Romney agrees: Tax code too easy on those in his bracket
If actions speak louder than words, then Mitt Romney agrees with Barack Obama that the federal tax code requires too little of rich people like himself.
I don’t know how else to interpret the fact that Romney artificially increased his own taxes in 2011 by taking fewer charitable deductions than he could have. By doing so, Romney’s effective tax rate in 2011 jumped to 14.1 percent, still lower than the rate paid by millions of his fellow Americans.
Absent that step, ABC News reports, “his effective tax rate could have been as low as 10.4 percent.”
And would Romney have taken that step if he wasn’t running for president? Highly unlikely. As the candidate himself told us back in July:
“I don’t pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president. I’d think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.”
So to review:
Romney paid 14.1 percent of his income in taxes, a figure that could have and would have been as low as 10.4 percent if he wasn’t running for office. In contrast, the average effective tax rate paid by his wealthy father back in the ’60s was 37 percent.
Yet Romney continues to insist that wealthier Americans today can’t be asked to shoulder more of the financial burden, even as changes in the global economy continue to concentrate more and more wealth in their hands.
– Jay Bookman
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Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
joe,
the charitable contributions of romney are a fact no matter how you try to deflect
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81584.html#ixzz27Pa9SJUv
Twice posted drudgey spam.
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
JHM – It says and I just caught it that $600M was the initial budget…the final cost was $1.2B foot note to the NYT, but the article says $2B plus…the $101M profit is also a NYT piece and states a cost of $1.3B….in the end, they made money
Regnad Kcin
September 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
USMC – USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
“I’m the son of a holocaust survivor you jarheaded idiot.”
I am shocked and sorry to hear that; seeing that your values are so ANTI-JEWISH.
===========
Sir, I’ve seen you make sense before – what’s UP withyou today???
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
OK, off to the Farmer’s Market.
For now I’m done dealing with our resident foot in mouth diseased dumbass…
Doggone/GA
September 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
“Cons never care about people. Only about corporations.”
Sure they care about people, after all “corporations are people my friend”
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
once again jay the richest americans could give every dollar to your president and it wouldn’t even make a tiny dent in the real problem with our gov’t which is a SPENDING PROBLEM you genius….
killerj
September 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Average tax,so what,s the big deal? I only pay 10% of my wage.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
USMC — “I am shocked and sorry to hear that; seeing that your values are so ANTI-JEWISH.”
I don’t trust you to speak for Jews any more than I trust you to speak for Muslims, African-Americans, Liberals or even Americans in general.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:09 pm
“You are a complete disgrace, both as a human being and as someone who dares try to represent The Corps…”–Amvet
You an turn your seething hate into a successful life, Amvet.
Turn your attention inward and concentrate on being the best person you can be in all facets and you will then succeed. By accomplishing in life, your seething hate and anger will naturally subside.
You will then live a longer and happier life.
Michael
September 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
The issue over paying a fair share of the taxes is an issue being used solely as class warfare.
Here are the facts: the top 1% pay 37% of income tax, and the top 5% pay 59% – how much is enough?
How about this for a novel idea: REDUCE THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT, ALONG WITH SPENDING!
No matter how much money the Government takes in, it spends more, and wants more – does this really make any sense? Case in point, take a good look at States like California – this is a prime example of Government failing, and out of control!
curious
September 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Like I said, ya gotta know your audience. In 2 years I’ll be retiring at the ripe young age of 55.
Don’t need food stamps. Don’t need SS. Don’t need Medicare or Medicaid. Don’t need welfare.”
Try not to knock over those people using walkers as you push to the front of the line.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
“For now I’m done dealing with our resident foot in mouth diseased dumbass…”
Have a happy day, Sourpuss!
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
billybob — “joe, the charitable contributions of romney are a fact no matter how you try to deflect”
You need to learn the difference between deflection and dismissal.
I don’t credit Romney’s “charitable” donations because he was OBLIGED to make them under LDS rules. If he DIDN’T tithe a minimum of 10% of his gross, he’d be excommunicated.
I see no reason whatsoever why Romney should be lionized and placed on a pedestal simply for complying with his church’s confiscatory “flat tax” on parishoners.
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
hey jay,
why doesn’t the liberal leftist lamestream media, which based on your blog today you are a proud memeber of, ask legitimate questions like he was asked last thursday by univision? exposed again jay….it’s getting easier and easier
DannyX
September 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
WARNING: Republicans/Conservatives do not open link, may be harmful to your health.
http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
#1 – Give us the hard numbers of in-person voter fraud.
There’s a group that has gone back and researched as much as possible on reported cases of voter fraud since 2000. Their research appears to be about the most thorough and complete that’s available to date.
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/about/
Based on an exhaustive public records search, the News21 analysis of voter fraud shows:
• Since 2000, while fraud has occurred, the number of cases is infinitesimal.
• In-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent. Only 10 such cases over more than a decade were reported.
• There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other category. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
• Voters make a lot of mistakes, from people accidentally voting twice to voting in the wrong precinct. However, few cases reveal a coordinated effort to change election results.
• Election officials make a lot of mistakes, giving voters ballots when they’ve already voted, for instance. Election workers are often confused about voters’ eligibility requirements.
The News21 investigation also found:
• Photo ID laws and other new voting restrictions disproportionately affect minorities, students, the disabled and the elderly.
• State rules on voting by felons vary widely. In some states, felons can vote from prison; in other states felons may never regain the right to vote.
• More than half of the state bills proposing photo IDs originated from people affiliated with the conservative, pro-business American Legislative Exchange Council. Since the model photo ID legislation, known as ALEC’s 2009 Voter ID Act, 62 voter ID bills were introduced in state legislatures.
• Changes to Florida’s voting laws will reduce the state’s in-person, early voting timeframe. This includes the Sunday before Election Day, when African-American churches traditionally organized caravans of parishioners to polling places, known as “Souls to the Polls.”
•True the Vote, a Texas-based Tea Party initiative, has trained and dispatched election observers in at least 20 states. The growing national movement’s goal is to prevent voter fraud; opponents say it’s a way to intimidate eligible voters, particularly minorities.
• Once-neutral secretary of state offices are becoming increasingly politicized as these office holders join the political debate over voting access.
There’s much information available on their website if you wish to read through it.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
E. Cat — “JHM – It says and I just caught it that $600M was the initial budget…the final cost was $1.2B foot note to the NYT, but the article says $2B plus…the $101M profit is also a NYT piece and states a cost of $1.3B….in the end, they made money”
Not following you here. Could you break it down a bit more elaborately, please? I’m multi-tasking just this minute and my attention is a bit diverted.
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
Billybob,
“thanks for describing our current president jewcowboy…..easy one”
To some degree there is truth in that. The major difference is background and priorities. One was the child of wealth and entitlement the other was a child of a single mother and the middle class. Both attended Harvard Law, but one decided to Management Consulting and Private Equity while the other became a Civil Rights attorney and State and Congressional Senator.
While they may be both ambitious, one speaks the language of selfishness while the other speaks the language of amelioration.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
Amvet, My friend swears she got Pink Eye at the Dekalb’s Farmers Market last week. Be careful.
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
reread your post and realize you told on yourself joe….fun
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
Billybob — “reread your post and realize you told on yourself joe…”
Not at all. You’re simply not quick enough on the uptake to realize when your comments have been *dismissed* as opposed to *deflected.*
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
JHM – the $660M was the initial budget that’s all….It actually costs $1.2B
Not sure how they calculate “profit” I was just answer Taxpayer when he said Mitt stuck it to Salt Lake and bailed…I think SL did pretty good on the deal
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:17 pm
jewcowboy,
that is the funniest thing i have ever heard…….you really believe that……wow
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
intellectual superiority alert joe….nice job
dismissed by deflection….. which shows you need to get a diagnostic check on your intake system i guess……this is fun
TiredOfIt
September 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
USMC,
“Funny seeing that the Socialist/DemocRats on this blog, including Jay Bookman, PREACH diversity when it benefits them, but hate and discriminate on the global economy.”
++
Interesting you mention Socialist when the military is the most Socialist system in the US today.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
E. Cat — Seemed like you were citing three different cost figures; 1.2B, 1.3B and 2B, of which we’re still not sure how much was government sponsorship.
If we had to dole out in the neighborhood of a billion dollars for a ~10% ROI, then I’d say that wasn’t a very good investment.
mm
September 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
“WARNING: Republicans/Conservatives do not open link, may be harmful to your health.”
The cons only believe polls that are in their favor. Otherwise, it’s a mirage.
Their party is still blowing sunshine up their @ss. This election is moving in Obama’s favor, and the downballot looks pretty good also.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
billybob — “intellectual superiority alert joe….nice job”
Thank you. It’s actually quite easy when you lob me such softballs, Punkin.
“dismissed by deflection…”
Rejected. You were just plain dismissed. No deflection was involved.
“. which shows you need to get a diagnostic check on your intake system i guess . . . ”
Guess all you want. The fact of the matter is that Romney’s donations were *required* by his church and given that, you must have rocks in your head if you think that’s somehow laudable or exemplary behavior.
“this is fun”
It certainly is! I’ve been needing a new internet chew toy!
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
Billybob,
“wow”
You’re still using the term “lamestream”. Double wow.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
jay,
anything……anything….bueller….bueller……typical…..let me know ewhen media matters tells you how to respond to my simply put post on your latest ‘romney false template’ enough time enlightening poeple like you jay…..see you tomorrow to expose the manipulations you use every day about your political ‘enemies’….hope you don’t mind me using obama’s word for republicans since you parrot his ideology on a daily basis……this is so much fun…see ya libs
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
……this is so much fun…see ya libs
Toodles
Oh, and Socialism — BOO!
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
Completely off topic, I saw my first Romney/Ryan bumper stickers today. Funny thing is, neither one of them had Henry County plates. I’ve seen two “Mitt” bumper stickers from Henry Co, but that’s about it. There are a few signs in yards too. R&R finally has the semblance of making an appearance in Henry.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
Report: Ahmadinejad to Meet with Occupy Wall Street…
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-ahmadinejad-meet-occupy-wall-street_652994.html
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
joe,
keep working on that one
jewcowboy,
good one!???
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:29 pm
Brosephus — “Completely off topic, I saw my first Romney/Ryan bumper stickers today.”
FWIW, I saw two over the weekend and one yard sign.
And this is in the Fulton/Cobb mini-mansion zone.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:30 pm
billybob — “joe, keep working on that one”
Why? It seems to have shut you down quite effectively.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 24th, 2012
2:31 pm
Well, I wish people would leave poor Romney alone. I watched 2 innervues with him this weekend and he sorta looked like, “Please don’t hit me again and I’ll do whatever you want,” I bet he had a whole bunch of tax people telling him he could take more deductions but if he did he’s wind up paying lower taxes and get all smashed up again.
I guess I could loan him my tax man, Bubba. Old Bubba always gets me a huge refund and he don’t hardly charge more than 500 bucks for filling out them two forms. But Romney wants somebody in a fancy suit to do his taxes. He wouldn’t take much to Bubba in those old overalls and with that spittoon next to him. Besides, I bet Bubba’s never even been in a elevator, much less a car elevator. You don’t need a elevator when you do business out of your trailer.
Anyhow, poor Romney sorta reminds me of that movie—you know, Dead Man Walking. You got to give him credit though. He’s willing to take one for the team.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
joe,
you ignore charitable contributions based on your biases…..i’m fine with that, but will not let you ignore the central point which is the level of charitable contributions…..typical liberal moving the goalposts based on mood, emotions, or which way the wind is blowing…..shut me down….right
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
Not sure how they calculate “profit” I was just answer Taxpayer when he said Mitt stuck it to Salt Lake and bailed…I think SL did pretty good on the deal
Erwin continues to display his ignorance regarding my posts. Why am I not surprised.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
Hey Cons RObme is also all BUSHS FAULT…LOOOOSERS!!
gm
September 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
Rep voted against the Va bill that would allowed more jobs for Veterans and help homeless vets, yet idiots like USMC support Romney who care less about Veterans.
These wackos hate the President so bad, that their interest is destroyed, have you ever seen a bunch of crazy Americans?
Peter
September 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
USMC…. is all for Romney creating jobs in India, but not America.cause it is a global economy !
Makes sense if you are Indian.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
“Romney Gave 1,000 Times as Much to Charity in a Year as Biden Gave in a Decade”
So Biden contributed a whopping $3,690 to charity in the last 10 years. That is pathetic.
That Black Guy
September 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
Peter
September 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
That Black Guy ………. Can you tell us how many jobs Romney created ?
__________________________________________________________
No more than you can tell us how many jobs he outsourced.
Doggone/GA
September 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Completely off topic, I saw my first Romney/Ryan bumper stickers today”
I haven’t seen any yet…but I have seen several “Nobama” stickers
What’s Weird About Romney’s Tax Return Release? – Huffington Post | Finance Bar - Daily Finance News Magazine
September 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
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Doggone/GA
September 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
Oh, and BTW – this area and all the way to my work location were PLASTERED with McCain/Palin signs back in the day. Now? NO Romney/Ryan signs at all
Towncrier
September 24th, 2012
2:43 pm
“If he DIDN’T tithe a minimum of 10% of his gross, he’d be excommunicated.”
Have you incontrovertible (or just anecdotal) evidence of this? Before you answer, make sure you understand what excommunication actually is.
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
JHM
yeah wiki says $1.2B one of the linked articles says $1.3B and the other says $2.0B
not a great ROI I agree, but better than China with $43B invested and a $146M profit
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
I haven’t seen any yet…but I have seen several “Nobama” stickers
That seems to be the case up here in the N.C. Mtns. also.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:45 pm
Billybob — “joe, you ignore charitable contributions based on your biases…”
DEnied. Incorrect, Grasshopper.
My wife’s family was LDS for five generations back. My mother-in-law is distantly related to Parley Pratt, and if you don’t know who that is, educate yourself and look it up. If I were biased against the LDS, I certainly wouldn’t have married into this family.
“..i’m fine with that,”
No, I don’t think you are. You’re absolutely IGNORANT of what my biases are and are not, and are simply leaping to uninformed and inaccurate conclusions based on your OWN biases.
“but will not let you ignore the central point which is the level of charitable contributions”
I don’t recognize your authority to control “the central point” on anyone’s behalf, billybob. If you don’t like what I have to say, that’s too effing bad for you.
“…..typical liberal moving the goalposts based on mood, emotions, or which way the wind is blowing…”
Actually, that’d be what *you* are doing. You don’t have any knowledge about me, my background or my motivations, yet you have no hesitation whatsoever in pronouncing my ‘biases’ — which you don’t know a thing about in the first place — to be the proximate cause of our disagreement.
They’re not. You’re incorrect, you’re uninformed and you’re simply shooting your mouth off — as conservatives often do.
“..shut me down….right”
You haven’t contributed anything substantive to this thread in at least a half-hour, son. All you’re doing is jabbering about what you imagine my biases to be. (pointing, laughing)
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 24th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Completely off topic, I saw my first Romney/Ryan bumper stickers today”
No bumper stickers yet but someone has huge banners hanging on the sides of their trailer parked on 53 that says “Remove Obama”. Franky it’s pretty obnoxious and ugly to look at every day.
TB
September 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
I am amazed that we try to crucify people who have been successful.Is this country based on mediocrity.Do we want to point to people who are just “average” and tell our kids to emaulate? How many out that pay more that they are required to in taxes? Do you….really? Good or bad, the tax code has evolved to steer the economy in certain ways (mortgage interest deductions,capital gains/dividend tax rates, etc) if there are loopholes…well who put them in place (our own Congress, made up of Democrats and Republicans)…wow… and then we find fault with those that simply apply what is allowed….Let’s be honest, Mitt is smarter than you or I, if not we would be sitting where he is right now. He is a decent man (as is Obama) but we are now are a tipping point, forget who pays what in taxes ( even if we tax the rich 100% our deficits would still be astronomical). We need to get our fiscal house in order, if not, then the entire country suffers and the have nots become an unsustainable majority..what a country
moonbat betty
September 24th, 2012
2:50 pm
“So Biden contributed a whopping $3,690 to charity in the last 10 years. That is pathetic.”
Hey, that’s not fair!
Biden just prefers to give a larger portion of his income to the Federal Government.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
Those Romney / Ryan yard signs will make some ggood firewood just like Mccain / Palin signs did….LOOOSers…
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
TaxPayer – Erwin continues to display his ignorance regarding my posts. Why am I not surprised.
I read them, didn’t see how it makes your point that he stuck it to SL and ran when in the end it was profitable
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
Towncrier — “Have you incontrovertible (or just anecdotal) evidence of this? Before you answer, make sure you understand what excommunication actually is.”
Incontrovertible, yes. But it’s not evidence that I’m in a position to share with you.
You need to bear in mind that the Mormon church is *very* protective about their rituals and procedures, and that they don’t like to discuss such things with outsiders. As I told you before, my wife’s immediate family left the LDS some years ago over a threatened financial audit. The local LDS leadership apparently felt that my father-in-law was holding out on them and demanded that he turn his financial records over to them so that LDS headquarters could perform the audit. My father-in-law, being a professional accountant, apparently was quite insulted by the demand and instead left the church.
The church, however, does not recognize its members’ right to leave whenever and however they please, and so my father-in-law and his wife were excommunicated. I’ve seen the documentation.
My wife is still *technically* a member, as children are not automatically excommunicated in such cases. However, the church is very reluctant to allow members to *leave* and demands that they jump through a number of hoops. My wife refuses to go along with those demands, and so she is *still* on the rolls to this day.
In Mormon slang, she’d be considered a “Jack Mormon.”
moonbat betty
September 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
I saw a bumper sticker last week that said,
“I LOVE OBAMACARE”
Everyone behind that car was cracking up laughing and pointing.
Thomas
September 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
Shall we Philippe Reines as yet another wimpish person who is a tough guy emailer?
Jay- what is your thoughts on the CNN/Clinton/Whouse/Libya diary fiasco? We, a long time ago, got it regarding you and Romney’s taxes.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
BRO,
Regarding fraud, is the number of fraud incidents a total or a fraction of actual events?
I wonder if it’ kinda like cops catching all speeders..maybe I’m wrong..also, if we do not require id’s, what is to stop more meaningful and material fraud from occuring?
Don’t know much about this political issue but it seems absurd to put forth the concept of voting without identification….sometimes the easy answers are the most obvious..
moonbat betty
September 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
Hey Bush,
How loose are they?
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 24th, 2012
2:55 pm
As loose as betty.lol
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
2:55 pm
I submit the only skill BO has is his oratory skills…he is a pro…it could be argued that its so pretty, it’s like…Shakesperian…
Too bad he is all hat and no cattle in the delivery or leadership arenas..
Peter
September 24th, 2012
2:57 pm
Biden contributed a whopping $3,690 to charity in the last 10 years. well he has been serving the American people. not outsourcing American jobs for Millions in personal gains.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
2:57 pm
I read them, didn’t see how it makes your point that he stuck it to SL and ran when in the end it was profitable
Once again, Erwin, you fail to point out what I actually posted and choose to just make up your own things and claim that I posted them.
jms
September 24th, 2012
2:58 pm
“All Georgians “think” that they are in the upper class or at least upper-middle class.
Mitt Romney (in a ‘Good Morning America’ interview) stated that in his opinion, Middle Class is a household that makes between $200,000 and $250,000 per year.
You do the math!”
I think the math is that your $200K will go a lot farther in GA than in Mitt’s New England
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 24th, 2012
2:58 pm
Stevie Ray -”Too bad he is all hat and no cattle in the delivery or leadership arenas.”
BO does have cattle manure.
Mark
September 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am…
September 24th, 2012
2:55 pm
Well get over it, because he’ll be your Commander-in-Chief for another 4 years!
OBAMA 2012!!!
John 12202012 Birch
September 24th, 2012
3:00 pm
Romney did not vote to reduce the capital gains and dividend tax rates. that, and his charitable deductions are the primary reasons his overal tax rate is pretty low.
In the Bain days he was not the POTUS or running for POTUS. His ‘job’ was to increase profits for the owners/stockholders not to creat jobs or keep jobs in America. Seems like he i pretty well at increasing profits.
By contrast Obama, as President, got a 2% reduction in SS revenue when the system was already unsustainable long-term. He did this to buy votes.
That Black Guy
September 24th, 2012
3:01 pm
Question.
When people are appointed to boards, councils, advisory panels etc in the White House, are they paid positions?
moonbat betty
September 24th, 2012
3:01 pm
Is Biden even running with Obama this year?
Where is he?
Has anyone seen Biden?
I haven’t seen him on any of Obama’s bumper stickers.
Is Obama ashamed of Biden?
How much does Biden get paid per hour of “work”?
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
3:02 pm
Regarding fraud, is the number of fraud incidents a total or a fraction of actual events?
Check the research for yourself:
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
A News21 analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.
Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.
ID laws as written would only stop in-person fraud. As it stands, there is very little evidence to show in-person fraud as being anything remotely significant. The ID laws do not have an effect on absentee voting or registration fraud, which are far more prevalent.
My personal opinion is that every citizen over 18 should be eligible to vote. Instead of putting roadblocks in front of people, we should be making it easier for people to vote. I think we would get more people involved with the issues of this country if they were voting on the people to represent them in DC. That’s just me though.
With all the technology available, we shouldn’t have to rely on a photo ID. We could use biometrics to accomplish the same thing, and that would be far more of an obstacle to get around to try to perpetrate fraud.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
His ‘job’ was to increase profits for the owners/stockholders not to creat jobs or keep jobs in America.
There’s your sign.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:05 pm
MARK,
I wouldn’t doubt it but I will wait until the battle is over before making such a claim…for the record, neither candidate, most notable BO (given his crap record) will make anything happen…
He’s not accomplished anything that actually helps anyone..you can point to Pelosicare but BO had little, if any input on that…in fact, pelosi et al would put him on mute while they worked on this as he was simply orating and keeping them from work..
We know what he is capable of (or not)and he doesn’t deserve more time to provide further evidence that he is not to be trusted…
kayaker 71
September 24th, 2012
3:06 pm
“It is necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison to the existence of his own nation. That the position of the individual ego is conditioned only by the nation as a whole…… That above all, the unity of a nation’s spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and the will of any one individual. This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community is really the first premise for every truly human culture…… we understand only the individual’s capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man.
Adolf Hitler,
1933
Mein Kampf
Krystal'sBalls
September 24th, 2012
3:08 pm
“Don’t know much about this political issue but it seems…”
Well there you go!
@Brospehus.. Thanks for providing all of that info. which makes it crystal clear that this whole voter fraud/VOTER ID thing is a FARCE.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
3:08 pm
SHEETS!
Jay
September 24th, 2012
3:08 pm
…in fact, pelosi et al would put him on mute while they worked on this as he was simply orating and keeping them from work..
Stevie Ray, Bob Woodward says that portion of his new book has been widely misinterpreted. Pelosi and her staff put THEMSELVES on mute so they could confer privately without being overheard by Obama on the other end.
And sheets.
Mick
September 24th, 2012
3:09 pm
It’s not fraud, that’s the smokescreen; it’s the attempt to suppress minority vote pure and simple, and everyone basically knows it…
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
3:09 pm
I find it interesting that “conservatives” seem to equate charitable contributions with money only.
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
3:10 pm
TP – Once again, Erwin, you fail to point out what I actually posted and choose to just make up your own things and claim that I posted them.
I was responding to this…
TP – Mitt Romney is Gordon Gekko. His Bain business model was to buy up companies and load them down with debt and then take that money in the form of advisement fees and then advise the newly debt-laden companies to pay off their debt. Yes, we know all about how Mitt made his money. He even did the same thing with the Olympics except that he stuck the taxpayers with the debt in that case. Release those tax returns, Mitt. Mitt the moocher. Tell us all about your Swiss Bank accounts, Mitt.
If you continue to move the goal posts, don’t expect me to follow…the point was SL was profitable so how exactly did he stick it to them?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
BRO,
So you are suggesting that anyone over 18 should be able to vote today without ID of any sort?
This makes no sense…you need an id to register for school, to collect government entitlements, to buy booze and the list goes on…why is requiring a valid ID such a burden?
That 92 year old woman in PA or wherever went and got one after the pity party the press had about her not being able to vote without one..
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
“His ‘job’ was to increase profits for the owners/stockholders not to creat jobs or keep jobs in America.”
Pretty much eviscerates that whole “Vote for the guy with business experience” nonsense.
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
jc – Pretty much eviscerates that whole “Vote for the guy with business experience” nonsense
maybe for you
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
So you are suggesting that anyone over 18 should be able to vote today without ID of any sort?
Yes, I am. If we secured the registration process and registered people by biometrics, there is little to no way to counterfeit someone’s biometrics. All you need to do then, is capture and compare biometrics at the time the vote is cast. We already have the technology and know how to accomplish this. Between fingerprints and retina scans, there’s no way we couldn’t accomplish 100% registration and eliminate the “fraud” once and for all.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
E. Cat — “maybe for you”
A thoracic surgeon and a dermatologist may both be MDs, but there’s one of the two that I’m NOT going to if I’m suffering from lung cancer.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
JAY,
Please point me to Woodwards retraction…
Also,what does SHEETS mean?
Finally, I can’t get any action on the attached…can you opine?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-jab-at-mitt-romney-all-youve-done-is-send-china-our-jobs/2012/09/17/86dae6f8-0116-11e2-b257-e1c2b3548a4a_blog.html
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:18 pm
BRO,
How much does biometrics cost and do these “outcasts” need to get into a car to get scanned?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
Also,what does SHEETS mean?
I have answered that question from you once before.
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm
This makes no sense…you need an id to register for school, to collect government entitlements, to buy booze and the list goes on…why is requiring a valid ID such a burden?
I never said it was a burden. You’re conflating two entirely different things. We can’t claim to be the beacon of democracy and put roadblocks in front of people at the same time. That’s hypocrisy of the highest order.
That Black Guy
September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm
Peter
September 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
USMC Funniest stuff I have read so far…………Peter, you need to pull your head out of the sand and quit discriminating against the Global Economy. It’s a multi-cultural/Diverse Rainbow of cooperation that brings the people of the world together.
So Romney creating more jobs in India is great and outsourcing American jobs even better ?
Please keep hiding behind your moniker, and tell us the Right wing Republican’s are not Bigoted ?
__________________________________
What in his statement was bigoted?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:22 pm
JAY,
Anyhow, it seems that BO was left mostly in the dark and it infuriated him re Pelosicare…I wonder if his leaving Pelosi and Reid completely out of loop regarding “cliff” negotiations some kind of juvenile retribution…yes, he has on many occasions frustrated his own party..
He even did poor pathetic job on that front as well….he reneged on multiple occasions after promising to some aspects of deal..
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
How much does biometrics cost and do these “outcasts” need to get into a car to get scanned?
Biometrics are free. We capture fingerprints all the time. We could even design a voting machine that could identify the voter by fingerprint if we wanted to. You have to get fingerprinted when you apply for a gun license and many other things. It takes no more than 5 minutes on average to roll a set of fingerprints, and you only have to do it once as fingerprints never change unless something physically damages the fingertip.
Jay
September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
Stevie Ray, from National Journal:
An anecdote from Woodard’s new book, “The Price of Politics,” that shows then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi muting a call from President Obama appears in a new ad put out by Mitt Romney’s campaign. Woodward responded to the ad, first reported in Politico’s Playbook, saying on CNN that Pelosi “put herself and her people on mute” so that they could not be heard on Obama’s side of the call.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
KAMCHAK,
That’s very helpful but I don’t remember…I gather it’s some time of verbal punctuation at end of point (relevant or not) made but don’t specifically recall…enlighten me again..
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
I left Bain capital and have had no responsibility at all there and that’s the truth I tells ya. Just ask Mitt, he’ll tell ya.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
JAY,
Interesting….I will go back to the book and see exactly what was said..if Woodward says it, I can’t disagree..
I guess the GOP interpretation may have as much merit as the truth about Romneys offshoring jobs jab from the other side…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
I gather it’s some time of verbal punctuation at end of point (relevant or not) made…
No.
… but don’t specifically recall…
Too bad.
…enlighten me again..
No.