Romney, Obama and the politics of redistribution

The more I think about Mitt Romney telling his fellow 1 percenters that 47 percent of their fellow Americans are in effect leeches content to live off the work of others, the more bothered I am by it. Most of those 47 percent are hard-working people struggling to raise families and build a life under conditions that Romney has never experienced, and the lack of empathy it reveals is disturbing.

His running mate, Paul Ryan, said yesterday that Romney had been “obviously inarticulate” in those statements, but as anybody who has seen the video can attest, quite the opposite is true. In expressing those views, Romney was far more natural and articulate than in almost any of his public appearances to date.

Romney is now trying to reverse the tables, citing a 1998 audiotape featuring Barack Obama.

“There’s a tape that came out today where the president’s saying he likes redistribution,” Romney said on Fox News. “I disagree. I think a society based upon a government-centered nation where government plays a larger and larger role, redistributes money, that’s the wrong course for America, that will not build a stronger America, or help people out of poverty.”

Here’s that audio:

For those who can’t listen, Obama talks about a propaganda effort against the idea of government action, and he concedes that in some cases that criticism has been deserved, citing the Chicago Housing Authority and Chicago school system as institutions “that have not been a model of good policy-making.”

“I think that what we’re going to have to do is somehow resuscitate the notion that government action can be effective at all…. I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution — because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

Personally, I agree fully with Obama. When a poor kid goes to a public school financed by property taxes on homes that his family could never afford, that is an example of redistribution of wealth, “at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

When that same kid is given a free breakfast and lunch because her homelife is too dysfunctional to provide her adequate nutrition, that too is redistribution of wealth. When some 60 percent of American seniors rely on Medicaid to pay their nursing home bills because they’ve run through their own savings, that is a case of redistribution of wealth. When low-income students rely on federal Pell grants to help finance the college education that could lift them and their families out of that 47 percent, that is redistribution. And when unemployed workers — most of them people of pride and character displaced by forces much larger than themselves — are forced to turn to food stamps to feed their families and perhaps stave off foreclosure on their homes, well, that too is redistribution of wealth.

Although Romney likes to keep such discussions at a theoretical level — at the theoretical level there are no human consequences — his basic distaste for redistribution would have very practical consequences if he is elected president. He and Ryan have each proposed serious reductions in most of the programs outlined above, in part to make budget room for tax cuts for those who shared that $50,000-a-plate fundraiser in Boca Raton with him.

Romney’s decision to highlight the Obama tape above is being described by some in the press as an effort to change the subject, but it isn’t. It is the same issue being described in a slightly different fashion, and it’s a discussion that the American people need to hear and participate in.

– Jay Bookman

460 comments Add your comment

Jackie

September 19th, 2012
11:58 am

More actions taken by our so-called conservatives Senators and Representatives, who claim to “support our troops.”

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/13/murray-blasts-gop-for-blocking-vets-jobs-bill.html?ESRC=careers.nl

Trolls Bane

September 19th, 2012
12:04 pm

It brings to mind a quote from a famous (or imfamous) person in history, Marie Antoinette … Let them eat cake

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
12:04 pm

Embed needs tweaking, Jay.

In the Middle

September 19th, 2012
12:06 pm

Didn’t we just go through this four years ago with the whole “Joe the Plumber” thing?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

September 19th, 2012
12:07 pm

America is based on the redistribution of wealth.

Always has been.

Without it you just get a bunch of Rockefellers and trust fund babies.

The American way is to earn your way. Not become rich because your parents were.

And as far as the whole 47 percent notion. How out of touch is this guy.

Most poor people I know work their backsides off. Sometimes at 2 or 3 jobs.

Where are all these people leeching ? Ill be damned if I can find em.

I drive by low income housing every morning on the way to work and you now what I see.

A helluva lot of people waiting for the bus to take them to work.

M

September 19th, 2012
12:08 pm

Examples of redistribution: every government expenditure, ever.

See also: progressive taxation system.

Peadawg

September 19th, 2012
12:08 pm

Neither comment/video sounds particularly appetizing imo. Scores 0-0 on this one.

Common Sense

September 19th, 2012
12:08 pm

“When a poor kid goes to a public school financed by property taxes on homes that his family could never afford, that is an example of redistribution of wealth”

At least we are not fooling ourselves any more by calling it an investment.

getalife

September 19th, 2012
12:08 pm

Yes, drudgey is part of the romney campaign like fox news.

A video from 1998 vs a video of 2012.

A desperate attempt to change the subject.

Class of '98

September 19th, 2012
12:09 pm

“An effort to change the subject”???? By ROMNEY?!?!?!

I guess all is well in the Middle East now. The mainstream media would NEVER try to change the subject from Obama’s abject foreign policy failure there, would they?

Romney is trying to change the subject?? Unreal. Liberal hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

SBinf

September 19th, 2012
12:10 pm

Romney is having a really bad summer/fall. Perhaps it’s proof that, as my mama says, ‘God don’t like ugly.’

M

September 19th, 2012
12:10 pm

Class of ‘98…

Sounds like you’re changing the subject.

Kentucky

September 19th, 2012
12:10 pm

Obama and Romney – two losers. Choose your poison.

RB from Gwinnett

September 19th, 2012
12:11 pm

Spin it Jay!

Did it really take the DNC this long to get you these talking points?? Somebody is slipping.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

September 19th, 2012
12:12 pm

The mainstream media would NEVER try to change the subject from Obama’s abject foreign policy failure there, would they?

Please list the failures as you see them. Any order will do.

Or are you just repeating something you’ve heard over and over in the conservative media ?

Just sayin'.....

September 19th, 2012
12:14 pm

Why does Obama think we should all be happy striving to be in the [proverbial] ‘middle class’?? He and his cronnies are in the upper class, thanks to our generous contributions of taxes and the money they’ve borrowed over Uncle Sam’s signature. I want to be in the Upper Class, too–only I want to earn it through free enterprise, not through government selection of winners and losers. Seriously, people. Can we introduce some common sense here?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
12:17 pm

I guess all is well in the Middle East now. The mainstream media would NEVER try to change the subject from Obama’s abject foreign policy failure there, would they?

We talk about the middle east, then conservatives b!tch that we are changing the subject from domestic issues.

We talk about domestic issues, then conservatives b!tch that we change the subject from the middle east.

So no matter what we talk about, some conservatives are just b!tches.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

September 19th, 2012
12:17 pm

I want to be in the Upper Class, too–only I want to earn it through free enterprise,

Then do it like Obama did.

He made all his money from a couple of bestselling books.

Let me know when you’ve got a publisher lined up.

TaxPayer

September 19th, 2012
12:18 pm

Well, I need to get Captain Kirk to beam me a Romulan decoder ring because I don’t understand the hidden message that was supposedly contained in his words to the wealthiest. It sounded like more of the same talk from him about “those people” to me.

getalife

September 19th, 2012
12:18 pm

France published the cartoon insulting Mohammad so it is their turn now for protests.

Jim163

September 19th, 2012
12:18 pm

There is a proper way to redistribute, it’s called Charity and it is not forced upon you.

stoobydoo

September 19th, 2012
12:18 pm

nice job of explaining the full context of the Obama tape. Why didn’t you do that for Romney’s comments? Romney doesn’t talk about “not worrying” about 47% of Americans – he is talking about the staunch 47% of Americans that he is unlikely to change their minds because they are on the receiving end of tax-payer funded “help”. Why would they vote to “bite the hand that feeds them”? That is good logic. Romney instead focuses on where he CAN be effective – those that are not loyal, bought and paid for, democrat voters. That is what an executive does – focuses on where they can be effective.

example – is it a better use of time to try and persuade Jesse Jackson to vote Republican or better to spend time on somebody that is undecided? Answer is obvious where the better return on time spent is.

Free lunches end up in the trash – my wife works at APS – its a waste of money – sure sounds nice and cuddly though doesn’t it? Pell grants for college are great, but a college education without available jobs is a waste of money. Medicaid is insolvent – avg person pays in $125K and takes out $300K+ – how long exactly do you think that will last?

I agree with redistribution too – I think we should redistribute the electoral college votes. I think California and NY have more than their “fair share”- how about we redistribute those to states with rising populations – like Utah or Texas? How does redistribution sound now?

Progress

September 19th, 2012
12:20 pm

Here is where most of the 47% who pay no taxes reside: http://taxfoundation.org:81/article/states-vary-widely-number-tax-filers-no-income-tax-liability

Out of the top 10 states with residents who pay no taxes, 8 are the reddest of the red states, and only one is blue. Republicans need to stop mooching off of all us taxpayers.

Trolls Bane

September 19th, 2012
12:21 pm

Romney just told the truth to his supporters (the ones he counts on for campaign $). I guess someone forgot to insure that no one in the room, including the servers (who are a part of the much distained 47%) had a camera.

Who are the real leaches on society? The people that serve you at Red Lobster and barely make ends meet? The people working in the manufacturing plant for $10 per hour (whom have a tendancy to vote republican)? The mechanic that works on your car? Or the wall street bankers? The CEO’s who do nothing other than play golf, and talk on the phone?

getalife

September 19th, 2012
12:21 pm

class,

Yes, the ME is going through change now so not the time to change leaders.

Just sayin'.....

September 19th, 2012
12:21 pm

“He made all his money from a couple of bestselling books” said Grits.

Obama did make all his money through books that were written over his signature, which means the entertainment and amusement industry. But still, does he work harder than actors? Is he smarter than Brad Pitt? I say no to both questions.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
12:21 pm

My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone who works at APS.

Class of '98

September 19th, 2012
12:23 pm

I’m not changing the subject, I’m changing the subject BACK… to Middle East.

It was the mainstream media who changed FROM the Middle East two days ago.

This is the way it works… a year-old video surfaces of Romney saying some controversial things, and the mainstream media immediately forgets they are any diplomatic issues occuring in the Middle East.

When a conservatives says, “Hey, wait a minute. What about this crisis over here we were focused on? You know, our ambassodors are being murdered by angry mobs”, he gets accused of “changing the subject”.

getalife

September 19th, 2012
12:25 pm

I am for cutting welfare for the wealthy and corporate.

Trickle up redistribution is government waste.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
12:26 pm

This is the way it works…

…go to blogsot.com
…create your own blog
…choose the subject that you wish to discuss.

See how easy that can be?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 19th, 2012
12:26 pm

SO…..subsidies to oil companies are also …..redistribution?

The government bailout of BAIN was also redistribution?

Apparently redistribution is not ok…..
if it goes to “you people” or “those people”

BUT redstribution IS ok if it goes to “the right sort of people?”

I think that about somes it up.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 19th, 2012
12:27 pm

make that SUMS it up.

Tealiban Party

September 19th, 2012
12:27 pm

I seem to recall the cons accusing President Obama of instigating class warfare. This argument has been made moot, thanks to Romney’s video which exposes the GOP’s shadowy, disdainful attitude toward the classes.

Don't Tread

September 19th, 2012
12:27 pm

I’m all for a hand “up”, but not a handout. All these people who thing “redistribution” is a good idea to support the leeches of society should be required to provide for the leeches themselves. Then we’d see who agrees with “redistribution”.

RB from Gwinnett

September 19th, 2012
12:28 pm

“The CEO’s who do nothing other than play golf, and talk on the phone?”

I believe this is one of our major problems. Way too many liberals think all rich people were given what they have, cheated people out of it, or don’t actually work for it.

In short, they’re dumb as a box of rocks. And there you have one of the 47% Romney shouldn’t waste his time on.

bookman parrot

September 19th, 2012
12:29 pm

Jay,
You finally convinced me; everyone should get the exact same thing/amount, no matter what they do or don’t do. now i can quit working and live off you and Barack’s income. sounds good.

Simple Truths

September 19th, 2012
12:29 pm

Jay, in your last post, you indicate we need to raise taxes and cut spending. In this post, you turn around and go bonkers when someone proposes a cut to spending. You don’t even agree with yourself.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 19th, 2012
12:29 pm

Class of ‘98

September 19th, 2012
12:23 pm

” a year-old video surfaces of Romney saying some controversial things”

.
.
.
.It was in May.

The class of 74 knows there are 12 months in a year

TaxPayer

September 19th, 2012
12:29 pm

King Selassie

September 19th, 2012
12:29 pm

I refuse to listen to people who inherited wealth from their parents tell me about working harder or pulling up my bootstraps when they have no idea what it is like in these boots. As far as I know Harry Reid is telling the truth until Mitt can prove he is a liar. The sad thing is that the other 47% is going to vote for Mitt “no matter what”, regardless of how he belittles and berates them.

Mick

September 19th, 2012
12:30 pm

Redistribution today, tomorrow, and forever! That word automatically switches the conned brain into thoughts of communists, socialists etc..of course they don’t have enough sense to realize that by granting their sacred tax cuts to the wealthiest among us, that deficit needs to be made up by slashing or eliminating services for the vast majority of the 95 percenters (us). The water carriers will be screaming and foaming at the mouth just by the mere mention of redistribution…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
12:30 pm

In short, they’re dumb as a box of rocks. And there you have one of the 47% Romney shouldn’t waste his time on.

And there’s your sign.

Filter

September 19th, 2012
12:31 pm

OK JIM163,

Which charity do you propose to finish the paving of 285 this weekend?

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
12:31 pm

Just sayin’….. @ 12:21:

Gotta ask you to create a different screen name.
Check posts as far back as you’re able.

Lily

September 19th, 2012
12:33 pm

Considering that wealth has been redistributed UPWARD since 1979, I think it’s time for a change and the pendulum to swing the other direction.

http://rwer.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/25-graphics-showing-upward-redistribution-of-income-and-wealth-in-usa-since-1979/

King Selassie

September 19th, 2012
12:33 pm

When my tax rate goes up and Mitt gets deductions for the 13% that he should have paid, that is also income redistribution, not wealth envy!

larry

September 19th, 2012
12:34 pm

Why does everyone think the income tax was re-instituted into law by President Taft?

For income redistribution.

Signed into law by a Republican.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

September 19th, 2012
12:35 pm

Obama did make all his money through books that were written over his signature, which means the entertainment and amusement industry. But still, does he work harder than actors? Is he smarter than Brad Pitt? I say no to both questions.

I say yes to both questions. Where does that leave us ?

getalife

September 19th, 2012
12:35 pm

The gop could not even cut the big oil redistribution when they are making record profits.

The first cuts should be wealthy and corporate welfare. Period.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

September 19th, 2012
12:36 pm

Jay,
You finally convinced me; everyone should get the exact same thing/amount, no matter what they do or don’t do. now i can quit working and live off you and Barack’s income. sounds good.

Strawman. Nobody is saying that.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

September 19th, 2012
12:38 pm

The mainstream media would NEVER try to change the subject from Obama’s abject foreign policy failure there, would they?

Please list the failures as you see them. Any order will do.

Or are you just repeating something you’ve heard over and over in the conservative media ?

I’m still waiting on that list …..

Jay

September 19th, 2012
12:39 pm

Simple, as you may recall from the earlier post, I support a policy of both spending cuts AND tax hikes. The hikes are necessary to reduce the scale of cuts that will be required and to make them tolerable.

Romney’s plan is to CUT taxes, which would necessitate spending cuts on a scale that would not be tolerable and would wreak very real damage on the lives and futures of millions of Americans.

Personally, I think that’s an important distinction.

Class of '98

September 19th, 2012
12:41 pm

How many dead ambassadors would convince you, cheesy grits?

Jim163

September 19th, 2012
12:42 pm

Filter obviously you are ignorant to the argument. I never said that there are not legitimate purposes for Government and taxation. Redistribution is not legitimate.

Jm

September 19th, 2012
12:44 pm

Jay I can tell you from experience that no one ever says exactly what they’re thinking at any of these fundraisers

They’re always pitches telling people what they want to hear, or nothing of substance

M

September 19th, 2012
12:47 pm

Let’s say it together: all government expenditures are redistribution. If you pay taxes (ANY taxes) and they get spent on someone who is not you, that money has been redistributed.

The poster previoulsy known as Just Sayin'....

September 19th, 2012
12:47 pm

Hey Grits — Would love to waste more of my time visiting with you from your Mom’s basement, but I have work to do. If you think Obama is smarter than Brad Pitt, and works harder than him, too, then you are clearly koolaid drunk.

Chris Sanchez

September 19th, 2012
12:47 pm

Jay:

So is it raise taxes and cut spending or just raise taxes? Is our government spending above the nation’s means or not. You can’t have it both ways. Going back to Clinton’s tax rates is fine by me IF we also return to the same spending levels. Just remember there is no internet bubble to running rampant right now to fund all of that spending so while it might be an improvement, the budget will still be in deficit. We cannot borrow forever, the Fed cannot print enough money, and there is only so much output that can be taxed. Sooner or later liberals are going to have to make cuts to entitlement programs (defense will have to be cut to as much in spite of conservatives who say they will do otherwise). How about some intellectual honesty Jay? You’re worse than Fox News for the libs!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 19th, 2012
12:47 pm

There is a proper way to redistribute, it’s called Charity and it is not forced upon you.

Well, amen, brother! I like it when I get these calls and the mail asking me to donate and I can say “F___ you and the horse you rode in on!”

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
12:48 pm

Romney is a 47%er. He said so to Newt Gingrich during the debates. He paid NO INCOME TAXES the past two years… only cap gains taxes. He is a leach on society and should be euthanized, because clearly he (and his supporters) has trouble taking responsibility for his pathetic presidential campaign.

Jm

September 19th, 2012
12:48 pm

Jay 12:39

Misrepresentation

He said cut rates, keep revenue neutral via elimination of deductions

For principles

September 19th, 2012
12:49 pm

Romney and Obama both believe in redistributing people’s wealth. They both believe in the welfare state. They both support taxation to steal money from the productive sector to give to those who will vote for them. They both support the criminal Federal Reserve that was set up specifically to transfer wealth from the middle class and poor to the banking cartels. They both support the drug war that creates a monopoly for big Pharma thus insuring huge profits, transfers huge amounts of wealth to govenrment employees in the prison, court, and law enforcement sectors. They both support the ongoing wars and ridiculous spending on an overbloated military that transfers wealth to the arms dealers, the military contractors, the Halliburtons and Blackwater’s of the world, and of course the banking sector. They both support government manipulation of the health care economy which puts trillions in the pockets of monopolies from the medical profession, the insurance profession, and the hospital sector. The list could go on and on.

Both men are statists. They represent everything that is wrong with this country. They are both redistributionists – the only issue is who is redistributed TO.

Neither of them deserves anyone’s vote in November. If there is not a better candidate on your ballot to vote for, then just don’t vote. You certainly don’t want to endorce even the lesser of two evils.

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
12:49 pm

Class of ‘98
September 19th, 2012:12:41 pm-How many dead ambassadors would convince you, cheesy grits?

How many dead GIs will make you happy, Class of ‘98?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
12:50 pm

He said cut rates, keep revenue neutral via elimination of deductions

Except you can’t AND still close the budget deficit. In fact, the deficit gets larger when you do that. Unless you cut hard. And they don’t want to do that either unless it’s to a social program.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 19th, 2012
12:50 pm

Jim163

So redistributing some of your tax money to resurface 285 is not legitimate? Because, that is redistribution.

Very very simple concept.

Take from Jim163, give to schools.

Take from Jim163, give to airports.

Take from Jim163, give to Fire Department.

See how that works?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
12:50 pm

How many dead GIs will make you happy, Class of ‘98?

As many as it takes. Why do you ask?

M

September 19th, 2012
12:52 pm

Brad Pitt: Missouri School of Journalism

Barack Obama: Columbia, Harvard

Brad Pitt: Actor

Barack Obama: Hardest Job in the World

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
12:53 pm

Jm
September 19th, 2012
12:44 pm-Jay I can tell you from experience that no one ever says exactly what they’re thinking at any of these fundraisers
They’re always pitches telling people what they want to hear, or nothing of substance

Jm: And that subject is addressed, to neither Party’s credit, in this NY Times column:

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/douthat-our-revolting-elites/?hp

Jm

September 19th, 2012
12:53 pm

Brad Pitt? He’s not too bright.

Obama being smarter than Pitt is like saying he also happens to be taller than Mini-Me. So is 99.9% of the population.

Mick

September 19th, 2012
12:53 pm

jm

Another day, another romneybasm…sorry but he just doesn’t have what it takes, but he does have plenty of money. He’ll still enjoy life…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
12:54 pm

Chris Sanchez

September 19th, 2012
12:47 pm

Jay:

So is it raise taxes and cut spending or just raise taxes?

So, do you ever think to read through the comments before spouting off or just spouting off without reading?

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
12:56 pm

ByteMe – Got ilk?
September 19th, 2012
12:50 pm
How many dead GIs will make you happy, Class of ‘98?

As many as it takes. Why do you ask?

Who from your family volunteers next?

getalife

September 19th, 2012
12:56 pm

It did not work because Americans know all the rw does is lie.

That pesky credibility thingie.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
12:56 pm

Who from your family volunteers next?

You know that was sarcasm on my part, right? I was answering honestly for Class of ‘98. Ask him who in his family volunteers to be cannon fodder.

JamVet

September 19th, 2012
12:58 pm

OK, for you Republican freeloaders in the 47%:

Raise your hand if you:

went to a public college or university

work for government (i.e., cops, teachers, firefighters, military, social workers, librarians, school janitors, judges, court reporters, bus drivers, etc),

borrow books from a public library,

work for or own stock in a defense contractor,

get your electricity or water from a government-owned utility,

went to, or send your kids to, public school,

ride on government-run buses, subways or light-rail,

use or work for the post office,

went to college on the GI Bill, Pell Grant, state financial aid program,

are retired and get Social Security payments,

ever used food stamps,

lived in public housing or had a Section 8 voucher,

used a wheelchair ramp mandated by the Americans for Disability Act,

get your health care from the Veterans Administration hospital,

go boating or fishing in a government-run lake,

have a job whose workplace is safer because of OSHA rules

work for a company or nonprofit organization that has a contract with the local, county, state or federal government

have a family member who depends on a government-subsidized home health care aide,

pay for your medicine and medical care with Medicaid,

got a tax subsidy for your mortgage interest and/or property taxes,

recycle your garbage through your city’s sanitation department,

took a vacation in a national or state park,

own a family- or corporate-owned farm that is irrigated by a government-owned dam,

played baseball or soccer or used the see-saw or swings in a public park or playground,

got your polio and other vaccination shots at your public school,

traveled with a government-issued passport,

used an elevator inspected for safety by the local building department,

eat food inspected for safety by the U.S. Department of Agriculture,

went to a restaurant inspected by the local Health Department,

were helped by a police officer, park ranger or firefighter,

have a savings account in a bank regulated by the Federal Deposit insurance Corporation

flew on an airplane inspected by the Federal Aviation Administration

M

September 19th, 2012
12:59 pm

JamVet,

I did ALL those things with NO help from ANYONE.

/gigglez

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
12:59 pm

Sorry, ByteMe-Got ilk. Spend so much time in Kyle’s blog, it sounded straight-up.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
1:00 pm

Ross “Chunky Reese Witherspoon” Douthat?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Captain Midnight

September 19th, 2012
1:01 pm

“Where are all these people leeching ? Ill be damned if I can find em”
I’ll help you..
Go to any wal-mart on the southside of town and when you get to the checkout line look for the woman (and her momma usually,no man of course) with 1-4 children (2 of which will have been born after the recession started so no excuse there) and the grocery cart FULL of “nutritious” food in tow. Now watch and wait (not for long) for the little green EBT card with the peaches on it to get swiped with one hand (The I-phone is in the other of course) like a Visa gold card. You wanna see leeches?, they’re not hard to spot.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
1:02 pm

Spend so much time in Kyle’s blog, it sounded straight-up.

well, I did try to dead-pan it without the emoticons. Sounded more realistic that way.

Quadruple standard

September 19th, 2012
1:02 pm

I guess this blog no longer cares about getting tapes with missing minutes. Good to know

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
1:03 pm

Go to any wal-mart on the southside of town and when you get to the checkout line look for the woman (and her momma usually,no man of course) with 1-4 children (2 of which will have been born after the recession started so no excuse there

Let me guess: you’re also against abortion for birth control, right?

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
1:03 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012:1:00 pm-Ross “Chunky Reese Witherspoon” Douthat?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thug: I see you are too well informed to read…

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
1:04 pm

I guess this blog no longer cares about getting tapes with missing minutes.

Ooohh, the conspiracy theory presents itself. Feel free to post a link to your version. Just make sure someone in it says “hummina-hummina” at least once to indicate their planet of origin.

EJ Moosa

September 19th, 2012
1:04 pm

“SO…..subsidies to oil companies are also …..redistribution?”

I don’t want subsidies to oil companies either. Let’s cut all redistribution, and then go from there.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
1:05 pm

Go to any wal-mart on the southside of town…

No, no, no, no, they’re at the Whole Foods with grocery carts filled with prom dresses.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 19th, 2012
1:05 pm

Let’s cut all redistribution, and then go from there.

Yeah, ’cause who needs roads and bridges and schools anyway!!! Certainly not the conned, they already have all the “facts” they need.

getalife

September 19th, 2012
1:06 pm

Went to Wal Mart, saw people shopping, minded my own business.

Turned on C Span and watched gop hand out more wealthy and corporate welfare.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 19th, 2012
1:06 pm

Harry Reid on the floor of the senate today:

“For all we know, Mitt Romney could be one of those who have paid no federal income taxes”

Give ‘em hell Harry!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 19th, 2012
1:06 pm

Thug: I see you are too well informed to read…

I am informed well enough not to read crap, sport.

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
1:06 pm

“Where are all these people leeching ? Ill be damned if I can find em”
I’ll help you..
Go to any wal-mart on the southside of town and when you get to the checkout line look for the woman (and her momma usually,no man of course) with 1-4 children (2 of which will have been born after the recession started so no excuse there) and the grocery cart FULL of “nutritious” food in tow. Now watch and wait (not for long) for the little green EBT card with the peaches on it to get swiped with one hand (The I-phone is in the other of course) like a Visa gold card. You wanna see leeches?, they’re not hard to spot.

Captain Midnight: Is this comment part of your daily Walk-with-Jesus?
Or just the plain you?

Aquagirl

September 19th, 2012
1:08 pm

You wanna see leeches?, they’re not hard to spot.

And just how much of our deficit are these leeches responsible for?

If we could magically erase all those babymamas and their leechy kids, how much would we save?

Let’s hear a dollar amount. I bet you don’t have the faintest idea, it’s all about your outraged fee-fees, noticeably directed toward the leeches “on the southside.”

stoobydoo

September 19th, 2012
1:09 pm

JamVet – good points there. Now let me ask you – have you ever bought something on credit that you knew you would never ever be able to pay back? Knowing it would ruin your credit score and knowing that it would eventually leave you flat broke?

Didn’t think so.

Your list is great – but if we can’t afford them – we must either do without or scale back. Here’s the math:

$1.3 Trillion = the entire cost of running the gov’t – including the military every year
$2.3 Trillion – Social Security/ Medicare/medicare/ and interest on the debt

we take in $2.3 Trillion in taxes – leaving us $1.3 Trillion short.

Raise your hand if you know that is unsustainable.

Jm

September 19th, 2012
1:10 pm

Mitt Romney yard sign spotted

Just Saying..

September 19th, 2012
1:10 pm

“I am informed well enough not to read crap, sport.”

I am a sporting guy. Just won a bet on your response…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 19th, 2012
1:10 pm

Captain Midnight

Did I miss the part about no sex during a recession?

Holy Crap!

Mr. G and I are in deep doo doo.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

September 19th, 2012
1:11 pm

Common: At least we are not fooling ourselves any more by calling it an investment.

Actually it IS an investment. Not every person, out of that housing project OR out of a middle class home, is going to succeed; however each will be given the same opportunity. With that opportunity perhaps only 45% will succeed, or if you like let’s say 47% and that is an investment in our, America’s, future.

cause lets face it — rich people maybe the so called “job creators”; however until robots take over the world, they won’t be the ones actually doing the “work”/job.

getalife

September 19th, 2012
1:11 pm

I have never met an American that said they are a victim .

willie lynch

September 19th, 2012
1:12 pm

In my reading of President Obama’s assessment of the situation there is no denigrating of his fellow Americans and that’s the part of the whole argument that Republicans don’t seem to understand.

The Republicans claim every word they say that gets out into the press is either misquoted, should have been clarified or could have been stated more articulately. President Obama has not had to come out and defend his statements because he hasn’t made the boneheaded blunders that his counterpart seems to revel in.

Mitt is not fit to be President and it’s time the Republicans realized this. Fold your tents and head on home the party’s over.

Jm

September 19th, 2012
1:13 pm

Let’s use Harry Reid as a good example

In small fundraisers, he tells the same story 100 times about his personal upbringing. Policy? Doesn’t discuss it. Might offend someone.