Ol’ Harry Truman was a dirty socialist? Who knew?

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President Harry Truman

A reader, the daughter of a now-deceased reporter for the Atlanta Journal, was digging through some old files of her father’s and came across something that she thought I might find interesting. She was right.

It’s a clip of a story written by her father, Odom Fanning, in 1949, reporting on a debate sponsored by the Gate City Lodge of B’nai Brith. Read the first two paragraphs alone, and you get the flavor of the piece. The parallels with today’s debate on health care are uncanny, missing only a reference to Marxist anti-colonial Kenyans out to destroy this country from within.

The president pushing the program at the time was Harry Truman, the man who had dropped the A-bomb on Japan and who, a year later, would commit U.S. troops to a land war in Asia, trying to block the invasion of South Korea by North Korean and Chinese communists.

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FrankLeeDarling

September 20th, 2012
3:02 pm

single payer

Jerome Horwitz

September 20th, 2012
3:02 pm

Who would guess – Some things never change.

Give ‘em Hell, Harry.

One of our best Presidents!

FrankLeeDarling

September 20th, 2012
3:02 pm

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 20th, 2012
3:02 pm

re-posted from downstairs…

Off topic but this would be funny if it wasn’t so sad…I’m glad dr. Pepper doesn’t have any embassies…

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Lord Help Us

September 20th, 2012
3:04 pm

That article is a hoot!

The more things change…the more they stay the same…

KID

September 20th, 2012
3:06 pm

Obama all the way back in 2012. Cheers for Obamacare….maybe my $650 per month premium will decrease a little!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 20th, 2012
3:06 pm

“It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it’s a depression when you lose your own.”
― Harry S. Truman

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:07 pm

Jay,

Where in the hell have you been? Or, should I say… Where in the hell were you when they taught civics in middle school and highschool???

Here is a famous quote from Truman which addresses his stance on socialism…

“The Republicans … will try to make people believe that everything the Government has done for the country is socialism. They will go to the people and say: “Did you see that social security check you received the other day—you thought that was good for you, didn’t you? That’s just too bad! That’s nothing in the world but socialism. Did you see that new flood control dam the Government is building over there for the protection of your property? Sorry—that’s awful socialism! That new hospital that they are building is socialism. Price supports, more socialism for the farmers! Minimum wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad for you, my friend. Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your new car, and your home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a television set—you are just surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans say, ‘That’s a terrible thing, my friend, and the only way out of this sinkhole of socialism is to vote for the Republican ticket.’”

No eureka moment here, Jay! Anyway, did you hear that its true that Ceasar crossed the Rubicon, LMAO!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 20th, 2012
3:08 pm

It’s an old battle to be sure.

I’m so proud of President Obama and the democrats for
getting the job done!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 20th, 2012
3:08 pm

KID, hopefully you will get a rebate check as many Americans will unless the Republicans succeed in their efforts to wipe out the 20% rule.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 20th, 2012
3:10 pm

You would think he was Nostradamus…

“Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home–but not for housing. They are strong for labor–but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights. They favor minimum wage–the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all–but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine–for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing–but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing–so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.”
― Harry S. Truman

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 20th, 2012
3:12 pm

You would think that since 1949 the cons would come up with some new defenses. :lol:

Gale

September 20th, 2012
3:13 pm

The only thing wrong with the health care plan is that insurance companies are in it to maximize their profits. Single payer is still a better plan, imo.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 20th, 2012
3:14 pm

…and my favorite…

“My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there’s hardly any difference.”
― Harry S. Truman

King Selassie

September 20th, 2012
3:14 pm

If someone is dumb enough to implement a good healthcare system in MA, then they should take what they get when Obama steals their thunder and implement it nationally!

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:17 pm

What Truman always failed to mention was that the US Government hires from the private sector to do the job of constructing bridges, roads, Hospitals, schools, social security, welfare, medicare and so and so on. No one doubts the marveluos job they do in the hiring process of construction.

The problem rather exists ALWAYS in running the hospitals, schools, welfare programs etc etc once its built. The government whether liberal, conservative, democrat, republican is a flocking mess when it comes to the day to day management of government sponsered enterprises.

Gale

September 20th, 2012
3:21 pm

Why is that? Why is the government so bad at administration? Is it lack of oversight? Is it poor hiring and training practices? Is it a culture of taking whatever you can from a situation? Why are they so good at wasting money and people?

Doggone/GA

September 20th, 2012
3:21 pm

“The problem rather exists ALWAYS in running the hospitals, schools, welfare programs etc etc once its built”

Single payer does not inject the federal government into running hospitals and clinics. As for the other things you mention, there’s this: government will step in when the private sector fails to step up.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 20th, 2012
3:22 pm

Given the choice between socialism and fascism, I will take socialism.

Gale

September 20th, 2012
3:24 pm

Doggone, It’s good of you to point that out. Single payer has nothing to do with running a hospital. On the other hand, I suspect it would have some impact on provider payments. We need a system where the physician does not grudge the time he/she spends with a patient.

JamVet

September 20th, 2012
3:25 pm

Going on seventy years!!!

That is how long the right wing reactionaries in the Party of No have been screwing American citizens on this one topic alone.

They are shameful and amazingly getting worse every decade…

Paul

September 20th, 2012
3:25 pm

“The president pushing the program at the time was Harry Truman, the man who had dropped the A-bomb on Japan and who, a year later, would commit U.S. troops to a land war in Asia, trying to block the invasion of South Korea by North Korean and Chinese communists.”

He did that only to weaken them so he would be the leader of the worldwide soshulits movement.

//sarc//

Listening to those simple-minded characterizations, I guess this nonsense really does get passed down from parent to child.

Jerome Horwitz

September 20th, 2012
3:26 pm

Great quotes Normal. We could us a man like Truman(not Hoover) again……..

One thing – believe it’s Harry S Truman. No . after the S as he no real middle name. Still great quotes from one of our Top 5 Presidents and my personal favorite.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 20th, 2012
3:26 pm

It’s funny, I guess, but to me it was normal…I went to Government schools all the way until high school. I was overseas a lot and I was taught by Civil Service Teachers. I received a very good elementary school education. I don’t remember ever having more than 20 students in a classroom until I got into the South Georgia High Schools.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

September 20th, 2012
3:28 pm

Robme’s father was on welfare . Con moocher.

Doggone/GA

September 20th, 2012
3:28 pm

“On the other hand, I suspect it would have some impact on provider payments”

Not some, ALL. That’s why it’s single PAYER.

” We need a system where the physician does not grudge the time he/she spends with a patient”

That’s a different issue, and that’s where some form of “socialized” medicine might enter the picture. If a doctor knows that the amount he is paid will not vary according to how many patients he sees, there’s not such a strong incentive to have as many patients as humanly possible. BUT, on the other hand…to keep the patient level doable, the “system” needs to ensure there are enough doctors (and nurses) in an area to treat ALL of the possible patients.

Citizen of the World

September 20th, 2012
3:29 pm

I don’t hear much from the Republicans lately about repealing the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare — that’s because A) it reminds those Obama haters about Romneycare, and B) they know the die is cast. Some form of universal health care is here to stay, and it’s either an insurance mandate or single payer, so if they repeal the first they are leaving the door wide open for the second.

President Obama got it done. I know that sticks in the Republicans’ craw, but maybe overtime the pain of his having a success will lessen for them.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 20th, 2012
3:30 pm

“We should resolve now that the health of this nation is a national concern; that financial barriers in the way of attaining health shall be removed; that the health of all it’s citizens deserves the help of all the nation.”
― Harry S. Truman

Tom B

September 20th, 2012
3:31 pm

Had our yearly benefits meeting this morning. Premiums are up and services are down. Two thumbs up ObamaCare!

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

Single payer does not inject the federal government into running hospitals and clinics. As for the other things you mention, there’s this: government will step in when the private sector fails to step up.

There is this thing where the private sector pays up when the government over spends and wastes money. It is a two way street and never forget it! The private sector funds wars, welfare programs, retirement for the elderly and yes, remember the $400 toilets seats the government was buying in the 1970s??? Yes, they were!

Single payer, does effect hospitals. My wife happens to be an administrator for one of the largest government run hospitals in the US. Insurance represents money. Money is a necessary commodity to run a hospital… to keep qualified doctors, to keep it staffed, to keep it updated with new technologies, etc etc!

Private hospitals generally exceed all those qualities when compared with goverment run hospitals.

Lord Help Us

September 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

‘Had our yearly benefits meeting this morning. Premiums are up and services are down. Two thumbs up ObamaCare!’

And what happened the year before…and the year before…and the year before…

Jerome Horwitz

September 20th, 2012
3:33 pm

Please inform us on how this is the result of ObamaCare?

Mary Elizabeth

September 20th, 2012
3:33 pm

According to a poster on Paul Krugman’s blog today: “Since 1979, productivity has risen some 80%. Overall wages have risen 5%. Income for the top 1% has risen 240%. Who are the ‘takers,’ indeed!”

Yet, those particular top 1% – who are Republicans such as Mitt Romney – want to cut government programs such as Social Security and Medicare, at the same time that overall wages have risen so very little, in over 30 years, for average workers. (People making $12.70 an hour could hardly be expected to build retirement portfolios for themselves, yet they can contribute to Social Security and Medicare.) Even knowing this financial inequity exists in America, Republicans would cut these social programs from these working class people who are trying to survive in this nation – which has been skewed to benefit the top 1%, primarily, especially within the past 35 years.

The saddest part of this whole scenario is that so many conservatives who need Social Security and Medicare, for the very reasons I have just laid out, will vote for Gov. Romney in November.

HDB

September 20th, 2012
3:34 pm

JamVet

September 20th, 2012
3:25 pm

It was even longer than that….Theodore Roosevelt advocated for universal health care in 1912…one hundred years ago!!! His cousin, FDR, championed it in the Second Bill of Rights!!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 20th, 2012
3:35 pm

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:17 pm

The problem rather exists ALWAYS in running the hospitals, schools, welfare programs etc etc once its built. The government whether liberal, conservative, democrat, republican is a flocking mess when it comes to the day to day management of government sponsered enterprises.

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Every single thing? Every single day?

Nope, I don’t buy it.

The cops came when I needed them. The ambulance came when I needed them. Medicare takes great care of my dad. Mr. G’s social secuity check is always on time.

Our local school teaches kids to read and write and add. Our parks are well tended. Our roads have been kept up. Traffic lights work.

I had a minimal wait at the DMV. Nice lady said smiled and took our dollar at a toll booth and gave us correct change. Our library is well stocked.

Our street lights come on at night. The mail arrives in the mail box and our mail lady walks the packages to the door.

Are there hiccups?

Of course.

But I believe my fellow Americans do a pretty dam good job of government.

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:35 pm

“Given the choice between socialism and fascism, I will take socialism.”

LOL! Like saying you’re going to die… Do you want to die with a broom handle thrusted up your rectum or drowned with raw sewage being poured down your throat??? LMAO, you choose!!!!

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 20th, 2012
3:35 pm

Actually I believe that would have been Romney’s grandparents that were the moochers. But his dad still received benefits from their mooching. But Mitt still says he built it himself.

Paul

September 20th, 2012
3:36 pm

Tom B

“Had our yearly benefits meeting this morning. Premiums are up and services are down. Two thumbs up ObamaCare!”

Did any of your company’s benefits experts have the smarts to show the link between increased premiums, decreased services and Obamacare?

Or did they just assume one led to the other?

Did the benefits wizards talk about the return of premiums to policyholders whose insurance providers spend to much on themselves and not enough on sick people?

Did your smart company people talk about zero copays for preventive services?

do those company gurus analyze customer and supplier information any better than they do benefits information?

David Shivers

September 20th, 2012
3:38 pm

got's mine

September 20th, 2012
3:42 pm

I’m so glad Obamacare passed, I love me some big gov’t!

Republicants don’t care for the little guy!

Maybe one day Democrats will always win all major elections and Republicants will go broke and stop existing!

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:42 pm

“my fellow Americans do a pretty dam good job of government.”

Then explain $16 Trillion dollars in debt! I would do a wonderful job of retiring early and paying off all of my bills if I could apply for and run up every credit card I could get my hands on…

CRAPPOLA, I would be a gazillionaire!!! So explain to me again how your government is doing such a great job?

One day, when the firemen and policemen aren’t getting paid because the goverment can’t create more debt/money out of thin air, tell me how great of a job they will be doing for you.

When the national debt reached 20 trillion, Moody’s and the S&P have already stated that they will down grade the US… That’s when the crap hits the fan!!!

CJ

September 20th, 2012
3:44 pm

I think that it’s worth repeating that ObamaCare was developed and pushed by the Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich, Charles Grassley, Mitt Romney, and many other Republicans.

Anybody who claims that Obama hasn’t reached across the aisle need look no further than the Affordable Care Act. Republican’s refusal to support it when it was considered and voted on had nothing to do with socialism or the Constitution and everything to do with wanting this president to fail.

got's mine

September 20th, 2012
3:46 pm

i truly love big gov’t benefits!

stands for decibels

September 20th, 2012
3:46 pm

Thanks for this, Jay. I do remember reading about Truman’s early efforts to effect universal coverage, back in the day, and this is a useful reminder that the same dumb reactionary elements have always been with us, standing in the way.

Jay

September 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

Actually, health care premiums have been soaring since the 1990s because the insurance risk management folks are so smart that they knew Obama would be elected president in 2008 and they knew he’d pass health-care reform.

stands for decibels

September 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

When the national debt reached 20 trillion, Moody’s and the S&P have already stated that they will down grade the US…

I wasn’t aware that we Americans were answerable to a couple of provably corrupt ratings agencies.

got's mine

September 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

Dawgpound, the gov’t controls the money! There will always be money!

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

Maybe one day Democrats will always win all major elections and Republicants will go broke and stop existing!

Yeah, then the Demorats can go back to owning slaves like they did in the 1800’s and can reinstitute Jim Crowe laws which keep people segregated into the 1960s and 70s. Oh yes, reread your hisotry books that’s what the Democratic party was all about even up to 30 years ago!

Pretty neat how they have reinvented themselves, eh??? Or have they!

JamVet

September 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

Private hospitals generally exceed all those qualities when compared with goverment run hospitals.

Not sure about that, but I do know this.

When compared to the VA, the profiteers suck hind t*t.

The Gold Standard, baby!

And Northside, Piedmont, Scottish Rite et al are scrambling to keep up…

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 20th, 2012
3:49 pm

“Republican’s refusal to support it when it was considered and voted on had nothing to do with socialism or the Constitution and everything to do with wanting this president to fail.” – rc
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As Mitch McConnell spelled out so clearly in case any Cons out there disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

Matti

September 20th, 2012
3:51 pm

I have “good” insurance, a great doctor, a working IQ, and the assertiveness to stand up for myself, ask questions, and research my condition. Even with all that, frankly, I’m surprised I didn’t DIE already. Even with all that, I had to jump through hoop after hoop after hoop, return for test after test, spend HOURS on the phone trying to get somebody to tell me what’s wrong, and when I can expect to pay somebody to do something about it. (Apparently, the only thing graduates of these medical assistant “colleges” CAN tell you is what you will NOT be getting from your doctor today.) God forbid you have an issue with a prescription, or a question about your near-death experience over the long holiday weekend. How dare you bother them with it? Months transpire between the raising of the red flag and the solution I will soon be getting and for which I will be paying significant out-of -pocket costs. Thankfully, I have enough in the bank to cover it.

The point of this rant is not to complain, (please do not feign sympathy!) but to ask these questions:
–> What do the poor people do?
–> What do the STUPID people do?
–> If **I’m** barely hanging on, how do they survive at all?

Anyone who thinks there’s nothing wrong with the medical system we have needs to avail himself of his psychiatric benefits. (Good luck with that!)

getalife

September 20th, 2012
3:51 pm

Same ole gop.

cons hate change.

stands,

wolfie on cnn thinks we answer to Israel.

harvey

September 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

My medicare supplement cost just went up by $100 a month. So much for Obamacare. When Truman was President, we weren’t $16 trillion in debt. Maybe they could have afforded it then, but we can’t now.

liberal hack

September 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

Jay, lol! I think premiums have gone up for many reasons, companies wanting to sustain profits, hospitals passing unpaid expenses to insurers, Medicaid and Medicare paying out less for services rendered. Gov’t interference played a role in rising health costs, but so did other factors.

DAWG POUND

September 20th, 2012
3:53 pm

Dawgpound, the gov’t controls the money! There will always be money!

Federal Reserve controls money supply! Federal Reserve is a private entity. Yes, there will always be money but what will it be worth is the question. They with the help of the Federal Reserve can print it all day long but when inflation hits the value of it deminishes rapidly. In the 1930s, it cost Germans 1 month’s wages to buy a loaf of bread. In Zimbabwe, right now, they reach super hyperinflation as high as 516 quintillion %. That’s so high, you burn the money rather than firewood to keep warm!

Joe Hussein Mama

September 20th, 2012
3:54 pm

Tom B — “Had our yearly benefits meeting this morning. Premiums are up and services are down. Two thumbs up ObamaCare!”

Both those things — increased prices and/or decrease in services — have been happening for YEARS. If you’re trying to tie them to the ACA, then either you are misinformed or you’re just plain ignorant of the truth.

I shall reserve judgment for now regarding which of the two is applicable to you.

Bernie

September 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

It’s plain hokum. If you can’t convince ‘em, confuse ‘em. It’s an old political trick. But this time it won’t work. – Harry Truman

getalife

September 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

“I’m surprised I didn’t DIE already.”

They told me I would die in 2004.

I know dealing with them is frustrating but I keep in mind they they have as many patients as they can cram in a day every day they work. They have a lot of patients so I have a lot of patience.

Moderate Line

September 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

The president pushing the program at the time was Harry Truman, the man who had dropped the A-bomb on Japan and who, a year later, would commit U.S. troops to a land war in Asia, trying to block the invasion of South Korea by North Korean and Chinese communists.
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President Harry S Truman ordered the Secretary of Commerce on April 8, 1952, to seize and operate most of the country’s steel mills for the ostensible purpose of maintaining production of critical munitions.

Owners of the seized properties obtained a court injunction against the seizure, and an appeal of that injunction to the U.S. Supreme Court gave rise to one of the “great cases” in constitutional law, Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. et al. v. Sawyer.1 Although the Court found the president’s actions to be unconstitutional, its decision did not signify a triumph of private rights or a significant check on the government’s exercise of de facto emergency powers.

http://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1394

I am guessing the point is a Socialist would not invade another socialist country. However, the argument is fairly weak when looking at history. For example, Vietnam invaded Cambodia, the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia, China invaded Vietnam. Socialism doesn’t seem to eliminate Nationalistic tendies.

Also, there are different degrees to which someone is socialist.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

Moody’s and the S&P…

Is that the same Moody’s and S&P that is complicit in the unregulated derivatives market?

They can both FOAD.

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Jerome

Congrats on the win against Galatasary this week. We’ve kinda stumbled out of the gate in defense of the UCL title

Dunwoody Granny

September 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

Granny Godzilla @ 3:17, well said!

Lots of folks say government can never get anything right, but just ask them: Have you ever had a problem with an airline? Did your bank ever make a mistake? Does your power go off sometimes? What about your cable service? How do you feel about your cellphone provider? Does every restaurant you go to serve your food exactly as you want it every meal you eat there? Ever worked with a contractor to build or remodel a house?

Government doesn’t get everything right; no one does. But if government in America gets too many things wrong, we have the power to change it.

Citizen of the World

September 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

DAWG POUND, much of that $16 trillion deficit is the result of WARS, that GWB was HELL BENT on starting. That you no doubt SUPPORTED. That Bush DID NOT PAY FOR, because he was too busy giving BIG TAX CUTS to the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS. A lot of the deficit resulted from REDUCED REVENUES because of the ECONOMIC CRASH that happened on BUSH’S WATCH. So, yes, it’s a BIG MESS, but try to BE FAIR.

Matti

September 20th, 2012
3:58 pm

getalife,

I’m glad you didn’t die!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 20th, 2012
3:58 pm

DAWG POUND

Bless your heart….Why would I waste my time and effort explaining to that which you have no will to understand let alone ability to comprehend and accept.

Besides, you moved that goal posts Mr. Silly Pants
and Granny don’t play dat.

Jerome Horwitz

September 20th, 2012
3:59 pm

Thanks Kam – The Blues need to learn how to protect a lead. That sure hurt yeaterday. That kid is phenomenal (sp?).

Jay

September 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

So Harvey, you’re one of the 47 percent addicted to government programs? And you’re whining about how much you have to kick in on your own?

How Ayn Rand of you.

Regnad Kcin

September 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

“Yeah, then the Demorats can go back to owning slaves like they did in the 1800’s and can reinstitute Jim Crowe laws which keep people segregated into the 1960s and 70s. Oh yes, reread your hisotry books that’s what the Democratic party was all about even up to 30 years ago!”

DawgP – you’re saying, in 1982, Democrats were instituting Jim Crow laws? MY history books (and my memory) disagree – you want to retract that?

got's mine

September 20th, 2012
4:01 pm

Republicant’s want us enslaved to millionaires and billionaires! It’s their fiscal policies that enslave people!

xxx

September 20th, 2012
4:01 pm

I simply cannot wait for the insurance premium bills or the penalty bills to start hitting the doorstep of the presently uninsured. For most it will be great, for some it will be a slap in the face by reality.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 20th, 2012
4:01 pm

“When Truman was President, we weren’t $16 trillion in debt”
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Truman followed FDR, a Democrat who brought country out of recession and lead through WW2. While I do not have exact numbers nor a conversion into dollars today, there was debt due to the war. Much of this debt was retired over the next decade with higher tax rates under a Republican administration.

getalife

September 20th, 2012
4:03 pm

“I’m glad you didn’t die!”

You too!

Blogs are great to vent frustrations.

Vent all you want.

GT

September 20th, 2012
4:04 pm

Many consider Truman one of our 10 greatest presidents. I think Obama will be right up there with him. Neither one were appreciated in their time, even Truman’s mother in law, who like Obama’s lived in the White House, wouldn’t claim him. Greatest man of his time and his mother in law thought her daughter married beneath herself.

got's mine

September 20th, 2012
4:04 pm

My President supports wealth redistribution! That’s good enough for me!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 20th, 2012
4:06 pm

Jerome

You mean the Brazilian kid Oscar? If so, yeah — his first start and 2 goals. We’ve had problems in the midfield for a couple or three years now.

Erwin's cat

September 20th, 2012
4:06 pm

ugh…another tired topic…I almost can’t wait for another GCC article….almost

I know, i know blogspot.com is ready when i am

itpdude

September 20th, 2012
4:06 pm

Not a fan of Truman. He dropped nukes.

Citizen of the World

September 20th, 2012
4:07 pm

Dunwoody Granny @ 3:56 — Excellent point!

got's mine

September 20th, 2012
4:09 pm

If we’d collect enough taxes from the 1% and stop defending racist Israel, and cut military budget by 40%; we would be in great financial position!

killerj

September 20th, 2012
4:13 pm

If everyone is split on a Prez again like the last election we are in a sad state of affairs for our children,we will have more of the same for the next four years.Forward,”Yea Right”.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 20th, 2012
4:14 pm

itpdude — “Not a fan of Truman. He dropped nukes.”

A-bomb =/= nuke

Jerome Horwitz

September 20th, 2012
4:15 pm

Yeah Kam – Oscar. Kid’s going to b a Star.

No Artificial Flavors

September 20th, 2012
4:16 pm

As a fiscal conservative, and much to the dismay of my friends and family that are socially much farther to the right than myself, I actually think that having a single payer government-run system COULD be more cost-effective for all Americans IF administered properly without a bloated bureaucracy.

The insurance companies unbridled growth in premiums and copays, combined with lack of tort reform, combined with a myriad of conflicting state rules and regulations, says to me that if we can never effectuate changes in these industries, the government may be able to do better at a lower cost. Shocking even to myself.
However, doctors need to be more empowered in a single-payer system.

JamVet

September 20th, 2012
4:16 pm

I’m a fan of Truman. He dropped nukes and arguably saved countless lives in those two horrifically brutal events.

Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America (in a Japanese invasion) would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths.

The loss of Japanese civilian lives would have been truly staggering…

yuzeyurbrane

September 20th, 2012
4:18 pm

And old Harry is one of the few Democrats, Republicans say they love.

Logical Dude

September 20th, 2012
4:18 pm

I’m kind of a youngster here, so I don’t remember Truman.

Whatever happened to his healthcare plan?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 20th, 2012
4:19 pm

My wife happens to be an administrator for one of the largest government run hospitals in the US.

Can’t let this one go by without comment — I’ve been paying for my own health care out of pocket for about twenty years now, and I have nothing but the highest regard for the HC providers.

The administrators however, are heartless, soulless, paper pushing parasites that are a big part of the problem in the health care industry. Get rid of these middlewomen/men leeches and more of the money can go towards treatment and prevention.

Logical Dude

September 20th, 2012
4:19 pm

Joe Hussein: A-bomb =/= nuke

Ummm. . . what? it’s a nuclear explosion, thus a “nuke”.

weetamoe

September 20th, 2012
4:20 pm

Would someone please root around in the WH archives to see if the buck stop from Harry Truman’s office is stored there? Obama seems to have misplaced his.

getalife

September 20th, 2012
4:20 pm

romney is still lying about the 716 billion in Medicare.

Getting heckled.

Doggone/GA

September 20th, 2012
4:20 pm

“combined with lack of tort reform”

I don’t disagree with most of your points…but I suggest you check in the Texas experience with tort “reform” and it’s effect on insurance costs. You might be surprised.

Matti

September 20th, 2012
4:21 pm

getalife,

I appreciate the opportunity to vent, but seriously.. I wonder how people without my resources (insurance, financial, and otherwise) make it. If I were uninsured, meek, lacking the ability research and understand, or without transportation, living in a rural area where the nearest doctor is an hour away, or just scraping by as an hourly worker who cannot take the time off for a multitude of visits to the dr’s office, lab, and hospital…. my prognosis would be very different.

It’s a frightening thought to ME……. Reality to too many others.

getalife

September 20th, 2012
4:21 pm

weet,

They probably have a database of all past Presidents positions and actions.

A playbook if you will.

bman

September 20th, 2012
4:22 pm

“Many consider Truman one of our 10 greatest presidents. I think Obama will be right up there with him”

okay on #1
ohbiy

bman

September 20th, 2012
4:23 pm

“Many consider Truman one of our 10 greatest presidents. I think Obama will be right up there with him”

okay on #1
ohboy on #2

Joe Hussein Mama

September 20th, 2012
4:25 pm

Logical Dude — “Ummm. . . what? it’s a nuclear explosion, thus a “nuke”.

My understanding has always been that thermonuclear weapons — not merely atomic ones — merited the appellation “nuke.”

An A-bomb, such as the ones dropped on Japan, is just the *fuse* on a thermonuclear weapon.

JamVet

September 20th, 2012
4:25 pm

MASSIVE blood clots in both lungs.

Another one in the main artery (!) of my right arm.

Six days in the ICU.

Two major surgeries.

Countless other tests and procedures.

No less that 17 different things connected to me at one point.

Certainly within hours of dying.

But I walked out of that building (admittedly a bit shaky, but there was no way I was going out in a wheelchair!) the Tuesday before Thanksgiving 2005.

My total bill? About a hundred dollars.

God bless the Veterans Administration and the United States of America.

SINGLE PAYER NOW.

Matti

September 20th, 2012
4:25 pm

Kamchack: “The administrators however, are heartless, soulless, paper pushing parasites that are a big part of the problem in the health care industry. Get rid of these middlewomen/men leeches and more of the money can go towards treatment and prevention.”

Standing and applauding! And these private vocational “colleges” that take federal money to teach “medical assistants” that their hyper-inflated sense of self-esteem is what matters, and sick people should be put in their place, not actually helped, need to be shut down.

getalife

September 20th, 2012
4:27 pm

Mattie,

Yes, many went bankrupt after getting sick. They have a clinic in my small town and I hear the doctors are pretty good. The only change I have seen with my doctors is electronic medical records. They print out orders and new meds and directions in case you forget what the doctors say. That helps me.

No Artificial Flavors

September 20th, 2012
4:27 pm

Our HC Administrators have literally been using Obamacare as an excuse to raise rates by 14% year after year, even before the bill was passed.

lynnie gal

September 20th, 2012
4:32 pm

Yep, and now the conservatives are yipping about “redistribution”. Wow. They obviously don’t know what that particular economic term is, so they “boo” when they hear it, right on cue. What they don’t understand is that Romney is actually for “redistribution”. Only he wants to distribute money to the rich from the poor and middle class. Obama was talking about “redistribution” of wealth to the public good so that others can have the chance to be productive. If that’s socialism, I’d rather have that than the plutocracy/feudalism that Romney proposes.