If the GOP were a business, Bain would target it for restructuring

Seeing broad-based trouble in the polls, conservative leaders and pundits have already begun conducting “pre-mortum” autopsies of a campaign that still has six weeks to run. Most, like Peggy Noonan and George Will, are taking the easy way out, preferring to focus on the perceived failings of Mitt Romney as a candidate and on the failings of his political team, which they fear is in the process of squandering a historic opportunity.

But Mitt Romney, for all his faults, is not the problem. His campaign team is not the problem. To the contrary, Romney was the only plausible presidential candidate that his party produced this cycle. Herman Cain’s hilarious claims notwithstanding, Republicans would be losing by 15 or 20 percentage points today if they had nominated any other candidate in the field.

The problem is not the salesman. The problem is the product that he is attempting to peddle.

Remember, if they lose again this year, the Republican presidential candidate will have won a plurality of votes just once in the last six cycles, dating all the way back to 1992. That sole victory was itself an historic anomaly, with George W. Bush riding the patriotic post-9/11 wave to a very narrow two-point margin over John Kerry in 2004. The market is trying to tell them something.

I’ve written this before, and I’ll write it again and again:

This country needs a Republican Party that does not treat words such as “moderate” and “compromise” as moral abomination. We need a more rational Republican Party. We need a Republican Party that at least attempts to reach Americans of every race, religion and economic circumstance. Most important, we need a Republican Party capable of offering the American people a vision that matches up against reality and that does not require supporters and candidates to pretend to believe things that are not and never were true.

Conversely, we do not need a Republican Party that explains its losses as a failure to adhere to an increasingly cramped, even claustrophobic ideology.

Some figures on the right understand that as well if not better than those of us on the outside. I’ve already lauded a recent piece in Politico by Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, regarding Romney’s “47 percent” disaster. If you haven’t read it, do so.

Now let me add two other pieces to your reading list. The first is by Michael Gerson, the former Bush speechwriter, in The Washington Post. Here’s a small taste:

Yet a Republican ideology pitting the “makers” against the “takers” offers nothing. No sympathy for our fellow citizens. No insight into our social challenge. No hope of change. This approach involves a relentless reductionism. Human worth is reduced to economic production. Social problems are reduced to personal vices. Politics is reduced to class warfare on behalf of the upper class.

Conor Friedersdorf, writing in The Atlantic, offers an analysis that is similar but more complex and fundamental. It is provocative not in the Glenn Beck sort of way, drawing attention with the rhetorical equivalent of circus clowns and acrobats, but provocative because he gets at the heart of things.

He writes:

“It scarcely matters if the GOP starts tilting three more degrees toward social conservatism, or fiscal conservatism, or libertarianism, or centrism, if that agenda is shaped and pursued by a coalition incapable of adjudicating arguments on their merits, or separating fact from fantasy, or maintaining the most basic ethical standards.

This truth was evident during the GOP primary, where voters were presented with unacceptable candidates as diverse as the right itself. So broken are the information outlets (that) Tea Partiers in particular use to assess reality that for months they took Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, and Newt Gingrich seriously as potential or actual presidential contenders. They had every opportunity to see the respective character flaws of these figures; they were mostly self-evident, and persuasively described in great detail by the political press. Ah, but that’s the liberal media talking. With that phrase, any huckster can short-circuit the Tea Party reality-assessing apparatus for months. And while movement conservatism has failed for decades to shrink government, it has succeeded spectacularly in creating jobs for hucksters in the private sector.”

The Republican Party prides itself as the party of business. It preaches the importance of competition in culling the winners from the losers. However, it now finds itself in the position of a major brand name that year after year is losing market share to its competitors. Its salesmen out in the field — at least in regions outside the South — are having trouble making their numbers, and while the initial response back at headquarters may be to try to get better salesmen, at some point the repeated failure of that response must begin to provoke more difficult questions about the product itself.

Seriously, if you cannot beat the man whom many of you believe is the worst president in history, in an election-year economy that may be the worst since FDR, the market MAY be trying to tell you something.

– Jay Bookman

815 comments Add your comment

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
11:55 am

WE need a viable THIRD party! Something that speaks to the middle of the electorate. With a viable 3rd party, the two majors would start listening and stop preaching.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 22nd, 2012
11:58 am

“This country needs a Republican Party that does not treat words such as “moderate” and “compromise” as moral abomination. We need a more rational Republican Party. We need a Republican Party that at least attempts to reach Americans of every race, religion and economic circumstance. Most important, we need a Republican Party capable of offering the American people a vision that matches up against reality and that does not require supporters and candidates to pretend to believe things that are not and never were true.”

all I can say is that this is not my father’s GOP

M

September 22nd, 2012
11:59 am

It would, in fact, be great if we had a rational, sane conservative party and a true progressive party on the left that could compromise in good faith and govern from the center. Instead, we have bubble-dwelling moonbats on the right who drag the relatively spineless Democrats to the center and beyond.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 22nd, 2012
12:02 pm

more to the point … I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – if Reagan were alive today, the very people who venerate his name and worship at the idea of him being added to Mt. Rushmore would be the same people who would excoriate him for his profligate spending, the increased debt, immigration amnesty, and, of course a zero percent tax policy for the working poor …

Jay

September 22nd, 2012
12:04 pm

Debbie, if a “viable third party” were to emerge, one of the two existing parties would quickly disappear. We are fundamentally a two-party system, and hopes for rescue by a third party amount to hopes for divine intervention.

Ain’t gonna happen. It’s like wishing Santa would bring you a pony.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:06 pm

I’m first?! I’m first?!? Yippeeeeee!!! OMG I didn’t prepare a statement! I’m so honored!!! OK I’m going have to do this “off the cuff” so to speak!

First I want to thank Mitt Romney for finally releasing his 2010 taxes, (that he probably JUST did); and I want him to know I’m looking forward to him releasing the other 8 (’02, ‘03, ‘04, ‘05, ‘06, ‘07, ‘08, ‘09).

Then here’s another shout out to Romney for letting us know (with that 47%ers comment), just what he thinks of the “little people” and how much he wish we’d just clean his house and leave through the back door already.

Next I want to thank the great, the dynamic, RushLimpbawls, for his comments about male shrinkage due to “feminazis”!! That comment gave me countless hours of laughs and I am sooo glad that LimpBawls finally said what I’ve thought, (secretly), for years — the man has no pecker and very small balls.

Finally I want to thank my bud, my bro, my brother from another…….. Kam! Kam gave me the biggest laugh I’ve had since LimpBawls with this great photo that I wish to share with everyone. Thanks again Kam!

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/09/20/too-failed-to-bail/#comment-110760

Oh and a shout out to all you “little people” who can’t ask your father for money to go to college, (like double duh!); you guys are a drain on the economy and the only thing you’re good for is to whine and live off the government! Get a job loosers!!! :)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm

Goody USinUK you’re here!! This is off subject, (sorry jay), but………….heard you have a website of favorite, (hopefully idiot proof), recipes!

Could I please have the link?

Oh and USinUK — you’re looking great today! Is that a new dress?

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm

“We are fundamentally a two-party system, and hopes for rescue by a third party amount to hopes for divine intervention.”

heck, even here in the UK where we have upwards of 5 viable parties, we’re still essentially a 2-party system with the Tories and Labour. Lib Dems have always been also-rans — and, now, the coalition government has permanently consigned them to the scrapheap of history, entrenching us even more towards the 2 leading parties

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 22nd, 2012
12:12 pm

Hiya DDR!! as a matter of fact, I do!! http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/

(in fact, just made another batch of the lead recipe – pear and chocolate jam … and it rocks!)

dress on a saturday??? are you mad, woman??? jeans and a sweatshirt with a cutiepie pup sleeping next to me … cuz that’s how we roll on the weekend :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
12:12 pm

Seriously, if you cannot beat the man whom many of you believe is the worst president in history, in an election-year economy that may be the worst since FDR, the market MAY be trying to tell you something.

A year ago we were reading on this very blog that Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama. Maybe they should have nominated Elmer.

Brosephus™

September 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm

This country needs a Republican Party that does not treat words such as “moderate” and “compromise” as moral abomination. We need a more rational Republican Party. We need a Republican Party that at least attempts to reach Americans of every race, religion and economic circumstance. Most important, we need a Republican Party capable of offering the American people a vision that matches up against reality and that does not require supporters and candidates to pretend to believe things that are not and never were true.

“People in hell need ice water too.”
–Thomas Jefferson

In other words, common sense would lead one to see what we need. Uncommon sense is what’s keeping us from getting what we need because of the flawed thinking of some who are intent on getting what they want instead.

USMC

September 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm

“If the GOP were a business, Bain would target it for restructuring”–Jay Bookman

DNC Literally in Hock to SEIU
http://freebeacon.com/dnc-literally-in-hock-to-seiu/

Jay, you are really starting to grow on me. :-)

I think you have a future in comedy kiddo!

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:15 pm

Jay — I wanna pony!! Even though I know the system is rigged by the dominant parties, (hard for an Independent to get on the ballot of Georgia for instance), I still think, it COULD happen.

We had a chance in ‘92(?) with a viable candidate for president, and again when an Independent won the governorship of Minnesota — not to mention Sen. Libermann who won as an Independent, I think it can happen. The people just have to seriously look at a third party as a CURE not a distraction.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
12:16 pm

Hiya DDR.

The joke that I wanted to share the other night, was the one in the comments that you copy/pasted. I really thought that it wouldn’t get past the auto censor, and if it did (which it did), I thought for sure that there would be repercussions.

USMC

September 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm

“If the GOP were a business, Bain would target it for restructuring”–JAY BOOKMAN :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-t8PngHgWY

RNC Trounces DNC in Recent Fundraising
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/RNC-DNC-Fundraising-Rove/2012/09/21/id/457138

Jay

September 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm

That’s fine, USMC.

But again, if you can’t beat the “worst president evah” in the “worst economy evah” with a candidate who was clearly the class of the GOP field, does that tell you something? I note your bluster, but beneath that bluster, doesn’t that worry you at least a bit?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm

Thanks UsinUk!! I’ve bookmarked the site and (when there’s no one home to talk me out of it), I’m gonna start a-cooking!!

PS: EVERYONE on the blog talks about your great recipes; made me jealous! :wink:

larry

September 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm

Maybe they should have nominated Elmer.

He would have gotten the NRA stamp of approval.

“Shhhhhhhhhhe, be berry,berry quiet, i’m hunting rabbit…..hehehehhehehe

Randy Ayn

September 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm

The GOP has become the party of those waiting for the Apocolypse, Birthers, and racists. Those moderate GOPers, and there are some, would be more effective if they just became Democrats and worked to keep the Dems from drifting too far to the left.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:21 pm

Kam – ssshhhhhhhh ixnay on the ixcensornay! Some things are better NOT spoken out loud! It just draws attention — sort of like saying “CandyM—n” 3x in the mirror!

Don Abernethy

September 22nd, 2012
12:21 pm

If the DNC was a business we would have been bankrupt long ago and out of business. Especially since the DNC business had leaders like Obama and Barney Frank who have no business experience.Frank brought on the housing crisis and then retired.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm

DDR

Quit talking about the menz Shortcomings

:-)

We are sensitive that way LOL

USMC

September 22nd, 2012
12:24 pm

“But again, if you can’t beat the “worst president evah” in the “worst economy evah” with a candidate who was clearly the class of the GOP field, does that tell you something? I note your bluster, but beneath that bluster, doesn’t that worry you at least a bit?”–JAY BOOKMAN

Bluster, Jay??? I think you stayed up too late at Midtown Music festival taking in all of the festivities.

Does it bother you that even though the mainstream media has thrown all of it’s resources behind the OBAMA(incumbent) re-election campaign, the polls show Obama 47/Romney 47??…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm

“PS: EVERYONE on the blog talks about your great recipes; made me jealous!”

awww – thanks!! I need to post my new favorite chicken marinade recipe … too ridiculously yummy (and fast and incredibly easy)

larry

September 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm

When they nominated Mr. Romney as the Gop standard bearer, i thought he would move back to the center-right candidate he was 10-15 years ago.

Instead, he called that candidate a liar and kept on argueing with himself from that time period. All in order to please the far right and the tea party. The same group the Treasury Secretary from Austrailia called dangerous for the world economy.

Randy Ayn

September 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm

Don, how many great presidents had experience running a business (not counting farms staffed with slaves)? Lincoln? FDR? Reagan (not my picture of a great prez – but you get the point)? Clinton? Bush ran an oil business into the ground and then went in on a baseball team that got the government to build them a big stadium. Was he your great business leader? No thanks on having that again.

Patrick

September 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm

<<>>

Sorry for the interruption. Please continue speaking amongst yourselves…

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm

Debbie, a quote favored by Ralph Nader: In great attempts it is glorious even to fail. Cassius Longinus.

Jay

September 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm

Yes, USMC, I see those numbers. I also see rising signs of panic/despair among GOP political professionals who know a thing or two about how such things play out. These are conservative pundits I’m quoting here; I don’t see that handwringing and blame-throwing on the left, do you?

USMC

September 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm

“(not counting farms staffed with slaves)?”–Randy Ann

there’s your sign :-)

Janney

September 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm

DDR, you are a riot!

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm

okey dokey, guys –

I’m off – have a great weekend!!

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2012
12:31 pm

But… But… Paul Ryan just knows that his message is right and true and fair and wholesome. He just had some Democratic Party hecklers in the AARP audience that were paid to boo his message of salvation through the elimination of all things not Rand. And don’t toss out that line about the Divine Ms. Ayn turning to the government in her hour of need because she earned that, unlike those people currently on social security and medicare and federal pensions and veteran’s benefits, etc. Those people are part of the taker class… It’s true. We know it is true because Paul Ryan cannot tell a lie. And even if you do not believe me, you can still find out by asking Mitt. He’ll tell what I’m saying is true, in private. Honest, he will. :lol:

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:33 pm

Common – it wasn’t me who went on National Radio and said those things! On a sidenote, do you think Rush is back on the sauce?

USMC: Does it bother you that even though the mainstream media has thrown all of it’s resources behind the OBAMA(incumbent) re-election campaign, the polls show Obama 47/Romney 47??…

Not really. Mainly because they don’t poll people like me — Even independent pollsters who set up polls on websites, don’t put them on sites that I frequent. Besides, I think a good feeler are the exit polls during the early voting rounds. Historically, early voting takes place a month before Super Tuesday; so neither side should be too worried about polls. Numbers go up and numbers go down.

USinUK — chicken marinade huh? Post it girl! Post it!! :)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm

Jay

As I say once again. Romney is a great American as he is throwing the election.

He is either so obtuse or he realizes that the far right is not good for the USA.

I am not sure which way he leans but he is tossing the vote of the people.

:-)

I still vote for President Obamas white half LOL

:-)

larry

September 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm

Earlier this month, President Obama and the Democratic National Committee reported raising over $114 million in August together. They bested the Romney campaign and the RNC, whose joint total was $111 million.

Now who was outraising who?

USMC

September 22nd, 2012
12:35 pm

“Yes, USMC, I see those numbers. I also see rising signs of panic/despair among GOP political professionals who know a thing or two about how such things play out. These are conservative pundits I’m quoting here; I don’t see that handwringing and blame-throwing on the left, do you?”–JAY

No, Jay. I am not worried about what “pundits” are saying. (Repubs or Dems)

I am curious why you are not worried about Obama’s Foreign Policies “Disaster” last week which resulted people getting KILLED, namely an Ambassador et al.

People are waking up to that lack of experience and outright dishonesty of this administration.

But I know you are going to believe and preach what you are told to believe and preach by the “progressive” operatives that control you. :-)

Brosephus™

September 22nd, 2012
12:36 pm

http://gma.yahoo.com/man-critical-jumping-bronx-zoo-tiger-den-204313702–abc-news-topstories.html

A man was hospitalized after apparently jumping off an electric monorail ride and over an electric fence into the tiger den at New York’s Bronx Zoo this afternoon.

The victim, who zoo officials said was approximately 25 years old, suffered multiple wounds, including tiger bites and fractures, according to Emergency Medical Services and police. Among the injuries were a deep wound to the back, a tiger bite to the right ankle that possibly caused a fracture and a right knee injury.

So, within the same year, we have a man go through hell and high water to get attacked by a tiger and Romney comes out of the GOP primary as the candidate of choice.

Coincidence???

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
12:36 pm

Politics is reduced to class warfare on behalf of the upper class.

Of the innumerable insane aspects regarding these neocons, this is arguable the most insane.

Can someone tell me of any other segment of society in any country at any time, that actually lobbied against their own self-interests??

It would be like the French citizens of the 1780s fighting to keep Louis XVI in power.

These neocons are crazy…

larry

September 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm

Time for an after lunch nap.

Got to get ready to watch the game tonight.

Go Dawgs.

Randy Ayn

September 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm

USMC, how many people were killed as a result of bush 2’s foreign policy blunders? Want to go back to that? The people running Romney are the same people that controlled b2 (and b1, but at least he didn’t listen to them all the time). They really don’t care about the country, just their own bottom line.

Not Blind

September 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm

It’s not only the GOP that needs restructuring, it’s the [D] and the whole freaking government. A 2 party system is fine. Just throw out the primary system and everybody that qualifies ends up on the ballot. The person with the most votes gets elected.

Also, what the left calls the ‘center’ has been moving leftward for decades.

Here is another observation. The libs can’t lose in this election. Even if Romney wins we still won’t have a true conservative in the WH. If not for the inappropriate [R] by Romney’s name libs would not have any problem voting for him and would have already thrown the incumbent failure under the bus.

M

September 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm

I am now officially scared to death as to what a “true conservative” must be.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm

Out for a while.

Be Nice, if not hide the bodies.

:-)

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm

Obama’s Foreign Policies “Disaster” last week which resulted people getting KILLED…

And…

Also, what the left calls the ‘center’ has been moving leftward for decades.

Perhaps a big part of the answer to the question in my last post can be attributed to a staggering neocon lack of intellectual firepower and honesty.

Gullibility and mental midgetry – a deadly combination!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm

Also, what the left calls the ‘center’ has been moving leftward for decades.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

getalife

September 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm

The gop said that after our President is reelected they still refuse to raise taxes on the wealthy.

Americans finally woke up to the fact that the gop only helps Americans that need no help from anybody.

Cut gop welfare for the wealthy and focus on middle class jobs to replace the jobs they outsourced.

Toss the kitchen sink at this new focus to catch up with other countries.

The wealthy will be fine.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
12:51 pm

Even if Romney wins we still won’t have a true conservative in the WH. If not for the inappropriate [R] by Romney’s name libs would not have any problem voting for him and would have already thrown the incumbent failure under the bus.

Question – When was the last time a TRUE conservative was in the White House? I’d say it was when Clinton was in. But you’d probably think i was insane.

Another question – Do you really think “libs” to be so uninformed, so ridiculously partisan that they would vote for a man like Romney with out without the “R” by his name?

Romney’s win in Massachusetts was when he was in the CENTER — however during his years in the big boy chair, he proved to be not so much as a true centralist as he was a centerish clinging to the right governor.

During these past few years he’s become so far right, that the T-Party has to wear binoculars to find him. And THAT would be someone a “lib’ would vote for?

Hmmmm ………. say, I’ve got some brand new swamp land in Florida I wanna sell……you wanna buy it?

Brosephus™

September 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm

Also, what the left calls the ‘center’ has been moving leftward for decades.

That’s funny… :lol: :lol: :lol:

What do we have here, a comedian?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNbaf1Uoqk8

Brosephus™

September 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm

@ 12:52

NSFW… Gunnery Sgt. Hartman at his best.

Stephenson Billings

September 22nd, 2012
12:53 pm

“Americans’ distrust in the media hit a new high this year, with 60% saying they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. Distrust is up from the past few years, when Americans were already more negative about the media than they had been in years prior to 2004.”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157589/distrust-media-hits-new-high.aspx

Stephenson Billings

September 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm

Best explanation so far of why the polls are so close

Study: Only 15 Percent Of Democrats Believe Economic News Is Bad

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/20/study-only-15-percent-of-democrats-believe-economic-news-is-bad/

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm

With the massive neocon red shift (hat tip Edwin Hubble) to the far right political fringe, anything in compassion seems to be a shift to the left!

But no, the reality is that the Democrats have become much more corporatized and militaristic since the 1980s.

Welcome to the Occupation

September 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm

DebbieDoRight: “We need a viable THIRD party! Something that speaks to the middle of the electorate”

Like a whole in our heads, we do. Good God no!

What we need quite obviously, what we clearly do NOT have, is a strong and aggressive left.

It is the lack of a strong left that is the source of all of our maladies politically speaking.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm

Oh well, see ya’ll later!!

Go all my teams that i love!!

DIE BAMA!! – Play some REAL teams you bragging BAs##45ds!

Eat sh#56t OSU – Home of the suck eyes!

Eat SH##%%^&t and DIE USC — Lane Kifflin wears panty hose!

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm

…the data found that some Americans were actually beginning to feel better about the outlook of the economy.

Certainly MUCH improved form the days when one of the five greatest American presidents ever said, This sucker could go down. ~George W. Bush, September 26, 2008

Welcome to the Occupation

September 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm

DebbieDoRight: “We need a viable THIRD party! Something that speaks to the middle of the electorate”

We ALREADY HAVE a party that speaks tot he “middle” of the electorate.

It’s called the Democratic party.

getalife

September 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm

corporate media will help corporate power.

Duh.

Anyhoo, I still don’t get why middle class voters vote gop.

The only party that votes for the middle class are the dems.

Brosephus™

September 22nd, 2012
1:07 pm

DIE BAMA!! – Play some REAL teams you bragging BAs##45ds!

Well, we’ve already committed to playing Auburn for the Iron Bowl, so that’s one week that we can’t play a REAL team. :twisted: :lol: :twisted:

——————————

Americans’ distrust in the media hit a new high this year, with 60% saying they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly.

Well, what do you expect after years and years of playing people’s fears against each other? When you sow, water, and nurture the seeds of distrust, don’t be surprised when it’s time to harvest the bounty.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
1:07 pm

What we need quite obviously, what we clearly do NOT have, is a strong and aggressive left.

Quickly, gotta go, but things get done in the middle not in the fringes. If a party can’t compromise for the COMMON GOOD of the electorate, than WHY would we need them?

Who needs more years of the same partisan bickering while the populace pays the price for their stubbornness? We need people in office who are there to HELP not hurt the uSA.

We don’t need someone saying “government is the problem”; while at the same time campaigning for a government job; how ridiculous is that?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
1:10 pm

Anyhoo, I still don’t get why middle class voters vote gop.

Wedgie issues — abortion, teh gheys, stem cell research, teh gheys, ten commandments, teh gheys, prayer in school, teh gheys….

Welcome to the Occupation

September 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm

getalife: “The only party that votes for the middle class are the dems.”

Sadly, I’d have to disagree. They certainly pay lip service to it alright but their policies betray their real loyalties when all is said in done.

Exhibit A: NAFTA. Recall that NAFTA was pushed through under a Democratic president over the objections of the more progressive voices in its parties, and the other party. And yet, despite all the evidence that anyone could ever want of its devastating effects for the bulk of working people, the current president has serenely continued right on down that road with a whole new raft of free trade agreements in Asia and S America.

This Democratic party cannot in any way shape or form claim to be a progressive party given its shameful capitulation on these abominable free trade agreements. It instead shows its true colors as a party of the center right.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

September 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm

we need a Labour party or a Social Democratic party, like the
civilized countries have. The US Democrats are more ‘conservative’
(if that word means anything anymore) than the Tories or cons
in 1st world countries.

These crazy cons here will ‘Darwin’ themselves, no worries there.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 22nd, 2012
1:16 pm

Wilbur

September 22nd, 2012
1:16 pm

Right on que, Jay picks up the meme to play the line the media has agreed upon for the moment. When I see the same theme in different places all about the same time, I know they are taking orders from a higher power.
Alternatively the media lapdogs might have all come to the same conclusion at the same time. Not likely as it would require them to think for themselves.

Wilbur

September 22nd, 2012
1:18 pm

A much more logical column right now would have been the disaster in Benghazi, denied and lied about by the Obama administration. The muslim terrorists are resurgent on 9/11 and Bookman can’t muster a mention.
Because he was told not to.

yuzeyurbrane

September 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm

Jay, very logical fact-based article. Most of Tea People never even post here, much less read your articles. The most frequent Tea Posters (cc, Linda, Centrist) are over in their alternative universe posting on Kyle’s blog. Even if they read your articles, the key thing is logic would not appeal to them. Therefore, my prediction is that after losing a couple of more Presidential elections and then control of Congress, the Supreme Court will fight a rear-guard action for them but the party itself is destined to go the way of the Whigs.

Stephenson Billings

September 22nd, 2012
1:22 pm

“A much more logical column right now would have been the disaster in Benghazi, denied and lied about by the Obama administration. The muslim terrorists are resurgent on 9/11 and Bookman can’t muster a mention.”

They’re just hoping no one notices and/or forgets their initial stand on the issue. That’s what happens when you get into perpetual spin mode to protect the president from his failures. No matter how many times they keep reiterating that it was all about some anti-Muslim film no one saw (kinda like that Bill Maher film than also castigates the Muslims) doesn’t make it true.

Welcome to the Occupation

September 22nd, 2012
1:23 pm

Who needs more years of the same partisan bickering while the populace pays the price for their stubbornness? We need people in office who are there to HELP not hurt the uSA.

I’m surprised at you, DebbieDoRight. I thought you were one of the more left-leaning voices on this blog. Anyway, needless to say I could not disagree with you more when you say “but things get done in the middle not in the fringes”

Stop and ask yourself this: how did we ever get the 5 day, 40 hr work week? Child labor laws? Not to mention the entire slate of New Deal programs that literally made up the fabric of a reasonably broad and prosperous middle class in the last century?

Would FDR ever have been pushed to remake our American system as radically as he did without all the countless radical movements that were behind him, agitating on the streets, or without a strong and radicalized left that included not insignificant contingents of socialists and communists?

I think the answer is pretty clear.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
1:23 pm

A much more logical column right now would have been the disaster in Benghazi, denied and lied about by the Obama administration. The muslim terrorists are resurgent on 9/11 and Bookman can’t muster a mention.

Did Rush instruct you to post that?

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
1:24 pm

Wilbur, did you think that 1:16 up all by yourself?

It sure looks *exactly* like countless other posts here every week!

Welcome to the Occupation

September 22nd, 2012
1:25 pm

Wilbur: “When I see the same theme in different places all about the same time, I know they are taking orders from a higher power.”

What about when the meme even pervades in large parts of the partisan right-wing media? What does THAT mean?

Joseph

September 22nd, 2012
1:26 pm

Jay you make no sense… What happened in the historic 2010 elections when the dem brand became toxic? The gap is still there and normal folks align more with the Republican Party. Especially on social issues. Homo marriage, abortion and the like..

Joseph

September 22nd, 2012
1:27 pm

How bout them tax returns? Romney gave more to charity last year than Obama and Biden has given in their lifetime….

DannyX

September 22nd, 2012
1:27 pm

“What about when the meme even pervades in large parts of the partisan right-wing media? What does THAT mean?”

I don’t think Wilbur read Jay’s column. He just went straight to the talking points.

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
1:29 pm

What happened in the historic 2006 and 2008 elections when the gop brand became toxic?

Including a still unimaginable, never to be touched, 93% loss rate for races in the US Congress. governorships and of course the big prize – the White House…

DannyX

September 22nd, 2012
1:32 pm

“Romney gave more to charity last year than Obama and Biden has given in their lifetime….”

Yea, that’s right up there with Mitt dying his face brown for his Telemundo interview. Mitt’s marketing department in action.

SMMcMahon

September 22nd, 2012
1:33 pm

I think we have to live with a fact about the GOP. The party cannot ever tell people, even their supporters, at least the ones that aren’t millionaires, what they will actually do if they have the chance. If they did, they would never elect another Republican to national office. They get away with it in some congressional districts – the ones gerrymandered to the point of idiocy. But, not with most Senate races and definitely not for President.

Consequently the GOP must lie, obfuscate and demonize the opponent to elect a President. We get lies about them wanting to preserve Medicare. They can’t tell the truth – they want to eliminate it, they always have. They can’t tell the truth about lowering taxes for the wealthy – it’s not about creating jobs, it’s about taking care of their big donors. They can’t tell the truth about global warming – they know it’s happening, they don’t care because any action to save the planet would hurt profits. They can’t tell the truth about spending – they are not against spending, they just want to spend on the military and their corporate sponsors. The can’t tell the truth about the size of government – they don’t want a small government, they want a government so big it can police every womb.

To elect a President, Republicans have to lie because no one in their right mind would buy what they are actually selling.

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2012
1:34 pm

Romney’s Swiss bank account, which appeared on his 2010 tax return, has disappeared.

As did 17,999 others after that DoJ crackdown.

Not much need for those accounts any longer.

Stephenson Billings

September 22nd, 2012
1:34 pm

“Not to mention the entire slate of New Deal programs that literally made up the fabric of a reasonably broad and prosperous middle class in the last century?”

Thanks to a pressured Supreme Court (and the attempted court packing) that suddenly discovered a slew of gov’t powers in the Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

David M. Green

September 22nd, 2012
1:36 pm

Of course Jay a third party won’t happen since it would force both the Democrats and Republicans to face reality and become competitive while both would be forced to give up their cherished myths and lies: Republicans in regards to the economy and Democrats in regards to abortion and feminism. This why both the D’s and R’s have conspired to write and pass the laws that keep the voters reeling to and fro between two dysfunctional political parties like drunken sailors on a binge, making Uncle Sam – America – look a mental patient suffering from schizophrenia.

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
1:36 pm

Mr. “14.1% effective tax rate” Romney?

Joseph you paid a higher rate than he did!

President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, reported earning about $789,674 in income in 2011, and gave about $172,130 to charity, or about 22 percent, according to filings.

The Obama’s largest contribution was to the Fisher House Foundation, which provides housing for war veterans.

Thomas heyward Jr

September 22nd, 2012
1:39 pm

It is no coincidence that the Bookman left AND the Libaugh right of the Washington Party ignores Ron Paul.
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Reality frightens them both.
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The majority of Decent Americans rejects BOTH of your war-mongering immoral Statist puppets.
As does the world.
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Forward Freedom.

DannyX

September 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm

“It is no coincidence that the Bookman left AND the Libaugh right of the Washington Party ignores Ron Paul.”

That makes no sense. 99% of the American public ignored Ron Paul. The 1% that didn’t ignore Paul believe they 80%, not 1%.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
1:45 pm

Thomas heyward Jr

After doing the sock-puppet thingie, it’s always a good idea to double check the spelling and pay attention to upper/lower case deviations when you start posting again.

Just suggestin’.

Welcome to the Occupation

September 22nd, 2012
1:47 pm

“that suddenly discovered a slew of gov’t powers in the Commerce Clause of the Constitution”

They ‘discovered’ the powers alright. Best thing to do with the Constitution is ramrod it, plug holes in it, make it sing.

Drive over it with the steamroller of justice.

That’s what you can do with your “constitution”.

td

September 22nd, 2012
1:48 pm

For Romney not being 10 points ahead in the polls right now is more of an indictment of half the nation and the media then on the message of the Republicans.

Romneys message is right. We can not continue to spend and go into debt at this rate and have a viable economy but 47% of this country does not want to hear the message that they have to get off the government teet and start taking responsibility for their themselves.

Although I still believe Romney will be elected, it really does not matter because what Romney is saying will have to be done in the next 4 years.

FACTS: You libs are delusional if you believe taxing the rich is the answer. The past 4 years the government has spent a trillion dollars more then it has brought in. Obama wants to raise the rates of the top 10% of tax payers back to the Clinton rates. This will bring in $70 billion per year. We still have a $930 billion deficient. Where is the other money going to come from?

The top 10% of wage earners made $1.3 trillion last year. Are we going to tax them at 100% to keep the spending going?

getalife

September 22nd, 2012
1:50 pm

Occupation,

It is true the dems vote with the gop for corporate power and unlimited donations.

The voting records don’t lie but now we have a President that wants to focus on the middle class.

Exhibit A, The recent vote on another middle class tax cut.

The dems voted yes, the gop voted no and blocked it.

Now, their speaker said after his reelection they will still vote no on raising taxes on the wealthy.

The dems will vote yes.

I don’t listen much to their rhetoric, I watch how they vote on C Span.

Thomas heyward Jr

September 22nd, 2012
1:51 pm

DannyX

September 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm

“It is no coincidence that the Bookman left AND the Libaugh right of the Washington Party ignores Ron Paul.”

That makes no sense. 99% of the American public ignored Ron Paul. The 1% that didn’t ignore Paul believe they 80%, not 1%.
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Here boy ……..take your government medicine/info.
It might taste bad but……….it’s good for ye.

And take this too……….the TARP program was “wildly succesful” and we really actually MADE money off of it.
They hate us for our freedoms.
And Obama cares about you.
Romney too.
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lol

getalife

September 22nd, 2012
1:55 pm

If you want to change congress, do your job and vote to change congress.

That is change from the outside our President was talking about.

He said congress is more concerned about their paychecks instead if their voters.

I say the gop’s only concern is the wealthy that need no help because they are doing better than ever.

td

September 22nd, 2012
1:55 pm

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
1:36 pm

Mr. “14.1% effective tax rate” Romney?

Joseph you paid a higher rate than he did!

President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, reported earning about $789,674 in income in 2011, and gave about $172,130 to charity, or about 22 percent, according to filings.

And what was Obama’s tax rate on his investment income? You are talking apples and oranges. When Obama is retired at the end of this year and if he choose not to have another job and lives off of his investments then his tax rate will be the same 15% as Romney’s.

On a side note: I thought you were smarter then making some lame statement as this.

Thomas heyward Jr

September 22nd, 2012
1:57 pm

This sums it up about the Washington Party.
And the Hopium Addicts who fall for their respective snakeoil–
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From Michael S. Rozeff ———–
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Intelligence has nothing to do with it, first of all. Here are some possibilities. Here are my intutions. First, Romney is an economic illiterate, as is Obama. One can get a Harvard MBA, make a lot of money, and still not understand economics. Second, he’s a pragmatist, as is Obama. He has no principles. He thinks practical application reveals truth in economics, instead of understanding that economics follows from truths about human beings. Romneycare in Massachusetts demonstrates both his illiteracy and his pragmatism. Third, Romney is not a thinker, and neither is Obama. Both are heavily influenced by people around them and views they are presented with. They don’t think through things from A to Z or come at things with thought out positions based on long experience or thought. They do come at them with biases and miscellaneous notions and feelings they’ve collected over the years. Fourth, they are not holistic or systematic thinkers. They look at matters piecemeal, rather than see the connections. They therefore cannot make a consistent case or argument. Fifth, they both want to play it safe. They’re timid about deviating too far from the status quo, and their economic illiteracy, pragmatism and reliance on advisors reinforces this timidity because deep down they are unsure of themselves and unsure of what policies to adopt.”
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I would sum it up quicker.
Stupid………………….baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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lol

DannyX

September 22nd, 2012
1:57 pm

“I thought you were smarter then making some lame statement as this.”

Irony at its finest.

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm

td, have you written your blog concession speech yet? (grin)

Ron Paul says some great stuff. He has shown the courage to remain virtually the solitary non-militarist outlier in the GOP’s Gulag of Groupthink.

But… he avers way too many very Republican ideas.

No sale…

Thomas heyward Jr

September 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 22nd, 2012
1:45 pm

Thomas heyward Jr

After doing the sock-puppet thingie, it’s always a good idea to double check the spelling and pay attention to upper/lower case deviations when you start posting again.

Just suggestin’.
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Suggestions from a Romney/Obama supporter are at best………………………………………ridiculous.
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just saying.

getalife

September 22nd, 2012
2:05 pm

Thomas,

Do you know the history of the whig party?

td

September 22nd, 2012
2:09 pm

Jay,

Here is something for you and the other lib bloggers to contemplate. Who were the biggest investors in Bain? Yes, it was such institutions as teachers retirement funds, government workers retirement funds, union retirement funds and academic institutions and Romney has returned their investments with a great deal of money. Now they are the same loudest voices stating the way he made money was wrong.

Why is it that these liberal organizations trusted Romney and Bain enough with their future money believe he can not do the same for our nation? Romney can be trusted with your future money but can not be trusted with the nations future. What say you libs?

JamVet

September 22nd, 2012
2:09 pm

WHAT is it about you Republicans that causes your bizarre mental block regarding the basic concept of EFFECTIVE TAX RATE?

Please explain that one to me.

Also, how in the name of Allah can you get both feet in your mouth with such ease?

The overwhelming majority of President Obama’s taxable income in 2011 was of the ordinary variety — wages of $395,000, self-employment income from book sales of $441,000, and taxable interest of $11,000. The President had no investment income in the form of qualified dividends or long term capital gains during 2011. In fact, Obama does not appear to be invested in the stock market to any material degree. As a result, the President derives no benefit from the 15% preferential tax rate afforded to these classes of income by the Bush tax cuts.

To the contrary, on his 2010 tax return, Mitt Romney reported no wages and relatively minimal self-employment income. Instead, of his $21,600,000 of adjusted gross income, $5,000,000 was in the form of qualified dividends and $12,500,000 was generated as long-term capital gains. Courtesy of the Bush tax cuts, all of this income was taxed at the preferential 15% tax rate.

AtheistBob

September 22nd, 2012
2:10 pm

Now that is a pretty good article.

I see one problem with your analysis: judging by what you suggest the GOP should sell, you would end up pitting Pepsi against Coke, wouldn’t you.

Correct me if I’m wrong ?

RAMZAD

September 22nd, 2012
2:11 pm

The Republican Party has a mission statement with “us” and “them” at its core.

It is not an accident that while more rational people are appalled hard core Conservatives believe that the 47% argument is a good one. When you dont have a good argument or a good product that you can sell on its merit you tear down your neighbor’s integrity and confuse the market to appear rational. Problem with that is the market always start to figure out what you are doing- good or bad.