question, these are the types of mass projects that are going to have to be considered. Simply to sustain some measure of social stability and minimize social tension. It will fail miserably of course, just as Iraq and Afghanistan have failed. But failure never stops these people from plowing ahead sooner or later.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
9:05 am

Jay,

I glanced at the report, I am assuming you have read the entire report.

Honestly I just don’t feel like reading it all in detail right now.

Do you know if the report assessed the financial effect of Iran developing and using a nuke?

How would that cost compare to the cost of prevention and how much life would be expected lost if Iran did comete development and then fire the weapon.

By the rhetoric it is very conceivable that if the weapon is obtained Iran will use it given the wipe them off the map comments.

Just trying to access the cost of not acting as well

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
9:05 am

JAY,

Here is the exact “mute” text from Woodward…Obama called the speakers office an Pelosi put him on speakerphone near the window so everyone could hear…He delivered a high-minded message…they were going to save the economy with this bill, everything was at stake….

Thank you Mr P said Reid

Pelosi said she understood and we get it.

But the president wasn’t done ..warming to his subject, he continued with an uplifting speech

Pelosi reached over and pressed mute….they could hear Obama but he couldn’t hear them. The president continued speaking, his disembodied voice filling the room while the two leaders got back to the hard numbers….’

I can see where his words are easily “taken out of context” but the fact remains it took the “urging of Emanuel to get Obama involved to weigh in and engage…at the last minute mind you while the house was trying to get the numbers to a level that would avoid filibuster…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

September 25th, 2012
9:06 am

This is not about oil. You have to ask yourself a few questions. Can they ( Iran) build nukes. Absolutely.
Would they use them on Israel. My guess is about a 75% chance. The question we have to ask ourselves…..does Israel have nukes now? If so, Does Iran go out with a bang knowing they took all of Israel out but have 50 nukes coming at them from Israel crossing in air of each other thus Iran is over as a country forever? My guess is Iran wants nukes to bully their way in the region with constant threats to use them.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:07 am

“Fine by me. Who do you have in mind besides Obama and Romney?”

oh, all right … I’ll serve as President.

(my platform: no Christmas decorations out before Thanksgiving, everyone gets their birthday off from work and school, and a national nap from 1:30-3 to make the country a happier place)

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 25th, 2012
9:09 am

If the U.S. decided to seek a more ambitious objective, such as regime change in Iran or undermining Iran’s influence in the region, then an even greater commitment of force would be required to occupy all or part of the country.

And Dick Cheney rumbles, “I proved that facts don’t matter.”

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:09 am

wolf asked dan senor about Dowd’s piece on the neocons slithering back with romney and his response was it was not worthy of comment.

Two failed occupations not worthy of comment?

They want another one in Iran if the people don’t stop them.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
9:09 am

GETALIFE,

He is then setting himself up for criticism as the optics are dismal…also, labeling the death of ambassador a “bump in the road” (not sure he was referring to LIbya or the whole mess in the ME). provides more fodder for GOP cannon…he sh$t the bed in that 60 minutes interview..

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 25th, 2012
9:10 am

oh, all right … I’ll serve as President.

Better Food 2012!!

Peadawg

September 25th, 2012
9:11 am

USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 25th, 2012
9:07 am

Wow…I think I’m going to write in “USinUK” on the ballot. That platform is actually pretty freakin’ awesome.

Aquagirl

September 25th, 2012
9:11 am

oh, all right … I’ll serve as President.

See, Peadawg? Problem solved. :)

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
9:13 am

Aquagirl: “We need to approach this like the Brady Bunch episode where Peter stood up to the bully teasing his lispy sister”

Yeah, they do alright. But figuring out who actually is the bully, that can be a trickier thing in int’ntl affairs.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:13 am

“I’m sure if they haven’t already, they have several on lay-a-way with NKorea, China or the Russia”

Thank you for shopping at Commie Mart.

Thomas Heyward Jr

September 25th, 2012
9:13 am

Our Central Planners in Washington should just stick with the War on Women, War on Poverty, and maybe the War on Drugs for now.
.
Forward Soviet!

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:14 am

P’dawg – hey, I know how to bring people together!

oh, and yes, better baked goods for a better America!

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
9:14 am

USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 25th, 2012
9:07 am

Any flexibility on that nap time I get tired at 12 and then I’m fine by 2.

If this is rigid I’m sorry I cannot support you.

Fred ™

September 25th, 2012
9:14 am

If Iran wants a nuke so bad I say we give them one. Hell give them several. Nuke the whole Country wait a few days to see if anyone survived and then nuke them again.

We won’t have to go back in two to four years no matter WHAT Sam Nunn says………..

godless heathen

September 25th, 2012
9:15 am

Is there any difference between legally avoiding the draft and failing to volunteer for military service?

curious

September 25th, 2012
9:16 am

God help us!

Thomas Heyward Jr

September 25th, 2012
9:16 am

And it’s pushing October……… The War on Christmas will surely be heating up.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:16 am

Marty – yes, I’m totally flexible on the naptime (my issue is usually the post-lunch food coma, but I understand that other people have different nap-related needs)

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
9:16 am

Who believes that eventually, we will have to confront Islam and the Muslim world?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:18 am

Stevie,

You can’t beat him on national security.

mitt is a rookie that went beserk after the attack and called our President a terrorist sympathyzer.

Don't Tread

September 25th, 2012
9:18 am

I wonder what a nuclear attack by Iran against Israel would do for the economy and the price of oil?

It’s a good thing Israel isn’t counting on you for anything. :roll:

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
9:19 am

better baked goods for a better America!

Now you’re cookin’ with gas.

mm

September 25th, 2012
9:19 am

The US defense budget has tripled since 1997.

The US spends 58% of the defense money spent by the top 10 military powers.

The US outspends China on defense 6 to 1.

Enough is enough. This is purely corporate welfare.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:20 am

Instead of mindlessly warmongering for a decade, they should be working on peace.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
9:20 am

Yeah, because Pakistan has dropped how many of their nukes on India? Why are you begrudging the Iranian plutocratic theocracy for wanting a bigger, new saber to rattle? Let the Iranians deal with removal of the problem, they have to live there. Also, I would think that they would be highly susceptible to the resulting fall out. Who wants to live under a nuclear cloud?

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
9:21 am

USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 25th, 2012
9:16 am

Got my support! I’m a food coma too, don’t eat breakfast.
I go brunch everyday then another big snack around 3.

Don’t worry no need for a nap after 3 I can usually grind out the remainder of the day.

I assume you will also require Christmas lights to be taken down and/or turned off by Feb. as well

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 25th, 2012
9:22 am

A tough choice to be sure ………….. reminds one of 1939.

“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.” Author Unknown

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:22 am

“Who believes that eventually, we will have to confront Islam and the Muslim world?”

oh, FFS … what do you think we’ve been DOING since 1991

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
9:22 am

The two wars we had the last time the GOP was in didn’t work out so well. Elect Romney and we will have two more that will work out even worse. One with Iran and don’t know who the other will be with but the Neos will think of somebody.

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
9:24 am

reminds one of 1939.

_________

You can’t be serious.

b-troll

September 25th, 2012
9:24 am

” they should be working on peace.”

Obama tried that. Fail.

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
9:25 am

Enter your comments hereWho believes that eventually, we will have to confront Islam and the Muslim world?”

__________

An all out war against the Muslim world. I don’t think so. Sounds like insanity to me.

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
9:26 am

Obama tried that. Fail.

________

Pease work didn’t fail. We are not at war, are we. Then is has been successful.

Jay

September 25th, 2012
9:27 am

“labeling the death of ambassador a “bump in the road”

Except that he did not label the death of an ambassador as a bump in the road.

He said, on the topic of the Arab Spring:

“I think it was absolutely the right thing for us to do to align ourselves with democracy, universal rights, a notion that people have to be able to participate in their own governance. But I was pretty certain, and continue to be pretty certain, that there are going to be bumps in the road because in a lot of these places, the one organizing principle has been Islam.”

Show me the reference to our ambassador.

Aquagirl

September 25th, 2012
9:27 am

You can’t be serious.

Why not? It was the folks like 0311 who thought going to war with Iraq was a good idea because that was just like 1939.

I think they’re stuck in 1939 and seeing Hitler behind every tree.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
9:27 am

When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.” Author Unknown
.
.
.

Do you wonder sometimes why folks don’t want to take credit for what they say?

I suspect it’s because they said something stupid.

godless heathen

September 25th, 2012
9:28 am

So no answers to my question posed at 9:15?

My take is that in either case, if someone legally avoids the draft or someone chooses not to volunteer, they either feel that their efforts are best spent in other pursuits, or they are chicken-sheet.

So STFU about Romney being a “draft dodger”, unless you want to also chastise the President for not serving,

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
9:28 am

No more unfunded wars fought by the poorest from the states. Let the wealthiest fund and fight their own war for a change.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
9:28 am

Oscar, the other war Willard will be pushing is a government subsidized army of cult members on a “mission” to kill the memory of God and replace Him with Joseph Smith. Please see the “always be converting” intentions of the LDS, where it is considered “charity” to discriminate against everyone else.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
9:29 am

Author Unknown = Karl Rove Galley Slave

/drive-by

JDW

September 25th, 2012
9:30 am

The real question is the top line. If we are to commit to the statement, as it appears we will, that we will do all in our power to ensure that Iran does not possess a nuclear weapon then the options are narrowed.

We can, through sanctions and covert activity seek to force negotiation or change in Iran’s political structure. It is safe to assume that we have been and will continue to do this.

Problem is that I don’t think we will achieve success via this route before it is imperative that we act to achieve the top line goal.

So if we are committed to a nuclear free Iran we will be forced to act at some point. That brings the real debate to the choice…military action or Iran with nukes.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
9:30 am

………….. reminds one of 1939.

Yep, there were a lot of idiot chickenhawks standing around then too demanding war and in Germany, those warmongers elected a lunatic who made all sorts of pandering crazy promises that the conned believed. Surely, they thought there would be a etch-a-sketch moment, right?

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
9:30 am

So STFU about Romney being a “draft dodger”, unless you want to also chastise the President for not serving,

Mitt was a draft dodger! The shock! And all this time I thought he waged a valiant effort to keep the French away from the chateaus and bordeauxes back when we actually had a draft and draft dodgers.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
9:31 am

Peadawg — “Fine by me. Who do you have in mind besides Obama and Romney?”

On the Democratic side, someone like Mark Warner. Republicans should like him because he’s a millionaire businessman. :D

On the Republican side, I still like Buddy Roemer, but IMO he hasn’t got a chance in hell from the GOP movers and shakers.

F. Sinkwich

September 25th, 2012
9:31 am

“An all out war against the Muslim world.”

No big deal, just another bump in the road.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:32 am

godless,

I think our President is too young to dodge the draft for Vietnam.

mitt, not so much.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:32 am

scout,

It is 2012.

Mitt Romney's sons never served in the U.S. Armed Forces

September 25th, 2012
9:33 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL9F-dfPyD4&feature=related

on the otherhand, Mitt loves to talk military action!!

Thomas Heyward Jr

September 25th, 2012
9:34 am

Oscar, the other war Willard will be pushing is a government subsidized army of cult members on a “mission” to kill the memory of God and replace Him with Joseph Smith. Please see the “always be converting” intentions of the LDS, where it is considered “charity” to discriminate against everyone else.
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omg.
The JSA (Jo Smih Army) agin the FSA (Free shiat Army) .
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My money’s on……………………………………..the RPL(Ron Paul Liberation Army).

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:35 am

There is no war on Islam.

cons don’t tolerate that religion very well so they have much in common with the radical Islamists.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:36 am

“I think our President is too young to dodge the draft for Vietnam.

mitt, not so much.”

yep.

godless heathen

September 25th, 2012
9:36 am

Tax and get: President Obama did not volunteer for military service – legal. Romney took a legal deferment. What’s the difference?

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
9:37 am

So STFU about Romney being a “draft dodger”, unless you want to also chastise the President for not serving,

Almost all draft dodgers are Republican.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:37 am

Thomas,

ryan said if you vote Ron Paul you are reelecting our President.

I say vote Ron Paul .

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
9:38 am

Jay,
based upon the question asked of Obama in his bumps I the road assessment asked about the recent events.

So is it your argument Obama was not including the Ambassador assassination as a recent event or how do you separate the two?

Because I would consider the Killing of Ambassador Stevens as a recent event.
One could make an argument that it was the most important event recently.

This is the question asked of Obama by Steve Kroft.

Have the events in the middle east, the recent events in the middle east given you any pause in your support for the governments that have come to power following the Arab Spring?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
9:38 am

GETALIFE,

I disagree on BO’s failed foreign policy…

Heck, he promised (among others) that just his election would immediately improve our relations in the ME et al…the optics on this are horrid for him….the ME is on fire, Iran is closer to a nuke, IRAQ gave all oil rights to Russia and China, Afghanistan is returning to the Taliban…we are more loathed now than ever…despite his claim that our reputation would improve..

He got our of Iraq per Bush’s timetable…I just don’t see what is going well for him on this front to defend attacks (rightly or wrongly) with these issues that can be backed by pictures and quotes

And we love pictures..

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
9:39 am

“Almost all draft dodgers are Republican”

Baloney

godless heathen

September 25th, 2012
9:40 am

Almost all draft dodgers are Republican.

Source?

St Simons

September 25th, 2012
9:40 am

dude, if you don’t know the difference between deferment during a draft

and not choosing to serve during voluntary enlistment, well,

you’re about as informed as the rest of the poo-flinging cons here.

Thomas Heyward Jr

September 25th, 2012
9:40 am

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:37 am

Thomas,

ryan said if you vote Ron Paul you are reelecting our President.

I say vote Ron Paul .
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Only tools would care what Romney/Ryan said.
Or Biden/Obama/Clinton.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
9:41 am

JAY,

Protect him all you want but the optics are where he sh^t the bed…using bump in the road in any context to the ME is a big boner…

More meaningful fodder for GOP…that’s the net result..

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
9:41 am

Send all the chickenhawks children first.. hoorah!

Williebkind

September 25th, 2012
9:41 am

O.K., I do not want my kids to die for a liberal president either. So if we do not bomb Iran, what do you ingenius liberals have in mind? A mushroom cloud over New York? I am tired of hearing we are after foreign oil and I keep hearing everyday that we have enough energy in the US to last for 200 years. Do we pick and choose truths to get our political points or is that just a liberal/communist strategy?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:42 am

godless,

You lost that argument. mitt is a draft dodger.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
9:43 am

The Arab’s are to busy killing each other to worry about us . Just STFU you con war-mongering moochers..

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
9:44 am

How is what Romney did getting a deferment any different that what Clinton did in regards to the draft.

What both did was legal, maybe unethical.
But I think Clinton showed ethics are not a requirement to be a successful president

St Simons

September 25th, 2012
9:44 am

well, if you vote Republican, this is what you’re gonna get –

more debt, more war. Good thing ‘merka is waking up.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
9:45 am

“the ME is on fire” “mushroom cloud over NYC”

melodramatic clap trap typically over hyped during the “silly season”

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
9:45 am

williebkind — “So if we do not bomb Iran, what do you ingenius liberals have in mind? A mushroom cloud over New York?”

President Bush wound up letting North Korea get the bomb and they haven’t attacked anyone with it.

So what’s your point?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:45 am

Thomas,

So, if we listen to Ron Paul we are not tools?

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
9:46 am

USinUK,

Up to now, and since 1991, these have only been skirmishes, nothing more. I’m talking about major confrontation. Has it reached that point? We nearly ignore our ambassador and three other Americans being killed by a mob, totally sanctioned by the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood. We have sat idly by and watched Iran morph into much more of a threat than it was even 10 yrs ago. The Muslim world is getting more and more militant by the day. They seem to observe weakness in our leadership, for some reason. Do you think that they would even dream of treating the Russians like this?

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
9:46 am

Perpetual war is awesome as long as yoour not the one involved eh Cons?

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
9:47 am

We will be greeted as liberators.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:47 am

willie,

Good for you on some original thinking. Do you think Israel and Iran are both bluffing and playing politics for over a decade?

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
9:48 am

Does a person that defers on religious grounds have a basis for supporting war for others to fight. If you do not believe in fighting a war, how can you believe in others fighting your war for you.

clem

September 25th, 2012
9:49 am

doubt you’ll find any of mitt’s boys signing up for the military….must take after their father

St Simons

September 25th, 2012
9:49 am

Money-boo-boo was touring around on a bicycle in the south of France

(lawd, no – Frayaaance!) speaking French (noooo!) while ‘you people’

were serving. Know your place, ‘you people.’

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
9:49 am

K71 — “Up to now, and since 1991, these have only been skirmishes, nothing more. I’m talking about major confrontation.”

WTF do you think we were doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
9:50 am

Do you think that they would even dream of treating the Russians like this?

_____

You mean the Russians that were defeated and left Afghanstan. And the Russians that have been engaged in wars in adjoining states. Those Russians.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
9:50 am

GG – 9:45 – meh – melodramatic clap trap, full stop.

Jay

September 25th, 2012
9:50 am

It’s not a question of protecting him, Stevie Ray. It is a matter of basic fact that he did NOT refer to the death of our ambassador as a bump in the road.

The problem for conservatives is that reasonable people will look at what he actually said, and what you and others CLAIM he said, and conclude that you have no concern for truth and no credibility and thus dismiss whatever else you might say. What sells in the conservative echo chamber does not sell in the American mainstream.

yuzeyurbrane

September 25th, 2012
9:51 am

Jay, you do a good job of pointing out the dangers of action; but you gloss over the dangers of inaction. I would like to see a lengthier discussion of that aspect of this serious issue.

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
9:53 am

There are not any dangers to us of inaction. They will still sell us their oil and life will go on.

Barry Obama

September 25th, 2012
9:53 am

You can be rest assured that because of my special relationship with my Muslim brothers, the Middle East will soon be an oasis of peace and love.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
9:53 am

clem — “doubt you’ll find any of mitt’s boys signing up for the military….must take after their father”

Mitt actually said (during the 2008 campaign) that they were fulfulling their national service by helping him get elected. :roll:

Aquagirl

September 25th, 2012
9:53 am

If you do not believe in fighting a war, how can you believe in others fighting your war for you.

That’s the difference between Romney and Clinton. Romney was basically for the Viet Nam war….but not for him. Bill Clinton was opposed to anyone going to Viet Nam.

Cheering for wars when you’re not willing to fight them is loathsome. It’s also dangerous, Republicans don’t seem to get that and they love them some Chickenhawks.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

September 25th, 2012
9:53 am

worldaffairs.org – Nonprofit liberal think tank.
Way to present a non-partisan view. Israel needs to do what’s right for Israel after all they are under the greatest threat. If they feel the need to attack, then I support them. They know more about their region than anybody else. They knew it was al qaeda ON 9/11/2001 that attacked us. I remember reading the report on 9/11/2001.
I therefore trust Israel implicitly to make the right call. Arm chair generals do not know all the facts, Israel does.

The Thin Guy

September 25th, 2012
9:54 am

There are two non military options: 1. Give them the Norton antivirus. Within two weeks all of their computers will be reduced to sub Commodore 64s. 2. Have ØDumbø read his teleprompter over there. Within 6 months the entire region will erupt in a blood bath when they realize there is no American embassy to savage. They’ll have to settle for the Kenyan and Indonesian outposts.

Jay

September 25th, 2012
9:54 am

“We nearly ignore our ambassador and three other Americans being killed by a mob, totally sanctioned by the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

More absolute fantasy, conjured up to defend what cannot be defended through use of facts and logic.

Kayaker, show us where the murder of our ambassador was “totally sanctioned by the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.” Otherwise, you lie.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
9:55 am

BTW Thomas,

I guess I am not a tool because I do listen to all of them including Ron Paul.

“Money-boo-boo was touring around on a bicycle in the south of France

(lawd, no – Frayaaance!) speaking French (noooo!) while ‘you people’

were serving. Know your place, ‘you people.’”

Classic.

Better check on godless after that one.

You okay godless?

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
9:55 am

Since the topic of Mitt’s Vietnam era service has come up…

emphasis mine.

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But your Mormon faith has been a big part of your life. You were a bishop in the church, you were president of the Boston area parishes, you spent more than two years in France as a missionary and described it as a watershed experience. How so?

MR. ROMNEY: Oh, absolutely. It taught me that there is a great deal to life besides just what’s living in my little community back in Michigan. I was in a pampered home with great advantages. I went to France and lived on a far more modest, humble basis. We made about $100 a week, we drew out of our savings to live there. That was food, clothing, transportation, housing, the whole bit. And I recognized that the opportunities we have in this country are absolutely extraordinary.

In case you were wondering–median income for an adult male in 1968, according to Table P-5 of the Census report?

$5,980.

Meaning, poor Mitt had to scrape by on what amounted to 87% of the median income for a male individual in the US, in 1968.

(But we can’t talk about this because wealth envy, or something.)

waldo

September 25th, 2012
9:55 am

Wh says we would need to occupy them? We could crush them militarily and leave them to sort out the mess of their own making.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
9:57 am

GOP the party of IGNORANCE

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
9:57 am

Oh yeah, and you can bet Willard is going to double down on the war on taxes.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
9:57 am

Jay
September 25th, 2012
9:50 am

Would you consider the assassination of Ambassador Stevens a recent event in The middle east?

Because that was the question the bump in the road comment came from.

Our president made no indication he was separating the Stevens murder from other recent events.

So why should we all assume he was?

Could it be you made that separation, even though he didn’t specifically separate them, because you agree with him and see him through Ross colored glasses.

I mean it was you who asked if he specifically said Stevens was a bump in the road. Well he sure didn’t separate it from recent events specifically. So one would assume he is including it in recent events.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 25th, 2012
9:58 am

ryan said if you vote Ron Paul you are reelecting our President.

Well, I don’t know about you but I’m halfway thinking of writing in old Newt. If he’s good enough for a Conservative like Wingfield he’s good enough for me. Sure he’s got a bad case of Wandering Tallywacker, but heck, everybody’s got a few faults. It’s the thought that counts. Besides, Newt still sends me e-mails.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
9:58 am

What sells in the conservative echo chamber does not sell in the American mainstream.

Or “There’s a sucker born every minute” — David Hannum about PT Barnum

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
10:00 am

R. Convert — ” Sure he’s got a bad case of Wandering Tallywacker”

This is the most bizarre version of Blame The Victim I have ever seen. You leave that poor innocent tallywacker out of it.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
10:01 am

Aquagirl

September 25th, 2012
10:02 am

you agree with him and see him through Ross colored glasses.

Which are only $8.99, not the $24.99 you’d pay at a big department store.

mm

September 25th, 2012
10:03 am

Jay,

“What sells in the conservative echo chamber does not sell in the American mainstream.”

The cons are always making sh*t up, then patting themselves on the back thinking, “This will be the one that sinks Obama”.

Well, the jokes on the cons. Nobody believes this crap other than morons that call themselves republicans.

godless heathen

September 25th, 2012
10:03 am

None of you have successfully made the point that there is any difference between taking a legal deferment and failing to volunteer for service. It makes no difference what time or place the action occurs. Both are legal means of not putting on a uniform and I have no beef with either one.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
10:03 am

RC,

Good idea.

Vote Newt cons.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:05 am

JAY,

That’s politics of today…its like the poll question…those who think polls matter, will fight to the tooth to say the “my poll is bigger than yours”….

OBAMA the great campaigner is chief should know better to leave any room for mis-interpretation as the GOP, not unlike the DEMS will take soundbites and run down the field towards the endzone…

I think its’ irrelevant as i’m convinced all “likely voters” have already made up their minds and will subscribe to and defend to the point of anger whatever is said by their party..

And yes, you certainly are defending Obama..don’t you agree that he’d be better off had he used a better choice of words? The question was relative to those countries uprising in Arab springy thingy..many of these countries will turn out our enemies…kinda like Afghanistan and Iraq….and he mentioned “bump in the road”…

Looney Bin

September 25th, 2012
10:05 am

Give it a rest Marty – if you think President Obama feels the death of Americans in foreign lands is so trivial, come right out and make the claim. Otherwise all you’re doing is playing a boring game of semantics, hoping for a “gotcha” moment on a topic that deserves far deeper consideration.

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
10:06 am

Nothing that a good speech can’t fix

Dunwoody Granny

September 25th, 2012
10:06 am

USinUK, when you are elected by acclamation, would you please also use your mandate to change the national anthem? “America the Beautiful,” for instance, is lovely, has words people can understand and remember, isn’t set to a British drinking song, and has a melody that nearly anyone can sing.

I’m looking forward to naptime after you take office in January!

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
10:07 am

Aquagirl
September 25th, 2012
9:53 am

Mogadishu, Bosnia, Kosovo,
Yeah he was all about peace!

Also at his 1998 State if the Union address……….

“Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation’s wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them”

Him ad GWB and those WMDs

getalife

September 25th, 2012
10:08 am

godless,

There was a draft.

mitt went to France and lived off his “measly” savings of millions.

You lose.

I hear the women wear no pants in the South of France.

“Wandering Tallywacker” was the mitt.

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
10:10 am

godless – no difference

Whats funny is seeing people who have never served criticize those that never served for not serving

Jm

September 25th, 2012
10:10 am

“President Bush wound up letting North Korea get the bomb and they haven’t attacked anyone with it.”

A. Yes bush failure
B. At least someone has leverage over NK: China
C. No one has leverage over Iran

So nuclear Iran is a far riskier proposition.

Mick

September 25th, 2012
10:10 am

Geez…I wonder which president it was who by the law of unintended consequences strengthened iran’s postion in the middle east by taking out saddam hussein? We had saddam boxed in and he kept iran in check. The problem was shooting from the hip with no long term strategery in place, thanks dick cheney for working the “dark side, if you will”. It’s the blunder that that still haunts the world today…

curious

September 25th, 2012
10:11 am

I have little problem with draft dodgers that freely admit it; only problem I have is with draft dodgers beating their chest while advocating others go to war.

No counting the times I’ve listened to people wanting to “kick their butt” but have “more important” things to do.

If you aren’t ready to put up, you should shut up.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
10:11 am

Aquagirl
September 25th, 2012
10:02 am

That’s funny.

I didn’t see that. I’m blaming the auto spell thing on the iPhone.
But that was witty made me chuckle in line a Subway.
Now everyone is looking at me funny

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
10:15 am

Looney Bin
September 25th, 2012
10:05 am

Not exactly.

The level of specifically what was said was brought up. Was the Stevens assasination a recent event in the middle east?
Did he make a distinction?

It was a bad political answer he is usually a better politician than that.

Partisay

September 25th, 2012
10:16 am

Stevie Ray – Noted…but was he campaigning in Vegas while the ME is on fire?

Does he expect Obama to stop campaigning because of riots in the ME? With that logic, he must have been VERY disappointed in Bush when he was out trying to get elected while we had 2 wars going on. What childish whining.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
10:16 am

Whats funny is seeing people who have never served criticize those that never served for not serving

No. What’s funny is Mitt’s jet aircraft design.

Grasshopper

September 25th, 2012
10:17 am

Who knew there were so many Iranian policy experts in the ATL?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:17 am

MM,

And all the morons who want to re-elect this guy apparently overlook the fact that BO is making the same promises he failed to deliver on in 2008…DEMS like GOPs will defend even the flatulence of their candidates…

Individuals are not better off (the country collectively can be argued we are pointing to metrics…but that in no way is meaningful to the 15% out or work or underemployed on an individual basis…

End lobbyist controling DC, cutting deficit, global immigration reform (on first day of office I believe), ending gridlock in DC, hope and change (now he is telling us DC needs to be fixed by us..the outside…I thougth we provided the Hope and he provided the Change) business goes on a usual..

You can squalk all you want about how he was sabotaged etcetera, but he made these promises none of which he can keep…

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
10:17 am

Jm — “A. Yes bush failure”

Your concession is noted and appreciated.

And if you’re predicating our national defense strategy in Asia on China helping us out and watching out for our interests, then I can’t help you.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
10:17 am

Tony Blair: America needs to stop wanting to be loved and get down to business

Amen

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
10:19 am

TaxPayer
September 25th, 2012
10:16 am

What’s the problem?

George Jetson used to roll his window down all the time and nothing had happened!

I think he even had it down on his flight to work in the opening credits.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:20 am

PARTISAY,

So your argument is that because Bush did it, it’s ok for Obama to do it? Ergo, is he becoming Bush? At least those idiotic wars were in progress and no need for policy to come from our leader in WH…he could arguable get more votes by saying I can’t leave the WH now….after all, the only folks that go the his rallies et al are those whose vote he already possesses.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
10:20 am

Tony Blair: ME experiencing “growing pains”

Amen

Jm

September 25th, 2012
10:21 am

Blair: ” people need it to be strong…. Don’t worry so much about being loved. Just be strong.”

Jm

September 25th, 2012
10:23 am

Jhm 10:17

Re china, I’m suggesting nothing of the sort

haroldburbank

September 25th, 2012
10:23 am

if politics sere a sane, legal, moral or even good business we never would have attacked iraq or afghanistan, which by the way our grandkids will pay for too.

this report is specious. it ignores completely the interests of russia and china, which would surely enter any war after even 1 attack on iran, setting off ww 3. the fact that this study group did not address a ww 3 scenario based on an iran attack is astounding, given that commanders worldwide talk about this prospect constantly. yes, some of us are reading all of the reports on these matters.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
10:24 am

Individuals are not better off

I’m better off. Perhaps you have a broken boot strap.

massachusetts refugee

September 25th, 2012
10:25 am

does the iranian leadership truly believe the west would not reduce iran to glass if they were to actually lob a nuke at israel?

Jm

September 25th, 2012
10:25 am

Obama jet aircraft: 100% debt financed

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:26 am

JOE,

How can one successfully argue that BO is not a failure as well..I don’t know why anyone would want that job now…no “success” in sight..the deficit will continue it’s meteoric rise, unemployment will not move for as long as 10 years, macro foreign policy will continue to fail in the ME as they have to sort things out themselves, DC will continue to be controled by lobbyist, the one who spends the most money will still win 94% of elections..and so on…

I may be good for BO to get re-elected with DEM control of both houses,,,,it would be bad for the country but would definitely underscore our government that is failing us miserably..

I think it may be better if Romney wins and the DEMS control both houses as I see him being more capable taking a more moderate approach that Bo

Williebkind

September 25th, 2012
10:26 am

“President Bush wound up letting North Korea get the bomb and they haven’t attacked anyone with it.

So what’s your point?

South Korea–It is south of North Korea.

mm

September 25th, 2012
10:27 am

Stevie Ray,

“You can squalk all you want about how he was sabotaged etcetera, but he made these promises none of which he can keep…”

Cry me a river. Every president has made promises he couldn’t keep.

I’ll vote for Obama. You can vote for Mitt. You still lose. In the unlikely event Mitt’s elected, we all lose.

massachusetts refugee

September 25th, 2012
10:27 am

p.s. MAD works.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
10:28 am

Mitt: I don’t know why they don’t have screen doors on submarines.

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
10:29 am

Tony Blair: America needs to stop wanting to be loved and get down to business (Jm)

You know the party that Tony Blair belongs to, don’t you Jm?

I’m amused at how easily our usual right wing suspects here shower approval on what are supposed to be lefty politicians. Tony Blair and Rahm Emanuel in the space of just a week or so. What next, kind words for a Clinton?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:29 am

TAXPAYER,

Good for you….too bad the 15% of those not satisfied with working at starbucks, graduating college, or unemployed can’t say the same…all the while, BO is trying to tell them they are better off…

What does Sheets mean?

Sagegirl

September 25th, 2012
10:29 am

Mitt Romney wonder’s why airplane windows won’t roll down…

“I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don’t think she knows just how worried some of us were,” Romney told the paper. “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly.”

Romney said the biggest problem in a distressed aircraft is that “the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous.”

Dear Lord. A quick prayer. Please don’t let Mitt win the presidency, or take over ANY airline. Thanks!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/mitt-romney-airplane-windows_n_1910930.html

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
10:29 am

Wall Street’s failure: 100% debt financed housing packaged and sold off as AAA-rated securities.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
10:29 am

You can squalk all you want about how he was sabotaged etcetera, but he made these promises none of which he can keep

So the answer is elect another guy who is making promises that we know he can’t keep…. not the guy who tried to keep his promises but was blocked. :roll:

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:31 am

MM,

I am in no way or shape emotional about these issues so crying is not an option on my end. Why don’t you comment on the crux of my posted and tell me those promises were kept and/or he will make good on same.

I’m independent with Libertarian leanings…I can’t and likely vote for either…don’t put me in either bucket thank you very much..

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
10:32 am

Iran is actively seeking the nuclear bomb and the destruction of Israel.
This combination will not
be allowed to continue by
Israel or their ally the USA.
Just a matter of time.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
10:32 am

Stevie Ray,

Perhaps you could donate some of your extra sets of boot straps to those 15% that you claim are not better off. Better yet, you could inquire as to the progress the Republicans have made since their 2010 job campaign on creating jobs.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
10:34 am

Jm — “Re china, I’m suggesting nothing of the sort”

Then what *are* you suggesting?

You appear to be excusing our failure to prevent North Korea from getting the bomb by saying that China will exert pressure on them to refrain from using it.

FFS, do you think that if North Korea and Japan get froggy with each other, that China will tell the Norks to cool it?

GT

September 25th, 2012
10:34 am

As much as we, as a nation, denigrate the European nations, there has got to be some respect given. We live next to a protective ocean, they bump up right next to the problem. We in our security are judgemental of them who have very little security. I believe humans are humans, and the same conditions will produce the same results no matter the subject matter. The US will start being more like the European in attitude because the stakes are starting to be the same. We are reachable by our enemies, we are broke, so we are force to live like equals with the world. I once thought we had a moral advantage, character, and I do see it returning with Obama. People need to look to us for justice and an even hand, the right thinks this is socialism, the left is just being pragmatic. The one answer to this problem the study did not bring up is to just nuke the entire region. We could kill off any enemy now that has nuclear capacity, evenually someone will see that as the answer of getting rid of us, but either way that is the other direction we can travel.

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
10:34 am

“I’ve now been in 57 states? I think 1 left to go”

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 25th, 2012
10:34 am

KEEP,

He could have kept his promises if he had any political leadership skills…and BTW, he is the one who originally shunned the GOP when they presented him a proposal that among other things, included reducing the lower tax brackets, and ending the taxation of unemployment payments…but Obama in all his arrogance, stated, “we won, you lost….”

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
10:35 am

williebkind — “South Korea–It is south of North Korea.”

Speak plainly, man. Once again, what’s your point?

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
10:37 am

Another word on Tony Blair.

Fast forward 6-8 years. I would bet you money that some of these people here who regularly spout the most unhinged hysteria about the current president will happily shower the same man with approval when he’s no longer president and a new bogeyman or woman has taken his place as the great satan and the latest object of hate in the Limbaugh and FOX News fever swamp.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
10:40 am

He could have kept his promises if he had any political leadership skills…

Stevie, you are just posting conned talking nonsense point without thought or depth.

BTW, he is the one who originally shunned the GOP when they presented him a proposal that among other things, included reducing the lower tax brackets, and ending the taxation of unemployment payments…but Obama in all his arrogance, stated, “we won, you lost

Oy vey, the revision of history nonsense you post…..what garbage. But your GOP party acting like children is acceptable because you now claim “Obama hurt our wittle feelings” :roll:

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
10:42 am

“USinUK, when you are elected by acclamation, would you please also use your mandate to change the national anthem? “America the Beautiful,” for instance, is lovely, has words people can understand and remember, isn’t set to a British drinking song, and has a melody that nearly anyone can sing.”

I can totally do that! I always did like the imagery of “Amber Waves of Grain”

(although, I’d love to do “City of New Orleans” just because I always loved that song)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
10:43 am

BTW – if DDR shows up today, here’s the marinade recipe I promised:

http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/simple-chinese-marinade/

St Simons

September 25th, 2012
10:44 am

“I’m independent with Libertarian leanings…”

I was ashamed of being a Republican, too, Stevie –
voting for Reagan is still I believe the greatest mistake in my life.
but you have to admit you have a problem before
you can proceed to the “Inspiration” stage.
(believe me, mrsstsimons does this all day)

she’s starting a Republicans Anon at the hosp this December
its gonna be a tough transition for you guys,
but we’re here to help.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
10:44 am

Off Topic…..Sort of

“Republican icon Ronald Reagan skipped his intelligence briefings 99 percent of the time.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/24/898081/kessler-thiessen-intel-breifing-bogus-misleading/

Say it ain’t so!

Woodstock Mike

September 25th, 2012
10:47 am

So Jay, you believe that it’s worth the risk of allowing Iran to develop a nuclear arsenal and for terrorists to get their hands on nuclear weapons. You believe it’s worth risking hundreds of thousands of American lives in hope that Iran doesn’t use nuclear weapons. The IAEA has even came out and clearly stated that Iran is being dishonest about their nuclear intentions.

Wildwood

September 25th, 2012
10:48 am

Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are free. I am taping the View on a daily basis to keep up with our current international policy. Very telling stat is the President has done close to 300 fund raisers over the last 3+ years equaling the combined total of W and Clinton. Of course the defenders of the indefensible will say “but he is connected” when you don’t have facts supporting just make up cute sayings and titles

St Simons

September 25th, 2012
10:49 am

that was meant to be humorous, I like Stevie

Woodstock Mike

September 25th, 2012
10:49 am

“I was ashamed of being a Republican, too, Stevie –
voting for Reagan is still I believe the greatest mistake in my life.
but you have to admit you have a problem before
you can proceed to the “Inspiration” stage.
(believe me, mrsstsimons does this all day)”

Oh yeah, Ronald Reagan destroyed our country!! LOL

This St. Simons guy is a wacko.

It’s incredible how people actually hate others because they vote a certain way politically. So much more to life than politics.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
10:54 am

Godless heathen: Did you come from a politically connected cult family? If you merely stated that you were a plain old Christian and you did not believe in murder, would that get you a deferment, let alone 5 more? You STFU! Every man in my family has served this country, they fought, they bled. They carry the wounds and echoes for the rest of their lives! They did not p**sy out and hide behind some cult where anyone willing to anoint Joseph Smith as the world’s savior can also claim to be a bishop or a priest.

Funny, most bishops and priests I know actually have knowledge about world theology and their own role of divinity. They have years of education and doctorates to prove their meddle. Willard had nothing of the sort.

So, without his father and his cult, does Willard get those deferments? NO! He is a p**sy who profits off of the destruction of average people’s lives. What’s more is he is also collecting large sums of government money for his cronies at Bain Capital, where two whole success stories have emerged during nearly 40 years of operation. A whopping two doctored tax returns? I know you can’t see that, your view is obstructed due to the fact you’ve got your head Willard’s a*s.

I wish people like you and Willard actually had the guts to back up all that tough talk. If you and Willard want to invade Iran so bad, you can convince him to pull out some of that offshore billions money and buy his own damn army. I’m sure all of those brave cult members will be dying to join you.

Sorry for the language, Jay. I can’t stand pansies trying to represent those who are willing to serve and die for this country.

gh- Why don’t you take your fake religion and your plutocratic pansy traitor, and pimp your lies someplace else? We along with virtually every other educated and rational American have had enough!

I dare the two of you to come on my property. We’ll see just how “brave” you and Willard are. That is no threat, it is a true fact of life!

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
10:55 am

The Republican Party since
2010 has been almost
treasonous in actions to
thwart the legitimate
governance of the USA.
This should not be tolerated
by voters.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
10:55 am

“Oh yeah, Ronald Reagan destroyed our country!”

:lol:

I just looooooove how the right wing worships at the feet of Uncle Ronnie … if he were in office today, they’d be hollering for his head and calling him a RINO

Jm

September 25th, 2012
10:55 am

Jhm 10:34

I was Pointing out there are avenues of leverage available for NK that are not for Iran

NK is beholden to china and we can lean on China

Iran is beholden to no one

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
10:55 am

Bookman,

Tired of being called a liar….. even by our host. It’s bad enough that your sheep get away with it. That’s below even you. And do you believe, in your wildest dreams, that anything that happens in a Muslim controlled country is not given the OK by it’s leadership? There is NOTHING that happens there that does not get approval from higher ups. Nothing. That’s why a missile up the arse of that thug from Egypt might help to solve the problem. Worked with Ghadaffi.

Woodstock Mike

September 25th, 2012
10:56 am

I get a kick out of this new Obama commercial!! It says with real sad music and a deep voice narrating that “Mitt Romney paid 14% in federal income taxes.” UMMMM?? Yeah, that’s what he was supposed to pay. As if he didn’t pay exactly what he was legally bound to. It’s so funny, I work in finance/accounting and believe me no matter what political affiliation people are they do everything possible to pay the least amount of income taxes. What a bunch of nonsense.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
10:56 am

“Independent with libertarian leanings” translates to “Log Cabin Republican ashamed of W”

curious

September 25th, 2012
10:59 am

Any non-whiners here?

No excuse for not having a job.

Have any of our “intelligence” briefings been right lately?

We seemed to have blown it about Hussein and look where we are now.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
11:00 am

I work in finance/accounting and believe me no matter what political affiliation people are they do everything possible to pay the least amount of income taxes.

Poor woodystock mike is going to be soooo upset when he finds out Mitt paid more than legally required.

Of course, there is always that committee work on Marriott’s tax fraud….

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
11:01 am

Neocons are incapable of learning from their mistakes.

These cowards are the same ones who have been insisting for 60 years that the red Chinese were gonna nuke us and that the Domino Theory was not a table game.

THEN, the (W)orst ever lied to get his modern day Crusades (his word) going.

These PNAC stooges CANNOT BE TRUSTED. Not with the lives and futures of our children.

And their unprincipled, spineless candidate is merely more evidence…

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
11:02 am

Jm — “I was Pointing out there are avenues of leverage available for NK that are not for Iran

NK is beholden to china and we can lean on China”

I think you overestimate the likelihood that China will take direction from us with respect to North Korea.

“Iran is beholden to no one”

I doubt very seriously that Iran wants a broad Middle Eastern war. If they start one (or respond to another country in a way that starts one), their economy shuts down. They won’t be able to ship war materiel in and the sure won’t be able to fulfill petroleum sales contracts by shipping oil out of the Persian Gulf in tankers.

I think that the Iranians are trying very hard to become *the* regional power in the middle east and in south Asia, but it’s a very tricky business and they stand to lose a lot more than they stand to gain if they screw it up.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:03 am

Just an observation.

Back when I first gained the ability to vote I found Republicans very uninclusive.
Any who differed from the party li e or sime disagreed were cast as liberals or democras or RINOs.
This was from republican voters.

It seems as if now the tide has shifted and it is the democrats who cast everyone who disagree with anything they say as a republican or a con. Even when the person they are labeling a republican has named themselves to be independent.

I

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:03 am

“I get a kick out of this new Obama commercial!! It says with real sad music and a deep voice narrating that “Mitt Romney paid 14% in federal income taxes.” UMMMM?? Yeah, that’s what he was supposed to pay. As if he didn’t pay exactly what he was legally bound to. It’s so funny, I work in finance/accounting and believe me no matter what political affiliation people are they do everything possible to pay the least amount of income taxes. What a bunch of nonsense.”

Yes it’s sad that the dems seem to be sinking to the level of Rush, Sean, Neil, etc. BTW- I appreciate the way you call THEM out when they pull that stuff.

What? You don’t? Never mind, then.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
11:04 am

Mike — ” I work in finance/accounting”

Mike from Accountemps? :D

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:04 am

“And do you believe, in your wildest dreams, that anything that happens in a Muslim controlled country is not given the OK by it’s leadership?”

shorter: “nope. I got nuttin”

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
11:05 am

rom the AJC… “MARTA is spending $50 million above the national average for employee benefits, but if it revamped its health care, retirement and worker compensation plans, it could erase a projected $33 million operating deficit, an audit released Monday reveals.”

And you wonder why we call it a jobs program and want no part of it with it’s current management.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
11:05 am

The most reliable approach I know to avoid being called a liar is to not tell a lie.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:06 am

““Mitt Romney paid 14% in federal income taxes.” UMMMM?? Yeah, that’s what he was supposed to pay”

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the point just went whistling over your head.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:06 am

RB – could you put an “off-topic” warning on you posts, please? :)

mm

September 25th, 2012
11:09 am

Stevie Ray,

“I’m independent with Libertarian leanings…I can’t and likely vote for either…don’t put me in either bucket thank you very much..”

You continually bash Obama and trot out debunked rightwing talking points. You cover for Romney’s lies and flip-flops. The man has no morals, no compassion, and most of all, no integrity.

curious

September 25th, 2012
11:09 am

Romney paid more than legally rrequired so he could say never paid less than 13-14%.

His returns before 2010 will tell another story.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
11:09 am

Real independents need to realize that wing-nuts are ashamed of W and Willard, as they should be. That’s why you see so many “libertarians” these days. They are nothing more than closet Republicans. That’s why there is always an (R) instead of an (L) next to their candidate of choice. For a clearer definition, see Ron Paul, if you like reading about moon bats.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
11:11 am

Republicans that actually think country first know mitt is reckless and dangerous because of his outbursts after the embassy attacks.

I welcome them to vote for President Obama.

We know it is a horrible time to change leadership to a rookie with failed neocons advising him.

Read my lips, no more failed occupations or economic collapses.

Four more years!

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
11:11 am

Mitt hides his money overseas.

He has helped send countless American jobs overseas.

To be sure, LOTS of fat cats do.

It is time – WAY PAST TIME – to call these plutocrats out for their anti-American actions.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:12 am

Jay’s “The problem for conservatives is that reasonable people will look at what he actually said, and what you and others CLAIM he said, and conclude that you have no concern for truth and no credibility and thus dismiss whatever else you might say. What sells in the conservative echo chamber does not sell in the American mainstream.”

On a larger scale, that’s the problem with the Republican brand in this election.

morning, stands for decibels

“Meaning, poor Mitt had to scrape by on what amounted to 87% of the median income for a male individual in the US, in 1968.

(But we can’t talk about this because wealth envy, or something.)”

I believe there’s a bit of an apples and oranges in comparing US median incomes with living costs in metropolitan areas of France.Looked at a few sources, generally speaking, French median income was significantly lower than US. I think what’s more telling are the conditions. This from a guy who served with him:

“Romney moved into the fourth-floor walkup apartment that he would share for months with Hansen and two other young missionaries. The toilet, shared with two other apartments, was across the hall. The “shower” consisted of four hooks on which they would hang a plastic curtain to direct water from an overhead spray into a small tub. “When the tub was full, your shower was over,” Hansen said.
They had a small kitchen, about 4 feet by 12 feet, with a hot plate, but no refrigerator; they shopped for food each day and took turns cooking a week at a time. …”

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2012/may/27/romneys-mormon-mission-partner-recalls-time-paris/

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:12 am

Marty – 11:03 – with all due respect – what you’re complaining about has nothing to do with inclusiveness.

if a REPUBLICAN complains about another REPUBLICAN and calls them a RINO, then that is a shrinking of the tent / purity test.

if a DEMOCRAT complains about a self-described INDEPENDENT, then that person isn’t TRYING to belong

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
11:12 am

From the AJC…”The audit said that, in addition to the labor and retirement savings, the authority could save between $60 million and $142 million over five years by outsourcing many functions. ”

Translated, hire people who lose their job if they don’t show up and do it.

zeke

September 25th, 2012
11:12 am

Face it leftist and liberals! Your Obozo IS AN EMPTY SUIT! He had no experience when you elected him! He has never had a REAL job! No, socialist community organizer is not a real job! He was indoctrinated from birth on the bad bad United States! He was further indoctrinated by Ayers, Wright and others! He idolizes Mao, Castro, Chavez and probably every other scum socialist tyrant! And no, our national security is definitely not in good hands as long as he and his moronic administration are in office! HE MUST GO NOW!

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
11:14 am

Would someone tell zeke that McCarthyism died a shameful and horrific death sixty years ago?

Thank you…

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:15 am

“He has never had a REAL job! ”

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I stopped reading.

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
11:16 am

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
11:17 am

zeke 11:12.

Obviously the 3rd period bell still hasn’t rung, signalling an end to break yet.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:17 am

Gravy Train
September 25th, 2012
11:09 am

But how do you know which is which. I see your accusations but I am curious as to which crystal ball you are currently using.
Especially when someone says they are an independent or a libertarian, the. You call them a liar and tell them they are wrong that they are just faking because they are embarrassed by W.

I’ve been accused of being a republican on this site many times. Only problem is I have voted for a republican once ever in a national election.

But I guess it’s easier to label those you disagree with than to have factual discussion and debate.

double

September 25th, 2012
11:17 am

You can thank Gw for not having Jeb running for president today.Re election that is.Iran would be colored red,but not from paint.

Holy Moly!

September 25th, 2012
11:19 am

JM – we cannot lean on China anymore. Unless you haven’t noticed, China owns our debt. Before Clinton was elected (I know I’m dating myself), there were rumors about China becoming the next world leader, that time is getting closer and closer. It isn’t as much to do with policy as to do with sheer numbers. Just this a.m., NPR did a story on China and how ten years ago we could go over there and dominate. Now, the Americans living there say China looks at our recent financial strain and credits that to the weakness the US has. Their intrepretation is capitalism doesn’t work quite as well as we scream about. so don’t go thinking we can bully ourselves around China just yet.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:19 am

kayaker

“Tired of being called a liar….. even by our host. It’s bad enough that your sheep get away with it. That’s below even you.”

Jay: “We nearly ignore our ambassador and three other Americans being killed by a mob, totally sanctioned by the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

More absolute fantasy, conjured up to defend what cannot be defended through use of facts and logic.

Kayaker, show us where the murder of our ambassador was “totally sanctioned by the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.” Otherwise, you lie.”

“Then may I suggest you respond to Jay’s post and show him the error of his ways?”

No where in your response did I see a cite to the Muslim Brotherhood.

If you got that from a talk radio guy, that’s fine, just reference it.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:20 am

getalife
September 25th, 2012
11:11 am

I thought Obama said Afghanistan was the right war. He took ownership of that war. Why would you only blame one side for failed occupations? Or has Afghanistan became a success story?

Do you even attempt to look at things objectively, or are you really that jaded?

curious

September 25th, 2012
11:21 am

While Romney was having a hard time in Paris, I was living on the first floor of a 2 story WW2 barracks for 2 months (basic training) with 45-50 of my best buddies, no kitchen, no fridge, nice bathroom with 8 commodes and 6 or so shower heads (no plastic curtain) that I shared with my aforementioned best buddies along with about 50 more strangers from upstairs.

At least we didn’t have to shop for food and KP was only a day at a time. The pay was pretty good, too; ~ $ 90 per month.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:22 am

“If you got that from a talk radio guy, that’s fine, just reference it.”

But we’d all still laugh…

Joel Edge

September 25th, 2012
11:22 am

Here’s a thought, place a couple of divisions in Israel, dig up all the old Pershing II’s, put them in cache sites in Israel like we did in Germany, rotate the divisions out on a yearly basis, tell Iran to suck wind.

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
11:23 am

Anyone who doesn’t think
money runs this country
should be watching the
View with both the President
and First Lady they cut to
a commercial.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:23 am

zeke
September 25th, 2012
11:12 am

What experience does Romney have that Obama does not?

Obama has been a lawyer before if I am not mistaken.

I happen to know a couple of lawyers and I’m betting they would disagree with you saying they e never held a real job.
The ones I know work about 60 hrs a week.

Throwing out talking points just makes it so people tune you out. There are other ways to get ones point across besides parroting what they have heard pundits say.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:24 am

Back on subject for all the bloggers who want to attack Iran:

- Has Iran attacked us?

- Does a situation exist where we would follow treaty obligations to go to war?

Two simple questions with two simple answers.

Completely avoided and answered with ‘yeah, well… what if they did THIS? or THAT? HUH??????”

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
11:26 am

Holy Moly

FYI

China owns approximately 8% of our debt.

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
11:26 am

From the AJC… “Moreover, the report said, the high rate of employee absenteeism cost MARTA about $11 million a year, while worker compensation claims were costing $5.5 million more than the national average.”

WOW!!! At around 4,500 employees and $30/hr, that’s almost 2 full weeks of absenteeism for every last one of them. If you assume half of their employees aren’t scamming this jobs program, the other half is taking a paid month off every year AND KEEPING THEIR JOB. And you wonder why nobody want’s any part of this sorry excuse for a transit system.

And WC is $5.5MM more than the average??? WOW!!!

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:26 am

curious

And as someone else pointed out, Clinton was living an idyllic life in Oxford.

So what’s your point, again?

MountainMan

September 25th, 2012
11:27 am

The simple solution is to move Israel. Carve out an area in south Arizona and New Mexico on the border with Mexico and move the country there. Make Jerusalem and Bethlehem international religious cities not controlled by any country. This will solve the immigration problem on the border because Israel will not allow anybody to cross their country to get to the U.S.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:28 am

poor RB … having a conversation all by his lonesome … talk about Billy No Mates.

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
11:29 am

Paul
Another question,
Do the words and actions
of Iran indicate they will
attack us or our allies and
if so should we wait for the
attack or strike preemptively.

curious

September 25th, 2012
11:31 am

Point is;

Romney and his supporters try to insinuate his time in Paris was a real personal sacrifice.

Can’t say if Clinton,or his supporters, ever did the same about his time in Oxford.

But, what’s your point?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
11:31 am

And WC is $5.5MM more than the average??? WOW!!!

Because everyone should be at average? No need for analysis of what those claims may consist of or why? What may be skewing the amounts? ….. if posting without thought were a crime, RB would be in jail today. :D

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:34 am

“The simple solution is to move Israel. Carve out an area in south Arizona and New Mexico on the border with Mexico and move the country there. Make Jerusalem and Bethlehem international religious cities not controlled by any country. This will solve the immigration problem on the border because Israel will not allow anybody to cross their country to get to the U.S.”

Brilliant!

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
11:35 am

zeke said: Face it leftist and liberals! Your Obozo IS AN EMPTY SUIT! He had no experience when you elected him! He has never had a REAL job! No, socialist community organizer is not a real job! He was indoctrinated from birth on the bad bad United States! He was further indoctrinated by Ayers, Wright and others! He idolizes Mao, Castro, Chavez and probably every other scum socialist tyrant! And no, our national security is definitely not in good hands as long as he and his moronic administration are in office! HE MUST GO NOW!

Congratulations, zeke! You have been selected to be the example of the xenophobic paranoia that has killed the GOP. Be very proud!

the cat

September 25th, 2012
11:35 am

Whatever happened to Ben Shockley? Is he driving a MARTA bus now?

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:35 am

“poor RB … having a conversation all by his lonesome … talk about Billy No Mates”

He’ll declare victory and go away shortly…

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:35 am

Paul
September 25th, 2012
11:26 am

Well duh, one is a republican and the other a democrat.
Have you not figured out yet here it’s not your actions that determine anything, it’s your party affiliation.

On topic about Iran. They have done nothing as of yet to provoke war. They must have an eye kept on them and at this point I feel they have shown they have no interest in negotiations or following the rules of the world. Thus I do feel we should discontinue negotiations with them as it has proven a waste of time.

However it is a sticky situation. And if one wants to use the financial results of a war with Iran then one should also discuss the financial cost of no war, providing Iran does what it has said it would do for years.

I don’t know which is the correct path, not sure if there is a single path.

I do wish some of our ME policy experts would get off their computer and put in their resume to Washington.
To think we are wasting all these policy experts mind here on ole Jay’s blog.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:37 am

barking frog

Any reason you didn’t answer the questions before going to your own?

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:39 am

“He’ll declare victory and go away shortly…”

:lol:

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:40 am

curious

Many here use his service to label him a draft dodger. I thought that was your point.

I’d say living in those conditions as a young man is,in fact, an example of sacrifice. Others don’t. It’s just a difference of opinion.

But my main point is, it’s a nice little discussion piece but it doesn’t mean squat as far as this election is concerned.

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
11:40 am

“Any reason you didn’t answer the questions before going to your own?”

He’s ignoring them…hoping they’ll go away?

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
11:42 am

Marty, I am not calling you a Republican. I am merely pointing to the fact that the population of “independents” and “libertarians” has seemingly quadrupled since W left office. Many of those people are closeted Republicans that are just too ashamed and embarrassed to admit it. On the other side of the coin, I know many people who allow others to assume they are Republican, just for the sake of harmony in their workplace. Unfortunately, there are still many paranoid xenophobic troglodytes who will stop at nothing to badger and harass those they fear. See Lil’ Barry, Linda and zeke for examples of what I mean.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
11:44 am

Jhm

“I think that the Iranians are trying very hard to become *the* regional power in the middle east and in south Asia, but it’s a very tricky business and they stand to lose a lot more than they stand to gain if they screw it up.”

I’m not ok with a nuclear Iran, period.

A country that repeatedly states that it’s goal is to wipe another off the map and calls another the great Satan has no business having nuclear weapons. Period.

We’re not talking about Judy Garland having nukes.

We’re talking about people who engage in terrorism, and want to annihilate other countries.

It is unacceptable.

Holy Moly!

September 25th, 2012
11:46 am

GG – I stand corrected, it is only 8%. They are the largest owner of all foreign countries. The point I was trying (but failed) to make is the US better be real careful before they start pushing China around. Our military might is a gazillon times stronger but it weakens with conflicts being born from saber rattling and “cowboy” mentality. Thanks for the correction though. :)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:46 am

“We’re not talking about Judy Garland having nukes.”

although, that WOULD have taken care of the flying monkey issue …

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
11:46 am

Garvy Trained – Many of those people are closeted Republicans that are just too ashamed and embarrassed to admit it.

Or they feel like the party left them…no shame involved, and who’s to say there aren’t some former D’s in the mix for the same reasons.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
11:46 am

J. Edge — “Here’s a thought, place a couple of divisions in Israel, dig up all the old Pershing II’s, put them in cache sites in Israel like we did in Germany, rotate the divisions out on a yearly basis, tell Iran to suck wind.”

The reason we *don’t* do that is so that at least some Middle Eastern nations will listen to what we have to say. If we put troops on Israeli soil with the express mission of protecting Israel and away goes that patina of impartiality.

The closest troops we have in the area are the ones working the Sinai MFO mission between Israel and Egypt, and IMO that’s as close as they should be.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:47 am

Gravy Train
September 25th, 2012
11:42 am

My apologies I was not intending to say you were calling ME a republican. Just threw my own personal experience as evidence to support my earlier post.

Like I said in my original post about the matter I listed it as an observation.

I’ll bet if we all quite labeling those with whom we disagree we would get a lot more done together as a nation. But that doesn’t profit some as ameans to bolster their argument or to simply gain a political office.

Holy Moly!

September 25th, 2012
11:47 am

So JM – what are you advocating the country do about Iran? We don’t like the idea of them having nukes, we don’t like the idea N. Korea has come this far, but what do you think should be done?

Jm

September 25th, 2012
11:47 am

Rb

The Marta fiasco is a disaster

Until that is cleaned up, atlantans are rightly skeptical

Hopefully the new CEO will clean house

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:47 am

“We’re not talking about Judy Garland having nukes”

Thank g-d – can you just imagine the horror! :D

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:49 am

BTW – USinUk,

I totally support your bid for office. But Rush is already criticising your “flip-flop” on nap times…

Jm

September 25th, 2012
11:50 am

Holy Moly

Recognizing the probable conflagration, I think we have to bomb their nuclear facilities

It is not unprecedented

No fly zone over Iran too.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:50 am

Mary Huggins’

“I do wish some of our ME policy experts would get off their computer and put in their resume to Washington.
To think we are wasting all these policy experts mind here on ole Jay’s blog.”

:-)

everything I’ve read indicates the latest round of targeted financial sanctions is having quite an impact. Some European countries do, in fact, face greater exposure on this than we do and are better with following the current route.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
11:51 am

Marty,

The USSR collapsed after their Afghanistan war.

He ended both failed w occupations so we don’t collapse.

Iraq and Afghanistan will not be our allies but it was great military industrial complex welfare.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:51 am

Regnad Kcin
September 25th, 2012
11:49 am

It wasn’t a flip flop it was a simple Waiver for me and maybe some other.

Damn talk radio!

moonbat betty

September 25th, 2012
11:51 am

Obama’s magic 8 ball:

Not to worry – France will take care of ‘em.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:51 am

“Thank g-d – can you just imagine the horror! ”

clang – clang – clang went the trolley …

ding – ding – ding went the bell …

zing – zing – zing went my heartstrings …

from the moment I saw him I BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:52 am

Jm

“I’m not ok with a nuclear Iran, period.”

“It is unacceptable.”

I really like it when you quote President Obama. That’s a refreshing side of you!

moonbat betty

September 25th, 2012
11:52 am

maybe we can install MARTA’s leadership in Iran?

Mick

September 25th, 2012
11:52 am

Funny how so many “assume” that iran’s goal is nuclear weapons, there really is no concrete evidence of that fact. Kinda of like the assumption that saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction…oops..do we really need a sequel to that fiasco? Get the facts before you shoot…

Jack

September 25th, 2012
11:53 am

Maybe we should mess up all their communication systems before we start bombing; surely we have the technical knowledge to do that.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
11:53 am

Usinuk 11:46

I am against flying monkeys as well as nuclear Iran

:)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:53 am

“I totally support your bid for office. But Rush is already criticising your “flip-flop” on nap times…”

he’s just bitter about his teeeny tiiiiny penis.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:54 am

getalife
September 25th, 2012
11:51 am

Didn’t he use same time table laid out by Bush administration to withdraw troops from Iraq?
Don’t know if I would ever brag about. Among the same decision as W.

Second he lobbied during the campaign of 08 for us to go into Afghanistan.
I’m well aware of the history of Afghanistan too.
Just curious why Obama was not?

moonbat betty

September 25th, 2012
11:55 am

We should bomb them with Sonny’s pulled pork sandwiches.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
11:56 am

USinUK – your Judy impression made me shoot coffee from my nose!!!! (TMI, I know)…

Mick

September 25th, 2012
11:56 am

N. korea joined the nuclear club during the previous administration, I think iran looked at that, saw us in afghanistan and iraq and thought hmmm…that might be one way to keep them off our back…

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
11:56 am

“Didn’t he use same time table laid out by Bush administration to withdraw troops from Iraq?”

Agreement, not time table. The withdrawal from Iraq was negotiated by the Bush admin and Iraq was not willing to re-negotiate it, so we are following it.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:57 am

he’s just bitter about his teeeny tiiiiny penis

Good god why would you know that?
Have you been tested as a result.

Uhhh I lost some respect for you there if its first hand experience.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
11:57 am

Paul 11:52

Deeds. Not talk.

I have significant doubt that Obama would actually follow through on his rhetoric and bomb Iran

And the worst thing is, Iran thinks the same thing

Making a nuclear Iran more likely under Obama

Paul

September 25th, 2012
11:57 am

Hello, Joe Hussein Mama

Mary Huggins’ and I left posts for you just after you signed off last night.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
11:57 am

I think what’s more telling are the conditions. This from a guy who served with him

Thanks for that info, Paul. I don’t doubt that the life of a Mormon missionary, probably, was no-frills, and that Mitt likely had trouble adjusting–he said himself that he had had a “pampered” life. I don’t hold any of that against him at all.

What I do find amazing though, is that he has such a horrid grasp of dollars and cents, that he’d toss out “100 dollars per week” as if it were some kind of slave wage for 1968. I am a lot younger than Mitt, I was nowhere near being of an age to support myself at the time, and even I know that 100 a week wasn’t doing so horribly.

I guess the comparable cluelessness at the bottom of the ticket would be Paul Ryan apparently fumbling for his supposed marathon time and coming up with a sub-three hour figure. It’s just one of those “lying, or stupid?” head-scratchers, for me.

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
11:58 am

Paul
September 25th, 2012
11:37 am
barking frog
Any reason you didn’t
answer the questions
before going to your own?
.
.
To continue the silly. No. No.
You are not required to
answer my question but
the USA must.

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
11:59 am

“that might be one way to keep them off our back”

That might be what they would say about it, but that’s not the real reason ANY country want’s nukes. The nuclear “family” is small and exclusive. Iran want’s to be a powerhouse in the Middle East and nukes would give them more influence. That’s the real reason.

It’s already known that Israel has nukes, so if Iran had them too the “MAD” balance would work just as well with them as it did with the US and USSR.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
11:59 am

Doggone/GA
September 25th, 2012
11:56 am

So we used the bush plan.

Yep sure thing anytime I want to show my wisdom I try to show that I did something W did. Then take credit for it.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
11:59 am

“We should bomb them with Sonny’s pulled pork sandwiches.”

would that be a ham grenade?

Paul

September 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

Jm

You saying the sanctions aren’t deeds?

When has he said he’d bomb Iran?

So you’re saying they would not be willing to ride out a two-year delay in their nuke program if they thought that was the course of action Pres Obama would take?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

Marty,

w was a disaster.

Can you admit this fact?

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

“He has never had a REAL job! ”

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I stopped reading.

Well, let’s compare apples:apples. What’s Mitt’s “real job” been since, oh, 2006 or so?

Jm

September 25th, 2012
12:01 pm

Israel doubt Obama

Our Arab allies doubt Obama

And Iran doubts Obama

A weak America makes war more likely

And Obama has provided “weak America” in spades

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:01 pm

Jm – “I am against flying monkeys as well as nuclear Iran”

dude – me, too – they scared the crap out of me when I was a child and still creep me out.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
12:02 pm

Jm — “I’m not ok with a nuclear Iran, period.”

Were you okay with a nuclear North Korea?

“A country that repeatedly states that it’s goal is to wipe another off the map and calls another the great Satan has no business having nuclear weapons. Period.”

(laughing) :D

Firstly, that claimed “goal” is one particular translation of what Ahmedinejad said. I’ve seen at least four others that say (in different ways) that he simply doesn’t want there to *be* an Israel anymore — and in which military action is not implied. It’s been known pretty much since the 1979 revolution that Iran didn’t like Israel and wanted it to cease existing. But that doesn’t necessarily imply ‘and we’re gonna nuke you if we ever get the chance.’ If you read translations of other speeches he’s made, he wants Palestinians to rise up and take over by force if necessary. He’d also like the US to withdraw their military and financial support. Why bother saying any of that if your eventual goal is to nuke the Israelis?

Plus, do you not think Israel would launch everything they’ve got if Iran went Launch Enable on them? The whole area would glow for centuries. What a stoopid, stoopid course of action that would be — yet you’re dead convinced that’s what Iran wants. Well, I’m not. They’re azzholes, and some of them *are* crazy, but they’re not stupid. They’re not going to nuke Israel when they know it would mean the end of *them* as well.

Secondly, sticks and stones. I don’t care what Ahmedinejad calls the US, because he’s full of pewp. Maybe your feelings get hurt when a little sawed-off jackazz who looks like a dwarf who’s been dipped in barbershop refuse shoots his mouth off, but mine don’t.

“We’re not talking about Judy Garland having nukes.”

Oh, FFS. I’m looking at North Korea and I’m not seeing IRBMs flying all over East Asia. Maybe you need to get some perspective on this. Having nukes does not automatically mean USING them. :roll:

“We’re talking about people who engage in terrorism, and want to annihilate other countries.”

I agree regarding terrorism. I don’t agree regarding your annihilation claim.

It is unacceptable.

I don’t want Iran to go nuclear, either, but going to war over it is teh stoopid. If you want to lose what little ground we have in the middle east, that’d be about the quickest way to do it.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:02 pm

would that be a ham grenade?

I’d be all for using the invisible ham of the marketplace.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
12:02 pm

“Israel doubt Obama
Our Arab allies doubt Obama
And Iran doubts Obama
A weak America makes war more likely
And Obama has provided “weak America” in spades”

Link, please?

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:03 pm

Israel doubt Obama

Our Arab allies doubt Obama

And Iran doubts Obama

They does/do?

you’re the bestest mind-reader ever.

St Simons

September 25th, 2012
12:03 pm

one more thing to think about –

a party that smells its extinction, whether by demographic change or
bankrupt failed ideology, is by definition more desperate & unhinged.

That dwindling group needs a ‘Pearl Harbor’ or a ‘Reichstag Fire’ to
artificially skew the public toward them, such as fake patriotism
brought about by a ‘war,’ ‘fear’, or some other scapegoat.

The cons are in desperate survival mode.
They will do ANYTHING.
They are capable of ANYTHING including treason.
This truth alone is why no one I know, even the rich ones, are voting
for Money-boo-boo.

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
12:03 pm

“Yep sure thing anytime I want to show my wisdom I try to show that I did something W did. Then take credit for it.”

Well, we had a choice: we COULD HAVE told Iraq to stuff it we were staying whether they like it or not. You would have preferred that choice, maybe?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
12:04 pm

“We will do what we must to stop nuclear Iran.” President Obama.

“He is a terrorist sympathizer” money boo boo.

Your choice Americans..

Do the right thing for your country not party.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
12:04 pm

stands

Personally, I wouldn’t want to try to live on a hundred a week in Paris in ‘68. But to me it gets back to the overall point – just how connected is the guy to middle America, but more than that, are his policies the best that could be implemented to assist the middle class?

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
12:04 pm

USinUK, thanks for your humor today. Laughter is the best medicine sometimes. I mean that. Thanks to all of you who can see through Willard. Sometimes I wonder if I’m all alone. (There are so many xenophobes and mouth breathers and ditto-heads around.) Thank you all for reminding me that I am not alone.

Last statement from me (for a little while anyway): The plutocrats whined and got their bail outs and their TARP. If they are not going to spend that money and let it circulate in the economy, then I demand that WE take it back! It is OUR money, after all. We can do this with our votes. We know who wants to get this done and we know who is trying to block it. That is the real CHOICE on election day. Will you vote for yourselves or the plutocrats?

Jefferson

September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

When Iran attacks the US, we should distoy them. Until then, they run the GOP after their tail because they fear.

larry

September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

We actually have been at war with Iran for the last two years.

An economic war. Their currency is almost worthless, the inflation rate their is through the roof. And they can not sell their oil out on the world market.

The sanctions have been taking effect. Any military action would not be a smart idea. Besides we can not afford it .

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

“That dwindling group needs a ‘Pearl Harbor’ or a ‘Reichstag Fire’ to
artificially skew the public toward them, such as fake patriotism
brought about by a ‘war,’ ‘fear’, or some other scapegoat.”

Remember the Maine!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

he’s just bitter about his teeeny tiiiiny penis.

Well, I thought about voting for you, USinUK, but now you’ve went and got all personal on somebody. Some people, you know—not me, but other men—are very sensitive about this issue.

Besides, I’m waiting for my Enlargement Pills to be shipped in the mail order. I get about 10 e-mails a day about them.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

Paul — “Mary Huggins’ and I left posts for you just after you signed off last night”

I did see them, although I think *Marty* would like for you to get his name right. :D

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

I really think an already-nuked Pakistan poses more of a real threat to us — in ways that have already manifested themselves in spades over the past decade — than a maybe-nuked-some-year Iran.

But I recognize this is either

a) a seriously fringe opinion on my part, or

b) not-really-fringe-at-all, but one that a national politician isn’t allowed to utter, because manhood or something.

Mary Elizabeth

September 25th, 2012
12:06 pm

“A dynamic of escalation, action, and counteraction could produce serious unintended consequences that would significantly increase all of these costs and lead, potentially, to all-out regional war.”
———————————————————————-

Thank you for this column, and especially for the link on the “Iran Report,”

http://www.worldaffairs.org/assets/documents/iranreport_091712r_final.pdf

which I have stored to read over days, not simply hours.

The human mind seems programmed, somehow, to want to form reality in terms of allies and enemies. Oh, that we could break that simplistic trend and find a way out of no way, as MLK Jr found a way through nonviolence, to make for a more harmonious, just, and peaceful world in which communication and dialogue could replace force and annihilation of one’s enemy.

Two quotes from the report which especially appealed to me:

Franklin Roosevelt: “Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The read safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education.”

Thomas Jefferson: “In a republican nation whose citizens are led by reason and persuasion, and not by force, the art of reasoning becomes of first importance.”

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:06 pm

getalife
September 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

Yeah. Didn’t vote for him either.

Wonder why Obama has kept or doubled down on so many of Bush’s policies?

alittlecommonsense

September 25th, 2012
12:07 pm

Jay – Maybe you should coordinate with Ahmadinejad a little better. Just yesterday at the U.N., he was threatening to “eliminate” Israel. In my opinion, this puts his intentions right inline with Hitler. (i.e. extermination of millions of Jews) I’m sure there were some very logical and compelling economic reasons not to engage Hitler either.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
12:08 pm

Paul I’m going to lunch, maybe later

lefty_316

September 25th, 2012
12:08 pm

War with Iran? Sure, no problem, as long as 2 conditions are met:

1) Taxes are increased to pay for the cost of the war

2) Since our troops are exhausted from 3,4 and 5 tours of Iraq and Afghanistan a no-exemption draft to rebuild our forces.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
12:09 pm

When the only tool the cons think they have is a hammer, every problem around them starts to look like a nail.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
12:11 pm

barking frog

Those two questions formed the historic criteria in modern America for going to war. And the answers to those questions in this case are ‘no.’

This country has historically rejected, in its strategic doctrine, an form of preventive war.

As previously noted, the one time in modern history we’ve engaged in preventive war is Iraq, and we both know how that turned out.

I do not think there is now any justification for going to war. Particularly if the end game is we’ll have to do it again in two years. And two years after that. And two years after that.

Especially if the Iranians don’t like our little idea of absorbing a major strike and not responding.

How do you think that would have gone over in the US after 9-11? “We’ll just take this. No response.? It is inconceivable we’d do that but we think it sound and reasonable another country do that.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:11 pm

Doggone/GA
September 25th, 2012
12:03 pm

No,
But even if I agreed with the decision I would not personally brag about a decision or action that was instituted by GWB.

Funny how folks say Obama got our troops out of Iraq. Even Obama himself touts it. Why let the facts it was Bush’s plan simply carried out.

Guess it doesn’t make for good politics

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
12:12 pm

News flash:

Working class people in the South really, really don’t like them no Barack Hussein Obama.

Now reckon why that is?

Look at this graph here:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/most-country-white-working-class-likes-president-obama-just-fine

In mid-August, Romney held a commanding 40-point lead over Obama among white working-class voters in the South (62% vs. 22%). However, neither candidate held a statistically significant lead among white working-class voters in the West (46% Romney vs. 41% Obama), Northeast (42% Romney vs. 38% Obama), or the Midwest (36% Romney vs. 44% Obama).

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
12:12 pm

Off topic:

Now they are doing fake tomahawk chop insults in Mass? Thankfully they end on a better note about them Yankees. http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/25/904581/warren-brown-tomahawk-chop

[Oh wait till josef sees this. :D ]

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
12:14 pm

Report this comment
Joe Hussein Mama
September 25th, 2012
12:09 pm
When the only tool the
cons think they have is a
hammer, every problem
around them starts to look
like a nail.
…….
the same could be said if
they thought they had a nail clipper..hope to change the
thinking.

southpaw

September 25th, 2012
12:15 pm

JamVet @11:01

Try actually looking up “neocon” or, better yet, “neoconservative.” Dictionary.reference.com has an interesting description, noting that such people used to be liberals or socialists. Hey, wait a minute! Neocons HAVE learned from mistakes after all!

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:15 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

I can be Mary if he likes. Remember I’ve became an episcopalian!

Gawd please nobody take offense to that it was not a sensitive joke.
If you got it well then you know more about Episcopalians than most

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:15 pm

Just yesterday at the U.N., he was threatening to “eliminate” Israel.

and Republicans threaten to pass a personhood amendment, and one that recognizes only hetero marriages, and probably (I haven’t checked this time around) ye olde Death to Flag-burners amendment.

All about equally likely to come close to happening in anyone’s lifetime.

Because of the GOP’s nuttiness, I don’t support them. And I think we should continue to apply what pressure we have on Iran.

I’m not, however, suggesting that we (say) pre-emptively drone-attack John Boehner, fun as that might be.

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
12:16 pm

St Simons. “The cons are in desperate survival mode.
They will do ANYTHING.
They are capable of ANYTHING including treason.
This truth alone is why no one I know, even the rich ones, are voting
for Money-boo-boo.”

You libs were whining that same line of BS before the 2010 elections. How did that turn out?

barking frog

September 25th, 2012
12:17 pm

Paul
The world has changed.
A nuclear first strike against
the USA or an ally cannot be
allowed.

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
12:18 pm

Lets hear some more whining from the 0% crowd about how 0% is fair but 14.1% ($3.2MM) isn’t. That’s always a hoot!!

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
12:22 pm

“But even if I agreed with the decision I would not personally brag about a decision or action that was instituted by GWB”

except it wasn’t. It was negotiated by the Bush admin. It was instituted by the current admin.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:22 pm

You libs were whining that same line of BS before the 2010 elections.

no, actually, by late Sept. we were reading Nate Silver, and knew that the House was likely to change hands.

Gravy Train

September 25th, 2012
12:23 pm

Hey RB, what have all of those Tea Ba*gers from 2010 accomplished? Where are all of the new jobs they promised? America gave them a shot, true enough, and they have done nothing but bit*h, whine and blame Obama for everything under the sun they don’t like. Well, fortunately, America will vote again. Will you be joining Rush when he leaves America as he promised he would do if Obama got elected back in 08? No, it’s just a bunch of hot air to keep you tuned in. What a rube.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:24 pm

why does RB hate Ronald Reagan??

“The tax system should not be an additional burden to those who are struggling to escape from poverty; insofar as possible, those below the poverty line should be freed from taxation altogether. By raising the personal exemption, the “zero bracket amounts,” and earned income tax credit, and by expanding the credit for the blind, elderly, and disabled, the President’s proposals would:(1) assure that virtually all families at or below the poverty line would be free from taxation; and (2) assure that virtually all older, blind, or disabled Americans at or below the poverty line would be freed from taxation.” Reagan’s 1985 Tax Proposal, Summary

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
12:25 pm

M. Huggins — “Gawd please nobody take offense to that it was not a sensitive joke. If you got it well then you know more about Episcopalians than most.”

We’re friends with a nice Episcopalian couple. He switched from Methodist, and she refers to the church as being “like Catholicism, but with 2/3ds less guilt!” :D

BTW, did you know that you can rearrange the letters in the word “episcopal” to spell “pepsi cola?” :D

Mick

September 25th, 2012
12:25 pm

rb

Hey, you’re the one that’s paying 28% or more in taxes, yet you’re ok with mitt paying half of what you pay while earning millions more than you’ll ever see in 100 lifetimes – you’ve got his back, does he have yourn???

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:25 pm

Doggone/GA
September 25th, 2012
12:22 pm

Well it would have been a little hard for the Bush administration to institute the terms of the withdrawal now wouldn’t it.

Did the Obama administration institute the current tax code or are they simply continuing Bush’s tax cuts?

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:26 pm

So RB, do you think Mitt will win?

(Note that I didn’t ask if he CAN win. Of course he can, still. But it is appearing to be very unlikely at this point. I think it’s telling that Rassmussen hasn’t bothered to release any Ohio polling since 9/13/2012)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_president

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:28 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
September 25th, 2012
12:25 pm

Accurate description.

Lil different view on homosexuity as well.

I did not know that until a few weeks ago. Saw my kids doing it and they told me.

Damnit I think I’m getting old!

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
12:29 pm

“Did the Obama administration institute the current tax code or are they simply continuing Bush’s tax cuts?”

what does that have to do with our withdrawal from Iraq?

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
12:29 pm

“Hey RB, what have all of those Tea Ba*gers from 2010 accomplished? ”

They’ve put a whole bunch of bills on Harry Reid’s desk where the still sit today.

Michael

September 25th, 2012
12:29 pm

It’s ironic that the president who actually authorized a military mission in Iran was Jimmy Carter, and he is reviled by the right wing.
The president who authorized cyber attacks is Obama, and he is reviled by the right wing.
The president who traded guns for hostages was Ronald Reagan, and he is lionized by the right wing.
The president who expanded Iran’s influence by taking out Saddam was George Bush, and his advisors are now telling Mitt Romney what to say.
The right wing clings to myths and advisors who have consistently set our country back.

DannyX

September 25th, 2012
12:30 pm

“They’ve put a whole bunch of bills on Harry Reid’s desk where the still sit today.”

Really? Tell us about them.

Citizen of the World

September 25th, 2012
12:31 pm

We need a law that says the minute we go into war, the draft kicks in. A volunteer army is OK for peacetime, but war calls for shared sacrifice across all income and education levels and wider age levels than before, so it’s not just a bunch of kids over there doing our dirty work.

This would have two desirable consequences: Make waging war much more economically equitable and make it a much less attractive option for settling differences.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
12:31 pm

I would like to thank the lying crazy cons for helping our President get the sane Republican votes.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:33 pm

Doggone/GA
September 25th, 2012
12:29 pm

It doesn’t have anything to do directly with Iraq.

I was seeing how far you applied the institute premise from earlier?

If Obama instituted the Withdrawl then did he not institute the tax cuts as well?
If not can you show me the logic how he did in one case but not the other?
Please don’t use the pressure from republican blah blah as the president is always receiving pressure on any decision from many different directions.

Ahem

September 25th, 2012
12:33 pm

Signs Obama losing

Despite the establishment media narrative that the Romney campaign is behind and in disarray, there are abundant signs the Obama campaign is behind and scrambling not to lose further ground:

•On Saturday, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina insisted to reporters that despite national polls showing Romney and Obama locked in a tie, Obama is still winning.
•WND reported last week Obama’s chief financier, Penny Pritzker, has entered the Hawaii housing market to buy a retirement home for the president and his family that will be available not in 2016, but in January 2013.
•On the eve of the opening session of the General Assembly, the Obama administration’s Middle Eastern policy appears to be imploding in the wake of the murder of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens in an attack that intelligence sources believe was coordinated by jihadists tied to al-Qaida. The administration, nevertheless, insisted the attack was a response to an anti-Muslim movie trailer produced in the U.S.
•Initial jobless claims for the week ending Sept. 15 were a seasonally adjusted 382,000, exceeding forecasts of 375,000, suggesting no improvement in the percentage of Americans unemployed could be anticipated before the November election, as reported by Wall Street Journal Market Watch.
•Politico has reported that in the latest Politico-George Washington University Battleground Poll with middle-class families, which constitute approximately 54 percent of the electorate and usually split their vote between Democratic and Republican candidates, Romney holds a 14-point advantage, 55 percent to 41 percent.

DannyX

September 25th, 2012
12:36 pm

willie lynch

September 25th, 2012
12:37 pm

This again show’s the wisdom of the Obama administrations foreign policy. President Obama has been right to keep Netanyahu at a distance because he has nothing new to offer and only wants the commitment of American lives should he decide on a “preemptive” strike against Iran.

A Romney administration would be just as disastrous with it’s foreign policy as the previous administration. Private contractors (Blackwater- XE) and multinational corporations (Haliburton, Dynacorp) are waiting like opportunistic pimps hoping their whores open up the coffers.

Oh yeah, Country First! Can’t forget to throw that in it makes me sound patriotic.

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
12:38 pm

Even as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presses the US for “red lines” on Iran’s nuclear development and Iran ramps up its rhetoric, Israelis don’t seem to be expecting a war with Iran anytime soon – and are not frantically preparing for one.

Yes, Iran is a dangerous regime, most say. But even as some get new gas masks and repair their bomb shelters, more than half say they think Mr. Netanyahu’s statements about launching an Israeli strike on Iran are a bluff intended to pressure the US to do the job instead.

And even if Netanyahu were serious about going it alone, Israelis express a high degree of confidence in Israel’s ability to defend itself.

http://news.yahoo.com/israelis-shrug-netanyahus-urgent-warnings-iran-131629186.html

interesting

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
12:39 pm

Here you go Gravy Train. http://www.gop.gov/policy-news/11/10/27/summary-of-jobs-bills-stalled

Why don’t you ask Harry why he’s not taking any action on these?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
12:40 pm

ahem

bless your heart

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
12:41 pm

Mick, “Hey, you’re the one that’s paying 28% or more in taxes, yet you’re ok with mitt paying half of what you pay…”

I don’t pay $6.4MM in taxes per year, Mick, and I’d bet pretty good money you don’t either. Any other outright lies or half truths you’d like to try to pass off to your sheep?

Ahem

September 25th, 2012
12:41 pm

Barack Obama is a good man. He is trying hard. He’s just not very good at this job.

Obama is a nice guy; he is just not very good at his job.

Obama is doing his best. His best just isn’t good enough

Barack Obama is a pleasant enough fellow. But, he’s just not very good at being President of the United States.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:42 pm

:lol:

yay!!! cutting regulation, openining up new drilling leases – nope … no idea why those haven’t seen the light of day …

and, oh yeah, they’re going to generate LOADS of emmineffing jobs :roll:

Ahem

September 25th, 2012
12:42 pm

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
12:40 pm
ahem

bless your heart
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thank you.

Jefferson

September 25th, 2012
12:42 pm

a bill that won’t pass is a failure.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:44 pm

“I don’t pay $6.4MM in taxes per year”

he didn’t say that you did, mr. reading-is-fundamental

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
12:44 pm

Great recap of the election blogging to date

Warning, if you have something against big hats this is not the video for you.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
12:44 pm

Ahem — “•WND reported last week Obama’s chief financier, Penny Pritzker, has entered the Hawaii housing market to buy a retirement home for the president and his family that will be available not in 2016, but in January 2013.”

And in the surest sign yet that Romney will lose, Congressman Paul Ryan’s campaign made a $2M ad buy in his district — for his campaign to retain his seat in the House.

Frankly, you’re quite a credulous person if you’re buying that World Nut Daily spew.

larry

September 25th, 2012
12:45 pm

Ahem

September 25th, 2012
12:33 pm

I guess thats why Paul Ryan has sank 10 million dollars in trying to preserve his house seat in Wisconsin right ?

Willie

September 25th, 2012
12:45 pm

Maybe you could work better red than dead into your column.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
12:46 pm

“You libs were whining that same line of BS before the 2010 elections. How did that turn out?”

The difference is, we’ve seen what the “republican wave” has accomplished in their two years – less than squat.

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
12:46 pm

Ah, yes, DannyX out of the woodwork on cue. The AJC employee DannyX who posts here under multiple names to generate traffic unbeknownst to unwary ad buyers who thing they’re reaching X potential customers when they’re really only reaching AJC employees posting under multiple names. Do you think any of your advertisers would like to have that information DannyX? How about telling us what other names you’re posting under, you know, in the spirit of open records and all?

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
12:47 pm

RB — “Why don’t you ask Harry why he’s not taking any action on these?”

Ooh, ooh, I know! Because they SUCK.

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
12:47 pm

JHM

Great point on WND. That site is one of the homes of the “birthers” as well as numerous other asinine right wing conspiracy nuts.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
12:47 pm

Ahh… thanks, Joe Hussein Mama.

So MARTY…. how ya’ doin’?

:-)

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:48 pm

“H.R. 910 would prohibit the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases to address climate change under the Clean Air Act.”

and

“H.J. Res 37 … The bill would prohibit the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from implementing a net-neutrality rule which would prohibit Internet providers from slowing or blocking legal websites or Internet services because of concerns over bandwidth.”

and

“H.R. 2587 would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstance.”

and the bestest of all!

“H.R. 2273 would utilize the framework and requirements of an existing federal regulatory program developed by the EPA under the Solid Waste Disposal Act (RCRA) as the basis for enforceable minimum federal standards for the regulation of a waste stream known as coal ash. The bill would include enforceable federal standards, but would leave regulation and enforcement to the states.

You’re actually PROUD of crap like this, RB?

WTF is wrong with you?

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
12:48 pm

I tried to find a sign of Obama losing but all I found was this sign of a Republican Party lying to a little girl.

Mick

September 25th, 2012
12:49 pm

rb

You have a comprehension problem, mitt pays 14%, you pay 28% or more. Mitt earns millions, you earn thousands, as a percentage you pay twice as much as him and gladly carry his water. You would have made a great serf…

Repro

September 25th, 2012
12:49 pm

What makes anyone think that if Iran does build a nuclear bomb/missile, they would immediately use it?
The Mullahs may be crazy, bu they are not suicidal.
They know that the moment they did that, they would be destroyed.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
12:50 pm

unwary ad buyers who thing they’re reaching X potential customers when they’re really only reaching AJC employees posting under multiple names

I have a great browser…. apparently all the “ads” are filtered out on this page…… them “unwary ad buyers” for this particular page are defeated. :lol:

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
12:50 pm

“So RB, do you think Mitt will win?”

RB’s over at InTrade, scoopin’ up some that that good “$2.70 to win $10.00″ action goin’ on over there!

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:50 pm

“WTF is wrong with you?”

not enough hours in the day to delve into that morass

Paul

September 25th, 2012
12:51 pm

barking frog

“A nuclear first strike against
the USA or an ally cannot be
allowed.”

Iran’s no where near that. No where.

They don’t even have a delivery system.

(cue the guys reading fiction books who are ready with “well, they take a short-range missile, bolt on a nuke, put it on the deck of a cargo ship, disguise it, then go to Houston for an oil call…”

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:51 pm

“You’re actually PROUD of crap like this, RB?”

I just love how they’ve defined them all as “jobs bills”

Call It Like It Is

September 25th, 2012
12:51 pm

Interesting, I would be the first to state keep our boys and girls out of harm’s way, but I would have to question the aspect that Iran would be able to start their nuclear program right back up within 4 years after a US strike. That just seems like an unattainable time line to me. Look at Iraq, how many years after the last battle and they still don’t have full power or water to this day. After the 7 days war, how long did it take for Israel’s enemies to build their forces back up? Again not wanting a war by any means, but I just don’t see Iran bouncing back so quickly if the US did indeed strike first.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:52 pm

not enough hours in the day to delve into that morass

actually I should have directed that “WTF”ish question of mine to the Republican leadership, which is after all responsible for posting that whiny-assed teaty-baby web page RB linked to.

RB’s just a damn pawn in their game, after all.

Madmax

September 25th, 2012
12:52 pm

BO is starting to sound like George, drawing a line in the sand saying the time is short to halt Iran. Amazing what he will do to keep his job yet he’s still holding forth with his stance that the attack on our embassy was caused by the outrage over the film. I guess calling them terrorists or an organized attack would ruin his narrative about how his diplomcy in the ME is working.

kitty

September 25th, 2012
12:54 pm

Jm

September 25th, 2012
11:57 am
Paul 11:52

Deeds. Not talk.

I have significant doubt that Obama would actually follow through on his rhetoric and bomb Iran

And the worst thing is, Iran thinks the same thing

Making a nuclear Iran more likely under Obama

==================================

Why do you think that? He after careful consideration did take the huge risk of going after Bin Laden. If that had failed OMG, the grief he would have gotten from everyone on either side. So why do you think he doesn’t have the guts to do that? I am grateful he is thoughtful about the whole thing and doesn’t let his mouth wander like Mitt does.

Marty Huggins'

September 25th, 2012
12:54 pm

Paul
September 25th, 2012
12:47 pm

I’m good how are you?

No worries Marty ain’t my real name. Can’t use my real name for work reasons.

Marty is Zach Galifianakis’ charecter in The Campaign.

I know not creative but that’s not my skill set

USMC

September 25th, 2012
12:54 pm

Take a sober look at MARTA and “mass transit” option in Atlanta….

Audit: MARTA spends $50M too much, should privatize some functions
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/transportation/marta-needs-to-privatize-functions-revamp-employee/nSKwS/

(I know the children of the Blog will say “more AJCy spam”…) :-)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
12:57 pm

yay!!! RB has a playmate in USMC

(he’s been lonely without you, USMC )

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
12:58 pm

I know the children of the Blog will say “more AJCy spam”…

no, but I will direct you and others to Kyle, who has chosen that as his topic for discussion.

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2012/09/25/well-well-whats-this-about-a-50-million-problem-at-marta/

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
1:00 pm

Scientists find secret of longer life for men: Castration…

drudgey spam.

Madmax

September 25th, 2012
1:00 pm

Repro

What makes you so sure they won’t use it immediately and how do you know where they would and wouldn’t use it. Based on events in the ME for the past few weeks, it appears our intelligence gathering appears to be very weak in the area once again, or nobody has been reading the matrial they gathered or they don’t understand what they have been reading.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
1:00 pm

Kitty 11:54

Flying helicopters into what is ostensibly an ally’s air space is different than dropping daisy cutters (or whatever the latest is) on sites with nuclear material. And lots of people.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
1:02 pm

“What makes you so sure they won’t use it immediately and how do you know where they would and wouldn’t use it.”

If they wanted to commit suicide, they could just invade Israel. Why wait?

TiredOfIt

September 25th, 2012
1:05 pm

JERUSALEM—Israel will need to boost military spending and may seek an additional $20 billion in U.S. security assistance to help it manage potential threats stemming from popular upheavals in the Arab world, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Monday.
++
I am tired of the US spending my tax dollars on this country. If they are God’s chosen people, let him take care of them. Enough is enough.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
1:06 pm

Keep lying and acting crazy cons.

Keep trying to cheat with voter id.

Keep taking no personal responsibility for your failed party’s actions.

You are helping our President get votes.

Heck of a job cons.

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
1:06 pm

USinUK “12:44 pm “I don’t pay $6.4MM in taxes per year”

he didn’t say that you did, mr. reading-is-fundamental.

From Mick – “…yet you’re ok with mitt paying half of what you pay…”

Yes, USinUK, reading is fundamental. You should try it. Romney paid $3.2MM in taxes and that is NOT half of what I paid. And while I may be in the 28% bracket, Romney is the 35% bracket and short of deductions, that’s what he paid on his apples to apples income, not this 14% BS you morons keep whining about.

I’d bet most of you tools have no idea what your own effective tax rate is. Mine was less than 2% last year because of some losses on an investment and the $13K in property taxes, and 25K in interest I paid. In short, I followed the tax code as it is written and paid what I owed. I suspect all of you did as well, but somehow you feel the need to whine and outright lie to people about Romney doing the same thing. You don’t pave roads with percentages, libs, it takes $$$ and Mitt paid a heck of a lot more than all of you combined.

Whine on…

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
1:06 pm

The rubes who voted for the worst ever are hardly in a position to speak about failed administrations.

They wouldn’t know one if their lives depended on it.

To wit, ask Ahem and the other Bushbots if they would vote to put George Walker Bush and Richard Cheney right back in the White House in November, if they could…

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

Madmax, here is a transcript of Obama’s speech to the UN.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/25/transcript-obama-address-to-un-general-assembly/

I think it’s best to view the pull-quote in some context. I have some reservations about this language:

America wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe that there is still time and space to do so. But that time is not unlimited.

…but I don’t think it’s in GWB territory, even out of context like that; and in the context of a typically thoughtful, well calibrated speech, it seems acceptable.

southpaw

September 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

What makes anyone think that if Iran does build a nuclear bomb/missile, they would immediately use it?
The Mullahs may be crazy, bu they are not suicidal.
They know that the moment they did that, they would be destroyed.
————————————————————————————————–
And go to their 72 virgins for eternity. You really think they’re worried about being destroyed? “Not suicidal” is questionable at best.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

“From Mick – “…yet you’re ok with mitt paying half of what you pay…””

awww diddums … how sweet!! you conveniently ignored the fact that he was talking about PERCENTAGE!!!

reading

is

fundamental

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
1:09 pm

“I’d bet most of you tools have no idea what your own effective tax rate is. Mine was less than 2%”

RB – You’re one of the dreaded 47%! You know, Romney said he doesn’t care about you, because there’s no way you’re not going to vote for Obama!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
1:09 pm

I suspect all of you did as well, but somehow you feel the need to whine and outright lie to people about Romney doing the same thing.

The difference being that neither you nor I are trying to win a popularity contest, but Romney is.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:10 pm

evidence of RB’s creative editing

Mick, “Hey, you’re the one that’s paying 28% or more in taxes, yet you’re ok with mitt paying half of what you pay…”

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:10 pm

I’d bet most of you tools have no idea what your own effective tax rate is.

Shrug. If you use Turbotax or H&R Block software, that’s provided in a summary sheet when you print out your tax form. If people choose to take note of it or not, that’s their business.

DannyX

September 25th, 2012
1:11 pm

Hey RB, there are more signs that the real estate market is recovering.

Speaking of “signs” what is your highway billboard telling you about the real estate market?

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
1:12 pm

Mick

September 25th, 2012
1:17 pm

usinuk

If it’s one thing I’ve learned coming here is that stubborn is as stubborn does; not much room for the dim bulb to light up…

getalife

September 25th, 2012
1:18 pm

Great speech at the UN today.

romney would blow it like his campaign.

Lashing out with lies like “terrorist sympathizer”.

Reckless and dangerous.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:19 pm

Mick – you call it stubborn, I call it deliberate misrepresentation

potato
potahto

DannyX

September 25th, 2012
1:19 pm

Mississippi

Bush won state by 20%
McCain won by 13%
Romney +18

Republicans must be proud, the poorest and fattest state in the country, is all red.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:19 pm

“romney would blow it like his campaign.”

he’d blow it like his visit to London

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
1:20 pm

No, USinUK, I’m pretty sure Romneys 14% is 7 times the effective rate I paid. What other apples to oranges lies do you libs want to float today?

I can’t believe the sheer idiocy of you people floating that 28% vs 14% BS out there as if its an honest comparison. It’s a lie!!!

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:24 pm

RB – riiiiiiiiiiight … you only pay 2% in income tax

(I guess you feel solace that Romney has written you off as a lost cause)

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
1:24 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
1:24 pm

So RB claims a 2% effective tax rate and complains about being overtaxed? :roll:

lynnie gal

September 25th, 2012
1:24 pm

After being at war for going on twelve years now, we’re sick of it. However, a president Romney, who has no foreign policy experience, would surround himself with the same neo-cons who brought us the Iraq war. Good reason to stick with Obama. He’s determined to keep us out of another war.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
1:25 pm

It’s a good thing RB didn’t pay 0% in fed income taxes because then he would have to vote for Obama.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:26 pm

keep up … nobooooodyyyyyyy knooooooows the trooouuuuuuuble he’s seeeeeeeeeen

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:26 pm

hmm. If I combine my actual effective federal income tax rate with

a) what’s withheld for FICA/Med
b) what’s withheld for my share of an employee-sponsored health insurance plan
c) what I voluntarily have withheld to cover out-of-pocket health expenses

(you know, all the stuff that most civilized countries just pay for out of general revenue, for their citizenry?)

my effective rate is about 22%. For what that’s worth.

gm

September 25th, 2012
1:26 pm

When will someone ask Mitt would he send his sons to war? amazing the right nut jobs are questioning a President that has had America safe for the last 4 years and gave the order to kill the man who took 3500 American lives.

After watching Obama speak at the UN even you right nut jobs have to admit, you rather have this President speaking to the world then Mitt(Gordon Gekko), this is not even close.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:27 pm

(and no, I didn’t goose that figure @ 1.26 by including the employer portion of FICA/Med.)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 25th, 2012
1:27 pm

“It’s a good thing RB didn’t pay 0% in fed income taxes because then he would have to vote for Obama.”

as it is, he does complain about being a victim all the time (doncha know, we’re keeping the white man down …)

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:30 pm

Whats the big hubbub about taxes he paid? If you believe that “fairshare” is actually determined by current tax code as opposed to political BS, it’s really not a big issue…if they thought he broke the law, sick the DOJ or IRS on him..shy of that…its really irrelevant..

We elected a guy with ZERO governing experience and his record of matching his political promises to what has been delivered is a failure…he had the opportunity to set bi partisan tone in his first days…had alot of GOPers excited, then pulled out the rug with now famous “we won, you lost…get over it..” hand jive..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
1:31 pm

Well USinUK, in all fairness, when he was getting food stamps and unemployment, no one was there for him. He did it all on his own….. :lol:

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
1:32 pm

“would surround himself with the same neo-cons who brought us the Iraq war”

Too late, several of those folks already work for Romney as policy or campaign advisers.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
1:34 pm

had alot of GOPers excited, then pulled out the rug with now famous “we won, you lost…get over it..” hand jive..

Stevie, repeating the same talking nonsense themes does not mean that it is suddenly true or even relevant. You might want to consider a new act, with thought this time, instead of merely repeating the old act.

Mick

September 25th, 2012
1:34 pm

**had alot of GOPers excited, then pulled out the rug with now famous “we won, you lost…get over it..” hand jive..**

That just might be because your guys went in demanding that he do this and that…well we did have an election and the repubs were soundly rejected, to the victor goes the spoils…just ask the previous president who governed as if he won a landslide but in reality lost the popular vote to gore…

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:35 pm

LYNNIE,

Respectfully, i think Obamas foreign policy success may not trump Romney’s lack of experience…What experience did BO have at get go?

Sad state of foreign affairs…policy is screwed up or pushed aside…

I wish we’d just pull all of our troops home…losing live’s when we are not directly threatened is a horrible waste…I just get ill seeing the deaths and maiming of our selfless troops…and the outcome is that we are generally persona non grata in both Iraq and Afghanistan…we got no return on investment in either.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
1:35 pm

RB — “I can’t believe the sheer idiocy of you people floating that 28% vs 14% BS out there as if its an honest comparison.”

I can’t believe you actually think you can read minds.

“It’s a lie!!!”

It certainly is. There’s no such thing as mindreading, RB.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:35 pm

We elected a guy with ZERO governing experience

yaaaawwwwnnn.

Better concern trolls, please Jay?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:38 pm

MICK,

Comparisons to Bush don’t mean anything to me..fact is that Cantor et al approached President Trillions with a proposal before he took office that cut 2 lowest tax brackets and eliminated taxes on unemployment payment in an effort to jive with BO’s promise of unity..his naivete and arrogance cost the DEMS grandly..of course that was just the first in many examples of his arrogance gone wild..

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
1:38 pm

DannyX (AJC Employee…)

http://www.nwitimes.com/business/real-estate/home-prices-up-in-july-in-major-us-cities/article_d0e685c0-1ef3-5c53-8afe-82ca78f95875.html

It’s telling me the Atlanta market will lag behind others in it’s recovery just like it lagged behind the others in the decline. You know, the exact same point I made to you way back when.

So, how many of these other names are you blogging under to generate hits for ad revenue? I don’t suppose the AJC would like for advertisers to know about that, would you?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:40 pm

STANDS,

Can you please site a single entry on BO’s prior resume that includes any foreign policy experience? I guess by your yawn that you concede that point or otherwise think it has successfully been defended in the past..I’m dying to retrack my position if you can provide me data suggesting I’m wrong…

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:41 pm

KEEP,

Prove me wrong…this fact has been published in books and newspapers ad nausea…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
1:41 pm

I’m dying to retrack my position…

Not intended to be a factual statement.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
1:42 pm

“Can you please site a single entry on BO’s prior resume that includes any foreign policy experience?”

Four years as leader of the free world.

All the mindless lies and crazy unpatriotic behavior from you cons helped reelect President Obama.

Thank you cons.

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
1:42 pm

Job experience for the last 4 years:

Romney – Squat
Obama – President of the United States of America

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:43 pm

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
1:44 pm

RB – got any evidence for your “DannyX” claim?

Or should you STFU?

Just curious…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
1:45 pm

Stevie, which “fact” are you demanding I prove you wrong about? You do know what a “fact” is right? Oh wait…..

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:45 pm

So, how many of these other names are you blogging under to generate hits for ad revenue?

jeez.

RB, some months back when Kyle Wingfield had a little heart-to-heart with his readers and re-introduced them to his blog rules, he included this:

[K]now this: I truly could not care less what effect these measures have on the number of comments published on my blog, despite the opinion among some of you that this is an important number to me or the AJC.

So Kyle says that the raw number of comments published on his blog aren’t an important number to the AJC.

But… they are to Jay, you’re saying?

or are you maybe just calling Kyle a liar?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:45 pm

GETALIFE,

When BO got elected he had ZERO foreign policy expereince and it shows…if you are suggesting he has positive experience now by virtue of being in office 4 years gets no traction if you are of the opinion that he has screwed most of what he has touched..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
1:46 pm

Has anyone ever taken a sober look at the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! ?

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
1:46 pm

As a United States Senator, Barack Obama served on a variety of committees and chaired the United States Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
1:47 pm

But… But… Stevie Ray is a devout Independent so he speaks only the unbiased truth only about anything that he can phrase negatively in his own mind about Obama, like all Independents do. :roll:

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
1:48 pm

s anyone ever taken a sober look at the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! ?

______

Yes, and . . ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
1:48 pm

Jam, takedown, 2 points!

MiltonMan

September 25th, 2012
1:50 pm

Yes – let’s just do nothing and believe what Obozo & his buddy Ahmadinejad have to say about Israel & its “noise” toward Iran.

Jay what kind of opinion piece would you produce if Iran sneaks a dirty bomb into the USA and kills 100s or 1000s of our sons & daughters???

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:51 pm

Can you please site a single entry on BO’s prior resume that includes any foreign policy experience?

Besides actually having lived in a foreign country for several years as a child (you may have heard about that) and, as an adult, visiting his father’s homeland? And later, as a US senator, considering numerous bills with foreign policy implications, and weighing their effectiveness prior to voting?

naw, none whatsoever.

Of course, that’s not a question any sane voter is asking himself when considering whether to support him in 2012, but whatevs.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
1:52 pm

Jay what kind of opinion piece would you produce if Iran sneaks a dirty bomb into the USA and kills 100s or 1000s of our sons & daughters???

I’d be wondering just how the hell they managed to get only our sons and daughters gathered together without any adult supervision long enough to pull that off.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
1:52 pm

RB from Gwinnett

“Romney is the 35% bracket and short of deductions, that’s what he paid on his apples to apples income, not this 14% BS you morons keep whining about.”

Say WHAT?!!?

Care to explain that doozy?

Keep Up

“So RB claims a 2% effective tax rate and complains about being overtaxed?”

Ha Ha. Ha Ha Ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Didja catch the real gem, though? Guy made a bad investment and he thinks it’s dandy the other taxpayers cover part of his losses ‘cause that’s the way the tax laws are written, don’tcha’ know?

MiltonMan

September 25th, 2012
1:53 pm

“All the mindless lies and crazy unpatriotic behavior from you cons helped reelect President Obama.”

The election has already taken place??? This same attitude was displayed by the libs in the mid-term elections of 2010.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:53 pm

Jay what kind of opinion piece would you produce if Iran sneaks a dirty bomb into the USA and kills 100s or 1000s of our sons & daughters???

Jay what if Superman were a Nazi???

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
1:54 pm

and weighing their effectiveness prior to voting present

couldn’t resist

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
1:55 pm

“Didja catch the real gem, though? Guy made a bad investment and he thinks it’s dandy the other taxpayers cover part of his losses ‘cause that’s the way the tax laws are written, don’tcha’ know?”

Nyah, nyah…RB gets welfare – now he’s gotta vote for Obama…!

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
1:55 pm

MiltonMan — “Jay what kind of opinion piece would you produce if Iran sneaks a dirty bomb into the USA and kills 100s or 1000s of our sons & daughters???”

I expect he’d condemn those responsible, as we all would.

That said, you’re sounding like Condoleezza Rice just now. As in ‘we don’t want the red flag to be a mushroom cloud.’ :roll:

Jefferson

September 25th, 2012
1:56 pm

The tool that calls tools is indeed the tool of all tools, and a baby tool at that.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
1:56 pm

MiltonMan — “This same attitude was displayed by the libs in the mid-term elections of 2010.”

And by the cons in the Presidential election of 2008.

And, just to be complete, by the cons in our current election.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:56 pm

JAMVET,

Good point..I’m not certain how much experience that provided given that he served on at least 5 other, non foreign related committees as well…

You got me though:-) My opinion about his foreign policy outcomes doesn’t change but he did serve on a committee and make several speeches overseas to be certain…

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
1:57 pm

and weighing their effectiveness prior to voting present

couldn’t resist

…nearly as devastating as citing the “57 states” death-ray.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
1:58 pm

STANDS,

I submit to his serving on a committee but suggesting that his living in a foreign country as child or visiting his dad aides his foreign policy experience is…well silly..

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
1:59 pm

…nearly as devastating as citing the “57 states” death-ray.

so I’m 2 for 2? :D …just tryin to keep it lite

Mick

September 25th, 2012
2:01 pm

stevie

If I were just elected president, I don’t think I would be listening much to eric cantor…obama did cut taxes for the middle class..you are supposed to get a honeymoon period but what did obama get from the senate minority leader?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:02 pm

KEEPS/TAX PAYER

Perhaps is you’d respond to the link I submitted for your consideration instead of contempt prior to investigation, we may actually get somewhere..

You may also want to read The Price of Politics…a Woodward work and offer some factual responses to the tone of the book toward BO or the GOP..they both carry on like a bunch of immature dolts..

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:02 pm

I see y’all are still harping on taxes. Ezra Klein put forth a post last week that everybody should be forced to read before spouting off about the 47% or effective rates or anything else…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he’s not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That’s the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it’s a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He’s paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who’s not getting a fair shake?

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It’s total tax burden by income group. And as you’ll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren’t paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.

That’s really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income — which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

And here’s a direct link to the chart he’s talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/total-tax-bill-income.jpg

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
2:03 pm

SR, in my useless opinion, experience, in and of itself, is a card very overplayed these days.

George was – ON PAPER – eminently qualified to be the president.

His glaring lack of intellectual curiosity and heft in his 2000 campaign, however was for me, an obvious indication that he was going to be a mental lightweight by presidential standards.

Even so, I had no idea that his ethical integrity would be equally disappointing…

BHO is as qualified as anyone to be POTUS.

Because to date he, like all of his predecessors for the past forty years, has dutifully taken his marching orders from the men on Wall Street who own and run Washington DC…

Don't Tread

September 25th, 2012
2:03 pm

0bama: “…the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”

I’m sure Ahmanahole is quaking in his boots.

RB from Gwinnett

September 25th, 2012
2:03 pm

Paul, “Didja catch the real gem, though? Guy made a bad investment and he thinks it’s dandy the other taxpayers cover part of his losses ‘cause that’s the way the tax laws are written, don’tcha’ know?”

I didn’t write the code, Paul, but if you expect me to not take full advantage of it, you are an idiot.

I notice there isn’t any snarky remarks about the $13k I paid in property taxes. I wonder why.

Stands, was any of what you listed used in that 22% number because none of it counts.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:03 pm

MICK,

That’s the point…Obama played politics and refused to consider any aspect of the proposal refusing to allow any credit for these ideas to the GOP…

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:04 pm

suggesting that his living in a foreign country as child or visiting his dad aides his foreign policy experience is…well silly..

I disagree; I think the time you spend in real-life situations (and I will include Mitt’s mission work in France, here) in other countries provides invaluable balance when weighing decisions that might affect those countries; it also provides you with insight in how other people cope with problems we might face.

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:04 pm

Jay what kind of opinion piece would you produce if Iran sneaks a dirty bomb into the USA and kills 100s or 1000s of our sons & daughters???

Maybe you should go back and research if they could even sneak one in first.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
2:06 pm

You may also want to read The Price of Politics…

…or not.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
2:07 pm

Ahhh, so Stevie you are now claiming that comments in a book based on the opinions of the writer and those the writer interviews are somehow “fact” (even though denied and contradicted). :roll: As suggested before, you apparently do not comprehend the meaning of “fact”. How silly.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
2:07 pm

RB — “I didn’t write the code, Paul, but if you expect me to not take full advantage of it, you are an idiot.”

If you’re going to take full advantage of your rights under the tax code, then I expect you can handle others taking full advantage of their free speech rights. You have the right to write off losses on your taxes. And others have the right to call you on it.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:08 pm

just tryin to keep it lite

understood.

(Although in the interest of nitpicky goodness, I should point out that the “present” votes — which constituted a whopping 3% of total votes cast, if memory serves — were as an IL legislator, not a US senator.)

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:08 pm

I notice there isn’t any snarky remarks about the $13k I paid in property taxes. I wonder why.

Personally, I don’t give a rat’s ass about what taxes you pay or don’t pay. You bought the property, right? Therefore, just shut up and pay the taxes.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:08 pm

JAMVET,

I couldn’t agree more but let’s not shortchange the telecon, defense, oil and gas etcetera…

I read three books on corruption…one right, one center and one left…

Schweiter: Throw Them all Out
Lessig: Republic Lost
Greewald: Liberty and Justice For A Few..

This issue is really the only thing that truly matters…until something changes, all outcomes will remain flawed..

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
2:12 pm

GOP inbred ignornance

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:13 pm

KEEPS,

If you don’t trust Woodward or Politico, how about ABC News?

I guess you will defend BO on any and all issues..

Why are you having such a hard time not believing this? It’s hard to admit your baby is not perfect..

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
2:13 pm

So, it appears that most of the posters on this liberal lovefest are OK with Iran having a nuke. We all know that it is just for peaceful purposes….. we can trust the little Iranian. He and that scumbag Ayatollah that really runs that cesspool can always be trusted. Up to now, Bozo doesn’t seem to be very interested. Appearances on the View with all of this liberal sycophants are more important. Taking off for Vegas for a fund raising event the day after 9/11 ranks right up there with one of most stupid moves he has ever made. Hell, he can just get an update on his I-Phone. No wonder the Muslim world views him as an empty suit.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
2:13 pm

Bro @ 2:02,

You might be interested in this.

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
2:14 pm

stands for dB’s
…3% is what I’ve heard…or something like 120/4000

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
2:14 pm

Be scared be very very scared…chumps

Thomas Heyward Jr

September 25th, 2012
2:15 pm

“I see y’all are still harping on taxes. Ezra Klein put forth a post last week that everybody should be forced to read before spouting off about the 47% or effective rates or anything else…”
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FORCED to read a Klein piece?
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Sheesh.
Typical prog statist.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
2:15 pm

Why are you having such a hard time not believing this? It’s hard to admit your baby is not perfect..

Unless it’s something really blatant like two heads or one eye. That sort of thing. Heck, even webbed toes are not that odd.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
2:15 pm

GOP war mongers and moochers

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:16 pm

BRO,

Only a rats ass? Considering the source…I climbed K-2, dated Jamie Lee Curtis, had out of wedlock baby with Jen Anniston…please believe me…

Paul

September 25th, 2012
2:16 pm

RB from Gwinnett

“I didn’t write the code, Paul, but if you expect me to not take full advantage of it, you are an idiot. ”

I can always count on you to avoid the larger issues and what you’ve said about others of lesser means following the law and instead launching a personal attack.

The $13K

’cause it’s strictly a result of your decision to spend whatever you want of your income on a house and pay the tax rate for that area. It’s just another cost you choose to incur with your disposable income.

Mick

September 25th, 2012
2:16 pm

rb

13k in property taxes? Damn, that is high, you have my sympathy…thanks to charlie crist, we have tax portability here in florida, so when I sell and buy another home, my low tax rate goes with me…

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
2:16 pm

Send Dick Cheney as a gift to Iran

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:17 pm

TAXPAYER,

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt..

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:17 pm

FORCED to read a Klein piece?

that’s pretty mild compared to what I was suggesting earlier. I’d take that deal if I were you.

Jerome Horwitz

September 25th, 2012
2:18 pm

Always was a Jamie Lee – Is she as hot in person?

Paul

September 25th, 2012
2:18 pm

stands

“suggesting that his living in a foreign country as child or visiting his dad aides his foreign policy experience is…well silly..

I disagree; I think the time you spend in real-life situations (and I will include Mitt’s mission work in France, here) in other countries provides invaluable balance when weighing decisions that might affect those countries; it also provides you with insight in how other people cope with problems we might face.”

Yeah, but does the same principle regarding foreign policy expertise apply to time spent in a foxhole, hmmmmm?

paulo 977

September 25th, 2012
2:18 pm

US in UK…..”You’re actually PROUD of crap like this, RB?”
____________________________________

From GWINNETT ya know!!!!!!!!

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
2:19 pm

“Bozo doesn’t seem to be very interested. Appearances on the View with all of this liberal sycophants are more important”

How sad it must be to have to think in binary. If Mitt does an interview, does that mean he can’t do anything else? Well, for Democrats, it doesn’t work that way.

“Taking off for Vegas for a fund raising event the day after 9/11″

This has been debunked several times on this site. Why are you still telling this lie?

“No wonder the Muslim world views him as an empty suit.”

Link for this? Or are you lying because you have nothing true to say?

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:19 pm

rb

13k in property taxes? Damn, that is high

meh, I assume the lion’s share of that is on rental properties, which he probably sucks at managing finds challenging to make profitable in this economy.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 25th, 2012
2:19 pm

Robme is a commie

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:20 pm

FORCED to read a Klein piece?
.
Sheesh.
Typical prog statist.

Yeah right. I bet if Ron Paul made a speech today extolling the virtues of that piece, you’d be the first one here preaching how everybody needs to read it. You need to grow the hell up, for real.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:21 pm

ITS ALL BUSHES..

I suggest we drop a few thousand Crips, Bloods and the big time Mexican gang…into Tehran…seasoned with another thousand or so redneck NRA members…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
2:22 pm

But he didn’t stop there. Ryan actually tried to draw a line between the replacement refs and President Obama.

“And you know what, it reminds me of President Obama and the economy,” he contended. “If you can’t get it right, it is time to get out. I half think these refs work part-time for the Obama administration in the Budget Office. They see the national debt clock staring them in the face. They see a debt crisis, and they just ignore and pretend it didn’t even happen. They are trying to pick the winners and losers, and they don’t even do that very well.”

Geez….

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:22 pm

JEROME,

You have no idea…of course, she was better looking when I was…getting the biscuit..

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
2:22 pm

Stevie Ray,

And Independents isn’t just for Republicans any more.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
2:23 pm

K71 — “So, it appears that most of the posters on this liberal lovefest are OK with Iran having a nuke.”

Lie.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
2:23 pm

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
2:13 pm
So, it appears that most of the posters on this liberal lovefest are OK with Iran having a nuke.
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That’s what you get out of all the posts today?

Good Lord…did your momma drop you on your head MORE than once?

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

TaxPayer

Thanks for that link, as I had not read that one. It’s funny how people try to play the victim when they’re the one reaping all the benefits.

—————

Stevie Ray

Ok, considering the source, let’s upgrade it to a flying dead rat’s ass. I’m tired of whiney people. If making 6-figure incomes will turn me into somebody like RB, hell I’d rather be broke. Just goes to show that money can not buy happiness as some of the people who position themselves as having substantial means are some of the most hateful and grumpy people here.

As to you dating Jamie Lee… That was only after I broke up with her several times. ;)

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

PAUL,

Obama probably doesnt remember his time there…Romney was there to sell religion…not sure I agree with this type experience being useful…perhaps empathy but not useful in a policy making sense..

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
2:25 pm

What’s unspoken so far is the opportunity we (the free world) squandered when the people of Iran were in a peaceful uprising against their govt and we (the free world) did nothing of consequence…at least of face value..I hope we at least tried something covert to help the Iranian peeps

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Yeah, but does the same principle regarding foreign policy expertise apply to time spent in a foxhole, hmmmmm?

dunno. I wasn’t one who was slamming him for avoiding the draft, actually. Had I a choice between living a bit rough in France and playing “friend or foe” in a SE Asian rice paddy, I think I’d go with the former.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

GG — “That’s what you get out of all the posts today?”

“Good Lord…did your momma drop you on your head MORE than once?”

By his logic, it’s perfectly cool with cons that North Korea has the bomb. After all, none of them ever MENTION it, let alone complain about it.

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
2:27 pm

What Bozo should have said…..

“We have suffered the gravest attack on our sovereignty since 9/11 with the killing of our ambassador and three other Americans. We view this as an act that borders on war with the offending country. There is little doubt that the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood were well aware of this and other provocations that they have promoted. The Muslim world is put on notice that any other acts of this nature will result in the most profound and harsh retaliation that we can muster. We are the most giving and compassionate country on earth but our patience is wearing dangerously thin. We are Israel’s most loyal ally and will stand by her and the Jews for as long as it takes to protect her and her people. Make no mistake like this in the future or pay the price.”

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:28 pm

BRO,

Anyone on this post submitting salary, taxes, cash purchase of a Hummer whatever, are likely insecure and if being truthful, are merely defining themselves by their money or job…I paid a lot of money to learn that:-)

As far as Jamie Lee, I did note she was….how shall I say…formerly tow-up…

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
2:28 pm

“I suggest we drop a few thousand Crips, Bloods and the big time Mexican gang…into Tehran…seasoned with another thousand or so redneck NRA members…”

Don’t forget the Hell’s Angels!

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:28 pm

Obama probably doesnt remember his time there

He remembers that Fido-kabobs are tough.

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:29 pm

By his logic, it’s perfectly cool with cons that North Korea has the bomb. After all, none of them ever MENTION it, let alone complain about it.

It’s all about the drama leading up to them getting it. After a country has the capability, then it’s out of sight and out of mind. You don’t need to mention NK either as Pakistan has the capability as well, and I think Pakistan is a bit more of a problem than NK right now.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:29 pm

KAYAKER,

Imagine that…i guess he has a hard time without pre-pared material…he’s just hurting himself on extemporaneous musings..

Doggone/GA

September 25th, 2012
2:31 pm

“This has been debunked several times on this site. Why are you still telling this lie?”

First rule of the conned: NEVER let a good lie die

Brosephus™

September 25th, 2012
2:31 pm

Stevie Ray

I haven’t had the chance to meet Jamie Lee in person, but I can personally attest to the beauty and hotness that is Demi Moore.

HDB

September 25th, 2012
2:31 pm

Part of the problem is the realization that problems in the Middle East is of the Allies’ making! From the installation of the Shah of Iran to the installation of Saddam Hussein as a buffer when the Shah was overthrown to OUR overthrowing of Saddam……the Middle East has been a powderkeg with no plausible solution! Much of this is also tribal in nature….with many different Arabic factions….and the question we have yet to solve is this: How can we mediate all factions while simultaneously keeping the Israelis at bay?? When that occurs, Iran’s threat of a nuclear weapon will be mitigated by the strength of those who’d oppose it, i.e., the REST of the Arab world. The US wouldn’t have to disarm the Iranians alone…….

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
2:31 pm

K71 — “What Bozo should have said…..”

Tell you what. Head on over there and tell them that yourself. Let us know how that works out, if you’re still able to afterwards.

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
2:33 pm

We are Israel’s most loyal ally and will stand by her and the Jews for as long as it takes to protect her and her people. And it inexplicable that the Democrats always trounce us at the polls regarding Jewish voters. (We pretend that we don’t know why.)

Paul

September 25th, 2012
2:35 pm

stevie ray

This whole ‘experience’ thing – even with foreign policy, is, I think, fodder for blogs and nothing more.

Once they get sworn in, the president seems to get hit full force with a bunch of new information (first full-blown national security brief) regarding threats and, before foreign contacts, hours of briefings on “this is what US policy has been thru succeeding administrations and these are our interests and this is how the following options will play.”

And those guys have turned out to be pretty quick studies.

Rightwing Troll

September 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

I could care less if Iran has a nuke. I’m more concerned about giving Mittens the keys to the nukes…

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
2:37 pm

JamVet, 2:33,

The defense of Israel is not a partisan issue, except with Bozo and the boys. Bozo doesn’t have much affection of the Jews.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
2:38 pm

stands

That was more a poke at one of our now-infrequent fellow bloggers. I figured if I posted that his sixth sense, honed by years of living in life-or-death situations and having to make instant command and control decision affecting peoples’ lives would kick in and we’d again be blessed by his presence and insight.

Okay, so I’m a little bored….

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:39 pm

Bozo doesn’t have much affection of the Jews.

I guess that’s why he made a former IDF volunteer his chief of staff.

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
2:39 pm

rightwint troll, 2:36,

Your concern for Israel overwhelms me.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

September 25th, 2012
2:39 pm

Kayaker@2:27 – I would like to think what you said is correct, but the current administration will probably continue to give verbal or written warnings(sanctions) to our enemies. It seems like the execution of the ambassador and the 3 other Americans have already been forgotten by the Obama people. They say it is just the cost of doing business with the Muslim countries?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
2:41 pm

kayaker 71

September 25th, 2012
2:37 pm
JamVet, 2:33,

The defense of Israel is not a partisan issue, except with Bozo and the boys. Bozo doesn’t have much affection of the Jews.

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Double piffle with whipped cream on top.

Paul

September 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

kayaker 71

“What Bozo should have said…..”

If past performance is any indication of future performance, I’d guess his aides are already preparing the latest ‘kill list” and NSA’s been sifting thru the info to hand off to the drone pilots.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

Oy.

A word to the wise–you do NOT want to google “jews in Obama cabinent.”

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

Bozo doesn’t have much affection of the Jews.

Opinions are not facts.

And Jews know it.

That is why 78% of them voted for Obama in 2008 and 22% for McCain. (Ouch.)

Which is one percentage point lower than the historical average over the past 80 years…

Regnad Kcin

September 25th, 2012
2:43 pm

Yakker – you would seriously have the President of the United States to pledge to protect the Jews? WTH? Not Israel, but the Jews? Will you volunteer to go to Iran to determine which people are Jews, before we bomb?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

Stevie, I still have not seen facts that you claim I must dispute. Let me help your comprehension. Fact: It is currently 77 degree F at the airport.
Fact: That is a 747
Fact: Obama won the 2008 presidential election
Not Fact: He said X and everyone lost their willingness to compromise and work with him.
Not Fact: Y told me that X said Z. Therefore Z is true. [That's called hearsay]

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

Bozo doesn’t have much affection of the Jews.

_______

Not an accurate statement. Obama has nothing against the Jews. He has not changed our policy toward Israel at all. Same policy since 1948.

hamiltonAZ

September 25th, 2012
2:46 pm

Jay,
You got a shout-out in the Denver Post a day or two ago: Here’s the note:

“Amazingly accurate opinion piece.
I have no idea of the reliability of the contributor, however they are 100% right when they say that unless the Republicans adapt to the demographic changes in the U.S., they are doomed to a generation of obscurity.” http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2 … -politics/

Read more: Editorial: Romney’s “47 percent” comment was no gaffe – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/romney/ci_21574251/editorial-gaffe-by-romney-no-he-meant-it#ixzz27VfkIN14

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 25th, 2012
2:52 pm

“Obama to UN: US will ‘do what we must’ to stop Iran nukes”

Does this mean he advocates military action ?

Some of you libs. on here better call him quick.

That sounds like war talk to me ………….. oh, my !

Paul

September 25th, 2012
2:53 pm

HDB

Yes, we’ve made some grave miscalculations in the past, but other factors do come into play. Briefly, none of the other states – such as Saudi Arabia or Kuwait – want to be front and center on this. Second, there are a lot of other factors the social science/political science folks have spent a lot of time on – pretty much, the Muslim world is at a low point culturally, politically, influentially, and this results in some pretty tough identity issues and plays out in the kind of extremism we see.

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
2:54 pm

That sounds like war talk to me

Ask Osama bin Laden.

(The guy that your candyass candidate would not even have gone after!)

The war weary GOP went soft on terrorism on January 21, 2009!

Don Abernethy

September 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

Unless we can get someone to loan us the money we can’t fight any war.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

What Obama Should Have Said..

“I promised in 2008 that I would go sit down with Iran’s leaders and hash these issues out…”

Is that being redundant..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
2:57 pm

Oh no, Senior Digits has noticed that Obama is not apologizing. Days late, dollars short. :lol:

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
2:58 pm

KEEP,

Right…so if a meeting took place on x day at x time, and what took place is not disputed by anyone in attendence or any reporting on same based on sources in attendence…is that not a fact..

Ever take Philosophy & Logic?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
3:00 pm

DON,

Great point…perhaps we can get china…oops they support Iran..Russia to lend us…ooops, they support Iran..geez, seems like our deficit is our most significant security risk…

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
3:00 pm

OT but…China launches its first aircraft carrier..14yrs in the making….a toy compared to ours but a carrier nonetheless

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14092055-china-brings-its-first-aircraft-carrier-into-service-joining-9-nation-club?chromedomain=worldnews&lite

John 12202012 Birch

September 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

What he said was, “when I’m President I’ll send two more brigades (about 5000 troops) into Afghanistan.”
What he meant to say was, after I get the Ned Beatty speech from the powers that be I’ll send 50,000 troops into Afghanistan to get killed and maimed so General Dynamics will have some more profits.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

September 25th, 2012
3:06 pm

JOHNBIRCH,

That gets a huruumph! We have to make sure that campaign cash keeps flowing baby!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

so if a meeting took place on x day at x time, and what took place is not disputed by anyone in attendence or any reporting on same based on sources in attendence

Your density clouds your logic.
Fact: A meeting took place on x day at x time
Fact: This statement was made
Not Fact: Because of Y’s unreasonableness, X’s statement caused Y’s motives and reactions which would have been different if X statement had not been made.

Try again, punkin. Interpretations, alleged motivations, and claims that a reaction is based on X, etc. are NOT fact.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Jm

September 25th, 2012
3:11 pm

Sober.

Let’s be sober.

$16 trillion in debt means we must stop running deficits period

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

E. Cat, here is the Wiki page for that carrier if you would like to know more about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

getalife

September 25th, 2012
3:16 pm

money boo boo’s solution to the word’s problems is…………….

Free enterprise of course.

That and tax cuts and no regulations are their only ideas.

If you are not rich, die.

John 12202012 Birch

September 25th, 2012
3:16 pm

What he said was, “we need to pass this bill to keep unemployment below 8%.”
What he meant to say was, unemployment will never be below 8% while I’m President, but I’ll use some funny government accounting to claim I created 4.6M jobs even though there were 1.1M less people working January 1, 2012 than there were January 1, 2009!

getalife

September 25th, 2012
3:17 pm

world’s problems.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

What he said was, “we need to pass this bill to keep unemployment below 8%.”

Never let a good lie die.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

Sober?

Yeah, good idea.

Sure, raise taxes on the rich.

You cut the deficit from $1.3 Trillion to $1.2 Trillion.

Now what are you going to do?

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
3:19 pm

After Money Boo Boo loses the upcoming election, he can get a job as a FoxConn executive in China…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
3:19 pm

John 12202012 Birch

September 25th, 2012
3:16 pm
What he said was, “we need to pass this bill to keep unemployment below 8%.”

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Somebody has been taking fake quote lessoms from JKL2.

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

Now what are you going to do

_____

Cut defense, medicare, medicade and social security expenses.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
3:26 pm

The NFL is an example of old fat white mens greed.

They are the owners yet they can not resists signing players for 100s of millions, knowing they are busting there budgets.

They are risking their brand over paying the Refs chump change. Spite, greed, asshateness?

They have not solved their problems for months now.

SOCIALISM TODAY, SOCIALISM TOMORROW, SOCIALISM FOREVER!
Nationalize the NFL. Pay these asshats for their teams. Rehire the Refs tonite.

Oscar

September 25th, 2012
3:28 pm

skydog

September 25th, 2012
3:26 pm

_________

I agree. Embracing insanity would be a solution.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 25th, 2012
3:34 pm

Nationalize the NFL. Pay these asshats for their teams. Rehire the Refs tonite.

Well, I think the NFL is on to something with hiring these refs. Sooner or later we can set thru 5 minutes of commercials and then the refs can tell us who won. We all can be spared alot of worry and rooting. I just hope they don’t check that ref’s banking account this a.m. He had his arms up to signal a touchdown before anybody could check on that pile of players in the end zone,.

It all gives new meaning to “Who you gonna beleive, your lyin’ eyes or us?”

skydog

September 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Why isn`t the media camp outside these owners offices every morning asking, “Why are you doing this Author?” The $500 a week? Spite? Are you just dumb?

Come on media folks. I know this would mean getting up early and some leg work, but WTF?

Jm

September 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Oscar 3:24

Bad evil republican

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

They are risking their brand over paying the Refs chump change.

skydog

The sticking issue seems to be the pension plan for the refs.

But Scott Green, the referee who’s head of the NFL Referees Association, says there’s one proposal above all others that he and his colleagues can’t manage to swallow: the league wants to freeze their long-running pension plans and switch them to less attractive 401(k)-style retirement plans.

“The key is the pension issue,” Green told HuffPost, adding that the pensions have been around since the mid-1970s. “A lot of our guys have made life-career decisions based on assuming that pension would be there.”

getalife

September 25th, 2012
3:41 pm

romney’s stump speech insult the voter’s intelligence with nothing but lies.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 25th, 2012
3:43 pm

rumor has it…..
Ryan calls Romney “stench” and Romney calls Ryan “gilligan”

and yet, confidence is high

getalife

September 25th, 2012
3:44 pm

The greedy owners don’t want to pay their pensions.

Greedy people ruin everything.

cons love them .

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

JHM
from the story it was a long and hard journey to get her to China…Funny (sorta) how it was bought and where it ultimately ended up and how it’s being used now compared to the floating casino it was originally intended….I’d have to believe it is now what it was always intended to be

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

Obama wants regular football refs back. Fox Headline: Obama Wants To Fire Workers And Replace Them With Union Thugs

Heh, heh, heh.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

I hear you and the problem Kam. My industry, construction, used to fight safety polices tooth and nail because they were expensive. After years of paying million dollar law suits they relented and the industry is better by far.

The owners are so insulated from reality it will take a player getting killed for them to do anything. And then it won`t be for the player, but the $$$$.

There are reports that 1 billion dollars changed hand last night due to the bad call ($150,000,000 Vegas)
Since this is nothing off of the owners hide, they don`t care.

Eminent Domain their azz.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

Gilligan! Drop those coconuts!

–Mitt Romney

–clattering, clunking noises–

–Paul Ryan

getalife

September 25th, 2012
3:48 pm

jm,

Stand up for the greedy NFL owners.

You are slipping.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

E. Cat — “from the story it was a long and hard journey to get her to China…Funny (sorta) how it was bought and where it ultimately ended up and how it’s being used now compared to the floating casino it was originally intended….I’d have to believe it is now what it was always intended to be”

I understand that the Russians didn’t want to sell the Chinese the equipment to outfit her with arresting gear (the gadgetry that enables aircraft to make safe carrier landings without flying off the deck), so I’m not clear on whether or not she’s actually going to have aircraft assigned aboard or not. I suppose she could be equipped with helos, though, even if she can’t carry fighters, bombers or surveillance aircraft.

I expect if we got a good look at what kind of aircraft she’s got assigned, then we would have a good idea of what kind of role she will have in the Chinese Navy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

skydog

My industry — new home construction — subbed out everything so the builders weren’t liable.

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

Stand up for the greedy NFL owners

I’ve heard that the refs compensation is @ $150k/yr and a lifetime $60k/yr pension…not bad for 6 mos of work…

skydog

September 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Jay, can I borrow your press pass in the morning? I`ll go ask Author WTF?.
I have a pin stripped suit and a Clark Gable glue on mustache.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2012
3:57 pm

Leave it to Amanda Marcotte to cut through the BS (i.e., Mitt’s dumb remarks about the need for windows that open on pressurized aircraft) and get to the important stuff.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/25/stupid-wife-jokes-are-sadly-the-least-stupid-thing-romney-has-said/

This is Romney trotting out a weird right wing talking point that has been pushed by folks like Rush Limbaugh since at least the Clinton era:

“Well we do provide care for people who don’t have insurance. If someone has a heart attack, they don’t sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care.”

This statement is idiotic coming from any random person, but it’s particularly stupid coming from someone whose wife has a chronic illness, as Ann Romney does. The notion that the only medical care people really need is the kind you get in emergency rooms should fold the second you give a moment’s thought to it. Does the E.R. have “emergency” chemo for your cancer? Do they have “emergency” insulin for you diabetes? Is Romney really saying that the “best” solution for any state is to let diabetics only get care if they go into a diabetic coma?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

But in this case, employees are squaring off with an ownership that doesn’t pretend to be under financial duress. According to Forbes, the average NFL team is now worth $1.1 billion, up 7 percent over the previous year.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:01 pm

cat,

There ya go.

Attack the workers.

You are not slipping.

Grob Hahn

September 25th, 2012
4:01 pm

There is every possibility that initiating a genuine war with Iran will touch off a substantial uprising in the US. The reason for this is that the US has been avoiding the draft by screwing American servicepeople into extended and repeated tours. In addition, the US is putting people into the desert with guns who are not originally trained for it such as sailors. All of this to avoid a political career killing, but necessary draft. I say necessary because a war with Iran will not have Americans lining up to enlist. Even raiding the prisons will not be enough (likely less than 1/4 of all troops).

War with Iran means men and women will be drafted, there is numerically no other way. So who will it really serve? The families of the military personnel being sacrificed? Not likely.
Grobbbbbbbbbbb

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:12 pm

They talked about this play all day on ESPN and the only ones that said they made the right call are the NFL.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
4:16 pm

…and the 4th and 30 call the play before was just as bad.

This is like a number going out on a Wall Street Street board and them not fixing it. Oh that blank number? It was a 5. Electricians are very expensive you know.

Erwin's cat

September 25th, 2012
4:22 pm

JHM…from what I can tell they just got a hull…no engines, electronics and props etc

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 25th, 2012
4:23 pm

The NFL owners will ruin their product rather than pony up and pay for quality.

Skyboxification of the sport, ticket/concession prices through the roof, pampered, pouty, players….

When will the fans say, enough is enough?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:25 pm

We have to play the Packers at Green Bay.

It will be enough for Saints and the refs.

Woodstock Mike

September 25th, 2012
4:32 pm

Socialism really working out great over in Spain!! I can picture Democrats doing the exact same thing here in America. It’s coming soon…

saywhat?

September 25th, 2012
4:32 pm

At least if Romney wins, and we DO go to war against Iran, our new commander in chief will make sure that all of fighter aircraft will have roll down windows and our submarines will be outfitted with screen doors.

Woodstock Mike

September 25th, 2012
4:33 pm

“War with Iran means men and women will be drafted, there is numerically no other way. So who will it really serve? The families of the military personnel being sacrificed? Not likely”

Ground troops are not as necessary in modern warfare. No draft coming unless we get invaded which isn’t possible.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
4:34 pm

ohuuu – them Packers is going to be double mad – getalife

0-4? There is salvation in the Falcon Nation get? We don`t ask for Gov`t ID to join.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:35 pm

Mike,

If it comes here it will be because of greed and the wealthy control all the wealth.

Nice job Mike.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2012
4:37 pm

Are these power windows? – Mitt’s Musings from 50,000 ft.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:38 pm

sky,

We are the aint’s again. Brown sacks over our heads because we have the worst defense in football.

The Falcons look good this year. I hope the Falcons win it this year.

That Black Guy

September 25th, 2012
4:40 pm

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
12:06 am
Fred

Not sure if you are interested, but Bro, TBG and myself are trying to meet up for a few beers in the next week or so.
_____________________________________________
AWWWWW MANNNNNNN! TBS, you know Fred gone get us arrested. :lol:

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
4:41 pm

“Ground troops are not as necessary in modern warfare.”

Depends on the mission. If you just want to bomb Iran, of course we can do a lot of damage. Without boots on the ground or supporting of internal or other external boots on the ground, that will make regime change much more difficult.

All depends on the mission and long term goals if boots are necessary or not. Doesn’t mean the strategy will work regardless of boots or not, but boots are still an integral part of war fare.

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
4:43 pm

TBG

What up? Look for the potential means of exit before sitting down and getting comfortable.

:-)

That Black Guy

September 25th, 2012
4:43 pm

Fred ™

September 25th, 2012
12:14 am
They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
12:06 am

Fred

Not sure if you are interested, but Bro, TBG and myself are trying to meet up for a few beers in the next week or so.
+++++++++++++++++++

Sure.
___________________________
Let me get my bail money together.

Fred, leave the brass knuckles at home. :lol:

skydog

September 25th, 2012
4:46 pm

get,

I respected the brown bags at the time. Our teams were just as bad and we had been doing it(bad) longer, but we sat there and let the whole world see how dumb we looked when it was 55-0 and Jerry Rice just scored again.

Y`all will be all right. The defense showed signs of life last Sunday. I was a (offshore fan last week) if you know what I mean?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:46 pm

Did y’all invite Jay?

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
4:46 pm

Jay

Big favor. If you see this message, please send Fred my email address.

Thank you, kind sir.

Fred

Let me know if you get it so we can correspond off line as to where and when we will be meeting.

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
4:47 pm

getalife

We have not, but we could.

Too bad, you are down on the bayou.

John 12202012 Birch

September 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

There was a bad intereference call on like 3rd and 5 on the previous Packer drive that led to the go ahead TD instead of a punt. Just another example of how unions are destroying America. BTW when will the American taxpayers get their money back from GM?

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
4:50 pm

When will the fans say, enough is enough?

This one has. It’s been years since I had more than the smallest passing interest.

The NFL blows. If it went away forever, I would be barely notice…

Jm

September 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

Getalife

I don’t care about the NFL

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

John Birch

When is the taxpayer getting the money back from the Iraq war that Wolfowitz claimed would cost 50B and most paid for by oil revenues?

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:52 pm

skydog,

Time to rebuild.

Our players have grey hair.

Even Brees is having a bad year because our receivers drop the ball.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
4:53 pm

E. Cat — “JHM…from what I can tell they just got a hull…no engines, electronics and props etc”

That’s what they bought, but they’ve outfitted her — enough for sea trials — since then. She was out to sea back last June IIRC. She was spotted by some kind of commercial landsat and a picture of her way out in the middle of nowhere made the rounds of the internet.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
4:55 pm

Well get, you could have Bobby Herbet and there would not be any balls to drop.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
4:55 pm

“Too bad, you are down on the bayou.”

JamVet and Bruno would go if there was music.

Perhaps skydog’s next gig.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
4:55 pm

Mike — “Ground troops are not as necessary in modern warfare. No draft coming unless we get invaded which isn’t possible.”

If your objective is to take and hold territory, you can’t do it without boots on the ground.

b-troll

September 25th, 2012
5:00 pm

Georgians: send your kid to GA Tech. Period.

Which colleges help grads snare top salaries?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/which-colleges-help-grads-snare-top-salaries-2012-09-25-121034742?link=SM_hp_ls1e

Among many folks who fixate on big-name northeastern liberal-arts schools, the Georgia Institute of Technology flies under the reputational radar. Even its president, G.P. Peterson, goes by the unassuming, guy-next-door nickname of “Bud.” But based on our Payback Score, the school deserves a higher profile — and some bragging rights. After all, it’s offering the best academic deal in America.

saywhat?

September 25th, 2012
5:01 pm

“If your objective is to take and hold territory, you can’t do it without boots on the ground”
__________________________________________
Sure you can. With tax cuts!

skydog

September 25th, 2012
5:06 pm

Yeah Great Idea Get,

Fred, alcohol, 5 or 6 smart azzes egging him on and a 800 watt sound system. What could go wrong?

Let`s pick a community without a SWAT team.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
5:10 pm

skydog,

Make sure to get the video and they all have to do three shots of Jager :)

weetamoe

September 25th, 2012
5:13 pm

Obama rang the Pavlovian bell with his disingenuous remark about *if Governor Romney is suggesting…* though there was nothing in Romney’s remarks that one could honestly interpret as a desire for war. However, if you are not appalled by the astonishing ignorance revealed in Obama’s address to the UN , then we are truly in an emperor’s new clothes* nightmare.

Jm

September 25th, 2012
5:13 pm

Ralph Nader: Obama is a war criminal

Run Nader run

Joe Hussein Mama

September 25th, 2012
5:14 pm

saywhat? — “Sure you can. With tax cuts!”

LMAO :D

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
5:15 pm

To make it interesting, Nader should run.

Romney might need all the help he can get.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
5:15 pm

SWAT teams even provide air footage get.

My money is on Fred during the hostage negotiations. Surely Mr Digets and LT Tom will come to our rescue.

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

Jm

Email Romney and Ryan some debate tips. Appears they both probably need a knockout to win this things.

Halftrack

September 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

I would believe a guy that said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map and do damage to the U.S. as well. We cannot ignore such a person. History will only repeat itself. Obummer’s policies are only appeasement policies that enable our enemies to take higher risks everyday. Obummer’s administration doesn’t know a terrorist attack from a hole in the ground. Go figure?

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

tireofit

September 25th, 2012
5:19 pm

b-troll
September 25th, 2012
5:00 pm

Georgians: send your kid to GA Tech. Period.

Which colleges help grads snare top salaries?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/which-colleges-help-grads-snare-top-salaries-2012-09-25-121034742?link=SM_hp_ls1e

Among many folks who fixate on big-name northeastern liberal-arts schools, the Georgia Institute of Technology flies under the reputational radar. Even its president, G.P. Peterson, goes by the unassuming, guy-next-door nickname of “Bud.” But based on our Payback Score, the school deserves a higher profile — and some bragging rights. After all, it’s offering the best academic deal in America.

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So true, my son graduated a year and a half ago. He had a job in December before he graduated. He is living in Austin, TX and has a great job. GT degree and a high GPA and you are golden.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 25th, 2012
5:20 pm

Jay

If you keep this thread up much longer NOBODY will be sober.

It’s happy hour yanno.

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS

:-)

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
5:26 pm

Ralph Nader: Obama is a war criminal

Yep. Four year old news.

Ralph Nader is not running this time but supports Rocky Anderson. As do I.

The only mayor of a major American city who called for the impeachment of George Bush.

JKL2

September 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

How many war’s do you have to start before they take away your Nobel Peace Prize?

Old Goober

September 25th, 2012
5:29 pm

I’ll help underwrite any trip that skydog takes. I live about 1/3 mile from that BBQ joint he plays at in Roswell, and I could clearly hear the “music” from my back yard without spending a penny.

Orange12

September 25th, 2012
5:34 pm

“The NFL blows. If it went away forever, I would be barely notice…”

Concur, but where would the “blue chippers” go after college ball?

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
5:38 pm

Concur, but where would the “blue chippers” go after college ball?

Good question.

Maybe like tens of thousands of other students, they should have applied themselves to learned something employable, especially as they were on full scholarships! (And many do…)

Rocky Anderson has stated that Obama is “the least deserving recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in the history of the Nobel Peace Prize.”

Damn straight and a blight on that prestigious organization…

DannyX

September 25th, 2012
5:39 pm

“Concur, but where would the “blue chippers” go after college ball?”

Hold on there Orange12…..

Are you saying you support socialist college football over the capitalist professional league?

Orange21 is a big government loving socialist.

getalife

September 25th, 2012
5:39 pm

BBQ, music, bloggers and booze.

Sounds like a party.

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
5:41 pm

“Orange21 is a big government loving socialist.”

There are many of them. They are just unwilling to admit it. All depends of how you define big government and which program as to when they cry socialism or promote it

getalife

September 25th, 2012
5:42 pm

The salary cap is wealth distribution and socialism builds those stadiums.

JamVet

September 25th, 2012
5:44 pm

getalife

September 25th, 2012
5:49 pm

trump sued the NFL for antitrust and the owners ended up getting one dollar.

Then his USFL folded because the owners listened to trump.

Fatal error.

Welcome to the Occupation

September 25th, 2012
5:51 pm

By the way, if kayaker is still around, you might want to reconsider your scornful remarks above about a “liberal lovefest” over the ability to live with an Iran with nukes, as this is hardly what I’d call a liberal lovefest when by all accounts it is the overwhelming consensus within Israel as well, namely of large sections of the security apparatus and military.

skydog

September 25th, 2012
5:51 pm

Old Goober — Come on down some night Gobber. We got a tambourine with your name on it. Last Fri. a mystery harmonica player got up. The man could play.

Jay

September 25th, 2012
5:52 pm

“Rocky Anderson has stated that Obama is “the least deserving recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in the history of the Nobel Peace Prize.”

I’d be tempted to agree with that sentiment, except for two words: Yasser Arafat.

Jay

September 25th, 2012
5:53 pm

Oh, and sheets!

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 25th, 2012
5:55 pm

Liberal Media Sheets LOL

Goin' Down

September 25th, 2012
5:56 pm

Have to agree with Jay at 5:52……Yasser the Disaster.

Fact

September 25th, 2012
6:11 pm

Bookman is a joke. Four Americans died from Obama’s neglect. Between 35 and 45 people have died as a result of the protests. Maybe Obama considers them “bumps in the road.”

That Black Guy

September 25th, 2012
7:11 pm

They BOTH suck

September 25th, 2012
4:43 pm
TBG

What up? Look for the potential means of exit before sitting down and getting comfortable.
_________________________
Good idea.

But I just entered “Free at Last” bailbonds into speed dial just in case. :lol:

independent thinker

September 25th, 2012
10:19 pm

In 1981 Israel blew up and destroyed the Iraqi nuclear reactor after Iran attempted to do so. Iranians were very appreciative. Uncle Ronnie protested and backed a UN resolution condemning Israel. In the 1990 and 2003 Iraqi wars there was no threat of Iraqi nuclear weapons to US troops due to Israel.
Now, today, the current government in Iraq has the gall to ask Israel to pay sanctions for the destroyed reactor that Israel blew up based on that UN resolution condemning Israel.. Go figure. Only in the Middle East!

lovelyliz

September 26th, 2012
10:53 am

As long as the military industrial complex can engorge itself at the tax payer$ trough at the expense of the lives of our soldier and innocent Iranian men, women and children, what’s the downside for the chickenhawks?