Under President Romney, Mideast would be calm? Really?

Flip Robme makes Gerald Ford look presidential.

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As Rush Limbaugh suggested yesterday, Obama is so weak that al Qaida offered up Osama bin Laden as a sacrifice to us, just to ensure that Obama would be re-elected.

…there’s little coming from the right that surprises me these days, but–really?

I’d missed that one.

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The last thing I ever wanted to have happen in this general-election season was for some overseas tragedy to occur and become an campaign issue. And I almost feel like I’m cheapening it by joining in a conversation about the political blowback, myself.

That said, if I were playing for Team Mittens, I’d tell the brass that they really need to have a nice hot cup of STFU for a day or three and seriously consider having their candidate appear, you know, somewhat Presidential on these matters, rather than like some Gold Bond Medicated Powder-selling AM radio talk-show huckster.

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There is no justification for this violence but I have to say that this video that allegedly desecrated the Islam religion ought to remind all of us that just because we value freedom of speech in this country, it comes with responsibility. It is exactly Mitt Romney’s party that has made Islam a political object by saying that the President is a Muslim (as Colin Powell said, “so what if he is?”). People abroad get CNN, also. If they wanted to believe that many Americans are intolerant, they only have to look at Mitt Romney and his party for proof.

What Romney should have done was condemned the film. Oh, but that’s too much like an apology.

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Wow the Kamchak corollary in full effect

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Abstinence? I wish. “obstinance,” I meant, but my browser doesn’t seem to think that is an English word.

/drive-by

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Meanwhile, we learn that the State Dept and Intelligence had advance warning of these attacks on the consulates and the adminstration did…..what for it………nothing.

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bear clear testimony to his inadequacy

bear?

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If Mitt were the Man, he would make those people pay for what they did. I’m thinkin’ he’d impose a tax on the poorest amongst the rioters first. That’ll teach them. Then, he would force them to borrow large sums of money from the US and he would take most of it as his management fee and then advise them to pay down their debt, for another nominal advisement fee.

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we learn that the State Dept and Intelligence had advance warning of these attacks on the consulates

gotta link to that?

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The joke goes somewhat like Jesse telling him, “if you really wanna make them mad, give me the hostages.”

You sure that was a joke? If I was Jesse, that would be my closing argument.

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This adminstration doesn’t even know if Egypt is an ally or an enemy.

I’ll bet you don’t either. I sure as heck can’t be sure.

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You laugh, Jay, but you’ll be singing a different tune once President Romney unleashes the full power of his super-secret magic underwear!

“Underpants powers–ACTIVATE!!!”

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I said it from day one but this whole episode and the timing of it all smells of a setup. Height of the political season, international incident, someone or group lit a fire and now it might just be burning out of control…

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Of course, Jay — we all know that Mitt favors waging war over diplomacy. War-mongering is always the Cons’ jobs program, and just look how successful they’ve been!

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Jay, I knew you were a liberal, but really? I think you and most of your suppporters know, down deep inside, that the only thing the radicals understand is strength.

Would Romney being POTUS stop the protests and occasional attacks? No. But there is no doubt things would be better than under Obama.

Countless threads here of the past record conservatives stating that Obama’s “lets just talk to them” policies would not work. You now have at least some evidence of that.

Obama’s whole being and philosphy leans toward sypmpathy to very people who will not stop until we are dead.

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This adminstration doesn’t even know if Egypt is an ally or an enemy.

What is your source for that claim, verbal?

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Under President Obama, we would have world peace? Really? (He even got a Nobel Peace Prize just for being elected and not being a Republican.) We see how that turned out.

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“I’ll bet you don’t either. I sure as heck can’t be sure.”

Fine, byte me. But do you go on national TV and say that??? Really? That was pretty stupid of Obama, don’t you think?

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Verbal,

Just cut and paste from your link the written evidence supporting your claim regarding tax cuts for all to be funded by reduced exemptions for the “high earners.” Please include your definition of a high earner along with the specific exemptions that will only affect said high earners. Thanks ever so much in advance.

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Romney’s naivety in domestic and world affairs is genuine: it comes from a lifetime of being shielding from reality. He truly believes that the cause of poverty is poor investment advice, and that American arrogance and bluster can calm the unrest among several billion hungry, ignorant people in the world.

Romney’s naivety islikely to be mistaken for profundity by Americans who are ignorant of arithmetic, geography, and history.

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“What is your source for that claim, verbal?”

“Asked about Egypt in general, Obama replied: “I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy.”

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Verbal, thank you for the link. It’s not entirely clear how a lockdown would have ended up with different results. You have a “credible” threat, but no specific target, so they couldn’t just ring every embassy in the world with guards. There were 30+ local guards, but a crowd of several hundred that also included the use of RPGs. The ambassador got away to a safe house, but when they were being led there by the local army, the house was ambushed (can you say “inside job?”). So what would a lockdown have changed? They got out of the embassy to a safe house, which is the way it’s supposed to work, but security there was breached as well. You just want us to abandon all embassies when there’s a non-specific target?

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[...] ChronicleNew NYT/CBS poll gives Obama lead — with registered votersWashington Post (blog)Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -New York Times (blog) -ABC News (blog)all 6,577 news [...]

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I thought Rush was already off in the deep end, but apparently he just went off. I wonder if he top that one.

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I totally agree. What has this little boy in the oval office done right so far.

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Why go on national TV and say that Jay? Is that what you are asking? If so, I have no clue why Obama would do that. It makes the US look indecisive for the whole world to see…for starters.

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Oh, I’ve seen Romney, I’ve seen Bain… I’ve seen Clinton speeches that I thought would never end…”

Sorry for the interruption. Back to foreign policy.

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barking frog

now if we could just dig up Andy Kaufman to sing it…

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It makes the US look indecisive for the whole world to see…for starters.

That’s your take. I thought it was an honest view of our ambivalence toward their new government that may or may not be anti-american. so… are they an ally or an enemy? If you can’t pick one, why would you expect the US Government to pick one?

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Taxpayer – Why don’t you just save the link and read it in it’s entirety when you have the time? I provided you with a source examining Romney’s plan after you asked the question. I’m not going to take my time to cut and paste from a PDF file. Thanks.

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Was President Obama weak when he gave the order to take down the worse person beside Hitler in the world history, and I am talking about Osama bin Laden. Was he weak then when we went after Bin Laden. No, and he is not weak now.

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Jay – I’m in disagreement over the forum that Obama choose to use to say that. You don’t conduct policy matters with foreign countries in the press do you?

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Republicans sacrificed Mittens to ensure a weak President would get re-elected.

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By attacking every word and action from Obama, Mitt’s Mutts are narrowing down their underdog’s number of yet to be released–like his tax returns and economic solutions and debt reduction and job creation and healthcare fix, etc.–perfect solutions to said issues. Share with us what Mitt the Romnificant would have done so perfectly.

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You don’t conduct policy matters with foreign countries in the press do you?

Is that a Netanyahoo quote.

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You don’t conduct policy matters with foreign countries in the press do you?

Actually, yes. Didn’t Bibi just do the same thing a few days ago with the USA?

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Americans are intolerant? You can’t be serious…can you? I’m afraid he is. Take your liberal little behind over there and see how tolerant those building-burning miscreants are.

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LOL what one left out word does………

Should be “the President is NOT free from responsibility.

Bet I get nit picked to death on that one………

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I dont know which would be better, obamagod or Romney but I do know this. obamagod has already proven he is a do nothing, spineless “leader”. He waits for something to happen and then either takes credit if it goes well or condems a scapegoat if it does not sometimes even evoking executive privilege to hide disasters. I’d rather have a leader like Romney than this Carter reincarnation. obamagod has to have a major conflict to avoid having to justify the last 4 miserable years under his rule so look for another conflict or things to escalate

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“And no, it’s not indecisive. It’s quite accurate. It puts the Egyptian government on notice that its status depends on how it behaves. I honestly don’t see the problem, and would like to have it explained to me.”

Check in with Jimmy Carter. He can help explain it to you.

But that is some serious spin you are trying on this one…..

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@Verbal Kint…”This adminstration doesn’t even know if Egypt is an ally or an enemy. ‘Smart Diplomacy’ in action!”

This Adminstration is sending Egypt a message…psssst if you want to get their attention having the President make a public comment is the equvilant of smacking them in the head.

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Surely, you don’t believe that the Mideast Policy of Romney would be the same as the current administration’s. It is the current US policy that has fostered a climate in Northern Africa to Eurasia that has given birth to this new Arab Spring or should I now say pre- Arab Winter that brings us an emboldened Iran completing its nuclear program; the de-facto disregard our only ally in the region Israel and inability to defend our own constitution by apologizing for freedom of speech.

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ByteMe – Got ilk?

September 14th, 2012
8:24 am

You don’t conduct policy matters with foreign countries in the press do you?

Actually, yes. Didn’t Bibi just do the same thing a few days ago with the USA?
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Who is BiBi? I know you folks are so hilarious with all the *clever* little names you can come up with for the people of the party you hate, (left and right), but as an Independent I don’t get the newsletters with all these clever little names and it’s hard to keep track.

Why can’t we just call folks by their names? Why does it have to be Bibi and Snowbilly Snooki, and the messiah, or Obumbo or any damn thing else. Well at least Odumbo has some resemblance of the Presidents name and can be figured out but Bibi? Wo IS that? How do we “get there” from any real name?

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“I honestly don’t see the problem.”

There is no problem of course, other than that the comment was made by the socialist Kenyan rather than by His Mittness.

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Meanwhile———-A bill in the House introduced by Republicans to fund the government at obscene levels for the next six months includes funding for foreign aid, including to Libya and Egypt. What fiscal conservatives those Republicans are!

Update: The House just passed the bill by a vote of 329-91. The Republican vote was 165-70. Ron Paul voted against it. Paul Ryan voted for it. What more needs to be said?
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It’s only money………the Bernack is printing tons of it.

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Common Sense

September 14th, 2012
8:26 am

Seems as if the recurring theme is Vote Obama because it would not be different under anyone else.

And that has to be the poorest of reason to keep someone in the White House possible.
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I see it as vote for Obama because Mitt Romney is a totally clueless asshat with no goals other than to increase his wealth and the wealth of his super rich *peers* while continuing to weaken our Country while strengthening the Chinese. Just like I voted for President Bush becasue John scary was such an elitist clueless jack ass.

But you spin things any way you want I reckon……….

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Fred: I recommend either increasing or decreasing the coffee intake. You’re either hyper or missing stuff, so adjust accordingly. Bibi is the prime minister of Israel.

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Mitt is one of those great products of “As Seen on TV”. Vote once for Mitt and we’ll throw in this mini-Paul Ryan and a ShamWOW. If you see it on TV, it’s got to be true.

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“Vote Obama because it would not be different under anyone else.”

Common Nonsense — the Dems and the Cons offer two very different viewpoints of the world and how it functions… that is, very clear choices for any voter who is paying attention!

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“Former President Jimmy Carter spoke to students at Drake University in Des Moines today and was asked if he agreed with what Obama said about Egypt:

Carter: “Egypt is an ally of the US, we know Egypt well.” ”

http://nation.foxnews.com/jimmy-carter/2012/09/13/jimmy-carter-corrects-obama

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Funny thing the subconscious mind. I typed John scary instead of John Kerry. Sorry.

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Patrick, that was awesome, thanks.

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Bibi?
I didn`t know either. I know Ray Ray, Bay Bay, and Say Hey, but not Bibi.

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“we learn that the State Dept and Intelligence had advance warning of these attacks on the consulates ”

As we were discussing yesterday…a little learning is a dangerous thing

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@Verbal Kint…”I have no clue why Obama would do that. It makes the US look indecisive for the whole world to see…for starters.”

And that is why you aren’t in foreign policy. He did it very clearly and very specifically to move Egypt off the fence and into supporting the concept that speech, however objectionable, should not be a cause for violence. …

“Egyptian President Mohammed Morsy initially focused his criticism on the film as an unacceptable insult to Islam.”

“But after speaking with President Barack Obama in what the White House described as a review of the “strategic partnership between the United States and Egypt,” Morsy directly criticized the attacks for the first time Thursday.”

“The Egyptian leader’s modified statement came a day after Obama hinted at where things stand between the countries. “I don’t think we would consider Egypt an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy,” Obama said. ”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/arab-leaders-reactions/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

Makes all the sense in the world, unless viewed through the lens of Right Wing angst.

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Egypt intelligence warns of attacks on Israel, US embassies

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=284684

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Obama is like the snuggie. Warm, fuzzy, but no value add and a rip off.

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“There’s a pretty compelling story that if you had a President Romney, you’d be in a different situation,” Richard Williamson, a top Romney foreign policy adviser, said in an interview.

I read this statement and just went WOW. Okay, Mr. Williamson please explain how the situation would be different? It’s one thing to throw something out there, it’s another to be to back it up with factual assessments?

Would Mr. Romney going to send troops into Egypt and Libya? Would he ask for declaration of war against either or both countries? How would he identify those responsible? Or would simoly puts booth on the ground with an unclear, undefinded mission. I, for one, have way too much of that kind of thinking in the past.

The Middle East was, is and will always be anti America. If this country decides it must maintain a presence and its influence just accept the fact that our personnel will be targets. No one who serves in the State Department or Diplomatic Services is in the dark about that risk. I would expect our President to have the intelligence community to do their best to identify those responsible and then have the Military/Special Forces community to target those persons and do what they do best, eliminate the threat.

The rhetoric about bombing or invading or other silly nonsense is just assinine!

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Why won’t Obama stop inciting all this violence against us?

“Senior officials are increasingly convinced, however, that the ferocious nature of the Benghazi attack, in which rocket-propelled grenades were used, indicated it was not the result of spontaneous anger due to the video, called Innocence of Muslims. Patrick Kennedy, Under-Secretary at the State Department, said he was convinced the assault was planned due to its extensive nature and the proliferation of weapons.

There is growing belief that the attack was in revenge for the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, an al-Qa’ida operative who was, as his nom-de-guerre Abu Yahya al-Libi suggests, from Libya, and timed for the anniversary of the 11 September attacks.”

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Verbal Kint,

Your link does not prove your claim. Sign off for however long it takes you to figure that out.

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We ARE talking about the same super foreign policy expert Mitt Romney aren’t we? The one who doesn’t know an Embassy from a Consulate?

http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-gets-capital-of-libya-wrong-in.html

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jay”" the water boy” spews the typical hate of democrats against those that dont agree with their point of view. that is a right and privilage that you have under the constitution. but that right also falls to every citizen of this country. and last check mr romney is an american citizen. your point of view is askewed by your inability to talk without name calling. why dont you grow up and be more civil in your writing. you remind me of the child on the play ground that didnt get his way or was bullied by others because you didnt fit in with the crowd. the truth is that no president (democrat or republican) know what the future brings and that we can only hope that when the moment comes that they are prepared to take the action most appropriate for the situation. the fact that mr obama chose to go to las vegas for a fund raiser doesnt speak well of his judgement. mrs clinton showed she was more presidental than the man she works for. the bottom line: mr romney has all the right to speak out regardless if he dosent agree with your point of view. that is what makes this country so unique. we dont surpresses the individual right to speak something you folks on the left fail to understand.

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JDW and TN_Realist: Well said. Good posts, both of you. (except your last line JDW lol, you could have left that part off. But it WAS still true).

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“You want Obama to stop killing AQ leaders? You believe that’s a bad thing?”

He’s obviously creating terrorists and terrorism against us and our allies….

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Oh wait, I’m sorry, only Bush’s ME policies did that (insert rolleyes here)

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uncloudyday

September 14th, 2012
8:51 am
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Wow. what a laugh. He starts off his post with: jay”” the water boy”

and then writes:your point of view is askewed by your inability to talk without name calling

Really? He starts of by calling jay a name and then piously states that? The right wing fanatical nutcase hypocrites never fail to amaze me. It’s humorous their double standards. What’s even more funny is the fact that they fail to see and acknowledge that. No wonder they are so easily mind controlled by talk radio hosts…….

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Stevie ray

” ME is about to be engulfed in anti-American flames”

Like thats new or even news….

DUH

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GT,

So you are blaming the GOP and Bush and simultaneously suggesting the collective DEM IQ is superior? I don’t care for either but at least the GOP are trying to at least do something about issues today…unlike your genius’ who live off pixiedust and an energy policy that is 20 years before its time..forgetting a completely failed foreign policy by any measure….oh and we are broke..

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Don’t you love politics. What seems to be not mentioned or lost was that part of the strategy of bringing Democracy to Iraq, would be that it would encourage arabs in other countries to begin to push for freedom. This, in essence was the Bush Doctrine. Their thinking was that this would eventually stabilize the region, where clear thinking Arabs would embrace their new freedom and credit the United States for getting it started.

I never understood this rationale (see Iran 1980). Unless you were going to park tanks in every country until each country could work through a ‘fair’ process, then you risked the radicals (the most organized ‘by far’) of taking control of said country (see Egypt 2012).

In short, neither man will be capable of stablizing the region. They will hate Romney, just as they have learned to hate Obama.

What we REALLY need to focus on is an energy policy that makes the United States ‘energy independant’ – which means ‘everything’ is on the table. Up production of oil, convert truck lines to natural gas, look to convert some cars – especially larger vehicles (SUV’S and Trucks) to Natural Gas.

Continue to invest into wind and solar and while everyone laughs at the algea concept – if you ever crack that code – it is ‘hands down’ the best substainable resource we could hope for.

As we become less dependant on the region, we can have a more ‘honest’ policy that will best serve the people in that part of the world. This means less influence by the U.S. – which makes is tougher for the radicals to use the U.S. as the ‘vehicle’ that serves their purpose – which is a radical region.

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What we’re witnessing is a major political party in the throes of death. It is painful to watch as the Republican party writhes in anguish as light shineson their ignorance; spits on those who stand for truth, compassion and wisdom; shouts bold-faced lies while eschewing fact checking; bites and snipes at the reasonable and honest among us; and snarls at women, minorities, the poor, students, the educated and the middle class. A major political party can’t conduct itself like this and win. This election cycle is their last stand unless they do some soul searching and manage to change.

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That ‘Fire & Rain’ parody by Fallen was really funny. Great way to start a Friday.

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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/09/14/obama-birth-certificate-kansas-ballot/70000327/1

So a top Romney advisor is a birther. Why am I not suprised?

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@ Atlanta 1, I so agree with your post! For the last 30 years we’ve allowed a gun to be pointet at our collective heads by a region that depises who and what the U.S. is. If we were independent of the oil that is under their lands does anyone here think that the ME would mean two hoots to the U.S. It is oil and only oil that gives them any leverage. Yet the notion of of developing alternative energy is lambasted and rediculed by so many on here!

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ATLANTA

Awesome…someone else has a clue. Typical policians although it is extremely discouraging how the incumbent guy does nothing notable in either area except run that big gob housed in an Alfred E Newman head. Romney will not fare any better either.

BO plays up his “energy policy” on the shoulders of energy sources that cost 5 times what we pay now..great for science fiction but bad for us today…I like the idea that we focus on any or all, natural gas, oil, fracking, etcetera with low but gradually growing investment in future technologies…

We definitely need to elimnate our “interest” in ME so we can simply vanish and stop peddling our democracy to them…they aren’t ready and need to have their own civil wars to determine what’s best for them…we can only kick that ball down the road with our cash..

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Well maybe Mitt would not have slept through the attacks in Benghazi and maybe under Mitt’s watch the marines would have been armed and maybe under Mitt the safe houses for consulate and embassy personnel would have been kept secret and maybe under Mitt the fact that the attacks had been planned since July or August would have prompted a few contingency plans—but as Ben LaBolt and the Obama apologists in much of the media splutter, *but but the timing,* and *look, look over there at Mitt!*

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skydog

September 14th, 2012
9:05 am

So what? Am I supposed to be impressed or something?

It was their choice, ain’t America great?

They are not heros or whatever sort of hyper-Americans you imagine them to be. They, you, and your company get paid – that’s your thanks.

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I say let them keep thinking that Mitt is somehow really strong and Obama isn’t. Let them keep pushing it. Some things are just so ridiculous that even the Republicans who would have reluctantly held their nose and press the button for Romney are starting to reconsider it.

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MARTY,

Could it be that BO’s folks had consistent information that is now being suggested that Bush had advanced notice of 911? Bizzare. BO is gonna set back 10 years of rebuilding intelligence network in Libya by release of our trusted moles…

Obama only cares about himself…anyone who doubts that should read Bob Woodwards new book which collaborates much that was already written my Miniter in Leading From Behind

If you libs have the cujones to be openminded instead of protecting BO like his is your mother, take a look at another view of his non-existent leadership skills…he is a complete phoney but is like the pied piper with his command of the teleprompter…

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Just listen to Bookman’s rhetoric this morning. Just listen to Bookman’s myrmidons this fine day. He’s really fired up and his little sharks are going crazy.

Sure does sound like damage control and the smell of fear to me. They all know that their case in defending this inept community organizer is a nightmare. First it was the sour economy. Then it was the unemployment. Then it was the down grading of this country’s credit rating. Then it was the trillions of debt created by Obama’s administration. And now……..it is his foreign policy.

As I have said over and over again…what you see is what you’ve get. A true bonified loser. In over his head and totally out of his league. Someone that no one in his right mind can defend other than fools following the fool. Those fools belong to the liberal left and the lunatic ideas that they put forth. What you see is what you get.

Your bumbling president has sat on his hands during the Georgian conflict, the Iranian nuclear build up, the Arab Spring disgrace, the Syrian civil war, and now the embassy overruns and murders. He has also “led from behind” in the economic fight, the Afghan fight, and the congressional fight. Even Nancy Pelosi puts this fool on mute.

Sorry, Bookman & Friends. You ain’t got nothing to crow about and you look ridiculous defending your empty suit choice.

We have a foreign policy crisis and what does Bookman’s choice do? He gets on his big ride and heads out to Vegas for a fund raiser, stops by Golden, CO for more money and lets his wacky staff back home handle the mess.

Leading from the rear again. Keep up the pretense, Bookman. You look as zany as the man you defend.

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Time for a lesson in reading comprehension: Mr. Williamson’s statement does not say the “middle east would be calm.” It says that the cowards in the middle east do not attack forbidding targets, or targets that are likely to counterattack. Mr. Williamson merely says the Obama policy – appeasement for middle east loonies – is a manifest failure, and almost anything else would have produced a different result.

Leftists never bother to explain why Iran held captives during the administration of Obama-like Carter, and then released them the minute a perceived crazy war-monger became president. That was rational behavior by a perceived irrational culture.

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Maybe he should just stick his head up his own arse and go to Vegas for a fund raiser? Seems to work for the present administration. Point is, Carter and now Obama have weak, if not, nonexistent foreign policies that make us appear weak to our enemies. Hell, Obama can’t make up his mind whether Libya is an ally or not! Bush got this one right…”either you are for us or you are against us.” There is no middle ground on this one! Our embassy got caught with our pants down because Hillary and Barack ignored reports of an impending attack and now 4 Americans are dead! They both have blood on their hands. Say whatever you like…

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Jay,

BTW: The Daily Kos is a hack machine for the left. They are worse the Brietbart.

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Jay
September 14th, 2012
9:10 am

Why do you feel the need to lie?

You are much smarter than that and able to make your point without lying.

You wrote…. “Obama committed to tracking down bin Laden; Romney said it wasn’t important”

He said nothing of the sort, but you know that. So why lie when it’s not needed?

Here is the full quote

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LIZ SIDOTI: “Why haven’t we caught bin Laden in your opinion?”

GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: “I think, I wouldn’t want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He’s one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He’s by no means the only leader. It’s a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It’s not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that.”

In other words, Governor Romney suggested that a lot more strategic effort was needed to defeat the global jihad rather than just wasting time and money chasing one man. Here’s a bit more:

SIDOTI: “But would the world be safer if bin laden were caught?”

GOVERNOR ROMNEY: “Yes, but by a small percentage increase – a very insignificant increase in safety by virtue of replacing bin Laden with someone else. Zarqawi – we celebrated the killing of Zarqawi, but he was quickly replaced. Global Jihad is not an effort that is being populated by a handful or even a football stadium full of people. It is – it involves millions of people and is going to require a far more comprehensive strategy than a targeted approach for bin laden or a few of his associates.”

SIDOTI: “Do you fault the administration for not catching him though? I mean, they’ve had quite a few years going after him.”

GOVERNOR ROMNEY: “There are many things that have not been done perfectly in any conduct of war. In the Second World War, we paratroopered in our troops further than they were supposed to be from the beaches. We landed in places on the beaches that weren’t anticipated. Do I fault Eisenhower? No, he won. And I’m nowhere near as consumed with bin Laden as I am concerned about global Jihadist efforts.”

I’ll conclude with another quote, this time from President Barack Obama in a CBS interview right after our Navy SEALS assassinated Osama bin-Laden: “You know, we don’t trot out this stuff as trophies. Americans and people around the world are glad that he’s gone. But we don’t need to spike the football.”

And to think Jay you wrote an entire piece about how the you didn’t build that being taken out of context.

Why do you not hold yourself to the same standards?

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“…no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people…”

You’re right, it worked for Obama in 2004! Freshman senator with not much experience, other than the nebulous title of “Community Organizer,” gets the highest position in the U.S. without any vetting whatsoever. I hope the American people are smarter now after four years of incompetent domestic and foreign policies from this narcissistic despot.

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Marty Huggins’

September 14th, 2012
9:14 am

Try reading the linked article.

That memo was from the Marine Corps.

Are you calling them liars?

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Dear Jay @ 9:10, do you not realize that the “targeting” policy of Obama is the reason that the loonies attack. They think that Obama will only get one selected nut at a time, that he is too cowardly to bring massive force against a large group. That is the reason all of the vaunted “accomplishments” of sharp-shooter Barack have proven flaccid against the larger problem.

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Jay,

The only logic here is that Romney’s campaign has stepped in it and can’t get it off their shoes.

I know I keep beating my own little drum over here but, for me, both parties have lost my vote. I think they are all just interested in getting re-elected instead of really solving our huge debt problem(s).

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Jay, if I read some of your posts without knowing who wrote them I would think they were written by a 7th grade girl. Your intentional misspelling of Romney’s name is juvenile. You guys go nuts when someone uses Obama’s full name but you have no problem taking the rhetoric a notch lower. Any time Obama demostrates poor decision making, you default to criticizing ex-presidents. It’s getting difficult to maintain interest.

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JAY,

I’m in no way shape or form defending Romney or guessing like you and your blue sheep, how things would be different under his adminstration…that’s conjecture….read Woodwards or Miniter’s book if you have the courage and open mind, and tell me this guy has a spine..

Whoopey! He called for no-fly zone and got OBL (with benefit from the intell network rebuilt over 10 years….his predecessors deserve credit as well…) His only claim to fame it ‘getting” OBL..a great diversion to his collosal failures on ALL other fronts…

I guess you will keep defending him like he is your mother..

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” If Elizabeth Warren were to lose her Senate race in Massachusetts or Tim Kaine were to lose his in Virginia, Obama might offer a Cabinet slot as a consolation prize.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81199_Page2.html#ixzz26Ryx30Uj

vomit.

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Well its simple to get all them AQ people at once even though they intentionally don’t group up because they know they are targeted….. we just invite them for a BBQ and group photo shoot. Heck they won’t want to miss the party of their lifetime. It will end with a bang.

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Meant 2008, not 2004…guess it just like his presidency has gone on so much longer than a mere four years…dog years, they are.

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Under Romney we’ll be at war with Iran, is that what everyone wants?

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JAY,

I do recall President Trillions promising to :

Improve our image abroad
End the days of lobbyist controlling the DC agenda
Cutting the deficit in half
Meeting one-on-one with IRAN

At least he can actually blame the actual leader of this crap HC bill if it doesn’t work out on the true leader of that debacle..Pelosi….he had zero to offer on this “signature” piece of cheese.

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What’s that I smell? Yes, yes I think it is. Desperation.

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Jay

September 14th, 2012
9:20 am

If Limbaugh says it, and if Daily Kos reports it, does that mean that Limbaugh didn’t really say it? Help me out here, I’m having trouble with your trail of logic.

And if you had actually read the transcripts then you would have noticed that Rush started this whole monologue as “My wild wild off the wall theory of the day” Now does this sound like entertainment or does sound like he is serious?

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I suppose it would be asking too much of Stevie to just post the excerpts from Woodward’s book that he wishes to use to build up whatever case it is that he is trying to present.

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God the rubes here. It’s amazing. Fortunately though they really don’t seem to be consistent with the “mainstream of US society’ that you’re always talking about Jay.

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RESULT, he cast the first stone that led to the obstructionist tone in DC on his watch..

Right………… the first night of his administration , he had a cabinet meeting and decided not to work with Republicans on anything so he could win the White House in 2012.

Not that certain leaders of an opposing political party did that on Jan. 20, 2009.

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JAY,

Your response to my response is typical of one who has nothing to offer in rebuttal….if any GOP were running on your surrogate mothers record of killing bin laden and what ever else you can contrive in his favor, you’d be screaming this opposite tone.

At some point, your taking of every issue and thinking many of us care what Romney would do is BS and irrelevant…conjecture as a defense is beneath you JAY.

Finally, yes it is likely that BO had similar nebulous information that in either case, didn’t actually pinpoint the exact means, time or place in a vast area that could have been defended…

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Let’s see- a little recap of the week

We learned that freedom of speech is only allowed if approved by the liberals. I seem to remember the ol’ crucifix in urine “freedom of speech” being funded by the gov’t. Shockingly no diplomats were murdered and no towers fell. Nevertheless Jay enables the ignorant rants of “knuckle draggers” so therefore he must enjoy the term. Right? If you don’t condemn it you must approve it if you are in control of the blog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

We then followed with the greatly anticipated QEIII as it will really work this time. For all you un and underemployed bloggers out there please do hold your breath and Jay, be ready to administer CPR.

John Wooden said it best “never mistake activity for achievement”- or in this case expense with investment.

How about a little travelin’ music from R. Kelly “I believe I can fly”

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Well, I see a bunch of people are going to sue NYC over this ban on selling big drinks. And I don’t blame them. We got a Constitutional Right to walk around carrying a gallon of Coke in a foam cup.

And just think of all the Private Innerprize this ban is stifling. A whole bunch of Norman Einsteens make their living off of this big drink thing (”Look, Norm. This will hold a half gallon–easy. And if we taper it down here it can fit in a cup holder. Heck, there’s even room to put in a little urinal here on the side.”)

Anyway, have a good Friday everybody. I hope somebody is digging up some Merle Travis for tonight.

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Thomas 9:36 Oh FFS are you kidding me? You’re dredging up that old song and dance about the crucifix from 20 years ago? Unbelievable.

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Poor Stevie Ray. He seems to be ignoring the jokers to his right more often than not while simultaneously failing to support his claims of leftist clowns everywhere he looks.

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Google “Obama’s Katrina.” It was Obama’s fault the oil spill happened AND he should have gone down there and plugged it himself. Despite the fact that Romney would likely NOT make the case that a very clear arm of the Federal Government, the U.S. Coast Guard, was on the scene from day one. Somehow, because they were doing something good, they are not “part of the administration” in the same way an Embassy is.

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skydog

September 14th, 2012
9:28 am
I don`t know if there is a difference Fred.

Everybody there, is there for profit.
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Are you kidding me? People join our military for PROFIT? I can see you were never a soldier or even really knew any.

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If you want kudos for your overpaid contractors, fish for it elsewhere.
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I`m not looking for kudos. Just letting you know how your money is being spent. If you want to play war, then hire enough troops to do the job. You are paying 10 times the going rate by not having enough military for your wars.

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Under his vast foreign policy expertise and his staff’s great foreign policy research, Mr. Romney said he would promise to name the country a currency manipulator when if elected. Never mind the fact that he made considerable wealth doing business with them. Ooooooops !!

China’s official Xinhua news agency said Mitt Romney’s attacks on China are foolish and hypocritical.

“It is rather ironic that a considerable portion of this China-battering politician’s wealth was actually obtained by doing business with Chinese companies before he entered politics,” Xinhua wrote.

I normally don’t pay to much attention to their news, but this was funny.

http://www.reuters.com/​article/2012/09/14/​us-usa-campaign-romney-china-id​USBRE88D09G20120914

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“They think they can prove “both sides do it” ”

Adam — it’s kinda like listening to kids in Kindergarten when we all said “I know you are, but what am I!”

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Aquagirl

September 14th, 2012
9:35 am

My company is doing close to what the C-Bees do.

Except for y’know, actually being IN THE MILITARY.

Overseas contractors are free at any time to say “nope, not doing that.” They might not get paid, I guess a company might get sued in civil court, at most. But nobody will imprison or hang you if you refuse to install some wiring.

If you want kudos for your overpaid contractors, fish for it elsewhere.
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Damn. Aquagirl you are on a ROLL today. I’m gonna stay out of your way lol. That’s your second knockout.

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TAXPAYER,

Try something out of the box for you and your betheren blue sheep (mindlessly passing the time in the grasslands awaaaaaaaaayyyy) and read some of the books that counter all your arguments for your idol….May expand your mind and help sharpen your defense of your surrogate mother..

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If you want to play war, then hire enough troops to do the job.

I encourage the Armchair Chickenhawks every chance I get, yet every day they’re still here instead of at the nearest enlistment station. If your point was that wars via hired contractors aren’t a good idea, I agree and apologize for misunderstanding your point.

The wingnuts here think we should have had thousands of Marines running left,right, and sideways while never stopping to consider just how many Marines we have available for potential threats. I wish they’d go take some Viagra if they feel they aren’t manly enough instead of insisting someone else go die for their feelings of shrinkage.

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In an interview with George Stephanopoulos, Romney defined middle income as $200,000 to $250,000 a year.

Wow!

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-romney-debates-obama-things-arent-true-105805916–abc-news-politics.html

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Actually, it wasn’t to Eric Canter, it was to Senator John Kyl , Steve………….

The top congressional leaders from both parties gathered at the White House for a working discussion over the shape and size of President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus plan. The meeting was designed to promote bipartisanship.

But Obama showed that in an ideological debate, he’s not averse to using a jab.

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

The statement was prompted by Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona , who challenged the president and the Democratic leaders over the balance between the package’s spending and tax cuts, bringing up the traditional Republican notion that a tax credit for people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes is not a tax cut but a government check.

Obama noted that such workers pay Social Security and Medicare taxes, property taxes and sales taxes. The issue was widely debated during the presidential campaign, when Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, challenged Obama’s tax plan as “welfare.”

With those two words — “I won” — the Democratic president let the Republicans know that debate has been put to rest Nov. 4 .

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Here are the brass tacks: Obama is an appeaser on Iran

Romney is not. Do you want a nuclear armed Iran or not? I don’t.

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BERNIE/LARRY

If Romney had this….he would do that…..blah blah blah….defending your surrogate mother by supposing what another may do if elected is not even a valid argument for our current situation…

No body is better off domestically or abroad and all you sheep want to posit is that “things will be so much worse if we are without Obama….

Weak cheese.

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Stevie Ray-do you know Woodward’s book has already been discredited and deemed fiction? If you were foolish enough to pay money for that then may I direct you to high school drop out Karen Handel’s novel? book publishers have to make a living too.

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I forgot to add , that was from an article in the WSJ……………..

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/01/23/obama-to-gop-i-won/

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Welcome to the Occupation

“You’re dredging up that old song and dance about the crucifix from 20 years ago? Unbelievable”

OK- we now learned something else- relevant means it had to have happened yesterday. If it weren’t so sad it would be funny. What was the name of the crack pot who laid out the theory of relativity- oh yeah- it is not relevant anymore.

Anyway- toodles to the occupiers- may your life be filled with handouts. Back to working and hiring folks for the rest of us.

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Jm

And Romney told you this?

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Thomas: “Back to working and hiring folks for the rest of us.”

I really hate it when people sign off with that.

Why do people think it’s something to be proud of that you’re “being productive”.

You’re being way too obedient and docile. Instead of “getting back to work” you ought to be ORGANIZING.

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Romney and his advisors should have said nothing.

At the end of the day, we still have an economy in the toilet, high unemployment, continuing exobomic data that is terrible, a murdered ambassador, a torched embassy, trouble around the world with economies, unrest in the middle east, and a President who accepts no blame for anything.

As bad as it all is, it would be even worse under Romney. That is, if, you subscribe to the Obama newsletter.

Obama/Biden 2012
Expect Less!

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BMAN,

Classic bumper sticker…

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@ b-troll and how do you suggest that be accomplished?

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Verbal Kint: “When Obama says that Egypt is not an ally or an enemy and then HIS State Department has to clarify, THAT is a blunder and says that the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing. Inconsistency and sends a mixed message.”

Why is a ‘mixed’ message necessarily a bad or ineffective one? And why does it necessarily mean the left hand doesn’t know what right hand is doing? Power always by definition has multiple ‘arms’ and it’s not unusual for one to say one thing and the other something else. It’s the rule.

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Well the KKK is suing Ga and a few others for violating their constitutional rights. I guess the NAACP should storm the embassy and kill three or four. That would teach them. It works for the islam.

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“Would Romney being POTUS stop the protests and occasional attacks? No. But there is no doubt things would be better than under Obama.”

Really?

Who let OBL ride out of Tora Bora on a donkey? Who green flagged putting two bullets in OBL’s head?

As fake, plastic and flip floppy as Mittens is, I don’t think his presidency would be any more “respected” or feared than Obama’s is, or W’s was, or Slick Willy, et al…

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Stevie Ray,

How about posting some of Obama’s exact sentences rather than a sequence of exact words, if you follow my drift.

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Jay
September 14th, 2012
9:52 am

But there are many on your blog that do just that.

You seem to have something to say to those who accuse Obama of it but you stand silent when it is stated about Bush.

My last paragraph refers to lying in an earlier post about Romney and his feelings towards Bin Laden.
You have made the claim several times and as you spewed it in an earlier post it is false and I feel you are informed enough to know it is false.

Go back to the last page if you wish to see it again.

You wrote an entire article about the GOP taking the you didn’t built that quote out of context.
Then you go and do the exact same thing to Romney on a quote.

Why is it ok for one side to lie but not the other.

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Jay, you sarcastic pile!!!

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According to Jim Galloway, Saxby Chambliss weighed in on Romney’s statement and here is what he had to say:

”Look, we are less than 60 days out from the election of the next president…This is a heated campaign, and I think it is incumbent upon anybody that wants to be commander-in-chief to speak on matters of national security when times of emergency arise. That’s exactly what Governor Romney did. I won’t even go into what he said, because that part of it is immaterial. The fact is that he gave a response, and his response was very strong.”

Translation– “When anything hits the fan, make a big, bold, inflamatory statement as soon as possible. Don’t wait for any facts to influence said statement”.

Nice.

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What will the liberals gain if Obama remains in office? What lures the liberals to the Obama bench? I can not find that info anywhere. I looked under jobs, foreign policy, uniting the country, and several other places. I can not find anything. Can any of you help me?

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I won’t even go into what he said, because that part of it is immaterial

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yaker

You’ve been watching too many fantasy movies, reality is a bit more sober…

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willie

I’d say its because he is a democrat and mostly because he’s not romney…

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Adam
September 14th, 2012
10:05 am

It would be wise to read all of the post leading up to something.

Jay asked a question! It was in response to Jays response to my answer in which proclaimed himself to not attack Bush for having prior knowledge of the attacks on 911

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Williebkind: What will the liberals gain if Obama remains in office?

I can’t speak for liberals, but I know the COUNTRY will gain much needed regulations on health insurance companies, bare minimum requirements for health plans, a leader that won’t go to war every time something stirs the pot, who won’t meet with a world leader who tries to tell him and the U.S. what to do publicly until that world leader has a chance to cool off, a continued respect from other western cultures that our populace is not, in fact, still majority stupid, abortions as needed and as wanted regardless of how that hurts religious people’s feelings, a chairman of the Federal Reserve who actually tries to do his job properly, women paying the same for a health insurance plan as men, etc etc etc.

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“What will the liberals gain if Obama remains in office? ”

Mostly that we will not be partying like it’s 1959!

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“What will the liberals gain if Obama remains in office? ”

Mostly that we will not be partying like it’s 1959!

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CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“Although Mitt’s hairgel is potentially scarier than a gruesome death”

LOL — Mitt really lays that gel on thick, Aqua — gruesome indeed!

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Marty: Jay asked a question! It was in response to Jays response to my answer in which proclaimed himself to not attack Bush for having prior knowledge of the attacks on 911

In which he ALSO said he has defended Bush against those charges. Yet you claim he does no such thing for anyone on the right. Ever. In fact, he has defended people on the right as a major point of his blog posts before, and he has also attacked Democrats as a major point of his blog posts before.

Not that it should really matter. One does not to be seen as even handed in a world where one side really IS that much worse than the other. “Liberal media” is nothing more than a “shut up unless you’re going to take my side” argument. So, thanks but no thanks. People don’t avoid telling the truth just because it makes you uncomfortable. And no one ever truly gains credibility just by being even handed or loses it for placing the blame where it belongs.

This is not a “both sides do it” thing. This is an international incident that has nothing to do with R vs. D.

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Goldie:

“I get the word today from the DNC today to say that the Cons are exuberant over the fact that 4 Americans from the State Dept. were killed this week, and Cairo is rioting”

There I fixed you obfuscatory!

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THEYBOTHSUCK,

I can’t think of any modern day politician who won’t say anything to get elected..more examples than not wouldn’t you agree?

I think we share the same mindset relative to our best of the worse sort of choice we get every 4 years…

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Meanwhile, we learn that the State Dept and Intelligence had advance warning of these attacks on the consulates and the adminstration did…..what for it………nothing.

Sigh…………….

This “unnamed sources” bull came from the British Newspaper the Independent. Tony Blair said of the Indepedent,” In a 12 June 2007 speech British Prime Minister Tony Blair called The Independent a “viewspaper”, saying it “was started as an antidote to the idea of journalism as views not news. That was why it was called the Independent. Today it is avowedly a viewspaper not merely a newspaper”.

In 2007, Alan Rusbridger, editor of The Guardian, said of The Independent: “The emphasis on views, not news, means that the reporting is rather thin, and it loses impact on the front page the more you do that.

IOW – The Independent may be the American National Enquirer…….

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Romney/ Ryan — We Do It For Corporate Welfare!

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It would be wise to read all of the post leading up to something.

It would be wise to write in an understandable fashion. Phrases like “it was in response to Jays response to my answer in which proclaimed himself to not attack Bush” may make perfect sense in your head. However they’re incomprehensible to the rest of us, no matter how many times we run our eyes over that pile of word spaghetti.

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Any of those suggesting the GOP is happy about the deaths of embassy staff is nothing but pure drama…Romney should have waited to speak and he didn’t…that will be forgotten but these deaths and upon who’s watch they occurred with shine forever in BO’s legacy….

the same could be said of 9/11 and Dumbya. Pot / Kettle type of thing don’t ya think?

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There is plenty of corruption in the PUBLIC sector. Time to hire an outside agency to investigate Congress.

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GOLDIE,

Did you ever notice that guys who paint their hair always have that grey left on the sideburns that the hair dressers call “distinguished”? I tried that at one point and felt like a cheese merchant…I also realized that nobody naturally gets grey only on their sideburns….his hair may be the only thing that can anchor us if he is elected…from a postural perspective, he is only surpassed in stiffness by Al Gore.

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HDB

September 14th, 2012
10:18 am

Now that is a liberal far reaching…how about FDR getting us into WWII by letting the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor. 52 plus million died and entire countries destroyed.

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All of you that discredit the President’s role in the killing of Bin Laden; he was the ONLY one that could give that order and take the heat if it failed.

Nobody on this blog,in Georgia, or in the US could have done it, because they didn’t have the authority. To attack a target in a Foreign (supposed ally) nation without approval from the highest level would not have happened.

If you weren’t the one making the call and for you armchair quarterbacks please shutup, IF POSSIBLE.

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Jay – When has the middle east EVER been calm? It never has and never will until judgement day. Nothing to do out there in the desert but ride camels and start wars. That’s their entertainment. The desert is boring, boring, boring.

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Obama could be off CAMPAIGNING in Vegas and Colorado during this whole mess and Jay would still support him.

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Well, kissing the Muslims sure has not worked…hugging up to the muslim Brother hood and ignoring Isreal sure has not worked….waht a fine mess you have us in Barry…yea, lets keep the same policies we have had for the last four years…New York may just look like Cairo next year…goooo Barry AKA Obama

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Williebkind
September 14th, 2012
10:05 am

What will the liberals gain if Obama remains in office? What lures the liberals to the Obama bench? I can not find that info anywhere. I looked under jobs, foreign policy, uniting the country, and several other places. I can not find anything. Can any of you help me?
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The Supreme Court picks.

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kayaker: We don’t pat down old ladies because some Baptist might put a bomb on an airliner. Last time I looked, all of the perps on 9/11 were Arabs. The ‘93 WTC bombing wasn’t done by a bunch of Presbyterians. Are you really paying attention?

Please tell me the last time an F-16 shot down an airliner with a bomb on it. Thanks in advance.

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DebbieDoRight – A Con Is Only Patriotic When Another Con Is President…
September 14th, 2012
10:24 am

1st I read almost daily since I returned to Georgia.

Went back and check plenty of people brought up Bush knowing just Yesterday alone.

Jay did not correct one poster.

Jay then Adam and Now can we add you to the mix of people who are claiming Jay does in fact do something but none offer up any proof to their claim.

2nd Why should it be upon me to provide the evidence for what y’all claim?

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Steve Shamrock: “Obama could be off CAMPAIGNING in Vegas and Colorado during this whole mess and Jay would still support him”

It just kills you doesn’t it?

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Tbs 9:56

Romney is actually pretty tight with Bibi

Draw your own conspiracy theories from that

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BO? Now that stinks.

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Dear Jay @ 9:25, I could have written the same words about your essay, but elected instead to give you argument with reason instead of mere contradiction and denigration. Thus the difference between principled conservatives and run of the mill leftists

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-8.0+ Unemployment for 4 years
-$16 Trillion in Debt
-Egypt a mess
-Libya a mess
-Iran a mess
-46 million on food stamps
-God not part of the Democratic Platform (Bill Maher is happy)
-Israel being thrown under the bus

People are worried…time for a change.

Vote Romney/Ryan in 2012.

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oops, meant to link that… sorry

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b-troll — “Here are the brass tacks: Obama is an appeaser on Iran”

Denied. STUXNET and Flame are proof to the contrary.

“Romney is not.”

Romney is a nitwit; a lightweight with no military experience and no history of swinging a big stick. If he were to be elected, which he won’t be, I imagine some of our more crazoid enemies (read: al-Qaeda) would give him a little test within his first few days in office. Then they’d know how tough — or not — he really was. I don’t expect he’d pass.

“Do you want a nuclear armed Iran or not? I don’t.”

President Bush already gave us a nuclear-armed North Korea by doing away with Clinton’s Agreed Framework. How do you feel about that?

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TN realist 9:59

The unfortunate, but only practical solution, after diplomacy rubs out, are bombs

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THEYBOTHSUCK,

I don’t see how it matters until we get the private money completely out of politics and return governments focus 100% on our welfare…..I’m a math guy and even when I feel my data is above reproach, I know is if the formula I’m populating with my great data is flawed…I get flawed result…to me, nothing else remotely matters….

The idea that over 2 billion is spent by the respective parties is a sign….94% of elections won by who spends the most..ergo, we have an auction as opposed to an election..

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I`m not anti-soldier Fred.

I have worked around turbines with some great ex Navy submarine guys, but they were the exceptions.
Industrial Construction does not end after 40 hours and you may have to work through breaks.

The last ex-military I worked with 2 years ago was this youngster we hired because my company got a tax break for hiring ex-military.
He was classified a Logistics expert.
We had to get a big turbine generator from Detroit to Toledo. He spent months doing something?

I get a call that our generator is stuck under an overpass on the interstate.
I go see the Logistics expert. He explains he never had to do this type of work in Iraq.
I asked him what was his job in Iraq was, to be classified a Logistics expert.
He said, “I rode shotgun with a shotgun for weapons deliveries.

Do you know how much it cost to go around an interstate bridge? $352,613.19

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JM,

We have the option to simply bail…..cut all our “donations’ to these countries in half, bring our troops home, and clean up our own backyard instead of peddling our form of broken democracy to these countries who are not ready…expensive way to not get cheaper oil….

Of course the defense contractors combined with testosterone fueled egos will always win…that’s where the money is at!

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Tbs

Sooth is the expert on conspiracy theories

Ask him

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All you liberals and transplants should head back north because Ga will be red after the election of Romney. Like Mathews if you want that warm and fuzzy feeling running down your legs, I suggest Chicago.

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Williebkind
September 14th, 2012
10:31 am

TiredOfIt

September 14th, 2012
10:28 am
Yes that could be one but the liberals continue to say that the average voter is stupid so how would the voter know about when and where the justices would be picked.
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I believe “average voter” in this case referrers to the Tea Party, not normal Americans

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Get ready for this evening …………… after the Radical Muslims are through with their evening prayers ………. they really get testy then !

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Romney could not bring calm to the U.K.

Every other statement is a stumble.

Saying he could bring calm to the Middle East is a real joke.

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Stevie

You say it doesn’t matter, yet I believe I have read where you said Obama needs to go. What differences does it make, right?

As for the money, the amount that is poured in is ridiculous. That includes unions, corporations, individuals, etc.

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Stevie

I’m all for ending the oil defense spending

But stopping Iran from going nuclear isn’t about the oil

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With ‘advisors’ like Bolton, Senor(or whatever he’s called), and the like, how in hell could one believe that Romney would do anything but start some more wars that won’t be paid for, will result in thousands more American soldiers dead, along with hundreds of thousands of innocent bystanders and foment continued hatred of the US for another few centuries, but it’ll make the wingnuts here and in Israel happy…was this a great country, or what?

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Maybe the great healer can pack up the teleprompter and head to the Middle East on AF1 and make a speech to calm the masses.

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Obama logic and “plan” to save the economy and reduce the Fed debt: #1) move names from the unemployment rolls to disability. VOILA another gub’ment created job! #2) spend our way out of debt with your money. Sam L. Jackson in Ebony Magazine ” I did not vote for Obama ’cause he’s got a G.D. plan to save America. He ain’t got no G.D. plan to save America. I voted for him ’cause he’s black”. Another brain dead zombie for Obama. At least Samuel is honest about it and has enough sense to know Obama is a fake. …….. but he is his fake.

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Marty Huggins’: Does it hurt to be so wrong so often?

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Williebkind — “All you liberals and transplants should head back north because Ga will be red after the election of Romney.”

What makes you think that people moving here came from the north? I moved north to *get* here.

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Scout

I am not saying bs doesn’t occur on Marta. Of course it does, but that is amazing the high percentages of problems you have had.

I ride Marta several times a year and have been riding it since the 80s. I have seen a few loud mouth drunks, but that is about it.

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Scout and his delusional paranoia is a hoot huh? Two times out of three that he has lowered himself to ride the trains, he has had to nearly go Bernhard Goetz on people!

I have ridden MARTA many, many times in past thirty years.

I’ve never once witnessed these things. Virtually without exception, the trains have been on time, clean and comfortable. The personnel have almost always been friendly and helpful. And the riders quiet and no problem whatsoever.

And the value is outstanding.

Certain people are just really “unlucky” huh?!

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To Goldie
September 14th, 2012
10:11 am
You need some smelling salt, as your senses are not sensing correctly. They are just sensing the liberal rhetoric.

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They are depending on the ignorance of the American people and the young not voting.

Just like w.

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“Maybe the great healer can pack up the teleprompter and head to the Middle East on AF1 and make a speech to calm the masses.”

Maybe Obama can ask to borrow Paul Ryan’s teleprompter that he used at the RNC.

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Argument – Obama would not intentionally allow an attack against US interests. Such an attack undermines his entire basis for “reaching out” to the Arab Muslim world. The world-wide apology tour was supposed to purchase peace from the lunatics, and the attack proves the vacuity of the policy at the formulation level.

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Steve Shamrock
September 14th, 2012
10:44 am

Maybe the great healer can pack up the teleprompter and head to the Middle East on AF1 and make a speech to calm the masses.
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I don’t think they will let Romney use AF1.

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Amazing article——— really biased but from a Socialist point of view I guess biased/ slanted/inciting division/ just is about standard in a liberal I got my hand out to take from someone else way. I am beginning to wonder if there is no Jay Bookman but Cynthia has returned writing under an assumed name and face.

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Like the red line drawn on no nukes for Iran, they drew one on don’t insult Islam.

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Adam
September 14th, 2012
10:46 am

Not comparing or even accusing Jay of being unfair to conservative and too nice to liberal posters.

Apparently that was what you thought I was saying based on your 1st comment directed at me.
But that has. Ever been my argument.

Mine was in response to Jay’s “I wonder why that is?” all i did was ask the same of him that he ask of others.

To which you blasted me twice as being stuck in stage 4 blah blah blah.

So no what you linked to doesn’t work.

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“Mitt: Anti-Islam film ‘a terrible idea’ ………. Romney takes essentially the same position as the White House on the Terry Jones film.”

A couple of points:

1) Making that film was a terrible idea (at least to Radical Muslims).

2) It’s also called “freedom of speech”.

3) Someone now needs to make a film about the insane Radical Muslims response to the first film.

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The latest is that they burned down a KFC in Lebanon. That’s an insult to fried chicken lovers everywhere!

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larry:

Smile for the security cameras and keep your money/identification, etc. in your front pants pockets.

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With Romney as President the middle east would know his position. As it is now, President Obama has strong sympathies for the muslim countries. That is the issue, would Romney have a more objective attitude towards Islam, it is my opinion he would.

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And if you have time today can you expound on the vast experience Obama had while in the military? It should take you about ONE second MAX. Let’s not bring up Romney’s lack of military when your man has none either. Touche’.

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There is no moral equivalence between an objectionable film and the murder of diplomats. To argue for same is to accept the ethically-bankrupt pretext for the anti-Americanism latent in the Muslim world.

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ADAM,

Agreed. The birther issue is absurd and the whole evangelical religious garb from the right is materially more distasteful and offensive…I wouldn’t argue either so these aren’t good examples for me….anyone who wants to debate those is….well…you know:-)

The other stuff like economic policy, leadership, foreign policy etcetera are worthy of debate and I do strive to be able to argue both sides…of course empathy is difficult to muster when I have preconcieved notions..

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As Rush Limbaugh suggested yesterday, Obama is so weak that al Qaida offered up Osama bin Laden as a sacrifice to us, just to ensure that Obama would be re-elected.

The man has huge talent.

No matter how depraved the last one (you sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis) the RNC Chairman always seems to find a way to outdo his last slobbering, malicious lie.

That is then bandied around here by JKL2, Frank, rags and others as the gospel…

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Jam

I can see Scout looking all paranoid, ready to pull a knife or gun while he rides the train………

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HAHAHA! Good column, Mr. Bookman!

Sad in that it so accurately describes just how stupid today’s hi-jacked GOP “leaders” seem to think the American people are, but an entertaining piece nonetheless. Nicely clarified.

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“And if you have time today can you expound on the vast experience Obama had while in the military? It should take you about ONE second MAX. Let’s not bring up Romney’s lack of military when your man has none either. Touche’.”

He’s been the C-in-C for 4 years – what’s Mitt’s experience again?

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Not comparing or even accusing Jay of being unfair to conservative and too nice to liberal posters.

Apparently that was what you thought I was saying based on your 1st comment directed at me.

No, I don’t think that, but that’s the only thing I have ever kept because people were making that claim here a lot.

You’re the first to actually insist that Jay PROVE that he did something he said he did. It is not possible for me to go back and find when he actually did it and show it to you. And yes, even if I did, you would deny it.

But I’m not wasting my time that way. If you feel like wasting your time with this nonsense, Google “site:blogs.ajc.com” and see if you can figure out the keywords necessary to find Jay’s posts. If you’re able to magically find anything Jay has ever said this way, please share your magic with the rest of us.

Otherwise, what you’re really saying is that you’re giving a blog where a journalist blogs opinion attention, while simultaneously saying you don’t trust a word he says. That sounds like even more of a waste of time, but whatever.

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Embassy breached in Tunisia.

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Wrong. I don’t ride it.

P.S. Obama had all of the answers for solving the Middle East problem in 2008. Ask him.

But I warn you ………. he had all the answers for our economic problems too !

To the American electorate: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

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Oscar, 10:59,

Then perhaps we’ll have to elect him to find out. Worked for Pelosi.

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Morality — “And if you have time today can you expound on the vast experience Obama had while in the military?”

I didn’t assert that he had any in the first place, but since you asked, he served on the Senate Foreign Relations and Veterans’ Affairs committees (another pair of places where he was more qualified than Romney right off the bat), and he served on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs as well, starting in 2007.

“It should take you about ONE second MAX.”

I’m a fast typist, but not quite that fast. (laughing)

“Let’s not bring up Romney’s lack of military when your man has none either.”

Romney’s sole claim to military service is being ‘Commander-In-Chief of the Massachusetts State National Guard’ by dint of his election as Governor, so while I’m sorry that it hurts your tender, pwecious feefees, too bad. I’m going to keep bringing it up.

“Touche”

Right back at you and your woefully underqualified candidate, Punkin. (laughing)

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What is happening in the world is like the grating of two huge tectonic plates. Our main job is to protect ourselves from the overflow of their discontent. We can’t change their culture any more than they can change ours. The roots go waaaay deep. It may take them generations to make their accommodation to modernity. Think how long it took the US to rid itself of slavery, from the first rumbles of abolitionism to the Civil war. And even after that, racism is dying hard. Technology changes fast, but customary behaviors are extraordinarily tenacious. Consider this: If 200,000 occupying troops of a different culture were assigned to change the folkways of Mississippi, how long do you think it would take for the local good ole boys to stop ambushing them? A hundred years? Two hundred years?

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Dear Both @ 10:53, good morning. When Reagan found millions marching in the streets against his nuclear policies, and “star wars” in particular, he adhered to his principles. He did not apologize for calling the Soviet Union an “evil empire” despite the horror “felt” by leftists. When George W Bush found millions protesting his “torture” policies, he refused to apologize for waterboarding the two guys whose disclosures led to the assassination of bin Laden.

We need not worry about such resolution in the current administration, but primary affirmation of American principles is a necessary precondition to the actions necessary thereafter, any time. “A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them….”

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Stevie Ray: Well, for instance we have empirical data that shows tax cuts on the top 10% actually does NOT create any job growth. Yet the “debate” always seems to come back to that because facts and data do not dissuade people from something like that. The data rarely seems to work for the right these days, and when it does there is a high probability it is being made up or cherry picked.

To take another example of cherry picked, that 4.5 million jobs thing is cherry picked for sure. Set your start marker at February 2010. That’s nonsense. It’s the same thing as Rand Paul specifically excluding the Postal Service from Federal jobs when he’s trying to make his case that federal employment has grown astronomically under Obama, AFTER first making the point that ALL OF GOVERNMENT has grown astronomically under Obama.

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“It’s a feat that Ronald Reagan couldn’t perform — the death of 241 Marines in their barracks in Lebanon and the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, with another 63 killed, bear clear testimony to his inadequacy.”

And of course you left out that RR bombed the hell out of Libya in response to state supported terrorism and we didn’t hear a peep out of Khadafy for a long, long time. That’s what happens when you start dealing from a position of strength.

“George W. Bush, the hard-bitten Texan, was such a wimp that Islamic terrorists dared to murder thousands of our fellow Americans here on our own soil and launch a dozen attacks against our embassies.”

Gee whiz Jay make up your mind. Is a wimp or is he the war mongering cowboy waging war throughout the middle east?

Gonna suck not being able to go to KFC if I ever get to Lebanon.

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http://www.itsmarta.com/crime-comparison.aspx

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ragnar

Thanks for the deflection. You didn’t come close to answering that question because you are full aware, even if you do not want to admit, that the US was not going to do much with millions marching in the streets and the military turning on Mubarak. Yes there were millions and millions across that country.

Of course they were not a monolithic group, but millions are still millions and Mubarak was losing control of the military quicker than Romney has changed positions to obtain your vote.

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They BOTH,

There’s a red under your bed, and there’s a little green man in your head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSbSueq_KSY

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Williebkind — “Rush is not the RNC Chairman”

He might as well be, given how slavishly GOP leaders adhere to his rantings.

“and he does not tell malicious lies.”

What sort of lies does he tell, then? Candy-coated ones with sprinkles on them?

“He has the ears of the airways and that is what gets under your thin pale skin.”

Not under *my* skin. What gets my goat is how rough and tough GOP leaders and members talk about this, that and the other, but when it comes to calling Rush on his bulldada, not a man-jack among them has nut number one.

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Rush should be arrested for being a terrorist. He must be to know that AQ offered up OBL to relect Obama. I mean he must have a terrorist source for that claim and the others he has made so he must be conspiring with them. Or is his defense “I just make things up to see what my idiot listeners will believe, can you believe how stupid my listeners are?”

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Thulsa: and we didn’t hear a peep out of Khadafy for a long, long time. That’s what happens when you start dealing from a position of strength.

Yep, then we started hearing from him again that he was going to commit genocide. Obama sent in next to no ground forces, set up a no fly zone, and that was enough for the Libyans to topple their own dictator. And it happened very quickly. And now we won’t hear from him again EVER.

I guess that’s what happens when you act SMARTLY instead of just “from a position of strength.”

Checkmate.

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The whole problem started actually in WWII when Ike and others started looking at war as a political game! How to put the best foot forward politically. Again in Korea. Again in Vietnam. Then in Iraq and Afghanistan! What should have been done in all cases is to have allowed the military to do the jobs they have been trained to do, BREAK THINGS AND KILL PEOPLE! THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN A WAR! In all these cases since WWII, it has only been treated as a political incursion and a police action! Patton was right in WWII about Russia! MacArthur was right in Korea about China! Westmoreland was right in Vietnam when he said let me do my job and this will be over in 6 months! What did that do for him? GOT HIM FIRED BY SOME POLITICALLY MOTIVATED MORON! We should have hit Iraq and Afghanistan with everything available and the situations would have been pacified in 6 months or less! BREAK THINGS AND KILL LOTS OF PEOPLE! THAT IS WHAT AN ARMY IS SUPPOSED TO DO, NOT SIT BACK AND WAIT UNTIL IT IS ATTACKED TO FIRE AT THE ENEMY, NOT TO WAIT ANT TAKE SERIOUS ATTACK TO MAKE SURE SOME CIVILIAN IS NOT IN THE WAY! FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO LEARN IS THAT IN A WAR, THERE ARE NO INNOCENT CIVILIANS!! You know, WE EITHER DO IT NOW, IN THEIR COUNTRIES, WITH ALL FORCES AVAILABLE, OR, WE WILL AT SOME POINT HAVE TO DEFEND OURSELVES HERE ON USA SOIL! Unfortunately, I do not think enough of our citizens will have the courage to defend the country or themselves! They will as government has done, try to negotiate with diplomacy with liars intent on destroying this great country,and get us all killed!!!!

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…from Politifact;
John Murphy, a communications professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who studies presidential rhetoric and political language, said Romney was wrong to label it an apology.

“First, the statement does not use the word ‘apology’ or ‘apologize’ and does not use any synonym for that word. There is no statement here that says, ‘We are sorry.’

“Second, the grammar of the statement condemns the actions of a third party. An apology, to be pedantic, is when the first party says to the second party, ‘I have offended you and I am sorry.’ This statement condemns a third party — misguided individuals — that does not officially represent the United States. The term ‘individuals’ dissociates them from the U.S. Therefore, it’s impossible to say that this is an apology from the U.S. to anyone.

“Third, the statement does not apologize for the right of free speech; it affirms it. It condemns those who abuse the right of free speech, but it claims that this is a universal right, as is religious toleration. So, the statement does not like what the misguided individuals said and did, but recognizes they have a right to do it.”

“It’s a condemnation,” Murphy said, “not an apology.”

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More proof one man can change everything.

A coptic christian made a stupid movie insulting Islam and all hell breaks loose.

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Oh Gawd, not the “memory challenged” randian extolling the bravery of Saint Ronnie again?!

After his last blunder earlier this week on that very topic, one would think that he would kinda lay low on making up transparent nonsense about it again.

But… what the hell?

…waterboarding the two guys whose disclosures led to the assassination of bin Laden.

And rags, whose rectal cavity did you pull that one out of???

BRIAN WILLIAMS, “NBC NIGHTLY NEWS”: Can you confirm that it was as a result of waterboarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA, CIA DIRECTOR: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here … It’s a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got … I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I’m also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

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Gee whiz Jay make up your mind. Is a wimp or is he the war mongering cowboy waging war throughout the middle east?

Not mutually exclusive, Sparky. Bullies are just cowardly underneath — especially bullies who send other people’s kids to die to settle their own personal scores.

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Seems that is your response when you out your foot in your mouth and can’t possibly or do not know if you can back up your immature pontificating.

Why don’t you ask me about something that is possible for me to verify instead of claiming “You can’t prove God exists, therefore – HE DOES!” It is a logical fallacy to assume that you win just because I am unable to find a specific instance of Jay calling someone out for looking at it.

It is also nonsense that you would create a credibility claim for Jay based on the false idea that being even handed lends credibility, just as much as it is nonsense for you to claim that I myself have no credibility because I am unable to prove something that would be impossible for me to prove anyway.

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Adam,

Also I have not said I do not trust a word Bookman says.

I question this particular incident.

I do not mind if you choose to lie or stretch the truth about other things or people they are your morals . However I will kindly ask that you do not speak for me or outright lie about what I have or have not posted.

I will and have shown you the same type of respect.

I think we all can agree to that as a favor to one another.

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TD

For the record, I had no problem with Reagan ordering the bombings in Libya. Just saying they remained a player on the exporting or terror scene

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The Entertainer

Keep Up The Good Fight is 100 percent accurate.

“Rush (Limbaugh) should be arrested for being a terrorist. He must be to know that AQ offered up OBL to relect Obama. I mean he must have a terrorist source for that claim and the others he has made so he must be conspiring with them. Or is his defense “I just make things up to see what my idiot listeners will believe, can you believe how stupid my listeners are?”

What has Limbaugh contributed to intelligent discussion of the issues?

Nothing.

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Dear Both @ 11:09, perhaps we can agree that leftists are unwilling to defend American principles if it requires risk or real action. I think conservatives would have little reservation about doing the heavy lifting, e.g., Iraq.

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Al qaeda gave up Osama bin laden???

Someone should be polite and send them a thank you note.

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Now the Emabassy in Tunis is burning…

@KTNV tweeted:
#BREAKING: TUNIS, Tunisia (AP) — Large cloud of black smoke seen coming from around US embassy in Tunis.
Story metadata:
Submitted 21 mins ago from twitter.com by partner

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Kcin …………. and what camel did you ride in on? Thanks for not answering the question; something libs are good at…… smoke and mirrors. Can’t you admit that Obama had ZERO military experience when he came in to office AND he still has zero military experience? How is that different than Romney? Obama’s on the job training by Nanny Pelosi and Harry Weed nets him a grade of D+ with the military. Recent polls say that a vast majority of active military personnel will not vote Obama. Obama is our 1st “Reality Show” president. To nave to lead.

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“Dear Both @ 11:09, perhaps we can agree that leftists are unwilling to defend American principles if it requires risk or real action. I think conservatives would have little reservation about doing the heavy lifting, e.g., Iraq.”

If only Iraq had been about defending American principles… Killing OBL certainly was.

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Dear Troll @ 11:21, introducing individual freedom, to a culture long dominated by a murderous dictator, does not affirm American values? Is your contempt for individual freedom so great that you do not appreciate the magnitude of that accomplishment?

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The right do love them some drug addicts.

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rags

Do you were not ok with a despot being disposed of in Egypt, but it was cool for Iraq?

Is that what you are conveying?

Indians would say that you speak with fork tongue.

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“Embassy breached in Tunisia.”

Nights in Tunisia…..

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“And you left out chicken and lamb!”

And camel

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Sorry

That should be “night in Tunisia”

Singular

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Recent polls say that a vast majority of active military personnel will not vote Obama.

Yep, Mitt “Blood & Guts” Romney will likely get a vast majority 60% and Obama 40%.

Ironic, given that a combat veteran hero and man of inestimable courage and valor, not some pantywaist, quasi-French coward from Massachusetts only got 54% of the military vote in 2008…

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Jm

You seem to be basking and glowing in these tragic events.

That is truly pathetic.

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Why has the AJC made no reference to all of the reports in other media that the US was warned 24-48 hours in advance of an attack being planned against our Embassy, and did nothing? Why do so many Obama sheeple, who jump on here to comment, use only the AJC fish wrapper as their only source of info? Why is a supposed comment by a candidates advisor, not the candidate himself, even warrant a mention in a political column? It’s because rather than engage in an honest discussion of the Middle East policies of Obama, Bookman chooses the low road of yellow journalism, and instead provokes the members of the Obama apology brigades to weigh in with their usual ignorance. Many many political observers, here in the US and abroad opined that the Obama apology tour of the ME, combined with his sophomoric attempts to personally involve himself in policy, an area where he had no knowledge, would result in exactly what has happened. Throw in his usual narcissistic arrogance, his total lack of ANY leadership qualities, and this leaves us with the sort of mess in the ME unmatched only since when Jimmy Carter facilitated the return of Khomeini to Iran, believing he was a moderate. The Middle East is going to dissolve into violence, Israel is going to bear the brunt of it, and responsibility lies with the empty chair Obama. Plain and simple. trying to divert attention with a column quoting one of Romney’s advisers is just another in the tank for Obama MSM charade. Why not quite Der Spiegal, which today clearly laid the coming ME conflagration on inept Obama policy? Oh, not in the AJC! You are doing your part Bookman, to insure the continuing decline of readership of the AJC.

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robme/ ruin America’s fault.

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Marty: I never asked you to prove it until you CHOSE to interject yourself into what Jay and I were discussing.

You know what? You’re right. I should have just said “Welcome back, Mystery Meat!”

I said you pretend your concerns were not addressed when Jay said:

but for the record, I’ve never criticized Bush for not preventing those attacks and have in fact defended him against that charge.

and then you said

You seem to have something to say to those who accuse Obama of it but you stand silent when it is stated about Bush.

He clearly said, BEFORE you said that, this was not the case. Surely you will at least admit that you, yourself, did not read and/or comprehend what he said to you?

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Well just like Clinton (Blackhawk down) they will make a movie showing Obama’s victory over terrorism at the Embassies.

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” and not starting to leave Afganistan “.

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robme/ruin Traitors 12.

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