Romney agrees: Tax code too easy on those in his bracket
If actions speak louder than words, then Mitt Romney agrees with Barack Obama that the federal tax code requires too little of rich people like himself.
I don’t know how else to interpret the fact that Romney artificially increased his own taxes in 2011 by taking fewer charitable deductions than he could have. By doing so, Romney’s effective tax rate in 2011 jumped to 14.1 percent, still lower than the rate paid by millions of his fellow Americans.
Absent that step, ABC News reports, “his effective tax rate could have been as low as 10.4 percent.”
And would Romney have taken that step if he wasn’t running for president? Highly unlikely. As the candidate himself told us back in July:
“I don’t pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president. I’d think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.”
So to review:
Romney paid 14.1 percent of his income in taxes, a figure that could have and would have been as low as 10.4 percent if he wasn’t running for office. In contrast, the average effective tax rate paid by his wealthy father back in the ’60s was 37 percent.
Yet Romney continues to insist that wealthier Americans today can’t be asked to shoulder more of the financial burden, even as changes in the global economy continue to concentrate more and more wealth in their hands.
– Jay Bookman
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JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
The little old lady living next to USMC…
http://tinyurl.com/9o2ekr5
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — It’s official. The first decade of the 21st century will go down in the history books as a step back for the American middle class.
Last week, the government made gloomy headlines when it released the latest census report showing the poverty rate rose to a 17-year high. A whopping 46.2 million people (or 15.1% of the U.S. population) live in poverty and 49.9 million live without health insurance.
But the data also gave the first glimpse of what happened to middle-class incomes in the first decade of the millennium. While the earnings of middle-income Americans have barely budged since the mid 1970s, the new data showed that from 2000 to 2010, they actually regressed.
For American households in the middle of the pay scale, income fell to $49,445 last year, when adjusted for inflation, a level not seen since 1996.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
JCB — “PE firms?”
I suspect he means Private Equity firms. Venture capitalists, like Bain.
Road Scholar
September 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
Last night on 60 Minutes, Mr Romney stated that we need to do more in ensuring that Iran does not get nuclear power that can be used to make nuclear arms. He stated many issues (having the troops, supplies, etc.) but not once did he say how he would fund the build up or, if he went to war, how he would pay for it. Typical Repub….deficit matters until he wants to use our checkbook for war!
Towncrier
September 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Perhaps you will now favor me with some further *substantive* exposition regarding your mistrust of pollsters and polling.”
In addition to my earlier post @ 12:34, JHM, here is a “sampler” of articles I have found that bear on the subject:
An interesting analysis of California polling in 2000:
=http://www.gradethenews.org/pages2/Pollstory1.htm
A recent example (in Nevada) of how wrong polls can be:
=http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/nov/04/review-journal-flunks-when-it-comes-polls-republic/
An example of increasing problems for the polling industry:
=http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/08/06/daily-circuit-future-of-polling-social-media/
An attempt to explain “bad” polls:
=http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/08/01/five-reasons-there-are-bad-polls/
A claim that polls are skewed:
=http://www.examiner.com/article/two-democratic-pollsters-confirm-major-polls-skewed-against-mitt-romney
Thoughts from the DK (still waiting on their follow-up article “How the 2008 Polling Was Often Wrong, and Will Be Again in 2012″):
=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/15/1097383/-Beyond-the-Margin-of-Error-When-Polls-Fail-or-Why-Eilizabeth-Warren-Will-Dash-GOP-Hopes
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
USMC,
“Funny seeing that the Socialist/DemocRats on this blog, including Jay Bookman, PREACH diversity when it benefits them, but hate and discriminate on the global economy.”
Not following your train of “thought”.
btull27
September 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
Any mention of The Fair tax has you all screaming, yet you also scream about individuals paying different percentages. What do you want? We have an IRS who can audit anyone they choose. Have they found Romney to have incorrect tax returns. I haven’t heard that. If not, shut up. It’s the stupid tax code you all refuse to change which ALLOWS avenues to lower tax percentages. Blame the government for that, NOT an individual who uses them. It amazes me so many can blindly vote YES to change our healthcare system, when details were yet to exist, yet they scream at any plan, with details, attempting to simplify our taxes. Quit the “party” fights and do what’s right for a change.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
In Mitt’s reality, the sick will not need Medicare or Medicaid or health insurance of any form because that’s what the ER is there for. It’s FREE! The ambulance will come and get you at your house and take you there for free and the doctors and nurses will make you all well again for free.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
“Mitt Romney is Gordon Gekko.”
Complete Fantasy but not surprising for most who spend WAY too much time in the BLOG world and evidently not enough time in the REAL world.
Taxpayer and the rest of the losers in life are clearly angry and full of hate and envy for others who choose not to live life on a “BLOG”.
Go do something positive with your lives and you will then be happy and content.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
Have they found Romney to have incorrect tax returns.
Give me a link to that IRS publication and I’ll check for you and let you know.
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
The last three successful businessmen who become Republican presidents:
Warren G Harding
Herbert Hoover
George Walker Bush
Yikes!
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
TP – He even did the same thing with the Olympics except that he stuck the taxpayers with the debt in that case.
except the Salt Lake games were profitable by $101M….but no need to stop making crap up
larry
September 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
So let me get this straight………
A man who starts his company with financial backing from this father ,business partners and some people from Central America with questionable backgrounds start a business where they borrow money to buy that company ( and they sweeten the deal by giving the CEO a nice bonus) , saddle the company with the debt they borrowed, and since the company is in debt, they have to layoff workers and close plants and offices, then charge a management fee on top of the debt, then watch as the company declares bankruptcy while Bain Capital makes out like bandits.
This is what someone considers a captain of industry ?
And before you say Staples, we had a Staples in this town , once. Before Romney and the Board decided to close it down, in 2002.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Towncrier — “In addition to my earlier post @ 12:34, JHM, here is a “sampler” of articles I have found that bear on the subject:”
I will read them, but I am much more interested in what *you* have to say on the topic.
An individual, so motivated, might only seek out data that supports his already-arrived-at conclusions (confirmation bias). I’m hoping that you will actually exert some effort to disabuse me of the notion that that’s what’s actually going on with you.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Blog here often, USMC?
Towncrier
September 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
“He stated many issues (having the troops, supplies, etc.) but not once did he say how he would fund the build up or, if he went to war, how he would pay for it. Typical Repub….deficit matters until he wants to use our checkbook for war!”
He wasn’t asked how he would fund a war that I recall. He did, HOWEVER, list 5 conditions that had to be met BEFORE ever considering war.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
JEWCOWBOY,
Despite promises by both sides, the impact the government can have on unemployment is limited and somewhat fortuitous….there are even sound arguments (by his sec of treasury) that FDR’s New Deal impacted employment (or the economy for that matter.
Heck whats funny about all of this is that they take credit and blame based on a questionable assumption that government can have a material fact on any of the big issues today..
They can however have an impact on our most significant security issue without question..the soaring debt/deficit…it won’t take much too push us over the edge..say 1% increase in interest required or some time in the not too distant future no one will show for auctions as we are no longer best bet going…
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
btull27 — ” Have they found Romney to have incorrect tax returns. I haven’t heard that. If not, shut up.”
If you find others’ exercise of their freedom of speech so hurtful and upsetting, then I strongly suggest that you either grow a thicker skin or find somewhere else to post, n00b.
Telling others to “shut up” on this blog is a good way of painting a bullseye on your back.
Peter
September 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
USMC Funniest stuff I have read so far…………Peter, you need to pull your head out of the sand and quit discriminating against the Global Economy. It’s a multi-cultural/Diverse Rainbow of cooperation that brings the people of the world together.
So Romney creating more jobs in India is great and outsourcing American jobs even better ?
Please keep hiding behind your moniker, and tell us the Right wing Republican’s are not Bigoted ?
Krystal'sBalls
September 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
@stands for decibels
September 24th, 2012
12:41 pm
Uhhh…this isn’t supposed to get out, but… **whispers** there is a real LIVE voter suppression effort that is underway and that they are dependent on.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
E. Cat — “except the Salt Lake games were profitable by $101M….but no need to stop making crap up”
Does that include Romney’s requested-and-received tripling of the US government funding for those games? Let’s see some figures.
larry
September 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
And the Staples here was doing great, had all of the local government contracts, sales were strong. I guess thats why everyone was shocked when it closed.
I guess Staples had to pay some more managment fees to Bain. You know fees to run the company they supposedly started.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
LARRY,
Your comments are falling on my deaf ears…the fact that a average amount of failures (to all other companies)for the Bain portfolio suggests they are evil is absurd..particularly if you understand the good they often do…google Private Equity advantages..
Second, just because your local Staples closed in 2002, means nothing…they probably simply couldn’t compete with officemax or office depot…
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
Erwin’s cat,
“Bain’s priority was to grow Staples which created jobs and made Bain money…a win win”
And if Staples could grow without creating jobs? As I said, jobs were a side effect of creating profit. How does the skill set of creating profit in private equity translate to the role of the President creating domestic jobs?
“Are you gonna pretend that someone smart enough to make hundreds of millions of dollars doesn’t know a thing or two about business, the economy and how jobs are created?”
Are you going to pretend that someone’s whose job is to create profit is the same mind set as someone whose job it is to create jobs? Mitt had a chance to prove these were one and the same while Gov. of Mass. How did that work out? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/04/deval-patrick/did-mitt-romneys-massachusetts-rank-47th-job-creat/
“or did the “idiot” just get lucky 250,000,000 times”
Well…I certainly think the silver spoon in his mouth increased his luck.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
except the Salt Lake games were profitable by $101M….but no need to stop making crap up
As Romney chastises the president for pointing out that successful business ventures benefit from a larger social compact and accuses critics of pining for “free stuff,” Romney is simultaneously touting an Olympic effort that, more than any other in American history, succeeded thanks to public investment—some of it sunk into questionable projects of marginal value to the Salt Lake games. “The $1.5 billion in taxpayer dollars that Congress is pouring into Utah is 1.5 times the amount spent by lawmakers to support all seven Olympic Games held in the U.S. since 1904—combined,” Donald Barlett and James Steele reported for Sports Illustrated in 2001. Those numbers were adjusted for inflation.
Tell us all about those Olympic games, Erwin, if you can stop accusing others of making crap up without any proof of such a stupid claim long enough to type it, that is. Go for it.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
S. Ray — “Second, just because your local Staples closed in 2002, means nothing”
I suspect it meant quite a bit to the people who lost their paychecks when that Staples closed.
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
If you want more of something to happen, you tax it a lower rate. Investment of capital drives the economy.
Bulldada. Spending money drives the economy. Investing does not always equate to spending a single cent. Consumption does not always require any investment either. Why not switch the rates of taxation of earned income and capital gains then if you want to spur the economy?
—————
We’ve been losing manufacturing jobs at the same time that capital gains taxes have been falling, so please don’t try to tell me that capital gains encourages job creation.
The supply sided tax cuts have done exactly what they were designed to do, and that is to increase wealth. They have absolutely no bearing at all on the economy or jobs. Any effect on those two are secondary at best.
If you look at the increase in wealth of the top classes and the rate of new job creation since we started the supply side stuff 30-40 years ago you can see this as clear as daylight. Wealth has increased while new job creation has decreased.
When a country can’t make things for themselves, they doom themselves to the dustbin of history. Our monied people have sold off most of our manufacturing capacity, and people cheer them on in the hopes of becoming lucky enough to join that class. The game is fixed though, and people are either too blind to see that or are consciously deciding to not see what’s right before their eyes.
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Joe Hussein Mama,
“I suspect he means Private Equity firms. Venture capitalists, like Bain.”
Ahhh..thanks!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
JAMVET,
Regarding the regression of middle class income, is that adjusted for higher energy, grocery and utility increases? Its worse off than you indicate..
Too bad President Trillions only answer it to either spend a trillion here or there with a 2% lift from rich folks..
He doesn’t have a plan except to get re-elected..
Regnad Kcin
September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
“Ahh…Romney’s tax return…but lets not question Barry…
Deflect much?
Ronin
September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Gonna have to call B.S. on this. It should be a moot point, BUT, the tax code is simply a political tool to do just this, pit one group against another. Scrap the thousands of pages of tax code and switch to a consumption tax.
King Barry has just, well, spent more money. Nice guy, but he’s in way over his head. Who is gonna be the first to blame George Bush?
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games
JHM…I assume so..it states $1.2B in costs, $600M in taxpayer contributions, debt paid off in 2002 and a net profit of $101M…you tell me?
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
there is a real LIVE voter suppression effort that is underway
Well, they are trying. Fortunately we have a Justice Department that is fighting this effort, pretty effectively from what I can tell.
And for what it’s worth, I never thought the most blatant voter suppression efforts were ever going to net the GOP more than a couple of percentage points at best. Which means they could only steal it if it’s close.
At the risk of sounding overconfident, based on what I’m seeing these days, I don’t think Ohio is going to be very close.
I do think the active voter suppression efforts serve a second purpose. They give downtrodden/working class GOP voters a reason to believe in something called “voter fraud,” so they can blame Those People for lost elections rather than their own crummy political leadership.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
JOEHUSSEIN,
Wassup?
Yeah it meant a lot to those folks but at least 2002 i think was better job market…are you suggesting it remain open for sake of 30 or less jobs? Private companies are not in the business of creating or maintaining US jobs…
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
“What do you want?”
They want the IDEA of equal results for ALL, which we all know is an unrealistic and ridiculous notion. However, they live in a blogashere of Envy, Hate, Anger and resentment. Sad
Towncrier
September 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
“I will read them, but I am much more interested in what *you* have to say on the topic.”
Then that strikes me as a change in your stance, since previously I got the impression you were “more interested” in “documented evidence”.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
STANDS,
Here’s one thing I never understood about voter fraud..the DEMS suggest that there have been only a miniscule number of cases this has happened..I guess cops catch all speeders eh?
Nothing wrong with having an ID with picture to vote…without it, the rest of our votes have less meaning on a personal level….I reckon folks on either side must have something to blame poor outcomes too..??
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
JHM,
“I suspect it meant quite a bit to the people who lost their paychecks when that Staples closed.”
Cons never care about people. Only about corporations.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
Hummmmm ………………………
“President Barack Obama has quietly cancelled a politically risky plan to meet this week with Egypt’s new Islamist president.
The plan was cancelled amid a wave of riots and attacks in Arab countries that have damaged Obama’s campaign-trail claim to foreign policy competence.”
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
USMC,
” However, they live in a blogashere of Envy, Hate, Anger and resentment.”
Project much?
Reality
September 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
All Georgians “think” that they are in the upper class or at least upper-middle class.
Mitt Romney (in a ‘Good Morning America’ interview) stated that in his opinion, Middle Class is a household that makes between $200,000 and $250,000 per year.
You do the math!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:38 pm
Why is Obama ignoring Israel relationship? Why is the whole of the ME on fire? Why is the president not governing?
Oh I know the answer…he’s taken the last 6 months off hie term to campaign for re-election..
larry
September 24th, 2012
1:39 pm
STEVIE
I dont know how it could fall on deaf ears when i wasnt talking , but typing.
But , anyhow, if you want a leveraged buyout expert for president , including borrowing money from Micheal Milken, the junk bond king, then go ahead. Vote for him. I’d drether not have someone like that running the country.
And those jobs where important in a small town where jobs are hard to come by. And while you say private companies are not in the business of creating or maintaining jobs here, then how do they stay in business without employees………….. oh wait……….
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:39 pm
Obama AND Ahmadinejad Refer to Israel Concern Over Iran as ‘Noise’…
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-refers-israel-concern-over-iran-noise_652967.html
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:39 pm
Stevie ray, have you had an epiphany?!
You are the blogger who wrote some months back that flat lined wages for the overwhelming percentage of American families was not a bad thing.
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:40 pm
Stevie Ray,
“Despite promises by both sides, the impact the government can have on unemployment is limited and somewhat fortuitous”
“They can however have an impact on our most significant security issue without question..the soaring debt/deficit”
While both parties have been negligent on this issue, I do find it especially troubling that the GOP’s stance is that they should be elected to majorities in Congress so they can make progress on the deficit because the blocked all progress when Democrats held a majority. Does one normally get rewarded for bad behavior?
I concur.
Towncrier
September 24th, 2012
1:40 pm
“Cons never care about people. Only about corporations.”
You mean libs never care about people, only government forcing others to do what they, as a rule, are personally unwilling to do (”love your neighbor”).
Towncrier
September 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
Alright…I’m out…good day all.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Project much?”–mm
Fire for Effect!
That Black Guy
September 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
larry
September 24th, 2012
11:52 am
But defeating Sen. Pat Murray’s bill that would have provided job training for returning veterans and would have cost $200 million a year was defeated by the GOP in the Senate as unaffordable?
Would the GOP voted for it if it wasnt paid for ? Would they have voted for it if it would have added to the debt?
200 million a year to provide job training would have been a worthwile investment.
But instead the GOP plays politics.
_______________________________________________________________
Was that the ONLY reason they blocked it?
“The bill was opposed, by, among others, Senator Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, who said he believed the bill duplicated existing job programs for veterans that are not well run, and Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, who has been seeking amendments on bills that would cut off funding to Egypt and to Pakistan until Pakistan freed Shakil Afridi, the doctor who helped the United States find Osama bin Laden.”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/veterans-jobs-bill-blocked-in-the-senate/
Also, it did have some republican support.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
WOW, I didn’t realize BO canceled Egypts president meeting as well…what a great middle east policy..ignore both sides while initially suggesting it was a fortuitous event..
Can any of DEMs here, with a straight face, support President Spineless’
historically weak (Carteresque in fact), undefinable except the ostrich stategy and spineless foreign policy?
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
Stevie Ray,
“I concur.”
That was supposed to be after your first quote. Too much cutting and not enough attention to pasting
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
Scrap the thousands of pages of tax code and switch to a consumption tax.
The “FairTax” has yet to get out of committee regardless of which party chairs it.
It’s a piece of crap legislation and even if were to make it to the president’s desk for approval/veto, it would in no way resemble that which you have been duped by Boortz into believing.
Might as well face it — you were conned into buying two books.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:43 pm
JEWCOWBOY,
Sometimes I think best outcome is for Romney to win WH and DEMs to win both sides of congress…I think deep down, despite his catering to Tea Party, religious zagnuts and the like, he is a moderate, especially if his hand is forced by other side…
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:43 pm
Why is Obama ignoring Israel relationship?
Sean Hannity says right on!
Did the Uppity Kenyan cut off their hundreds of billions of dollars per year “aid” or something?
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:43 pm
“Cons never care about people. Only about corporations.”
What a clueless and stupid thing to say.
LOL! what is this?The Comedy Hour? Ziegfeld Follies??
Erwin's cat
September 24th, 2012
1:43 pm
TP – Tell us all about those Olympic games, Erwin,
I did….I know, I know Wiki is in the tank for the right
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:44 pm
Towncrier,
“You mean libs never care about people, only government forcing others to do what they, as a rule, are personally unwilling to do (”love your neighbor”).”
My statement? True. Yours? Just foolish con speak.
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:44 pm
Stevie Ray,
“Private companies are not in the business of creating or maintaining US jobs…”
So how does that jibe with those who use Romney’s business experience as a reason for electing him?
Holy Moly!
September 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
He did say that!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/mitt-romney-60-minutes-health-care_n_1908129.html
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
USMC,
“What a clueless and stupid thing to say.”
You cons are clueless to the very core beliefs of the party you support.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:46 pm
JAMVET,
Not only is he ignoring our “best ally (why our best ally has no oil is beyond me)but he is playing the otherside beyond poorly…I guess he thinks “leading from behind” crap will solve all this crap.
When you lead from behind..the view never changes..
Take a look at Woodwards book The Price of Politics..
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
You want percentages??? I will give you PERCENTAGES!
Romney Gave 1,000 Times as Much to Charity in a Year as Biden Gave in a Decade
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romney-gave-1000-times-much-charity-year-biden-gave-decade_652977.html
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
So Romney was wondering why the windows won’t open on an airplane to let in oxygen when there is a fire on the plane (referring to Ann’s emergency landing). Did this guy ever leave the house before the campaign started? Just wow!
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
Nothing wrong with having an ID with picture to vote…
Nothing right about requiring elderly voters, many of whom haven’t driven in years, to have to schlep over to a county office and wait in line to get a f-cking ID when they have been registered voters for 50, 60 years or more.
and if you think these efforts to disenfranchise a somewhat larger percentage of Those People aren’t going to wind up biting the GOP in the butt this year when Gran and Gramps find out that their vote won’t count? I’d say you best think again.
GEORGE P BURDELL
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
See where Romney gave one thousand times as much to charity in ONE year as Biden gave in TEN years…..yet Biden and Dems profess to love the poor people. Yes..they love to give away OTHER PEOPLES MONEY but not their own…stinking hypocrites!!!
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
you are so predictable as a leftist political hack jay…..the story starts off with your ilk harry reid lying and claiming romney hasn’t paid taxes for 20 years and then he is called a felon by your ilk and once he release his returns and completely proves that reid is a liar you then decide to move the goalpost and incenuate that he ‘now’ manipulates his taxes after the fact to make it look like he pays more than he really does…..people on this blog need to open their eyes and see the utter manipulation and deceit that the left and jay try to use daily to help their side retain power……this post is a complete joke and i didn’t even need to expose your lies on this one, your ilk have done it yourselves…..jay, take a look at charitable contributions compared to your democrat leaders and we see who actually has pays and gives their fair share to charity……this blog is corruption and deceit at its finest……this liberal media template is officially dead…..go ahead and move on to the next one jay, b/c billybob officially blew this one out of the water for you……hack
That Black Guy
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
Jefferson
September 24th, 2012
12:12 pm
Is the clown to the left or doing the posting, clarify.
________________________________________
Do you really seek clarity with that statement?
Just sayin’.
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
You doubling down on your opinion and using bumper sticker slogans are not helpful, SR.
Any facts, data, evidence, quotes or links to bolsters these odd claims about him ignoring Israel?
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
“You cons are clueless to the very core beliefs of the party you support.”–mm
Get a job and earn some money and you won’t HATE and ENVY other peoples’ success.
I know you can do it.
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Stevie Ray,
“I think deep down, despite his catering to Tea Party, religious zagnuts and the like, he is a moderate, especially if his hand is forced by other side…”
I think deep down, he’s simply ambitious…nothing more. He will do and say anything to become President. That does not speak well to the type of President he would be.
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
You rightwingers seem more unhinged than Romney.
I see the AARP booed Ryan. Ya gotta know your audience. LOL
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
It’s a piece of crap legislation and even if were to make it to the president’s desk for approval/veto, it would in no way resemble that which you have been duped by Boortz into believing.
and to pile on, if it were such a brilliant way to raise government revenue, why hasn’t some less-democratic, more-autocratic government somewhere on the planet gone to that model?
Nobody has ever given me a satisfactory answer to that one.
Holy Moly!
September 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Can anybody give me a link to the President’s schedule because since all of you know he cancelled a meeting with Bibi, you must know his schedule. I for one, am shocked to find out you know his schedule because it seems if you do, well then, wouldn’t someone who wants to harm him know the schedule also? But, if they aren’t in the same city at the same time, how could he agree to meet him in the first place?
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:51 pm
“Any facts, data, evidence, quotes or links to bolsters these odd claims about him ignoring Israel?”
Anti-Semitic much Amvet? Don’t like Jews??? Get over it. Let the hate go.
You are only angry at yourself for not accomplishing anything on life.
It is not too late.
That Black Guy
September 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
Doggone/GA
September 24th, 2012
12:15 pm
“Kind of like starting a War in Iraq , not having any type of monies funded for the WAR”
The war WAS funded…what it wasn’t was BUDGETED. It was paid for by off-budget bills.
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Doggone, you know you’re wasting your time correcting that line, right?
It will be repeated the exact same way with in the hour.
Simple Truths
September 24th, 2012
1:53 pm
I guess Mitt was just being patriotic. After all, it is patriotic to pay higher taxes.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
1:54 pm
In 2000, with the opening ceremonies still more than a year away, Arizona Sen. John McCain called the Salt Lake price tag “a disgrace,” and partnered with Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) to demand a Government Accountability Office investigation into how the games could cost so much.
Romney’s response was muted.
As he explained in a letter to the GAO: “Recognizing that our government spends billions of dollars to maintain wartime capability, it is entirely appropriate to invest several hundred millions to promote peace.”
My how times have changed Mitt’s muted response. Now, he would say,
“Recognizing that our government spends millions of dollars to maintain the entitlement crowd that pay no taxes and vote for Obama, it is entirely appropriate to invest several hundred billions to promote war.”
jewcowboy
September 24th, 2012
1:54 pm
Stevie Ray,
Just out of curiosity, do you think the months spent by Bush I to establish a coalition for the Gulf War was spineless?
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
In 2009 and 2010 Romney gave 80% of his charitable contributions to one organization – the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
And In 2011, not much changed. He contributed $1.115 million to the Mormon church and $214,516 to Tyler Charitable Foundation, an LDS proxy.
Other recipients include Romney’s former business school, and the library of the former president he has an incentive to curry favor with. In all, it is clear that Romney’s donations are about taking care of his own and advancing his personal interests. Relative to his vast wealth, he has given relatively little to programs that assist those truly in need.
Stay ignorant, my con friends…
mm
September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Get a job and earn some money and you won’t HATE and ENVY other peoples’ success.”
Like I said, ya gotta know your audience. In 2 years I’ll be retiring at the ripe young age of 55.
Don’t need food stamps. Don’t need SS. Don’t need Medicare or Medicaid. Don’t need welfare.
Brosephus™
September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
Here’s one thing I never understood about voter fraud..the DEMS suggest that there have been only a miniscule number of cases this has happened..I guess cops catch all speeders eh?
Nothing wrong with having an ID with picture to vote…without it, the rest of our votes have less meaning on a personal level….I reckon folks on either side must have something to blame poor outcomes too..??
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-look-voter-fraud-little-172327169–election.html
DENVER (AP) — Republican election officials who promised to root out voter fraud so far are finding little evidence of a widespread problem.
State officials in key presidential battleground states have found only a tiny fraction of the illegal voters they initially suspected existed. Searches in Colorado and Florida have yielded numbers that amount to less than one-tenth of 1 percent of all registered voters in either state.
Cops don’t generally go out looking for speeders. They usually sit in one spot and let the speeders come to them. Not a good analogy for that one. Even when going out and searching for fraud, in person voter fraud cases have popped up at a rate of 1 for every 1.5 million votes cast over the past 10 years or so. The ID laws, as written, are more effective for vote suppression than fraud detection.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
E. Cat — “JHM…I assume so..it states $1.2B in costs, $600M in taxpayer contributions, debt paid off in 2002 and a net profit of $101M…you tell me?”
If you follow that footnote, it leads to an Australian news story, and *their* source for that figure ($600M in taxpayer contributions) is . . . Mitt Romney.
No disrepect intended, but I’d prefer figures from a more objective source.
stands for decibels
September 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
Anti-Semitic much Amvet? Don’t like Jews?
yeah, fess up!
it was that time you got pantsed by those bullies at your bar mitzvah, right?
Krystal'sBalls
September 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
All I have to say is:
#1 – Give us the hard numbers of in-person voter fraud.
#2 – People who oppose VOTER ID, do not oppose voters having “ID” to vote. We just oppose the “gotchas” put in place to make it more difficult for people if not impossible to obtain a picture ID, when their CURRENT picture ID has been judged invalid for voting because they have since moved. Or they have to now pay to obtain a copy of birth certificate, SS card and who knows what else just so they can even get their picture ID updated. Let’s not even talk about trying to cut poll hours in certain districts while extending in others. How about this.. How about honoring the same combinations of ID as previously accepted, for say the OTHER past elections?
#3 – Because you cannot prove something doesn’t mean it’s not happening(??) Oh yeah, I get that one! Why don’t we just go ahead and lock everyone up for murder?? After all, just because we haven’t been caught doesn’t mean we didn’t DO it.
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
I’m the son of a holocaust survivor you jarheaded idiot.
How is it that you can get that huge yap of yours open so wide that you can get both feet AND your ass in there?
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
“Can anybody give me a link to the President’s schedule…”
We think he is with The View or SNL right now. No, he didn’t have time for Bibi…
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
S. Ray — “Private companies are not in the business of creating or maintaining US jobs…”
We know. We’re trying to get y’all to recognize that fact.
TaxPayer
September 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
I read wiki’s accounting of Mitt’s Olympics primarily because of all the detailed information they give on the topic, unlike this article.
Billybob
September 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
‘I think deep down, he’s simply ambitious…nothing more. He will do and say anything to become President. That does not speak well to the type of President he would be’
thanks for describing our current president jewcowboy…..easy one
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
JAMVET,
To say you are over-reacting to the annual amount of US aide to Israel is the understatement of the month is too kind. We send them $3 billion (i recall your number was hundreds of billions, my bad if I mis-read).
Also, I don’t recall in what context I suggested the flat lined numbers suggested was not a bad thing…I’m sure I had something specific in mind relative to that statement. It may have been relative to global competition..don’t recall.
I do know that in the last decade has been a bust for these folks…however, they are clearly not better off the last 4 years than before…funny how the DEMs went from micro to macro on this issue..
Regnad Kcin
September 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
USMC
September 24th, 2012
1:51 pm
“Any facts, data, evidence, quotes or links to bolsters these odd claims about him ignoring Israel?”
Anti-Semitic much Amvet? Don’t like Jews??? Get over it. Let the hate go.
You are only angry at yourself for not accomplishing anything on life.
It is not too late.
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What a bizarre post…
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
“I’m the son of a holocaust survivor you jarheaded idiot.”
I am shocked and sorry to hear that; seeing that your values are so ANTI-JEWISH.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:01 pm
Towncrier — “Then that strikes me as a change in your stance, since previously I got the impression you were “more interested” in “documented evidence”.
Shrug. I’m not responsible for your impressions.
JamVet
September 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
You are a complete disgrace, both as a human being and as someone who dares try to represent The Corps…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
September 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
JEWCOWBOY and Larry,
My point is that private, for-profit’s prime focus is shareholder value..if keeping jobs, given the impact of technology and global competition is profitable, this is the course they will HAVE to take…ergo, being in existence as a for profit entity, hiring US employees for the sake of some political BS, is not a material objective…
NO, I don’t think Romney has a better shot at increasing employment…too many variables he doesn’t control….he may benefit from a natural lift but economists are suggesting that may take 6-10 years if trends back to the 1920’s are a guide..
Joe Hussein Mama
September 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
USMC — “Romney Gave 1,000 Times as Much to Charity in a Year as Biden Gave in a Decade”
Yeah, those Mormons are sure hurting for donations.
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
“it was that time you got pantsed by those bullies at your bar mitzvah, right?”
Stands is really Snarky and a Trendy,Tough guy on the blogs… but Loser in real life.
b-troll
September 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
We took a special look at middle-class voters, and middle-class families in particular, in this latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll and found that not to be the case. In fact, on every measure it is Romney who is winning the battle for the support of middle-class families.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81584.html#ixzz27Pa9SJUv
oh well. there goes lib theory.
b-troll
September 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
In our latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll with middle-class families, which comprise about 54 percent of the total American electorate and usually split in their vote behavior between Republicans and Democrats, Romney holds a 14-point advantage (55 percent to 41 percent).
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81584.html#ixzz27PaPsn1g
USMC
September 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
“Yeah, those Mormons are sure hurting for donations.”
One Broken down Old Man’s hateful War on Mormons. Get over it, Joe.