‘Fast and Furious’ report exonerates AG Holder
Yet another major right-wing outrage goes pffffft, as was predicted here almost a year ago.
An internal Justice Department investigation into the Operation Fast and Furious scandal singles out 14 different officials for criticism and possible disciplinary action. But a report out Wednesday found no evidence that the department’s top leaders knew about the gun-walking aspect of the operation when it was underway.
… the investigators found Attorney General Eric Holder didn’t know about the controversial operation until after the scandal emerged in the wake of the discovery of two weapons linked to the operation at the scene of the shooting death of a Border Patrol agent in December 2010.
The investigative report (available here) was harshly critical of the operation itself, as it should have been, noting that “the investigations were seriously flawed in several respects, most significantly in their failure to adequately consider the risk to public safety in the United States and Mexico.” None of that was a surprise; the operation has been widely acknowledged as botched.
However, the report exonerated Holder, finding that “we determined that Attorney General Holder did not learn about Operation Fast and Furious until late January or early February 2011 and was not aware of allegations of “gun walking” in the investigation until February…..
We found that Attorney General Holder had no involvement in drafting or reviewing the February 4 letter that he decided to withdraw in December 2011 after concluding that it contained inaccuracies. …. we determined that Holder had no part in the fact-gathering, editing, or approval process that led to the Department’s issuance of an inaccurate response on February 4.”
Holder’s response is a study in understatement:
“It is unfortunate that some were so quick to make baseless accusations before they possessed the facts about these operations – accusations that turned out to be without foundation and that have caused a great deal of unnecessary harm and confusion. I hope today’s report acts as a reminder of the dangers of adopting as fact unsubstantiated conclusions before an investigation of the circumstances is completed.”
Holder may hope for such a thing, but even he knows that hope is in vain.
– Jay Bookman
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saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
7:22 pm
ld wins.
Towncrier
September 19th, 2012
7:24 pm
“House approves bill to allow wealthy to pay more taxes if they want… ”
Well, in truth, Scout Buffet always could do that. It just wasn’t as easy checking a box. And Warren, despite all of his billions, could not himself or pay another to figure that out. Or…maybe he was just blowing smoke after all.
F. Sinkwich
September 19th, 2012
7:27 pm
Still looking for some prosperity sharers.
Need some bucks, now.
Not my fault I don’t earn as much as you!
Seriously, I’ll reconsider my voting pattern if only all of you here into redistribution would just redistribute in my direction.
Thanks in advance.
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
7:29 pm
Holder wasn’t responsible for Fast and Furious? But, but, didn’t he buy the guns at the local walmart, personally walk them over the border , give them to the drug gangs, help the gangsters aim and practically pull the trigger himself? If that’s not true, what are you going to tell us next? That Obama wasn’t born in Kenya? That Hillary Clinton DIDN”T kill Vince Foster? You can’t possibly be serious!
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:29 pm
Jay says….
Great!!! These people shouldn’t be allowed to free-ride off the rest of us, knowing that if they get in an accident or something the hospital will treat them anyway. If they’re going to enjoy that protection, they ought to at least pay something for it, especially since most of them will be in the middle class and could conceivably afford it anyway.
Personal responsiblity, right guys?
Here is a teachable moment:
Democrats first called these people without insurance victims, then they did a 180 and called them free-riders after the fact…this shows that the leftists in power, just like you jay, believe the ends justify the means and will dictate whatever they deem necessary while in charge instead of believing in the freedom of individual citizens to make the best choice for themselves…..NEXT:
personal responsibility through freedom of choice jay, not through force by the government…….this is the fundamental transformation that none of the leftists will define…..do as i say or we will force you to do as we say….thanks for allowing me to expose the leftist, statist, big gov’t ideology that you and your ilk espouse to the detriment of the United States of America……….this was the easiest yet jay……oh, by the way obama is on tape again proving he is a socialist and you continue to support him…………pretty soon you will be defined by who you support………will you admit it?
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
in house investigation……..laughable……either way holder is the biggest political hack of an attorney general in the history of our country, not to mention that he gave clinton the go ahead to pardon the biggest tax cheat in the history of the united states in order to accept a 1 million dollar bribe for his presidential library……….no class, no honor, no integrity, no honesty……….and he is the titular head of the dem party? PATHETIC
getalife
September 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
The gop congress deserves to lose and will. Nothing but failures.
Nobody listens to you cons..
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
Maybe next the Congress will pass a law to offer a check off box on tax forms to allow those who are oh so worried about the debt to contribute a little or a lot extra to help pay it off. No doubt stinkwich and towncrier are waiting to do so now, without any need for the law. Wait, what was that about smokeblowers?
TM
September 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
Can anyone read this report and be proud of of our justice department?
Jay
September 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
I’d have to see 10 years of tax returns first, Sinkwich, just to establish need.
getalife
September 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
” 3 GOP Senate Candidates, 1 Governor Break From Romney… Senate Republican Leaders Refuse To Answer Questions..” Aol.
Toast..
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
do you hear those crickets jay…..i do as usual…..hack
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
Towncrier:
Libs. don’t want people to prosper. They want to keep them on welfare to keep their votes.
Conservatives want to get people off welfare by having them prosper through a better economy where EVERYONE prospers …………. not just the wealthy including wealthy liberals/Democrats.
You libs
September 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
TM
Have you read it?
Willie
September 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
I bet an internal DOJ committee would have exonerated Nixon too. What BS! Holders department says Holder s innocent. Amazing!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
7:38 pm
Need some bucks, now.
Put your ilk where you mouth is.
http://intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=84326
They BOTH suck
September 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
Scout
All that sounds great and I am sure it makes you feel good to say it, however is it fact or fiction that more jobs have been created when Democrats have been in office or Republicans?
We can move on to the stock market, per capita income and other issues as well, if you like.
If you are going to tell it, tell it all man, tell it all
They BOTH suck
September 19th, 2012
7:40 pm
office meaning WH
excuse me
getalife
September 19th, 2012
7:40 pm
Pay more taxes if they want to is how the gop care about their debt.
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
7:40 pm
“Can anyone read this report and be proud of of our justice department?”
The level of someone’s disbelief is not proof their doubts are justified
They BOTH suck
September 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
I’m sure you will narrow it down to the last 3 yrs and that is fair game, but since you made a broad stroke, I figure you would want to extrapolate over the last 50 or 60 yrs……….
You game?
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
when the doj doesn’t bring in an outside investigator, that proves the doubts are justified
You libs
September 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
Ken Starr’s Whitewater investigation committee spent many, many dollars and several years to ruin a lot of reputations and come up with absolutely nothing.
Someone in the Clinton machine obviously paid him off, right?
Or was it that Starr was also having an affair with Bill?
It couldn’t have been the truth. Nothing that has ever echoed through the right-wing noise machine has ever been untrue. Now that’s just a fact.
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
jay,
personal responsibility through individual choice?
OR
personal responsibility through gov’t force?
which is it jay?
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
“when the doj doesn’t bring in an outside investigator, that proves the doubts are justified”
Nope, it doesn’t prove that. All it does is give a foundation for those doubts. It doesn’t prove they are justified. The only way to justify doubts is with FACTS that uphold them. Got proof?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
…tell it all man, tell it all
Heh, heh, heh, reminds me of the late, great Lewis Grizzard’s bit using that line.
Jay
September 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
whatever gets you through the night, billybob.
TM
September 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Libs= yes I have. Are you proud of the actions of our justice employees in the report or are you just happy that Holder kept his head in the sand?
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
outside investigations prove much more and hold much more water than internal investigations no matter what is found……….
td
September 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Why is it you libs only want to hold the people like Mitt Romney accountable for the actions they take in leadership positions but not government leaders?
Romney was a CEO of Bain and sent out his people to turn companies around company and if these professionals decide that layoffs need to happen or plants shut down or jobs outsourced to return the investment to the investors then it is all Romney’s fault because he was in charge. Now we here that since Holder was not directly involved then he is not accountable for what happens below him.
This is a huge double standard. If Romney is accountable then so is Holder. If Holder does not have an understanding about what is going on under his leadership then he is incompetent and should not be in the position.
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
If only the DOJ investigation into the charges against Holder had been as thorough, well financed and far reaching as the investigation into the charges against Governor Deal. THAT would have satisfied all the right wing critics on this blog. After all, they were quite happy with THOSE findings.
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
“personal responsibility through gov’t force?”
do you pay your federal income taxes?
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
it must be tough to be toungue tied by a conservative on your own blog b/c you obviously can’t expose your true beliefs and answer a simple question…….keep not talking jay, it is very enlightening for all here…….class dismissed lib
Jay
September 19th, 2012
7:53 pm
Darryl Issa certainly has no proof.
You’ve got an independent inspector general who says it never happened; you’ve got Issa and his committee who would LOVE to claim they have evidence to the contrary, but who know they can’t and don’t.
All you’ve got is conservatives who confuse their most heartfelt wishes for actual facts, and who stamp their feet in frustration that the rest of the world refuses to join them in that confusion.
getalife
September 19th, 2012
7:54 pm
bilbob,
Who does the IG report to?
getalife
September 19th, 2012
7:55 pm
issa owes Holder an apology and should resign in disgrace.
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
illybob
September 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
jay,
personal responsibility through individual choice?
OR
personal responsibility through gov’t force?
which is it jay?
________________________________
The classical argument for anarchy. Well done billybob. While we are at it, lets get rid of laws against theft. If personal responsibility through personal choice won’t stop somebody from stealing, why oppress them with government force, right?
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
7:57 pm
conservatives are ‘confused’ lib 101 alert
there was no doubt an internal investigation was going to find holder guilty of nothing, whether or not he was involved, he leads the agency and the buck should stop with him…..if he had honor and integrity he would have brought in an outsider, but based on his history of approving the pardon of the biggest tax cheat in history why would he do anything else than what he did……he is what he is
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
I find it interesting that Senior Digits is begging Dems for handouts so he can get his govt check.
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
“there was no doubt an internal investigation was going to find holder guilty of nothing, whether or not he was involved”
Sure there was doubt. Just because YOU doubt it doesn’t mean EVERYONE does.
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Billybob believes that the fact there is no proof against Holder IS the proof against Holder. He obviously did SOMETHING illegal to make himself appear innocent.
Billybob would have made a damn fine prosecutor. 400 years ago. In Salem.
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
td, if the right had wanted to make the incompetency argument, they might have been on more defensible ground. Instead, as you know too well, they tried to claim that Holder planned it all with direct involvement of Obama as part of a high-level conspiracy to repeal the Second Amendment and yadayadayada.
Having blown that argument, they have no credibility if they now try to fall back upon the much milder incompetence claim.
F. Sinkwich
September 19th, 2012
8:01 pm
“I’d have to see 10 years of tax returns first, Sinkwich, just to establish need.”
I can understand your concern, Jay, about need and all.
Seriously though, wifely just ran away with the garbageman, daughter just got her third tongue piercing after pawning my lawnmower, and the neighbor’s cat killed my dawg, Ol’ Greener. On the upside, my son got a job at an Adult Book Store in Key West, a good career move I think. And to top it off, all those cans I collected today barely covered a six of Keystone.
Am I in need or what?
Here’s a deal, throw some redist my way and I’ll show you my tax returns for the NEXT ten years.
PayPal is cool.
Billybob
September 19th, 2012
8:01 pm
saywhat meet deflection……no more wasting time here exposing a failed ideology……it’s widely apparent here without my help….i’ll check in tomorrow jay for the next hit piece on romney…..look forward to it….
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
September 19th, 2012
8:03 pm
…he is what he is
He ain’t what he ain’t.
Repetition is repetition.
Tautology is saying the same thing, only using different word.
Again — dedicated to William Robert because, well — this is so you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
Oh, and Socialism — BOO!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
8:03 pm
Ahh, the call for “independent counsel”….. a fine tradition that the Bush admin followed so often. Why I remember those investigations, none of them thwarted by pardons…. Bush telling us how heads will roll…. Dick hiding all the evidence.
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Shorter brave sir billybob @ 8:01 “I know when I am beat. Run away! Run away!”
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Any of you remember the story of Rumpelstiltskin?
billybob reminds me of him. I can only imagine the thermonuclear cranial explosion that will occur if things go against him in November.
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
8:07 pm
Sinkwich can use paypal to put a little extra something in the pot to pay down the national debt too. I bet he is at the paypal website right now as we speak, doing his part.
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
“they have no credibility if they now try to fall back upon the much milder incompetence claim”
They had credibility before?
td
September 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
td, if the right had wanted to make the incompetency argument, they might have been on more defensible ground. Instead, as you know too well, they tried to claim that Holder planned it all with direct involvement of Obama as part of a high-level conspiracy to repeal the Second Amendment and yadayadayada.
Having blown that argument, they have no credibility if they now try to fall back upon the much milder incompetence claim.
OK, but what about the 4th estate? You have written many articles about Holder not being guilty of intentionally doing anything wrong but just admitted that he could be incompetent so why are you or other liberal newsmen not leading the way on this approach? Where is the integrity of the media?
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Too late for that td. As they say in the courtroom, you don’t get two bites at the same apple.
G Mare
September 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Welcome, Sandra! I trust you have been reading this blog for a while before you jumped in, so you probably know which commenters to scroll past.
rivercard
September 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Sink – based on your comments I feel pretty sure that you could get SS disability (i.e. “crazy money”) if you pursued it.
So, come on and join the 47%. We are living large with all that redistribution raining down on our heads.
Obambarrassment
September 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
From Jay Bookman in this blog:
Great!!! These people shouldn’t be allowed to free-ride off the rest of us, knowing that if they get in an accident or something the hospital will treat them anyway. If they’re going to enjoy that protection, they ought to at least pay something for it, especially since most of them will be in the middle class and could conceivably afford it anyway.
Personal responsiblity, right guys?
From the Huffington Post:
Nonetheless, some people might still decide to remain uninsured because they object to government mandates or because they feel they would come out ahead financially even if they have to pay the penalty. Health insurance is expensive, with employer-provided family coverage averaging nearly $15,800 a year for a family and $4,300 for a single plan. Indeed, insurance industry experts say the federal penalty may be too low.
A simple leftist followed by a less simple leftist. Shows you what’s in store. Government will be subsidizing healthcare even for the $6 million who choose not to buy. Prices are going up, and they will go up. The government can’t afford the coverage even with the penalty.
Not hard to see that taxes will be going up too. WAY up.
Obama’s legacy: rush to reform, incompetence, demagoguery and utter failure.
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
8:14 pm
I bet an internal DOJ committee would have exonerated Nixon too.
Then you are a fool.
VP Spiro Agnew resigned from office under an agreement with the Department of Justice and was convicted in federal court on felony charges of income tax evasion.
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
Keystone, Sink?
Sorry, I’m not gonna give beer money to anybody who wastes it on that swill. From what I told, all you leeches have much better taste than that, buying steak and champagne with your EBT cards….
saywhat?
September 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
Jamvet, you should have taken him up on his bet first before posting. It would have been the Wallstreet thing to do.
dougmo2
September 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
Jay,
When (not If) the Fast and Furious documents are ordered released by a federal judge, and it shows that Holder committed purjury. will you apologize to the world for writing this stupid article?
You libs
September 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
TM
What was the most damning evidence you read in the report? What was the one piece of evidence that most convinced you that it was a whitewash? How many pages were there in the report?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
8:16 pm
Yeah Jay, where is the integrity of the media? Unless you report the story the Fox News way, you just don’t have integrity. I mean next you’ll be saying that some news channel is taking some twisting some false story about releasing a 9/11 planner and reporting it as something the administration has agreed to is not reporting with integrity. Integrity means reporting the news the way the right demands it, not what the facts are (and don’t give me none of that this is opinion nonsense).
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
If Holder committed perjury, I will confess my error, DougMo.
Now. Will you do the same if he didn’t?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
Where is the integrity of the media?
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Where was your poutrage when “the integrity of the media” dropped the ball on that one?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
Government will be subsidizing healthcare even for the $6 million who choose not to buy.
well who is subsidizing it now, silly. Oh the nonsense pout
Mr_B
September 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
Of course the voices here crying for Holder’s blood are aware that 95% of DOJ employees are career officers who serve right through any change in administration. And I am also sure that they are aware that in any organization the size of DOJ there are some things that go on that “the boss doesn’t need to know about.”
My guess is that nobody at the top levels of DOJ would have thought that the guys running Fast and Furious could possibly be that stupid.
But stupid always seems to rise to any challenge.
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
“Government will be subsidizing healthcare even for the $6 million who choose not to buy”
$6 million needs healthcare?
td
September 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Too late for that td. As they say in the courtroom, you don’t get two bites at the same apple.
Why? I am not talking about conservative politicians. I am talking about journalist with integrity. Where are they? Why are they not pointing out the reports show incompetence? I guess there is no integrity in journalist because they are just hacks for Obama.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
Sorry, I’m not gonna give beer money to anybody who wastes it on that swill.
Until you’ve drank a six month old Jax that’s been living in the backseat of a ‘69 Mustang, don’t be all judgmental.
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
Mr. B, the report is also clear that the ATF and US attorney in Phoenix lied to their superiors in Washington.
weetamoe
September 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
Fox clears fox of assault on hen house, murder of chickens
KGB clears KGB
Stasi clears Stasi
Gestapo clears Gestapo
Facts of Fast and Furious lost in executive privilege baggage
Obambarrassment
September 19th, 2012
8:24 pm
Too late for that td. As they say in the courtroom, you don’t get two bites at the same apple.
Wrong. Holder gets two, three, as many bites as he wants.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/politics/holder-contempt/index.html
Holder held in contempt of Congress. Do we remember that in the news? Heck no! There’s shiny objects everywhere to point out, and they all seem to say “Romney,” “47%” and “top 1%”.
The next thing for the media to do is to pretend that a special prosecutor wasn’t necessary for this. Check–done. Item number two is to pretend that a cabinet member already held in contempt of Congress can be trusted with commissioning his own IG to investigate him. Check–in progress. Third, we need to really try and reelect The One, so that he can pardon Holder without consequences and keep his corrupt attorney general in office.
Jay Bookman offered his help here, I can only imagine.
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
saywhat? $10,000 like the high rollin’ Mitt? LOL!
Billybob would have made a damn fine prosecutor. 400 years ago. In Salem.
No doubt. And he would also have fit in very nicely on McCarthy’s House Un-American Activities Committee.
(Damn commies everywhere!)
For our self made Republican’s in Mitt’s 47%. The guys who did it all on their own. The Romney fans extraordinaire…
Raise your hand if you:
went to a public college or university
work for government (i.e., cops, teachers, firefighters, military, social workers, librarians, school janitors, judges, court reporters, bus drivers, etc),
borrow books from a public library,
work for or own stock in a defense contractor,
get your electricity or water from a government-owned utility,
went to, or send your kids to, public school,
ride on government-run buses, subways or light-rail,
use or work for the post office,
went to college on the GI Bill, Pell Grant, state financial aid program,
are retired and get Social Security payments,
ever used food stamps,
lived in public housing or had a Section 8 voucher,
used a wheelchair ramp mandated by the Americans for Disability Act,
get your health care from the Veterans Administration hospital,
go boating or fishing in a government-run lake,
have a job whose workplace is safer because of OSHA rules
work for a company or nonprofit organization that has a contract with the local, county, state or federal government
have a family member who depends on a government-subsidized home health care aide,
pay for your medicine and medical care with Medicaid,
got a tax subsidy for your mortgage interest and/or property taxes,
recycle your garbage through your city’s sanitation department,
took a vacation in a national or state park,
own a family- or corporate-owned farm that is irrigated by a government-owned dam,
played baseball or soccer or used the see-saw or swings in a public park or playground,
got your polio and other vaccination shots at your public school,
traveled with a government-issued passport,
used an elevator inspected for safety by the local building department,
eat food inspected for safety by the U.S. Department of Agriculture,
went to a restaurant inspected by the local Health Department,
were helped by a police officer, park ranger or firefighter,
have a savings account in a bank regulated by the Federal Deposit insurance Corporation
flew on an airplane inspected by the Federal Aviation Administration
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Incompetence? Based on what?
When Holder learned that the operation out of Phoenix had been selling guns to suspected gun smugglers in an attempt to snag traffickers, he initiated changes to Department policy and personnel, and asked for an investigation by the Office of the Inspector General
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
weetamoe, again, if you got evidence, show us.
Issa says he’s got none.
The inspector general says he’s got none.
But you, weetamoe, do?
Then cough it up, sir.
Mr_B
September 19th, 2012
8:26 pm
“Billybob believes that the fact there is no proof against Holder IS the proof against Holder. He obviously did SOMETHING illegal to make himself appear innocent.”
“Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity,
For he’s a fiend in feline shape, a monster of depravity.
You may meet him in a by-street, you may see him in the square–
But when a crime’s discovered, then Macavity’s not there!”
T.S. Eliot
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
8:27 pm
Gestapo clears Gestapo
Godwin’s Law, proven again.
Don't Tread
September 19th, 2012
8:28 pm
Somehow I don’t think internal investigations will find the big boss guilty of anything regardless of the evidence found, unless someone WANTS to lose their job. Investigations by others (who don’t have to fear retribution by the person being investigated) came to a much different conclusion.
Mr_B
September 19th, 2012
8:28 pm
Jay: I wouldn’t suppose we’d have any idea who hire those guys, now would we?
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
I also find it humorous to see complaints about the “integrity of the media”. The right wing indicted and convicted Holder based on no evidence whatsoever. They were calling for his impeachment and even the impeachment of Obama. This was more important than Watergate.
And when an 18-month in-depth investigation comes up with absolutely nothing, do they have the integrity to issue even an oops, let alone an apology?
No. They continue to claim that their insistence it is true constitutes evidence it is true.
Mr_B
September 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
“Investigations by others (who don’t have to fear retribution by the person being investigated) came to a much different conclusion.”
As Paul pointed out (repeatedly) the IG works for the President and for Congress, and his job is independent of the AG. And while in theory, the POTUS could can the IG if he didn’t agree with the report, the political repercussions would be unthinkable. Remember when Nixon decided to fire a prosecutor?
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
September 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
So, just like his boss, Holder is not responsible for anything either. What a surprise. We can get more responsibility from a kindergarten class than we can from this regime.
Obambarrassment
September 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
So Kamchak,
There’s nothing to see here eh? The IG was created by Congress.
Turns out there is something to see, and the only one ignoring evidence (not just evidence but the crux of the matter) are liberals like you.
From USDOJ itself: first paragraph on the web page:
The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) in the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is a statutorily created independent entity whose mission is to detect and deter waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct in DOJ programs and personnel, and to promote economy and efficiency in those programs. The Inspector General, who is appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation, reports to the Attorney General and Congress. The OIG investigates alleged violations of criminal and civil laws DOJ employees and also audits and inspects DOJ programs.
Obama appointed the guy, yeah,
What are you going to do now, call him “independent”?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124511811033017539.html
Obama has no use for independent investigators anywhere near his justice dept.
Nor do you seem to have any use for information.
TaxPayer
September 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
Have the House Republicans passed any more jobs bills. They’ve had since their 2010 jobs election campaign to do something so some might think that the Republicans could at least create one job in that time frame. Maybe one extra job to handle all the printing of all those jobs bills that have not created a single solitary job since 2010.
James
September 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Imagine my surprise.
An internal investigation clears Holder.
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
So Obamabarrassment, based on no evidence whatsoever other than the fact that he reached a conclusion that you don’t like, you are ready to publicly charge the inspector general in this case with corruption and malfeasance and dereliction of duty.
Well, at least that’s consistent, since you did the same thing to Holder.
TaxPayer
September 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
They continue to claim that their insistence it is true constitutes evidence it is true.
That’s just how the con air gap (the space between the ears) works. A spark jumps from one ear to the other when they hear from Fox and that’s it. Of course they have no memory of ever listening to Fox and that too is understandable since everything just pass straight through and nothing is stored.
You libs
September 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
TM?
Where’d you go?
Must have either been abducted by aliens or is looking for the report.
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
“Imagine my surprise”
It’s always SO easy to tell when someone hasn’t bothered to read the posts that came BEFORE they decided to jump in with both feet in their mouth.
Obambarrassment
September 19th, 2012
8:40 pm
JamVet @ 825,
Your wearisome cant of “republicans are going to defund firehouses” schtick is almost as embarrassing as the President himself. Should the absurd happen (however unlikely) that Obama wins again this time after everyone in the country has tangible evidence that he is an incompetent, unrepentant leftist, then it will be to the embarrassment of the entire country itself–and probably economic collapse.
It’s no better, nor any more informed than your “bigots are everywhere” show you do for matinees.
Tell us all please: how valuable will those say, Pell Grants be, when it costs $100,000 a year to heat a modest classroom?
Jay
September 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
Good night all. Be nice as possible to each other. Or even nicer than that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
So Kamchak,
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Nor do you seem to have any use for information.
What the f*ck are you talking about?
Paul addressed this on the first page of this thread.
Run along and find someone else to impress with your Rupert Murdoch based links.
The WSJ ceased to be relevant long before they started pimping for Murdoch.
Mr_B
September 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
Well, it’s pretty obvious that Holder is heavier than a duck………..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
We can get more responsibility from a kindergarten class than we can from this regime
Wasn’t Bush speaking before that kindergarten class?
Did they get wiped out by Katrina? Oh woe the responsibility that the Bush administration took…. 
TaxPayer
September 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
We get Mitt’s own words in a video and cons deny it and claim it is fabricated yet with absolutely nothing in hand, the cons fabricate claims against others. Poor cons. You gotta feel sorry for the little critters. They is just plain dumb.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
Ooh Oooh I know Mr. B…… a rock! (a very small one)
You libs
September 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
God these people are disingenuous.
When I was globetrotting in the 60’s and 70’s I was astonished at how dishonest people were on a basic level in other countries.
We’ve definitely closed the gap.
Jm
September 19th, 2012
8:43 pm
Sinkwich – hilarious
Jay
September 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
I’d have to see 10 years of tax returns first, Sinkwich, just to establish need.
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-not required for unemployment or food assistance
Wazzup with the strict liberal need guidelines
Maybe you should take your con requirements to the Feds
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
… a rock! (a very small one)
“Lead, lead.”
“Churches”
Doggone/GA
September 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
“They is just plain dumb.”
Well, Rick Santorum knows them very well: “We will never have the elite, smart people on our side, because they believe they should have the power to tell you what to do.”
Obambarrassment
September 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
Mr. Bookman,
I’m simply amazed at your unwillingness to understand the crux of the matter here. The evidence is in Holder’s keeping Jay. It still is. What did he do, tell the IG that “this is all you’re going to get, buddy”?
He didn’t let Congress see it. He refused subpoenas and he summoned executive privilege even though this is not at all a national security matter!
He’s been obstructing the investigation by himself for over a year.
Clinton obstructed an investigation too. At least he was given consequences for doing so.
Just what are you saying with that absurd comment of yours?