Ol’ Harry Truman was a dirty socialist? Who knew?
President Harry Truman
A reader, the daughter of a now-deceased reporter for the Atlanta Journal, was digging through some old files of her father’s and came across something that she thought I might find interesting. She was right.
It’s a clip of a story written by her father, Odom Fanning, in 1949, reporting on a debate sponsored by the Gate City Lodge of B’nai Brith. Read the first two paragraphs alone, and you get the flavor of the piece. The parallels with today’s debate on health care are uncanny, missing only a reference to Marxist anti-colonial Kenyans out to destroy this country from within.
The president pushing the program at the time was Harry Truman, the man who had dropped the A-bomb on Japan and who, a year later, would commit U.S. troops to a land war in Asia, trying to block the invasion of South Korea by North Korean and Chinese communists.
– Jay Bookman
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:18 pm
P.S.
I think it’s time that Radical Muslims hear nothing but negative comments about Mohammed, cartoons, videos, etc., etc.
It will help to desensitize them and bring them into the modern world from their era of darkness.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
10:18 pm
In case you guys missed it, here is (in my opinion) the post of the day:
Laprencilla
September 20th, 2012
7:58 pm
Thanks for the interesting 1949 AJ article, Jay.
Two things I noticed. The quality of the writing was so much better than what AJC churns out today. And the reporter just reported the facts without injecting his own op ed spin, something AJC and most media today can’t seem to resist.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
10:18 pm
One man’s opinion about “facts” – just a blue dress stain
Homie special — aisle 7 at the Whole Foods
“Free healthcare” — priceless
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:18 pm
bman,
Its unfortunate that people are going to line up to buy that crap. I’m not a big Clinton fan of course but I just don’t see the purpose of embarrassing a U.S. president and diminishing the office. But like you said she is just itching to cash in.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:19 pm
Mick: LOL !
BOTH: You’re repeating yourself.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:20 pm
Mohammed sucked his thumb.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:21 pm
Christians, hebrews, muslims all pray to the one true god; you mock one, you mock them all…
Tundra Dude
September 20th, 2012
10:22 pm
Scout:
Speaking of Monica……
Was reading an Israeli paper some years back. An Israeli journalist reported seeing her leaving Mossad HQ……..
supposedly he abruptly quit or got fired…..and just sort of disappeared…
Guess that wasn’t newsworthy in the US.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:23 pm
Mr “I love to visit Houses of Ill repute”
oooo – scarrrrrry socially liberal Republicans…..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:24 pm
“12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Acts Chapter 4
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:24 pm
Mohammed lived in the desert. I’m sure of it.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:25 pm
Mick,
Its different belief systems and in my opinion belief in a different God. The Christian son of God conquered through peace and love. Mohammad conquered at the point of a sword. Big difference between Islam and the other 2 religions.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:25 pm
Bondage clubs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:25 pm
P.S.
Mohammed never claimed to be God. He is known only as a “prophet”.
Tundra Dude
September 20th, 2012
10:25 pm
But like you said she (Monica) is just itching to cash in.
Wonder if she has a stake in Monica’s Bar, in Thailand…….
they specialize in…uno wat….
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
Diapers.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
TBS – what bothers me so much about scout, besides his lying and castigating, is his supposed “Christianity”. He has no problem “baring false witness against his neighbor”. As a matter of fact, looking at his posts, he gets hard just THINKING about doing it.
TC: some like DDR say we shouldn’t care who (or what) the POTUS sleeps with (blah, blah, blah blah…………….let a candidate for office not release 10 years of tax returns and THEN (in her twisted mind) he is not acting “above reproach”.
Hiya TC!! Yep you are sooo right!! Sleeping with someone is so much WORSE than not showing your tax returns when you wish to attain the highest office in the land……..these two things are sooo similar
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
Scout
And you posted a LIE, whether I repeated it or not
Your the same guy who will go from thread to thread and post the same drudge headlines
just saying
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
Toe tapper.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
So was Mohammed the son of Allah?
Like Jesus was the son of God?
Or was Mohammed doing something altogether different?
I’m not up to speed on the whole koran. But I know I just wrote the name Mohammed.
Probably means I’m going to Muslim hell. On the bright side, if there is more than one God, maybe I can lobby for clemency from the Christian and / or Jewish and / or Hindu gods.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:27 pm
Serious question:
Do Muslim play football ? What about the pigskin?
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:27 pm
The newt cheated too.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:27 pm
Excuse me: “Muslims”
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:28 pm
Family values.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:28 pm
“Bondage clubs.”
Republicans who like to party, I dig it.
“Toe tapper.”
Gay republicans are ok by me. Big tent.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:29 pm
doom
Muslims are descended from Ishmael a patriarch, they pray to the same god and believe mohammed was the last of the prophets. They also believe jesus was a prophet but not the son of god…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:29 pm
BOTH:
I am sure we have all posted something on here that turned out to be false.
Does that make “you” a liar? Or only if you “knew” it was false?
I choose not to call that SEAL a “liar” ……….. and again, that’s why I posted “one man’s opinion”.
Get over it ……………. or not.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:29 pm
Liberals are scared of Republicans who like to have fun. Too funny.
Libs are such stuffy bores.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:29 pm
“scarrrrrry socially liberal Republicans…..”
I doubt he is “liberal”. I am confident that he sells himself to his flock of sheep as a conservative social Republican and Christian man
But nice try
__________________________________________
How did that “edited” video work out for you? You were the confident little tyke yesterday.
hahahahaha
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:30 pm
“The newt cheated too.”
Democrats just want to control a guy’s pecker. It’s absurd.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
10:30 pm
“And who is this bunch of Jewish fools you speak of?”
I don’t know about a “bunch” of “fools”, but you in fact attempted to define what a Christian is the other day:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/09/19/romney-obama-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/?cp=5#comment-1081726
Notice I didn’t call you a “fool” for speaking your mind on the matter (as you did me when I said I thought American secular Jews were not really Jews – and have all along since then); I just showed you why I believed you were wrong.
Medved makes an interesting point about Jews accepting any of their kind EXCEPT a Christian Jew – now THAT is NOT a Jew. If he is correct and Christian Jews are not regarded as Jews, then I feel perfectly justified in drawing a line where I see logically fit (since a line is being drawn anyway). You may not agree with me, but at least I have a more sensible argument that the Jews Medved speaks of.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:30 pm
Scout
You can’t prove it and you will not spend anytime looking for that “directive” because you know it doesn’t exist
You get over it.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:31 pm
“It will help to desensitize them and bring them into the modern world from their era of darkness.”
From what I’ve seen you can take the most dirt poor and most ignorant people on Earth from Latin American, Asia, and Africa and put them in the U.S. and they can be successful, prosper, and get along. I’ve no faith whatsoever in these hateful middle Easterners joining the modern world. None. And I think their failures to assimilate in Europe prove it. The only thing they are good for over there is blowing up train stations and rioting in the streets.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:33 pm
jm,
Do you wear diapers with pros. too?
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:33 pm
“Christians, hebrews, muslims all pray to the one true god; you mock one, you mock them all…”
Bible beating democrats. Sick. Forcing their monotheism on the multi-theists.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
10:33 pm
Mitt Romney’s campaign handed out $112,500 in bonuses to four of its top staffers, according to new disclosure records filed Thursday.
[...]
The bonuses came the day after Romney formally accepted the Republican presidential nomination at the party’s convention in Tampa. Despite strong fundraising since May, new records show that the campaign was struggling badly for money in August because it had run low on primary funds and was unable to tap into contributions collected for the general election until after the nomination. Instead, the campaign borrowed $20 million.
A business model where a failing business is loaded up with debt which is in turn doled out in fees to senior staff before the whole thing comes crashing down around their ears? This is unheard of.
Heh, heh, heh.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:33 pm
Islam has over a billion followers on this earth; the fact is that 99.99 of them are peaceful people. They have failed to corral and thoroughly reject their renegades, that’s the problem…
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:34 pm
getalife
I don’t need diapers. But I am pro-women.
Doggone/GA
September 20th, 2012
10:35 pm
“Democrats just want to control a guy’s pecker. It’s absurd”
Sounds like a fair trade to me. Republican’s just want to control a woman’s uterus. It’s absurd.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:35 pm
mitt is a disaster to his own campaign.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:35 pm
“Islam has over a billion followers on this earth; the fact is that 99.99 of them are peaceful people.”
Generalization. Democrats like Mick think muslims are just one type of person.
Democrats are so single-dimensional.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:35 pm
Scout
your 1st clue was WND
Home of the “birthers”…….. We know how that went
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:35 pm
jm
Get a grip…is it really that bad???
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:36 pm
Obama doesn’t even have a campaign. Cash poor.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:36 pm
Mick,
I see what you’re saying and I used to believe the same thing. But keep in mind that the Koran is wholly different from the torah or the bible. The God of the Koran I don’t think is quite the same as the God in the bible. If he were Christians would probably use the same justifications of God to blow shyte up every time they’re pissed off.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:37 pm
“Get a grip”
No need. Your mom’s doing fine.
Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
JamVet
September 20th, 2012
10:38 pm
…when I said I thought American secular Jews were not really Jews…
And why rabbis and even moderately informed people of all races, creeds and religions would agree that you are a complete fool for writing that.
Or as Crash said in Bill Durham, “Don’t think meat, it can only hurt the club.”
LOL…
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:38 pm
jm
Well, anytime you can say something derogatory about me I consider it a nice compliment….day after day you drone on..bunch of nonsense…keep at it…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:39 pm
jm,
Pro women?
Are you sure you are not a Dem?
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:39 pm
“day after day you drone on.”
People who are anti-droning should definitely not be voting for Obama.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
10:39 pm
scout: I am sure we have all posted something on here that turned out to be false. Does that make “you” a liar? Or only if you “knew” it was false? I choose not to call that SEAL a “liar” ……….. and again, that’s why I posted “one man’s opinion”
YES — YOU ARE A LIAR. You knew before you posted that crap that it was a lie; yet you posted it ANYWAY — with glee. Why? You did it to discredit Pres Obama; you did it to bare FALSE WITNESS; then after you did, you quoted a nice quaint bible verse.
People like you stain the name of jesus and stain the true christians with your deceit and lies.
Perhaps you can dig up a bible verse to answer to that ^^^.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:39 pm
“Are you sure you are not a Dem?”
I’m a moderate silly.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:40 pm
BOTH:
I’m over it and “you”.
Mick:
You are on the right track but you are WAY off on the 99.99%
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:40 pm
doom
You are forgetting some history here, christianity in the dark ages was burning witches at the stake and had the inquisition, not exactly brotherly love going on there…
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
10:40 pm
“But keep in mind that the Koran is wholly different from the torah or the bible. The God of the Koran I don’t think is quite the same as the God in the bible.”
That is a fact. I would encourage everyone to read the Koran and then, maybe for the purposes of comparison, a one of the gospels, Acts and a letter like Romans or James. Then come beack and tell us what you think.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:41 pm
jm,
mitt’s super is running low but our President is doing well.
Going down the toilet for mitt.
The first debate will put him away.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:41 pm
“you did it to bare FALSE WITNESS”
Nothing worse than a bible thumping Democrat.
Kill some babies – ok. You lied – go to hell.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:42 pm
Debbie:
Sure …………….
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.” Matthew 5:11
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:42 pm
“The first debate will put him away.”
We’ll see. I’m sure will be batting it around on here whenever it is.
say. when is it? google……
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:43 pm
TAPS !!!
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:43 pm
Mick,
I’m not buying that 99.99%. That 99.99% may not wage terrorist bombings against us but there is no doubt that they don’t like us and are against us in principle. When Pakistan announces that tomorrow is a national holiday so that the entire nation can protest against us please don’t give me this crap that 99.99% of them are friendly to us or even tolerant of us. They are not.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:44 pm
October 3.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:44 pm
Oct 3 – round 1. 2 weeks.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:45 pm
doom
You are good with math, what is .01% of a billion? That’s the number…
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:45 pm
“I’m not buying that 99.99%.”
Gallup has a poll. Says it is 47%. 6% undecided.
47% is the answer to everything now.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:45 pm
DDR
Exactly………
And as you noticed, he hasn’t nor will he produce that “directive”………………………
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
10:46 pm
DDR
From Dilbert’s rules of order: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
10:47 pm
“And why rabbis and even moderately informed people of all races, creeds and religions would agree that you are a complete fool for writing that.”
Are you even CAPABLE of responding, point by point, to a post or is this just another instance of stupid liberal deflection (when it appears the point or debate is lost)?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
10:47 pm
scout – this one would probably be more appropriate (for you):
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:47 pm
Scout
Be over it all you like. You continue to post the bull$hit you do, I will continue to call you out.
You can’t handle what you dish out.
Your problem, not mine
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:48 pm
“You are forgetting some history here, christianity in the dark ages was burning witches at the stake and had the inquisition, not exactly brotherly love going on there…”
Mick,
All true. But we’re not in the year 1300. What happened many centuries ago I don’t give a damn about. It has nothing to do with the here and now. If we all spent our lives engaging in recriminations about shyte that happened 8 centuries ago then how would humans ever progress. Ahkmed and Akbar are still pissed at each other because akbar’s great great grandfather from 40 generations ago stole a goat from Akhemd’s great great grandfather. What relevance does that have to do with anything today?
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
10:48 pm
“From Dilbert’s rules of order: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.”
Dumb, Democratic Deflection.
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:48 pm
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour”
Apparently democrats have become less reserved about their religion.
I never trust those that talk religion constantly.
Ol' Timer
September 20th, 2012
10:49 pm
Teddy Roosevelt in the early 1900’s tried to get compulsory healthcare passed, but was stymied. It only took 100 years, but Obama and the Democrats were finally able to get the job done. And, millions will benefit from this action.
And, so it goes. . . . .
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:50 pm
0311
Is this you?
Incendiary means “capable of causing fire”. It may also refer to: Incendiary device, a device designed to cause fires; Incendiary ammunition, a projectile …
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
10:51 pm
Yep – TBS, that scout is a real winner…………..
And you are correct Kam – I will try, really, really, really hard to ignore his dumb azz in the future.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
10:51 pm
**What relevance does that have to do with anything today?**
Well, mohammed came on the scene in 700 ad, so by historic terms they are in the middle ages or dark ages of their religion. You know all these religions have some dark time…
Jm (LL)
September 20th, 2012
10:52 pm
“Teddy Roosevelt in the early 1900’s….”
Yep, all good ideas come from Republicans. Problem is, Democrats are 100 years behind the times.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
10:53 pm
DDR
To cheer you up, a great joke here.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
Its late, and I have to get up super early in the a.m. — have a good night gentlemen and sleep tight.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
Mick,
What I am saying is that .01% of them are engaged in the actual terrorist bombings. But the number of them who sympathize with their actions and are generally supportive of them and are anti U.S. is staggering. Look at the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt which is now possibly the most powerful group in the nation. Do you honestly think this organization which is virulently anti_American got to hold that much power and influence because of .01% of the population? Now do you see what I’m saying?
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
10:56 pm
“Sleeping with someone is so much WORSE than not showing your tax returns when you wish to attain the highest office in the land……..these two things are sooo similar…”
Well, hello to you as well, DDR. As you can see, I have been hammering away at that knuckle head of yours, but (alas) to no avail. But to your point, there is not in my (or I would bet many people’s) mind much of a moral equivalence between committing adultery WHILE president (with the attendant security risk of blackmail or a distracting and bitter divorce) and not releasing more of your tax returns than is legally required. Sorry, but I think you are out in fringe land almost all by your lonesome on this issue.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
10:58 pm
Mick,
I’m not sure where Islam went wrong but do you realize that at one time they were far more advanced then us Christian based Europeans? While Europe was dirty, filthy, ignorant, and backwards during the Middle or dark ages the Arabs and Muslims were prospering. They were tolerant and far advanced in algebra, astronomy, basically in the math and sciences. We were the backward asses. Where they went wrong I don’t know but they did.
JamVet
September 20th, 2012
10:59 pm
William, you are so blind and so incredibly foolish that you think that YOU are the arbiter of these matters and NOT the Torah and Talmud. Nor the countless rabbis who have studied, pondered and considered this very question for hundred and hundreds of years.
It is truly beyond belief that you are actually doubling down on your stupid.
It is almost pathetic to watch you as you have desperately scrambled around the Internet over the past week to learn a few things about Judaism and Jewish scholars.
Like many right wing Christians, you are amazingly arrogant and unbelievably ignorant, but you are right about one thing.
You are no intellectual.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
10:59 pm
Sign – “Jump You F***(kers!!”
oh Kam too funny!!! You made my night!
Seen on the website’s link:
I would give everything I own if a Callista/Willard sex tape showed up.
Willard: My gosh, this feels wonderful. What is this called?
Callista: Mmf, spork, ush cawd a blowjob.
Willard: But Ann told me those don’t exist.
Callista: It’s the only way Newt flies. Hey, try to get hard, okay?
Willard: Okay, I’ll think about money.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
11:01 pm
Towncrier,
Hard to believe that they have now somehow twisted not releasing 10 years of tax returns into some kind of an immoral act or crime. Bizarre.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
11:01 pm
doom
Isolationism or at least a good dose of it is needed so everyone can just cool off and go about making money. I’ve been over there and they loves to barter and make money. It’s always the uneducated mobs that have nothing better to do causing all these problems. Al queda is a losing proposition, they keep getting blown up. Everybody minding their own counties business might help…
Mick
September 20th, 2012
11:03 pm
**Arabs and Muslims were prospering. They were tolerant and far advanced in algebra, astronomy, basically in the math and sciences. We were the backward asses. **
Absolutely correct sir! What happened? O-I-L
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
11:03 pm
“You are forgetting some history here, christianity in the dark ages was burning witches at the stake and had the inquisition, not exactly brotherly love going on there…”
And I think, Mick, you are failing to realize that “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21). It should be patently obvious that military crusades, inquistions, burnings at the stake, big opulent buildings, millionaire preachers and the like are not really representative of God’s will in the NT.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
11:05 pm
“Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.”
I’ve used that line on here several times over the last year or so. Funny but I never even knew it came from Dilbert.Makes sense now.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
11:08 pm
“Hard to believe that they have now somehow twisted not releasing 10 years of tax returns into some kind of an immoral act or crime. Bizarre.”
It is really, really hard for me to wrap my brain around the possibility that someone actually believes that not releasing ten years of tax returns is not being “above reproach” while committing adultery in your place of work with a woman a little older than your daughter (with the risk of blackmail) is NO BIG DEAL. I am stunned and have been for two days.
Mick
September 20th, 2012
11:11 pm
crier
It’s not in my pay grade to make judgement.
Roger out…
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:11 pm
Why hasn’t obama released 20 years of tax returns?
What a crook.
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
11:12 pm
Mick,
I agree with your 11:01. The problem I see though is that those uneducated mobs are the majority of the population in the poorer Middle eastern nations.
And even then I wonder. I remember watching a 60 minutes episode in which they visited Kuwaiti college students 10 years after the first Gulf War. It was nothing short of disgusting. These spoiled beyotches blamed the U.S. for there not being enough jobs for Kuwaiti young people. To them a job is starting off as a mid level manager at a white collar firm. Kuwait like Saudi Arabia I think imports most of its labor because most jobs like restaurant jobs and every day blue collar jobs are beneath them. They blamed us for oil not being priced high enough to where they could live even more opulently then they already did. These were wealthy college kids but the idea was the same even they would had bailed their asses out 10 years earlier. They were not in the least bit grateful to the U.S. and they blamed us for most of their problems which were few to begin with. Those folks dislike us no matter what.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:18 pm
“those uneducated mobs are the majority of the population”
I’m so tired of discussing the democratic party
So lights out
Thulsa Doom
September 20th, 2012
11:18 pm
Towncrier,
Well as far as morals go then yeah I would have to agree. That is kind of stunning that someone would think that way. There’s no question that Clinton is an immoral man. As far as the Lewinsky tell all book I still am not down with that though. Despite Clinton’s moral failings I just don’t like seeing a presidency reduced to that sort of embarrassment. But then again I reckon he’s reaping what he sowed.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
11:42 pm
“William, you are so blind and so incredibly foolish that you think that YOU are the arbiter of these matters and NOT the Torah and Talmud. Nor the countless rabbis who have studied, pondered and considered this very question for hundred and hundreds of years.”
First of all, genius, anyone has the right to reason and make judgements about things – as you demonstrated when you (ironically and now – in the face of your continued insistence otherwise – hypocritically) presumed to define what a Christian is (need that link to your post again?). I never said I was THE arbiter of who was and was not a Jew. Indeed, I do NOT run a certification organization for Jews – got it? I expressed by belief and it upset you. Too bad.
I will bet top dollar I know the Torah a whole better than you do. The Torah stipulates a lot of requirements that are not even close to being observed by most Jews today – especially in America. For instance, it says that you must, as a male, be circumcised on the 8th day in order to enter into a covenantal relationship with God. While most Jews – secular or not – unthinkingly observe this practice, some have not (http://www.npr.org/2012/08/22/159807599/some-israeli-parents-rethink-ritual-circumcision.).
The Talmud is a collection of teachings based upon the Torah which are mere extrapolations that may or may not be correct in their interpretation or application of the Torah. These kind of secondary, supplemental writings occur in almost every religion and to me don’t amount to much of anything. But that is another subject
“It is truly beyond belief that you are actually doubling down on your stupid.”
Mirror, mirror on the wall….
“It is almost pathetic to watch you as you have desperately scrambled around the Internet over the past week to learn a few things about Judaism and Jewish scholars.”
Huh? I don’t require Jewish “scholars” to back me up. My conclusion is a logical deduction from my knowledge of the Torah. Secular Jews are make little no attempt to observe the Torah itself (except possibly income coincidental way) and so the Torah would say they should be “cut off”.
Since before we even had the debate at hand we were discussing the reason for the liberalism of Jews, I thought the other day to look into this question for the first time. And I presented you with one of the articles I found. You, stupidly, thought I was “scrambling” around somehow to defend my position. I don’t need to do that. I can simply read the Torah as it stands, unchanged for thousands of years, and figure out who is real Jew and who isn’t. And secular Jews don’t make the cut. It is that simple. They are biologically Jews, but that is like saying you have something in common with your sperm donor father you have never met.
“You are no intellectual.”
Of course not. Again, no one on this blog is.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
11:44 pm
“Despite Clinton’s moral failings I just don’t like seeing a presidency reduced to that sort of embarrassment.”
I agree. But, then again, I grimace to think there was ever a Jerry Springer show. People love dirty laundry, as Don has said in his satiric lyrics.
getalife
September 21st, 2012
12:16 am
sanitariam said smart people will never be on his side.
After reading blogs for a decade, I have to agree.
Marty Huggins'
September 21st, 2012
12:17 am
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
7:43 pm
Sorry for it being so late of a reply, got busy.
Anyway calm down! That’s 1st
Where to begin????
Well I guess we should start with your unfounded claim that I spout off the 47% stuff. I don’t.
So we have established your tendency towards overreacting, placing those with whom you disagree with into simple groups, or you are a failed circus mind reader?
See when i hear the 47% don’t do this or that I see it as more of symbolic reference to symbolize all of those whom do abuse the system or those who do indeed have a sense of entitlement. To entertain the idea that there are not people out there doing that shows ones ignorance to the situation.
See when I hear that 47% thrown out there I do not think of military personnel along with many other hard working people. I especially see those in combat or those disabled through their service have paid ANY and ALL debt to this society of ours. Therefore I cannot place them into that category.
I don’t think that makes me a republican or a democrat rather it makes me an intellectual thinking being. Who understands that two human beings can hear te exact same thing and take away two entirely different understandings. And neither one of them have to be wrong or right. I also happen to think ones ones doesn’t make them a bad person. It is their actions and what is in their heart that determines that.
Do you honestly believe Mitt Romney thinks that Combat Vets are Moochers?
Or could he have just simple been using the 47% as representation for the above mentioned group.
Now a debate can be had about the actual percentage of those abusing the system? My guess would be higher than the dems thinks and lower than the repubs think.
And there is no debate poor judgement was used by Mitt Romney in saying what he said but does that mean that he truly thinks combat vets are moochers? Come on!
When you do that you are as simple as Rush and Hannity and all the others you called out.