Poll reveals deep doubts about economic fairness

The Public Religion Research Institute, which says it was “founded to provide high-quality public opinion survey research focused on religion, values, and American public policy,” just released a new nationwide polling study that puts particular focus on the attitudes of the white working class.

For example, the polling conducted in mid-August reported that white working-class voters gave Mitt Romney (48 percent) a 13-point advantage over Barack Obama (35 percent). However, that Romney advantage was due entirely to his 27-point advantage among white working-class men. Among white working-class women, the two candidates were tied. They were also all but tied among college-educated white voters, with Romney ahead by just two percentage points.

Romney’s lead among working-class white Americans could also be explained by his massive margin here in the South, where he led by 40 points, 62 percent to 22 percent. As the study notes, “neither candidate held a statistically significant lead among white working-class voters in the West (46% Romney vs. 41% Obama), Northeast (42% Romney vs. 38% Obama) or the Midwest (36% Romney vs. 44% Obama).”

If you do the math, the chances of a white working-class male in the South supporting Obama become pretty darn small, somewhere around 10-15 percent.

However, the more fascinating parts of the report go deeper, providing interesting data on attitudes regarding wealth and capitalism in modern America:

“Seven in ten (70%) white working-class Americans and over six in 10 (62%) white college-educated Americans believe the economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy. A majority (53%) of white working-class Americans also say that one of the big problems in this country is that we don’t give everyone an equal chance in life. However, less than half (48%) of white college-educated Americans agree that it’s not really that big a problem if some people have more of a chance in life than others.

Substantial majorities of black (78%) and Hispanic (69%) Americans agree that the economic system in this country favors the wealthy. There is, however, a substantial difference in intensity: nearly half (46%) of black Americans strongly agree with this statement, compared to 28% of Hispanic Americans. Over three-quarters (77%) of black Americans and around six in 10 (62%) Hispanic Americans agree that one of the big problems in this country is that we don’t give everyone an equal chance in life.

There are deep political divisions on the issue of equal opportunity. Nearly three-quarters (72%) of Democrats and a slim majority of Independents (53%) agree that one of the big problems in this country is that we don’t give everyone an equal chance, while nearly six in 10 (58%) Republicans say it’s not really that big a problem if some people have more of a chance in life than others. Similarly, only 44% of Republicans believe that the economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy, compared to 85% of Democrats and two-thirds (67%) of Independents.

The poll also explored what you might call the Paul Ryan Dilemma, after the vice presidential nominee who professes both a strong Catholic faith and, until recently at least, a strong affinity for the teachings of Ayn Rand:

“Americans are divided over the extent to which capitalism and the free market system and Christian values can coexist: a plurality (44%) believe that capitalism and the free market system are at odds with Christian values, while 41% agree that capitalism is consistent with Christian values. Fifteen percent say they do not know.

White working-class Americans are significantly more likely than white college-educated Americans to say that capitalism is at odds with Christian values. A majority (53%) of white college-educated Americans agree that capitalism and the free market system are consistent with Christian values, while 35% disagree. By contrast, a plurality (46%) of white working-class Americans believe that capitalism is at odds with Christian values, while 38% disagree.”

Overall 62 percent of white working-class Americans favor raising the tax rate on Americans with household incomes of over $1 million per year. Conversely, the report finds, “A solid majority (58%) of Americans agree that the federal government should provide fewer services and reduce taxes, while slightly more than one-third (36%) say the government should provide more services, even if it means higher taxes.”

These are the deeper currents that political experts in both parties are attempting to turn to their advantage in the next few weeks.

– Jay Bookman

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 24th, 2012
3:16 pm

The Public Religion Research Institute, which says it was “founded to provide high-quality public opinion survey research focused on religion, values, and American public policy,”

Religion is creeping further and further into the secular.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 24th, 2012
3:17 pm

Bain-owned cable STB company files for bankruptcy

More Robme business skills.

jewcowboy

September 24th, 2012
3:17 pm

“white working class”

What is the definition for this term? Education level, income level, job type or some combination thereof?

Jay

September 24th, 2012
3:19 pm

JC, they define it as “non-Hispanic white Americans without a four-year college degree who hold non-salaried jobs, and make up roughly one-third (36%) of all Americans.”

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm

“What is the definition for this term? Education level, income level, job type or some combination thereof?”

If you get a salary check – you’re white collar. If you get a paycheck – you’re blue collar (working class)

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm

more polling – Romney winning the Middle Class

In our latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll with middle-class families, which comprise about 54 percent of the total American electorate and usually split in their vote behavior between Republicans and Democrats, Romney holds a 14-point advantage (55 percent to 41 percent). Middle-class families are more inclined to believe the country is on the wrong track (34 percent right direction, 62 percent wrong track), are more likely to hold an unfavorable view of Obama (48 percent favorable, 51 percent unfavorable), and hold a more favorable view of Romney (51 percent favorable, 44 percent unfavorable) and Paul Ryan (46 percent favorable, 35 percent unfavorable) than the overall electorate. These middle-class families also hold a majority disapproval rating on the job Obama is doing as president (45 percent approve, 54 percent disapprove), and turn even more negative toward Obama on specific areas; the economy 56 percent disapprove; spending 61 percent disapprove; taxes, 53 percent disapprove; Medicare 48 percent disapprove; and even foreign policy 50 percent disapprove.

(Also on POLITICO: Mitt: Fundraising focus Obama’s fault)

All of this data make clear that Romney has won the strong support of middle-class families and is leading the president on an overwhelming majority of key measurements beyond just the ballot. In fact, when respondents were asked who, Obama or Romney, would best handle a variety of issues, Romney led on all but one including the economy (+9 percent), foreign policy (+3 percent), spending (+15 percent), taxes (+7 percent), Medicare (+2 percent), and jobs (+10 percent). Ironically, the one measurement Obama led Romney on was “standing up for the middle class” (+8 Obama), reinforcing that often the Democrats win the message war with the middle class, but not their hearts and souls.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81584.html#ixzz27PtOibvk

larry

September 24th, 2012
3:21 pm

I guess Im in the minority , the 10-15% siding with the President.

Im sorry, but I’m too informed to vote Republican.

Also, look at what they have done with the state of Georgia.

jewcowboy

September 24th, 2012
3:22 pm

NYTimes has a great article about working-class youth vote:

“Struggling Young Adults Are Question Mark for Campaigns”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/us/politics/struggling-young-adults-pose-challenge-for-campaigns.html

JamVet

September 24th, 2012
3:22 pm

Seven in ten (70%) white working-class Americans and over six in 10 (62%) white college-educated Americans believe the economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy.

Let them eat trickle down cake…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 24th, 2012
3:22 pm

Mandingo

September 24th, 2012
3:23 pm

Let me get this straight…….southern white guys and want to be rich white guys versus the rest of America………America we can win this !!!

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 24th, 2012
3:23 pm

As am over 50 white college educated male earning above the median salary, I am in the minority. Now where is my handout?

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm

b-troll — “more polling – Romney winning the Middle Class”

I already pointed out earlier today that this is the Republican analysis of that poll. Here are the actual poll results themselves:

http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html

You know, cons, you’re not doing your reputations any favors when you rail about liberal misrepresentation of polls and then link straight to conservative analysis — and not the actual poll itself.

Learn to effing READ, y’all. :roll:

larry

September 24th, 2012
3:25 pm

This is a worthwhile corrective almost anytime you see a national result for any class of voters or any trend over the past 40 years. The massive shift of the Southern vote from Democratic to Republican is, by far, the biggest electoral change in the past few decades, and it often overwhelms national survey results. It’s something you should always at least think about when you read an article about big changes in the electorate: is this really a national change, or is it mostly driven by changes in the South?”

Aquagirl

September 24th, 2012
3:25 pm

Thrice repeated drudgey spam.

Posted by people who don’t ask themselves “how the hell do you poll a FAMILY?”

St Simons

September 24th, 2012
3:25 pm

“…a plurality (44%) believe that capitalism and the free market system
are at odds with Christian values…..”

I like this number & this particular finding.
because this shows the white working class is starting to ‘figure out’
the trickle-down-jaysus con scam

The cons’ last bastion of base is crumbling.

larry

September 24th, 2012
3:27 pm

Thrice repeated drudgey spam.

I guess they keep repeating that because that is all they have.

Of course, if they read the whole article and all the poll results, they wouldnt post it.

But……wait!……..

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:27 pm

JHM – sorry, the poll is the poll. Romney winning the middle class.

Split hairs all you want. The data is the data.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 24th, 2012
3:27 pm

Now that the Mittster has cemented his relationship with The Ryan Plan, his advantage with the AARP crowd has vanished. Another demographic gone for the GOP.

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm

“drudgey spam”

Kamspam. Repeated too many times to count.

I read politico. Not drudge.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm

“…a plurality (44%) believe that capitalism and the free market system
are at odds with Christian values…..”

The problem with that question is that it’s too broad. There are many forms of capitalism…which one are the responders thinking of when they answer that question?

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 24th, 2012
3:30 pm

“…a plurality (44%) believe that capitalism and the free market system
are at odds with Christian values…..”
*************

Joel Osteen, you got some ’splainin to do.

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:32 pm

“which one are the responders thinking of when they answer that question?”

you mean there’s something other than the human devouring, evil, money worshipping, Bain bankrupting, crony, dirtbag, Madoff / Enron, thieving 1% capitalism?

I didn’t think liberals could consider such a thing.

Erwin's cat

September 24th, 2012
3:32 pm

a plurality (44%) believe that capitalism and the free market system
are at odds with Christian values…..”

is that supposed to mean or imply that they are anti-capitalism or anti-free market?

alittlecommonsense

September 24th, 2012
3:32 pm

The less successful you are, the more likely you are to say the deck was stacked against you. It’s either that, or it is your own fault (or you aren’t that capable). Which one are most people going to chose?

jewcowboy

September 24th, 2012
3:33 pm

“anti-free market?”

Wouldn’t that make them Republicans?

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
3:33 pm

b-troll — “JHM – sorry, the poll is the poll.”

Yes, it is. And you misrepresented the Republican analysis of it ON THAT SITE as the actual poll itself. Look at the link I posted. It’s got the poll results PLUS a link to both the Republican and Democratic analyses of the poll — that includes the one you posted.

Fact of the matter is that you just didn’t know what you were posting, Punkin. :D

“Romney winning the middle class.”

So say Republican spinmeisters. I wouldn’t hang my hat on that if I were you.

“Split hairs all you want.”

I’m not splitting any hairs. I’m just pointing out that you didn’t post the poll results despite your claim to have done so.

“The data is the data.”

Yes, it is. And you didn’t post it. You just posted GOP analysis of it. (pointing, laughing) :D

Pay closer attention, Punkin. You’re making your side look bad. :D

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2012
3:34 pm

“I didn’t think ”

Yes, you’ve made that apparent

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:35 pm

libs should read.

The knee-jerk reaction is to raise tax rates, as in the so-called Buffett Rule: Anyone earning more than $1 million should pay an effective rate of at least 30%. If this rule were in place today, it would more than double the Romneys’ income taxes.
Mitt Romney’s tax tease

Only, it wouldn’t. The Buffett Rule wouldn’t work, because really rich Americans do not have to show any “income” on their tax returns.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/opinion/mccaffery-romney-tax/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
3:35 pm

JAY,

So what is your point? I thought I was master of the obvious:-)

And what exactly will increasing revenue by 2% do anything other than make a political point? Where is the other 98% coming from and where is President Trillions plan for that? Same file as energy plan, foreign policy etcetera?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
3:36 pm

OBAMA is a master in majoring in the minors…useless.

Jay

September 24th, 2012
3:36 pm

“The less successful you are, the more likely you are to say the deck was stacked against you.

The reverse is also true, is it not? If you are successful, you are more likely to tell yourself that the free-market system is an excellent means of sorting the wheat from the chaff.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 24th, 2012
3:37 pm

The less successful you are, the more likely you are to say the deck was stacked against you.

There are many metrics to measure success.

It’s either that, or it is your own fault (or you aren’t that capable). Which one are most people going to chose?

I believe my world is more than an either/or binary existence.

Aquagirl

September 24th, 2012
3:38 pm

libs should read

…sez the guy who didn’t even read the link he posted.

JamVet

September 24th, 2012
3:38 pm

Priebus on Romney: ‘Not the best week’

Awwwww.

And he’s gonna get McCained in the only count that counts…

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/swing-state/?hp=f2

Paul

September 24th, 2012
3:38 pm

And those results, fellow bloggers, illustrate why the current lalaland Republican Party continues to lose ground.

Jay

September 24th, 2012
3:38 pm

I just found the report and data thought-provoking, Stevie Ray. Not trying to make any particular point here.

southpaw

September 24th, 2012
3:38 pm

Christianity is compatible with capitalism. While I’m sure everyone on the blog knows stories of some capitalists who don’t “walk the walk,” as the saying goes, ask yourself if it’s really capitalism that’s causing the problem. Look closer at the wrongdoer who comes to your mind, and you’re likely to find that greed, not capitalism, is causing the wrongdoing. Gotta go for now, but I’ll check back later and see if anyone can come up with a story of any capitalists who fulfill the two great commandments (love God and love their neighbor–and I don’t mean just lip service) but still show values contrary to Christianity.

One caution: I’m not going to get bogged down in semantics. If you want to point out slight differences among Christians and ask which version of Christianity I’m talking about, consult the poll or the pollsters. Whatever definition you find is fine with me.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
3:40 pm

JAY,

The answer is yes to your latest post…however, I wish someone could tell me what an equitable system looks like..and more importantly could get done with the BS system we have now…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
3:41 pm

JAY,

Good…so I retain the title of Master of the Obvious…

Paul

September 24th, 2012
3:43 pm

[[“Seven in ten (70%) white working-class Americans and over six in 10 (62%) white college-educated Americans believe the economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy. A majority (53%) of white working-class Americans also say that one of the big problems in this country is that we don’t give everyone an equal chance in life. ]]

Ever time this comes up on this blog the knee-jerk, unthinking postings from the Right is that “Obama wants to guarantee outcomes.”

But an ever-increasing number of American are seeing through this gross representation and are showing skepticism towards the party that can’t even understand what the opposition is saying.

Personally, I think Republicans know full well what Democrats are advocating, but they know they’re on the losing side if they try to address it head-on, so they resort to silly time with “guarantee outcomes” and ‘get free stuff” malarky.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2012
3:43 pm

“ask yourself if it’s really capitalism that’s causing the problem.”

Of course it isn’t. Any economic system is neutral. It exists to be used. It’s WHO uses it and HOW it’s used that can be for good or ill.

MiltonMan

September 24th, 2012
3:43 pm

Libs and their continued love affair with polls. Have a poll and ask the “average American” if the US is a democracy – 85+% would say yes. This country is not a democractic form of government

Jay

September 24th, 2012
3:43 pm

Good…so I retain the title of Master of the Obvious…

Well, duh!

Steve Shamrock

September 24th, 2012
3:43 pm

Charitable contributions in 2011:

Romney – 15%
Obama – 1%
Biden – $38.59

Romney is by far the most charitable. Obama and Biden are embarrassing…don’t they care about the needy. Horrible.

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:43 pm

JHM

“you misrepresented the Republican analysis of it ON THAT SITE as the actual poll itself.”

I did nothing of the sort bud.

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
3:45 pm

Here JHM. Let me post the data for you. See below. More data available elsewhere on Politico if you want it.

In our latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll with middle-class families, which comprise about 54 percent of the total American electorate and usually split in their vote behavior between Republicans and Democrats, Romney holds a 14-point advantage (55 percent to 41 percent). Middle-class families are more inclined to believe the country is on the wrong track (34 percent right direction, 62 percent wrong track), are more likely to hold an unfavorable view of Obama (48 percent favorable, 51 percent unfavorable), and hold a more favorable view of Romney (51 percent favorable, 44 percent unfavorable) and Paul Ryan (46 percent favorable, 35 percent unfavorable) than the overall electorate. These middle-class families also hold a majority disapproval rating on the job Obama is doing as president (45 percent approve, 54 percent disapprove), and turn even more negative toward Obama on specific areas; the economy 56 percent disapprove; spending 61 percent disapprove; taxes, 53 percent disapprove; Medicare 48 percent disapprove; and even foreign policy 50 percent disapprove.

(Also on POLITICO: Mitt: Fundraising focus Obama’s fault)

All of this data make clear that Romney has won the strong support of middle-class families and is leading the president on an overwhelming majority of key measurements beyond just the ballot. In fact, when respondents were asked who, Obama or Romney, would best handle a variety of issues, Romney led on all but one including the economy (+9 percent), foreign policy (+3 percent), spending (+15 percent), taxes (+7 percent), Medicare (+2 percent), and jobs (+10 percent). Ironically, the one measurement Obama led Romney on was “standing up for the middle class” (+8 Obama), reinforcing that often the Democrats win the message war with the middle class, but not their hearts and souls.

middle of the road

September 24th, 2012
3:48 pm

“Romney’s lead among working-class white Americans could also be explained by his massive margin here in the South, where he led by 40 points, 62 percent to 22 percent.”

That is because a lot of the “white working-class) in the South don’t like people of his skin hue.

Boris Badnoff

September 24th, 2012
3:48 pm

Rats. Those horrid right wingers have forced Our Beloved Messiah to withdraw the flag he designed for us

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/obama-campaign-quietly-ditches-faux-flag.php

Now we will have to wait until Nov 7 for Jay Bookman to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance to The Flag of Our Beloved Messiah. It’s such an improvement over what we’ve got. Those 57 stars replaced by the Face of The Messiah Rising Over the World when he has lower the sea levels and banished disease and bad feelings. And the new flag has no borders so that all may come and Worship Him. Excelsior.

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 24th, 2012
3:49 pm

Stevie Ray – ” I wish someone could tell me what an equitable system looks like..and more importantly could get done with the BS system we have now…”

Just Google “Economic Growth from 1945 to 1965″ and you will find that a combination of taxes, government and business all working together can actually accomplish a great many things.
:)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 24th, 2012
3:49 pm

Brandt Hardin

September 24th, 2012
3:50 pm

The dynamic duo of Romney and Ryan would drive the entire economy into a nose dive as long as it benefits the richest Americans. Income inequality is endangering the Middle Class and making paupers of us all who don’t have those millions upon millions of dollars. Read more about the role of Romney’s riches in this election and the power of his sacred undergarments at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/05/mitt-romneys-magic-mormon-underwear.html The working class of our country can’t AFFORD to allow this election to be bought and sold!

Erwin's cat

September 24th, 2012
3:50 pm

Milton ManThis country is not a democractic form of government

Sure it is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
3:50 pm

b-troll — “I did nothing of the sort bud”

You most certainly did.

3:20 PM — “more polling – Romney winning the Middle Class”

That wasn’t the poll; it was Republican analysis of it.

3:27 PM — “JHM – sorry, the poll is the poll. Romney winning the middle class.”

Except that wasn’t the poll. I posted a link to the poll. You simply posted a link to *analysis* of the poll.

3:27 PM — “Split hairs all you want. The data is the data.”

Analysis =/= data.

Citizen of the World

September 24th, 2012
3:51 pm

Only 44% of Republicans believe that the economic system in this country unfairly favors the rich? Really? That’s odd, since they’d probably agree that the justice system, the education system, the defense system, the healthcare system, the transportation system, and the tax system unfairly favor the rich. How do you separate out the economic system from the rest of those systems?

JamVet

September 24th, 2012
3:51 pm

The United States of America is a representative democracy, also called a democratic republic, which is a form of government in which the people elect officials to represent them.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
3:52 pm

b-troll — “Here JHM. Let me post the data for you.”

You don’t need to, as I already did.

“See below. More data available elsewhere on Politico if you want it.”

Once again, you’ve confused *analysis* of a poll with the poll itself.

Jay

September 24th, 2012
3:52 pm

That’s odd, since they’d probably agree that the justice system, the education system, the defense system, the healthcare system, the transportation system, and the tax system unfairly favor the rich.

No, I don’t think they would.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 24th, 2012
3:53 pm

JHM

Thanks for the link to the actual poll numbers.

Golly, I can’t imagine not being able to figure out the difference between the actual polling numbers and the GOP interpretation.

EEK!

stands for decibels - race traitor

September 24th, 2012
3:53 pm

from Jay’s linked pdf:

Equal numbers of white working-class Americans (28%) and white college educated
Americans (27%) identify Fox News as their most trusted media source.

I think you’ll all understand why I felt it necessary to append my screen name.

JamVet

September 24th, 2012
3:53 pm

These modern day Republicans are delusional enough that they would aver that they system unfairly favors those living in poverty…

weetamoe

September 24th, 2012
3:54 pm

*We* don’t give people an equal chance? Who are the *we* of whom you speak? Who should have the power to determine what an *equal chance* is? Anyone with the wisdom to determine that ? What we have learned in this past so so bad bad week for Romney is that Univision has the courage to call Obama a liar; Jake Tapper noted a specific whopper he told; and even CBS got him to reluctantly admit there are lies in some of his campaign ads (though Mr Blamer in Chief did fall back on the democrat default position of *both sides* do it.) So would you trust him to make any judgment at all about what is *fair*?

SwamiDave

September 24th, 2012
3:54 pm

The whole “rationale” behind the results can be seen in this paragraph:

“Overall 62 percent of white working-class Americans favor raising the tax rate on Americans with household incomes of over $1 million per year. Conversely, the report finds, “A solid majority (58%) of Americans agree that the federal government should provide fewer services and reduce taxes, while slightly more than one-third (36%) say the government should provide more services, even if it means higher taxes.”

Stated differently…..62% of white working-class Americans favor raising the tax rate on Americans who make more or have more than they do.

Then conversely……58% support smaller government / lower taxes while 36% favor bigger government (even if higher taxes are required to pay for it). Numbers which are not eerily comparable the actual breakdown of Americans who pay for the operations of government as opposed to their counterparts who are dependent upon it.

How surprising should we take it that Americans already enjoying benefits and services funded by the confiscated earnings of others support increasing that burden to fund more programs & redistribution?

-SD

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
3:55 pm

Here’s some data for you, b-troll. :D

Not only is the President leading Mitt Romney with the support of half of all likely voters (50% to 47%), but fully six-in-ten voters now believe Obama will ultimately win, compared to just 30% who express similar confidence about Romney. This is no small point; at this point in the election cycle, voters’ expectations help fuel turnout and influence the last of the undecided voters. Underpinning these expectations is a set of judgments that voters are forming about the two candidates, their visions, and plans for the country.

. . .

As the number of days left to change the trajectory of this election grows fewer and the prospects for the GOP increasingly bleak, the most withering criticism of Romney has come not from his opponents or the voters, but from Romney’s fellow Republicans. While the Presidential race is still likely to be close due to the composition of the electorate, the last month has produced critical shifts against Romney and for Obama. Romney’s problems go beyond his dismissal of 47% of Americans—many of whom pay a higher proportion of their income in taxes than Romney does.

. . .

One can see why Republicans are becoming increasingly desperate. Their attempt to frame the race as a referendum on Obama has failed. Obama is personally popular (53% favorable, 46% unfavorable), especially in toss-up states (57% favorable, 42% unfavorable). Moreover, fully half of voters nationwide approve of the job he is doing as President (50% approve, 48% disapprove), with even higher ratings in toss-up states (55% approve, 44% disapprove). This shift in impressions of the President’s job performance is due, in part, to improvement among independents and white men.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81586.html

stands for decibels - race traitor

September 24th, 2012
3:56 pm

I wish someone could tell me what an equitable system looks like..and more importantly could get done with the BS system we have now…

Posted for about the twentieth time:

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-peoples-budget/

Brosephus™

September 24th, 2012
3:56 pm

Well, since I’m not part of the White working-class in America, I could care less about this poll. Seems like the Public Religion Research Institute is doing nothing but pushing class and race warfare to gin up support for Romney and Ryan. Why would anybody sanction such a race bating poll as this? Why do they want to divide America?

Just thought I’d play the race/class divide card on this one since most of y’all White folks can’t do it. ;) :lol: :)

Citizen of the World

September 24th, 2012
3:57 pm

A strong middle class does not just happen, Republicans. It took a lot of favorable employment policies, a solid social safety net, quality public education, affordable college education, massive infrastructure, etc., to make it happen here and wherever a strong middle class exists. Your leadership is trying to dismantle all that in the name of fiscal responsibility, although when it comes to waging war, they have no worries whatsoever about deficits and such.

Aquagirl

September 24th, 2012
3:57 pm

I can’t imagine not being able to figure out the difference between the actual polling numbers and the GOP interpretation.

I can’t imagine not being able to figure out the difference even when someone repeatedly points it out.

Lawdy mercy.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
3:59 pm

BUTCH,

Good idea…let’s remember that we had no material global economy to contest with, deficit spending of any material sort, or the amount of those who pay no taxes…IMO, those are variables that have to be taken into account..

Brosephus™

September 24th, 2012
3:59 pm

EC @ 3:50

Don’t confuse him with fact. That makes him angry and bitter.

:)

JamVet

September 24th, 2012
3:59 pm

Creates new tax brackets that range from 45% starting at $1 million to 49% for $1 billion or more

Eliminates corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies; closes loopholes for multinational corporations

stands, that is a damn good start…

GasMan

September 24th, 2012
3:59 pm

At least 50% of those surveyed are below average intelligence. Just because people believe something does not make it so.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 24th, 2012
4:01 pm

The Romney camp is trying to explain away the latest polls in swing states showing Obama with leads in those states. They are saying the lead is within the margin of error so that means they are tied. Somebody needs to explain to Mitt the margin of error works both ways. That 4 point lead Obama has in the poll could be tied or could be an 8 point Obama lead. I would try to explain it to him but I think I would rather mediate middle east peace talks instead.

Fly-On-The-Wall

September 24th, 2012
4:01 pm

I have a question, do any of these polls breakdown the question – ‘Is the country headed in the right direction?’ – into something more tangible? I’m sure everyone has a different idea of what the correct direction is so I’d love to see more on that.

Oscar

September 24th, 2012
4:02 pm

Brosephus™

September 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
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Maybe they are just curious.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
4:03 pm

Aquagirl — “I can’t imagine not being able to figure out the difference even when someone repeatedly points it out.”

I know, right?

It makes all their complaints about polling bias quite laughable when they don’t even seem to know what they’re looking at most of the time.

Regnad Kcin

September 24th, 2012
4:03 pm

“At least 50% of those surveyed are below average intelligence. Just because people believe something does not make it so”

By definition, almost exactly 50% :)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
4:04 pm

STANDS,

I like that approach…only thing I’d add is a vocational, apprenticed based program similar to what is happening in Germany..if you didn’t see it on CNN late last evening, check it out..

Our kids should have more than just a college prep option…

Oscar

September 24th, 2012
4:04 pm

Citizen of the World
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Everything you mentioned took money out of the pockets of the top one per cent to make happen. And the conservatives were against every one of those policies.

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
4:05 pm

JHM – 5 pieces of data in that 3:55 of yours. versus 18 pieces of data in the information I posted. All supported by the poll.

Learn to read.

paulo977

September 24th, 2012
4:06 pm

Jam Vet @ 3:38pm…re:.recent polls for swing states
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More than encouraging !!!

Brosephus™

September 24th, 2012
4:06 pm

Maybe they are just curious.

Oscar

Even though my post was joking, hence the smilies and lauging, make sure to keep your answer to that though handy for the next time somebody does the same kind of thing for minorities. It’s funny that when things are done from a minority perspective, it’s all about sowing division and playing the race card.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 24th, 2012
4:07 pm

BRO,

Being master of the obvious, i submit to you that blacks aren’t acually black anymore than whites are actually white..

I think brown is more encompassing for former and pinkish is more apt for the latter…just my observation…

I can’t believe you would take advantage of your birth condition like that!

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
4:09 pm

b-troll — JHM – 5 pieces of data in that 3:55 of yours. versus 18 pieces of data in the information I posted.”

Nope. (laughing) :D

“All supported by the poll.”

All are nothing but spin. Are you really this clueless? (pointing, laughing) :D

“Learn to read”

Sonny, I’m not the one linking to partisan analysis and trying to claim it’s the actual poll results. (guffaw) :D

You pretty clearly took your HURRRR pills today.

GasMan

September 24th, 2012
4:09 pm

“By definition, almost exactly 50%”

Except for the Lake Woebegone area where every child is above average.

JamVet

September 24th, 2012
4:10 pm

Even brown seems inadequate, SR and Bro.

How about tawny copper colored people?!

Brosephus™

September 24th, 2012
4:11 pm

Being master of the obvious, i submit to you that blacks aren’t acually black anymore than whites are actually white..

You should get out a bit more. There are some Blacks who are considered “Blue-Black” or dark Black. There are some whites who are so pale that they resemble the color of milk. Trust me, I’ve seen them both and all shades in between. ;)

Jm

September 24th, 2012
4:12 pm

JHM thinks the numbers and polls are lies

Pointing. Laughing. At him.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 24th, 2012
4:12 pm

JHM

…the term “box of rocks” comes to mind.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 24th, 2012
4:14 pm

…the term “box of rocks” comes to mind.

See also:

“sack of hair”
“bag of hammers”

Joe Hussein Mama

September 24th, 2012
4:14 pm

Jm — “JHM thinks the numbers and polls are lies”

Nope. JHM can tell the difference between the actual poll results and the partisan analysis LABELED AS SUCH on the freakin’ website. :roll:

“Pointing. Laughing. At him.”

Yes, but you’re already a moon-howling crazoid who talks to his finger paints, so I’m not real worried about that. :D

Citizen of the World

September 24th, 2012
4:14 pm

Yes, Oscar, and although I’m no 1 percenter, these policies took money out of my pocket as well. Thing is, I’ll admit that the taxes I’ve paid have benefitted me and others. They seem to think that they get nothing back — like they are some “heroic” Ayn Rand industrialist — when the truth is that many of them were spawned by the middle class and then and now they have benefited greatly from the stability, the educated workforce, the extensive infrastructure, the secure borders, and the rest. More than they would from having a few extra coins to jingle in their pocket.

Erwin's cat

September 24th, 2012
4:15 pm

so how much where the tax payers stuck for TP?…You made the assertion, so you must know how much it was

Regnad Kcin

September 24th, 2012
4:15 pm

Jm

September 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
JHM thinks the numbers and polls are lies

Pointing. Laughing. At him
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What a very strange post!

Erwin's cat

September 24th, 2012
4:16 pm

oops…meant for downstairs

Mary Elizabeth

September 24th, 2012
4:17 pm

“If you are successful, you are more likely to tell yourself that the free-market system is an excellent means of sorting the wheat from the chaff.”
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From my perspective, this is an unfortunate way of perceiving one’s fellow men and women. It certainly does not portend well for advancing a spirit of egalitarianism among all people.

Perceiving of some as the “wheat” and others as the “chaff” creates caricatures in thinking of others and it drives wedges between people. That is why we would be wise to try to see both the value of those who work in the free market and the value of those who work as public servants to others. Doing so helps to soften perceptions of our fellowmen and women.

Fred ™

September 24th, 2012
4:18 pm

Erwin’s cat

September 24th, 2012
4:16 pm

oops…meant for downstairs
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Ya big dummy lol. Offsides: Minus five blog points……………

b-troll

September 24th, 2012
4:19 pm

JHM. Learn to link. This is the actual poll.

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/09/battlegroundpoll.html

All data supported the commentary at top. Facts, not lies. Getaclue.

Marty Huggins'

September 24th, 2012
4:20 pm

stands for decibels – race traitor
September 24th, 2012
3:56 pm

I can agree with many of the proposals in that plan.

However nothing is mentioned about the effEct that the ending of basically all subsidies would have on inflation.

Meaning if they cut oil subsidies that means out gas prices will go up.
Now I am one for ending subsidies, but I understand that means we will all pay way more for the goods we purchase everyday.

Can you help me as to where the report addresses this?
I looked quickly but did not find it.
I figure you linked to it so you must know the information and also where I can find it.

Seriously if the inflation portion of the equation is not in the report then the report is not worthy of consideration as fact if it leaves out such an important piece to the American people.

Again I am all for ending welfare for all. But……..
The poorest among us will be the most adversely effected by inflation.

So why it may make us feel good to get a blow in against the evil corporations, but would we be crippling our poor?

larry

September 24th, 2012
4:20 pm

Joe, id be very wary of JM.

I would go and check outside if i were you.

That’s strange, pointing and laughing at you .

When all you are doing is responding to a blog post.