Romney agrees: Tax code too easy on those in his bracket

And he wants to make it easier! Sheeesh!!

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Clearly this is the verifiable evidence from Mitt regarding specific changes he has planned for the tax code–a reduction in the charitable contribution deduction. Perhaps limiting such deductions only to those made to the Mormon Church.

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Stop it, this is hard!

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And from what i hear, the day after the election, win or lose, he can file an amendment to the taxes and get his 10.4% again…A political ploy and a not so subtle one at that.

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Soooo… The liberal hack, Jay, says that Romney doesn’t pay enough in taxes. When Romney voluntarily pays extra, Jay makes a controversy out of it. Thumbs up, Jay. You’re a great American!

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This is just another example of Romney talking out of both sides of his mouth. I just can’t trust him because I truly do not know where he stands on anything.

Although I know I’m not going to vote for Romney I do try to look at all of the factors I can to see how trustworthy someone is. But I also look at who they will be working with or against once that person becomes President. Back in 2000 I really trusted W when he said he was a compasionate conservative and his record in Texas seemed to show that. But when I looked at the fact that he would have a Republic House & Senate I knew that even though he might turn out to be who he said he was, the Congress would run him over. And they did.

So I see the same thing from Mitt, I have that same fear given that this new crop of Republic members are even more radical then that bunch 12 years ago. He won’t be able to control his party, they will run him over and that will do real harm to this country.

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All right, enough with the tax rate envy. You know how such talk upsets the Republicans.

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Bear in mind that Romney can change the “error” in his 2011 tax form after the election, erasing the 14.1 tax rate to it’s actual 10.4 rate. So, this is just an accounting gimmick to convince Americans that Romney is paying his fair share of taxes. But still-14.1% when working Americans are paying over 20%? Romney and his ilk are the real freeloaders, not hardworking Americans.

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sfd

Sure it is. But it still forms the basis of Republican defense of the wealthy against any tax increases.

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Where are the usual CON-trarians? This is unique!

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I would have paid 10.4%. He was going to get criticized no matter what he did, because the rate was going to be lower than what most folks expect. At least you don’t look like you’re patronizing people.

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Taxing those in Romney’s tax bracket even 40% will do little to nothing to bring our debt and our runaway spending under control. Our problem is not Romney’s tax bracket….. it’s this insane spending that Democrats think they have to perpetuate. You must not have taken a good look at our debt clock lately. Our gross debt/ GDP ratio is at 104%. Our domestic growth is stuck at 1.7% and, despite our stock market booming, is not expected to rise much above that in the near future. We are spending way more than we are taking in. The credit cards are maxed and all liberals want to do is to open new ones. In short, we are broke but spending like we have a surplus. This can’t last. It is insane.

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At least you don’t look like you’re patronizing people.

Somehow I think the Romneys are well beyond worrying about such things at this point.

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Republican true philosophy for all to see and understand; cut medicare and social security so the wealthiest among us don’t have to pay more taxes, a pathetic joke and the water carriers will make this election close…

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Truth

“The liberal hack, Jay, says that Romney doesn’t pay enough in taxes. ”

No, what he said was, we can infer from Romney’s actions that Romney thinks the tax code requires too little from him.

“If actions speak louder than words, then Mitt Romney agrees with Barack Obama that the federal tax code requires too little of rich people like himself.”

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I have never understood
how religious donations
are legal under the
Constitution or how they
are charitable.

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All of the money he earned was from investments. What type of investments? I’m in the wrong biz!!

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barking frog

” or how they
are charitable.”

You may want to ask that of getalife when he shows up regarding Katrina victims.

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Taxing those in Romney’s tax bracket even 40% will do little to nothing to bring our debt and our runaway spending under control.

Because according to RepubliMath, 40%-14.1% = 0.

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You liberals are so predictable. Did any of you check John Kerry’s contribution to our federal government? How about that venerable Democrat, John Edwards? Even Slick Willy…… no one bitches about these guys. They are liberals so they don’t count. How about Bill Gates or any of the Waltons? Even old Buffett himself. Does anyone care about the limousine liberals and how much they contribute? Nope. But let a good Republican business man make a few bucks and you are all over him like a bad odor. Bookman is so predictable.

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kayaker 71
September 24th, 2012
9:05 am

Are any of those guys on the ballot in November?

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Paul, 9:00,

More tax revenue is not our problem. The problem is how much we spend. Taxing all of these “rich” people is not going to solve our problem as long as we continue to spend ourselves into the poor house.

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TAXPAYER,

The savings by increasing taxes on the “rich” as proposed will bring in $800 billion over 10 years. Let’s compare that to the $38 Trillion of revenue collected in 10 years…do the math and tell me just how this play is not purely political? It’s 2% to save you trouble of doing the math…

Heck, you realize the cost of Pelosicare to us will soon be $200 plus billion a year? Also, what do you suppose are the chances that $80 billion a year will not simply become leverage to borrow more?

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Romney gave more to charity than Biden and Obama combined. He kept his promise that he would not pay less than 13%. I know that we aren’t used to people keeping promises under the Obama administration, so this may be shocking. However, we are looking at a huge deficit, high unemployment, and a failed foreign policy, and you want to talk about tax returns. Obama’s staff owes back taxes. His treasurer Geithner didn’t pay his taxes. Hypocritical much? Obama used tax loop holes, giving $50,000 to his daughters so he wouldn’t have to pay taxes on that money. We all use loopholes to pay as little as possible. Some Americans pay no income tax. Can you say you gave the same percentage of your income as Romney to charity? If you did, you would probably deduct it. Romney didn’t when he could have. That is honorable. Meanwhile, the middle east crumbles, Obama misses half his intelligence meetings, the economy is failing, and you all ignore it. Amazing.

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To clarify I’m not saying that
churches do not do good
free work just that when
they are allowed by the
government to solicit tax
free funds the government
evades its religious restrictions.

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There’s just nothing else like a good big tax cut for the wealthiest to pay down a trillion dollar war debt or to pay off unfunded tax cuts or to pay off prescription drug company benefits.

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kayaker 71

In case you missed it:

“Taxing those in Romney’s tax bracket even 40% will do little to nothing to bring our debt and our runaway spending under control”

Good morning, and same question to you as to RB from Gwinnett earlier: would you support raising tax rates on the top tier if rates on the middle class were also increased?

Stevie Ray

“Romney paid more than his “fairshare” per the IRS in 2011 and liberals are still bitchn? ”

Again, no. The thread was about if Romney thinks, as demonstrated by his actions, that the current tax structure requires too little of him and other rich people.

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You will have to wait for the RNC to tell us what Romney means when he says something. Stay tuned.

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More tax revenue is not our problem. The problem is how much we spend. Taxing all of these “rich” people is not going to solve our problem as long as we continue to spend ourselves into the poor house.

Brought to you by the people who want to cut tax revenues and spend more on military…. yeah, that’s the solution.

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Dan

Bless your heart.

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KEEP,

Many of us think taxes should be raised (per IRS changes) and spending needs to be cut…please don’t bring all of us down to your level…

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Stevie Ray: “Let me make sure I understand you here…Romney paid more than his “fairshare” per the IRS in 2011 and liberals are still bitchn? He can’t win with you guys..”

What makes you think that a lousy pi$$-ant 14% is a “fair share”?

What a joke!

That amount needs to be tripled. Just for STARTERS.

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Did Romney break any laws? Were there any inconsistencies in Romney’s tax returns? The answer is a resounding NO. Romney used the same tax code that all the rest of use. He played by the same rules that any other person filing a return. If you don’t like what he paid, blame the people in Congress that pass tax laws. Congress could have revised our tax laws gazillions of times in the past several years but have declined to do so. Is that Romney’s fault?

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The Republicans are in the curious position of having to convince the
country that it is in terrible shape, but it is not their fault. In
fact, even though all the economic indicators are improving, Mitt has to
argue that he could somehow do better, even though he would adopt the
same terrible policies that W. did, which got us into this mess to begin
with.But the Republicans can suspend belief on Taxes,Terrorism,Global
Warming, Evolution, and a lot of other issues. So they are practiced in
fairy tales, and some of them will believe it, but not enough to get
Mitt elected.

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How many times does it need to be said? The richest people in America are paying taxes at the lowest level in more than 60 years. Even if we disregard capital gains and other types of taxes, the highest FIT rate has dropped from 91% in 1958 (Eisenhower) to 35% today. Capital gains taxes have dropped from 20% to 15%. In the meantime sales taxes have tripled. Those Americans who supposedly don’t pay taxes are actually paying taxes through the nose. Higher fuel taxes. Higher property taxes. Fees for services that were once free.

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Did Romney break any laws? Were there any inconsistencies in Romney’s tax returns?

am I posing rhetorical questions not germane to the discussion?

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WELCOME

The IRS and current tax code defines “fair share”…..who do you think defines this number now? Do you really think some a leadership devoid, failed president is the one to define same?

Baaaaaa baaaa

I guess you simply ignore the code and pay more than required?

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It was fun for a while but now it’s getting old. I getting tired of hearing complaints about what Romney pays in taxes.
Romney didn’t create the tax laws. Congress did. Want to complain about rich paying low taxes. Pur the blame where it belongs, on Congress. Not on people like Romney who are just following the law. Passed by Congress.

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General-election politically speaking, of course, this all boils down to “gee, it must be nice to be in a position where you can choose to shift ~2 million of a deduction this way or that, in order to get a pleasant-sounding percentage.”

and you really can’t put lipstick on that pig.

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TAXPAYER,

10% cut from all except 20% cut in military…pretty simple but not a one of them has the balls to risk re-election to do the right thing.. medicare, food stamps…all of it…

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Did Romney break any laws?

We do not know. We do know that 18,000 people with Swiss bank accounts have come forward under that program offered by the DoJ. Was Mitt one of those account holders. Perhaps we could determine the answer to that question from his 2009 tax return.

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” it’s this insane spending that Democrats think they have to perpetuate.”

This is the lie the cons like to perpetuate.

The GOP, starting in 2001, started 2 unpaid wars, several unpaid tax cuts, and an unpaid Medicare Part D, which doubled the defcit under Bush. These things are still adding to the deficit, as well as the drop in tax revenue due to the great recession.

I still have yet to meet an honest republican.

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am I posing rhetorical questions not germane to the discussion?

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You question is germane but not much fun. More fun to compain about Romney.

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Stands, 9:22,

Oh, what it would be like to have that kind of problem. Do I detect a little penis envy here?

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The richest in the country get the most free hand outs from the government because of interest laws on housing……

I guess no one is talking about that if you are in the 1%.

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I guess you simply ignore the code and pay more than required?

you’re (willfully?) missing the point.

the point is, Americans who work and vote are not, generally, in a position to choose to pay more or less. Not a whole lot either way, anyway. These Friday-news-dump revelations aren’t game changing, but they do reinforce the unlikeability factor already in play at this stage of the election.

And face facts (I had to, in 2004–baffling as it was to me that ANYONE with a pulse would prefer to have a beer with GWB rather than Kerry) — likeability is what retail politics is mostly about at this point.

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The tax code is too easy on those in the top brackets. But who is Romney focused on? The 47 percent who pay no federal income tax. Like, a) they don’t pay a whole lot of other taxes, and b) they are not so poorly compensated that they are bordering on destitute as it is, and/or c) they are not senior citizens living on low, fixed incomes, and/or d) they are not military personnel deployed out of the country, and/or e) they are not rich people who find loopholes in the tax code.

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Do I detect a little penis envy here?

nope, I don’t want to be an even bigger dick than I already freely admit to being.

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Your numbers ignore his charitable contributions. He like everyone could reduce their taxes down to zero with enough charitable contributions. More pertinant would be his rate before contributions.

But really, this conversation about Mitt’s taxes is a red herring. If we want to discuss raising the capital gains tax, that is a fair conversation to have. Beyond that, it is just personally attacking Mitt for not paying more than he is required to. It is a completely irrelevant conversation to have. The only relevance is to stir up resentment against Mitt because he is in the 1%. His personal tax rate has no bearing on anything relevant to you, me, or this country.

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Regardless to what Romney did, the mindless will still vote for him because of the (R) behind his name. It doesn’t matter that he’s said that he wants to lower rates more that would benefit him much better than most other Americans. People don’t even stop to think about these things. It’s all about Right vs Left.

Taxing those in Romney’s tax bracket even 40% will do little to nothing to bring our debt and our runaway spending under control.

It would show most Americans that DC is serious about debt instead of using it as a club to kill baby seals. Considering that the starting salary in DC puts Congress in the top 10%, any attempt to tax that group more says that they are willing to pay more themselves. Until I hear them say that, I don’t believe a damn word any of them say about debt reduction.

it’s this insane spending that Democrats think they have to perpetuate.

And which candidate’s current platform calls for more tax cuts and increased defense spending? Here’s a hint, he doesn’t have a (D) behind his name….

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“McCain reviewd Romney’s taxes…and then chose Palin as a running mate”

But, did he not choose Romney for this reason?

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Always remember, a vote for Mittens is a vote for what you believe in… whatever that may be…

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kayaker: ” it’s this insane spending that Democrats think they have to perpetuate. You must not have taken a good look at our debt clock lately”

You’re continuing to spout garbage, man.

If you know anything — anything at all — you will know that the “spending” is the responsibility primarily of the Republican party and the Republican party only.

Iraq War.

Prescription drug boondoggle.

Catastrophic fall in federal revenues to do the financial crisis which blew up on George W. Bush’s watch after 7 years of Republican rule in the Executive.

You got NOTHING.

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If we want to discuss raising the capital gains tax, that is a fair conversation to have. Beyond that, it is just personally attacking Mitt for not paying more than he is required to

Actually, we want to know how he got mega-millions into his IRA legally. We also want to know which state he claimed was his “home” and which one he voted in, because it’s possible that he commited voter fraud by voting in a place where he has no residence. But we can’t know that without the tax returns, can we?

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Once again, let’s talk about the economy and unemployment. After all…it is germane to this election and it is on Obama’s watch. This morning’s post by the Bookman Propaganda Department is nothing more than left wing diversion from the real issues.

Is that all you can come up with in order to stoke the class warfare embers? Obviously, yes! Honest to God, you liberals are reprehensible.

It is sad that we must play the same old game of you Democrats raising taxes and we Republicans paying as little taxes as the law will allow. Subsequently, each election year brings out the class warfare and misinformation that the DNC vomits.

Let’s talk about the real issues like lying about the Libya attack and poor oversight in foreign policy that got our ambassador murdered. Let’s talk about the White House’s suppression of information about the Libya attack. Let’s talk about Obama’s left wing donor who headed up the legal defense responsible for allowing the Libyan terrorist to go free from Gitmo and was responsible for leading the attack on the consulate. Let’s talk about having the UN in town while Obama is more concerned with showing up on the left wing View for campaign purposes. Let’s talk about Obama’s insult to Isreal by blowing off a more important meeting with its leader.

As I said…you people are reprehensible and your diversionary tactics are low class. Here we have a community activist and Marxist running this country and your defense of his actions are handled with diversionary attacks of character assassination. Smells just like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin.

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We’re back to the “not paying your fair share” meme…

Of course we know when you say “fair share”, that means “we want to take it all because you have more than me, and it’s not fair”. Equality of results, and all that crap.

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“But, did he not choose Romney for this reason?”

let’s put it this way … he’s reviewed Romney’s taxes, right? where was his full-throated defense of Romney when the whole tax brouhahaha started???

there wasn’t one.

THAT, my friendly, is even more telling than the fact that he chose Palin.

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But, did he not choose Romney for this reason?

some people say!

(actually, that’s a perfectly fair point, bman. I hate the “correlation equals causation CUZ I SAY SO!” argument, myself)

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” it’s this insane spending that Democrats think they have to perpetuate. You must not have taken a good look at our debt clock lately”

Where were you back in 1985, when we were spending like crazy after an irresponsible tax cut?
Where were you back in 2005, when we were spending like crazy after two irresponsible tax cuts?

If Romney gets in, this is what a blogger will type in 2030……….
Where were you back in 2015, when we were spending like crazy after an irresponsible tax cut.

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“I hate the “correlation equals causation CUZ I SAY SO!” argument, myself”

But that was not made in the statement I posted. All it does is state 2 obvious facts.

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Stevie Ray 9:26

But that still doesn’t address Jay’s topic, does it?

“f actions speak louder than words, then Mitt Romney agrees with Barack Obama that the federal tax code requires too little of rich people like himself.”

Unless your point is Romney’s only playing for political advantage.

Which would say a lot about his character.

I’m out for a bit. Catch up when I return.

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Donavan

Dan gave us that same stuff a few minutes ago.

Bless your heart too.

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“nobody outside of the Sunday morning TV bobblehead watchers give a crap what Gramps has to say, so it’s not like he had to sully his beautiful mind providing said defense”

please.

like that’s ever stopped him in the past … “most dangerous place in washington is between him and a camera”

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USNUK,

Let’s take a look…do you not think that this guy has the best tax attorney’s in the country who would assume liability if they advised him to break the laws?? You gotta think this out a bit..It’s just a political jab just like the new “fairshare” as defined by those who are deny the IRS code actually defines this…

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Oh, don’t get me wrong, UnU. I doubt anyone much loves Mittens, least of all Gramps.

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PAUL,

Its all political hubris…they both will say or do anything to get elected..

Catch you later..

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Yup the richest folks get the MOST welfare from the Government….then they blame the poorest for not paying taxes ?

Great stuff the GOP talks about…….

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Complete and utter silence about the 91% FIT rate in 1958….as though it never was! Dead silence about the drop in the tax rate for the rich….the poor? Not so much! They pay their in a different way now. Instead of FIT they pay it via sales taxes, fees, etc.

You buy an airplane or a yacht and shelter it in a “corporation” that makes it available for charter. Then you write off the plane/yacht and all the expenses (insurance, mooring/hangers, fuel, maintenance) while you use it for family fun. Of course this type of tax shelter is available to all Americans! Unfortunately only a few can actually take advantage of them.

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Peter: “Yup the richest folks get the MOST welfare from the Government….then they blame the poorest for not paying taxes ?”

Yeah, it sounds bizarre, but when you think about it, it’s the only way to keep the scam going. They HAVE to do it.

They HAVE to find ever more bold and daring ways to loot the public finances on which the broad population depends. The 1% genuinely — and rightly — fear that their wealth is under threat.

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Even though everyone won’t admit it, 14% or less is not fair to the rest of Americans, or the country. Republicans should really chime in on this with some ideas.

Then again, I’m for everyone paying the same %.

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Romney didn’t create the tax laws. Congress did. Want to complain about rich paying low taxes. Pur the blame where it belongs, on Congress. Not on people like Romney who are just following the law. Passed by Congress.

And what economic class funds Congressional campaigns or outright buys candidates?

What economic class does half of Congress belong to?

Think about those and revisit your statement…

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These Cons are laughable at best . Even when they are born on third base they self destruct…..LOOOOOOSERS..

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I don’t understand why I should pay a larger percentage of my hard earned income than Romney does?

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I don’t think donating to your church so it can build huge monuments to itself should be considered “charitable.”

I’ve been giving this a bit of thought of late. If we every seriously go after some of the grosser tax deductions out there, I think church contributions perhaps ought to

a) be limited to a specific dollar amount per household–indexed, perhaps, to what’s considered the poverty level for a family of four, in a given year?

and/or

b) have, perhaps, a more stringent value applied to what one receives in return for contributing to one’s own church. I don’t think a working class family should have to fret about, say, lopping off the value of daycare provided to their young’uns. But some rich guy who gets flown around to do “mission work” on the church’s dime, something like that? That’s certainly not pure charity, or anything like what most would consider selfless.

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Some comic relief…top ten BO excuses..

SR, how are those plans to open up an online Concern Troll University panning out?

I could probably teach a few classes as an adjunct if you’re looking for help, down the road.

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I don’t think mega church leaders should have Rolls Royces and live in zillion dollar mansions but I have no idea how to make this change. I do feel all churches over a certain square footage should pay taxes. Or maybe no taxes on the actual building where worship takes place but tax the ball fields, minister’s houses, etc.

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Dems are fine with tax cheats like Charles Rangle

Name one.

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BRO,

It’s more than half of Congress that is in the bag with special interests cash to work against IRS overhaul…The dems get equal, if not more money from Wall Street and other fat cats as the GOP..
They all owned by one, if not more special interest groups and use us to get elected then spend 30% of their time in DC raising money…let’s not discount the Bar Association and other tax lawyers that also carry a big cash sack…

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I don’t have any problem with capital gains and dividens being taxed at 15 per cent. divedes constitute a distribution of net profits to owners of the corporation, after taxes. Taxing them is double taxation. Reducing taxes on capital gains is right because those gains have been earned over a period of years, and cashed out in one year.

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the cat …. Yup you can become a “Minister”…… no different then becoming a garbage man……. Just create a church, find some followers collect a few bucks and you are soon on your way.

I have seen lots of religious folks use God for paydays.

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Robme is a 1% moocher victim.

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Still have to blame congress. Not Romney.

If you see it that way, then that’s your opinion. You may be better served to open your eyes to see how the wealthy are gaming the system to keep taking and taking without having to give anything. As people have stated, there is class warfare going on, the problem is that some people don’t have a clue as to who the true factions are.

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Capital gains have dropped more than that. In the 60s, short term capital gains were counted as income(held fewer than 6 months) long term was 1/2 of your top rate.

When this form of income tax was started, only people that made the money of someone with a company employing 5-10 workers(and Babe Ruth) paid taxes. My grandfather and great uncle owned 2 pharmacies and they didn’t even have to file taxes until 1940.
Pushing the tax burden on to the workers, just made workers wages rise, which hurts manufacturing companies and helps banks and other financial institutions.
Allowing Corporations to go multinational and then defending their interests also hurts us.

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There’s no evidence Romney cheated on his taxes..as mentioned, he has the best tax lawyers in the land and they would incur liability if they advised or otherwise encouraged tax evasion…

There’s no evidence of anything relating to Romney’s taxes other than his manipulation of his 2011 in order to get that 14% effective rate. That man is playing the entire country for fools and many people are throwing rose petals at his feet for doing so.

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Brosephus™

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I am aware of what lobbyists are doing to the system. And in favor of increased taxes to the upper brackets.
But dividends and capital gains are different from ordinary income and shoudl be treated differently.

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Got to love the corrupt liberal msm. They criticize Romney when he pays income taxes at the lowest legal rate allowable. Then they criticize Romney when he voluntarily pays at a higher rate than is legally required. Bottom line is that Romney is a heck of a lot more generous with his own money than just about any of his liberaa critics.

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“But dividends and capital gains are different from ordinary income and shoudl be treated differently”

so you think people who ONLY invest money should pay a lower rate than the workers who invest their time, their lives, their families futures in a company?

I don’t agree.

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$4M to charity…how dare he…how heartless, how selfish, how cold

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Bottom line is that Romney is a heck of a lot more generous with his own money than just about any of his liberaa critics.

Buying the support of your church is not necessarily “generous”. There are many reasons people and corporation give money to charities. Many of them are not “generosity” but rather for their own “capitalistic” purposes.

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But dividends and capital gains are different from ordinary income and shoudl be treated differently.

And just how is it different? When you spend it, does it count as double the value? When that income is spent, does it have a double or triple effect on GDP?

Income is income regardless to where it comes from. It doesn’t spend different, nor does it contain some magical factor that creates twice as many jobs for the same amount of other incomes. The only reason it is different is because the name is different.

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so you think people who ONLY invest money should pay a lower rate than the workers who invest their time, their lives, their families futures in a company?

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No, I believe in the progressive tax system. Higher incomes should be taxed at a higher rate. But, taxes on dividends is double taxation. The taxes on the corporate profits have already been paid. Taxing the distribution of the profits is double taxation. That’s what dividends are – distribution of net profits after taxes to the owners of the business.

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Marty Huggins — “Mitt gave away 4 million to charities.”

If those “charities” were the LDS church or groups affiliated with it, then I give him no credit for those “donations.”

The LDS *requires* a tithe of at least 10% on your gross income. I suspect that if his full financial picture were accurately known, we would see most of those “donations” going instead to fulfill his *obligations* with his church.

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The man can’t win, can he, Jay? On top of what he pays, he gives to charity. Exactly how much is enough for you people, a kidney? Sacrifice a first born?

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What are you suggesting regarding 4 years ago stuff?

I am suggesting you take a look at what was ACTUALLY happening 4 years ago vs what we think happened.

Four years ago, people were watching their 401k’s evaporate right before their very eyes. Four years ago, people were beginning to watch their neighbors houses get foreclosed on faster than we can blink. Four years ago, people were watching their co-workers pack their belongings after losing their jobs.

That is what I’m suggesting you look at when making those 4 year claims. Actual events that were going on 4 years ago. Contrary to what people want to portray, 2008 was a truly f**ked up year, and we are better off now than what was going on this time 4 years ago.

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kayaker 71

September 24th, 2012
9:54 am
Granny, 9:53,

I can name quite a few……. those that keep putting his sorry ass back in office every election.

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Let’s see his tax problems don’t seem to have been uncovered until late 2008. He was innocent until proven guilty. ( A quaint American customnot currently being used by the GOP in regards to voter suppression)

And his censure wasn’t until late 2010.

You really can’t whine about it until and if he is re-elected.

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larry — “I still would like to know how he could amass over 100 million dollars in his IRA when we are limited by law to contribute a certain amount each year. I wish the IRS would investigate this.”

I can give you some detail on how he *might* have done it, but of course I have no direct knowledge of what he *actually* did.

“And as far as his blind trust goes, his own personal attorney is running the trust. So how blind is it ?”

It’s not blind at all.

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Bro – but are you better off then your were 5 years ago?…With as much as the goal posts are moving, I thought I’d join in

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70 more days of anti Romney blog posts is a lot of anti Romney blogging work for Jay to do

Zzzzzz

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BRO,

So what if Romney is making a political move with his taxes? Political moves, and of course cash, are what really matters currently..

He certainly has no corner on the political moves market does he?

The purely political move by BO to blame all the ills on the 1% is purely a political play as well..the increase resulting is only 2% of revenues…we all know this will simply either offset some of the HC expense now expected to be over $200 billion in HC costs to taxpayers…not to mention estimates that 30 million will still not have coverage..

Anyhow, BO only cares to provide his base with simplistic ideological talking point that has about a much budget impact as a flea on an elephant..

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2008 was a truly f**ked up year, and we are better off now than what was going on this time 4 years ago.

I really wish Obama had kept that line in his acceptance speech.

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“Yet Romney continues to insist that wealthier Americans today can’t be asked to shoulder more of the financial burden”

Jay, in the spirit of blogdom, stop putting words in Romney’s mouth.

He hasn’t said that.

And even if he has, he’s probably also said the opposite

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BRO,

Try telling that to the average middle class (whatever that means) family that is paying $4 for gas, $5 for peanut butter, higher insurance costs, higher energy costs and the like…not to mention those now unemployed…On an individual bases…not true…BO campaign then turned the argument from micro to macro claims….smoke and mirrors.

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I don’t recall seeing much liberal angst over John Kerry’s wealth back in 2004. The difference here is that Romney built his wealth while Kerry married his. Jay, I would need to see what reductions were available in the 60’s to reduce that rate.

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Try telling that to the average middle class (whatever that means) family that is paying $4 for gas.

Wasn’t the Iraq War all about preserving low gas prices.isn’t that what the typical American paid his taxes for, while the GOP spent trillions to preserve that ?

Or was it about the bilking of the US Treasury ?

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President-to-be Romney paid $1.95 million in 2011 federal income tax. Regardless of what resentful lefties want to think it’s the Romneys of the world who fund the government freebies and “programs” for the 47 percent who pay -0-.

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The point is not that romney’s taxes aren’t correct according to the law, but rather why is it that republicans believe that people of his ilk need more tax cuts? The great tax cut experiment has left us both broke and confused, there is no truth to any of their propaganda, yet you get these lowly rubes who follow the pied piper of tax cuts – incredible…

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Great job on making a tiny per cent of Americans richer cons.

Way to go.

Too bad you screwed yourself and making less money.

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Weekly Standard columnist Bill Kristol wound up praising the Obama Administration on the economy.
“They need to focus on the next four years,” he said of Romney’s campaign. “If this election is just about the last four years, that’s a muddy verdict. Bush was president during the financial meltdown. The Obama team has turned that around pretty well. Bill Clinton’s speech at the convention was very important in that way.”

salon.com

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EC: but are you better off then your were 5 years ago?

Considering that I had just left TSA 5 years ago, yep. Add that my daughter wasn’t conceived, yep. My retirement fund is about 10-12 times more than it was 5 years ago, yep. The only thing that might be a negative for me is that I have more gray hair in my beard now, but I like that too, so I don’t see it as a negative.

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Stevie Ray

They’re all making political moves. That’s what campaigning is all about.

The purely political move by BO to blame all the ills on the 1% is purely a political play as well..the increase resulting is only 2% of revenues

When you have a party that’s dead set on 0% revenue increases, I think it’s a great deal to get them to co-sign a 2% increase, but that’s just me. Sure, it’s just a drop in the bucket as far as numbers go. When you look at it from an ideological standpoint though, there is far greater meaning to that meager 2% than even you appear to realize.

You’re so intent on painting everything negative that you fail to see the broader perspective on most things. That makes you appear to be a sheep in desperate need of a shepherd.

Just sayin’

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kayaker 71 – “Romney used the same tax code that all the rest of use. He played by the same rules that any other person filing a return. If you don’t like what he paid, blame the people in Congress that pass tax laws.”

Agreed, but how come when people making less than $30,000 a year, the elderly, students and soldiers do the same thing, Romney refers to them as “victims” and “entitled”?

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“I think it’s the right way to encourage economic growth – to get people to invest, to start businesses, to put people to work,” the former Massachusetts governor said.

Well what would Romney be doing with his “Fair Tax rate” had he not be running for President ?

would he be using that extra welfare he gets from the government to create jobs ? Really…….. he would take his personal money and create jobs ?

HA HA HA.the biggest GOP lie of them all !

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At what point will you cons stop slobbering all over the rich.

When they control all the wealth?

ESPECIALLY the poor white GOP 47% down here in the south.

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Try telling that to the average middle class (whatever that means) family that is paying $4 for gas, $5 for peanut butter, higher insurance costs, higher energy costs and the like…not to mention those now unemployed…On an individual bases…not true…BO campaign then turned the argument from micro to macro claims….smoke and mirrors

Stevie Ray

What am I?? Dog Sh*t?? Four years ago, both my wife and I were full time employed with everything paid and money to spare for meaningless bullsh*t. Now, we’re parents with one working part time while also paying out of pocket for school for the wife and child. We can’t seem to take advantage of the mortgage reduction plans that everybody else gets, so we’re still paying a much higher interest rate than our neighbors who have been able to refinance while we’re supporting these refinances with our tax dollars.

Don’t feed me no middle class bullsh*t dude, because I live it every day I open my eyes. I don’t need somebody to tell me how I’m struggling because I see, feel, hear, and taste it every damn day.

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“Wrong, given tax rules related to c corps v s corps and LLC and LPs”

Taxes are taxes

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EC

DAMMIT!!!!! I just lost a good mouthful of coffee thanks to you.

I gotta run for a minute. My middle classed ass has a sick daughter that needs to get to the doctor’s office. I may hit y’all from the android if time permits. Seems like Stevie Ray and I have some serious discussion we need to complete today.

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Did he forget about a 16 trillion debt and the security issues that result? The ME is in flames

yeah, it’s *ever* so much worse than it was at this point in Chimpy McWarhardon’s first term, when we were being showered with flowers and chocolates by a nation grateful for our Freedom Bombs.

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The one really good thing that’s come out of Romney’s jumping head-first into the pile of poo is this: at least we’ll STOP seeing the numpties in this here blog referring to the “half of Americans who don’t pay taxes”

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Butch, 10:29,

Yeah, the terms victim and entitled should be reserved for those in the 47% who suck off of the govt teat while sitting on their front porch enjoying their first beer of the day while I am driving to work. The soldiers and the elderly should be left out of the mix.

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“yeah, it’s *ever* so much worse than it was at this point in Chimpy McWarhardon’s first term, when we were being showered with flowers and chocolates by a nation grateful for our Freedom Bombs.”

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-LUTE!!!

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After 8 years of Bush and 8 years of Clinton, I can’t believe America is still having the tax debate. I forgot facts don’t mean anything to Republicans. Republicans talk a good game but it’s full time America look at the facts and see that Democrats are the real fiscal conservatives.

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“Romney refers to them as “victims” and “entitled”?”

He said worse than that. He said THEY think of themselves as “victims” and “entitled”

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K71 — “Yeah, the terms victim and entitled should be reserved for those in the 47% who suck off of the govt teat while sitting on their front porch enjoying their first beer of the day while I am driving to work.”

I like how you can say this and also tell us that we’re ‘envious’ or ‘jealous’ of Romney’s wealth.

I suspect you got an F in Irony back in high school.

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Peter,

ZERO….a complete waste of our money re to return on investment in IRAQ..likely Afghanistan as well..

STANDS,

So you are confirming that a 5 trillion increase in debt in 3 years is better than what happened before in 8? Irrelevant really but you are also suggesting BO’s promise to cut the debt/increase in debt was anything other than political?

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Did Obama mention that during his event in Milwaukee? The one in the venue that held 5000 people but somehow had 18,000 people according to the Obama campaign and your pals in the mainstream media? Amazing how Obama can alter the laws of space and time.

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Mitt Romney pays more than required for his taxes and Obama hires a tax cheat for Secretary of the Treasury.

” There’s yer sign”.

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The 60 Minutes interviews of the two candidates was very informative. Scott Pelly delivering hard ball questions at every turn and Romney answering them all with apparent honesty and forethought. Steve Kroft threw Bozo a few provocative questions but much of it was softball fluff. The interesting part was the responses of both candidates. Bozo’s answers seemed empty and without substance while Romney gave solid answers to difficult issues. No wonder the Muslim world wants Bozo to have a second term.

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Best outcome may be if Romney wins and DEMS win back control of congress…I think Romney is capable of governing more moderately but can’t say so now….

Not gonna happen. I don’t think the Dems have a chance to regain the House for at least 2 more elections. You forget the redrawing of districts in 2010. Most states saw GOP takeover, and by proxy more friendly GOP house districts were created. Democrats will have a time trying to overcome those obstacles in such a polarized climate. I’m not saying it’s impossible to overcome, but they will need a lot of help in doing that.

I’m not calling you a tea party member or anything, but I have to question your thinking when you don’t see Obama getting the GOP to agree to ANY revenue increase as something significant in and of itself. The fact that Grover’s boys won’t sign off on a .00001% increase should be telling of itself in who’s really serious about getting control of our debt/deficit problem.

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So you are confirming that a 5 trillion increase in debt in 3 years is better than what happened before in 8?

I’m on record as not giving a good crap about anything Obama, or any President, might have done since the onset of the Great Recession about those trillions that seem to keep you up nights.

People will lend us money for next to nothing. Many Americans are out of work. It is criminal not to leverage that resource to put people to work, first and foremost.

(I’ve said this about a thousand times, here, in these blogs, so don’t act shocked if you haven’t bothered to notice.)

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Romney himself said if he paid more than was required, he shouldn’t be running for President.

Well, he paid more than was required. HELLO!!!

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I’m not calling you a tea party member or anything

no, he’s a concern troll, which is to say he is much more of a PITA than a garden variety Teaper.

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Well, he paid more than was required. HELLO!!!

Well, he’s trying to win a popularity contest. HELLO!!!

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kaw kid – really? the Republicans are responsible for your out of control credit card debt?…really?

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“kaw kid – really? the Republicans are responsible for your out of control credit card debt?…really?”

I blame Paris Hilton.

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If sequestration is our only option, so be it.

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POLL: ROMNEY TAKES 14-PT LEAD AMONG MIDDLE CLASS

drudgey spam

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Ahem, you should probably read more closely. Click the link for the actual poll and you’ll get this:

http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html

You presented only the GOP analysis of that poll.

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SCHA-WING states love them some Obama

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157547/democratic-enthusiasm-swells-swing-states-nationally.aspx

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1. You are better off than you were four years ago.

Hell yes, and moving in the right direction!

And given what was said exactly four years ago this Wednesday (This sucker could go down. ~GWB), I’d say the rest of the republic is!

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Obama describes murder of U.S. ambassador to Libya and Mid East violence as ‘bumps in the road’

“bumps in the road” ?!?! Was Oblunda serious? Maybe he can explain that to the families of the slain that are facing “bumps in the cemetery”. What a clueless goober we have as a president.

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And now for the rest of the story (about what Obama said back in 1998 – the full tape):

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/24/full-audio-of-1998-redistribution-speech-obama-saw-welfare-recipients-as-majority-coalition/2/

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“Maybe he can explain that to the families of the slain that are facing “bumps in the cemetery”.

It was a slip of the tongue; that’s what he meant.

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So the IRS has shown the super rich to be rising at an incredible rate, all while the middle class and the poor are also going backwards……

So where are all the JOBS being created by the Super Rich, since they are getting the largest welfare benefits ?

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http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/24/full-audio-of-1998-redistribution-speech-obama-saw-welfare-recipients-as-majority-coalition/2/

drudgey spam.

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It seems inconceivable, but wouldn’t be amazing if true:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/24/Does-Elizabeth-Warren-Have-a-Law-License-Problem

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[...] debatesUSA TODAY (blog)Poll: Dead heat in Florida for Romney, ObamaCNN (blog)Huffington Post -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -The Hill (blog)all 8,724 news articles » Share and [...]

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Frankly, I think they expected it to become the Titanic and he be the one to bear the blame historically.

Abso-freakin’-lutely.

And on this very thread, when we say we are better off, we are told, no you are not and SHUT UP!

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It seems inconceivable, but wouldn’t be amazing if true

Saint Breitbart-of-the-Wankers battle cry.

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Ahem @ 11:09

Just shows him for who he really is. Disgusting.

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And now for the rest of the story (about what Obama said back in 1998 – the full tape):

Has the Daily Caller managed to find the two undecided voters in America who give a crap about it?

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Oops. I meant to convey “would be typical”.

I should have known not to offer a correction to TC.

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Moby hit the nail on the head when he drew a connection between Romney’s 47% statement and the song “Common People” by Pulp.

“But still you’ll never get it right,
cos when you’re laid in bed at night,
watching roaches climb the wall,
if you call your Dad he could stop it all.

You’ll never live like common people,
you’ll never do what common people do,
you’ll never fail like common people,
you’ll never watch your life slide out of view.”

Shatner’s version is better though

http://youtu.be/ainyK6fXku0

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Just shows him for who he really is. Disgusting.

Yes, Mitt is disgusting.

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“Congressman Ryan, what do you think of people who keep their money overseas?”

http://youtu.be/bmV2gGq-2Tk

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Shatner’s version is better though

Yes. (This is among the few basic core beliefs that I am likely to carry to my grave.)

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“In a CBS “60 Minutes” interview that aired Sunday night, President Obama inadvertently suggested an approach to the Middle East that places Israel on a par with its Arab neighbors, calling Israel “one of our closest allies in the region.”

“One” ……….. ? And who would the others be ?

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Right, Einsteen, because “the code” has nothing to do with tax rates!!!

Hysterical…

Talking with spendaholic neocons about matters economic is like talking to a junkie about drug abuse.

Interesting perspective, but useless…

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@Get Real

How about “getting real” with us? Put up or shut up. Blow up my arguments if you can.

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SBinf ….. YUP we have the GOP talking with forked tongue again…..

Romney keeps his money out of America, thus he is not creating jobs now is he ?

Most of the 1% don’t keep their money here, and they are not creating jobs are they ?

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“One” ……….. ? And who would the others be ?

Isn’t Iraq supposed to be ? How about Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Jordan, Turkey………

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Let talk about them undecided voters: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/undecided-voters-saturday-night-live-video_n_1907145.html

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For TaxPayer from last night:

1) 0311

Most of you libs. weren’t in the infantry so you really don’t know why I bother to stay on this blog.

Well, the best defense is always pro-active. You don’t just set up a strong defensive perimeter ………… you send out patrols, set ambushes and utilize night listening posts.

All for the purpose of disrupting the plans of the enemy …………………..

2) TaxPayer:

“Scout’s own words confirm that he did not fight for we the people. He did not fight for the USA.

He calls US citizens the enemy.”

3) Obama to Latino supporters: “….. punish our enemies …….”

“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s going to be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/09/24/obama-israel-closest-allies-region/

4) Yes ………… we ARE “enemies”. Even the president said so.

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Am I in Bizarroworld?

Nope, just Republicism. They are just for the troops going to war. Not when they come home.

Just like they want the babies to be born, but they dont care when they become children.

Yep, Republicism.

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“Am I in Bizarroworld?”

Yes. Liberalism goes by many names.

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larry:

““One” ……….. ? And who would the others be ?

Isn’t Iraq supposed to be ? How about Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Jordan, Turkey………”

That’s like putting Towson on a par with LSU ……….. ooops ! They do play them Saturday don’t they.

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“Most of you libs. weren’t in the infantry…”

My God! That is all she talks about! ~Joe Walsh, R – Illinois

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“They are just for the troops going to war.”

And they are always the higher percentage of the troops going to war for this country vs. libs.

May I suggest “Born Fighting” by Democrat Senator and USMC combat veteran James Webb.

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JamVet:

And you too:

May I suggest “Born Fighting” by Democrat Senator and USMC combat veteran James Webb.

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…the overall code needs to be changed…

Tell that to your 1% overlords.

And their Party of No sycophants in Washington…

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“I think you are kidding yourself if you think you can be one of the highest-taxed states in the nation, have a reputation for being anti-business and have a rosy economic future.”

- Andrew Cuomo

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Shift focus to put the 12.5 million Americans back to work in decent paying jobs.

Not complicated.

Voting gop will not do it.

Like willie said, they don’t care about those people.

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031 — “Well, the best defense is always pro-active. You don’t just set up a strong defensive perimeter ………… you send out patrols, set ambushes and utilize night listening posts.”

Dude, you don’t even know who your allies and enemies are. Maybe you’d better concentrate on the basics before you move on to settting up that defensive perimeter.

Besides, I always heard that a Marine grunt’s idea of a good 360 defensive perimeter was four Claymore mines duct-taped to his head.

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Well there is no doubt in my mind the Super Rich get the absolute most Government welfare of any class of American’s….. by far above the very poor !

Imagine that …but it is true !

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Want to see the economy grind to a complete stop, raise capital gains tax rates to the same level as the income taxes.

So you mean the consumer will stop consuming then ? Or the rich will have a few less toys ?

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We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both. ~Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1856-1941)

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By the way @Get Real, I’m STILL WAITING for you to blow up my arguments. I have posted the numbers for your claim that I was factually incorrect. Either you refute my arguments, or be quiet (at least toward me). I’m not one for pushing propanganda. That’s all I am saying.

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Yes scout.

Our President fights back.

So?

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“Besides, I always heard that a Marine grunt’s idea of a good 360 defensive perimeter was four Claymore mines duct-taped to his head.”

That would be 2/3 of a “good 360 defensive perimeter”.

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In sports…

An Arkansas coach is warning fans not to take stock in the polls. “The liberal media has a definite bias and it is clearly evident in their polls. Right now Arkansas is clearly the number one team in the nation. The liberal polls clearly have an agenda. Our internal polls have us at number one. Don’t believe the polls.”

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But defeating Sen. Pat Murray’s bill that would have provided job training for returning veterans and would have cost $200 million a year was defeated by the GOP in the Senate as unaffordable?

Would the GOP voted for it if it wasnt paid for ? Would they have voted for it if it would have added to the debt?

200 million a year to provide job training would have been a worthwile investment.
But instead the GOP plays politics.
Another entitlement program , i guess.

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Romney is so generous when giving to charity.

Too bad he didn’t feel generous enough to serve his Country when many of us where heading to Vietnam.

He’s so generous, his Sons have picked up on the same spirit and have opted out of helping out in Iraq/Afghanistan.

He’s paid more than legally required unlike the Soldiers killed/maimed and are part of the 47%.

Romney is a phoney.

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0311 — “Joe/Jam/Keep, et al: Some walked the walk ……….. some talk the talk.”

When it comes to polls and polling, when and how did *you* walk the walk?

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“Tell that to your 1% overlords. And their Party of No sycophants in Washington…”–Jamvet

Pure Delusion from the Angry, Unfulfilled. and Unsuccessful members of society. Sad.

Get off the blogs and go do something productive with your life. It’s not too late.

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Hey, Stevie Ray,

You might want to cite your source for your Top 10 excuses… ya know, Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post.

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…some talk the talk.

Endlessly!

BTW, Cut & Run Del was crying for you next door last night. (Her misses his little buddy, josef, too…)

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A republican paying more in taxes than he has to is like a bama fan betting on auburn when the schools play each other. This is just hilarious. What does Romney consider that half million a campaign contribution?

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Headline: “Obama Counter to Terror: Downplay?”

“President’s initial response to what many in his administration now admit was a terrorist attack on US Consulate in Libya appears to follow his response to three other acts of terror: Fort Hood, Christmas Day bomber and Times Square bomber.”

Weakness only invites more terror.

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Well there is no doubt in my mind the Super Rich get the absolute most Government welfare of any class of American’s….. by far above the very poor !

How much welfare did Romney get for the $3 mil he paid in taxes?

So no one will invest in any good ideas or companies unless they are subsidized?

Taking less is not giving.

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Doggone – Now who is risking more?

They are…you can always get another job.

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Taking less is not giving.

yes, actually it is, if you’re talking about a revenue stream. If the government makes a conscious decision to provide tax breaks to certain players, then it *is* giving that money away, no matter how much conservative ideologues like to argue otherwise.

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“Romney is a phoney.”

And that, more than anything is else is what is driving his campaign into the dirt. One only has to look at his interactions with the hoi polloi to see the thinly veiled disdain he has when anyone below his station in life has the temerity to question his policies. Imagine the scenario of a secretary second guessing the CEO of Bain about a recent corporate decision.

Would Romney be the type that would listen and consider the secretary’s points, or would he be the type that would interrupt her and tell her he didn’t ask for her opinion? I think we all know the answer to that. A CEO doesn’t represent the “common” people, a President does.

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Jay “Class Warfare” Bookman: get a life. Let’s compare apples and oranges. There is a difference between capital gains taxes and income taxes. You liberals like to do that when it is to your advantage. A part of me wishes that Obama would get elected so you guys could bear the brunt of what he is doing to this country. Liberals:those who are generous with other peoples money.
Progressive: those who progressively want to take more and more from those who already shoulder the majority of the taxes paid in this country.

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Liberals:those who are generous with other peoples money.

Kind of like starting a War in Iraq , not having any type of monies funded for the WAR…….and Bilking the American Public with Cost Plus Contracts ?

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Republican’s want WAR spending and Nothing else…….. unless it is welfare for the Rich !

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The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly. The rich have always objected to being governed at all. ~G. K. Chesterton, English essayist (1874-1936)

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Why not fund Medi care as if it was a unneccessary war ? The GOP talks a game, but performs awfull.

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ELGRUNIR

You are of course correct..she’s too right wing for me but you gotta admit, there exists no small amount of evidence to support all those suggestions..

Yes, I should have named her…not sure what difference that would make..I’m clearly not bright enough to think of those all on my lonesome..

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Doing a googledy search shows that capital gains taxes has come down significantly from the late 70s. And that coincides with a conscious decision to eschew manufacturing in favor of financial services prognostication.

We’ve been losing manufacturing jobs at the same time that capital gains taxes have been falling, so please don’t try to tell me that capital gains encourages job creation.

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Hey idiots. I bet that lots of [D] politicians on capital hill made more money than Romney did ?? Where’s the out cry about them ??? Are you guys on the Ford Foundation payroll ??

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“Kind of like starting a War in Iraq , not having any type of monies funded for the WAR”

The war WAS funded…what it wasn’t was BUDGETED. It was paid for by off-budget bills.

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Hey idiots. I bet that lots of [D] politicians on capital hill made more money than Romney did ??

Well name them…. name caller.

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

September 24th, 2012
9:18 am
PETER,
Can you tell me exactly how many jobs Romney actually offshored or otherwise eliminated?
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Stevie Ray, I’ve seen you ask this question numerous times and have yet to see anything in response other than a snarky/delfecting/smartazz response. Those answers tend to come from regulars here who pride themselves on “fact” supported answers.

And for those afflicted with a hyper active binary gland, I am NOT a Romney supporter. But I think if FACTS are demanded in statements about Obama then FACTS should be required in statements about Romney.

Not thinking that I have to wash the sack of either party affords me that position.

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Towncrier — “Pollsters are like weathermen: they can predict imminent election results pretty well, but those a month or two in the future not so well. Aside from questions one might have about the continued reliability of polls in the face of increasing technological change, I think to cite them regularly (as Jay does) this far out from the election is silly.”

Shrug. I’m still hopeful that you’ll explain the *why* behind your discomfort with polls in some sort of substantive way. I recognize that you’re uncomfortable with them and that you’re concerned about ulterior motives on the part of many pollsters, but aside from those otherwise unsupported worries, I’m not sure what concrete issues you have with their work,

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That Black Guy ………. Can you tell us how many jobs Romney created ?

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So if I have a $75 in my pocket and $25 in my shoe and I get held up at gunpoint on the street, and the robber only gets the $75 in my pocket, I should walk away feeling that the robber gave me $25?

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“My job is not to worry about those people” willie robme.

cons, he is talking about you and your family silly.

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Not blind: “Hey idiots. I bet that lots of [D] politicians on capital hill made more money than Romney did ?? Where’s the out cry about them ???”

What do you not get about the difference between a politician who acts exclusively IN THE INTERESTS OF HIS CLASS, waging class war against the working class and others, and politicians who at least in spirit act AGAINST THEIR OWN CLASS?

Now, granted, today’s Democrats are nothing compared to FDR, or even a Kennedy, but they are light years removed from a parasitic stooge of the 1% like Mitt Romney who wants to FURTHER CONSOLIDATE our oligarchy as being by the rich, from the rich, and for the rich.

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Hey idiots. I bet that lots of [D] politicians on capital hill made more money than Romney did ??

Then you would be the idiot.

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) is the wealthiest member of the US Congress. Only Issa and Kerry are anywhere near him. His net worth is $294Million. (Issa $220M and Kerry $193M)

Mitt Romney’s net worth (from what anyone can tell!) is about $250Million.

So unless exactly zero is lots of politicians, you are just making up nonsense out of thin air…

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If I woke up every day broke I think I would try a new lifestyle. That is how Georgia wakes up every day since the 1800s. And they in unison say thank you sir and I’ll have another. This is fine for you but why put your kids through the hell you call life? Something you are doing causes this poverty other states do not have, maybe you are like the Bass brothers in Andy Griffin and love the dirt. Keep lying to yourself and everyone else, keep voting for fictitious causes and skipping parties every few years because the one you are in can’t hang with bigots. This formula of failure, not Obama is your plight in life.

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“Can you tell us how many jobs Romney created ?”

I’m quite sure his investments have created a good number of jobs. The better question is how many AMERICAN jobs have those investments created.

Ok……… can anyone tell us how many American jobs Romney has created having been given his personal welfare via his 14% tax bracket ?

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Vote to put the 12.5 million Americans back to work.

We know money boo does not care about those people.

The choice is clear.

There is only one sane choice.

Four more years!

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“I’m quite sure his investments have created a good number of jobs. The better question is how many AMERICAN jobs have those investments created.”–jewcowboy

Mitt Romney has certainly created more jobs than any of the Losers on this blog, Jay Bookman, and Pres. Obama combined.

Ever heard of Staples???

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USMC — “Mitt Romney has certainly created more jobs than any of the Losers on this blog, Jay Bookman, and Pres. Obama combined. Ever heard of Staples???”

Staples existed long before Bain ever got a hold of it. Try again.

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usmc,

It is true and you know it.

Does your back hurt from bowing down to the rich?

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Doggone – who do you suppose your employer borrows money from to make payroll?

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Staples existed long before Bain ever got a hold of it. Try again.

as 1 store in Utah

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USMC…

I would prefer to have the group who will spend the money here in America in the White House.as compared to those who start War in the White house and then say Deficits don’t matter.

Since you relate to WAR and use it as a monicker as to whom you are, and not your real name because you want to hide………… I hope your scars are healed soon !

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JEWCOWBOY,

Wassup?

Nobody really can tell me the answer to first question…I know that an average amount (compared to national averages) of bankruptcies occured in the Bain portfolio…jobs were lost but may well have been offset by Staples alone..which I’m sure the LIBS will not give him credit for..

His offshoring of jobs is debatable..to me its irrelevant since the global economy requires the likes of APPLE, HP, and other brands ship 100,000’s or more jobs overseas in past 10 years..

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obama-twists-romneys-economic-record/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-jab-at-mitt-romney-all-youve-done-is-send-china-our-jobs/2012/09/17/86dae6f8-0116-11e2-b257-e1c2b3548a4a_blog.html

A couple more interesting opinions..

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“Does your back hurt from bowing down to the rich?”–Getalife

There is NO group called the “RICH”, getalife.

It is a made up name used for Socialist propaganda.

People with wealth or money don’t “GROUP” together.

They are individuals or small organizations who have accumulated wealth in a wide range of fields and methods.

Don’t envy; learn to be diverse and may be you too can learn to be successful.

Rising Tides Lifts all Ships!

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We have not forgotten about Mitt Gekko Romney.

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When we reach a point that we understand that if we are wealthy, it is because we had the tools and support to do so, we start growing a heart with a bit of humility. When we understand that there are many not so fortunate as ourselves and realize that we have an obligation to give back and offer opportunity and support to those who need it, hate and anger will fade away. Every day is a new day.

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I think, given the many articles I have read recently on polling, is that Silver (and others invested heavily in the polling industry) are underestimating the rapid change in the way people communicate since even 2008 and the way that is affecting polling.

Of course that’s possible. However…

The switch to cell phone only usage has been more exponential than linear since 2004 or so.

Just FYI, Nate has written repeatedly on this topic (here’s a recent take) and IIRC he tends to weight more heavily pollsters who mix cell and landlines than those who do landline only.

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The best part for me:

Romney chose his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin – like himself, a self-righteously anal, thin-lipped, Whitest Kids U Know penny pincher who’d be honored to tell Oliver Twist there’s no more soup left.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz27PGSCZdx

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“Staples existed long before Bain ever got a hold of it. Try again.”

You try again. From the Wiki:

Staples started with backing from private equity firms including Bain Capital; Bain co-founder Mitt Romney served on the company’s board of directors for the next 15 years, helping shape their business model.

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Those people living off their entitlements–the social security and medicare that they actually paid for–have not forgotten about Mitt Gekko Romney.

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“Interesting that Jay omitted the amount that Romney paid. Much better to say he only paid 14.1 percent than he only paid $X million in taxes”–Mel Gibson

Par for the Course! Jay Bookman merely repeats what he is told to say by his Leftwing Party Operatives.

Jay Bookman believes what he is told to believe according to the Party line. Purely Party Line!

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Stands – I listened to an interview (I belive it was on Hugh Hewitt’s afternoon show about 2 weeks ago)with one of the pollsters and he was asked about the sampling %’s used because in one poll taken in I believe it was Ohio, he sampled 13% more Democrats than Republicans and his response was that was the same ratio that Obama outdrew McCain in 2008 and that was within his +/- sampling error. He would never respond to the question as to whether that assumption made any sense.

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“Yep, another clueless trickle downer who refuses to see what a total failure it has been.”

More anger, bluster, and hate from a religious bigot who spends his whole life on a blog; not much success in the real world. Sad

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Towncrier — “You try again. From the Wiki:”

Thank you for the correction.

And I’m glad you’re paying attention to me this afternoon. Perhaps you will now favor me with some further *substantive* exposition regarding your mistrust of pollsters and polling.

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The problem with numbers is it said for effect and few of us have the slightest idea what it means. Romney paid over one million in taxes but if you divided that up upon us common people we would have paid over three million. In fact if all this money went to common people the tax collection would go up about three fold, the country’s money problems would disappear and productivity would be just about the same if not better. I also see us investing in each other more, not the idle rich hording their money, we would have a stake in the economy and want to see it grow so we could make more money. For once we are all on the same page, one country for all Americans and all of us loving it instead of feeding some foreign bank account and giving lip service to our national pride.

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So how do those Romney family trusts work anyway. Mitt donates money to his family trust and takes a tax deduction for it. Then his trust makes money for him and he donates it to the trust and takes a deduction for it…

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How is it that Mitt didn’t pay over 13.9 percent in federal income taxes back in the 90s before the Bush tax cuts. I thought he claimed to be a CEO or something way back then so shouldn’t he have been paying taxes on wages and even paying payroll taxes.

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getalife @12:22

Even if the name is fictitious, the quoted thought is right. It’s my job to worry about my family, not the President’s.

godless heathen @12:15 & 12:22

Well said and illustrated.

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Just giving you back what you dish out so freely to see if you can take it.

Don’t cut and run like that other ex-marine, Del did…

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18,000 people have come forward under that DoJ amnesty program regarding the tax cheaters hiding money in Swiss bank accounts. Show us your 2009 tax return, Mitt. Tell us all about your Swiss bank accounts.

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USMC — “Mitt Romney has CREATED wealth, whether it be through jobs, tax revenue for the government, or investor dividends. Mitt Romney is a CAPTAIN OF INDUSTRY!”

What *industry,* exactly?

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Stands,

You can also go to either Rasmussen or Gallup sites and search for poll assumptions…

http://sprblog.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/why-our-recent-polling-is-accurate-and-shows-a-close-election-for-president-by-james-lee-president-of-spr/

http://santitafarella.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/turnout-assumptions-why-does-rasmussen-show-better-numbers-for-romney-than-other-polls/

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Mitt Romney is a CAPTAIN OF INDUSTRY!”

The Gekko industry.

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“Don’t cut and run like that other ex-marine, Del did…”

AMvet, I wouldn’t RUN from you.

I am sure that many of the “tough” talking bloggers, blog bullies, are usually not very physically impressive in person. And I choose not to fight and hurt anyone unless absolutely necessary.

Anyway, Your phat arse couldn’t catch me anyway.

We would probably sit down and have a few beers!

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“The Gekko industry.”–W-2 Taxpayer

Ahhh yes, the seething anger and resent. Wealth Envy, I tell ya!

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USMC needs more trickle down!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/120910110833-chart-average-wealth-story-top.jpg

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USMC,

“You are very Narrow-minded”

Of course, that says quite a bit more about you than I. Very interesting considering you’re saying that about someone who pointed out both sides of the coin.

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I see USMC chooses to deflect with faux claims of wealth envy rather than deal with facts such as the wealthiest not paying anywhere close to that 35% marginal tax rate or the fact that Mitt and Co. think that people living off of the social security and medicare that they funded are moochers, etc.

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“What *industry,* exactly?”

Moving paper.

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Stands, I’m not complaining about the way they are done other than the fact that the guy, when questioned, immediately went for his statistical blankie, and refused to answer the question. That tends to make me suspicious.

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Most Americans below the upper echelon have suffered a decline in wealth in recent decades. The median household saw its net worth drop to $57,000 in 2010, down from $73,000 in 1983. It would have been $119,000 had wealth grown equally across household.

What an odd “accident”, huh?

Thirty years on and somehow Reaganomics had no hand whatsoever in the crushing of the middle class’s earning power…

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“Of course, that says quite a bit more about you than I. Very interesting considering you’re saying that about someone who pointed out both sides of the coin.”–Jewcowboy

Funny seeing that the Socialist/DemocRats on this blog, including Jay Bookman, PREACH diversity when it benefits them, but hate and discriminate on the global economy.

LOL! We humans are certainly Hypocritical.

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On a plane Krystal and Jammie; out earning a living so I can stay part of the evil 1%….will try and open your link Krystal….not sure if I will be able to as I am using a Blackberry

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not sure who — “Third, recent polls showing a double-digit lead for Obama are not believable, and are probably using the 2008 voter turnout as the basis of their survey model.”

AFAIK, only Rasmussen uses a likely voter model that takes voter turnout into account.

There may well be others, but I’m not aware of them if they do. And FWIW, some explicitly *disavow* a voter turnout model, based on the fact that the 2012 voter turnout figures are unknowable until after the election (and therefore you can only guess at what they will end up being).

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Romney was (is) only interested in making a profit.
He couldn’t cared less about the company; he wanted that profit regardless of whether it succeded or failed. The employees were just tools to make the profit.

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JCB — “PE firms?”

I suspect he means Private Equity firms. Venture capitalists, like Bain.

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“Perhaps you will now favor me with some further *substantive* exposition regarding your mistrust of pollsters and polling.”

In addition to my earlier post @ 12:34, JHM, here is a “sampler” of articles I have found that bear on the subject:

An interesting analysis of California polling in 2000:

=http://www.gradethenews.org/pages2/Pollstory1.htm