How do GOP’s ‘pro-growth’ policies work? A quick review

111

That’s the number of people employed full-time in the private sector in January, 2001, when President George W. Bush raised his right hand to take the oath of office.

110

That’s the number of people employed by the private sector in January, 2005, after four years of supposedly “pro-growth” tax and regulatory policies almost identical to those now being proposed by Mitt Romney.

913

That’s the number of jobs “gained” in the first term of President Bush, even after major tax reductions in 2001 and 2003 that were supposed to jump-start hiring by giving more affluent Americans an incentive to invest.

110b

That’s the number of people employed by the private sector in January, 2009, at the end of President Bush’s second term in office.

646

That’s the total number of private sector jobs “gained” by the U.S. economy in the eight-year period from January 2001 to January 2009 under President Bush.

111a

That’s the number of people employed fulltime in the private sector as of August 2012, the most recent data available from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

415

That’s the number of private-sector jobs added to the U.S. economy since President Obama took office in January 2009. It means that we have recovered all of the 2.1 million jobs lost in the first three months of his presidency and then added more than 400,000 jobs on top of that.

Note, however, that while we’re making slow progress, we remain 231,000 private-sector jobs behind the total when President Bush took office in January 2001, which is more than 11 years ago.

(NOTE: At commenters’ request, here’s how you find the data used above. Go to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Click on the second box from the top, “Total Private Employment,” and then go down to the bottom and click “retrieve data.” Once on the site, you can adjust the time frame for which you seek data.

– Jay Bookman

354 comments Add your comment

CJ

September 17th, 2012
3:08 pm

Jay,

Does (or should) populations growth play into this analysis? If so, how?

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:11 pm

CJ, they certainly can and should. If you do it on a per-capita basis, population growth would make the numbers above look significantly worse.

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:11 pm

Jay, they DON’T care…

Fictional con beliefs are so completely invested in, that they cannot be divested…without a lobotomy…

getalife

September 17th, 2012
3:11 pm

Stay the course.

Matti

September 17th, 2012
3:11 pm

Fun with fonts!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 17th, 2012
3:11 pm

Oh dear, Jay’s using numbers.

Heads exploding in 3…2…1….

larry

September 17th, 2012
3:12 pm

You might want to add how the G.O.P ” pro-growth ” policies in the state of Georgia has brought so many……….. huh? The state unemployment rate has been above the national rate since July ‘07? Why , that can’t be!! With all the tax breaks and tax cuts this state provides businesses just to move some of their operations here, that has to be a lie.

I mean, tax cuts means jobs , doesnt it?

Or education and infrastructure?

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:13 pm

Keep believin’ the supply-side fairy tale cons…

Oscar

September 17th, 2012
3:14 pm

Don’t see how any reasonable person could even consider bringing back the GOP and the NeoCons.

Ahem

September 17th, 2012
3:15 pm

Some daily callery (sort of like drudgery). It is true accoring to Snopes; Truth-O-Meter; and Politifact.

Fighter Jets in Democratic Convention’s Military Montage were Turkish, not American

The Democratic Party’s national convention in Charlotte, N.C., may have doubled down on insulting the U.S. military community.

The Democratic National Committee has already apologized for using a photo of four Soviet-era Russian warships in a giant stage backdrop intended to illustrate the party’s support for military personnel and veterans.

That huge image, visible in the Time Warner Cable Arena during speeches by Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and retired Admiral John B. Nathman, also depicted a synchronized formation of jet aircraft that convention-goers assumed were American fighter planes.

But the F-5 fighter planes in the photo are part of the air force of Turkey, a nation whose government is now jailing journalists and establishing Islam as a state religion.

Brad Woodhouse, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, did not respond when the The Daily Caller asked why the convention planners displayed Turkish-flown aircraft alongside Russian warships while seeking support from the American military community.

Further illustration the Oblunda Administration is inept; incompetent; and stupid.

Mick

September 17th, 2012
3:15 pm

I like the emphasis with those big bold numbers..kinda..jumps right out at you! Will anyone on the right believe you? NOPE…

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:16 pm

Here’s a tip cons…

Rewrite the actual history of the Reagan administration and try to make the nation completely forget about the GWB years…

Bullseye

September 17th, 2012
3:16 pm

Bring ‘em on.

Ahem

September 17th, 2012
3:16 pm

I have big numeral envy.

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:17 pm

Ahem

You win the quickest deflection of the day award

Congrats

:-)

Ahem

September 17th, 2012
3:18 pm

Hold your applause, but do send the trophy and gift card, please.

Aquagirl

September 17th, 2012
3:18 pm

Math is another subject tainted by liberal marxists.

Addition and subtraction aren’t real. Mathematicians made that $#!^ up to get government grants.

stands for decibels

September 17th, 2012
3:18 pm

But what about public sector jobs? well…

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-private-sector-and-the-public-sector-under-obama-2012-6?op=1#ixzz26kxBxl85

total government employment is far below where it was when Obama started office.

If you exclude Federal Government workers, then the decline in public sector employment is even more severe.

Simple Truths

September 17th, 2012
3:19 pm

Jay, reference please?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 17th, 2012
3:19 pm

BUT…BUT….BUT… a democratic party controlled congress? Jimmy Carter? Bill Clinton’s pants? population growth? President Trillions? birth certificate? Tea Party? Oh lordy won’t someone say something to distract us from these facts and numbers. :roll: :lol:

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:20 pm

Those aren’t just numbers, AquaGirl.

They are ARABIC numbers.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 17th, 2012
3:21 pm

Fighter Jets in Democratic Convention’s Military Montage were Turkish, not American

Is drudgey spam

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:22 pm

Simple Truths, as I indicate in the text, the numbers are from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Go to: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce

Click on the second box, “Total Private Employment,” and then go down to the bottom and click “retrieve data”

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:23 pm

Jay

Could you add the link from where you sourced the information?

Thanks

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:23 pm

Beat me too it

I knew that request was going to come soon

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:23 pm

Aquagirl

September 17th, 2012
3:24 pm

They are ARABIC numbers.

And that’s why you should vote Romney/Ryan MMXII.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 17th, 2012
3:25 pm

But Jay, its different this time….. This time it will work for Mitt. He said so. :roll:

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:25 pm

Well, there you go…EVERYBODY knows the BLS is biased…

alittlecommonsense

September 17th, 2012
3:26 pm

5.2
That’s the average unemployment rate under Bush.

9.4
That’s the average unemployment rate under Obama.

stands for decibels

September 17th, 2012
3:27 pm

alittlecommonsense, please to explain how we got from that lower average, to that higher one, that you cite?

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:27 pm

So the logic here is higher taxes will produce better economic growth?

Ok, I think anyone with a lick of common sense will see that absurdity.

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:27 pm

I’ve added a note to the post above explaining how to find the data in its original form.

Simple Truths

September 17th, 2012
3:28 pm

Jay,

Is the BLS the reference for all numbers, or just for 111,400,000? Your article is not clear on that point.

stands for decibels

September 17th, 2012
3:28 pm

Ahem, you forgot “corpseman.”

And Poland.

These are things reachable voters really really CARE about, dammit.

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:28 pm

This is another “W’s fault” column in a feather boa.

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:29 pm

‘So the logic here is higher taxes will produce better economic growth?’

No, the logic is that so much of the feces thrown by the cons are sinkers not floaters…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 17th, 2012
3:29 pm

5.2
That’s the average unemployment rate under Bush.

What was the average speed of The Titanic when it struck the iceberg?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 17th, 2012
3:30 pm

Aquagirl,
Does MMXII mean Mickey Mouse times two? That would work for Romney/Ryan too.

bookman parrot

September 17th, 2012
3:30 pm

which numbers are legit and which did you pull out your backside for your luv of barack.
let’s say that your numbers are somehow real. now for real compare, use underemployed
and don’t count temporary road jobs from washington funny money.

a liberal hack

September 17th, 2012
3:31 pm

How many of those jobs are high paying middle class sustaining jobs Jay? If we were doing so darn well, then we wouldn’t have 47.6 million people getting EBT cards (snap) or more people than any time in history getting SS disability.

Good job spinning for an inadequate President!

Erwin's cat

September 17th, 2012
3:31 pm

400k jobs at what cost?…

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:31 pm

Weird. All those “Obama jobs” were added at Bush tax rates.

Guess that means Jay’s column has no actual point.

Aquagirl

September 17th, 2012
3:32 pm

Does MMXII mean Mickey Mouse times two?

No, Mickey runs one of the most efficient operations on earth.

Don’t insult the Mouse.

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:33 pm

‘Guess that means Jay’s column has no actual point.’

The point is Obama is a much better President that GWB (and the dude that wants to return to GWB policies)

getalife

September 17th, 2012
3:33 pm

“This is another “W’s fault” column”

Spoken like a true con.

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:33 pm

Jm

Pepper jack or gouda?

You need a little cheese with that “whine”.

Might be early for wine but never a “whine”, uh?

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:34 pm

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Man that dude is something else when he cranks it up.

:-)

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:34 pm

Let’s not forget Obama also cut the payroll tax as part of the stimulus.

Weird. Lower taxes do work! Bush just didn’t lower them enough.

Glad Romney wants to sensibly lower them more. An cut the deficit with less wasteful spending.

a liberal hack

September 17th, 2012
3:35 pm

what a load of crap! I’m feelin’ really snarky….
I’m so tired of this only Democrats do it better crap and if it’s not including a heavy dose of Gov’t participation, then it’s really not legit. Gov’t can’t solve every problem, in fact they tend to make it worse. If SS was so darn great, then we wouldn’t have a poor Senior citizen class for the USDA to advertise to to get them on (snap), if gov’t solves every problem then our public education system would be the best in the world, our water and air the cleanest and the poverty rate wouldn’t be so darn high. Sorry Jay, that fails….quit defending a party that wants more and more control over the economy and what people earn….

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 17th, 2012
3:35 pm

That way everyone pays something and no one gets to hide their income in shelters

Well, I say we bust into them shelters and grab all the poor people that ain’t paying taxes and hold them by the ankles and shake them till all the money comes out. Everybody needs to pay taxes. It ain’t our fault they don’t got any homes. It’s because of their Bad Decisions and not taking Personal Responsibility.

Who’s with me? Let’s GO!

And Romney/Eddie Munster 2012!

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:35 pm

‘Glad Romney wants to sensibly lower them more. An cut the deficit with less wasteful spending.’

Con Arithmetic…wow…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 17th, 2012
3:36 pm

Kam, I think the Titantic was more than halfway on its trip when its sank…so on the average it was a successful voyage. :lol:

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:36 pm

alittlecommonsense:

And between me and Bill Gates, we have an average net worth of $30 billion. And while accurate, I think that even you would agree that the number is extremely misleading.

Your little talking point is no better. It tells us nothing about actual reality.

Those of you interested in seeing the real picture, rather than a picture skewed by an ideology averse to facts, can go here — http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:38 pm

No one has debunked the numbers…………

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Some good deflections and side steps at best

Simple Truths

September 17th, 2012
3:38 pm

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000.

Link failed:

Data extracted on: September 17, 2012 (3:38:02 PM)

ERROR: Invalid Series ID: LNS14000000.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 17th, 2012
3:39 pm

take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations and….

.
.
.
I would have said that this should be completely clear even to an idiot,
but that does not seem to be the case.

maybe if you did it with legos instead of numbers?

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:39 pm

Tbs

Your rebuttal so far: absent

Reminds me of an empty chair

Getalife I’m not a con :)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 17th, 2012
3:40 pm

Sorry, I meant Romney/Ryan 2012. I don’t know where Eddie Munster come from.

Regnad Kcin

September 17th, 2012
3:41 pm

“let’s say that your numbers are somehow real. now for real compare, use underemployed
and don’t count temporary road jobs from washington funny money.

jay – even the parrot concedes you point! :D

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:41 pm

Lord Help Us

Care to offer a rebuttal to those facts I stated?

Guess not. I’m glad libs at least don’t have the temerity to argue with facts in this case.

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:41 pm

Jm

Keep whining. Nothing new for you.

As each day goes by, I guess you are looking at your opportunities in Honk Kong or wherever it is you claimed you were going for a year or more.

You will be back in the ATL before going overseas. Nothing but talk and whine

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 17th, 2012
3:42 pm

jm,
By saying you are not a con, does that mean you were never convicted? :)

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:43 pm

Jm

Jobs have been created with higher tax rates, so that tells me there are more variables than taxes.

So what is your point, exactly?

Ahem

September 17th, 2012
3:43 pm

Four statements that should be repeated at every opportunity by the right. (Only one of them is actually true according to Truth-O-Meter)

Barack Obama is a good man. He is trying hard. He’s just not very good at this job.

Obama is a nice guy; he is just not very good at his job.

Obama is doing his best. His best just isn’t good enough

Barack Obama is a pleasant enough fellow. But, he’s just not very good at being President of the United States.

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:43 pm

Normal

I plead nolo. :)

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:43 pm

Simple, try that link again. I had to remove the period, but it functions now.

Lord Help Us

September 17th, 2012
3:43 pm

‘Care to offer a rebuttal to those facts I stated?’

Post some and I will…

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:44 pm

Tbs 3:41

True. I’ll be there next weekend. I’m not going overseas until next summer…

Simple Truths

September 17th, 2012
3:45 pm

Jay, is post editing reserved to you (or moderators) or can others edit their own posts?

getalife

September 17th, 2012
3:45 pm

jm,

You write like a con.

Deflection to blame our President is con “debate”.

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:45 pm

Jm

Good one, however I meant long term

Peadawg

September 17th, 2012
3:46 pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-dont-spur-151649273.html

“A study from the Congressional Research Service — the non-partisan research office for Congress — shows that “there is little evidence over the past 65 years that tax cuts for the highest earners are associated with savings, investment or productivity growth.”"

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:46 pm

Tbs

3:43

True. My point was jay’s column proves absolutely nothing. One way or the other.

Just the facts…..

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:46 pm

Simple, with this software, only the moderators have that power.

Doggone/GA

September 17th, 2012
3:46 pm

“Jay, is post editing reserved to you (or moderators) or can others edit their own posts?”

Have you tried editing your own posts?

SGslider

September 17th, 2012
3:48 pm

Bookman’s got a credibility problem that he shares with his corrupt and intellectually bankrupt “newspaper” and you special, special few who blog on it every day ad infinitum, but that’s no big deal at all when the “president” of Libya is more believable than the Liar in Chief or his beotch Hilarity and those clowns she sends out to take the hits. Jay Carney? Seriously? Valerie Jarrett? That’s all anybody needs to know. Enjoy your last ride, Bookman, swirling around the DRAIN with your fellows; what a shame; what a waste what fun! Choom, baby, Choom.

Jm

September 17th, 2012
3:49 pm

Tbs

I may very well end up back in Atlanta

But if so, certainly not due to the economic attractiveness

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:49 pm

Jm

Well you mentioned tax cuts, did you not?

Simple Truths

September 17th, 2012
3:49 pm

Doggone @3:46,

I had never tried editing and wasn’t aware of a way. Jay confirmed this.

Aquagirl

September 17th, 2012
3:49 pm

My point was jay’s column proves absolutely nothing.

Jm is right, we haven’t rebutted his carefully crafted “IS NOT!!!!”

Paul

September 17th, 2012
3:50 pm

That does it.

I’m gonna have to stop referring to Romney as ‘data-driven’ and ‘a numbers kind of guy.’

Anybody has any other good adjectives, I’m open -

JayLover

September 17th, 2012
3:50 pm

Your numbers neglect the Republican congress in 94 and uncontrollable events such as Sept 11th, .com bubble etc.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 17th, 2012
3:51 pm

New report out: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/PDF/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf

Turns out that cutting taxes on the rich does nothing for economic growth.

Or is a non-partisan analysis “class envy”?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 17th, 2012
3:52 pm

Simple, with this software, only the moderators have that power.

Jay is not telling you the whole story. He can, in fact read what you are typing before you click on the Submit Comment button.

weetamoe

September 17th, 2012
3:52 pm

Is it true that US media are trying to downplay the administration’s incompetence as demonstrated in the tragic events in the Middle East and the scapegoating of a designated villain complete with actual brownshirts hustling a writer and/or producer of a third rate porn film out of his home in the middle of the night ? I thought there was something called journalism (and integrity and responsibility to speak truth to power ) in the US. There is some fairly intensive foreign press coverage. Oh I know opinion writers are not reporters, but it is kind of odd that they seem to have no opinion—or have not yet received the memo dictating what opinion is acceptable.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 17th, 2012
3:52 pm

Anybody has any other good adjectives, I’m open

Lost.

Atlanta Mom

September 17th, 2012
3:52 pm

Jay
There you go again.
Trying to confuse people with facts.

They BOTH suck

September 17th, 2012
3:52 pm

Jm

You will be back. Tax break and all, the state of FL just isn’t doing it for you.

I’m sure the tax increase will not be the end of your world, just as the tax break didn’t have you eating lunch at the Breakers with jet setters.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 17th, 2012
3:53 pm

Jm is right, we haven’t rebutted his carefully crafted “IS NOT!!!!”

Well, somebody remind me in my next life never to marry a woman like Aquagirl. That woman’s meaner than a two-headed snake at molting time.

Regnad Kcin

September 17th, 2012
3:53 pm

“Your numbers neglect the Republican congress in 94 and uncontrollable events such as Sept 11th, .com bubble etc.”

But – but – Rush told me lower taxes = more jobs. and – and he said if I didn’t see the jobs, that just meant we- we just hadn’t lowered them enough, you know?

So what went wrong?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 17th, 2012
3:53 pm

Is it true that US media are trying to downplay the administration’s incompetence

No.

And this has been another edition of simple answers to stupid questions….

Mr Right

September 17th, 2012
3:53 pm

What was the unemployment number when Obama took office,what is it now? What was the deficit when Obama took office, what is it now? Since Jay is so good with numbers, I thought he would be glad to give them numbers! Ha!

alittlecommonsense

September 17th, 2012
3:53 pm

Well Jay, I have no idea how averaging your net worth with Bill Gates’ is in any way relevant. Unemployment numbers are.

So let me make my point a different way. Bush kept unemployment rates relatively low during his presidency even though there was a dotcom bust and 9/11 which didn’t help matters. If you really want to look at the health of the job market, you look at the unemployment rate not jobs added or lost. Those numbers are very volatile due to where you chose your start and stop dates, population demographics, etc. Your numbers are misleading. Mine aren’t.

Oh, and lets not forget a couple of other points. As JM mentioned, Obama is still benefiting from the Bush tax rates, and he has spent over a trillion dollars of our children & grandchildren’s money to create these few jobs. Not much of a record to brag about.

Jay

September 17th, 2012
3:54 pm

Your numbers neglect the Republican congress in 94 ….

Also neglected in my analysis: the beauty of Scarlett Johansson and today’s temperature in Berlin.

Gman

September 17th, 2012
3:54 pm

These Georgia cons are the same people that liked the hire of Ray Goff, Jim Donnan, Jim Harrick, and think Vince Dooley is a legend. No wonder Georgia ranks low in education, high unemployment, and high in the lack of ethics by their government officials. SMH

bman

September 17th, 2012
3:56 pm

Mr Bookman – considering the most popular buzzword for the last 4 years has been “inherited”, do you honestly believe these numbers, ignoring any circumstances, are fair? If so, you would surely have to agree that gas, under the current administration, has more than doubled.

If there had been a Democrat taking office as the technology revolution was winding down, the failure of countless dot.com, telecommunications and hi-tech industry companies, 9/11, the dozen or more accounting scandals at large corporations that resulted in the collapse of some….would you paint a different picture?

Peadawg

September 17th, 2012
3:56 pm

” the beauty of Scarlett Johansson”

How do you neglect the beauty of Scarlet Johansson!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 17th, 2012
3:56 pm

Is it true that US media are trying to…

Is it true that you can go to blogspot.com?
Is it true that you can create your own blog?
Is it true that you can then choose whatever topic you wish to discuss?

Joseph

September 17th, 2012
3:57 pm

You sure use fuzzy math Jay…

January 2009 civilian workforce August 2012 civilian workforce
65.7 63.7

Where did all these people go? Did they simply disappear?