GOP strategists cannot like what they’re seeing
So this is what it looks like on Sept. 20, 2012, 47 days to the election that Newt Gingrich kept calling the most consequential since 1860:
In the presidential race, Mitt Romney remains neck and neck with Barack Obama in both the Rasmussen and Gallup tracking polls, with most of Obama’s post-convention bounce eroding. Other recent polls, however, show Obama building a significant lead. The latest Pew poll puts Obama up eight points; the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll puts him up five.
But Romney’s real problems show up at the state level. In the swing states that he has to have — Ohio, Virginia, Florida — poll after poll shows his situation deteriorating significantly. At a point in the campaign where he has to be shrinking the margin, the margin is growing. Fox puts Romney down seven in Ohio, down five in Florida and down seven in Virginia.
Republican hopes to take the Senate, a goal the party once deemed a near certainty, seem to be collapsing as well. In state after state, the numbers are turning. Massachusetts, Florida, Virginia, Connecticut, Ohio, Wisconsin — in every crucial state in which fresh numbers are available, the tide is strongly Democratic. Last night in red Arizona, a new poll put Democrat Richard Carmona up by five over U.S. Rep. Jeff Flake, the first lead Carmona has enjoyed. Other polls will be needed to confirm that switch, but back in June, Rasmussen gave Flake a seemingly insurmountable 16-point lead.
“I’m not one for hyperbole,” Nate Silver of Fivethirtyeight tweeted last night. “But GOP Senate map is imploding. Chance of a takeover now just 21%.”
Most if not all of these numbers were generated before release of the video of Mitt Romney speaking a little too candidly to a roomful of donors. But GOP candidates all over the country are explicitly rejecting those remarks, running from them like Japanese villagers fleeing Godzilla. In Washington yesterday, Senate Republican leaders abandoned the microphones rather than take questions on the subject. (Rich Lowry, editor of the conservative National Review, has an admirably frank analysis of Romney’s distorted mindset at Politico.)
Even if you don’t put much credence in poll numbers, watch and listen to the Republican political professionals. If you don’t believe it, they do. Some are already in blame-shifting or recrimination mode, or trying to tamp down panic. Their internal polls are apparently telling them what the public polls are telling the rest of us. They also understand that if this turns out to be what it looks like — a broad and significant shift toward Democrats — Democratic control of the House, once considered little more than a far-fetched dream by party leaders, could — I stress could — become a possibility.
On the GOP side of the ledger, 47 days is a long time in politics, and Romney still has three debates against Obama in which to turn things around. He has a lot of money yet to spend, both in his own campaign coffers and through “independent” campaigns funded by wealthy conservatives. Outside events could also intervene. (However, his ham-handed approach to events in Egypt and Libya don’t inspire confidence in his ability to turn that to his advantage, should it occur.)
Finally, electoral waves that build too early have a way of cresting and receding by the time Election Day comes around. So it ain’t over, not for a while yet.
But something does seem to be going on out there.
– Jay Bookman
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Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
6:16 am
Gotta repost this…
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Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
6:17 am
By the way…Grand morning to all y’all!
kristie
September 20th, 2012
6:29 am
Please. He spoke the truth… this is just to avoid the facts that under Obama food prices have risen 30% and gas has almost doubled in price. Romney is right and the “victims” hate the truth. But, the true question is to these Victims want help or do they want to end up like Greece where everyone is about to loose their entitlements forever. The people that collect checks are not paying into the system.
Melba Narberth
September 20th, 2012
6:31 am
When will American journalists quit being so obsessed with hurting people’s feelings and start talking about true dangers such as the $16 trillion debt and the NDAA, which Obama signed into law and allows for the indefinite detainment of Americans without trial?
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
6:31 am
” In state after state, the numbers are turning. Massachusetts, Florida, Virginia, Connecticut, Ohio, Wisconsin — in every crucial state in which fresh numbers are available, the tide is strongly Democratic. ”
and yesterday’s vote in which the GOP turned its back on vets isn’t going to help any …
it’s beginning to look a lot … like … Christmas … eeeeeeeverywheeeeeere you goooooo …
GoodScout
September 20th, 2012
6:32 am
Damn those freeloading veterans! And those moocher retirees who paid into the Social Security system. The more people learn about the real GOP, the more likely they are to vote Democratic.
Blackeyedbeaver
September 20th, 2012
6:33 am
I want to call a landslide in the making however a BILLION dollars of Koch, Freis and Adleson money has been guaranteed to this race. The GOP has crap to sell, but an eternal ‘infomercial’ to play out for the next 6 1/2 weeks…Will people power trump billionaire dollars? For the future of the Republic, I hope so.
Jay
September 20th, 2012
6:33 am
“Please. He spoke the truth….”
Before you try to convince the public of that fact, kristie, you might want to start by convincing leaders of your own party. Because for the most part, they’re not saying what you’re saying.
well I dont like hearing network news continue to coverup serious gaffs by Obama while taking minor misquotes from Mr Romney and continually bash him over mundane things just to divert everyones attention from obamas many screwups ..
September 20th, 2012
6:34 am
Enter your comments here
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
6:34 am
“under Obama food prices have risen 30% and gas has almost doubled in price”
why-o-why-o-why-o … do supposed conservatives hate the free market …
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
6:35 am
“minor misquotes”
Jay
September 20th, 2012
6:37 am
Melba, I don’t like the NDAA anymore than you do. And while Obama signed it and should certainly take the heat for doing so, the impetus for that legislation came out of Congress, with a lot of Republican support. It is a bipartisan power grab by the security apparatus at the expense of basic freedom, and I very much hope the courts throw it out.
Jay
September 20th, 2012
6:40 am
And to reiterate regarding the “minor misquotes”, read the Lowry piece linked above. It’s very good. He makes the case that the statements reflect too accurately who Romney really is.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
6:41 am
Signing Statement by the President on H.R. 1540
Today I have signed into law H.R. 1540, the “National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012.” I have signed the Act chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families, and vital national security programs that must be renewed. In hundreds of separate sections totaling over 500 pages, the Act also contains critical Administration initiatives to control the spiraling health care costs of the Department of Defense (DoD), to develop counterterrorism initiatives abroad, to build the security capacity of key partners, to modernize the force, and to boost the efficiency and effectiveness of military operations worldwide.
The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists. Over the last several years, my Administration has developed an effective, sustainable framework for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected terrorists that allows us to maximize both our ability to collect intelligence and to incapacitate dangerous individuals in rapidly developing situations, and the results we have achieved are undeniable. Our success against al-Qa’ida and its affiliates and adherents has derived in significant measure from providing our counterterrorism professionals with the clarity and flexibility they need to adapt to changing circumstances and to utilize whichever authorities best protect the American people, and our accomplishments have respected the values that make our country an example for the world.
just sayin’.
DeborahinAthens
September 20th, 2012
6:43 am
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, in this state, in particular, the lower middle class white religious nuts always vote for Republicans. I can only assume it is because of those pesky social values. These are people that want to prevent us from buying liquor on Sunday, they want the Ten Commandments in the courthouse and baby Jesus in the manger on the courthouse square at Christmas. They do not want women to have control of their own bodies. The men want their women barefoot and pregnant, all the time. I have one second cousin who has had six kids, and believe me, the gene pool is getting pretty diluted! It amazes me that these are the same people who have seen their jobs evaporate. The carpet mills have gone away, and will never come back. Their Republican governors have trashed the public school system so any tiny ray of hope for this cohort being able to get a decent education has been destroyed by Republicans hell bent on getting the voucher system instituted so little Trey can get help with his private school and little Bubba can get his Christian School paid for by the tax payers. These are the same irrational people that excoriate Obama for not creating jobs for them. How is it that they cannot see the the entire Republican Party from Mitt the Twitt on down to our local Congressmen and women do not have their best interest at heart? Ask ex-gov Sonny why he gutted education spending to spend millions on a fish museum, which, on any day rarely has more than ten cars in the parking lot. Ask him!
John Getze
September 20th, 2012
6:45 am
I wonder, do any of these commenters actually believe what they read here? Funny.
Jay
September 20th, 2012
6:47 am
To be honest, USinUK, Obama could have and should have spoken out against those provisions more forcefully, and if he had he might have gotten them changed.
Wilbur
September 20th, 2012
6:48 am
The media is in overdrive to keep anything negative from Obama and to work as hard as they can to position Romney negatively. It’s now an all out push, no pretense, just partisanship.
After the election they will sort out the price they will pay with the public.
Krystal'sBalls
September 20th, 2012
6:49 am
Said it before and I will say it again, Obama will win this election in a landslide. The debates will all but seal Romney’s fate. The guy just IS NOT very good. Doubters keep doubting…
And yes @USinUK, it does seem that they really do not like the so-called “free market”. They only like it when they can exploit the concept in a talking point to sway the misinformed non-critical thinking masses.
BlahBlahBlah
September 20th, 2012
6:50 am
Congratulations Democrats. This November you’re the least worst option. What a proud accomplishment.
Peadawg
September 20th, 2012
6:50 am
I was expecting a column on the GOP rejecting the Veterans Jobs bill that was just shot down.
woodsrocks
September 20th, 2012
6:50 am
The 47% grows every time this disdainful money baron opens his mouth.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
6:52 am
Jay – 6:47 – totally agree – but the signing statement is better than nothing.
DeborahinAthens
September 20th, 2012
6:53 am
By the way, kristie, you do know that the price of food has gone up due to worldwide weather conditions, some would say is primarily the result of global climate change. There have been severe droughts in our Midwest, which is called the “Breadbasket of the World” for a reason. There are also severe droughts in several regions that grow coffee and coccoa beans. I recommend you stop listening to Hannity and Boortz and go on line and read the annual reports of (Brazillian company,largest producer of soybeans), Archer Daniel Midland, ConAgra, etc. Nowhere do we see them mention that their costs have risen because our magical President didn’t wave his magic wand to create food.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
6:53 am
“The media is in overdrive to keep anything negative from Obama and to work as hard as they can to position Romney negatively. It’s now an all out push, no pretense, just partisanship.”
yep. it’s not what he says. it’s the fact that the media TELLS us what he says …
laugh flippin RIOT
DeborahinAthens
September 20th, 2012
6:58 am
@kristie, the soybean producer is Bunge. My fat fingers deleted .the name in the posting above. Tell me what control Obama has over a Brazillion company? Tell me what control he has over the commodities markets and the Mercantile that sets gas prices? You are not very bright or elas you are very gullible. Turn off Talk Radio.
BlahBlahBlah
September 20th, 2012
7:03 am
Where was DeborahinAthens when Princess Pelosi blamed “two oil men in the White House”?
DeborahinAthens
September 20th, 2012
7:04 am
USInUK, maybe the media isn’t reporting negative things and “gaffes” from Obama because he doesn’t say and believe stupid things. At this point, if you’re keeping score, half of what team Romney-Ryan says are lies (proven) or, really, really harsh opinions. Some people agree with those opinions. Some don’t. But bottom line, you people have to stop relying only on the Talk Radio entertainers and Fox News for your “facts”
DeborahinAthens
September 20th, 2012
7:07 am
Sorry USInUK, I was agreeing with you! I know Wilbur made the comment…I need coffee.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:12 am
“Princess Pelosi”
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I stopped reading.
skydog
September 20th, 2012
7:15 am
I saw one yesterday that said, “It ain`t over till the Carl Rove sings”.
Max Sizemore
September 20th, 2012
7:18 am
Jay, you are correct. That IS a good analysis by Lowry.
Brad Arnold
September 20th, 2012
7:19 am
It is important to deferential between unfortunate events outside of the control of the campaign, and those that the campaign can control. Romney had shot himself in the foot many times here, with the main stream media just now beginning to report his foul ups.
In other words, every campaign gets an unfortunate slam every once in a while, but all too often in Romney’s campaign the wounds are self-inflicted. This implies (unless the Romney campaign becomes the un-Romney campaign) that the current trend will continue, and Romney is going to lose in a landslide:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-19/romney-faces-challenges-amid-republican-criticism-after-stumbles
“A survey conducted Sept. 12-16, before the videotape from May surfaced, by the Pew Research Center put Obama ahead of Romney 51 percent to 43 percent among likely voters. That’s the largest advantage in September the survey has shown for any presidential nominee among likely voters since 1996, when President Bill Clinton led Republican challenger Bob Dole, 50 percent to 38 percent.”
Mark in mid-town
September 20th, 2012
7:19 am
Jay Bookman writes: “In the presidential race, Mitt Romney remains neck and neck with Barack Obama in both the Rasmussen and Gallup tracking polls, with most of Obama’s post-convention bounce eroding. Other recent polls, however, show Obama building a significant lead. The latest Pew poll puts Obama up eight points; the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll puts him up five.”
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Let’s face it. Romney has had a terrible couple of weeks, some of it manufactured by the corrupt liberal media, but plenty of it self-inflicted as well. Romney is a political stiff and he doesn’t seem to have gotten any better. That said, I would advise people to look to the internals of the polls that show Romney well behind. Those polls are clearly over-sampling Democrats relative to Republicans. If one adjusts for a more realistic party distribution , then at least as it pertains to the general election, Romney is not trailing by that much. It’s a close race. Romney still has a chance to turn it around, but he does have to step up his game and run a more competent campaign. Romney has a demonstrated history of being an incredibly competent executive and there is no reason to think he wouldn’t make a good president with those skills, but he’s displayed the political skills of a complete incompetent. It’s a shame because the country really does need new leadership.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:23 am
USinUK,
Good morning my friend.
I just wanted you to know I’ve been trying out your recipes…with a twist. Since I’m diabetic, I’ve been using sugar substitutes. They may not be as good as the “real thing”, but to me, they are simply marvelous, darling, simply marvelous!
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:25 am
“The corrupt liberal media”??? you mean like Our Lady of the Dolphins???
http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/09/18/time-for-an-intervention/
It’s time to admit the Romney campaign is an incompetent one. It’s not big, it’s not brave, it’s not thoughtfully tackling great issues. It’s always been too small for the moment. All the activists, party supporters and big donors should be pushing for change. People want to focus on who at the top is least constructive and most responsible. Fine, but Mitt Romney is no puppet: He chooses who to listen to. An intervention is in order. “Mitt, this isn’t working.”
Li'l Aynie
September 20th, 2012
7:25 am
For God’s sake, let’s stop supporting the liars and class warriors of the GOP! By repeating the Bush/Cheney policies over the next 4-8 years, we’ll end up like Greece: broke, divided, and blacklisted in the credit markets!
Instead, let’s strive to end up like the Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, and Singapore, with a high standard of living, top-rated global competitiveness in business, a seamless and complete social support network, and a long, happy life span. Another 4 years with Obama is a good start!
Pete
September 20th, 2012
7:25 am
Democrats are the stupidest people on earth. Internal polls show Romney up by at least three with most of these mainstream media polls being slanted by as much as 13 points for the Demorats. The majority is more anxious than in 2010 to vote out this idiot and I hope you keep this warm fuzzy feeling about November 6th. Romnay will kill Dumbo in the debates and yes the 53% are tired of paying for the welfare folks who haven’t worked a day in their damn lives and choose not to.. Democrats are worse than Al Qaeda as they are trying to destroy this country from within with a Socialist president that has been the most divisive in history. I have not heard from one person that is stupid enough to kill this country with at least 20 Trillion in debt if this idiot is voted in again. If you vote for Obama you are a traitor and should be treated as such!!!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:26 am
Peadawg
September 20th, 2012
6:50 am
And why not? That was simply a stupid thing to do and guaranteed to get the Veterans vote, huh?
Four GOP Congressmen who would rather play politics than do what’s right for our Soldiers. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:26 am
Normal – aw – thanks!! I did send you to the right place, though???
http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/
(making another batch of the pear and chocolate jam this weekend to take home with me)
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:28 am
Pete
September 20th, 2012
7:25 am
Pete,
You’re a hoot!
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:28 am
“Four GOP Congressmen who would rather play politics than do what’s right for our Soldiers. Stupid, stupid, stupid.”
meh – FOUR??? you mean FORTY … this bill should have passed unanimously – ANYone who voted against it should be excoriated.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:29 am
“Internal polls show Romney up by at least three with most of these mainstream media polls being slanted by as much as 13 points for the Demorats. ”
aw, bless …
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
7:29 am
EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME….Those Japanese villagers simply misunderstood me.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:29 am
USinUK,
Yep,
…and the way you described yourself gave me shivers…wink, wink!
Madmax
September 20th, 2012
7:30 am
Deborah
Some facts
Our national debt is now $16,043,000,000,000. Seems like it was just $10,000,000,000,000 just 4 years ago. That’s a 60% increase.
We spend $223,000,000,000 on debt financing at low rates. What happens if interest rates tick up a couple of points?
Our national unemployment rate is still at the 8+% nationally and we are not adding enough new jobs to solve the issue.
The presidents policies in the MidEast have blown up in his face.
Attacks on our troops from friendly trained Afghans have risen to over 50 a year from around 4 per year since our president took over.
Health care costs continue to rise and we still don’t know the true cost of Obamacare
Our dollar continues to be eroded with the easy money policies of print and borrow.
But he deserves another 4 years so we can get $22-25 trillion in debt?
So everyone but the 1% will be on foodstamps
So our unemployed will be 15 million
Time for a change – we can’t afford another 4 more years
independent thinker
September 20th, 2012
7:31 am
Republican Senators sent a message to veterans yesterday- you are not wanted by our party and are just a bunnch of losers and victims-drop dead. In a bill that was bipartisan and partly written by and sponsored by Republicans to create jobs for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan fiascoes (wars) the Republicans filibustered it and voted against bringing it to a vote. Same for a similar bill in the House that was sent to committee.
As the big dog said at the convention- Republicans in Congress get a big fat zero for job creation.
Thomas Heyward Jr
September 20th, 2012
7:32 am
Ha Ha.
I Hope obama DOES win.
That way………….he will do to the civil-liberty respecting Democrat party what………George W did to the small government,individual liberty-loving Republican Party.
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Destroy it……………….as decent Americans sigh with relief.
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And then the War criminals Obama and Bush can slither around/hide together from world justice.
.
Too rich.
.
lol
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:34 am
USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:28 am
You are right, of course, but I was talking mainly of Senators Boozeman, Burr, Johanns, and Toomey.
gb
September 20th, 2012
7:37 am
The Rich Lowry piece is good, but I have one quarrel with him. He mentions a “return to Country Club Republicanism.” When did they ever stray? Just because they patronize and pander to the teabaggers doesn’t mean they’ve given up their tee time.
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September 20th, 2012
7:41 am
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Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
7:41 am
Madmax and Pete and kristie and Melba…..
Bless your hearts!
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 20th, 2012
7:45 am
In Robme world Corporations get govt Subsides and the 47 % are called govt moochers.
Robert
September 20th, 2012
7:46 am
Romney is Israel’s “manchurian candidate” for them to hijack control of US foreign policy and for a war with Iran. Romney has been their “chosen one” for quite sometime and it is the reason he was a one term governor in MA and all the flip-flopping to become the Republican nominee. Zionist billionaires, like Sheldon Adelson, are pouring millions upon millions into his campaign. Romney’s advisors are the same Zionist neo-cons that fabricated the lies to justify the war in Iraq at Israel and AIPACS urging. Google “aipac iraq war” for more info then google “aipac iran war”. Sheldon Adelson is best friends with Israel PM Netanyahu and funds a newspaper in Israel that supports all of Netanyahu’s racist policies, including a war with Iran. Romney has already promised Bibi the US lead in a war with Iran and that is why Bibi has been meddling in US politics to try to get Romney elected. It turns out that Mitt and Bibi are good friends and have been for 36 years, long before either was involved in politics. What a strange coincidence that is or is it a coincidence? Bibi must be getting pretty upset with Romney tanking in the polls and with polls showing 70% of American Jews will be voting for Obama. Bibi has bitten the hand the hand of the President that has been feeding him for four years, so payback is fair play. I hope Obama forces Israel to go it alone on attacking Iran which will be difficult since the Israeli public doesn’t even support them doing it alone. I also hope that Obama will stop vetoing UN resolutions against Israel. A vote for Romney is a vote for war. Thank goodness the fat lady has begun singing.
Madmax
September 20th, 2012
7:47 am
Granny,
Have you got a spare 16 trillion you can give the president to erase the debt? How about 6 so he can deny raising the debt by 60% on his watch. Has he got a plan to get out of this? But you bindly support him. Why? Do you not have family that will inherit this mess?
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:51 am
“Romney is Israel’s “manchurian candidate” ”
more like Romney is Israel’s useful idiot.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
7:53 am
There is no single policy we have passed that has added as much to the debt, or that is projected to add as much to the debt in the future, as the Bush tax cuts, which Republicans passed in 2001 and 2003 and Obama and the Republicans extended in 2010. To my knowledge, all elected Republicans want to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. Democrats, by and large, want to end them for income over $250,000.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/28/republican-national-convention-the-one-graph-you-need-to-see-before-watching/
Really?
September 20th, 2012
7:54 am
@Pete
Sorry there is no antidote for drinking the Kool-Aid from talk radio. I’m afraid you are poisoned forever, but try calling Poison Control anyway. God bless your soul, as you will be completely brain dead soon.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
7:54 am
Madmax
You’re barking up the wrong tree big fella.
I understand how we got to where we were 4 years ago and how we got to where we are now.
Try and sell your snake oil to someone sans grey matter.
You are one sad angry man, and I feel for you.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
7:54 am
Hey cons, if your excuses run to “it’s all the media’s fault” and “all those polls but one are flawed”, you might be an idiot about to suffer a significant let-down.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:55 am
Madmax
September 20th, 2012
7:47 am
Madmax,
Don’t swoon…There is a way to reduce the deficit but the GOP won’t play. Cut Defense in half, remove all corporate (ag/oil/etc) subsidies, return to Clinton tax tables, and remove waste from the social service, providers and users. If the GOP was serious, there should be no problem, but they aren’t serious because they would hurt their masters.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
7:55 am
For MadMax, history started on January 20, 2013. Everything that came before was right out of The Matrix, invented by a massive machine creating an illusion for everyone to consume.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
7:58 am
Madmax,
One other thing…you remind me of an old bumper sticker I had. “Vote Republican, it’s easier than thinking”. Just sayin’…
Paul
September 20th, 2012
8:00 am
This campaign, and the preceeding few years, should be written up in grad school political science graduate program case studies about what happens when an ideological group on the margins of public opinion secures too much power in the political process.
Their party gains at the local level but loses the big prize because nationally, their vision is rejected.
The other point would be (Jay) “who Romney really is.” He may be that now. But it seems he wasn’t that way just a few years back. So when one suppresses one’s beliefs and parrots the beliefs of the gatekeepers too long, one loses one’s way and those constant repetitions take hold and corrode. Pretty soon you have a guy who wasn’t what he was, running on a platform he would have disavowed earlier, who too late realizes what happens when ‘to thine own self you’re not true.”
Mr_B
September 20th, 2012
8:01 am
Somebody please tell me that Pete at 7:25 is a lame attempt at parody.
curious
September 20th, 2012
8:03 am
Israel will lead to our downfall.
Any other Country falling all over itself for Israel?
Their lobby and our macho attitude is getting us in real trouble.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
8:04 am
Mr_B: I don’t detect anything more over-the-top than what someone like kayaker would write, so I don’t think it’s a parody. He didn’t mention God or Jesus as he rants about how Obama wants to take all his money. That’s usually the sign of parody, like Bill Orvis White does.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
8:05 am
Israel will lead to our downfall.
Only if we let neo-cons out from under the rock where they’re hiding in the Romney campaign advisor board…..
Joseph
September 20th, 2012
8:07 am
Why would they not like it Jay. Romney has pulled back even in the polls after many gave Oblama an undeserved bounce after his ridiculous convention… By the way will you trot out some tripe blaming Bush for the terror attack on the US consulate since a supposed terrorist released from Gitmo in 2007 was in on it… I hope so I can;t wait…
fair and balanced
September 20th, 2012
8:08 am
Life is good – Clinton makes up with Obama and gives a speech for the ages turning around the polls and then Jimmy Carter’s granson topedoes Romney with a direct hit discovering the secret donor tape. And today Kyle Wingfield admits the 47% of so called moochers who Romney disdains were parly created by conservative GOP legislation to buy votes and appease the little foks. And most GOP commentators say Romney is in deep sh-t. Life is good.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
8:11 am
Life is good.
Well, for everyone who doesn’t have a Romney/Ryan sign in their yard. Or wants to put Romney for President on their résumé. Those people are not feeling so good this morning watching their world slip slowly through their grasps.
But they’ll blame the candidate, or the media, or the pollsters, or… pretty much anyone but themselves.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
8:12 am
“But they’ll blame the candidate, or the media, or the pollsters, or… pretty much anyone but themselves”
I believe you meant to say, “they’ll blame the media … or the media … or the media … or pretty much anyone but the candidate and themselves.”
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
8:13 am
That damned conservative corporately owned liberal media.
Aren’t they just the bees knees.
curious
September 20th, 2012
8:14 am
“Only if we let neo-cons out from under the rock where they’re hiding in the Romney campaign advisor board…..”
We have too many of those neo-cons who will just happen to make billions out of this.
Their obession with getting it all for themselves is the underlying cause.
kawasaki kid
September 20th, 2012
8:16 am
I sure hope all of you watched Jon Stewart’s opening monolog last night. It was a doooozy!!! Those “two oil men in the White House” Nancy Pelosi spoke of are exactly why our economy has tanked after eight years of Republican guidance.
Thomas Heyward Jr
September 20th, 2012
8:16 am
“Only if we let neo-cons out from under the rock where they’re hiding in the Romney campaign advisor board…..”
.
They sure came out from under their rock for the DNC convention.
And cracked some whips.
.
LOL
DeborahinAthens
September 20th, 2012
8:16 am
Madman, honey, my health insurance has more than tripled in the past ten years. And now I have a $3000 deductible with higher co-pays. One reason I voted for Obama was the chance to get this mess under control. You cannot blame e rising cost of health care on Obama because, until 2014, most of the plan isn’t even in effect. The debt…agiain,one more time…look at the debt which must be paid….much of this has grown through many decades…Dems and Repugs alike are responsible for it. You cannot blame Obama for the majority of it. Just to pick a few pieces out of the pile…look at the part of the deficit cause by the Bush tax cuts, the two wars and Medicare Part D. You can’t extract those costs. They must be paid, but to blame Obama for them is ludicrous.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
8:17 am
“Aren’t they just the bees knees.”
mmmmmmmmmm … bees
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
8:18 am
Do bees have knees?
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
8:19 am
But GOP candidates all over the country are explicitly rejecting those remarks, running from them like Japanese villagers fleeing Godzilla.
Somebody must have been drinking the good coffee!!!
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:20 am
http://www.270towin.com
My coworker and I ran this map against the FiveThirtyEight Predictions, giving Romney every state that had less than a 70% chance of a projected Obama win. That gave Obama 275 to Romney’s 263.
There is very little hope for a Romney win. As though “hope” is something you can ascribe to such a man winning.
Cosby
September 20th, 2012
8:20 am
Still am unable to figure out why the main street media and folks lkie Jay go to extreme lenghts to protect Barry and slam Romney. Jay ignored the and defended the “you did not build that” but slams Romney when he told the truth. Jay slamed Romney and Bain Capital and amount of taxes paid or hidden abroad…but protects 47% who do not pay, pay limited and receive tax credits…how do you receive a credit if you do not owe anything – the moocher class votes Democratic…but what happens when the moocher class passes 50% and the remaining 50% decide not to work and pay taxes..then what..for the black..racism I know – who drool over Barry, have you realy ask yourself what Barry has done for you – your unemployment numbers are off the chart and has he provided any new opportunities – no – but he sure uses his dark color to take your vote..lets see…bailed out the auto companies – allowed GM to violate the bankruptcy laws, gave part ownership to the unions, gave Chrysler to Fiat, provided millions of dollars to green energy – those taht contributed to his campaign – failed to prosecute wall streeters as he has an interest in their well being, supported wall street occupants but called the TEA Party all kind of names, increased the number of unemployed from $11.6mm when he took office to $14.5mm, increased the Federal employment from $2.7mm to $2.8mm, the median household income decreased from $50.1k to $49.7k, People in povery increased from $39.8mm to $43.6mm, and the National Debt increased from $10.6 trillion to $14.1 which now may be $16.?? trillion, ignored the trouble in the middle east and blamed current riots on a video taht has been out for over 1 year..ype jay, we need another 4 years of this crap..keep throwing Romney under the bus and watch as Barry pushes the UAS off the cliff..
Tundra Dude
September 20th, 2012
8:21 am
Fox puts Romney down seven in Ohio, down five in Florida
I saw a list of 8-9 (?) blue states he’d have to win if he loses Ohio and Fla.
Ain’t happenin…..
I heard he’s already writing a new book: “Tax Avoidance For DUMMIES”
Williebkind
September 20th, 2012
8:22 am
fair and balanced
September 20th, 2012
8:08 am
How about those tapes and videos of Obama? How much do you know about them?
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
8:23 am
holy moses … I can’t believe Lowry actually said this, “How does this look in the real world? If a couple earning $35,000 with two kids has no income tax liability thanks to various exemptions, deductions and credits (the child tax credit has been especially important in removing families from the rolls), how much should we tax them to get them to shape up and fly right? How much do they have to fork over to the Internal Revenue Service to learn a lesson in basic civics?”
they’re going to throw him a towel party for sure …
straitroad
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
We’ll get a real good idea of who will be elected in about 3 weeks. I suspect Romney’s plan is to finish with a flurry of ads highlighting the current state of the economy. He needs to poll better in Ohio and Virginia. He is up in NH and CO surprisingly but I don’t put too much stock in those polls at this point. I’m interested to see how the 47% and “I’m for redistribution” releases along with the foreign policy failures play in the coming days.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
Republican messaging machine losing talking points at a rapid rate:
-Wealth envy – given in a Romney speech, immediately seen as stupid by most people who didn’t already live within the bubble, never used again
-Obama apologizing – worked for a while within the bubble, but then Romney had to go and use it in a midnight speech, smirking as he walked away. People now have heard the apology tour nonsense in the mainstream, and it too was rejected.
-47% comment – Again, mostly in the bubble. Now that kind of thinking is mainstream and it too was rejected by the majority of the public.
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
Well, somebody’s sheets came back from the minority run cleaners with some stains in them…
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
“Jay slamed Romney and Bain Capital and amount of taxes paid or hidden abroad…but protects 47% who do not pay, pay limited and receive tax credits…how do you receive a credit if you do not owe anything – the moocher class votes Democratic”
yep. someone seriously needs to go read the Lowry article …
Jm
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
November
gm
September 20th, 2012
8:25 am
What do you expect from a person who only goes on misinformed fox so he can get soft questions?
47% of people that dont pay taxes are southern states that vote rep, how can you insult people on taxes when you refuse to release your taxes? could you imagine if Obama refused to show his taxes while running for President?, the nut jobs of Hannnity, scum bag Rush Limbaugh would have been running a 24 hour cycle.
TN_Realist
September 20th, 2012
8:25 am
Up here in TN, with the exception of Nashville & Memphis, the state has gone and is totally red. But there are signs of cracking in the solid red wall due to, purely and simply, the Republican platform. A number of folks I’ve spoke with have taken the time to read and study the national positions taken by the Republican party and they coming away with the realization that the party of “Small Goverment” and “Family Values” is a complete mischaraterization of the ultimate goals of the Republican party.
The House may not turn in this election cycle but if the Republicans contrinue of their path of self destruction it is only a matter of time.
TiredOfIt
September 20th, 2012
8:26 am
To bad Romney can’t shed the disastrous tea party and run as the moderate he is. Trying to be something he isn’t is destroying his campaign.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
8:26 am
“Fox puts Romney down seven in Ohio, down five in Florida ”
lose Florida???
after dissing seniors and calling them shiftless??? (not to mention, choosing a Veep who wants to gut Medicare) … whodathunkit …
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:26 am
ROMNEY DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH
Get that through your thick bubble heads.
-47% of people not having federal income tax liability is NOT the same as 47% of voters.
-A good number of that amount vote REPUBLICAN, reliably, from Republican states. This is a well known FACT.
The only thing that TECHNICALLY gives him an air of truth is if you believe that he believes in something that is totally false.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
8:26 am
Cosby
“Extreme lengths to protect Barry”…..and people of sense scroll down
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:27 am
By the way, in a few electoral map scenarios in which I give Romney Virginia, Ohio, AND Florida, Obama still wins.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
8:27 am
Jm
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
November
Yep, and the Democrats will have the White House, the Senate, and…the House. Ain’t it grand?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
8:28 am
USinUK — I couldn’t believe it when I saw the Lowry piece this morning. I didn’t think that any con had the stones to call Romney’s behavior “country club Republicanism.”
That’s exactly what it is, of course, but our con friends and associates generally can’t seem to bring themselves to admit it.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
8:28 am
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:26 am
Yes again, see my first post. It’s in color too!
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:29 am
By the way, if anyone here says that Romney told the truth, you no longer get to tell me you never watch Fox News or listen to Rush. That is EXACTLY where this talking point came from.
Krystal'sBalls
September 20th, 2012
8:30 am
Question…
When will the loons lay off the “liberal/mainstream media” crap?? I try (as much as I can stomach it) to tune in to Fox periodically. I can see how people who consume it can become so angry, negative and hateful. That’s all that Fox pushes. I felt like I wanted to slit my wrists, figuratively speaking of course. First of all, their set looks like a high school media room – only a step above CurrentTV. Are there any production assistants, camera and boom people on the set when they are shooting? Just an eerie aura there. Is it just me??
Hey Fox…YOU ARE A TELEVISION NETWORK YOURSELF and has multiple media affiliates!!! You have your own voice and audience. Stop playing the “victim” all the time. I have never seen such an envious bunch of people, so concerned about what and HOW others report, which I don’t necessarily buy the “liberal media bias”. Bias swings all ways. I’m curious as to what they think the solution should be to curb this perceived “LMB”?? Maybe a little FAIRNESS DOCTRINE?? Uh oh…that would be the big bad government overreach that they whine about. That’s what they want; they are just too ideologically bound to say it. If not.. shut up and report the “news” and let the fair market work as you claim to love so much. News organizations are privately held by the way; just so you know.
Finally, what is UP with Michelle Malkin??!! You can get a good sense about the spirit of a person by simply looking into their eyes. It only takes for you to look into that chick’s eyes to know without a doubt that something is “off”, seriously.
gm
September 20th, 2012
8:30 am
What about the 47% who dont pay federal taxes, but pay payroll, sales, state, local taxes?
The right wing nut jobs are so filled with hate for Obama they dont even know when they have been insulted, If Obama had of made these types of statements, he would have lost his base, no matter what, fox no news keep there low information viewers, fillled with hate to over look anything.
sheepdawg
September 20th, 2012
8:32 am
Pete, there’s another blog on this site for you folks. Kyle writes it, he voted for Newt. You’ll fit in much better there.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:33 am
In other news:
Happy Anniversary DADT Repeal!
Topics Announced for First Obama-Romney Debate
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
8:33 am
GOP STRATEGISTS
That is this election cycles biggest oxymoron.
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
8:34 am
‘That is EXACTLY where this talking point came from.’
I respectfully disagree. The sentiment expressed by Romney has been repeated in many variations on this blog over the years (sometimes in blatant racist terms – See Cosby…).
There are those (yes, even those on some form of gov’t assistance) that see others (also on some form of gov’t assistance) as ‘lesser citizens, freeloaders, Obama supporters.’
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:34 am
More proof Romney is losing the argument: He is now trying to say HE is better for the poor and that his campaign is all about “the 100%.” Oh and by the way, despite my earlier comments, Obama’s the REAL divisive one. Look over there! *smoke bomb*
Alphare
September 20th, 2012
8:36 am
The last few elections I observed tell me the poll leaders 2-month ahead of the election all end up as president.
Jay, is that what you’ve seen?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
8:37 am
Adam — “By the way, in a few electoral map scenarios in which I give Romney Virginia, Ohio, AND Florida, Obama still wins.”
By my figures, even if Romney takes those three states, he can still lose if he fails to carry a medium-sized state like NC, or even two smaller states like IA and NV.
Romney pretty much has to run the table on all the swing states, and that’s extremely unlikely to happen.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:39 am
Those polls are clearly over-sampling Democrats relative to Republicans.
http://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/246381765537705984
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:39 am
Also NDAA provisions are being challenged in court, and have already been struck down by a lower court and an appeals court.
http://www.mintpress.net/federal-judge-permanently-strikes-down-ndaa-provision-upholds-previous-rulings/
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
8:40 am
USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
8:24 am
Would you link that article for me please?
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:40 am
JHM: Each scenario of mine gives NC to Romney. I think it’s safe to say NC is going Romney.
Alphare
September 20th, 2012
8:40 am
I guess Al Gore was the exception, I kinda remember he was in the lead in the poll and ended up losing to Bush, forced by the supreme court.
Gale
September 20th, 2012
8:41 am
Before we get all excited about the Dems controlling both houses of Congress, remember they rarely agree with one another, unlike the Reps who observe a rigid party line. I think the biggest problems the GOP has is that they discourage individuality. That, imo, is why they have not presented an acceptable (to the public) Presidential candidate on many tears.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
8:41 am
The media, Bookman included, would not know a Bozo gaff if it was fed to them with a fork and knife. Yesterday, Bookman tries to convince us that Holder is not complicit in the Fast and Furious fiasco. Now he tries to convince us that just because the media says so, Bozo is up in the polls in swing states. The media wouldn’t criticize this clown if he was a child molester. Bozo can do no wrong. Romney can do no right. And the pathetic part of this whole scenario is that supposedly intelligent people believe this bu** sh*t. Once again….. when the dust settles and all the votes are counted,,,, Romney 320 electoral votes…… Bozo 218. Count on it.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:42 am
My crazy-ass theory for the week:
Romney is an INFILTRATOR! He is throwing the game ON PURPOSE. Wake up! Picking Paul Ryan? Pandering to the crazies? No tack to the center? Outright lies? Smirking while criticizing Obama for the middle east… He doesn’t WANT to win. He is happy because he is losing and making the faithful crazy with his supposed “stupidity.”
He has played you all for fools!!!
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:43 am
Lord Help Us: I respectfully disagree. The sentiment expressed by Romney has been repeated in many variations on this blog over the years (sometimes in blatant racist terms – See Cosby…).
I didn’t mean it’s where the 47% idea came from. It’s where the “Romney told the truth” BS came from. Anyone who says “Romney told the truth!” is either a dittohead or repeating Fox News.
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
8:44 am
71 – your world is not tethered to reality…
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:45 am
kayaker: when the dust settles and all the votes are counted,,,, Romney 320 electoral votes…… Bozo 218. Count on it.
Care to wager $100 on a Romney win? I’ll wager $100 against that for an Obama win. I won’t even hold you to your exact electoral college counts. But if you like I’ll wager $1000 that you’re wrong.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
8:46 am
Jay, as a public service, should we post the location where the planes will be available for boarding for those cons who have said they will be leaving the country. Rush will be flying one of the planes I understand.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
8:46 am
Wilbur- The media is in overdrive to keep anything negative from Obama and to work as hard as they can to position Romney negatively. It’s now an all out push, no pretense, just partisanship.”
Well said. If obama was actually a good president, they wouldn’t have to work 24/7 to try and prove to us what a bad guy Romney is. Anything to take the focus off obama’s record.
Vote obama: You were dumb enough to fall for it last time!
mm
September 20th, 2012
8:47 am
Romney only stated what the GOP and their talking heads have been saying for years.
And now Americans have finally caught on. They’ve also realized that the GOP was blocking all progress to repairing the economy.
Gale
September 20th, 2012
8:47 am
Adam, “fools” For what reason?
Kayaker, “Bozo” and I quit reading. While I may think of some politician with a derogatory name, (I remember thinking Bonzo with Reagan.) it does not convince me to listen to your point of view when you use school yard name calling as part of your discussion.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
8:47 am
K 71
Bless your heart.
You really are a person of HOPE.
Peadawg
September 20th, 2012
8:48 am
“Romney can do no right.”
Hey! We agree on something.
TiredOfIt
September 20th, 2012
8:49 am
“He has played you all for fools!!!”
++
Sort of like Clint Eastwood at the Republican convention.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 20th, 2012
8:49 am
More poll analysis, we haven’t even had the debates yet.
Georgia on my mind...
September 20th, 2012
8:50 am
Off topic but,
There were several on this blog that insisted that Eric Holder should be jailed…wonder how they feel now?
‘Fast and Furious’ Probe Clears Holder, Faults ATF and Justice
Operation “Fast and Furious,” the controversial undercover operation that allowed U.S. guns to be walked into Mexico, was a “risky strategy” that did not “adequately take into account the significant danger to public safety that it created.”
That was the conclusion today from the Office of the Inspector General, Department of Justice, after an investigation that spanned more than a year and a half.
The OIG investigation found that Attorney General Eric Holder was not aware of the strategy and tactics used in “Fast and Furious,” and turned up no evidence that Holder tried to cover up the operation, or mislead Congress about it. Holder was held in contempt of Congress earlier this year for allegedly withholding documents about DOJ’s “Fast and Furious” investigation from congressional investigators.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/fast-furious-probe-clears-holder-faults-atf-justice/story?id=17274903
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
8:52 am
adam- More proof Romney is losing the argument: He is now trying to say HE is better for the poor and that his campaign is all about “the 100%.”
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life.
Vote obama: I got fish! Who needs more fish?
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 20th, 2012
8:54 am
Adam-”By the way, in a few electoral map scenarios in which I give Romney Virginia, Ohio, AND Florida, Obama still wins”
Thank you Dick Morris.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:55 am
The media is in overdrive to keep anything negative from Obama
SURVEY SAAAAAYYYYYSS! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/pew-study-obama-romney-news-coverage-highly-negative_n_1824634.html
72% negative for Obama. 71% negative for Romney.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
8:55 am
So, now that Broadway Bozo is finished hob knobbing with some rapper and his wife, appearing on Letterman and the Voice or the View, whatever, and he will definitely meet with that Muslim Brotherhood thug from Egypt that wants the Shiek released…… but he doesn’t have time in his busy schedule to meet with our strongest ally in the ME. We are about to take sides in the biggest war that the ME has produced since the Jews took Sinai and Bozo is out campaigning and raising money. BTW, how in the hell can the Democrats criticize Romney for his wealth when Bozo attends a 40K/plate fundraising dinner with a bunch of gazillionaires? Damn, the hypocrisy in this is just astounding.
JayLover
September 20th, 2012
8:56 am
Unhappy Americans… you know with the real unemployment at 11.xx% and 6 million Americans who will have NO healthcare AND a new tax to pay. But hey, Obama is great and the world loves him.
Nothing like a true leader to save us from all of this.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:56 am
JKL2: Vote obama: I got fish! Who needs more fish?
Vote Romney, and every man who is too stupid or lazy to have already learned how to fish not only won’t get any fish, but will be denied any chance at learning how to catch them.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
8:56 am
GA on my mind- There were several on this blog that insisted that Eric Holder should be jailed…wonder how they feel now?
Eric Holder is a complete joke and would have been fired years ago by any self-respecting administration. I wouldn’t hire the man to be a crossing guard. If he wasn’t guilty, this proves he is totally incompetent.
The Terry family and hundreds of Mexicans will not be joining in your victory celebration…
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:57 am
kayaker: Wager. You in or you out?
Ronald Reagan Parkway
September 20th, 2012
8:57 am
Obama wins in November…case closed!!
rightwing troll
September 20th, 2012
8:57 am
Regardless of the wingnut attempts to augment reality, people are realizing they ARE better off than they were 4 years ago, and that Mittens wants to return them to where they were back then…
alittlecommonsense
September 20th, 2012
8:57 am
There has been an all out media blitz to take down Romney over the last couple of weeks. I think the democratic convention really rallied the troops in the mainstream media. The supposedly impartial reporters are all in for Obama and it’s working. Maybe Romney can get a bounce with the debates when he gets a chance to go directly to the people without the media filter. If not, I guess we have four more years of extreme spending and debt piling up for our children. I’m afraid this country won’t be a very pleasant place in twenty years if we don’t ratchet the government spending down.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
8:57 am
Sure I got fish and bread, but it you want to eat, over there by the boat we are teaching fishing. Only $19.99… — Jesus to the masses:
Jose
September 20th, 2012
8:58 am
alphare
get your facts straight………….. the SCOTUS did not give the election to Bush………. they ruled that the state of florida could not in the absence of a set criteria MAKE LAW AFTER an election……….. in other words they could not make new recount procedures after the election…….. they must follow the laws that were set in place……………
the ironic thing is that Gore only wanted recounts in those 5 South Florida counties that are heavily Democratic………….. when they started changing the law for the recount is when it became sticky………. if he would have asked for a STATEWIDE RECOUNT immediately all the ballots would have to be rerun through the counters……….. this is significant because the margin of error on those machines could have easily GIVEN GORE MORE VOTES on that recount……….. but he didnt and they went to the HAND/EYE recount which sent it to the SCOTUS
but an even more moot point is that is he had carried his own state he would have won or if even New Hampshire which went Bush in a DEMOCRATIC NORTHEAST
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:58 am
Unhappy Americans… you know with the real unemployment at 11.xx% and 6 million Americans who will have NO healthcare AND a new tax to pay.
Romney’s argument: “Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them; we will do more of them; we will do them better; and it won’t cost anybody anything.”
ylojkt
September 20th, 2012
8:59 am
Robert – they’re both in the pockets of the Israelis. If you missed the news yesterday, we attacked Iran’s power grid to shut their nuclear plants down – http://news.yahoo.com/sabotaging-iran-nukes-084500157–politics.html
Also, for everyone claiming Obama really doesn’t like the “bad” parts of the NDAA, his administration is fighting to reverse a court decision that they are unconstitutional. Our only hope is third party, so please pick someone besides these two clowns to vote for, sending a message is about all we can do without having an active revolution.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
8:59 am
Adam, 8:57,
Save your money, Adam. I hate to take candy from a baby.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
8:59 am
JKL2: If he wasn’t guilty, this proves he is totally incompetent.
Oh really?
Do you know where your daughter is?
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
9:00 am
President Obama actually exhibits much more of the Republican conservatism from the past than many are willing to acknowledge while those people like Mitt are more oriented toward the new age Ayn Rand brand of Republican.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:00 am
kayaker: Save your money, Adam. I hate to take candy from a baby.
Put up or shut up. I’ll raise the wager to $500 if you like. And say that if ANYONE except Obama wins the Presidency for 2012 you get my $500. Whaddya say? You man enough?
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
9:01 am
adam- Vote Romney, and every man who is too stupid or lazy to have already learned how to fish not only won’t get any fish, but will be denied any chance at learning how to catch them.
epic fail. Romney is the one who want’s to get you a job, not a handout. Stop trying to project obama’s incompetence with employment onto someone who has actually created jobs before.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
9:01 am
Kayaker,
Chill dude…St. John’s Wort is your friend…take some…now…please.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:01 am
when the dust settles and all the votes are counted,,,, Romney 320 electoral votes……
To the poster who wanted to know if “Pete” was a parody posting: the above is parody gold. Learn to know the difference.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:02 am
kayaker: Or, how about this. $500 from me if you win, but only $100 from you if you lose. $500 if Romney or anyone except Obama wins in November for President, $100 from you if Obama wins instead.
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:02 am
jay
how come you keep claiming that Obama has not raised taxes on the middle class?
http://news.yahoo.com/tax-penalty-hit-nearly-6m-uninsured-people-194442599.html
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
9:03 am
adam- Do you know where your daughter is?
school. Not sure what that has to do with totally incompetant idiot.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:03 am
Hey Kayaker: you man enough to back your predictions with money? C’mon, a clean wager is on the table. You either believe your postings or you don’t. Personally, I don’t think you do. I think it’s all parody. What say you?
rightwing troll
September 20th, 2012
9:03 am
“Bozo can do no wrong. Romney can do no right. ”
At least you got one part of it correct.
bman
September 20th, 2012
9:04 am
Jobless Claims…misses again.
The drumbeat continues… http://m.cnbc.com/us_news/49100511/1
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:04 am
how come you keep claiming that Obama has not raised taxes on the middle class?
Hey, Jose, how come you’re ok with six million deadbeats not paying for their healthcare and causing your rates to rise faster than they should?
curious
September 20th, 2012
9:04 am
I’d wager nobody on this blog belongs to the 47% (moochers and not those paying nothing due to their earned benefits) or the 1% represented by Romney (even if a considerable number of Democrats are in that group).
It really boils down to;
Moochers or leeches living off other people’s money, or
Money grubbers trying to use any method possible to increase their price of the pie, even if they have to run over grandma to do it.
The rest of us are supporting both.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:04 am
Romney is the one who want’s to get you a job, not a handout. Stop trying to project obama’s incompetence with employment onto someone who has actually created jobs before.
Romney doesn’t want education for people so they can be competent enough for jobs. Romney doesn’t want any public jobs except the military. Romney says if you want to go to college you should borrow from your parents. He does not support every man having equal OPPORTUNITY. And equal opportunity means everyone gets an education, food, shelter, and all of the things necessary to make them have equal footing with their peers in the job market.
Republicans – Not For Equal Opportunity
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
9:05 am
Hey K-71 – I got your Sheik right here!
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:05 am
Jose: 6 million is less than 2% of the population, which is pretty much what I expected. And that tax isn’t in effect yet.
You libs
September 20th, 2012
9:06 am
JKL2
“Stop trying to project obama’s incompetence with employment onto someone who has actually created jobs before”
The Chinese can’t vote in an American election, though.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:06 am
I’d wager nobody on this blog belongs to the 47% (moochers and not those paying nothing due to their earned benefits) or the 1% represented by Romney (even if a considerable number of Democrats are in that group).
You’d lose the bet. We have a few business owners out here who are pretty successful at what they do and have a little time to kill during the day.
Ahem
September 20th, 2012
9:06 am
But something does seem to be going on out there.
Yes indeed, and what we have here is a slick, well orchestrated attempt to convince conservartives and likely republican voters that the race is over and Oblunda will be seated to rein over the destuction of America. Nothing short of Nazi era propaganda. But here’s the deal, it won’t work. Notwithstanding the MSM; the pundits and pollstars; and the handful of sycophants that live on the blogs, when the people have spoken and the votes are counted and the electoral college votes it will be Romney and Ryan that will have won the election.
Why? Because the economy is such that too many people are hurting and people will vote for their own households best interest and that is not a vote for the status quo.
Examples:
Georgia’s jobless rate stays at 9.2 percent in August
Weekly report of new unemployment benefits claims 382,000
Underemployed at 16.3 percent
Erosion of household wealth
lynnie gal
September 20th, 2012
9:06 am
What surprises me most is that Romney still seems to get over 40%. He should be at 4%, because that’s the slimy top of the wealth chain. Those are his peers who just love hearing about those unwashed slackers who don’t pay taxes. They fail to see the irony that they themselves don’t pay taxes because they have slick accountants and overseas investments that reduce their taxes, in some cases, to zero. When Romney disparages 47% of Americans as non-taxpayers when he won’t release his own tax records for fear that people will then know what they only now suspect–that he hasn’t paid income taxes–he should only be at 4%, not over 40%.The question isn’t why Romney is losing, but why is he still polling so high?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
9:06 am
K71 — “Once again….. when the dust settles and all the votes are counted,,,, Romney 320 electoral votes…… Bozo 218. Count on it.”
You got your numbers and your candidates swapped, pal.
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
9:06 am
I suspect many voters out there who are just getting by on their social security checks do not take kindly to someone like Mitt–a corporate raider that made his money by destroying other’s livlihoods–calling them the takers of government redistribution of wealth especially given that those very people paid into social security their entire lives and likely feel that they really are entitled to their own savings. Too bad we cannot see a hidden recording of Mitt bragging about how he dodged taxes with such things as Swiss bank accounts as well. Release those tax returns, Mitt.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
9:07 am
Adam, 9:02,
Ok, Adam, you’re on. $100 even money for the victory and for every electoral vote that Romney gets over 270, another dollar each. What say you?
Fedup
September 20th, 2012
9:08 am
The nuts are chasing shadowy gaffe by the Prez. Keep dreaming kids.
rightwing troll
September 20th, 2012
9:08 am
Normal, give it up… you saw the carnage after the SCOTUS ruling on ACA… Yakker and all his little angry klan buddies are just going to get angrier and angrier over the next 47 days and after Obama easily wins, their heads will begin to explode, kinda like the green aliens in Mars Attacks when grandma plays the yodeling music…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:09 am
Georgia’s jobless rate stays at 9.2 percent in August
You do know this state is run by Republicans AND that the unemployment rate is a full point higher than the average of the rest of country, right? But you want to blame this on… Obama??
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:09 am
Oh my, is this a DISTRACTION from jobs and the economy? Let’s find out by looking at statistics regarding both:
-23 straight months of job growth, totaling 3,415,000 in that 23 month period (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics)
-30 straight months of PRIVATE SECTOR job growth, totaling 4,627,000 in that 30 month period (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics)
-Job Creation Index rising steadily from -8 in April 2009 to 20 today (Source: Gallup Daily Tracking)
-Economic Confidence Index rising rapidly from -53 in August 2011 to -18 today (Source: Gallup Daily Tracking)
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:09 am
adam
so you are ok when a small portion of the population is taxed for being too poor to afford healthcare but not poor enough to get free healthcare
this shows the idiocy of BOTH PARTIES
a system that rewards staying poor and punishes those trying to get higher in life
GT
September 20th, 2012
9:10 am
What needs to be digested is Romney in his 47% “victims” has clandestinely included much of his own block of voters. Romney showed a curious indifference to the military in the convention speech and now call some of our veterans “victims”. The right is fine with their version of freeloaders but when collateral damage of a clouded vision starts taking their own friendly forces out for the betterment of this country the room grows silent. When grandma in Florida has to write her blue collar son in Atlanta to send money like a college girl dependent on family it takes the fun right out of being a loud aggressive Tea Partier. Like my dad use to say about college protesters in my day, “I control you son, you do that kind of stuff and I will cut you off.” The difference was I could get a job back then Grandma can’t so she is really less independent than a kid.
There is no way Romney can win these debates. He has put himself in impossible corners and is not tricky or quick enough to figure out how to retreat from these positions. His popularity is an all time low and as he tries to tap dance with Fred Astaire Obama he will step on his feet a dozen time. The 10,000 dollar bet, his income tax statements and his disdain for the common man and woman will be a neon sign. And his handlers allow this because they basically agree with it and the only way this man will win is to get the ugly truth out there, this man is white, Christian to a degree, and your standard bearer for hate and separation. He is your last boat out that is not concerned with the other half just your minority happiness. Good luck with that.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:10 am
Outstanding, Kayaker. I’m sure if you left that as an open bet for all the “libs” you like to disdain, you’d find a lot of people lining up on the other side of that bet. Go on! Do it! If you believe in your bet, take on anyone who wants the other side of it. You could clean up come November.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:10 am
kayaker: Ok, Adam, you’re on. $100 even money for the victory and for every electoral vote that Romney gets over 270, another dollar each. What say you?
Deal. I won’t even put the same onus on your side for electoral votes over 270 for Obama.
Now we just need to decide where the money will go.
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:11 am
adam
unemployment is 14.7%
both parties have sugar-coated stats by changing criteria
just like they removed food & energy from inflation #’s………. yet we eat and use energy everyday
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:12 am
so you are ok when a small portion of the population is taxed for being too poor to afford healthcare
No, and that is NOT what those 6 million represent. They represent people who will NOT be too poor to afford it.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:12 am
What needs to be digested is Romney in his 47% “victims” has clandestinely included much of his own block of voters.
Romney also needs to include himself. His taxes the past two years have included NO income tax or payroll tax. It’s been all capital gains taxes. He is the deadbeat he talks about.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:12 am
unemployment is 14.7%
No, unemployment AND underemployment is 14.7%, down from 16.1% last year and down from the peak of 17.2% in October 2009.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
9:13 am
Adam, 9:09,
All spin. How in the hell could Bozo “create” all those jobs and keep the unemployment rate at 8.2% or the last 43 months? You sound like Bookman….. telling only half the story. For every one of those “created” jobs, someone left the work force, has quit looking or is working in some kind of sh*t part time job just to get by. You call that recovery?
bman
September 20th, 2012
9:13 am
Adam .. .. You guys should agree to FedEx a check to Mister Bookman today.
Morality?
September 20th, 2012
9:14 am
SOCIALISM “CREEP”……….. over reaching FED gub’ment in to the private sector. Waste, Fraud, Abuse is the Obama Platform for “redistribution of the wealth” AKA legalized stealing. Fed debt increased under Obama by $6,000,000,000,000 + (that’s six trillion folks!) in FOUR short years under the Obama/Pelosi presidency – and it only took three hundred and thirty six years to get to ten trillion. Congrats Obama for “expediting” the Fed debt at warp speed. This is your greatest accomplishment and will be your legacy in history books – the greatest “redistribution of wealth in U.S. history. Obama/Pelosi ticket has the audacity to take claim for every job created in the private sector. Obama/Pelosi – you did NOT create that job. Taking in to consideration that the Obama/Pelosi ticket did not really create those jobs let’s play their theoretical game. How much is the 4,000,000 jobs they claim they created divided in to $6,000,000,000,000 + ? Then add on Obama/Pelosi ticket’s tripling the number of people transferred from the unemployment rolls to the disability rolls which by the Obama/Pelosi ticket’s philosophy are gub’ment created “jobs”. No where but the “fairy land” known as D.C. is going on disability considered a gub’ment created job. A VERY high price to pay for another “gub’ment” created job. Time for TERM LIMITS on Congress. Time for a BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. The Pelosi/Obama ticket wants to spend their way out of debt…… another failed SOCIALIST philosophy. Their knowledge of economics is somewhere between ZERO and minus oblivion. As an economist Obama makes a good class action suit trial lawyer…… he has never picked up an economics book in his life. As Samuel L. Jackson said in Ebony Magazine ” Obama ain’t got no G.D. plan to save America. voted for him ’cause he’s black.” Sam I appreciate your candor. Brain dead zombies for Obama following Obama over the cliff like lemmings following their leader to their doom.
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:15 am
so adam thinks people that lost their middle class jobs and are now working at mcdonalds for minumum wage are IMPROVEMENTS
i weep for the future
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:15 am
bman: I was thinking donations to the opposing party’s National Committee
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:15 am
Jose: so adam thinks people that lost their middle class jobs and are now working at mcdonalds for minumum wage are IMPROVEMENTS
None of those people will be required to pay the mandate tax.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
9:15 am
Debates may only move polls so much, but it may be enough
And as they say: the only poll that counts is in november
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
9:16 am
Adam, 9:12,
How about a good steak dinner at Bones with one of their really good cabernets. One of my favorite eateries. I would even drive from Macon.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:16 am
kayaker: You sound like Bookman….. telling only half the story
You say that as if you yourself would tell the whole story
curious
September 20th, 2012
9:17 am
MSM is a myth.
24/7 right wing talk radio (WSB, except for a couple shows) and Fox News (most watched).
It’s non-stop anti-Obama and it’s all about him being half black. The KKK would be proud.
I’m native Georgian, traveled all over this country and most of the world dealing with “Middle Class and Blue Collar workers”. I had quite a few beers with them during that time and feel confident there is an inherent distrust of a Black man being successful unless it’s in sports or entertainment.
As Bear Bryant said about the first Black Running back at Alabama “Look at that Indian run”.
bman
September 20th, 2012
9:17 am
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:15 am
bman: I was thinking donations to the opposing party’s National Committee
ah they both have enough $ – I would donate it to toys for Tots
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:17 am
unemployment is 14.7%
Somebody’s making up numbers and then comparing them wrong. What was this same “unemployment” number in January 2009? Certainly not 7.8% as has been cited by BLS, if you don’t believe their numbers. Couldn’t possibly be that, could it?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
9:17 am
rightwing troll
September 20th, 2012
9:08 am
You are correct, but I’m just trying to keep it friendly…
Julia
September 20th, 2012
9:18 am
it’s hot outside, blame Obama. it’s raining, blame Obama. i stubbed toe, blame Obama. if food prices are rising, it MIGHT have something to do with drought & extreme weather conditions. but sure, blame Obama. and gas prices..those rose under Dubya and have NOT come back down. how can Obama control OPEC? huh? but go on hating. I will go on look8ing upon some as mouth breathing inbred mutants.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:18 am
kayaker: I do not live in Georgia, so I will not be able to go to Bones. Unless the gift card lasts until the next DragonCon maybe
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:19 am
“create” all those jobs and keep the unemployment rate at 8.2% or the last 43 months?
But it hasn’t been at 8.2% for the last 43 months.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:20 am
I like the Toys for Tots idea as well. Be the right time to give them a little help.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
9:21 am
Adam, 9:18,
We’ll work something out. Where do you live?
Junior Samples
September 20th, 2012
9:22 am
i don’t know that i would be too giddy about all of this polling; most of these outfits have an agenda and it’s usually not honorable;
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:22 am
adam
i didn’t say they had to pay the mandate tax
****note that liberals are now calling obamacare a mandate tax!****
HEY ALL UNDEREMPLOYEDS…………. GREAT NEWS…………… we have no full time jobs for you……… but at least you dont have to pay a MANDATE TAX!
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
9:23 am
The events leading up to this Middle East melt down and Ambassador killing being covered up by the press is a sin. No 9/11 extra prep. President and his staff asleep at the wheel. Come to find out this Ambassador had a bad feeling feeling about an attack, and the guy was left virtually unguarded on 9/11 anniversary. Yuking it up with Letterman while snubbing the Leader of Israel. Arab Spring turned terrorist gone wild autumn…….The guy really is an amateur.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:23 am
Debates may only move polls so much, but it may be enough
Early voting starts soon in some places. The problem is that Romney is taking on the stench of a loser, and debate performance may not be enough to change that in time. Same with the supposed millions of ad dollars still undeployed. There’s not a lot of ad time left to buy in the swing states (fun fact: the stations there have to charge the candidates a discounted rates, but jack up the price to the PACs 2x to 3x.), and by mid-October, the last person who isn’t sick of them will be sick of them.
hiram
September 20th, 2012
9:24 am
Georgia isn’t a factor in the 2012 elections, and arguing with honey boo boos about national politics is a complete waste of time. Everyone knows that Georgia’s votes won’t factor into the outcome.
For those not familiar with this guy, he is the best in the business:
Silver’s final 2008 presidential election forecast accurately predicted the winner of 49 of the 50 states as well as the District of Columbia. He also correctly predicted the winners of every U.S. Senate race. The accuracy of his predictions won him further acclaim, including abroad, and added to his reputation as a leading political prognosticator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver
Chance of Winning – Now-cast Sept. 19
Barack Obama – 94.4%
Mitt Romney – 5.6%
Number of Seats in Senate
Democrats – 52
Republicans – 48
Chance of Majority
Democrats – 79%
Republicans – 21%
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
Morality?
September 20th, 2012
9:24 am
Time to get the tax system out of the hands of the lawyers/ politicians and back in the control of the citizens that pay their salaries. Time to simplify the tax system and remove loop holes, exemptions and deductions. Time to go to a Flat Tax -thus neutering Congress of their power to reward and punish the tax payers based on who votes for or against them and based on who sends them the most “contributions” AKA payoffs and kickbacks. Time for the citizens in the “private sector” to take back America.
Ham handed?
September 20th, 2012
9:24 am
I don’t have much of a dog in the Elephant/Jackass sweepstakes (Liberarian), but I’d prefer Mitt Romney’s “ham handed” approach to Libya and Egypt certainly were better than the WH and State Department reaction to 9/11 terrorist attacks by apologizing for alleged religious insensitivities. Are the people in charge of those two places either too ignorant to understand that the attacks (particularly in Benghazi) were coordinated (including apparently breach of security on Libyan front) or are they so spineless as to think someone attacking us requires an apology from us? Incompetence or just plain wimps, take your choice (if you consider those appealing choices).
The GOP is running a weak candidate, given. The Democrats are running a sitting President who easily rates in the bottom 5 to 10 of all Presidents we’ve ever had. Sad, often with tragic consequences, as we’ve seen.
bman
September 20th, 2012
9:24 am
Byte me…we do.a toys for Tots fundraiser every year. It’s one thing where too much is never enough
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:25 am
kayaker: I live in a nice townhouse.
I don’t think where I live is important enough to be discussed and then potentially later brought up as some sort of ad hom attack. Suffice it to say I’m a registered Republican, in the south, near a metro area but far enough away to be comfortable, and I work for big oil and have my own small business. This is all I care to divulge about me personally on this forum, plus or minus a few anecdotes I have told and will likely tell.
Erwin's cat
September 20th, 2012
9:25 am
Pats by 3
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:26 am
****note that liberals are now calling obamacare a mandate tax!****
Note that conservatives can’t call it unconstitutional.
OHHHH! BURRRNN!
UPHELD, BABY!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
9:26 am
RE Kayaker and bets
I lost a bet to him on the House in the 2010 cycle.
After repeated attempts on the blog to get his attention and find a way
to pay my debt to him (a steak dinner btw) I gave up chasing him.
Months later he called me a welcher and I had to go back through the old posts to link to my attempt to make good on our bet.
So….be careful…and be specific.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
9:27 am
Letterman — the new birther poutrage.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:27 am
certainly were better than the WH and State Department reaction to 9/11 terrorist attacks by apologizing for alleged religious insensitivities
More proof that some people just can’t keep up. And it’s not helping me have a more positive view of libertarians….
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:30 am
Granny: So….be careful…and be specific.
I have saved the link.
To be fair, I probably will NOT be spending much time on the Internet the day after the election… well maybe. I’ll be at work but I suspect that if I am cheerful there will be a lot of people who are NOT, so I will have to be more careful there lol.
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
9:30 am
Pats by 3
Crimson Tide by 23
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
9:30 am
But……………..He’s black…………He’s cool…………He’s far left…………He’s the smartest guy in the room..( no transcripts to back that up)……all while $4 gas……Lowest GDP in a long time….over 8% unemployment from day one ( really over 11% if you measure the work work when he took over) over 45 million on food stamps……Poverty level way up…….Real income down almost $5000 per year since he took over…..appeasement foreign policy crumbling daily…………………..And his only campaign battle cry is ” it was worse than we thought, I need more time”………Geez.
Morality?
September 20th, 2012
9:31 am
Obama will go down in history as hyper inflating the Fed debt warp speed. From $10 trillion to $16 + trillion in four short years. He is the leader of the the “Animal Farm”. Big Brother is watching.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:32 am
It’s one thing where too much is never enough
Post a link to the blog when you do it this year. Some kids really do get nothing except that for Christmas.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
9:33 am
Uh oh, I’m seeing football spreads in the spread. Can’t be a good sign for the cons.
Morality?
September 20th, 2012
9:34 am
Brain dead Zombies for Obama now staring in “Night of the Living Dead”. We all know that the dead vote democrat.
kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
9:35 am
Granny, 9:26,
You didn’t have to chase me anywhere. I told you to buy your new grandson something that he would like. Remember? I don’t welch on bets…. ever.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:35 am
Brain dead Zombies for Obama now staring in “Night of the Living Dead”. We all know that the dead vote democrat.
Eeeeeatttt braaaaaaaainss….. that’s why cons have none. Knew there was a logic reason.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:36 am
logic => logical
Morality?
September 20th, 2012
9:37 am
Pelosi/Obama ticket is occupying D.C. and they are “evolving” this country toward their dream – a Socialist nation under Pelosi/Obama…… bow and face Mecca.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
9:37 am
Hey Morality? When’s your first big American History chapter test? Shouldn’t you be studying? Come to think of it, shouldn’t you be in class?
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:38 am
liberals always deflect when they show their ignorance
and they also never take responsibility
they are like jake elwood
Jake: Oh, please, don’t kill us. Please, please don’t kill us. You know I love you baby. I wouldn’t leave ya. It wasn’t my fault.
Mystery Woman: You miserable slug! You think you can talk your way out of this? You betrayed me.
Jake: No I didn’t. Honest… I ran out of gas! I–I had a flat tire! I didn’t have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
9:38 am
Normal – 8:40 – sorry for the delay (blame it on the falafel) – the link is the article Jay links to above
bman
September 20th, 2012
9:39 am
Byteme .. .. There is no link. It’s sort of an in-house kinda thing.
Jay
September 20th, 2012
9:40 am
“Jake: No I didn’t. Honest… I ran out of gas! I–I had a flat tire! I didn’t have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!
I think he left out “It was the mainstream media! The pollsters! The voting fraud! The New Black Panthers!”
mm
September 20th, 2012
9:40 am
The cons are in denial today.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
9:40 am
Oh no…. another empty chair lynched in TX. Looks like cons across the nation are losing it which tracks what they are posting on this blog. I can’t imagine what is going on over at Kyle’s.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
9:41 am
I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
9:30 am
Please explain to me how that is all president Obama’s fault and what he can do about it without the help of Congress and Big Business?
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
9:41 am
Democrats can not like what they are seeing from the economy. Unemployment claims continue rising.
The Philly Fed is reporting that 20 states have negative outlooks for the next six months, suggestion a recession is on the way.
Major corporations are laying off tens of thousands by year end.
Georgia unemployment NOT improving.
And Democratic leaderships is not even discussing these issues.
Perhaps the media can focus on polls for another 2 weeks. But then we will have the September jobs report. The conversation will change.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
9:42 am
Jay – 9:40
oooooooo … well played, sir!
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
9:42 am
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/09/20120920_states.png
Here’s a link on what the Philly Fed says about the outlook for states.
Jose
September 20th, 2012
9:43 am
jay
conservatives just IGNORE that there was a problem…………. such as not acknowledging that they built defecits during BUSH…….. they dont even make excuses
that is why the have $16 trillion in DEBT
you can defend ONE party but its the FAULT of TWO parties
one that makes excuses
and one that won’t admit mistakes
Jm
September 20th, 2012
9:43 am
I think there are no good answers to the healthcare problem as of now
Which stinks. We sure could use a solution
And obamacare isn’t one
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
9:44 am
K 71
Yes you did do that ….
After I proved that I had sought to pay you.
You’ll note I did not accuse YOU of welching.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:46 am
He’s the smartest guy in the room..( no transcripts to back that up)
Good grades != smart
Just fyi.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
9:47 am
USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
9:38 am
OK, thanks…read that one…I thought you had another, d’uh. I guess that’s what I get to have to get up at 0415 every morning…One of the Working Poor, I am
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:47 am
I think he left out “It was the mainstream media! The pollsters! The voting fraud! The New Black Panthers!”
GOP after election day: “THEY SAMPLED TOO MANY DEMOCRATS!”
curious
September 20th, 2012
9:48 am
Romney:
I paid a lot of taxes.. (no returns to back that up).
Goldie
September 20th, 2012
9:48 am
It ain’t over yet — but it’s great that the momentum is on the Dems’ side so far!
Mary Elizabeth
September 20th, 2012
9:49 am
From the Politico article, linked above: “Fear of the creation of a class of ‘takers’ can slide into disdain for people who are too poor — or have too many kids or are too old — to pay their damn taxes.”
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It is true America has produced a class of “takers,” but they fall at the top of the income bracket, not at the bottom. Using government to enhance one’s personal wealth is not ethical but it is done without shame, and allowing CEOs of corporations out-of-proportion millions of dollars in income while their lowly employees make only $12.70 an hour, on which to raise a family, is grossly inequitable, but it is done without care. The financial framework of America has been skewed to benefit those at the top, who ironically feel that THEY are the real victims. (See the Paul Krugman article, in the link below.)
Furthermore, if so-called “entitlements,” such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, are so unsustainable to our nation’s financial well-being, why was this nation doing so well financially, only a little over a decade ago, during Bill Clinton’s administration? Answer: Republican ideologues deliberately ran up the deficit in the 2000s in order to create a situation which would force a cut to these “government” programs, which they have furiously abhorred for decades, as the intense passion in Romney’s voice confirmed, when he spoke so disparagingly of “those people,” who benefit from those programs. He, and his ilk, wish to cut these programs out as much as possible so that millionaires and billionaires can pay fewer taxes because, afterall, they are are the real “victims” of these programs.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/nation-of-takers/?smid=fb-share
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:49 am
Unemployment claims continue rising.
If you call an overall steady slow downward trend over the past year a “continued rising” maybe….
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
9:50 am
Adam — “GOP after election day: “THEY SAMPLED TOO MANY DEMOCRATS!”
LAWL
Elwood
September 20th, 2012
9:50 am
Illinois Nazis.
atler8
September 20th, 2012
9:51 am
kristie,
I just came to this blog & saw your early on comment only a moment ago.
I challenge you to go to a nomnpartisan fact checking site and look up the gasoline price range that occurred under President Bush. You will find that it was at $1.46 per gallon when he was inaugurated & that it had risen to $4.15 per gallon by June 0f 2008.
After that point it collapsed into the basement as the nation fell deeply into economic distress & demand fell sharply.
So in citing & criticizing gas prices under President Obama, you have covered only part of the facts. Was the gas price rise under Bush of no consequence to you or anyone else just because you supported Bush? If so, then why do you criticize President Obama for the rise since he took office?
Corresponding with the rise in gas prices, you might look at how the stock market has risen by 70% since Obama took office.
2. You talked about the entitlements & “victims” in your post and said that Romney was right. Well, I am offended because you and Governor Romney have just lumped my now-deceased mother into that “victim” & entitlement group.
Let me tell you something kristie: My mother was not a victim but rather a simple woman with simple tastes & a very modest income consisting of her social security check, from a system which she paid into all of her working life, as well as small interest income from her tiny but conservatively held investments.
Do you begrudge her those social security checks as well as the checks that go to the high percentage of senior citizens who have incomes low enough that they do not meet the threshold set by tax law for paying federal income tax?
Do you also begrudge retired and or disabled veterans who receive pensions or medical benefits?
Are they part of the so-called “victims” entitlement class described by both you and Governor Romney?
Kristie, both you and the governor should be more careful about who it is that you slam as “victims”!
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
9:51 am
Adam, you better recheck your definitions…
Goldie
September 20th, 2012
9:52 am
I think also what’s going on is that Americans are seeing how the Con-controlled House members are sitting on their hands and jobs bills are getting voted down, all because they do not want to see Our President get any credit for moving America forward! The House will pay the price for doing nothing whatsoever re: the economy!
THE PENGUIN
September 20th, 2012
9:52 am
ILLINOIS SOCIALISTS
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
9:53 am
Here’s a little visual help Adam….
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/20120919_claims.png
Doggone/GA
September 20th, 2012
9:54 am
“The House will pay the price for doing nothing whatsoever re: the economy”
Actually, it was the Senate that stopped that jobs bill for Veterans, not the House
Goldie
September 20th, 2012
9:55 am
Obamacare is only the first step forward in getting our healthcare costs under control — lots still to be done and improvements to be made, but we are moving FORWARD!
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:55 am
The House will pay the price for doing nothing whatsoever re: the economy!
No, they won’t. Too much gerrymandering has created too many “safe” one-Party districts.
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 20th, 2012
9:55 am
You know things are bad when Bill O’Reilly tells Dick Morris to “button it”. Then, when given a chance to rebut O’Reillys remarks about Mitt Romney, Morris looked like he was going to cry.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
9:56 am
Jm: “I think there are no good answers to the healthcare problem as of now”
Absurd statement.
Everybody knows single-payer is the one and only solution – even its enemies.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:57 am
Everybody knows single-payer is the one and only solution – even its enemies.
And big business would get behind this, just because it’ll take that hassle off their hands. The only ones who would freak would be the marginal health insurance firms. The bigs ones would still figure out a way to get a piece of the pie.
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
9:57 am
“Everybody knows single-payer is the one and only solution – even its enemies.”
Think again….
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
9:57 am
“If you call an overall steady slow downward trend over the past year a “continued rising” maybe….”
up is the new down, donchaknow
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 20th, 2012
9:58 am
If Obama does win the election and the Dems take the majority in the house,, can I ask that the statment “I guess you forgot about the 2010 elections” be eliminated forever?
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
9:58 am
Off topic, but I gotta bring this up…
Yesterday, much was made about the missing 2 minutes of Romney’s tape. At the same time, we’ve heard all about the “redistribution” tape of Obama. How many of the same people who were debating on the missing 2 minutes of Romney’s tape and complaining about selective editing of video have said the same thing about the redistribution tape?
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19/13971913-in-rest-of-98-clip-obama-speaks-of-competition-and-the-marketplace?lite
Mitt Romney’s campaign this week has pounced on a 14-year-old clip of Obama speaking about “redistribution” in October 1998 at a conference in Chicago, in which the future president seems to extol the virtues of redistributing wealth.
Yet NBC News has obtained the entirety of the relevant remarks, which includes additional comments by Obama that weren’t included in the video circulated by Republicans. That omission features additional words of praise for “competition” and the “marketplace” by the then-state senator.
I guess it’s selective outrage in selective editing of selective videos.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
9:58 am
I just want to know when Mittens’ 47% speech is going to get this treatment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
9:58 am
can I ask that the statment “I guess you forgot about the 2010 elections” be eliminated forever?
Nevah fergit!!
curious
September 20th, 2012
9:59 am
Single payer; The only rational solution, but the Insurance industry and lobby are 100% opposed because they see their golden goose having its head chopped off.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
9:59 am
EJ Moosa: Checked: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/US-unemployment-claims-fell-last-week-to-382-000-3880098.php
Double Checked: http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ui/current.htm
Triple Checked: www. ows.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:00 am
“can I ask that the statment “I guess you forgot about the 2010 elections” be eliminated forever?”
I second that emotion
Adam
September 20th, 2012
10:01 am
EJ Moosa: You’re right, that visual WAS helpful. And it showed my statement as accurate. Despite the point at which you decided to put your arrow.
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
10:02 am
Adam, be serious.
Every week the previous week gets revised up so this week can be reported down.
“Because the ever data-massaging BLS was kind enough to revise last week’s print upward (for the 86th week in a row) from 382K to 385K”
Jack
September 20th, 2012
10:03 am
Seems Obama’s snake oil is having its desired effect on a number of people. But the effect won’t carry into the voting booth unless there are a lot more gullible people than I ever imagined.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
10:03 am
Oh no, 12 year old outsmarts many of the conservatives:
Dear Governor Romney,
I’d like to say congratulations on winning the republican nomination. But, I wish you stayed in Massachusetts. You’re plan for America isn’t what we need, and would hurt us more than it would help.
First, repealing Obama care and other health plans he’s put in place have helped families across America, including mine. I live in a middle class family, and two years ago my little sister; Kennedy was denied insurance because of her pre-existing condition. This was a huge emotional stress and financial burden on my entire family. Under Obama Care, insurance companies can no longer deny Kennedy and kids like her, the coverage they need and deserve. Because of Obama care my little sister was able to have the several surgeries she needed that helped save her life. Once the President was elected he put Obama Care into action, just like he promised and made it so that you could get insurance with pre-existing conditions. This has made a direct impact on my family. My family is with out a doubt better off now, than we were four years ago!
It is to my understanding that you stated that you were going to repeal Obama Care, including the part I have mentioned, which will take away the insurance we have and need for my sister Kennedy. Why do you think she doesn’t deserve health care? Also, when you were interviewed on “Meet the Press”, you stated that you would NOT repeal this part of Obama Care, but then your campaign backpedalled and on the “Tonight show with Jay Leno”, you said that you WOULD repeal this.
Also, you’re domestic plans (birth control, gay rights etc.) are horrible! Women should get to manage their own health, and if you wonder why you’re not appealing to many women voters, rethink your birth control and women’s’ rights plans. And people should be able to marry whom they want. We built this country so people could have freedom, and not have religious beliefs control them to that length. This country was in no way built on any religion, so we should not create laws that repress the American people in a religious way and hurt our most vulnerable.
Sincerely,
Jackson Ripley, age 12
And he did it without the childish insults used by many of the anti-Obama posters here.
EJ Moosa
September 20th, 2012
10:05 am
Adam, your statement is not accurate. It’s wrong. A general rise in weekly claims from the 350s to the 380’s is not going down.
And I did not make the chart nor supply the arrow…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/initial-claims-print-so-bad-it-actually-good-market-sees-it-bad
EVE
September 20th, 2012
10:05 am
SINGLE PAYER……………..
Canada, Australia, Taiwan, and the United Kingdom have single-payer health insurance programs.
and because of it they LEAD THE WORLD in economic opportunity
joe
September 20th, 2012
10:07 am
Americans cannot like what they are seeing…out of Barry the magnificent. Watch the news over the next few days…Pakistan is next on the block. Pray for our ambassador and staff. Obama won’t do anything…he is truly the most pathetic president we’ve ever had and it amazes me blind liberals like bookman will say/write anything to pump up this idiot. You all are pathetic!
Goldie
September 20th, 2012
10:08 am
“Single payer” — I agree, curious — we’ll always have an expensive system as long as the insurance companies continue to reap their profit$ on the backs of Americans’ healthcare!
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 20th, 2012
10:08 am
joe – “You all are pathetic!”
Don’t worry Joe, you guys will have another shot in 2016.
lefty_316
September 20th, 2012
10:10 am
It’s no suprise that Obama is winning, and will win this November, in Virginia and Ohio. Those are the states, along with Texas, that have enacted the harshest restrictions on women’s right of choice in the nation. Women are incredibly angry, and rightly so, over this senselesst government intervention into their personal lives. They are going to take it out on the entire GOP this November, and Romney will be an incidental victim of their wrath.
The democratic party has traditionally been the party affiliated with radicals. That was certainly the case in the 60s – the Weathermen, Students for a Democratic Society, the rest of the New Left. But now it is the GOP that is the party of radicals – hostility to science, birth control, comprehensive sex education, intelligence, etc. And that is NOT conservatism.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:11 am
EJ – weekly numbers are volatile – not to mention, don’t include the number of people who actually GET new jobs
that’s why you follow the net employment numbers at the beginning of the month, not the weekly.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:11 am
Don’t worry Joe, you guys will have another shot in 2016
Not if they don’t fix their TP problem.
The Leg Lamp is a "Major Award".....
September 20th, 2012
10:12 am
I’ve been hit and miss this year as I’ve had the unique experience of doing some mission/charitable work in the US and overseas. This will be my last day here for at least 4 weeks so I thought I’d look one more time at the political news between two contrasting organizations, CNN and Fox News. Below is the list of political links listed on each website:
FOX NEWS:
Romney Vows to Repeal ObamaCare
Jobless Claims Fall to 382,000
FOX NEWS POLL: Obama Leads in 3 Battleground States
Pawlenty Resigns From Romney Campaign Role to Lobby
Romney: I’m for ‘the 100 Percent’
CNN NEWS:
Focus on Florida as campaign rolls on
Opinion: Romney, we pay plenty
Romney is asked: You’re not Latino?
47% remark: Mistake or truth?
Poll: Voters react to Romney tapes
Opinion: Real conservatives apologize
Ticker: Comedian doesn’t ‘hate’ Romney
Old Obama video featured in GOP ad
Fox is often disparaged by the left but I ask, which list of “news” seems to be more objective, Fox or CNN?
Among other things, Fox mentions the jobless claims falling and that Obama leads in 3 battleground states.
CNN is pretty much limited to hits on Romney.
I believe Fox is more “fair and balanced” but of course others may disagree.
I will try and stay informed on the political front as best I can but will certainly be back in time to vote. Hope all of you have a great 4 weeks.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:12 am
“Obama won’t do anything”
I’ll play … what exactly is he supposed to do??
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:17 am
Our President can’t change congress and their agenda to make him a one termer.
Our President can’t change the gop.
The gop senators are all on the senate floor attacking our President.
A disgusting and desperate gop.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:17 am
I’ll play … what exactly is he supposed to do??
Pass an anti-women “jobs bill”, like the House keeps doing?
Regnad Kcin
September 20th, 2012
10:18 am
” a Socialist nation under Pelosi/Obama…… bow and face Mecca.”
Apparently cons think socialists are Moslem? What the?
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
10:18 am
A Gallup poll out today on voter enthusiasm could be the worst news of the week for Republicans. Democratic voter enthusiasm is up 19 points from June, is now at 68% and now exceeds that of Republicans.
Democrats smell meat, as in Meat Romney.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
September 20th, 2012
10:19 am
Americans cannot like what they are seeing…out of Barry the magnificent. Watch the news over the next few days…Pakistan is next on the block. Pray for our ambassador and staff. Obama won’t do anything…he is truly the most pathetic president we’ve ever had and it amazes me blind liberals like bookman will say/write anything to pump up this idiot. You all are pathetic!
This is what we are up against. This is why we are winning.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:19 am
Byte – well, that’ll appease al quaeda!
Jose
September 20th, 2012
10:20 am
those crazy Germans……… engineering a better system than either DEMS or REPS can come up with
Healthcare in GermanyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Germany has a universal multi-payer health care system with two main types of health insurance: “Law-enforced health insurance” (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) known as sickness funds and “Private” (Private Krankenversicherung).[1][2][3]
Compulsory insurance applies to those below a set income level and is provided through private non-profit “sickness funds” at common rates for all members, and is paid for with joint employer-employee contributions. Provider compensation rates are negotiated in complex corporatist social bargaining among specified autonomously organized interest groups (e.g. physicians’ associations) at the level of federal states (Länder). The sickness funds are mandated to provide a wide range of coverages and cannot refuse membership or otherwise discriminate on an actuarial basis. Small numbers of persons are covered by tax-funded government employee insurance or social welfare insurance. Persons with incomes above the prescribed compulsory insurance level may opt into the sickness fund system, which a majority do, or purchase private insurance. Private supplementary insurance to the sickness funds of various sorts is available.
In 2005, Germany spent 10.7% of GDP on health care, or US$3,628 per capita. According to the World Health Organization, Germany’s health care system was 77% government-funded and 23% privately funded as of 2004[4]. In 2004 Germany ranked thirtieth in the world in life expectancy (78 years for men). It had a very low infant mortality rate (4.7 per 1,000 live births), and it was tied for eighth place in the number of practicing physicians, at per 1,000 people (3.3). In 2001 total spending on health amounted to 10.8 percent of gross domestic product
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
10:21 am
‘what exactly is he supposed to do??’
Lower taxes…and raise defense spending.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:21 am
Pass the Cheesy Grits … is that you, Bosch???
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:22 am
Kyle
9/20/2008: Obama up 2.4
9/20/2012: Obama up 3.3
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_vs_romney_compared_to_obama_vs_mccain.html
Long way to go, but doesn’t look good if all else stays even. Of course we have the debates which could prove to be a game changer.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
September 20th, 2012
10:22 am
Apparently cons think socialists are Moslem? What the?
LOL. Its just one of the things they parrot over and over.
For instance 37 percent of Republican Voters in Ohio dont think Obama was born in the US.
Again this is what we are up against. This is why we are winning.
When part of your argument against the other guy is based on lies.
Kenyan..Muslim…Birther..etc etc
Your already behind the 8 ball.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
10:23 am
EJ Moosa: A general rise in weekly claims from the 350s to the 380’s is not going down.
Your statement is correct here, and so is mine when I added the qualifier over the past year which I did on my very first statement on the subject
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
September 20th, 2012
10:24 am
Pass the Cheesy Grits … is that you, Bosch???
No
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
10:24 am
My last post was supposed to be for Wingfield’s blog, however it is still some interesting data for all to marinate on.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:25 am
Byte – well, that’ll appease al quaeda!
You mean AQ in Kansas?
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:25 am
Now romney says is for the 100 %.
The IG is reporting to congress in case you are interested in the facts of fast and furious.
The gop still refuse to work with our President and still lie about redistribution with the help of corporate media.
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
10:27 am
‘GOP strategists cannot like what they’re seeing’
Except for the ones who could benefit from a Christy or Jeb Bush run in 2016…
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
10:28 am
“Your already behind the 8 ball.”
I think that will be Meat Romney’s next move, he needs to trade in his Etch-a-Sketch for a Magic 8 Ball. The Magic 8 Ball will give him much better advise than what he has been getting.
Krystal'sBalls
September 20th, 2012
10:29 am
@kayaker 71
September 20th, 2012
8:55 am
You might want to know that “some rapper and his wife” are worth about $500 MILLION!!! By the way they raised $4 MILLION last night. Pretty snazzy for a “thug” out of Brooklyn’s Marcy projects huh? By the way, how’s YOUR bank account lookin’??
atler8
September 20th, 2012
10:29 am
Pete,
I just saw your early on rant. Wow! Get off of the coffee or something. But, then you, just like kristie earlier here & Governor Romney last spring, went & lumped my deceased mother into that 47% “victims” entitlement group as if she had never paid into anything or worked a day in her life.
You never knew my mother so get real & smell the roses! You are so out of touch with reality that I feel sorry for you. Also, the level of venom in you post gives me pause as to what kind of person you really are. Your willy nilly branding people as “traitors” simply because they do not think like you is quite a stretch. Just pitiable, you are.
independent thinker
September 20th, 2012
10:30 am
And here the Repubs dismissed the white southern voters as being in their pocket and Willard goes off and insults all the white trailer trash who would vote for him after writing off the entire black vote. Now he gets torpedoed by two white southern ex-presidents and their kin. Maybe that will wake up the Repubs. in this state.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
10:30 am
Look, I would agree that single payer is not a bad solution IF
Our government had a decent track record of fiscal management
It doesn’t
Medicare is single payer and a disaster
So: no
Single payer isn’t the answer
Maybe on the state level it would be, but that’s it.
There are no good answers. Yet.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:32 am
Medicare is single payer and a disaster
Tell that to the millions of seniors who get treated by it. Just because you’re not using it and call it a “disaster” doesn’t mean you’re right. In fact, there’s good evidence that you’re completely wrong.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
10:32 am
Morality?
Morality?
Oh well, guess break was over.
Erwin's cat
September 20th, 2012
10:33 am
In fact, there’s good evidence that you’re completely wrong.
my 78 yr old father disagrees
barking frog
September 20th, 2012
10:34 am
“GOP strategists”.
Non existent.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
10:34 am
Jm
“Medicare is single payer and a disaster”
Not to any of those over 65 that I know…they have been great!
Now, Jm if you are having problems with YOUR medicare maybe there is a way we can help you.
Regnad Kcin
September 20th, 2012
10:34 am
“he is truly the most pathetic president we’ve ever had and it amazes me blind liberals like bookman will say/write anything to pump up this idiot. You all are pathetic”
Need a thesaurus, joe?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
10:35 am
my 78 yr old father disagrees
Well my 77 year old father and my 76 year old mother disagree with your father.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
10:35 am
It is universally accepted across the political mainstream of EVERY other advanced industrialized nation that there should be universal health care as a base line of any civilized nation.
Only here does the barbarism of health provider robber barroning and profiteering live on.
Talk about barbaric relics.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:40 am
Well my 77 year old father and my 76 year old mother disagree with your father.
And my 80-year-old mother would disagree with a cat any time.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
10:41 am
Surest sign that all this is really driving these people to the brink of madness:
They start opening their post by repeating the phrase used in the original post.
“Americans cannot like what they are seeing…out of Barry the magnificent. “
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:42 am
DannyX – given how spineless Mitt is, I think a Slinky is the most appropriate toy …
getalife
September 20th, 2012
10:43 am
jm thinks government is the w disaster.
No jm.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:44 am
Jay, the unhinged amongst us are losing steam. They know they’re losing this election and losing it badly. Time for new sheets to get their blood going.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
10:44 am
USinUK – thug with a uterus … and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:42 am
Regnad Kcin
September 20th, 2012
10:46 am
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
10:35 am
It is universally accepted across the political mainstream of EVERY other advanced industrialized nation that there should be universal health care as a base line of any civilized nation.
Only here does the barbarism of health provider robber barroning and profiteering live on.
Talk about barbaric relics.
^^^THIS
Oscar
September 20th, 2012
10:46 am
It’s interesting to see that the states that support Romney the strongest are the ones that have the most people paying no income tax, and are the states that receive more federal aid per dollar sent to Washington.
Looks like they want to bite the hand that feeds them. Can’t understand that. Must be a lesson in there somewhere.
The states with the worst economy support the party that wants to cut off support.
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
10:48 am
Fox and Friends Gretchen Carlson had a interview with a man that voted for Obama in 2008 but is now supporting Romney. This interview will be devastating to Obama. This could give new life to the Romney campaign. A game changer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=csyAZPVEmpo#!
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
10:48 am
It’s interesting to see that the states that support Romney the strongest are the ones that have the most people paying no income tax, and are the states that receive more federal aid per dollar sent to Washington.
It’s because their message of not relying on the government is aspirational and optimistic. They are voting to aspire to be not dependent on the government, knowing that the Republicans will cut off the poor trash in the trailer across the way and not them.
Regnad Kcin
September 20th, 2012
10:51 am
“It’s because their message of not relying on the government is aspirational and optimistic. They are voting to aspire to be not dependent on the government, knowing that the Republicans will cut off the poor trash in the trailer across the way and not them.”
So…they’re voting for Romney to provide “hope and change”?
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
10:51 am
Hope, Change, and Redistribution!!
Hope, Change, and Redistribution!!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
10:52 am
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
10:48 am
Damn, that was funny.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
10:52 am
You guys are delusional if you think Medicare is functioning well
He’ll even Obama and Jay know Medicare is a problem
And congress is so slow to fix problems that we can afford to create more problems
So no single payer
Sorry
larry
September 20th, 2012
10:52 am
The states with the worst economy support the party that wants to cut off support.
Its called saving us from ourselves political strategy.
Voting against their own interests to save ourselves, althought voting for the other guy with benefit them more. They do that to confuse people and pundits.
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
10:53 am
my 78 yr old father disagrees
Well my 77 year old father and my 76 year old mother disagree with your father.
And my 80-year-old mother would disagree with a cat any time.
And my 71 year old mother packs a .38 revolver and is well capable of putting it to good use. You don’t mess with grandma when she’s carrying that special bag on her shoulder.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 20th, 2012
10:54 am
“Hope, Change, and Redistribution!!”
aw, bless.
NoBodyYouKnow
September 20th, 2012
10:54 am
Beleive it because its true, O’bama is a great personality. People love the guy. The ones who are infatuated with him would vote for him no matter what. If you look back at his education, experiance, and beliefs there is no camparison to the same positives as Romney and Ryan. If you mention something he,s said that makes him look bad its, “he never said that”. And look what Bush left him with”? If aRepublican were in office now and the country was in the same negative way the media and O,bama supporters would be all over him. They say he’s created thousands of jobs, Where are they? In the area I live in the unemployment rate is over 9%. I looked up Romney’s biography, yes his family was wealthy. But so was F.D. R. and J.F.K.. He’s a Morman, I remember when J.F. K was running. He was Catholic. All one heard from his non-supporters was “whatever the POPE tells him to do, he’s gonna do.” That was so stupid. Many voters support a candidate because of his great personality and looks. No matter all the education, background, experiance, policy, he’s had. I along with many people are proud of our country because a black man was elected president. He could not have been elected on black votes alone. This shows the majority do not consider race any longer.As an independant I will vote for who ever I beleive is capable of doing the job. The information I’ve dug up on both candidates leans me toward Romney.
Michael
September 20th, 2012
10:54 am
I understand they are considering a change in the debate format. In the first two debates Mr Romney and President Obama will debate domestic policy and foreign policy.
For the third debate President Obama has conceded his time and Mr. Romney will debate against his positions in the first two debates.
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
10:56 am
I am hoping the Independents/Undecideds are fed up with:
- High Gas Prices
- Tax Increases on the Middle Class (Obamacare)
- Taking $716 Billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare
- $16 Trillion in Debt and growing
- 2 Downgrades on US Credit
- Miserable Foreign Policy
- Being told “You didn’t build that!”
- Being told “You can come along for the ride but you’ll have to ride in the back seat!”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:57 am
“Finally, electoral waves that build too early have a way of cresting and receding by the time Election Day comes around. So it ain’t over, not for a while yet.
But something does seem to be going on out there.”
TRANSLATION: Whistling in the dark.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
10:58 am
Steve Shamrock: “Hope, Change, and Redistribution!!”
Uh, your candidate’s out there defending redistribution as we speak.
“I mentioned my dad, my dad was born in Mexico of Americans parents living there. At age 5 or 6 there was revolution. They came back to the United States, and my dad had to get help, financial help, the government helped his family be able to get on their feet again. By the way, that’s the way America works, we have big hearts, we care for people who have needs. We help get them back. We help lift them up, but then we don’t make that a permanent lifestyle.”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mitt-romney-defends-income-redistribution-in-campaign-speech/
Jm
September 20th, 2012
10:58 am
My 10:52
Can’t afford, not “can afford”
Obviously
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
10:59 am
Headline: “US EMBASSY IN PAKISTAN UNDER SIEGE”
That’s not news. That’s like “Ten Murdered in Chicago Over Weekend”.
Don Abernethy
September 20th, 2012
10:59 am
If Democrats win it all I guess those of us who are strong conservative Christians can expect to be thrown to the lions because America will be just like Rome in the days of Nero.
skydog
September 20th, 2012
11:00 am
Jm – We pay for ALL uninsured healthcare NOW at emergency rooms. The money is being spent NOW.
A single payer plan would have to restructure companies like United Heath Care whose CEO made $123, 000,000 LAST year. He has made over $800,000,000 in the last 10 years. That is Roman Toga sh*t.
You libs
September 20th, 2012
11:00 am
Wanna talk about redistribution, Steve?
Where did the quality of life go for the middle class?
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
11:01 am
0311, would you give us your daily Rasmussen update?
USA Patriot
September 20th, 2012
11:01 am
JB – Interestingly with these polls I would expect Obama to have a much larger lead. Let’s see he’s got ABC, CBS, NBC, & PBS supporting him on the broadcast stations, then he’s got CNN & MSNBC on the cable networks supporting him, plus who knows how many newspapers (like the AJC) supporting him. Shouldn’t he be leading by 20+ points? I would say this is the real story with Obama having all this support and he only has a 5 – 8 point lead – he is really screwing up!
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Pawlenty quits as Mitt’s campaign co-chair to become a lobbyist. Heheheheheheheheh. There’s your sign cons. Even the boring rats are leaving.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:02 am
Hardee’s CEO hire the Mercer Group, the largest Healthcare consulting firm to tell them what Obamacare was going to do to their bottom line. The report came back that their cost would go from 12 million to 30 million, rendering the company basically unprofitable. You Loons keep buying the kool aide this Idiot is dishing out. The Hardee’s CEO said a 15-20% work force reduction would have to take place to stay in business…….And it’s gonna happen everywhere…….25% unemployment coming. You might live to say, ” Hell, greed was good”……Geez.
Verbal Kint
September 20th, 2012
11:02 am
Speaking of strategists..I’m amazed no one at the Obama campaign noticed the similarities here:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/flaghandprint.jpg
Nice gesture. Here’s the new Obama US Flag….kind of looks like the blood prints from embassy personal clinging to life while they are being dragged to their deaths!
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
11:04 am
I am hoping the Independents/Undecideds are fed up with:
…
- Being told “You didn’t build that!”
- Being told “You can come along for the ride but you’ll have to ride in the back seat!”
You can hope until your face turns blue, but I don’t recall Independents/Undecideds ever being told those things.
Just sayin’
It is the economy, stupid!
September 20th, 2012
11:04 am
The real question before us is what type of impact the 2012 elections will have on the ‘fiscal cliff” negotiations and the possibility of a second stimulus package. I think that the Republican economic recovery package has been exposed as a tax hike on the middle class and that the Ryan budget heavily relies on ” a miracle happens here” economic assumptions. Will the failure of the Republicans to capture the Presidency and the Senate make them more open to realistic negotiations with the Democrats on a “grand bargain” or will we witness a return to the 2010 thug politics? No one knows. Not even the Republicans.
JPS
September 20th, 2012
11:04 am
As much as I support Obama, I still think there is too much time before the election. It’s not like Obama is going to get to 60% support. At least 45% will always support Rpmney. Romney and team will get it together sooner later and Obama and team need to play offense instead of defense.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:05 am
“Nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office analysts say nearly six million, mostly in the middle class, will face tax penalty for not carrying medical coverage once Obama’s health care law is fully in place.”
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:06 am
Measurable unemployment will be at 20% at the end of the first year of a second Obama term. He hates business……….But he needs them…………Most of this country is clueless…. Hell, just print more money…..That’s the ticket!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:06 am
You should be fed up with gop obstruction and the costs of gop obstruction to our country but the no. They continue to give the gop a free pass.
yuzeyurbrane
September 20th, 2012
11:06 am
Jay, another excellent analysis. I personally think the biggest problems for Obama and the Democrats are that they don’t want to crest too soon and overconfidence. You should always run like you are behind.
Mr_B
September 20th, 2012
11:07 am
Keep: While I agree with almost every word Jackson’s letter, I’d have to say that my experience working with kids would make me doubt very much that he is the actual author.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
11:07 am
Jm
Sorry, but you aren’t very accurate.
Medicare works wonderfully well.
Are adjusments required to keep it that way for a few more decades….
Why of course Mr. Silly Pants.
Moderate Line
September 20th, 2012
11:09 am
In the presidential race, Mitt Romney remains neck and neck with Barack Obama in both the Rasmussen and Gallup tracking polls, with most of Obama’s post-convention bounce eroding. Other recent polls, however, show Obama building a significant lead. The latest Pew poll puts Obama up eight points; the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll puts him up five.
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The Gallup poll already shows Obama’s “bounce” disappearing. Gallup has Obama by 1. Also, all these polls are trying to predict turnout which means any poll within the margin of error is saying the end result is to close to call.
From my perspective most people are still locked in. The election will primarily be determined by turnout. High turnout Obama wins-low turnout Romney wins. Unless something very dramatic happens like a very weak jobs report.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
11:09 am
Don Abernethy
September 20th, 2012
10:59 am
If Democrats win it all I guess those of us who are strong conservative Christians can expect to be thrown to the lions because America will be just like Rome in the days of Nero.
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Lions like Rome? Waaaay to un-American.
You can be migrant pickers…..yes, that’s much better.
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:09 am
So, it is told that the fast food chain, Hardee’s , hired the Mercer group, the consulting and recruitiment firm. But yet , they are not on their client list.
City of Hamilton, Ohio
City of Hampton, Virginia
City of High Point, North Carolina
City of Houston, Texas
Henrico County, Virginia
Henry County, Georgia
Hillsborough County, Florida – Planning Commission;
Environmental Protection Commission
-I-
Why is that?
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
11:10 am
More than two-thirds of Americans are now living paycheck to paycheck
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/living-paycheck-to-paycheck_n_1899685.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003&ir=Politics
But don’t ever let em tell you capitalism hasn’t demonstrated its superiority as a system for distributing opportunity and justice better than all the others.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
11:10 am
Headline: “US EMBASSY IN PAKISTAN UNDER SIEGE”
Headline: “PAKISTAN ANTI-ISLAM FILM PROTEST ENDS IN ISLAMABAD”
I know you’re disappointed there aren’t any dead bodies but hey, maybe next time you’ll get some political fodder.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:10 am
I’ve never seen a President in my lifetime who’s answer to any problem was to ” give a speech about it”……And ALL will be well.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:11 am
Larry, the article came out today. Dig a little deeper.
Moderate Line
September 20th, 2012
11:13 am
skydog
September 20th, 2012
11:00 am
Jm – We pay for ALL uninsured healthcare NOW at emergency rooms. The money is being spent NOW.
A single payer plan would have to restructure companies like United Heath Care whose CEO made $123, 000,000 LAST year. He has made over $800,000,000 in the last 10 years. That is Roman Toga sh*t.
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It is nice to focus on the one person but a single payer would essential mean ALL the people at United Health Care would be laid off. Of course the government would have to hire people to oversee healthcare.
A single payer is essentially a HMO with a monopoly.
Jay
September 20th, 2012
11:13 am
Latest Rasmussen: Obama up two, up three with leaners, at 50 percent with leaners.
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:13 am
No, you give me the link please
I went on the Mercer group web site.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:14 am
“I know you’re disappointed there aren’t any dead bodies ………. ”
Yep ………. Islamic Radical dead bodies !
Where is Obama’s “Mr. Drone” ?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:14 am
Larry, go to Newsmax.com……It’s all there for you.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
11:15 am
Scout,
Did you get my apology yesterday? If not, I’ll post it again.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:15 am
GG 11:07
But the adjustments are only made at a time of crisis and even then not put on a permanently sustainable path
Sorry. Medicare is broken
Ryan reform is a permanent solution
It is far from perfect, but it does permanently fix the fiscal problem
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:18 am
Newsmax ?
I guess they will tell me why Hardee’s or any of the independent franchisee’s that own them aren’t listed on the Mercer groups’ website. Wont they ?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
11:19 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:14 am
“I know you’re disappointed there aren’t any dead bodies ………. ”
Yep ………. Islamic Radical dead bodies !
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God, it’s me again.
I had asked you several times previously to wrap your arms around Mr. Digits and send some of your light into his heart.
Can I change my mind on that?
Perhaps a lightning bolt in the bottom will awaken him to the evil
of his blood lust.
I leave Mr. Digits in your hands Lord, please don’t applaud.
Amen.
Oscar
September 20th, 2012
11:19 am
Redistribution of wealth. We could use a little. The US has the one of the five most unequal distributions of wealth of and industrial country. We have to largest disparity of income. We are among the last in industrial countries in upward mobility.
We have fallen behing in per cent of college graduates.
It’s time we looked at the economic and social structures in our country and made some changes. We will have to do that to retain our ranking as a top country in wealth and economic progress.
Countries without a process of upward mobility quickly become in trouble within from discontent and stress. We don’t want that to happen here.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:20 am
Oh goody
Chinese Audi dealer sales banner: “We Must Exterminate the Japanese”
Not drudgey spam
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:21 am
Larry, Same reasons the commie sites you read tell me the President is doing a good job I guess.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
11:21 am
Where is Obama’s “Mr. Drone” ?
Off killing terrorists, not members of the Pakistani police protecting our embassy.
Another disappointment for you.
They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
11:21 am
Tiberius
They were going to DIE and they both knew it from the start. And of course their is a difference, they originate in different places.
Ryan knew his would be dead once it hit the Senate, yet he wanted the PR for saying it passed the House even though he knew its fate.
Obama knew his budget wasn’t going anywhere, but he wanted the PR to say the Repubs didn’t work with him
It is crap and they both play it.
If it makes you feel better about yourself that Ryan’s budget passed the House, so be it. Rock on
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
11:21 am
Mr. B… While I would agree with most 12 year olds, there are exceptions. Remember that 14 yo who spoke at conservative conventions a few times (although he know acknowledges that he was full of crap at the time
)
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:22 am
Oscar……………Then why don’t you move somewhere else
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
11:22 am
Jm
Medicar is not broken for those who currently use it.
Plain and Simple.
Ryan reform is a slap in the face to American seniors.
Mr_B
September 20th, 2012
11:23 am
“Ryan reform is a permanent solution”
But then, a wrecking ball is a “permanent solution” for a leaky faucet.
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
11:23 am
More and more Republicans are losing faith in their party as they continue to uncover the hidden truth through the use of a hidden camera about what their party and its leadership really think of them.
To the Republican party leaders and their wealthy backers, you’re nothing but a bunch of leeches, taking what is not yours but theirs. But they need your vote so they can take what is rightfully theirs back from you leeches so they’re for you and they’ll tell you so, for now. Trust them. They’re doing it for your own good because they care so much for you. Pay no attention to a hidden camera that records the hidden truth. It’s a lie. Poor Republicans. Poor, poor Republicans.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:23 am
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
No ………. but there’s probably no need.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:24 am
China and Japan are fighting over oil.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
11:24 am
Tiberius is here? No wonder I heard someone stomping their feet and threatening to hold their breath with nonsense about Hardee’s going out of business because of alleged incremental impacts of Obamacare (because we all know that healthcare was not rising before Obama acted). And let’s remember, Romney has claimed the title as Grandfather to Obamacare.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:24 am
Oscar 11:19 education is the best tool for upward mobility when used wisely
The problem is education funding has not been used appropriately
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:24 am
Granny, and Obama is a slap in the face to all the folks paying for ALL of it
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:24 am
Oh boy, i read commie sites .
Please tell me what commie sites i read.
All i asked was why isn’t Hardee’s or any of their independent franchisee’s wasn’t on the Mercer’s group website.
And in return, i’m told i read commie sites.
Big facepalm.
skydog
September 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Moderate Line – It is nice to focus on the one person but a single payer would essential mean ALL the people at United Health Care would be laid off. Of course the government would have to hire people to oversee healthcare.
A single payer is essentially a HMO with a monopoly.
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What I have NOW at work with United Health Care is a monopoly. They only offer UHC at whatever rates they choose.
I`ll take my chances with a not for profit system. At least I could vote out any official who pays a CEO $128,000,000 a year. Right now I can do nothing, but pay the premiums.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Granny:
You conveniently left out “Obama’s Mr. Drone”.
Rquest prayer for him also as he likes to “assassinate” that way.
Moderate Line
September 20th, 2012
11:26 am
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
11:23 am
More and more Republicans are losing faith in their party as they continue to uncover the hidden truth through the use of a hidden camera about what their party and its leadership really think of them.
To the Republican party leaders and their wealthy backers, you’re nothing but a bunch of leeches, taking what is not yours but theirs. But they need your vote so they can take what is rightfully theirs back from you leeches so they’re for you and they’ll tell you so, for now. Trust them. They’re doing it for your own good because they care so much for you. Pay no attention to a hidden camera that records the hidden truth. It’s a lie. Poor Republicans. Poor, poor Republicans.
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What? Most of the Republicans I know believe EXACTLY what Romney said. There maybe some Independents who generally vote Republican who don’t believe what Romney said but that number is probably rather small.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Taxpayer…………..I’m too busy out here clinging to my gun and religion, just say’n.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Medicaid, Medicare and SS are attacked by the gop because they work and the gop refuses to help Americans.
If they were corporate or wealthy welfare, all the gop would vote for it.
Erwin's cat
September 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Welcome to the Occupation
As you rally against capitalism….what do you want to replace it with?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Obama is a slap in the face
Looks like someone is trying to live out their S&M fantasies on the blog again.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Aquagirl @ 11:21
Off killiing terrorists ?
What “kind” of terrorists ?
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Getalife
Yes they are
Could get ugly
Weak America doesn’t help
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:28 am
Out for awhile ……….. everyone be nice to each other.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Uncertainty costs 1% to 2 % unemployment. gop obstruction is not free . It is costing our country billions and more government waste.
Oscar
September 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Oscar……………Then why don’t you move somewhere else
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Some of my ancestors have lived here 15,000 years. I’m not going anywhere.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
September 20th, 2012
11:29 am
getalife……………refusing to help with wasted tax payer money with fraud and mismanagement.. Do yourself a favor and research charitable giving between parties. You might learn something.
Oscar
September 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Oscar……………Then why don’t you move somewhere else
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Some of my ancestors have lived here 15,000 years. I’m not going anywhere.
barking frog
September 20th, 2012
11:30 am
Jm 11:27
What is weak about America?
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:30 am
Rquest prayer for him also as he likes to “assassinate” that way.
Like AQ’s No. 2 man in Yemen.
If it was a Repub president doing this, it would be a brillant military move.
But since it’s a Democrat president doing this, its assassination.
Interesting…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:30 am
jm,
The history between China and Japan has always been ugly.
Oscar
September 20th, 2012
11:32 am
Jm – The problem is education funding has not been used appropriately
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There is a simple cure for that. We should start using funds the way they should be used – appropriately.
Emory made a change this year. More changes should be made.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
11:32 am
Interesting that the Hardees “news” only appears on the Newsmax site. Not in a press release, not on the Hardees site, nowhere else.
Only conspiracy theorists will blame everyone else for not picking up on this “news”.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
11:33 am
First things first: Mike Luckovich is a dweeb.
As to the Bookman post: But something does seem to be going on out there.
Reminds me of the SNL news skit: <"You know, there are a lot of folks out there..
Real profound guys. $16 trillion in debt already, ambassadors being killed, and we’re looking at the monumental effect on opinion polls from what Romney said in May.
Reminds me of another SNL skit: “A new poll today found that Americans are sick of polls, studies and surveys”
Liberals are a walking variety show–so little substance otherwise.
Is this what it’s going to be Mr. Bookman? … Penetrating regurgitation of opinion polls day-in, day-out till the election?
Regnad Kcin
September 20th, 2012
11:34 am
“There maybe some Independents who generally vote Republican who don’t believe what Romney said but that number is probably rather small”
Just enough to swing the election…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:34 am
When we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, the stock market and housing were collapsing, the gop minority leader said his number one focus was to make our President a one termer.
In a sane country, this would end the gop party.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:34 am
Skydog’s 11:26 victim alert!
Skydog – your assertion is frankly, not true
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
11:34 am
It is nice to focus on the one person but a single payer would essential mean ALL the people at United Health Care would be laid off. Of course the government would have to hire people to oversee healthcare.
A single payer is essentially a HMO with a monopoly.
My position all along is that we need a hybrid system. The country already has the infrastructure in place to implement it too. Use the state health clinics as a single payer type of basic health care provider. Only the basics and preventive care could be done there, but give people the option of maintaining their current provider as well. Using a single payer style here would free up insurance for what it’s intended purpose is, and that is to provide catastrophic coverage. Let insurance companies and hospitals deal with emergency and non-standard things.
As to staffing, open up slots in medical school programs and make spending time in basic care in the clinics as part of the degree program. Offer graduating students the choice of doing 3-5 years to retire half of their medical school debt, give them more incentive for doing more years beyond that. Once they complete their time in the clinics, then they can go back for specialized study. That way, you have enough doctors to staff primary clinics to account for the increase in patients. You pretty much eliminate the need for people to go to the emergency room for routine treatment. And you eliminate some, most, or all of the debt incurred by doctors from medical school.
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
11:35 am
The Romney/Ryan/Republican Reform is very simple. They will crush, kill, destroy the leeches that consume that which rightfully belongs to the makers and take back what is rightfully theirs. No more welfare moochers, no more food stamp takers, no more unemployment money taken from the wealthiest, no more medicaid scum, no more redistribution of money from the makers to the social security and medicare takers. You see. Simple.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
11:35 am
Erwin’s cat: “As you rally against capitalism….what do you want to replace it with?”
I want to replace it with a better system.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
11:36 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
11:23 am
I guess that I feel the need. Last weekend I questioned your military service. Jackie set me straight. I apologize for that. We see things a lot differently, you and I, but we we both members of the greatest armed service in the world. I respect your service to our country.
As an aside, I have always believed that “violence is the last refuge of the incompetent” and I take it one step further that , war is the last refuge of an incompetent administration, hence my starting to question your service. War affects us all differently, I guess, and for me, war was always a very stupid thing. One day maybe we can get together and talk about it. I’ll buy.
A whisper in Medvedev's ear
September 20th, 2012
11:36 am
Fast forward to November – but the exit polls even had him in the lead. I can’t believe this is happening.
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:37 am
I read that Tim Pawlenty has left the Romney campaign to go to work as a bank lobbyist. Big suprise there. I guess the rats are starting to leave the ship.
And no , i didnt read that on a commie site.
cobbmom
September 20th, 2012
11:37 am
I can’t take it anymore. The conservative’s right response to anything they consider negative is to blame the “liberal media”. Good grief you people are stupid. You are always yelling about poor people needing to take responsibility for their choices but when it comes to your choice for a presidential candidate who is a twit you instead blame the media. It’s not the media’s fault that Romney speaks out of another body orifice instead of his mouth most of the time. It’s Romney’s fault for being a misinformed twit! Take responsibility for YOUR choices and quit blaming the media for reporting the FACTS.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:38 am
Oscar 11:32 – yes. The federal government needs to chain too
No student loans except for STEM. Cap funding at for STEM at $25k per year.
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
11:38 am
Do yourself a favor and research charitable giving between parties. You might learn something.
Better yet, you could present your evidence.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
11:39 am
larry,
On the contrary. When our ambassador is assassinated in Libya by a coordinated attack (an act of war), the Obama administration considers it not a brilliant military move, but a random one. We’ll see if the administration can ever bring itself to admit that it was an attack and that it wasn’t at all prepared, a la Jimmy Carter.
Liberals, you sure have your handle on labels.
Verbal Kint
September 20th, 2012
11:39 am
What was that term the Obama campaign used in 2008? Oh yeah, punch back twice as hard.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFr-ZFLEWXF
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:39 am
Getalife 11:30
Not in recent history
This is new
Rising china
Weak America
Bad combo
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:40 am
cobbmom,
Well said.
They are clearly unhinged.
Thomas
September 20th, 2012
11:41 am
me thinks there is some noise and baffle going on in the #s
All fun and games for those folks with nothing better to do- does anyone like that Dick Morris character?
The below from FiveThirtyEight blog from the NYTimes
At about 1:30 on Wednesday afternoon, I tweeted in exasperation: “The. Polls. Have. Stopped. Making. Any. Sense.”
I’d just seen a Marquette University poll of Wisconsin, which put President Obama 14 points ahead of Mitt Romney there. This came after a Rasmussen Reports poll of New Hampshire, published earlier that day, which had given Mitt Romney a three-point lead in the Granite State.
There is no plausible universe in which Mr. Obama wins Wisconsin by 14 points but loses New Hampshire by three. It’s not even obvious which of the states is more favorable for him. Earlier this week, for instance, we’d seen a Wisconsin poll putting Mr. Obama up just one point there, while a different survey of New Hampshire gave him a five-point lead.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
11:41 am
DRUDGE REPORT: 1 BILLION PAGE VIEWS IN PAST 31 DAYS! FIRST TIME IN SITE’S 17 YEAR HISTORY… DRAMA, DANGER, LIFE AND LOVE… IT’S ALL HAPPENING NOW…
drudgey spam
barking frog
September 20th, 2012
11:41 am
Jm 11:39
How is America weak?
Is Obama’s post-convention bounce over? | Latest News & Headlines
September 20th, 2012
11:41 am
[...] for Obama. The president’s bounce nationwide does appear to be “eroding,” says Jay Bookman at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Still, the new picture looks bad for Romney. “In the swing states that he has to have — [...]
godless heathen
September 20th, 2012
11:42 am
Good grief you people are stupid.
And that’s when I stop reading.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:44 am
jm,
America is not weak.
Your party is.
KatyWatts
September 20th, 2012
11:45 am
DeborahInAthens, how dare you? You are a perfect example of the closed minded elitists that feel they will be labeled racist if they don’t vote for Obama. I’m voting for Romney not because of those “pesky social values” you sneared about in your diatribe. I am pro-choice. I think that Ellen DeGeneres and Portia DeRossi are one of the classiest couples in Hollywood. I love that I can buy beer on Sunday. But what you socialists don’t get is that Obama is spending this country into bankruptcy. And that’s all I care about. I’m sick to death of this government thinking it is their right to take my hard earned money and “share the wealth”. You can walk down any city street and the poor are all around. So where is the money going? Thought about that??? My husband lost his job shortly after Obama was elected. And all Obama can do is blame Bush???? REALLY???? Hasn’t this administration ever heard of mea culpa? Have you???????????????????
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
11:45 am
Good grief you people are stupid.
And that’s when I stop reading.
Moral of the story: if you’re going to insult your audience, do it at the end.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
11:46 am
What was that term the Obama campaign used in 2008? Oh yeah, punch back twice as hard.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFr-ZFLEWXF
drudgey spam
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 20th, 2012
11:46 am
Well, next time we’re going to run the Silent Republican. We’ll nominate him and then tape his mouth shut. We’ll feed him thru his veins. We’ll just run a bunch of billion buck ads and show his picture. Then he can’t screw up.
Have a good Thursday everybody.
nelson
September 20th, 2012
11:46 am
I like what I am seeing of the GOP. They have a very successful business man and politician running for the nations highest office. If he were to be defeated, all the crying and complaining about the economy being in the dumps will be their own doing. That is what i would call justice.
Oscar
September 20th, 2012
11:49 am
Jm No student loans except for STEM. Cap funding at for STEM at $25k per year.
________
Agree that student loan program needs to change. $25K per year is too high. Should be limited to cost of an in state education at a state school. Does not cost that much to go to a public university.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
11:49 am
Latest Rasmussen: Obama up two, up three with leaners, at 50 percent with leaners.
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getalife
September 20th, 2012
11:49 am
He went from disdaining 47 % to the 100 % President overnight.
It’s a miracle.
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
11:50 am
“I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution,” he said, “because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level, to make sure everybody’s got a shot.”
-Barack Obama
If you look at Obama’s actions over the past 4 years…this is truly where we are headed…Socialism!!
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
11:52 am
Tim Pawlenty making out big, lining his pockets, taking full advantage of the utterly corrupt, hollowed out klepto-system of revolving doors, connections, and privilege that is our political system.
Too bad the current occupant of the White House can’t make a peep. Not the administration that had Larry Summers and Tim Geithner working for it, it can’t.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:52 am
Frog getalife
Maybe you haven’t noticed the trillion dollar deficits and 8% unemployment, and super slow growth
The rest of the world has
Verbal Kint
September 20th, 2012
11:52 am
What a brilliant response, Kam. Brilliant.
larry
September 20th, 2012
11:53 am
Liberals, you sure have your handle on labels.
Labels? When someone was being critical of the President using drones to kill AQ but does not offer up another way to kill them, or as he says, ” assassenate” them.
If it was a Republican using this strategy, he would have said nothing.
Obambarrassment
September 20th, 2012
11:54 am
cobbmom,
The anger tells me that the truth is bugging you. Good.
If we weren’t living in a left-slanted world where the media wasn’t in a slobbering love affair with Barack Obama I might get angry with your statement and be confounded like you are.
However, what you write is complete nonsense.
We attack the media because the media doesn’t report the trutth about Obama as it does about Romney. Obama hasn’t answered true questions from the press in weeks, since well before the Democratic convention, and a lot has happened in that time. We have had ambassadors killed, diplomatic personnel slain and their bodies dragged through city streets.
If a republican were in charge now, during these atrocities, the media’s attention would be, shall we say, slightly less apathetic about demanding a response from the President.
Instead, we have a churlish attack based on our old friend, class warfare, the 1%, the 47%, Romney’s tax returns, whatever….
We weren’t born yesterday, Cobbmom. We remember Dan Rather and the false story about George Bush’s military service in the 2004 election October suprise, and that story wasn’t even true. We remember how the press turned on John McCain after favoring him in the primaries, and we see it happening now again with Romney.
And we’re not whining. Most of us are entirely fed up, we’re activists, Tea Party, sick of the spending, tired of the brushing off of a pending financial crisis and most of all, sick of a media that manipulates the undecideds in this country with entirely slanted coverage. Believe us when we say that without the media’s full-throated advocacy for him, Obama would already be down 15 points in every single poll in the country, at least.
I can’t imagine how the media would portray Romney any differently, focussing on this one nearly meaningless tape, if the mediia themselves were on the Obama payroll. They provide an incredible amount of cover and free propaganda for the President. All the while, our economy, our sovereignty, our freedom and our safety hang in the balance….. while you guys call Romney an insensitive rich guy and poke microphones in the faces of all capitol hill republicans.
Ask Joe Biden what he thinks of “you didn’t build that!” and you’ll see some whining straight away, Cobbmom; and you know it. .
Jm
September 20th, 2012
11:54 am
Oscar 11:49 agreed
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
11:55 am
Obama – The Redistributor in Chief
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
11:56 am
why can’t OBAMA can’t get growth and jobs during his Presidency?
its his skill set……… he was trained and has experience at COMMUNITY ORGANIZING
great skills to get elected
but not great skills for creating jobs
and THE LOST DECADE BEGINS
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
11:56 am
Obama – 8.1% Unemployment and $16 Trillion in Debt
straitroad
September 20th, 2012
11:57 am
All things considered, Romney is in pretty good shape for the final leg of the campaign. Obama is down about 6% from where he was against McCain and Romney is up about 3% campared to McCain at this time in 2008. Given the state of the country with the debt, unemployment, failed foregin policy, and general negativity it’s a miracle that Obama is still in the race. I suspect the numbers will begin to turn shortly after the debate season.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
11:57 am
Steve Shamrock, actually you’re almost right. It really should read:
George W. Bush and Obama – 8.1% Unemployment and $16 Trillion in Debt
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
11:58 am
Aw steve shamrock, why did you not print the full quote:
Obama: I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.
Oh, that’s right, because selectively editing the quote makes your point better. When your point — and the entire Republican Presidential campaign — has to be based on lying to voters, don’t you think you’ve already lost? No?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
11:58 am
Steve Shamrock-regurgitater-in-chief…
paulo977
September 20th, 2012
11:59 am
US in UK….”and yesterday’s vote in which the GOP turned its back on vets isn’t going to help any”
_______________________________________
Oh yes …this was an endorsement of Romney’s distaste for ‘workers’ and whom he describes as ‘freeloaders’!!!!!!
Doggone/GA
September 20th, 2012
11:59 am
In the whole clip, Obama says:
I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2012/09/what_obama_really_said_about_r.html
Fomiesha
September 20th, 2012
12:01 pm
“…poll after poll shows his situation deteriorating significantly.”
Sure. I seem to remember several months before the last election polls indicated TSPLOST was going to win, too. Keep in mind that lots of people deliberately lie to pollsters.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
12:01 pm
Steve
Its really 14.7% because both parties have quit counting those that DROP OUT of looking for work and those that are UNDEREMPLOYED (mba at mcdonalds drive thru)
but dont forget obama’s other #’s
160+ fundraisers
100+ rounds of golf
and 1 meeting with his JOBS COUNCIL this year
at least he cares about 1 JOB
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
12:02 pm
What a brilliant response, Kam. Brilliant.
(shrug)
drudgey spam deserves nothing more.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
12:02 pm
Steve: “If you look at Obama’s actions over the past 4 years…this is truly where we are headed…Socialism!!”
Steve.
Steve.
I think your seat in the 3rd hour next to Morality? is missing and the principle is going to come looking for you soon. The bell rang a good 35 minutes ago. Shouldn’t you be getting back to class soon?
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
12:02 pm
The anger tells me that the truth is bugging you. Good.
Immediately followed by a long, rambling, paranoid screed.
Cons peg out the irony meter again.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:03 pm
Obambarrassment @ 11:54
Thanks for that entertaining post of fictional nonsense. I am still laughing. Especially at the “believe us”
Do you do a dance with that post? http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/09/19/navy-vmi-oregon-duck-psy-gangham-style/70000737/1
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:03 pm
mccain tried the same lie and failed steve.
Try some original poo to sling.
barking frog
September 20th, 2012
12:04 pm
Jm
How has the rest of the
world reacted to this
‘weakness’ ?
Verbal Kint
September 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
Kam – How does the Washington Examiner (a news outlet) qualify as Drudge? Please explain. Was Matt Drudge the author???
The only thing I can believe is that anything that might be slighly negative towards Obama MUST be a lie because, well, Salon Mag, Rolling Stone, MSNBC and Chris Matthews told me so..
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
Its really 14.7% because both parties have quit counting those that DROP OUT of looking for work and those that are UNDEREMPLOYED (mba at mcdonalds drive thru)
And in January 2009 as the worst economic recession in a lifetime kicked in, what was that number?
13.9%.
You’re whining about .8%, silly.
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 20th, 2012
12:07 pm
katywatts – “But what you socialists don’t get is that Obama is spending this country into bankruptcy.”
An apparently you don’t get is that Obama can’t spend anything without the approval of Congress. Please, share with us your utter disdain for the Republican led House and their out of control spending habits.
Nostradomus
September 20th, 2012
12:07 pm
In other words we have a 79% chance of people electing to continue on a path of a failed economic recovery and the bankrupting of the nation. You reap what you sow voters and in 2-4 years you’ll be reaping an economic and financial collapse that will make the W recession seem like a walk in the park.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:07 pm
Oh, for a link where I got the U-6 from January 2009:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_02062009.pdf
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
12:07 pm
‘We have had ambassadors killed, diplomatic personnel slain and their bodies dragged through city streets’
YOU LIE!! (h/t – Joe Wilson)
SBinf
September 20th, 2012
12:08 pm
T-Paw is leaving the Romney campaign. To mix a metaphor, it appears he doesn’t want to hitch his wagon to that sinking ship.
If Pawlenty had any thought that Romney were going to win, he’d be hanging around through the election to wait for a cabinet position.
Mittens is done.
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 20th, 2012
12:08 pm
Steve Shamrock – “If you look at Obama’s actions over the past 4 years…this is truly where we are headed…Socialism!!”
When are your parents coming for you?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:08 pm
path of a failed economic recovery
30 straight months of employment growth is a “failed economic recovery”? Move the goalposts much?
Jm
September 20th, 2012
12:09 pm
Frog 12:04
Our enemies are emboldened silly
To do things they might not otherwise do
Like send naval warships into Japanese territory
Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:09 pm
Labels?
You mean like:
Statist
Communist
Marxist
Socialist
Fascist
Libt*rd
Labels like THAT?
Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:09 pm
ByteMe: 30 straight months of employment growth is a “failed economic recovery”? Move the goalposts much?
Since January 20, 2009, anything less than 100% success = FAILURE
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
12:09 pm
Keep,
…and to think guys like those were my officers…oy
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:10 pm
The economic numbers look good jm.
Bad news for you.
Great news for our country.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
12:10 pm
The only thing I can believe is that anything that might be slighly negative towards Obama MUST be a lie because, well, Salon Mag, Rolling Stone, MSNBC and Chris Matthews told me so..
For honest-to-god journalism I go here:
http://news.mcclatchy.com/
Anything else is varying forms of infotainment.
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
12:11 pm
“In other words we have a 79% chance of people electing to continue on a path of a failed economic recovery and the bankrupting of the nation.”
Or maybe it’s because the nation is being responsible for not wanting to give the keys back to the drunk driver.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
cnn reports nothing but speculation in Libya.
Wait on the FBI report instead of gop lies.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
Romney’s quest for the White House is DONE!
Pawlenty stepping down signals the END of Mittens! LOL!
Pawlenty steps down from Romney campaign to head bank lobbying group…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-financial-regulation-pawlentybre88j0ll-20120920,0,2490314.story
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
Nostradamus – “In other words we have a 79% chance of people electing to continue on a path of a failed economic recovery and the bankrupting of the nation”
Followed immediately by a 100% chance of your head exploding.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
usmc,
He cashed out.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
Normal…. In your day they were doing the YMCA.
Or was that just Senior Digits? 
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
Like send naval warships into Japanese territory
Really? How many “warships” does China have? About 100. How many do we have? Over 400. Some of ours are submarines, which are probably right up near their boats and they won’t even know it.
You stress about silly stuff.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
byteme logic
underemployed people need to be grateful for obama since in 4 years they still cant find full time employment to what they had
celebrate staying put
here comes the LOST DECADE
brought to you by both liberals and conservatives………..
partners in crime
barking frog
September 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
Jm
China and Japan are both
our allies. No warships in
our territory. Japan is
deliberately antagonizing
China by occupying Chinese
territory.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
12:15 pm
Steve Shamrock:
See, Shammy, if you were really someone who was serious about engaging in a serious debate you wouldn’t just plop down the word “socialism” as an end of the conversation, but instead would present an argument with some coherence, with some evidence leading up to that conclusion. You might, for example, realize that all manner of facts fly in the face of the ’socialism’ charge, not least of which is the plummeting government employment we’ve seen under Obama. Another example would be the statement I alluded to yesterday in which this president stated clearly his belief in the private sector as the true engine of real sustained job growth. Any socialist who would make such a claim would probably have to turn in their socialist badge, don’t ya think?
But then maybe I’m naive for expecting people in the age of FOX News and Sean Hannity to demonstrate any real knowledge of political systems.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:16 pm
byteme logic
underemployed people need to be grateful for obama since in 4 years they still cant find full time employment to what they had
Nope. My logic is you shouldn’t hand the keys back to the drunk drivers just because they claim they’ll do better when they can’t remember what they did wrong in the first place.
Your logic? Do tell.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
12:16 pm
Obambarrassment @ 11:54 Thanks for that entertaining post of fictional nonsense. I am still laughing.
“Hey, angry woman—CLASS WARFARE LAMESTREAM MEDIA IN OBAMA’S POCKET DAN RATHER TEA PARTY AIN’T GONNA TAKE THIS NO MORE TEOTWAWKI YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT!!!!!”
I’m disappointed Area 51 didn’t make it in there.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:17 pm
I’m disappointed Area 51 didn’t make it in there.
As a noun or a verb?
Cobbian
September 20th, 2012
12:17 pm
One of the things costing Romney support is the continuing Republican onslaught on issues important to women. The Issa Committee meetings were a disaster, the Blount Amendment was a disaster, the Senate Republicans blocking the “fair pay” bill is remembered by women. The Republicans House bill that stripped out protection for gay women who are abused just because they are gay is unbelievably stupid – and totally partisan political pandering by placing the life of some women at risk. Equally remembered iare the repeated efforts by the Republicans in the House to defund Planned Parenthood and limit abortions.
Planned Parenthood to most women is not about abortions, but it is about access to contraceptives and basic health care needs for women, especially poor women. It took all those years since 1970, when the federal government first recognized the importance of contraceptives to protecting women’s health, for the availability of contraceptives to slowly grow, as state after state passed legislation requiring coverage of contraceptives in health insurance prescription drug benefits sold in those states. By the time the Affordable Care Act was passed, 28 states had such a requirement.
Women are also beginning to add up what is happening at state levels when the Republican legislatures pass or try to pass such stupid bills as those that include “probes” of women’s bodies and even the ill conceived “personhood” amendment, such as the one that failed to pass in exceedingly conservative Mississippi.
I have a very conservative Republican sister who is spitting mad about all this and is teetering on either just not voting or, a horrible thought to her, even voting for Obama. And it all has to do with keeping contraceptives in health insurance, keeping abortions legal, and keeping the job market fair in its treatment of women. We are seeing the Republican led governments roll back decades of hard won equal protection for women in our states and in the nation.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:17 pm
frog,
It is about oil rights to those islands.
This is what happens when you are addicted to oil.
While the gop senators were on the floor lying about our President, Lisa Murkowski from Alaska stood up and said they are to blame for our addiction to oil and they could change that fact.
I almost fell out of my seat.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
12:18 pm
adam- And equal opportunity means everyone gets an education, food, shelter, and all of the things necessary to make them have equal footing with their peers in the job market
ROFL! Please come back from liberal fantasy land and join us in the real world.
Life has winners and losers. Hard work is supposed to be rewarded. Wealth redistribution has been a dismal faiure throughout history. Quit rewarding people for sitting on the couch.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” Ben Franklin
Democrats: Patriotically destroying our country!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
12:20 pm
byteme
you are so blinded by your liberal rage that you can’t understand that i dislike both parties
but being an illogical emotional liberal, you assume
both parties have taken us to $16+ trillion in debt
and to argue that its the other sides fault and not mine
is like children
of which Congress represents BOTH PARTIES
which both act like children
JamVet
September 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
Our enemies are emboldened silly
To do things they might not otherwise do
Like send naval warships into Japanese territory
You are in a word, daft.
They have ALWAYS been emboldened…
Its really 14.7% because both parties have quit counting those that DROP OUT of looking for work and those that are UNDEREMPLOYED (mba at mcdonalds drive thru)
What part of that has been the way the unemployment numbers have been counted for FORTY YEARS alludes you?
Sam, isn’t it finally time you willfully ignorant read on on the thing you profess to have knowledge of???
Maybe not…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
jk,
” join us in the real world.”
Please do but don’t think you can.
Perhaps after the election but still don’t think you can.
You are lost in la la land.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
Aquagirl, if Area 51 makes it into his dance video all can be forgiven.
With a guest appearance by Michelle Bachman.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
12:22 pm
D. Abernethy — “If Democrats win it all I guess those of us who are strong conservative Christians can expect to be thrown to the lions because America will be just like Rome in the days of Nero.”
The way y’all cry and moan, people would think you’re *already* being munched on by lions.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:24 pm
Uncle Sam.
Which party votes for the middle class?
USMC
September 20th, 2012
12:24 pm
“usmc, He cashed out.”–Getalife
TYPICAL CON!
Geaux Dawgs!
Madmax
September 20th, 2012
12:24 pm
I see the Barack is not responsible for anything crowd is back in action. We can’t possibly hold him accountable for anything according to the left because that would be just too unfair. What a bunch of crap. Is he the president or not? If he is, he is accountable to all of the citiizens of this nation. The debt is his, the tax cuts are his, Medicare is his, etc.. If he can’t be held accountable then he should vacate the office.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
12:26 pm
USMC
September 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
USMC,
Look at it this way, he saw he was on the Titanic and decided to leave before it hit the iceberg…
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
12:26 pm
‘If he can’t be held accountable then he should vacate the office.’
Translation: None of the feces we are throwing has stuck, so he should leave…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
Geaux Dawgs!
Beat Alabama.
gm
September 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
With the stock market at all time high, is that redistribution? once again the rep voted against another Veterans bill, yet these right wing job run around saying how much they love this country.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
if Area 51 makes it into his dance video all can be forgiven. With a guest appearance by Michelle Bachman.
Headline: “MICHELLE BACHMANN AREA 51’s HERSELF”
That’ll bump traffic on the gooey Drudgeness.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:28 pm
Aww, Samantha, always there with the big pick-me-up speech. Hehehehehe.
Have you considered I recognize that this election is one of a choice between two visions, one that has bankrupted our future and wants to double-down on that vision and one that is willing to compromise to get a better future back? Maybe you don’t see it that way, but that’s your fault, not mine.
Name-call all you want, it just makes you look sillier and angrier.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
12:29 pm
If he can’t be held accountable then he should vacate the office.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Who did you hold accountable for that canard?
USMC
September 20th, 2012
12:30 pm
“Look at it this way, he saw he was on the Titanic and decided to leave before it hit the iceberg…”–Normal
Well you have a good point there Normal.
Now Amvet doesn’t have to become a Rabbi!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:32 pm
“Fake Ben Franklin quotes are funny” — Thomas Jefferson
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
If he can’t be held accountable then he should vacate the office.
Translation: my candidate is so weak, my only hope is that your candidate resigns first.
Get Real
September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
It will be a dark day if Obama is re-elected; even on liberal Letterman, Obama could not even tell him the level of the national debt….unfriggin believable…yet people are voting for him because he is Kool…
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
BOOOMMM
Forbes – Pew Research finds that sixty percent of Americans respond negatively to “socialism.” It is clear why President Barack Obama must avoid that label. Words are important. Political candidates who control the language of political discourse win elections.
Most of our elites would certainly not entertain the question: “Is Obama a socialist?” Only irresponsible fanatics carelessly throw around such epithets, they say. Polite circles ignore such goofiness.
As someone who has professionally studied and written about comparative economics, capitalism, and socialism for almost fifty years, the reticence to probe the core beliefs of a political leader seems odd. The question is perfectly legitimate in both an academic and political context as long as we define terms and place the discussion in proper context.
By “socialist,” I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao, but whether Obama falls within the mainstream of contemporary socialism as represented, for example, by Germany’s Social Democrats, French Socialists, or Spain’s socialist-workers party?
By this criterion, yes, Obama is a socialist.
The socialist parties of Europe trace their origins to reform Marxism. After Marx’s death in 1883, Europe’s Marxists rejected the Bolsheviks’ call for socialist revolution and worked within the political system for Marxist goals. Marxists, such as Karl Leibknecht, August Bebel, Paul Lafargue, Leon Blum, and others, formed the socialist parties that we know today. Most emerged from the trade-union movement, and they retain close ties with organized labor today, as does Obama’s Democrat Party.
Whereas, the eighteenth century liberalism of John Locke and Adam Smith gave us our constitution and limited government, Marxism provided the intellectual foundations of the European welfare state.
The European socialists have their welfare state. Even their conservative opponents no longer question the “social state,” despite rising concern about its affordability. In the United States, we are fighting the battle of the welfare state, and we do not know what the outcome will be.
The European welfare state takes one half of national output to provide state health care, pensions, extended unemployment benefits, income grants, and free higher education. Failed nationalizations taught European socialists to leave enterprise in private hands and coerce it through taxation and regulation to contribute to what the state deems the “social welfare.”
The November 2011 Declaration of Principles of the Party of European Socialists (PES) summarizes the European socialist agenda. I condense its main points and compare them with Obama’s statements and legislative initiatives:
PES: The welfare state and state-provided universal access to education and health care are society’s great achievements.
Obama: Favors universal access to health care and associated benefits as a critical expansion of the welfare state.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:34 pm
JKL2: (Quoting me) And equal opportunity means everyone gets an education, food, shelter, and all of the things necessary to make them have equal footing with their peers in the job market
ROFL! Please come back from liberal fantasy land and join us in the real world.
Life has winners and losers.
Republicans – NOT for Equal Opportunity. I rest my case.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:34 pm
Funny tweet:
6 “Fast & Furious” movies… why is no one resigning over that?
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
12:35 pm
Geaux Dawgs!
Beat Alabama.
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will sweep all 50 states before that happens.
Just sayin’
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:35 pm
Jeez, shamrock, can’t you get your own thoughts instead of cutting-and-pasting someone else’s without attribution?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
12:35 pm
“Fake Ben Franklin quotes are funny” — Thomas Jefferson
“Well, I have a source that confirms that he did say that, and even if he didn’t, it’s still true”
– John Galt
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:35 pm
When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
There is no evidence that Franklin ever actually said or wrote this, but it’s remarkably similar a quote often attributed, without proper sourcing, to Alexis de Tocqueville and Alexander Fraser Tytler:
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
So if you go to the original form, it would seem that Mitts promise to cut taxes and perform miracle debt reduction and balanced budgets is the threat that the quote warns us about Thanks for playing JLK
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
12:36 pm
getalife
neither one
they both vote for the PLUTONOMY
but they both claim to represent and protect the middle class………. when in actuality all they do is to keep going the plutonomy so those in wealth and power STAY THERE
the democrats bash wall street yet all those companies still made billions of dollars and gave out millions in bonuses while the middle class lost jobs and money but get this STILL HAD TO BAILOUT WALLSTREET AND THE BANKS ON THE MIDDLECLASS DIME
both parties have divided the country into fractions that get on blogs and bash each other while nothing really changes and the wealthy and powerful keep their wealth and power while the middle class either celebrates their party’s victory or plans for the next election so their party can regain power…………. yet everything stays the same
its a great system they have set up
it distracts the middle class from making the structural changes needed to help
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
12:36 pm
SoCoBro: My position all along is that we need a hybrid system.
Check out the big brains on the Boy From Bama!!
He must be an aberration!
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
KatyWatts — “I’m voting for Romney not because of those “pesky social values” you sneared about in your diatribe. I am pro-choice. I think that Ellen DeGeneres and Portia DeRossi are one of the classiest couples in Hollywood. I love that I can buy beer on Sunday. But what you socialists don’t get is that Obama is spending this country into bankruptcy.”
I give this concern troll a C-minus. “She” uses a few buzzwords without appearing to have any understanding of what they actually mean. And bringing up Ellen Degeneres was SO ten-years-ago.
You’re going to have to be more conscientious about doing your troll homework if you ever want to be more than a common, everyday nuisance and raise yourself to the Bill Orvis White or Ragnar level of trollery.
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
BOOOOOOOMMM #2
“If the Party of European Socialists were to rate Obama, he would get a near perfect score. The political views and programs that Obama is prepared to reveal to the public are consistent with those of European socialists. He is clearly a socialist in the European sense of the term.”
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
Once again Obama’s number are fantasy….read the reality
Health Care Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6 Million Uninsured People
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/health-care-tax-penalty_n_1898005.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7|maing6|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D208152
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Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
So if Obama wants to even approach Germany’s welfare state as it currently exists under AUSTERITY measures, he’s a socialist.
That is f*cking stupid.
Yes, he wants people to have a decent chance at survival and a decent chance at making it higher to the top. But does he want government control of the private market? Evidence suggests not.
Is socialism just anyone who wants taxes to be at a reasonable level so we can pay for BOTH defense AND social programs?
Madmax
September 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
lord….
No, the “see no evil, hear no evil” monkeys think that blaming Bush for everything will divert attention away from his dismal performance and that if they shout over everybody who disagrees with them they feel they have protected their “ruler”. It’s amazing, if you believed everything they say here, the man is a supposed god. JFK had spots, Reagan had spots, MLK had spots, but Barack Obama is spotless. HST said it right “the buck stops here!”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:39 pm
And how do we know he is a socialist? …..
Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:39 pm
Health Care Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6 Million Uninsured People
Again:
6 million is less than 2% of the U.S. population, or, in layman-speak, WHAT WE TOLD YOU ALREADY.
Each of those 6 million ALSO can afford the tax. They are not in the poorer groups that would get subsidies.
If, for whatever reason, 6 million IS more than we thought, then guess what? MORE DEFICIT REDUCTION.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
“The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed.”
Libs “but..but…but the CBO is never wrong”.
Most affected by this? The middle class.
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Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
Headline: Michelle Bachmann reveals she was “born” at Area 51
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
ByteMe — “Jeez, shamrock, can’t you get your own thoughts instead of cutting-and-pasting someone else’s without attribution?”
Shamrock wouldn’t know an actual Socialist if Bernie Sanders himself came up and bit him on the azz.
buzzy
September 20th, 2012
12:42 pm
Yes, Romney has stumbled, but Democrats must still get out an vote on election day.
Also, remember, Obama is out of practice on doing debates, but Romney just went through a year of debates during the Republican primaries.
The Democrats should not get over confident. The most important thing is to get out and vote, and get your friends to vote.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
12:42 pm
And how do we know he is a socialist? …..
HE LOOKS LIKE ONE!
moonbat betty (I got the crabs from Bookman's blog)
September 20th, 2012
12:42 pm
Heck yeah the strategist like what they see.
With the awesome job performance from Obama the last 4 years and it’s still this close against an old pasty white a-hole money/job stealer?
Set the bar high, dems.
Adam
September 20th, 2012
12:42 pm
Steve-USA: Libs “but..but…but the CBO is never wrong”.
Conservatives: AHA! I have you NOW! The CBO said it was less, NOW the same office says it’s more! CBO is always wrong!
Wait, what?
Partisay
September 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
Get Real – yet people are voting for him because he is Kool…
You mean kinka like W? The one that put us in two wars AND gave a tax cut at the same time? Hey, he got us going down this rocky road but that’s OK…cause after all, he’s the type a man can sit down and have a beer with!!!!!
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
12:44 pm
‘JFK had spots, Reagan had spots, MLK had spots, but Barack Obama is spotless. ‘
Dude, you left out Clenis…I hear (from Monica) he had a ’spot.’
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
Check out the big brains on the Boy From Bama!!
He must be an aberration!
Hey, we are not all mindless sheep over there. Some of us are quite capable of logical thought. That, and big boys have big brains.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
“Headline: Michelle Bachmann reveals she was “born” at Area 51″
That’s one fine Martian!
You ever seen her choke down a CornDawg??
Madmax
September 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
lord
Clinton was too obvious
buzzy
September 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
Look, if Romney can’t run his campaign, he probably can’t run the country.
The Republicans picked another dud, Im afraid.
Don’t get over-confident Dems. Vote.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
12:46 pm
Geez…here we go again with polls – Jay’s most fruitful heuristic garden. Psst…did you know the US Embassy in Pakistan is now the most recent US outpost under siege?
=http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/09/2012920134020247511.html
“In the presidential race, Mitt Romney remains neck and neck with Barack Obama in both the Rasmussen and Gallup tracking polls, with most of Obama’s post-convention bounce eroding.
Thanks for that concession, Jay, and that would be ALL of Obama’s post-convention bounce eroding.
“Other recent polls, however, show Obama building a significant lead. The latest Pew poll puts Obama up eight points; the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll puts him up five.”
For those of you loathe to bet your house or, unlike Jay, base your career on polls, here is some solace:
=http://www.examiner.com/article/two-democratic-pollsters-confirm-major-polls-skewed-against-mitt-romney
=http://www.gradethenews.org/pages2/Pollstory1.htm
=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/politics/political-pollsters-struggle-to-get-the-right-cell-number.html?pagewanted=all
“But GOP candidates all over the country are explicitly rejecting those remarks, running from them like Japanese villagers fleeing Godzilla.”
Truth Meter Rating: Mostly False
“I’m not one for hyperbole,” Nate Silver of Fivethirtyeight tweeted last night. “But GOP Senate map is imploding. Chance of a takeover now just 21%.”
Here’s some hyperbole for you, bud: polling is dying. I suppose that is why you sold out to the liberal New York Times (while you could still make a buck). Hey – but we all know you are a life “progressive” and I guess that explains why the liberals love you so much.
“He has a lot of money yet to spend, both in his own campaign coffers and through “independent” campaigns funded by wealthy conservatives.”
Jay, I do believe you could have worked for Slick Willy himself with this sort of tripe. You do know, don’t you, that your boy Obama greatly outspent McCain in 2008. But, now, suddenly campaign spending is an issue. Shhhh…you don’t want to say that too explicitly because that would reveal your hypocrisy. So…yeah…let’s slip it in as an insinuation – that’ll do the trick.
“Outside events could also intervene.”
Yeah, like the ME getting much worse in the next month or so:
=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/20/ideology-political-calculation-put-obama-in-bind-on-muslim-uprisings/
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
12:47 pm
Steve Shamrock:
But the problem is twofold.
“As someone who has professionally studied and written about comparative economics, capitalism, and socialism for almost fifty years, the reticence to probe the core beliefs of a political leader seems odd.”
But a political leader’s “core beliefs” are clearly observable in that leader’s concrete actions, otherwise they’re simply the stuff of speculation, much of it tending towards purely paranoid type of the Dnesh D’Souza variety.
The other part of your explanation completely misses the whole shift in the political arrangements across the Western world in the post-WWII era which has seen the Social Democratic parties completely sever their ties to their Marxist origins and go over whole hog to neoliberal market dogma. This was the case to such an extent that by the mid 80s you had Mitterand the nominal socialist carrying out some of the most vicious austerity measures and privatization we’ve seen to this day, and by the 90s you have Tony Blair and his New Labour boys out-Thatchering Thatcher, carrying Thatcherite neoliberalism to its culmination, something which Bill Clinton and his henchman like Robert Rubin did in this country, carrying Reaganite deregulation and welfare program dismantling to its completion in the name of post-Cold War progress (”the era of big government is over”).
The Social Democratic parties of Europe have played a key role in the same process of market fundamentalism that we’ve seen by the Republicans and New Democrats in this country.
mississippi
September 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Romney’s advisors and think tank supporters are the same as those who advised Bush – Heritage Foundation, AEI, Rove, Norquist, etc. Romney = Bush. Bush = Failure. Obama = Progress (in spite of the GOP’s stated goal of not doing anything to help America – just working to make Obama a one term pres.). There it is in math for you.
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Madmax,
The only people that think Obama is a socialist are right wing kooks.
I saw an interview not too long ago (wish I could remember where) in which the interviewed spoke with members of real Socialist groups. According to actual Socialists…Obama is FAR from a Socialist.
But, I’m sure you know better…
Partisay
September 20th, 2012
12:51 pm
Madmax – “and that if they shout over everybody who disagrees with them they feel they have protected their ruler”
Shout over everybody? You mean like Rush, Hannity, Coulter, O’Reilly, Ingram, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,???
Repro
September 20th, 2012
12:51 pm
To the cons who keep harping on the 19 trillion debt, that debt would not have existed if Bush/GOP had not started two expensive wars and enacted unnecessary tax cuts. Obama spent the money to save the auto industry and other bailouts.
Erwin's cat
September 20th, 2012
12:52 pm
Welcome – I want to replace it with a better system.
can you be less specific?
TiredOfIt
September 20th, 2012
12:52 pm
Two months before election Romney has decided he will represent the whole country (100%). I wonder what will happend two months after he gets elected?
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Erwin’s feline
“can you be less specific?”
Sure.
I want to replace it.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
Lord Help Us
According to actual Socialists…Obama is FAR from a Socialist.
YOU ARE CORRECT, right wing kooks are wrong
he is not a socialist
HE IS AN ANTI-COLONIALIST and a CORPORATIST
but right wing nuts and a lot of left wing nuts don’t get it
his upbringing is vastly different than what most americans experience and he was exposed to different ideas than we all were educated too
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
I saw an interview not too long ago (wish I could remember where) in which the interviewed spoke with members of real Socialist groups. According to actual Socialists…Obama is FAR from a Socialist.
It was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
WOW! This is a relief!!!
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19/13957722-state-department-no-secret-plan-to-invade-canada
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
HE IS AN ANTI-COLONIALIST
Where exactly did you want to colonize??
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:56 pm
BTW, of course he’s a corporatist. Duh.
larry
September 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
I wonder what will happend two months after he gets elected?
I doubt he goes to the 53%, he will go probably to the 2%.
What he calls his base.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
Why is Towncrier hanging out at Al-Jazeera?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
Why is Towncrier hanging out at Al-Jazeera?
They really are awesome at ME-centric news gathering. If there’s something flaring over there, they’ll have the best reporting on it.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Shout over everybody? You mean like Rush, Hannity, Coulter, O’Reilly, Ingram, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,???”
In this case, I think he meant Maher, Matthews, Maddow, Schultz, Brokaw, Sharpton and those of that ilk. You know the type, right?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 20th, 2012
12:59 pm
This just in: Fox reports that Obama has secret plan to invade Canada.
The fact that Obama denies is it proof that it exists. Holder is incompetent.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
12:59 pm
Towncrier — “For those of you loathe to bet your house or, unlike Jay, base your career on polls, here is some solace:”
I love how you’re now taking the personal beliefs of pollsters as some sort of affirmative evidence that your demographic sampling argument is actually a valid criticism of how political polling is done.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:00 pm
“Why is Towncrier hanging out at Al-Jazeera?”
Atlantis gets boring after a time.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
1:01 pm
ByteMe — “Where exactly did you want to colonize??”
MARS, B1TCHES
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
Anybody see what color Mr. Romney was in the Univision interview?
What’s that all about?
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
“but right wing nuts and a lot of left wing nuts don’t get it”–Uncle Samantha
Can I have a few of your wingnuts for this bicycle from the 1970’s that I am attempting to put together?
Citizen of the World
September 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
Cobbmom @ 11:37, I feel you.
But see, this is a key part of the Republican strategy. Their minions in the media — yes, Republicans, Fox News and Talk Radio are media, too! — spend as much if not more time vilifying the mainstream/elite/liberal media as they do talking about the issues. This is done for two reasons — one, to keep their listeners from seeking out other sources or news and opinion, and two, to keep them from believing anything the see or hear from those sources.
This strategy has been quite effective and evidenced by so many of the posters on this blog. They won’t believe anything against their candidate because, of course, they can’t trust the source!
mm
September 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
“Health Care Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6 Million Uninsured People”
Good. Because most of them are probably righties that are simply protesting the mandate.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
1:04 pm
Atlantis gets boring after a time.
Tourists won’t venture out of the tourist spots, then they complain it’s boring.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
1:04 pm
GG — “Anybody see what color Mr. Romney was in the Univision interview? What’s that all about?”
Yo soy Oompa-Loompa
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:04 pm
This just in: Fox reports that Obama has secret plan to invade Canada.
And now, although it was a joke, watch it spread all over the interwebs.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
1:05 pm
Tourists won’t venture out of the tourist spots, then they complain it’s boring.
Getting mugged in a foreign country is not boring. You can take my word for that, no need to experience it yourself. I’ve taken the bullet for you.
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:09 pm
Anybody see what color Mr. Romney was in the Univision interview? What’s that all about?”
Oh no, he’s hired Boehner’s makeup guy.
This isnt going to be good.
beam me up
September 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
It is worth pointing out that Rasmussen has a reputation for producing polls which slant Republican. This may be due to methodology (not including households without a land line and only trying a number once if not answered) rather than intent. Since older voters tend to have land lines and be at home to anwer the phone more, they get overrepresented. Because older voters tend to be more Republican, the Republican candidate’s number gets inflated by a few points.
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
Getting mugged in a foreign country is not boring.
Tourists complain about boredom, we provide excitement, then they complain it’s not boring enough.
Air-breathers are never happy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
This is all well and good, but how does it affect THE SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! ?
JamVet
September 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
HE IS AN ANTI-COLONIALIST and a CORPORATIST
I agree.
The first is fine, the second is an abomination to the sovereignty of we the people.
Corporations are people my friend.
(Excuse me for a moment while I clean up the vomit.)
Had our neocons (D & R) been around in the 1860’s they would have written’ “…that government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations shall not perish from the earth.”
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
“They really are awesome at ME-centric news gathering. If there’s something flaring over there, they’ll have the best reporting on it.”
I would agree that it is a very good source for ME news, BM.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
JHM and larry
Epidermal Pandering….oh so colorful.
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
1:14 pm
“This just in: Fox reports that Obama has secret plan to invade Canada.”
Anyone know what Romney’s position on this is?
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:15 pm
Romney has turned very orange.
I wonder if he is going to start chain smoking too.
buzzy
September 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
America knows Obama is not a Muslim Socialist. He’s been in office four years.
Now why in the world should they vote for Romney who changes his position every week? I don’t even think Mitt Romney knows who Mitt Romney is.
I hate to break it to the cons, but not everyone watches the Fox News Fantasy hour every day. Not everyone is a part of that fairy tale.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:17 pm
Great column on liberal doublespeak and hypocrisy regarding the “free speech” and the criticism of religion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578002010241044712.html
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
Anyone know what Romney’s position on this is?
It doesnt matter, he’ll change it next month.
And then , when he runs for the nomination again in four years , he’ll have another position, so he can argue with himself, like he is doing now.
Peadawg
September 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/pawlenty-quits-romney-campaign-co-chair-132022573–election.html
Looks like Pawlenty can tell when a ship is about to sink….
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
1:19 pm
So Obama goes to this bar………….
And while he’s there this guy walks in and sees him. “Is that the President?” he asks the bartender. The bartender allows that it is so the guy walks over.
“Hi Mr. President,” the guy says.
“Hi,” says Obama, “Me and the bartender are having a little argument maybe you can help us out.”
“Anything Mr. President.”
“Ok, you’ve heard about the problems in Libya right? Well the bartender says I should nuke the whole Country killing all 6 and 1/2 million Libyans and execute one blonde with big breast.” says Obama.
“Why do you want to kill an Blonde with big breasts” ask the guy.
Then the bartender interrupts, “See Mr. President, I TOLD you no one gives a damn about 6 1/2 million Libyans but you………”
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:20 pm
And another:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/322396/note-paul-krugman-here-s-real-elminationist-rhetoric-dennis-prager
getalife
September 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
willie is stressed out.
Cracking under the pressure from major league politics.
He is a minor leaguer.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
1:22 pm
Romney has turned very orange.
Holy crap batman, you mean he’s turned into an Oompah Loompah?
http://tinyurl.com/dyrgcze
mm
September 20th, 2012
1:23 pm
“Anybody see what color Mr. Romney was in the Univision interview? ”
He’s trying to look Mexican. LOL
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:23 pm
“I hate to break it to the cons, but not everyone watches the Fox News Fantasy hour every day. Not everyone is a part of that fairy tale.”
Yeah, the real THINKERS here on the blog watch the Daily and Colbert Shows for their hard facts.
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:24 pm
you mean he’s turned into an Oompah Loompah?
or another John Boehner,
which ever you prefer.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
1:25 pm
His Dad built a very large Mormon complex down in Mexico.
willie refuses to talk about it.
Brosephus™
September 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
Fred @ 1:19
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
Yeah, the real THINKERS here on the blog watch the Daily and Colbert Shows for their hard facts.
Which has more stories with facts than Fox News.
Sad, isn’t it.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
beam me up — “It is worth pointing out that Rasmussen has a reputation for producing polls which slant Republican. This may be due to methodology (not including households without a land line and only trying a number once if not answered) rather than intent.”
Rasmussen has a history as a conservative pollster, but apparently decided at some point to go commercial.
Rasmussen’s likely voter model employs party weighting, which multiplies actual poll results by the percentages which the firm THINKS Republicans, Democrats and independents will turn out on Election Day.
Q: How does Rasmussen know what the turnout will be on Election Day?
A: They don’t. They make up the multiplier. It’s nothing more than a guess.
Q: How do you know this?
A: They admit to it on their website.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2008/the_value_of_party_weighting_for_a_tracking_poll
It’s behind a paywall now, but it wasn’t the last time I checked (about a month ago).
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
That’s odd. drudgey has no mention of Pawlenty leaving the Romney campaign, but this is the top story in the right hand column.
REPORT: PARIS HILTON IN NEW TAPE MESS… DEVELOPING…
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Looks like Pawlenty can tell when a ship is about to sink….”
Pawlenty must be saying to himself, “I could have been a contender!”
It must have been terrible for Palenty, watching from the sidelines and seeing one Republican kook after the other taking the spotlight during the primaries. Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, Cain, Newt, all had their turn at the plate. Republicans then got stuck with Romney. They weren’t thrilled about Romney back then and are even less thrilled now.
Pawlenty was the Marilyn in a Republican sea of Munsters.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:27 pm
“His Dad built a very large Mormon complex down in Mexico.
willie refuses to talk about it.”–Getalife
It’s because Mittens is really an Illegal Alien!
Quagmire
September 20th, 2012
1:27 pm
Never heard a word from the tea party people about national debt during the bush years(especially during the wars, $3.5T tax cuts, etc)
Now, if you really want to make a tea party con member mad, ask them if they read the part of the Bible when it talks about dinosaurs………………………….LoL……………Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:27 pm
““I hate to break it to the cons, but not everyone watches the Fox News Fantasy hour every day. Not everyone is a part of that fairy tale.”
This from a guy going by the name of “buzzy”?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
Towncrier — “Great column on liberal doublespeak and hypocrisy regarding the “free speech” and the criticism of religion:”
Your author discredits himself right quick when he says this:
“So let’s get this straight: In the consensus view of modern American liberalism, it is hilarious to mock Mormons and Mormonism but outrageous to mock Muslims and Islam. Why? Maybe it’s because nobody has ever been harmed, much less killed, making fun of Mormons.”
The LDS has a pretty bloody early history. Ask any Mormon friend or associate about the Mountain Meadows Massacre and see how quickly they try to change the subject.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
That, and big boys have big brains.
Whatevahh……
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
“Which has more stories with facts than Fox News. Sad, isn’t it.”–Larry
Yes, the COMEDY shows report more facts than Fox News… Only in your mind , Larry.
(pass that bong Larry and go microwave some more popcorn, Jon Stewart’s coming back from commercial)
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
Pawlenty must be saying to himself, “I could have been a contender!”
Or he could be kicking himself for bailing out too early.
“They nominated this guy?” .
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
It’s behind a paywall now, but it wasn’t the last time I checked (about a month ago
Have you noticed that MOST right wing propaganda sites are? Either that or you have to sign up?
Aquagirl
September 20th, 2012
1:31 pm
He’s trying to look Mexican. LOL
He sure went overboard on the brown-nosing.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
Tied in polls drudgey spam coming soon
Gallup
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:33 pm
“Now, if you really want to make a tea party con member mad, ask them if they read the part of the Bible when it talks about dinosaurs………………………….LoL……………Hahahahahahahahahahaha”–Quagmire
Okay, class… “show and tell” is over. Go grab your Huskey pencils and notebooks.
Class is about to start..
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
1:34 pm
“Yes, the COMEDY shows report more facts than Fox News”
I posted this link earlier, but it proves Fox New is just as funny as The Daily Show. In fact Fox News is usually comedy gold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=csyAZPVEmpo#
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
Mitt! Mitt who. I don’t know any Mitt! – GOP candidates.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
September 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
His Dad built a very large Mormon complex down in Mexico
Was his (the father’s) relatives one of the Mormons who left the US for Mexico because of “religious freedom”?
larry
September 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
pass that bong Larry and go microwave some more popcorn, Jon Stewart’s coming back from commercial
Actually, it isn’t on right now. And i ate all the popcorn at break, sorry.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
DemocRat strategists cannot like what they’re seeing…
GALLUP: O 47% R 47%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx
Mr_B
September 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
you mean he’s turned into an Oompah Loompah?
or another John Boehner,
which ever you prefer.
Give me an Oompah Loompah every time.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
“Actually, it isn’t on right now. And i ate all the popcorn at break, sorry.”–Larry
I forgive you.
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
“DemocRat strategists cannot like what they’re seeing…”
Yes, because Democratic strategists looking at the swing state polls notice Romney getting crushed. They must hate that.
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
1:43 pm
Today’s censored by Drudge news
RASMUSSEN: OBAMA NOW UP BY 2!
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
“Your author discredits himself right quick when he says this…”
The author is focused on free speech (”making fun”) and the response to that sort of thing – not persecution (which the Mormons certainly endured). So you don’t quite have the objection you think you have. But I am no defender of Mormonism. I have read the Book of Mormon and actually find it not all that dissimilar in some respects to the Koran. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were clearly not righteous men. But the author’s point is clear and indisputable: many liberals feel free to ridicule some other religion but Islam and, in this regard, they are cowardly hypocrites.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 20th, 2012
1:48 pm
Haha!
“i can’t speak to the governor’s sense of humor” — Jindall on Romney saying he was proud to be godfather of obamacare
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
1:50 pm
getalife- You are lost in la la land
I’m not the one celebrating the death of Americans.
I’ll defend your right to party, just don’t expect me to attend.
PS: I know you still expect for me to pay for it though…
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
Whatever may be said of Atkin and guys like him in the GOP, liberals largely “own” the loony Hollywood left:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/actress-jessica-alba-asks-voters-to-pledge-allegiance-to-obama/article/2508539#.UFtXOVagmSq
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
“Geaux Dawgs! Beat Alabama.”–Getalife
…In this year’s SEC championship game in the ATL!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
Earth to jk.
Come in jk.
No Americans are celebrating the death of Americans.
Get a grip son.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
1:54 pm
Towncrier — “The author is focused on free speech (”making fun”) and the response to that sort of thing – not persecution (which the Mormons certainly endured).”
And the author fails on both counts. He quite clearly makes an assertion that is incorrect on its face, and if he actually had any knowledge about early LDS history, he might not have made it. All he succeeded in exposing was his own ignorance. He might very well have a valid point to make, but tripping over his own crank in that fashion doesn’t help him make it.
“So you don’t quite have the objection you think you have.”
Again with the attempted mindreading.
You know, I’d really appreciate it if you’d refrain from telling me what I think. You’re almost always wrong and you have a pretty poor track record of guessing when it comes to that.
“But I am no defender of Mormonism. I have read the Book of Mormon and actually find it not all that dissimilar in some respects to the Koran. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were clearly not righteous men. But the author’s point is clear and indisputable: many liberals feel free to ridicule some other religion but Islam and, in this regard, they are cowardly hypocrites.”
I think the author could have made his point much more effectively and ACCURATELY but for his mistaken guess about Mormons being all peaceful and unicorny and rainbowy and the like.
Then again, I expect you like his argument because it seems to be so congruent with the one you’ve been making yourself so much lately.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
1:56 pm
usmc,
If somebody beats Alabama, LSU will crush the dawgs.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:56 pm
Uh Oh, DemocRats!!! You are going to have to start paying some Taxes… The Party on other peoples’ money is about to be OVAH!
VA DemocRat: ‘I Would Be Open to a Proposal to Have Some Minimum Tax Level for Everyone’
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kaine-i-would-be-open-proposal-have-some-minimum-tax-level-everyone_652779.html
getalife
September 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Yeah, the banks screw up so lets make the middle class and poor pay.
That dem should be voted out.
Ahem
September 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
If you haven’t checked Gallup this afternoon they have Romney pulling back into a tie with Oblunda and this on the approval of Oblunda, which could be the result of the failures on the ME front.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
USMC
September 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
“DemocRat strategists cannot like what they’re seeing”
Poll shows Jewish support for Obama in Florida down 7 percent from 2008
http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-jews-support-for-obama-drops-7-from-2008/
Just In: “The Obama administration is now pivoting to jobs, jobs, jobs!”…. Yeah!
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Income inequality in the US is at an all-time high and Republicans still are not satisfied. They want to take even more from the poor and give it to the wealthiest.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
1:59 pm
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
Apology accepted but it really wasn’t necessary. I understand your frustration.
To me the “prosecution” of the Vietnam war was inexcusable and no one was ever held to account (specifically Johnson/McNamara). I personally believe some of their personal conduct was criminal.
Here is just one brief excerpt from a book I am reading:
“The sky was dotted with ……… anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) ringing the harbor …………… Only later would he learn that President Johnson had announced the retaliatory strikes on national television
while the aircraft were heading for the North Vietnamese coast. Unfortunately, there was nothing to be done for a downed pilot that day …………… Lt. Everett Alvarez ………. whose plane was hit ……… was captured. Alvarez was the longest-held American POW of the war (eight and one-half years).
Thank you President Johnson.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
1:59 pm
adam- Republicans – NOT for Equal Opportunity. I rest my case
LIAR!
Getting zero results for zero effort and blaming those that do the work for getting a paycheck is not Equal Opportunity. It is wasted opportunity.
Life if not a game where everyone is entitled to a juice box and a trophy.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:01 pm
jk,
Your party lost 9 million jobs.
They fight for the wealthy and you are not wealthy.
Why do you bend over for them?
Jm
September 20th, 2012
2:01 pm
Usmc
Get’em
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
“If somebody beats Alabama, LSU will crush the dawgs.”–getalife
That sounds real sexy, getalife…
But LSU won’t even make it to the SEC Championship to play the SEC EAST Champion JAWJA BULLDAWGS!!!
You got to EARN the right to “crush” the Bulldawgs!
Geaux Dawgs!
ken
September 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
——————————————————————————–
SURVEY: Only 15 Percent Of Democrats Believe Economic News Is Bad…
LOL
Jm
September 20th, 2012
2:03 pm
“That dem should be voted out.”
So much for inclusive democrats
Democrats have become extremist by purging moderates
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:03 pm
mitt is using the same mccain redistribution lie.
Last desperate poo slinging of another losing campaign.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:04 pm
Well isn’t this one just sweet !
“A British soldier serving on the frontline in Afghanistan has given birth at the NATO base where she is posted — days after it came under attack from the Taliban, the defence ministry said Wednesday.
The woman, who gave birth to a baby boy on Tuesday at Camp Bastion, in Helmand Province, did not know she was pregnant, British media reports said.
The mother and baby, both said to be in a stable condition, are waiting for the arrival of a specialist medical team from a hospital in Oxford, southeast England, before being flown home.”
USMC …………….. Should they name the baby “Incoming” or “Outgoing” ?
Jm
September 20th, 2012
2:05 pm
Ken
As long as you get your cell phone, foodstamps, housing voucher, and earned income tax credit, what do you have to complain about?
Things are looking good…. If they’ll just include free cable…..
Steve Shamrock
September 20th, 2012
2:05 pm
Are you one of the 6 million people who’s taxes will go up with Obamacare?
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:06 pm
“Income inequality in the US is at an all-time high and Republicans still are not satisfied. They want to take even more from the poor and give it to the wealthiest.”–(sales)Taxpayer
LOL! We are coming to take your measly pittance of an ALLOWANCE too, (sales)Taxpayer… BWHAAAAAAAAA!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:06 pm
jm,
Acting like the gop is not a dem fighting for the middle class and the poor.
We have your party fighting for the wealthy.
Enough of that crap.
Why do you bow down for the wealthy when you are middle class?
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
2:07 pm
0311 — “USMC …………….. Should they name the baby “Incoming” or “Outgoing” ?
LAPES.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAPES
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
2:07 pm
Challenge for Romney fans, try to find some good news for Romney using the link I provided then post your results.
http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Keep this in mind while searching,
RCP electoral map….
Obama 247
Romney 191
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
steve,
A vote for romney cost you 2 grand a year if he wins.
Do you have 8 grand to give to government?
Cosby
September 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
Keep drooling as we watch the USA being pushed off the cliff….1,200 jobs in the coal industry lost, one promise Barry kept – he would bankrupt the coal industry..watch the utility cost go sky high, then the moochers will say you have to pay mine or I will freeze this winter…gee Jay will you and your bloggers pay mine..what a bunch of idiots!@!!!~
Moderate Line
September 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
skydog
September 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Moderate Line – It is nice to focus on the one person but a single payer would essential mean ALL the people at United Health Care would be laid off. Of course the government would have to hire people to oversee healthcare.
A single payer is essentially a HMO with a monopoly.
++++++++++++++++++++
What I have NOW at work with United Health Care is a monopoly. They only offer UHC at whatever rates they choose.
I`ll take my chances with a not for profit system. At least I could vote out any official who pays a CEO $128,000,000 a year. Right now I can do nothing, but pay the premiums.
++++
Part of your compensation is your health insurance so unless this is the only company you can work for then it is not a monopoly. As far as the CEO pay although his pay is way to much in my opinion you are being misleading. His total compensation for 5 years was $120 million. 95.8 million of his income was from stock gain.
Also, I provided a link if you do not want him to pay so much right to the owners of the companies which are provided in the link below.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=UNH+Major+Holders
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/12/ceo-compensation-11_Stephen-J-Hemsley_NBHE.html
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:09 pm
Jm@3:05
LOL!
But don’t give DemocRats any ideas of getting their “Caybah TV” paid for by the guvmint!!
Jm
September 20th, 2012
2:09 pm
Oops. Left off Medicaid and Marta subsidy.
Krystal'sBalls
September 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
Sure didn’t take the Romney campaign long to get Ann that date with Jay Leno on the Tonight Show! LOL. I guess they decded to stop being so snooty and enter the 21st century. I wonder of the Romney supporters will now slap the “Hollywood Ann” label n her now and tease about her being so “cool”?? I’m sure not. Consider the goal posts moved; It’s about “degrees” now. Hilarious!!!!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
cosby,
Your head exploded.
Are you okay?
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
2:11 pm
Income taxes paid by US corporations in 2010 accounted for 8 percent of the total federal revenues collected and Republicans still claim that corporations pay too much in taxes.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
2:12 pm
Getalife 2:06
Well, I don’t bow down
I am in favor of Romney’s policies
Ones that will lead to better economic growth that is good for everyone
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:12 pm
David Letterman trips up “President” Obama…
Obama Doesn’t Remember How Big Debt Is…
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/09/19/Obama-Doesnt-Remember-How-Big-Debt-Is
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
“and earned income tax credit,”
Is it unanimous? Do all Republicans now hate the wealth re-distributor Ronald Reagan?
These are the evil words of socialist Reagan describing the EITC…”"the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
Its time to take Reagan’s name off the DC airport!
Krystal'sBalls
September 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
@USMC
Didn’t know you were Cajun. Geaux brew me some Gumbo beau!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:17 pm
jm,
You look silly bowed down for the wealthy like mitt.
Stand up for what you are.
Stand up for the middle class.
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
2:17 pm
“Obama Doesn’t Remember How Big Debt Is…”
That’s nothing, Republicans have no memory of 2001-2008. 8 freaking years!
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:17 pm
Cosby
September 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
Keep drooling as we watch the USA being pushed off the cliff….1,200 jobs in the coal industry lost, one promise Barry kept – he would bankrupt the coal industry..watch the utility cost go sky high, then the moochers will say you have to pay mine or I will freeze this winter…gee Jay will you and your bloggers pay mine..what a bunch of idiots!
++++++++++++++++++++++++
I get tired of you Piece of Dung Republicans calling soldiers in combat zones and 2.9 million wounded and disabled veterans who proudly sacrificed for their country moochers.
What the hell is wrong with you?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
2:18 pm
getalife
why do you flock for the democrats
they protect the rich as well
Sen. John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I.
http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100723senator_skipper_skips_town_on_sails_tax
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:19 pm
Krystal’sBalls
September 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
@USMC
Didn’t know you were Cajun. Geaux brew me some Gumbo beau!
++++++++++++++
I would but the daughter wants hamburger soup instead. Gumbo is next week……..
Oh heel no it’s not. Think I’ll make some Saturday for the game. Seafood, sausage and chicken.
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
2:19 pm
The combined net worth of the 400 richest Americans is $1.7 trillion which is also the combined yearly household income of more than 64 million Americans. What do the Republicans and their presidential candidate have to say, in private, about it? Give those poor wealthiest another tax cut and pay for it by raising the taxes on the poorest and eliminating all their entitlements that they didn’t earn such as social security and medicare.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
2:19 pm
“And the author fails on both counts. He quite clearly makes an assertion that is incorrect on its face, and if he actually had any knowledge about early LDS history, he might not have made it. All he succeeded in exposing was his own ignorance. He might very well have a valid point to make, but tripping over his own crank in that fashion doesn’t help him make it.”
I would say rather that you fail. What he literally said was that no one got killed for making fun of Mormons. That is probably true, as I tried to intimate to you in my last post. But now you are showing your own ignorance. From the Wiki:
Tangible acts of violence against Latter-day Saints are considerably less common in the United States today than they were in the 19th century. The first significant violent persecution occurred in the early 1830s in Missouri. Mormons tended to vote as a bloc there, wielding “considerable political and economic influence,” often unseating local political leadership and earning long-lasting enmity in the frontier communities. These differences culminated in the Missouri Mormon War and the eventual issuing of an executive order (since called the extermination order within the LDS community) by Missouri governor Lilburn Boggs, which declared that “the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State.” Three days later, a renegade militia unit attacked a Mormon settlement at Haun’s Mill, resulting in the death of 18 Mormons and no militiamen.
Not quite the same as being made fun of, is it?
“You know, I’d really appreciate it if you’d refrain from telling me what I think. You’re almost always wrong and you have a pretty poor track record of guessing when it comes to that.”
I’m not playing this silly game of yours, today, my friend. Not worth my time.
“I think the author could have made his point much more effectively and ACCURATELY but for his mistaken guess about Mormons being all peaceful and unicorny and rainbowy and the like.”
Now you are revealing your complete lack of objectivity and (how did you put it?) “tripping over [your] own crank”. How do you infer a “…mistaken guess about Mormons being all peaceful and unicorny and rainbowy and the like” from “…nobody has ever been harmed, much less killed, making fun of Mormons.”?
“Then again, I expect you like his argument because it seems to be so congruent with the one you’ve been making yourself so much lately.”
All I can say is….bwahaahaaahaaa.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
Mitt Romney and Context:
http://youtu.be/5X3LGAXVd80
Too funny. I know this was a web-only spot, but it should run on a swing state station somewhere.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
2:18 pm
getalife
why do you flock for the democrats
they protect the rich as well
Sen. John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
That useless lapdog doesn’t *own* a damn thing. His wife buys it all.
Jm
September 20th, 2012
2:21 pm
Danny
I myself have mixed emotions about the EITC
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
2:22 pm
I am in favor of Romney’s policies
Ones that will lead to better economic growth that is good for everyone
Let me guess. You must be in favor of his private claims to want to get the leeches off the backs of the wealthiest by eliminating all those entitlements that they did not earn such as social security and medicare.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
Uncle Sam,
Because I watch the dems vote for the middle class on C Span.
Not a fan of the parties but that is the difference.
The gop vote for the wealthy that does not need any help.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
2:24 pm
fred
are you telling me that in the 1% there are DEMOCRATS?
that can’t be so
i thought the 1% was all Republican
maybe CITIGROUP was RIGHT about the PLUTONOMY
its t
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:24 pm
DRUDGEY !!!
GALLUP: O 47% R 47%
GALLUP: OBAMA APPROVE SLUMPS TO 46%…
Jewish support down 7% in FLA…
Obama Nominates Mega Donor’s Wife To U.N. Post…
philosopher
September 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
Mitt is unashamedly a chameleon. He has successfully changed positions on every issue more times than my niece changes shoes in a day with little change in his base support. At this point, he could embrace Obamacare as his invention, support abortion and gay marriage and decry immigration atrocities… and not much about his base would change. These folks don’t give a damn what he supports, or what he says or what he believes in because THEY HAVE NEVER KNOWN what he supported or believed in…they just want a white president.
Harold Westmoreland
September 20th, 2012
2:26 pm
This is REALLY simple to figure out…the 47% moocher class, aided by the ‘useful idiots’ who are blinded by the myopic shortcomings of liberalism are going all out for their voter effort and will bus, walk, or wheel any live (or dead) body into the voting booths on Nov. 6th. They know their very future existence is on the line. So given this fact and the complete takeover of the broadcast news channels by the administration’s propaganda wing I fully expect Obama to have a second term…and then maybe a third…then maybe a fourth, etc…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:26 pm
drudgey spam.
Got any original thoughts cons?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
Introduction: “The Obama you don’t know”
Few if any of his predecessors took the oath of office with higher public hopes for his success than President Obama on Jan. 20, 2009.
Millions of Americans hailed his election as an end…
Chapter I: A childhood of privilege, not hardship
First lady Michelle Obama told the Democratic National Convention that “Barack and I were both raised by families who didn’t have much in the way of money or material possessions.”
Chapter II: The myth of the ‘rock-star professor’
Time magazine gushed in 2008 about Barack Obama’s 12-year tenure as a law lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, saying, “Within a few years, he had become a rock-star professor with…
Chapter III: The 1997 speech that launched Obama
Few doubt that Barack Obama’s stirring oration before the 2004 Democratic National Convention vaulted him into the national limelight.
But another, less-heralded Obama address –…
Chapter IV: For the slumlord’s defense, Barack Obama, Esq.
Writing in his 1995 autobiography, “Dreams from My Father,” Obama said he became “a civil rights lawyer” because “to lend meaning to a community’s suffering and take part in its healing — that…
Chapter V: Obama’s toughest critics on the Left
Barack Obama’s carefully constructed image as a civil rights lawyer who wanted to heal the black community was greeted with skepticism by some Chicago activists.
Chapter VI: The poor people Obama left behind
Four years after Barack Obama’s historic election as president, little seems to have changed for the African-American communities on Chicago’s South Side.
Chapter VII: The myth of Obama as state Senate reformer
Shortly after Barack Obama won the 2008 presidential election, Prairie State Blue, a liberal blog, attributed his victory to the fact that Illinois’ deeply entrenched government corruption had…
Chapter VIII: Obama’s state pension scheme
State Sen. Barack Obama and members of an Illinois lobbying group representing politically connected minority-owned businesses launched a campaign in 2000 to pressure state pension funds to help…
Chapter IX: The Arab-American network behind Obama
President Obama’s controversial relationships with radical figures like Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi have been well-publicized in recent years.
Chapter X: Obama brings Chicago politics to Washington
Chicago has been called the home of “gangster government.” How bad is it?
Consider the following facts about the city from which President Obama rose through the ranks of American public…
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFsQT41lQ18
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
” I fully expect Obama to have a second term”
I agree.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
2:28 pm
Hey, Kamchak – here’s your sign:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/20/study-only-15-percent-of-democrats-believe-economic-news-is-bad/
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
2:29 pm
wake up people
we are being used by BOTH PARTIES to keep the 1% wealthy and in power
quote from Braveheart that has been true through the ages
“You’re so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank’s table that you’ve missed your God given right to something better.”
both parties set up the squabbling among the middle class to keep us from doing what we need to do structurally in this country to make our lives better.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:29 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
2:24 pm
fred
are you telling me that in the 1% there are DEMOCRATS?
that can’t be so
i thought the 1% was all Republican
++++++++++++++++++++++++
See? That’s what you get for getting all your news from Fox and talk radio. Expand your horizens, broaden your mind. You head won’t explode. I promise.
BYTEME: That was freaking awesome. Dod you see “You didn’t build that” that someone posted yesterday? It was funny too but not as professionally done.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:29 pm
I agree…I stand with the 47% moocher class…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
Posting mindlessly drudgey spam is boring.
Already read that crap.
Give us your thoughts without drudgey.
If you can.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
both parties set up the squabbling among the middle class to keep us from doing what we need to do structurally in this country to make our lives better.
Hey pal. I’m about this close to being a 1percenter. Lay off my gravy train.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCfVFxRsKQc
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Give us your thoughts without drudgey.”
Give us your thoughts, PERIOD.
“If you can.”
Indeed.
If you can.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
Well, well, well ……….. they’re really on top of things aren’t they …………………..
Headline: “White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, after insisting for more than a week that the White House had no evidence to suggest the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was anything but a ’spontaneous’ act, concedes that it was an act of terror.”
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
Who wanked my name @ 2.29?
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Didn’t know you were Cajun. Geaux brew me some Gumbo beau!”
YESSEM! Right away!
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
crier,
Can you read?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
Good! Make them take it to the Supreme Court ………… liberal churches have been doing it forever.
“Pastors pledge to defy IRS, preach politics from pulpit ahead of election”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/pastors-pledge-to-defy-irs-preach-politics-from-pulpit-ahead-election/?test=latestnews#ixzz272JDfACC
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:33 pm
“both parties set up the squabbling among the middle class to keep us from doing what we need to do structurally in this country to make our lives better.”
What do we need to do?
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
2:34 pm
“Got any original thoughts cons?”
Yet another instance of unintended irony. Some of us would rather post links to articles than exchange simple sentences with you, GAL.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:34 pm
scout is not capable of original thoughts.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
crier,
Posting essays is boring too.
Keep it short and to the point.
Thanks.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
““Pastors pledge to defy IRS, preach politics from pulpit ahead of election”
Isn’t that already being done is some quarters?
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:37 pm
“Oh heel no it’s not. Think I’ll make some Saturday for the game. Seafood, sausage and chicken.”–FRED
That sounds unbelievably good.
I will bring plenty beer and cigars for the game! (for some of that gumbo!)
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:38 pm
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
Who wanked my name @ 2.29?
++++++++++++++++++++
That wasn’t you lol? I thought it was. I found it funny too and I don’t mean in a laughing at you but a laughing WITH you kind of way. But no longer. Name jacking is about the lowest scummiest thing one can do on a blog.
Jay will take care of it.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:39 pm
“scout is not capable of original thoughts.”–getalife
Yeah, he only repeats what The Daily Show and MSNBC tell him to say… and don’t forget Keith Olbermann… OH WAIT!
Rightwing Troll
September 20th, 2012
2:39 pm
“I am in favor of Romney’s policies
Ones that will lead to better economic growth that is good for everyone”
Mitten’s policies are the same policies enacted by W… can you point us to any of W’s (ergo Mitten’s) policies that actually lead to “better economic growth”???
TaxPayer
September 20th, 2012
2:39 pm
The annual median wage fell in 2010 for the second year in a row to $26,364 and the Republicans and their presidential candidate, Mitt, claim that those people making that wage are part of the problem. Why? Because in 2009 of the 8,662,393 filers with AGI’s between $25,000 and $30,000, 4,058,631 of them paid no federal income tax. Never mind the 4000 millionaires that paid no federal income tax… They earned their right to pay no income taxes while those people that made so much less… they’re the moochers that Mitt rants on about to the wealthiest.
Release your tax returns, Mitt. Let us not trust but verify instead what you are hiding or were hiding in Swiss Bank Accounts, etc.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:40 pm
USMC? YOU can make gumbo? I don’t believe you lol. What part of town are you in again? We may just have to have a gumbo cook off………
Speaking of which, when is the Stone Mountain Chili cook off?
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Very good USMC.
Original thinking with gumbo with the works and cigars.
Now we are talking.
Rightwing Troll
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Yeah, he only repeats what Rush and FOX tell him to say… and don’t forget Pillbo Limbaugh… OH WAIT! ”
There, I corrected your errors for you, now it’s a true statement…
DannyX
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Today’s censored by Drudge news
Historical! Clean sweep.
Mitt Romney was born in Michigan and has residences in Massachusetts, California and New Hampshire.
Paul Ryan is from Wisconsin.
Romney/Ryan currently trail in every single one of those states.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
crier,
Can you read?
++++++++++++++++++
No it would appear he can’t. Which makes it particularly hard to have a discussion with him.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Towncrier:
Yes but it’s picking up steam.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Scout,
Then we have another thing in common. If offered a night of wild sex with Jeri Ryan or a chance to pizz on Johnson’s grave…I’d have to think long and hard on that one and would likely pick pizzing on Johnson’s grave.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
2:43 pm
Towncrier — “I would say rather that you fail.”
Well, *of course* you would. (laughing)
“What he literally said was that no one got killed for making fun of Mormons. That is probably true, as I tried to intimate to you in my last post. But now you are showing your own ignorance. From the Wiki:
(snipped)
I married into a family that was LDS for five generations. So if you want to measure ignorance on the topic of the LDS, then let’s go, hotshot.
“Not quite the same as being made fun of, is it?”
Who said it was?
“I’m not playing this silly game of yours, today, my friend. Not worth my time.”
Oh, my friend, you’ve already gone and played it the moment you tried to speak for me. If it’s not worth your time, then kindly stop doing it.
“Now you are revealing your complete lack of objectivity and (how did you put it?) “tripping over [your] own crank”. How do you infer a “…mistaken guess about Mormons being all peaceful and unicorny and rainbowy and the like” from “…nobody has ever been harmed, much less killed, making fun of Mormons.”?
It’s quite simple. The author contrasts the “frenetic mob violence on the slimmest provocation” of Islam with a supposed peaceful and nonviolent group demeanor on the part of Mormons — which — if the author had any knowledge or early LDS church history — I doubt he would have argued for. It seems quite plain to me that the author is trying to display Islam and Mormonism as polar opposites in both their collective response to slights against their faith communities and in terms of how liberals view them (as if there was a single, state-approved liberal position on them).
The plain fact is — once again — that the LDS have a rather bloody early history, and IMO by not mentioning it and by portraying Mormons as some sort of antimatter-universe Muslims, the author is being dishonest and displaying *his own* lack of objectivity. Perhaps its just ignorance and lack of assiduous research on the author’s part, but by reading the comments, I’ve gleaned that the author seems to have something of an axe to grind against Muslims. So perhaps your criticism regarding lack of objectivity is being aimed in the wrong direction.
I’m not arguing that Muslims can be overly violent when they feel their faith is being threatened. I’m arguing that early LDS history shows the *same thing* and that the author either avoided mentioning it or is ignorant of it. Either way, that particular fail isn’t mine.
Now, if you want to talk about lack of objectivity, we can always go back to our first meeting, in which you excoriated me for holding a position I didn’t hold and for supporting an author I didn’t support (and hadn’t brought up). Quite frankly, I think you’re once again shooting first and asking questions later.
“All I can say is….bwahaahaaahaaa.”
Your concession and surrender are noted and appreciated.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
“USMC? YOU can make gumbo? I don’t believe you lol. What part of town are you in again? We may just have to have a gumbo cook off………
Speaking of which, when is the Stone Mountain Chili cook off?”–Fred
No Fred, I was attempting to offer you Beer and Cigars for some of your gumbo! Typical CON!
jconservative
September 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
The reason Romney has a problem with Obama being up in the polls a few points is that early voting starts soon. Real soon. Virginia Sept 22, Ohio October 2 and Florida October 22. If the Democrats get out their vote early, as they did in some critical states in 2008, being behind 5 points in the polls in Florida, Ohio and Virginia will cost Romney the election.
Very informative article by Major Garrett of the National Journal if you will check their site.
Romney is handing the election to Obama on a silver platter.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
getalife
What do we need to do?
#1 – Form a 3rd party with a coalition of the moderates of both parties and independents
#2 enact TAX REFORM
the tax system is the tool used to keep the 1% in power and in wealth
it is so complex that even the IRS cannot give accurate answers
because of this the PARTIES and the 1% use the system to maintain their wealth and power as the middle class falls from being able to live on 1 earner income to struggling on 2 earner incomes
#3 pool all of our money into credit unions / small banks
they have set up a system of debt and investment that give the 1% wealth and us nothing
the BIG BANK charge us money to keep our money in their bank so they can LEND it to the 1% at rates LOWER than we can get……….. we subsidize the rich with our banking habits………
Rightwing Troll
September 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
“On the GOP side of the ledger, 47 days is a long time in politics, and Romney still has three debates against Obama in which to turn things around. ”
They’ll probably want to cancel those debates, the less Mittens opens his pompous, out-of-touch pie hole, the better his chances will be…
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Stone Mountain Chili cook off?”
I went every year.
Did not try much chili but it is a party.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:45 pm
I’m down with everything USMC except them nasty assed cigars. Can’t stand them things although God knows I tried. Back when I used to smoke I think I tried every type of cigar there is. I even bought expensive cubans overseas and in Mexico and Canada. No dice. Cigars and Scotch. Never acquired a taste for either one.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Then we have another thing in common. If offered a night of wild sex with Jeri Ryan or a chance to pizz on Johnson’s grave…I’d have to think long and hard on that one and would likely pick pizzing on Johnson’s grave.”
Can I swap Jeri Ryan for Michele Bachmann??
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Towncrier:
Yes but it’s picking up steam.
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What do you think about it? Jesus CLEARLY states ‘My Kingdom is not of this world.”
I have a problem with churches being used as shelters for political action committees………
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
“I’m down with everything USMC except them nasty assed cigars. Can’t stand them things although God knows I tried. Back when I used to smoke I think I tried every type of cigar there is. I even bought expensive cubans overseas and in Mexico and Canada. No dice. Cigars and Scotch. Never acquired a taste for either one.”
Done! SON! I will bring you a pack of Getalife’s Kool cigarettes. Deal!
(
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:50 pm
jconservative
September 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
The reason Romney has a problem with Obama being up in the polls a few points is that early voting starts soon.
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Damn good point. And here in Georgia it starts 15th of October.
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
2:51 pm
USMC: You have to smoke outside lol. Let’s ask Oscar if he wants to come and we can all meet at the Hickory House on Northlake lol.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:53 pm
Uncle Sam,
That is great but this election is only two parties.
One votes for the wealthy you talking about and the other does too sometimes.
But only one party votes for the middle class for this election.
Your ideas are good ones for the future but this election is a few weeks away.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:53 pm
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
You do that and I’ll do McNamara’s !
USMC
September 20th, 2012
2:54 pm
“USMC: You have to smoke outside lol. Let’s ask Oscar if he wants to come and we can all meet at the Hickory House on Northlake lol.”
I don’t recall them serving GUMBO, Fred. Deal is off! LOL! But now that I think about it Hickory House is one of my all time favorites, so I will reconsider. We definitely need beer for the games!
Paul
September 20th, 2012
2:55 pm
Fred
Scotch runs the gamut from light, heathery, honeyed to peat bog and salt air.
Ever try any good single malts? Glenmorangie? Dalwhinnie?
USMC
“Can I swap Jeri Ryan for Michele Bachmann??”
You’d want to see those eyes every time you opened yours?
http://tinyurl.com/bvjkzfj
getalife
September 20th, 2012
2:55 pm
USMC,
Monte Cristo # 2 from Cuba and Crown on the rocks.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:56 pm
Fred:
“I have a problem with churches being used as shelters for political action committees………:
So do I but liberal and African-American churches have done it forever.
I have been “on duty” in some of those churches with political speakers during services and that was all that was talked about.
So ……………… time to take it all the way and both sides obey the rules one way or the other.
Partisay
September 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
Ever notice how late the cons are in getting on here in the mornings? You know what it is. They’re all watching the astute Doocie, Kilmeade & the voluptuous Gretchen….They’re so hot!!!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
Have you ever seen these ?
Once a Warrior King by David Donovan:
“If there was immorality in the war in Vietnam, it was that a democratic nation called her citizens to war, had them killed by the tens of thousands, and then, like a faithless lover, turned and scorned the survivors. Oh, perfidious nation!”
“I have the sense from time to time that I am not alone, and I suspect that despite the limited understanding we have of events in distant places, there will always be those among us who have the gleam of the quest in their eyes. They are people of every sex and station and they yearn to be challenged to a cause. They will always be looking for that wrong to right, that ill to cure, that song to sing; and there will always be those who will go to arms in aid of the helpless and the downtrodden. Ignoring the political issues of the moment, these people will champion the weak and the poor in the face of evil and tyranny. And no matter what the outcome, in their romantic hearts they will always keep the secret, if secret it must be, that they are better men for having held the lamp beside the golden door”.
Lord Help Us
September 20th, 2012
2:59 pm
‘Monte Cristo # 2 from Cuba and Crown on the rocks.’
Unfiltered Pall Mall and a PBR (h/t – my dear departed Grandma)
USMC
September 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
“You’d want to see those eyes every time you opened yours?”–Paul
LOL! Paul. That’s about what those eyes will look like to. LOL!
But don’t forget that sexy pose…
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-15/entertainment/30001029_1_michele-bachmann-straw-poll-picture
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
Off topic but this would be funny if it wasn’t so sad…I’m glad dr. Pepper doesn’t have any embassies…
http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2012/09/20/13990802-evolutionary-dr-pepper-ad-spurs-religious-kerfuffle?lite#__utma=14933801.1201914330.1342432682.1348159673.1348164592.81&__utmb=14933801.7.10.1348164592&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1346420808.53.3.utmcsr=nbcnews.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc|cover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=106131715
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
3:01 pm
USMC: We’ll meet at Hickory House for BREAKFAST, not the beer, gumbo and game lol
Paul: I’ve tried a plethora of scotch. I even own (and have for almost 10 years) an unopened bottle of Johnny Walker Blue. I just don’t like it.
Scout: I agree. Even it up.
And now I have to go cook. Ya’ll be cool.
Erwin's cat
September 20th, 2012
3:04 pm
Never mind the 4000 millionaires that paid no federal income tax…
It’s possible those millionaires lost more money than the made
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
3:04 pm
NORMAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! TINYURL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, I mean REALLY……….. http://tinyurl.com/
Look what happens to that unmanageable glop you posted……….
http://tinyurl.com/cyhjj9o
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
3:05 pm
Erwin’s cat
September 20th, 2012
3:04 pm
Never mind the 4000 millionaires that paid no federal income tax…
It’s possible those millionaires lost more money than the made
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Really? Did you have to think about that lol? You USED to post good stuff.
Paul
September 20th, 2012
3:06 pm
USMC
I notice you identified only with her pose…. nothing else…
Paul
September 20th, 2012
3:07 pm
Fred
Save the bottle of Blue for someone you want to score a whole lot of points with.
It’s like a get out of jail free card for life.
USMC
September 20th, 2012
3:07 pm
Obama administration FINALLY telling the truth that Benghazi was TERRORIST ATTACK!
Obama official: Benghazi was a terrorist attack
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/19/obama_official_benghazi_was_a_terrorist_attack
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
3:07 pm
getalife
bad news………… no matter how the election turns out……….. we have entered a LOST DECADE like Japan did in the early 1990’s
They had a real estate bubble and had an aging WWII population hit their retirement system………. (sound familiar)…………. when they had their crash….. they propped up the banks and did not let the markets remake the industry……… they did one stimulus after another to get the growth growing…….they paid out retirement and medical to the retirees with less workers…… they piled on debt until they now owe 200%+ of their GDP (proof we wont collapse)…. they moved production from their big companies to lower wage countries in Asia…………..and the LOST DECADE lasted almost 20 years…….. they are in a slow growth/job situation…………….
that is where we are headed and both parties are leading us there
it will only have to be intervention by the moderate middle class to take us off this trajectory
John 12202012 Birch
September 20th, 2012
3:08 pm
The Mayan prediction was right too. Obama gets re-elected in November and in December the world ends!
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:08 pm
getalife- They fight for the wealthy and you are not wealthy.
Democrats hate the wealthy.
They demand “equal opportunity” but vilify anyone who is successful.
Why do you bend over for them? Do you enjoy watching those who refuse to work benefit from your labor?
Paul
September 20th, 2012
3:09 pm
USMC
Pundits and politicians have the luxury of addressing rumors, suppositions, a little evidence or clues, unverified reports, with little chance of repercussion.
The Chief Executive – not so much.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
3:10 pm
“I’m not arguing that Muslims can [sic] be overly violent when they feel their faith is being threatened. I’m arguing that early LDS history shows the *same thing* and that the author either avoided mentioning it or is ignorant of it.”
And you are straining out a gnat, only to swallow a camel. Try to discredit the author’s column as much as you wish, the demonstrable fact remains that liberals have few qualms about brazenly ridiculing Christianity or Mormonism or Catholicism (but not, interestingly, Judaism), but are afraid or loathe to do the same to Islam. THAT is the broader thesis of the column. It has been shown time and again. And It represents a double standard and is hypocritical.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:12 pm
getalife- Why do you bow down for the wealthy when you are middle class?
What good will making them poor benefit anyone outside of satisfying your vendictive hate?
Fred ™
September 20th, 2012
3:14 pm
the demonstrable fact remains that liberals have few qualms about brazenly ridiculing Christianity or Mormonism or Catholicism
You are baptist aren’t you? The reason I ask is that almost everyone EXCEPT a Southern Baptist would consider Mormons and Catholics as Christians…………
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
3:15 pm
“What do you think about it? Jesus CLEARLY states ‘My Kingdom is not of this world.’ I have a problem with churches being used as shelters for political action committees…”
In the conservative churches I have attended in the past two or so decades, politics have never been preached or discussed.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
3:15 pm
Uncle Sam,
You are informed and you are correct.
Look how the tea party made the news and elected many in Congress.
They proved a movement can be done and can elect people with your thinking.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
3:18 pm
“You are baptist aren’t you?”
I am not.
“The reason I ask is that almost everyone EXCEPT a Southern Baptist would consider Mormons and Catholics as Christians…”
I wasn’t sifting wheat in that statement but just recalling particular attacks – Christianity in general, Catholics and now (with Romney running) Mormonism. I guess I could have said Baptists as well.
Towncrier
September 20th, 2012
3:19 pm
Alright…got to run.
Paul
September 20th, 2012
3:20 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
“’m not arguing that Muslims can be overly violent when they feel their faith is being threatened. I’m arguing that early LDS history shows the *same thing* and that the author either avoided mentioning it or is ignorant of it. ”
Really?!!? Joe, I’m rather taken aback by your characterization.
I believe the guy was making the point of the most probable response and the level of the response. What reading I’ve done on early LDS history shows a pretty restrained response. They were mobbed out of Missouri (the governor even signed an order to the militia telling them to drive out the mormons or exterminate every man, woman, and child) Wasn’t rescinded until 1976.
“U.S. Sen. Christopher S. “Kit” Bond, who as Missouri governor in 1976 rescinded the 1838 “extermination order,” authorizing the expulsion of Mormons from the state…You bet I’d do it again,” Bond declared regarding his rescission of Gov. Lilburn W. Boggs’ 1838 order. “The treatment of the Mormon people in Missouri in the 1830s and beyond was barbaric. Women were raped and tortured. Men were killed by mobs or driven out of state. Their property was stolen. The lucky ones were those who were left alive with nothing and were forced to make their way into a more hospitable state.”
What makes it especially hard to understand was that the barbarism was state-sanctioned, Bond said, adding that Boggs’ order made it legal to kill anyone who belonged to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
“What surprised me was that as late as 1976, the law was still on the books, though thankfully, it had not been enforced and nobody paid attention to it,” Bond said.
“We cannot change history, but we certainly ought to be able to learn from it and where possible acknowledge past mistakes,” he said. “That was what motivated me to rescind the extermination order in 1976.”
Then they got mobbed out of Illinois. Even when their leader was murdered they didn’t rise up and take arms and seek vengeance. Then when the US Army invaded the Utah territory they didn’t rise up in bloody defense.
Sure there were instances of some fighting back. Of tragic excesses. But those were one-off – not the sort of generalized, predictable response we see in the ME and Indonesia.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700036138/Former-Missouri-governor-honored-for-rescinding-Mormon-extermination-order.html?pg=all
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
September 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
Fred,
Thanks for the schooling. I’ll try it out!
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
scout- Consider the following facts about the city from which President Obama rose through the ranks of American public…
He should be sharing a bunk bed with Blagojevich for the next 7-14 years.
The one I actually feel sorry for is Roland Burris. I always liked him until all this BS broke out. Not sure he is another rat or just got caught up in this mess. Either way, he is damaged goods.
Wouldn’t be surprized if he ends up on someone’s ticket next election…
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:23 pm
getalife- No Americans are celebrating the death of Americans.
I would have sworn you were American. Are you here in the country legally?
getalife
September 20th, 2012
3:24 pm
jk,
I don’t hate my rich friends and they are doing better than ever.
They don’t need your help or my help.
Got it?
getalife
September 20th, 2012
3:26 pm
“I would have sworn you were American. Are you here in the country legally?”
I am a proud American supporting my President and country.
What are you doing psycho?
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:30 pm
jm- You look silly bowed down for the wealthy like mitt
obama is the expert on bowing to third world dictators.
I suggest you ask him for some pointers.
122 more days
September 20th, 2012
3:30 pm
Come Jan 20, 2013 President Romeny will man up and take responsibility for the mess that Bozo has created.
Bozo has had almost 4 years and still doesn’t know whatz going on and still blaming Bush.
Jimmy Carter was heads and shoulders better than Bozo.
getalife
September 20th, 2012
3:30 pm
The Libyans are honoring the Americans that we lost.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
3:30 pm
there’s a storm on the horizon
the middle class moderates are going to form a 3rd party
and put this country back to a land of opportunity
UNCLE SAMANTHA
September 20th, 2012
3:33 pm
does anyone really believe that a few muslim protestors in a foreign country represent ALL people of that country?
that would be like the a foreign country seeing news of the OCCUPY WALLSTREET crowd and think they represent ALL OF AMERICA
getalife
September 20th, 2012
3:33 pm
There will be no President robme.
Uncle Sam,
I look forward to it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 20th, 2012
3:33 pm
Mohammed rode his camel sidesaddle !
getalife
September 20th, 2012
3:34 pm
They are going to get you Scout.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
3:39 pm
Towncrier — “And you are straining out a gnat, only to swallow a camel.”
You’re pretty clearly positing an argument where there is none and missing the argument I’m presenting.
“Try to discredit the author’s column as much as you wish”
Tried, done, completed.
“the demonstrable fact remains that liberals have few qualms about brazenly ridiculing Christianity or Mormonism or Catholicism (but not, interestingly, Judaism), but are afraid or loathe to do the same to Islam.”
Your “demonstrable fact” is nothing of the sort and far from the axiomatic item you appear to think it is. Furthermore, your assertion of motivation (e.g. fear as the putative reason for your imagined herd behavior) is both unsupported and IMO, issues forth from your apparent personal dislike of liberals.
The article cites Hillary Clinton’s attendance and behavior at a performance of The Book Of Mormon earlier this year. Are we then to presume that Hillary Clinton’s behavior is not only a barometer of liberal sensibilities but also a roadmap for how other liberals are to behave? I can’t know your thoughts on the matter, but it certainly seems to me that that’s what both you and the author are saying.
“THAT is the broader thesis of the column. It has been shown time and again.”
Sorry, neither. You can cite individuals’ behavior all you like, but that doesn’t make that behavior universal or constant.
FWIW, I think you’ve been quite quick to take offense at comments antagonistic towards christianity here lately, and I’m not speaking of my own comments. I’ve made it quite clear here in the past that I’m perfectly content to leave people alone in the pursuit of their religious precept and practice and that I find *all* religions to be pretty much equally silly. However, to argue as the writer has done (and as you have supported) that one particular religion seems to axiomatically prefer violence and that another seems to axiomatically prefer peace seems to me to be quite self-serving. The author ignores the many examples — many dating back to 9/11 — in which Muslims expressed both regret for violence done by their faith brothers and sorrow for American losses. Conversely, the author also ignores the LDS’ early and bloody history, setting us up for — IMO — a very hypocritical and self-serving construct whereby Christian = good and Muslim = bad.
Shrug. From where I’m standing, Mr. Stephens might as well have allowed USMC to write his column for all the thought it appears he put into it.
“And It represents a double standard and is hypocritical.”
I think that presenting Mormons as universally peaceable is much the same. Perhaps you might consider reading up on the LDS’ early history; I think you’ll find plenty of material to make you reconsider that particular facet of the author’s argument.
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
3:47 pm
Paul — “Really?!!? Joe, I’m rather taken aback by your characterization.”
That’s why I ask folks like Towncrier not to speak for me. Folks usually guess wrong.
“I believe the guy was making the point of the most probable response and the level of the response. What reading I’ve done on early LDS history shows a pretty restrained response. They were mobbed out of Missouri (the governor even signed an order to the militia telling them to drive out the mormons or exterminate every man, woman, and child) Wasn’t rescinded until 1976.”
Move forward a bit in time and see how the Mormons behaved in the Utah Territory. The Mountain Meadows massacre involves the deliberate ambush and slaughter of the adults and most children in a party of settlers; the youngest children were distributed to Mormon households and raised as Mormons, and most were never told about their birth parents. Mormon leadership blamed local Indians for the massacre, but church records and correspondence prove otherwise.
Also look for an instance in which Mormon militias directly attacked a formation of US Army cavalry.
“Then they got mobbed out of Illinois. Even when their leader was murdered they didn’t rise up and take arms and seek vengeance.”
I’m not saying that they weren’t mistreated on their move westward, but I AM saying that when they got to Utah, they treated others as poorly as they themselves had been treated.
“Then when the US Army invaded the Utah territory they didn’t rise up in bloody defense.”
Well, yes and no.
“Sure there were instances of some fighting back. Of tragic excesses. But those were one-off – not the sort of generalized, predictable response we see in the ME and Indonesia.”
As I said earlier, I don’t excuse the Muslim overreactions we often see — but I sometimes wonder why cons refuse to acknowledge the existence of moderate Muslims who express sorrow, regret and solidarity — even with Americans — when their brothers and sisters engage in such excess.
FWIW, I don’t think that EITHER the Muslims or the Mormons are all good or all bad. And I think that we have a few posters who *do* think of one as always good and the other as always bad. That sort of mindset and thinking pattern helps no one IMO.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
getalife- I don’t hate my rich friends and they are doing better than ever.
LIAR! They are evil and you hate them.
Make them pay!
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
3:56 pm
getalife- I am a proud American supporting my President and country.
If you are proud of it, why are you trying to “radically transform” it?
If our president was any good at all, you wouldn’t have to spend all your time telling us how bad you think Romney is. Our embassies are bing attacked and all you can say is “look at what Romney said!”
Erwin's cat
September 20th, 2012
3:59 pm
Fred – Really? Did you have to think about that lol? You USED to post good stuff.
This topic is tired
Jay
September 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
Erwin, there’s another post upstairs.
JKL2
September 20th, 2012
4:04 pm
Joe- “Then they got mobbed out of Illinois. Even when their leader was murdered they didn’t rise up and take arms and seek vengeance.”
Their militia outnumbered the Army 4:1. They thought it would be better to leave then actually starting a war. Nobody “mobbed” them out of anywhere.
Krystal'sBalls
September 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
And see… with one comment about gumbo , which then turned into cigars and scotch we can see if just for a moment how those who would claw each others’ eyes out over a political or social position can become instantly communal in a moment of fellowship, caring not about their differences. And to think people take swipes at Occupiers for seemingly enjoying sitting together and sharing a fat doobie.
Oh well, back to the bloodbath….
Joe Hussein Mama
September 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
JKL, Paul said that, not me. I only quoted him.
Paul
September 20th, 2012
5:42 pm
Joe
I obliquely referred to events as Mountain Meadows – but the overarching point is this occurred years after Missouri and was not part of a generalized pattern as we see in the ME. Tellingly, I’ve found when people are asked to name instances of Mormon violent response, they cite Mountain Meadows and then go ‘and… ummmm….. lemme think…” As I said, in nearly any group over a couple hundred years you’ve going to find instances. Question is, is it the norm or an aberration?
“I’m not saying that they weren’t mistreated on their move westward, but I AM saying that when they got to Utah, they treated others as poorly as they themselves had been treated.”
I think that flies in the face of history. To be true, one would have to make the case Mormons in Utah raped and tortured and murdered nonMormon settlers, burned their farms killed the men and Brigham Young would have had to have issued a decree to drive all the nonMormons out or kill them all.
Because that’s what happened in Missouri. And absent the government decree, that’s what was shaping up in Illinois before they left and went west.
I do appreciate you continued willingness to see shades of gray instead of what we see here so often – all black or all white. It gets back to what I was getting at earlier – how do the scales fall when all is weighed. Moe the historian’s view of things.
Paul
September 20th, 2012
5:43 pm
JKL2
Not much of an historian, are you?
Just Saying..
September 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
“The media is in overdrive to keep anything negative from Obama and to work as hard as they can to position Romney negatively. It’s now an all out push, no pretense, just partisanship”
I hear Hanger 51 is showing this weekend…
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
September 20th, 2012
7:46 pm
Interestingly enough, my polls still have Romney up significantly, as well as Republicans up and down the ticket. As I have written before, I wonder who is correct?
Mick
September 20th, 2012
8:41 pm
**But GOP candidates all over the country are explicitly rejecting those remarks, running from them like Japanese villagers fleeing Godzilla.**
Nice imagery…
a. l. west
September 21st, 2012
10:44 am
Go to c-span.org to listen to rommey’s video 5/14/12 For any of you who doubt Rommey said 47% of Americans do not pay income tax and consider themselves victims and feel they are ENTITLED(spoken loudly by rommey) to healthcare, food, medicare, medicaid (pays for seniors disabled health and nursing homes and health for children for 26% of 47% of low earners without healthcare or need foodstamps to help them put food in their childrens mouth. 41% of Georgians. seniors. veterans low earners etc(whites , they are talking about you too(only 15 of U.S. total populations are black) so do not believe republicans are caring about anything but your vote. Write in other names after you check the voting records on your repubican senators, they voted with filibuster mcconnel on 364 votes i.e voting against veterans jobs and bill taking tax cuts from corporations taking your jobs overseas and give to small business/corporations who hire here in U.S. Go to C-span.org to check your republican/democrat vote and you. All republicans voted for Ryan’s budget, read it on c-span.org, see if you want everything cut from you and your family to give more tax cuts to millionaires.
Look at ads lying about democrats, Rove of crossroads said he has 1 billion dollars of unidentified donors to elect more republicans, Wisconsin Koch Bros, American prosperity also is spending billions for the same purpose. U.S. Chamber of commerce who represent corporations are buying ads to get rid of democrats because they voted to give corp./small business who hire in the U> S> the tax cut.
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