Ol’ Harry Truman was a dirty socialist? Who knew?
President Harry Truman
A reader, the daughter of a now-deceased reporter for the Atlanta Journal, was digging through some old files of her father’s and came across something that she thought I might find interesting. She was right.
It’s a clip of a story written by her father, Odom Fanning, in 1949, reporting on a debate sponsored by the Gate City Lodge of B’nai Brith. Read the first two paragraphs alone, and you get the flavor of the piece. The parallels with today’s debate on health care are uncanny, missing only a reference to Marxist anti-colonial Kenyans out to destroy this country from within.
The president pushing the program at the time was Harry Truman, the man who had dropped the A-bomb on Japan and who, a year later, would commit U.S. troops to a land war in Asia, trying to block the invasion of South Korea by North Korean and Chinese communists.
– Jay Bookman
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Bernie
September 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he’d lie just to keep his hand in. – Harry S. Truman
Sounds an awful lot like, one Willard Mitt…Mr. 47%!
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
JamVet — “My total bill? About a hundred dollars.”
“God bless the Veterans Administration and the United States of America.
“SINGLE PAYER NOW.”
I’m with you. baby. I had major surgery at the Decatur VA 15+ years ago, and I’ve got nothing but good to say about them. Okay, maybe the nurse that removed the IV needle could have been a little more gentle (she yanked it out and bruised the hell out of my arm), but that’s it.
Jose
September 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
those crazy Germans……… engineering a better system than either DEMS or REPS can come up with
Healthcare in GermanyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Germany has a universal multi-payer health care system with two main types of health insurance: “Law-enforced health insurance” (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) known as sickness funds and “Private” (Private Krankenversicherung).[1][2][3]
Compulsory insurance applies to those below a set income level and is provided through private non-profit “sickness funds” at common rates for all members, and is paid for with joint employer-employee contributions. Provider compensation rates are negotiated in complex corporatist social bargaining among specified autonomously organized interest groups (e.g. physicians’ associations) at the level of federal states (Länder). The sickness funds are mandated to provide a wide range of coverages and cannot refuse membership or otherwise discriminate on an actuarial basis. Small numbers of persons are covered by tax-funded government employee insurance or social welfare insurance. Persons with incomes above the prescribed compulsory insurance level may opt into the sickness fund system, which a majority do, or purchase private insurance. Private supplementary insurance to the sickness funds of various sorts is available.
In 2005, Germany spent 10.7% of GDP on health care, or US$3,628 per capita. According to the World Health Organization, Germany’s health care system was 77% government-funded and 23% privately funded as of 2004[4]. In 2004 Germany ranked thirtieth in the world in life expectancy (78 years for men). It had a very low infant mortality rate (4.7 per 1,000 live births), and it was tied for eighth place in the number of practicing physicians, at per 1,000 people (3.3). In 2001 total spending on health amounted to 10.8 percent of gross domestic product
getalife
September 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
Jam,
You are a lucky man.
I refused the wheelchair too but I paid a lot more money.
One of the Captains on the Deadliest Catch had blood clots in his lungs. He did not make it.
Tom Middleton
September 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
It’s the same ol’ same ol’, Jay. Without the profit motive to repay their campaign donors, Republicans won’t like anything and will find anyway they can to try to make it all about them. I mean, may God help the health-care program that merely breaks even, or, may God forbid, holds down costs like Obamacare does.
But it reminds me of a campaign speech FDR made in ‘36, in which he soundly ridiculed this Republican tendency to try to make it all about them. It’s too funny, Jay, and a clear indication that this crap with the Republican Party has been going on far too long!
“Let me warn you and let me warn the nation against the smooth evasion that says ‘of course we believe these things. We believe in social security. We believe in work for the unemployed. We believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things. BUT, we do not like the way the present administration is DOING them! Just turn them over to us. We will do ALL of them. We will do MORE of them. We will do them better! And most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody ANYthing.’”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZUaW0HwCM&feature=related
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
those crazy Germans……… engineering a better system than either DEMS or REPS can come up with
Ignored earlier.
Please don’t spam us with this crap again.
Rockerbabe
September 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
If Congress had as much courage as Harry Truman, maybe, just maybe our healthcare system wouldn’t be in the vaulted mess that it is in and just maybe, the citizenry wouldn’t be as cynical and sick as they are.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
So, the nexus of the debate about government today is what we call people? Socialist or not?
Really?
From the post directly above my writing this by lynnie gal: “plutocracy/feudalism”. Wow, let’s just debate with absurdity after absurdity. We can get so exceedingly stupid calling Romney in favor of the Divine right of Kings or bringing back the age of Pharoahs—-”Let my people Gooo!”
To these people labels matter more than policy.
Must be a new nadir in political “debate” brought to us by Democrats and the liberal media, and what we ought to expect is most important to the liberal-moron class of voters, the ignoramus driving around Atlanta with NPR on the radio and “Obama 2012″ on his bumper.
At least socialism has a modern meaning that everyone can understand. “Feudalism”???
This is the ol’ straw-man argument that Republicans want anarchy, to sell off fire houses and lay-off policemen and teachers.
At least conservatives are coherent in their arguments.
Liberals are just pedantic repeaters.
skydog
September 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
Moderite Line – “Part of your compensation is your health insurance so unless this is the only company you can work for then it is not a monopoly. As far as the CEO pay although his pay is way to much in my opinion you are being misleading. His total compensation for 5 years was $120 million. 95.8 million of his income was from stock gain.
Also, I provided a link if you do not want him to pay so much right to the owners of the companies which are provided in the link below.”
++++++++++++++++++
No M. Line, I have to pay $500 a month for 80-20% coverage.
So if I don`t like the coverage, just change companies? Brilliant! Why didn`t I think of that? Let the bottom feeding insurance companies wag the dog.
$120,000,000 in 5 years is OK, M. Line? The man has not touched a band aid!
Oh, but most of this composition is stock options.
Receiving stock options is almost as sad as having to sell some stock to pay for college.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
Obam — “At least conservatives are coherent in their arguments.”
I am dubious of that assertion, but I’m prepared to be persuaded by you. Have at it.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
I mean, may God help the health-care program that merely breaks even, or, may God forbid, holds down costs like Obamacare does.
Tom’s magical thinking.
The “pass-a-law” fantasy that government is doing what it legislated.
Anybody see any prices going down in any sector of the economy?
Anyone???
Didn’t think so.
Let’s not have any more government programs to bend the cost curve please!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
I don’t have a link, butthe new Obama ad “Context” is worth a google
for the giggles.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
At least conservatives are coherent in their arguments
OmG, this poster is funnier than Redneck Convert and Bill Orvis White put together.
St Simons - (ab)original Georgian
September 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
this is a good intermediate first step toward single payer, be patient heh
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Wow, let’s just debate with absurdity after absurdity.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ from one who uses a blog name to vilify the sitting president.
Must be a new nadir in political “debate”.
Socialism — BOO!
JamVet
September 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
…NPR on the radio…
Riiight! Because nothing says intellectual and classy like Rush Limbaugh and Neil Boortz! (You classical music loving morons and ignoramuses!)
At least conservatives are coherent in their arguments.
So what happened to you?
LOL!!!
Mary Elizabeth
September 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
JamVet, what a story about your experiences in the VA Hospital. And, relatively recently, too. God bless for what you have endured and survived!
My father, who also sustained blood clots in his lungs and legs, was also treated by the VA, and he was most appreciative of the excellent care he received there. With a blood thinner and monitoring routine that he followed very carefully, he survived an additional 32 years. He died at age 80 in 2000.
nelson
September 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
I care not one tiny bit if Prez O is reelected. I know I have attempted to have my fellow citizens see the light of having a new administration. If they decide that they want to suffer for another four years, then it is ok, go ahead and suffer. [except for the very rich and the 47% non contributors.
front man
September 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
Back in the day, we didn’t have so many hypochondriacs and drug companies pushing legal drugs with doctors and politicians in their pocket. People were not encouraged to go on disability and take pain killers and nerve pills. Can’t compare today to then.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
…to suffer for another four years…
“Suffer”, “prosper”… whatevs.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
nelson — “If they decide that they want to suffer for another four years”
MOAR SUFFERING DETAILS PLZ
KTHXBAI
JamVet
September 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
…he survived an additional 32 years.
Right on!!!
On a scale of 1 to 10, I give the VA a 9.85.
Luckily I was healthy as a horse before the blood clots, so I had very few experiences with “free market” (LOL) health care, but compared to the stories I’ve heard and my limited experinces, Uncle Sam blows them out of the water!
And I would LOVE for ALL Americans to have access to the same incredible care that I did. (Everybody in, nobody out!)
As long as I take my daily does of rat poison (warfarin) and see the vampires every eight weeks, I hope to keep on keepin’ on for a long time too! LOL!
Thanks for sharing that and thanks for your concern, ME.
xoxoxo
Off to dinner with a truly special friend who is feelin’ down.
Later, kids!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
5:03 pm
the REAL non-contributors
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
5:03 pm
JamVet — “As long as I take my daily does of rat poison (warfarin) and see the vampires every eight weeks, I hope to keep on keepin’ on for a long time too! LOL!”
Damn. That stuff nearly killed me.
Jose
September 20th, 2012
5:03 pm
since you said please i will not post this again
those crazy Germans……… engineering a better system than either DEMS or REPS can come up with
Healthcare in GermanyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Germany has a universal multi-payer health care system with two main types of health insurance: “Law-enforced health insurance” (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) known as sickness funds and “Private” (Private Krankenversicherung).[1][2][3]
Compulsory insurance applies to those below a set income level and is provided through private non-profit “sickness funds” at common rates for all members, and is paid for with joint employer-employee contributions. Provider compensation rates are negotiated in complex corporatist social bargaining among specified autonomously organized interest groups (e.g. physicians’ associations) at the level of federal states (Länder). The sickness funds are mandated to provide a wide range of coverages and cannot refuse membership or otherwise discriminate on an actuarial basis. Small numbers of persons are covered by tax-funded government employee insurance or social welfare insurance. Persons with incomes above the prescribed compulsory insurance level may opt into the sickness fund system, which a majority do, or purchase private insurance. Private supplementary insurance to the sickness funds of various sorts is available.
In 2005, Germany spent 10.7% of GDP on health care, or US$3,628 per capita. According to the World Health Organization, Germany’s health care system was 77% government-funded and 23% privately funded as of 2004[4]. In 2004 Germany ranked thirtieth in the world in life expectancy (78 years for men). It had a very low infant mortality rate (4.7 per 1,000 live births), and it was tied for eighth place in the number of practicing physicians, at per 1,000 people (3.3). In 2001 total spending on health amounted to 10.8 percent of gross domestic product
Mary Elizabeth
September 20th, 2012
5:05 pm
“And I would LOVE for ALL Americans to have access to the same incredible care that I did. (Everybody in, nobody out!)”
————————————————–
You’re most welcome, JamVet. And, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, above.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
Joe,
You are dubious; I agree.
I’ll let you work that out for yourself.
If you are still thinking that what’s important in this debate is the outrage that Harry Truman or Barack Obama is being called a socialist by someone in the conservative blogosphere or that Mitt Romney wants a Spanish inquisition, then you’re beyond short-term hope for whatever I can do.
But my effort to be generous to your needs, I will quote as much Thomas Sowell and GK Chesterton as I possibly can, hoping for your intellectual revival sometime between now and 2016.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
I will quote as much Thomas Sowell…
The only information little Tommie Sowell can impart is where he gets his life sized Ayn Rand blow up doll, and since I have no use for that information,– no thanks.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
Joe and Jam,
I take it too .
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 20th, 2012
5:11 pm
Jay
Didn’t you know Truman was a Demoncrat and and and a HABERDASHER
He couldn’t be president, he wasn’t a 1%
Geesh, I wonder how much money he hid in Kenya or Switzerland or the Cayman Islands LOL
Child, please
September 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
What exactly are you reaching for? Where does this say Harry Truman was a socialist? This is an article about universal health care, Harry Truman was obviously in favor, especially for the aged (he was the first Medicare enrollee in the 1960s, correct)?
The idea of universal health care was to reduce fear and keep you covered in case of emergency, just as Social Security was set up to keep elderly people from starving in the 1930s. SS was NEVER envisioned to be a 1-2:1 payee to receiver ratio like today with it paying for all sorts of stuff. Plus the average life expectancy wasn’t even 65 then.
And health care meant you got treatment if you were very, very sick. It wasn’t that someone weighed 325 pounds (no one weighed that much back then, just look at pictures) and went to the doctor because they had high blood pressure, aching joints, etc. and expected to have a pill cure their ills.
Not even Apples and Oranges. The world was much simpler then and people didn’t routinely live into their 80s/90s and have DECADES of medical care provided for them at little or no cost (Medicare payments in don’t even come close to covering cost of the program).
getalife
September 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
Intellectual cons?
Where?
jose
September 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
What people don’t seem to understand is that Obamacare is about access and insurance reform, NOT health care reform or cost containment. One of the major flaws is that the$700 IRS penalty it imposes on those without insurance is likely a savings from the cost of any plan in the vaunted health insurance exchange.where individual policies will likely cost $1500 or more a month. In addition, as there is a severe shortage of physicians and no requirement that they take Medicaid or exchange patients, there is a very likely scenario that individiuals who are currently without insurance now could conceivably have new Medicaid coverage via Obamacare…and nowhere to go taht accepts it. What then?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
5:16 pm
Obam — “Joe, You are dubious; I agree. I’ll let you work that out for yourself.”
Your failed attempt at obloquy as well as your lack of an attempt to persuade me have been noted.
“If you are still thinking that what’s important in this debate is the outrage that Harry Truman or Barack Obama is being called a socialist by someone in the conservative blogosphere or that Mitt Romney wants a Spanish inquisition, then you’re beyond short-term hope for whatever I can do.”
When did I indicate that I had *ever* thought that?
ProTip — the voices in your head are not reflective of what I am thinking. You are not actually a telepath.
“But my effort to be generous to your needs, I will quote as much Thomas Sowell and GK Chesterton as I possibly can, hoping for your intellectual revival sometime between now and 2016.”
Don’t bother. Sowell’s long past his Sell By Date and has largely descended into hey-you-damn-kids-get-offa-my-lawnism, whereas Chesterton’s generally only good for a laugh or two. If you want to impress me with your big, throbbing conservative brain, bring me some fresh new angles, not tired old retreaded arguments.
That said, if you’ve decided to rely on hope as your mechanism as you indicated, then it seems that you won’t be voting for that no-hoper Romney, now will you? After all, “Hope” wasn’t his slogan.
I’ll let you work that out for yourself.
UGA ECONOMICS MAJOR
September 20th, 2012
5:16 pm
I,M VERY PROUD OF OUR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA…….I,M A WEALTHY MIDDLE AGE WHITE MAN BUT THIS MAN IS MY HERO..HE MAKES ME PROUD..ARTICULATE,HANDSOME ,COOL AND CALM AND VERY PRESIDENTIAL..OBAMA 2012
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
hoping for your intellectual revival
Is there a tent/mini-clown car involved or just the sideshow barker looking for GOP Sowell rubes?
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
And Joe,
If you’re thinking along these lines:…..
The only information little Tommie Sowell can impart is where he gets his life sized Ayn Rand blow up doll,
…you’re way way beyond rehabilitation.
Just in case you were wondering.
The danger of this type of thinking is that it causes great stress when and if one who believes it, actually would read Sowell. It would be as if you argued gravity was turned off and then realized a coconut fell on your head.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
5:20 pm
… actually would read Sowell.
I have “actually” read Sowell.
The “original” is Ayn Rand.
And yes, I’ve read her crap too.
Don Abernethy
September 20th, 2012
5:20 pm
It is of no consequence what happened in our past history by Presidents of either party. What counts is now. Socialism to me is basically big government and big government involvement in our daily lives. Under this administration we have had socialism. Almost all Republicans do not want socialism and we represent half of the voters.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
5:21 pm
Joe,
The “hope” thing means what?
You’ve got that incoherent thing again.
Doggone/GA
September 20th, 2012
5:21 pm
As long as we’re quoting Truman, here is my favorite quote – and arguably his most well known: “I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.”
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
Kamchak,
The original is Ayn Rand???
I guess LOL is a reasonable response to that.
What is unreasonable is the liberal effort this year to pretend their political opponents stand for something else than what they are saying, and then to argue against that false pretense.
Just like you are doing.
If you can’t handle the truth Sowell articulates, then don’t mention him.
But as long as you continue the straw-man schtick, you embarrass yourself.
The former is avoidance, and that is respectable. The latter is lying, which is what you are doing.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 20th, 2012
5:25 pm
See it’s now been proven that OBAMA is the first President of the USA.
NOTHING counts that happened before OBAMA.
OBAMA is a SOCIALIST and the USA has become a SOCIALIST country in 3.5 years.
Nucking Futz
getalife
September 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
embarrassment,
What truth?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
5:29 pm
If you can’t handle the truth Sowell articulates…
“Truth”, “truthiness” — whatevs.
independent thinker
September 20th, 2012
5:32 pm
Harry Truman was one of the best presidents in the last century. Didn’t mind to tell someone to their face that they were a lying SOB. Said he never trusted Nixon because he was shifty eyed and couldn’t tell the truth. Kinda like someone running for president today.
VA health care added ten years to my father’s life before he died. They did open heart surgery on him at age 85 when his privately run health care plan refused to pay.Best run health care system in the country.
Have to wonder if their even will be a Veterans Affairs system if the chickenhawk draft dodger gets elected. His party has decided that disabled veterans are victims and moochers. Think of th emoney we could save if we cut them off from benefits!
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
5:34 pm
Obam — “If you’re thinking along these lines:…..…you’re way way beyond rehabilitation.”
If you don’t hurry up and actually exert some effort, I’m going to dismiss you as well.
Either dispense with this “rehabilitation” bullspit and get on with it or man up and admit you’re not up to the task. Either way, s**t or get off the pot.
“Just in case you were wondering.”
I spent the first 20+ years of my voting life on your side, and the conservative capacity for talking big s**t and then scampering off at the first sign of actual work to be done never ceases to amaze me. So get on with it.
“The danger of this type of thinking is that it causes great stress when and if one who believes it, actually would read Sowell. It would be as if you argued gravity was turned off and then realized a coconut fell on your head.”
I’ve read Sowell. Along with a great many other conservative thinkers.
Are you done with your Consumer Warnings and Prescription Interactions yet?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
5:36 pm
Obam — “Joe, The “hope” thing means what?”
No, I didn’t think it would slow down on the way through your head. Thanks for owning up to it!
“You’ve got that incoherent thing again.”
Not at all. You’ve got that teechur, I don’t gettit thing going on. (chuckling)
J. Love
September 20th, 2012
5:36 pm
The guy murdered tens of thousands when he dropped those weapons on defenseless cities so this kind of anti-human communist position doesn’t suprise me.
dbm
September 20th, 2012
5:39 pm
Doggone/GA
September 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
“… government will step in when the private sector fails to step up.”
Where government steps in, it tends to pre-empt the field and block the private sector from stepping up.
When public schools were first pushed, the private sector was doing a very good job of stepping up, but government stepped in anyway.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
Maybe if we could get the entire families of the 400 richest in the USA to an outdoor wedding in Wisconsin (preferably Janesville) we could have Obama stage a drone attack LOL.
OHHHHH the STOOOPID is BURNING.
Which is it???
September 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
The Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was in fact “a terrorist attack” and the U.S. government has indications that members of al Qaeda were directly involved, a top Obama administration official said Wednesday morning. “I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy,” Matt Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said Wednesday at a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security Committee…
===
Obama responded by repeating the admonitions about not tolerating violence, but continued to discuss the incident in the context of the controversial video depicting scenes from the life of Mohammed.
Wilbur
September 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
If Truman wanted a single payor system and if he actually believed the distinction without a difference of who the docs legally worked for then he deserved his failure on this point.
Just like Obama deserves the condemnation he is getting from most Americans for his over reaching takeover of our healthcare system. His real goal is Single Payor which is true for most liberals. Now three and a half years into the Obama administration we can see that his solutions for America haven’t worked, aren’t working and won’t work. His policies have simply failed. We have a stagnant economy teetering on the edge of a double dip recession but the media like Jay are just to dumb to know that Obamanomics is a disaster.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
Common — “OHHHHH the STOOOPID is BURNING.”
HURRRRRRRRR
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
5:43 pm
No Keep Up,
clown car….. If only in your mind, then maybe.
What there is for certain, is each liberal dressing up a scarecrow, calling it a conservative and arguing with it.
There isn’t even any sentience involved in what you are trying to do.
nB: I just want to say that I haven’t seen one racist-accusing comment today, and that the Jay Bookman blog is as civil and polite as I can ever remember it. (JamVet must be in a good mood too). Anyway, my hat is off to Bookman for whatever he may have done in improving the behavior of his fellow liberals.
The air seems a little cleaner today, though by objective standards, it is never very clear around liberals.
For what it’s worth, well done everyone.
oldguy
September 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
Good point Jay,
Harry Truman was, most likely a socialist.
He definitely WAS a small town insurance salesman in way over his head in government. He got us into the Korean war without a plan to either get us out or win. He oversaw the almost complete destruction of our military such that when he sent units to Korea they were so understrength, underarmed and undertrained that they were overwhelmed and pushed almost totally out of Korea by an armed mob using 19th century tactics. He refused to listen to his own chosen and experienced military commanders and eventually fired the greatest military mind ever in the US Army.
Yes, you are quite correct, he does have lots in common with the disaster we how have in the Whitehouse!
He did do one great thing, he oversaw the building of the porch over the entry alcove to the front of the Whitehouse. That’s one up on Obama!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
If you need sowell to do your thinking for you, politics is not your thing.
Paul
September 20th, 2012
5:50 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Just caught up with a note downstairs. Been at the gym. BTW, JKL2 is not only not a student of history, he doesn’t take the time to read links to learn something. Seems endemic around here.
__________________________________________________________________
Joe Scarborough was on Leno last night. Leno asked him if he was a conservative and a Republican. He said conservative, but the Republican party has too many crazies in it now. Said the only measuring stick the ideologues in the party use to determine if someone is a good Republican is if they hate Obama.
That’s from Scarborough. He said when he was elected Republicans thought him too conservative. Now the crazies consider him a RINO.
From what I read on this blog, he’s spot on.
Doggone/GA
September 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
“When public schools were first pushed, the private sector was doing a very good job of stepping up”
Sure…for those who could afford it. And in case you haven’t noticed, there are STILL private schools. Government stepped in where the private sector WOULD NOT. They did not shut down the private system, they just augmented it wil public schools.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
Paul,
I think Joe lives in the real world.
What are you going to do with the radicals in your party when Americans keep electing them?
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
getalife
Paul is not a Republican to my knowledge.
pogo
September 20th, 2012
5:59 pm
http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/obama-calls-for-democracy-with-a-small-d/
Obama is a socialist bordering on marxist and this video proves it. He does not believe in the thing (Capitalism and free enterprise) that has made a modern entitlement state possible in this country wherein even our poorest live better than 95% of the rest of the world. No, he hates capitalism and the only capitlistic things he does believe in are those that the government can control. Obama’s words speak for themselves. He does not like America and he does not like free enterprise. So Jay, you can try to tell yourself that his way is the best way but I say again, you are not a journalist but a propagandist for a distributionist socialist president. You, like so many of those enamoured of socialism or whatever leftist definition you want to put on it don’t even dare question anything Obama has done. Nothing. You are not to be taken seriously.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
World Net Daily
Home of the birther articles
hahahahahahah
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
Paul is not a Republican to my knowledge.
Depends on what day it is, but Bosch has the official “Paul is a Republican on __________ day” calendar.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
6:06 pm
Interesting you should cast a backward glance to Truman at a time when the slightest collateral damage in one of current wars is roundly condemned and grist for political attacks. Bush is considered by some to be a “war criminal” because civilians died in some of aerial and ground attacks in both wars, but Truman is a fondly remembered as one of our greatest presidents despite having killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.
I am not making any judgements, but only an observation. You can’t have it both ways or apply two standards.
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
I have a plan, a secret plan, to change government. Trust me. – Mitt
Paul
September 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
getalife
“What are you going to do with the radicals in your party when Americans keep electing them?”
Pray for evolution to work.
Quickly.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
oldguy — “He got us into the Korean war without a plan to either get us out or win. He oversaw the almost complete destruction of our military such that when he sent units to Korea they were so understrength, underarmed and undertrained that they were overwhelmed and pushed almost totally out of Korea by an armed mob using 19th century tactics.”
oldguy, you’re either uninformed or dishonestly misrepresenting the truth.
Point #1 — We entered the Korean War after a UN Security Council vote unanimously condemned the invasion of the South by the North and recommended that member UN States provide military aid to South Korea.
Point #2 — There were 21 member States *besides* the US that participated, providing nearly a million men and women in support of the effort.
Point #3 — As far as units being understrength goes, I’m sure you’re aware that the Korean War took place only a few years after the conclusion of WWII — a period marked by massive demobilization of armed forces and the wholesale conversion of military materiel production facilities back into civilian factories and manufacturing plants. And guess who approved the cuts in spending for manpower and materiel acquisitions? That’s right, CONGRESS. Truman couldn’t spend one red cent that Congress didn’t appropriate.
Point #4 — Armed mob with 19th Century tactics? Try massively OUTNUMBERING the UN and ROK forces. North Korea’s forces by themselves were only about a division or so fewer in number than the US forces (the single biggest foreign contributor of manpower to the South Korean side) and the Chinese had *twice* the men in the field that the US did. If you want a chilling account of the human wave attacks during Korea from a grunt’s perspective, I commend to your reading About Face by David Hackworth.
Maybe you’ve never studied that period’s military history, but I have — and it’s plain to me that you just don’t know jack about it.
pogo
September 20th, 2012
6:09 pm
And notice in the video that Obama say he believes in Democracy with a “small d”. I guess that means he actually believes that democracy should somehow be constrained and take a backseat to some leftist ideology of re-distribution. You know, let the people vote just as long as their vote doesn’t mean anything and the government has the last say. As I said, Obama is at the very least a far left socialist bordering on communist and his own words prove it. He actually comes off in this video sounding like that he believes America needs itself a leftist dictator of the South American persuasion. Look for this video to start flying in the next few days.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
I’m out. All be well and drive safely.
You libs
September 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
Hi folks.
Been out of the loop today…did he make it through the day without a gaffe?
pogo
September 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
The video speaks for itself fool. No matter the source.
oldguy
September 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
For all you ;lovers of the VA Health system, As a Vietnam vet (607th MP’s Siagon 1968) I can testify from experience, it is crap! The Mds, in general, are poorly trained, undersupervised, and could care less about the patients. Medicines are in short supply and not always available when needed (I gave up years ago in getting my Lantus injectors for my insulin for them as they are always out). They have tried to substitute meds for my prescribed meds that my local Dr and friend has told my will be useless in the treatment of my BP and diabetes problems. I was told it would be 6 months before I could get a Steroid shot in my knee (My local Md got it for me the next day under my personal medical insurance). I don’t even bother to go to the VA anymore, I have NO confidence in them.
If you love it so much, may I suggest you go back and rent the old Jane Fonda movie (you know, the far right zelot, Hanoi Jane) called “Coming Home”. Very complimentary of the VA health System, and very true to life.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
pogo
You stated “notice in the video”, as if anyone watched it.
hahahahahah
You birther
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
6:19 pm
If a video falls in the woods and no one is around, does it still make a sound?
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
“For all you ;lovers of the VA Health system, As a Vietnam vet (607th MP’s Siagon 1968) I can testify from experience, it is crap! ”
First off, oldguy, thanks for your service is what has to be the worst war we ever got ourselves involved in.
In fairness, it must be said that one can hear varying assessments of the VA – I guess depending upon what care is needed. Probably the best argument against government-run health care is the government’s track record on running other things. Like it or not, competition forces people to treat their customers well and increases consumer value over time.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
Jay
THE SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS
need Healthcare
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
… competition forces people to treat their customers well and increases consumer value over time.
My experience with the health care gate keepers — the administrative staff — gainsays that claim.
F. Sinkwich
September 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
Anybody ever get some of that LASIK surgery for the ol’ eyeballs?
Goodness sakes, a few years ago, just after it became an approved procedure, it cost thousands!
Now it costs hundreds.
Gee, why is that?
Could it be that it isn’t typically covered by insurance? Hmmmmmmmmmmm?
Eyeball Docs have to compete for the biz. So prices go down.
News to lib ilks here:
The free market works everywhere it’s tried.
Socialism never works anywhere it’s tried.
barking frog
September 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
Nearly every president had
tried to pass some form of
national healthcare. One
got it done. Obamacare
should get him four more
years.
Mama Says
September 20th, 2012
6:28 pm
How in the hell do you guys praise Obama for the healthcare bill when none of you know what’s in it ?
oldguy
September 20th, 2012
6:30 pm
Ok Joe,
Point 1 and 2 – What do they have to do with Truman and his shortcomings?
Point 3 – And who controlled that Congress, Truman Democrats. and BTW Obama seems to have no problems spending and/of cutting Trillions of dollars without going to congress.
Point 4 – The Chinese Communist army was largely made up of farmer/peasants and not professional soldiers. And their Cadre of NCOs were, in many cases, unable to read or write. They were experienced in war as they had recently pushed the Nationalists under Chang out of China (into Formosa) without Truman lifting a finger to help (he did send the 7th Fleet to keep the Communists from invading Formosa). Their tactics were very similar to the Russians in WW2, Throw masses of men at the enemy, reguardless of losses, until he was overrun.
I served with some Korean war vets in Nam, and BTW I have a masters degree in history from UNCCH, specialized in 19th and 20 century history.
oldguy
September 20th, 2012
6:35 pm
Thanks Towncrier,
Astute and on-target. The VA has gotten better, but I finished my work as a civilian with the Air Force, and my private insurance has been excellent; the VA was not.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
6:37 pm
BTW, I have three doctorates, one from Cal Tech, one from Harvard, one from Johns Hopkins and I can make The Most Interesting Man in the World cry like a 2 year old.
F. Sinkwich
September 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
I am always disgusted by flag desecration. Anyone see what O’bozo is doing to the stars and stripes?
https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-collections/artists-for-obama.html
Despicable!!!
oldguy
September 20th, 2012
6:49 pm
But Kammy,
Mine actually came with a diploma!
Paul
September 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
Sure, Sinkwich, but I’ll bet you’re going to bid on this, aren’t you?
http://tinyurl.com/8nfv4qq
You libs
September 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
It just seems like I’m never around when great historical events occur.
When our country landed a man on the moon, I was out near the very tip of the Aleutian Islands and missed it. When the Allman Bros. were playing for free at Piedmont Park, I was dealing bombs and projectiles in the Gulf of Tonkin out of the U.S.S. Firedrake, AE14.
So, I go to work today and leave my phone at home, and Mitt makes it through the whole day without a major gaffe?
It’s uncanny.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
6:53 pm
I am always disgusted by flag desecration. Anyone see what O’bozo is doing to the stars and stripes?
drudgey spam from mid day.
Bobby
September 20th, 2012
6:55 pm
If ever a person was born to be a socialist, it would be you Jay….
Wilbur
September 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
Ol’ Jay Bookman still shillin’ for the Prez. Kind of sad, actually.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
6:58 pm
Romney down in south FL
Jm
September 20th, 2012
6:59 pm
Np video
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
6:59 pm
Jm
September 20th, 2012
6:58 pm
Romney down in south FL
++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m sure you will both enjoy the blow……..
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 20th, 2012
7:01 pm
But Kammy,
Mine actually came with a diploma!
There are degrees for sock-puppetry?
Was your master’s thesis on Shari Lewis?
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
7:01 pm
F. Sinkwich
September 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
I am always disgusted by flag desecration. Anyone see what O’bozo is doing to the stars and stripes?
++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m always disgusted by people who denigrate our combat troops and the 2.9 MILLION combat veterans in this Country. YOU call them moochers. ROMNEY called them moochers. EVERY talk radio host called them moochers.
Kiss my ass you soldier hating dead beats.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
7:04 pm
“My experience with the health care gate keepers — the administrative staff — gainsays that claim.”
Health care is not really competitive right now – it has been operating more like a monopoly than anything. That’s the problem. Compare it to eye care. The government doesn’t have to take over running health care to fix that. Simple legislation should, in my view, be able to do the job. But I DO think there should be a mandate and/or waiver to ensure there are no freeloaders.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
No video
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
Finally, Obama goes somewhere besides on Letterman or The View and gets challenged:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81470.html?hp=t1_3
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
7:08 pm
“If ever a person was born to be a socialist, it would be you Jay….”
It is genetic, like homosexuality.