On foreign policy, Romney lacks discipline, professionalism

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Numerous detailed, well-documented timelines of recent events in Egypt and Libya have now been published (see here and here). All of them tell the same story:

A statement from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo criticizing those who provoke religious hatred was released four to five hours before crowds began gathering outside the embassy, roughly seven hours before the embassy walls were breached and 10 hours before the attacks in Libya that claimed the life of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

In other words, when Mitt Romney claimed that it is “disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks,” he was being flagrantly irresponsible and flat-out wrong. It would be wrong to accuse any American of sympathizing with those who had just killed a U.S. ambassador without strong evidence to support it; to accuse the commander in chief of such sentiments at the very moment that he is attempting to protect U.S. interests and personnel overseas represents a low point in this country’s political history.

Nonetheless, Romney insists that he stands by those statements. “I think it’s a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values, that instead when our grounds are being attacked and being breached, that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation,” he said Wednesday, even after the chain of events had become clear. “An apology for America’s values is never the right course.”

Very well. The Romney campaign already seems to be spiraling downward — the most recent Fox News poll has him down five points to Barack Obama among likely voters — and if this is the way he wishes to conduct himself and be judged, so be it. He has chosen his ground, such as it is; let him defend it.

Romney and his staff also say that they embrace this debate because it opens the door to a more thorough discussion of foreign policy in general. As he said Wednesday, “American cannot shrink from the responsibility to lead. American leadership is necessary to ensure that events in the region don’t spin out of control.”

So let’s go ahead and have that discussion, shall we?

The general outline of the Romney foreign policy critique is pretty familiar. He would not apologize and he would not “lead from behind.” He would be strong. He would lead. However, it is necessary to point out that those are not positions, they are a pose.

Romney initially supported U.S. military action against Libya, but once that action got underway, he condemned it. He also condemned the Obama administration’s decision to take out Moammar Gaddafi, at least until Gaddafi was dead, at which point Romney decided to celebrate it. Somewhere in that vacillating, waffling series of positions, Romney was presumably being “strong” and “resolute.” But it is hard to pinpoint what that exact moment might have been, fleeting as it apparently was. Given that history, it is almost laughable to see Romney criticize his opponent for “a lack of clarity as to a foreign policy,” as he did Wednesday.

His policy pronouncements on Iraq and Afghanistan have followed a similar pattern. He has insisted that U.S. forces remain indefinitely in both countries, and has also expressed strong support for withdrawing them. In Afghanistan, he has talked a tough game at times, insisting that we should never negotiate with the Taliban and instead should “go anywhere they are and we kill them.” He has also strongly condemned the Obama administration for setting a 2014 date for withdrawal of combat troops from Afghanistan. Yet this very week, he publicly embraced that deadline, saying that ”Our goal should be to complete a successful transition to Afghan security forces by the end of 2014,” which is precisely the Obama strategy.

At which point in that wandering was Romney “leading from the front”? It is hard to reconcile his insistence that America “cannot shrink from the responsibility to lead” when he himself seems eager to lead in so many directions. His lack of discipline and professionalism in foreign policy is dismaying; indeed, that lack of discipline helps to explain how he issued the disastrous statements that got him into this mess in the first place.

In his comments yesterday, Romney also said that “We must strive to ensure that the Arab spring does not become an Arab winter.” It is a nice phrase, one with which most Amerians would agree. But again, in the interest of clarity, what does it mean?

In the wake of the attacks in Libya and Egypt, does Romney support additional financial and diplomatic support for the emerging civilian governments in those countries, as advocated by Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham? Or does he support reducing that aid as punishment, as recommended by Republicans in the House? Certainly, the last thing the Israelis want is an end to U.S. involvement in Egypt.

Which would be the “strong” approach that Romney so often preaches? If he wishes to lead from the front, now would be a good time to demonstrate the capability to do so. Because so far, he has failed that test miserably.

– Jay Bookman

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Welcome to the Occupation

September 13th, 2012
9:28 am

Oedipal drama gone awry.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 13th, 2012
9:30 am


Jay Bookman
On foreign policy, Romney lacks discipline, professionalism”

Geez Jay, we already knew that…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 13th, 2012
9:31 am

Jay…..you said a mouthful!

Steve Shamrock

September 13th, 2012
9:32 am

Sorry Jay…Mitt Romney was spot on…Obama is more concerned about campaigning in Vegas and Colorado.

Between the Economy and Foreign Policy…I am not sure how/why people would vote for Obama.

Another biased…protect the Almighty Obama piece from Jay Bookman.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 13th, 2012
9:33 am

Well, seems to me we need a President that will tell all these Towelheads to kiss our butt and then send in about 200,000 troops to kill their army people and spread about 4 inches of salt over all their land. That’s the American way and that’s God’s way. Why, I can recall lots of stories in the Bible about how God sent people to kill all the men and the women and kids too.

Of course, I’m a peaceable kind of guy and I wouldn’t want any of our troops to get hurt. And I sure don’t want a tax increase to pay for another war. But that’s just me. Maybe other people see it different.

Anyhow, it’s such a great morning I hate to be cooped up in a beer truck. But you got to do what you got to do. Have a good Thursday everybody.

td

September 13th, 2012
9:36 am

Yea, Romney’s message is so bad is the reason the media planned an ambush prior to his press conference yesterday. It did not matter what he said they planned to ask the same question.

Jeff

September 13th, 2012
9:37 am

Jay you partisan hack.. Pres Obama has shuned our ally’s and embraced those who hate us, He has done nothing but help them and hurt the US.

East Lake Ira

September 13th, 2012
9:37 am

Liars lie.

Brazen liars get nominated to the top of the GOP ticket.

Folks are finally tuning it to this race and they don’t like liars.

Murph

September 13th, 2012
9:38 am

Romney publicly denouncing his own president during this crisis gives way more comfort to the enemy than Obama’s attempt to diffuse the situation before it occurred, and is decidedly unpatriotic. To put in Bush’s words, you’re either with us or against us in a situation like this.

TaxPayer

September 13th, 2012
9:38 am

I think you have summed up Mitt’s multi-faceted–or should that be more precisely “multi-faced”–foreign policy quite well. That’s not leadership. It’s just more of the same from Mitt–opportunistic rants driven entirely by polling results and on-the-fly analysis of said results.

Screwball

September 13th, 2012
9:38 am

And, in foreign police, the President sadly lacks coherence and has squandered the respect he once had.

Verbal Kint

September 13th, 2012
9:39 am

M

September 13th, 2012
9:39 am

I can’t imagine anyone being comfortable with Romney handling foreign policy.

td

September 13th, 2012
9:40 am

“The Obama campaign hit Mitt Romney for using the “tragic death of one of our diplomatic officers in Libya” to “launch a political attack.” On a July 2008 appearance on CNN, then-Senator used the death of U.S. troops in Afghanistan as talking point to ding John McCain and President Bush for their support of the Iraq War. ”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/barack-obama-used-troop-deaths-to-ding-bush-mccai

joe

September 13th, 2012
9:40 am

Says you…at least Romney has a set and would put these thugs in their place, instead of apologizing for a stupid film who portrays their god in a light they don’t like. There is a HUGE difference in making a stupid film versus them flying planes into our cities. Obama is an embarrassment both domestically and now internationally. Fire up the drones and start lighting these people up!!

All you obozo supporters who think he is handling this correctly as just as out of touch as your views on him doing a good job with our economy. Pathetic. He’s turning out worse the ole’ Jimmy C, which I never thought that would be possible.

Marty Huggins'

September 13th, 2012
9:41 am

Jay,

Why do you make no mention about the retweet and reiteration of earlier tweets from the embassy, after the walls had been breached and a black flag had been hung in place of the USA flag.

Must have been an accidental overwrite on your behalf we are all confident you did not intentionally leave it out.

If the first tweet was all that had happened OK, but to restate that after it has became violent and is no longer a sime protest. But the administration chose to retweet it again.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:41 am

JAY,

Neither of them came or would come to the White House with any relevant foreign policy experience. Our foreign policy has been the same and will continue so until someone has the balls to buck the trend and stop making our policy evolve around evangelical fostering of our brand of democracy..generally, the don’t want it or don’t have the demographics to remotely pull it off…

Obamas foreign policy is no different and no more effective than those before him….Romney, regardless of what he may say, will become a tool of the defense contractors same as Obama remains a tool of unions, Wall Street etcetera…

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
9:41 am

Mitt should have taken a que from Bush. He would have had plenty of time to think about his remarks while donning a flight suit before coming out and telling the muslim nations to “bring it on”.

hewhoasks

September 13th, 2012
9:41 am

Right. President Romney, if that’s what we had, would today approach Libya and the people of Libya with a chip on his shoulder and a drawn sword. Romney perverts TR: “Speak hyper-belligerently and carry a big stick.”

Plus Romney’s entire shtick doesn’t hold up, as even Forbes Magazine recognizes, through one of their columnists. Clearly, for the Romney camp, hyper-belligerency so trumps rational thought that they throw rational thought away like a used tissue.

Ivan

September 13th, 2012
9:41 am

“ay you partisan hack.. Pres Obama has shuned our ally’s and embraced those who hate us, He has done nothing but help them and hurt the US.”

The spin machine was in extra high gear at the AJC this morning, wasn’t it?

Newby

September 13th, 2012
9:42 am

Prediction: Lots of posts lambasting Obama. Zero posts supporting Romney’s words.

JP

September 13th, 2012
9:43 am

Obama’s first impulse was to apologize to the Muslims for our freedom of speech. Romney was right to call Obama out for that. This whole “process” question posed by the kool-aid drinking liberal MSM is a diversion of the larger issue of how poor Obama’s foreign policy is…Hillary didn’t even have the foresight to have marines guarding middle-east embassies like this one on the anniversary of 9/11! And Obama hops a plane to Las Vegas (Viva Las Vegas, Baby!) for a fundraiser after the incident. If you want the truth, I suggest you abandon the “lamestream” media like the AJC.

Thomas Heyward Jr

September 13th, 2012
9:43 am

Chicken-hawk draft dodgers are always the most ferocious ……when talking.
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But anyhoo————-Obama and Romney should have listened to the voice of decency—–
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Whatever we may think about the Gaddafi regime, we must recognize that this is a coup d’etat in a foreign country. What moral right do we have to initiate military action against Libya? Libya has not attacked the United States. Neither the coup leaders nor the regime pose an imminent threat to the United States and therefore, as much as we abhor violence and loss of life, this is simply none of our business.

I would remind my colleagues that we have been here before. In the 1990s we established “no fly” zones and all manner of sanctions against Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq in attempt to force him from power. When that did not work — at a high cost in Iraqi lives — the US ultimately went to war to achieve these ends. The costs of this war, I do not need to remind my colleagues, was much higher even, in US military lives, in Iraqi civilian lives, in our diminished moral standing in the world, in our economy. Yet none of us seem able to learn from an enormous mistake made only a few years ago. Once again a bad man is doing bad things thousands of miles away and once again irresponsible voices are demanding that the US “do something” about it. Will we ever learn? We continue to act as the policemen of the world at our own peril, and as we continue we only accelerate our economic collapse.

Let the supporters of yet another war in the Middle East come forth to make their case for a US attack against Libya. I will strongly oppose such a move, but it should be very clear that if a war against Libya is to be initiated it must be declared by the proper Constitutional authority: the US Congress.
Ron Paul

Joe The Plumber Too

September 13th, 2012
9:43 am

The only people left respecting barry are the mindless and braindead….oops, I just described the hardcore dim-ocrats to a tee. Theres a reason a jack-a$$ is the dim-ocrat mascot.

td

September 13th, 2012
9:43 am

Jay,

Fox over sampled Dems again. Rasmussen has Romney up by 1 today (which I might add is using the 2008 turnout formula as a baseline) and ABC has Romney down by two with a 10% oversampling of Dems.

Mick

September 13th, 2012
9:44 am

jay

As I noted previously, this whole ordeal reeks of a setup; someone or group knew this inflammatory film translated to arabic would create the desired outcome. Why was romney “so ready” to pounce on it? He failed because of the law of unintended consequences, the deaths of american foreign service officers…

nelson

September 13th, 2012
9:44 am

hot news- President Obama says Romney shoots first and aims later”. I say, “Prez O aims first and does not shoot at all”.
It is time to put some “bite” into foreign relations with the middle east.

hewhoasks

September 13th, 2012
9:44 am

Their God is our God. Mohammed is a prophet, a human. He is revered, but he has no status as a deity.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 13th, 2012
9:44 am

Romney seems to be leading from his behind that seems to be clear but hey, let’s hear Mitt’s strong positions on foreign policy. I am sure Mr. Flip Flop can be strong on something, right? Oh wait, he is strong on not showing his tax returns but not so strong on resisting the temptation to tell us what he claims is in them.

Which would be the “strong” approach that Romney so often preaches? If he wishes to lead from the front, now would be a good time to demonstrate the capability to do so. Because so far, he has failed that test miserably.

Amen!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:44 am

EASTLAKE,

I agree we don’t like liars…I remember some promises by BO in 2008 like..”the days of lobbyist controlling the DC agenda are over…” and “we will cut the deficit in half in 4 years..”

Why expect Romney to be different…they are well meaning guys but become REAL special interest tools quickly upon arrival….

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

September 13th, 2012
9:45 am

td

September 13th, 2012
9:36 am
Yea, Romney’s message is so bad is the reason the media planned an ambush prior to his press conference yesterday. It did not matter what he said they planned to ask the same question.

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heard the tape…2 voices…attack?

ADmittedly trying to get Mitt to answer the same question the same way
more than once has been a bit of a challenge.

Slippery that one is.

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
9:45 am

JP – “Obama’s first impulse was to apologize to the Muslims for our freedom of speech.”

Hey JP, can you provide the link or text where the word “apologize” appears in any remarks made by Obama or the embassys in the last 24 to 48 hours?

Thanks!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 13th, 2012
9:45 am

“And, in foreign police, the President sadly lacks coherence and has squandered the respect he once had.”

…and this coming from someone named “screwball” Oy! :roll:

liz

September 13th, 2012
9:45 am

Simple solution. Just invite, Jesus our Lord and Savior and Prophet Muhammed, to a beer summit. I’m sure they’d be happy to iron out any differences.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
9:46 am

“If he wishes to lead from the front, now would be a good time to demonstrate the capability to do so.”

As opposed to Obama who has assisted in replacing governments in the Middle East with Islamic Radicals (Muslim Brotherhood/terrorist mobs) whose “governance” is far, far worse for their own people, whose desire is the total destruction of the State of Israel and whose hatred for the United States is magnified.

Thank you Mr. President.

And by the way, why didn’t your State Department adequately protect your Ambassador and the Consulate ??? There are a LOT of questions to be answered on that debacle.

Newby

September 13th, 2012
9:46 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

TD,

I heard that many of the polls that have President Trillions up are assuming the same minority turnout as 2008…if so, I wonder if they use traditional minority turnout what the results would be…??

Of course I know little about polls and the fact that they come out everyday and these type forums think they are relevant at this point is ridiculous.

gadem

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

I am confused as to how Republicans can rally around Romney even when proven that his comments were wrong and out of line. There is one common thread that I notice when it comes to Republicans….they refuse to admit when they are wrong. That is a fatal flaw in a person’s character.

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

joe – ” instead of apologizing for a stupid film who portrays their god in a light they don’t like.”

Same question as JP. Please provide a link or text that contains the word “apologize” in any statments made by the Whitehouse or the Embassy in the last 24 to 48 hours.

Thanks!

Fedup

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

Mitt talks from both sides of his mouth. A true used car salesperson and he wants to run govt as a business.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

I really cannot bear to listen to Mitt Romney speak, but I realize the more he does the better the odds are of Obama winning in November. So just keep talking Mitt. It will be interesting to see him ’splain himself at the debates.

Holy Moly!

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

Yesterday I was mad, today I am a bit frightened by what I saw on the tv this morning. It seems to me the people rioting now are not rioting about the US, but showing frustration at their own government or lack of one. We are still in the middle of it and with two destroyers in Libya, lives on the line in Afghanistan, and more embassies being threatened, what we do not need is to try to score points politically. Romney showed a strong lack of leadership and understanding of foreign policy yesterday but I’m glad to see him quiet this morning. I for one, with a son who might be in the middle of this mess, am glad we have cooler heads prevailing. And I am hoping for the best resolve.

Aquagirl

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

at least Romney has a set and would put these thugs in their place

Oh, he and his five sons will be enlisting and fighting overseas? Bravo for them.

I’m sure you and your “set” will be joining them, joe, since it’ll take a lot of troops to kill every single member of the Taliban.

Ivan

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

“As I noted previously, this whole ordeal reeks of a setup; someone or group knew this inflammatory film translated to arabic would create the desired outcome. Why was romney “so ready” to pounce on it? He failed because of the law of unintended consequences, the deaths of american foreign service officers…”

Yes. The whole thing was a setup organized by the Romney campaign. 0.o

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

How’s this “ARAB SPRING” doing ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
9:49 am

Has our consulate in “Detroit” been attacked yet ?

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
9:50 am

nelson – “It is time to put some “bite” into foreign relations with the middle east”

By bite, do you mean the invasion of sovereign nations for extended and costly occupations that don’t end until we run out of money or men or both?

TaxPayer

September 13th, 2012
9:50 am

Mitt has already shown us his foreign policy in his visit to Israel. Those people won’t even know what hit ‘em. :lol:

Jerome Horwitz

September 13th, 2012
9:50 am

Jeff/SS – Please provide some documented examples. As I recall our allies are more supportive of our foreign policy than under the previous president.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:51 am

NEWBY,

Never seen a post as long as that…sure took a lot of energy..

The only thing I know is that our “nation building”, particularly in the ME, needs to stop…as we can see in Afghanistan…in the end, most won’t work….

Romney will not lose any voters…they are more concerned about getting President Trillions out of office than inserting a quality product in his place…

Skip

September 13th, 2012
9:51 am

“Romney was spot on” Geeze, have you read anything about the sequence of events?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
9:51 am

1) Where was the security for our ambassador?

2) Where was the security for the consulate?

3) Why over a five hour period when the ambassador was fighting for his life was no rescue attempt made? Was this possibility not considered? Anticipated? Planned for?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:52 am

TAXPAYER,

I submit that BO’s reputation in Israel is the poorest of any sitting president in the history of the Zionist state…

Joe Hussein Mama

September 13th, 2012
9:52 am

td — “Rasmussen has Romney up by 1 today (which I might add is using the 2008 turnout formula as a baseline)”

Which is exactly why you shouldn’t be relying on Rasmussen.

Illiteracy is bad, but innumeracy is insidious.

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
9:53 am

0311 – “As opposed to Obama who has assisted in replacing governments in the Middle East with Islamic Radicals (Muslim Brotherhood/terrorist mobs) whose “governance” is far, far worse for their own people, whose desire is the total destruction of the State of Israel and whose hatred for the United States is magnified.”

True, he could have at least gift wrapped them like Bush did in handing Iraq over to Iran by removing the only wedge in the region.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 13th, 2012
9:54 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

Like I said to you downstairs, It’s their countries. They get to choose what and who they want to be. It’s their right and we have nothing to say about it. The sooner we learn to get along, the sooner things will get better.

Simple Truths

September 13th, 2012
9:54 am

Jay’s long streak about not bashing Romney ended at one in a row.

JP

September 13th, 2012
9:54 am

“The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided [U.S. citizens] individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions…” You can Google the rest.

You don’t think this is an apology, Butch?

Soulice

September 13th, 2012
9:55 am

Hmm, Not too concerned with foreign policy while poverty is at a record high, nearly double the food stamp recipients since 2009, and the average median income down 4500 since 2008. Not sure I care about how we deal outside the US when the inside is crumbling.

DannyX

September 13th, 2012
9:55 am

We need Romney. He has already assembled a foreign policy team that has experience. Experience gained during the very successful George W Bush presidency. Our foreign policy was so good during the Bush years Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize when he took office, obviously a tribute to President Bush.

First thing President Romney will do is send Secretary of State George W Bush to our number one enemy, Russia, so Bush can again look into the eyes of Putin to determine our new strategy there.

Then Romney will bomb Iraq again. It will be paid for just like the last one, with tax cuts. Romney will be hailed as a liberator. He will get flowers.

America will be strong again. President Romney will be a strong leader. God will once again Bless this great nation. Romney will speak loudly and carry a big shock and awe.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:56 am

JOE,

How can we trust any of them? The spread is too vast and we all know that this will come down to turnout….

Do you think it’s realistic to expect minority turnout same as 2008? These folks are not exactly better off and don’t care if some BS DEM tries to convince them otherwise..

Historic turnout is a better measure..

TaxPayer

September 13th, 2012
9:57 am

I submit that BO’s reputation in Israel is the poorest of any sitting president in the history of the Zionist state…

You may submit whatever you wish but it is indeed Mitt that continues to portray himself as the opportunistic ass that he is–Not President Obama.

liz

September 13th, 2012
9:57 am

I blame the big GOD. Kind of sorry for a diety to allow all these different religious perspectives to float around causing mayhem.

Joe Hussein Mama

September 13th, 2012
9:57 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
9:57 am

JP – “You don’t think this is an apology, Butch?”

Nope. It’s saying that while Americans believe in the right to free speech, we will always take a stand when that right is abused and/or inflicts intentional harm to others. We practice the same principal right here in the good old USA. Again, I have yet to see any remarks that contain the word “apologize”.

TiredOfIt

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

Romney is big talk, but would he send his sons to do the work? I think we all know the answer to that!

Don't Tread

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

Another “Republicans are evil, worship 0bama” post.

Are we behind on our quota? Gotta get ‘em all in, it’s only two months before the election.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

Solice,

Imagine if we took all the money we’d save by abandoning our world domination strategy, added the $2 billion or so “individuals” are spending on the presidential auction and applied it to cleaning up our own backyard??

Ahem

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

My concern is that in the face of the well deserved critical assessment of his anemic foreign policy prowess, Oblunda will do something stupid militarily, in an attempt to redeem himself. Hold on to your hats, October is right around the corner.

Aquagirl

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

Why over a five hour period when the ambassador was fighting for his life was no rescue attempt made? Was this possibility not considered? Anticipated? Planned for?

Obama orders a strike on bin Ladin…..”He didn’t have nuthin’ to do with it!!!!”

Attacks on the Embassies….”Where the hell is Obama?!?!”

I think Mitt’s flip-floppyness has trickled down to 0311.

philosopher

September 13th, 2012
10:00 am

“On foreign policy, Romney lacks discipline, professionalism.” In a nutshell…anyone watching the events of the past 36 hours should be nauseated and shaking in their boots at the mere thought of this buffoon running our nation. He blows in the wind at the mercy of misguided and inexperienced handlers. The most poignant statement from all the news yesterday was made by a republican analyst who said, “Romney has no friends in Washington.” He has no one with any experience giving him any sane advice from either side.. And he has NO wisdom of his own. A truly sad state of affairs.

td

September 13th, 2012
10:00 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am…

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

TD,

I heard that many of the polls that have President Trillions up are assuming the same minority turnout as 2008…if so, I wonder if they use traditional minority turnout what the results would be…??

Rasmussen is placing the African American turnout as 13% of the total turnout. This is the historic high numbers from 2008. Historically, African American turnout is 10 to 11% and if you plugged those numbers into their polling data then Romeny would have a consistent 1 to 3 point lead. The same can be said about the youth turnout because it was at historically high levels in 2008. Now on the reverse side, Hispanic turnout is low as compared to their % of the population, so if they come out in higher numbers and vote in the same % as the polls indicate then over representation of the other two groups would be negated.

Adam

September 13th, 2012
10:00 am

More than half of the moderates and conservatives I talk to in a friendly manner on a regular basis aren’t giving Romney a pass on this. They are pissed. I respected them and did not make political hay out of it. But seriously, they’re pissed.

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Butch Cassidy (I)

September 13th, 2012
10:00 am

Seriously, if Romney was replaced by a giant puppet with Cheney and Rumsfeld pulling the strings, do you think anyone would notice the difference?

zeke

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Where is Reagan or someone with his unwavering duty to the country and Constitution! I believe that we should have leveled Afghanistan immediately after September 11, 2001! Then we would have eliminated at least those Al Q terrorists and Bin Ladin! And, sent a message to all such scum that they had better not fool with us again! Now, after attacks on them, Russia and China should join with us on a worldwide agenda of eliminating all theses 7th century morons! And the stupidity of our current President supporting the B.S. in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and now Syria is absurd! He must be defeated in November!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Taxpayer,

Obama has his share of spiking the ball given the very limited opportunties his lack of leadership has produced. Ask the Israelis, PM in particular about OB’s support…he can’t take time off his BS relection (self serving to say the least) to meet with our only true ally in that godforsaken desert known as the middle east…

Soulice

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

@Stevie Ray – so true. @ Aquagirl, O has always flipped flopped…he just has a better spin team.

the cat

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Good grief-mitt screwed up foreign policy in Great Britain before all this. Someone put a muzzle on him. Quite telling that lyingryan has run screaming back to his congressional campaign. he knows this is over.

mm

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

This whole drama was hatched by Karl Rove. I’m sure the GOP was behind this web video that sparked the whole thing. Get the muslims fired up, the blame Obama. It didn’t work out the way they planned.

East Lake Ira

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Aside from the bluster about apologies, what would Mitt have done differently?

I’d like to hear some specifics from Mr. Vague.

Would you have closed the consulates? When? Why?
Would you have increased security? Why? Marines or Contractors?
What did the Admin. do wrong and how would your response be different?

If Mr. Vacuous would provide some specifics instead of puffery and baffonery perhaps an intelligent debate could occur and the electorate could see clear and distinct choices.

Instead, Mr. Fatuous bloviates and spews lies.

That in itself is really enough for the American electorate.

We don’t like liars.

Mitt lies. All. The. Time. With. Ease.

SPC

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

The ball is in Obama’s court, let’s see how he handles it. I don’t have a lot of confidence because I beleive he is driven by his desire to be re-elected.

DannyX

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

Earlier this week the Dalia Lama wrote this on his Facebook page:

“All the world’s major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether.”

Joe Hussein Mama

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

Stevie Ray — “JOE, How can we trust any of them? The spread is too vast and we all know that this will come down to turnout….”

Right. And Rasmussen *openly admits* that it uses a turnout multiplier in its results. They’re actually *guessing* what the turnout will be and applying that variable to their numbers. That’s why they were off by forty points in Hawaii two years ago.

“Do you think it’s realistic to expect minority turnout same as 2008? These folks are not exactly better off and don’t care if some BS DEM tries to convince them otherwise..”

I don’t think that any polling outfit should be trying to guess what turnout will be. AFAIK, there’s no means to accurately project it, and if you apply a variable for that, then you’re asserting that your guesswork should override polling results.

“Historic turnout is a better measure..”

Historic turnout wouldn’t have predicted 2008 accurately at all.

Jay Butthurt Bookman

September 13th, 2012
10:03 am

Its obvious I am a democrat who never made much of myself other then this lame blog so i am mad at the world. Sorry everybody!

arnold

September 13th, 2012
10:03 am

Well, Fox News is the source that the first press release being tied to the violence. Of course they were wrong, but the Republican candidate to represent the US couldn’t resist screwing up. :-)

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September 13th, 2012
10:03 am

“Like I said to you downstairs, It’s their countries. They get to choose what and who they want to be. It’s their right and we have nothing to say about it. The sooner we learn to get along, the sooner things will get better.”

Not when they mean us harm ………….. ever heard of Japan/Germany and even Italy in WWII ???

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
10:04 am

TD,

We are preaching from the same hymnal..I don’t think Romney will lose any votes period…Anybody but Obama is the GOP chant…even those who agree he prematurely postulated on this issue, they probably (especially christian nutjobs)will donate more money..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
10:05 am

Jay:

Do Lybia and Egypt have a transportation policy or MARTA?

Maybe you could do a piece on that ?

Cosby

September 13th, 2012
10:05 am

Hate Romney..yep..lets see..Egypt,Yeman,Syria,Lybia, Afganistan…all in turmoil by the muslim cult, of which Obama and the Democrats have embroced. The dem convention vot4d to have prayer to Alluah while taking out reference to God. Obama and Hillary apologized for the USA, failed to condem any Muslim organization, Welcomed the Muslim brotherhood to the White House ( Egypt visit), failed to even consider September 11 anniversary attack or a rrtaliation of the killing of an Muslim leader, failed to even mention that 9/11 was an attack by Muslim’s and you, Jay, attack Romney as he spoke out..you hand your bloggers have gone totally brain dead…inthe mean time, our boarders are wide open so any Muslim can come into the USA to create discord, the Muslim churches are teaching anti – american hate and are using religion to hide behind to train muslim’s to attack the USA. Obama, in his womderful wisdom has even turned his back on Isreal and watched as Iran supplies arms to muslims in the above mentioned places to kill americans while building their nuclear facilities..one hell of a foreign policy and you want to demogog Romney..how ignorat are you….tell you what, i will purchase you a one way ticket to Egypt, but you have to give up your US citizenshiop and never return..let me know – it will be first class..ignorant, just plain ignorant

Ewrin's cat

September 13th, 2012
10:05 am

yeah because things are going so well in the ME, we are worried about the guy not in office…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 13th, 2012
10:05 am

Where is Reagan or someone with his unwavering duty to the country and Constitution! I believe that we should have leveled Afghanistan immediately after September 11, 2001!

Yeah, because my copy of the U.S. Constitution says that we have the right to level Afghanistan.

:roll:

Violence porn.

Ahem

September 13th, 2012
10:05 am

Red Herring Alert–Red Herring Alert–Red Herring Alert

TiredOfIt

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am
Romney is big talk, but would he send his sons to do the work? I think we all know the answer to that!

Did we switch from a voluntary service model back to the draft model overnight? I would bet you crackers to crab cakes that the Romney family has given more time to helping others, albeit not in the armed services, than ten busloads of his attackers have even thought about.

Did you ask yourself if Oblunda would send his children? Well, did you?

skipper

September 13th, 2012
10:05 am

We all, libs, repubs, indies, etc. have missed the point. By and large (elephant in the room) the middle-eastern world hates us…..period! We can sugar-coat it, defend or attack it, etc. but it is what it is. There is no easy approach, nor is there a total solution. The Arab world is very different culturally, religiously and every other way than the western ways. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a strong, lasting relationship/alliance with these people. I know you can find loonies in all religions, regions, etc. but as of now, the muslims by and large are more aggressive (even those who are not terrorists) in pushing there agendas/lifestyle etc. on the rest of the world. Look around world wide. Call out Christianity, Hinduism, etc. but a left-handed one-eyed Ethiopian co-pilot can see that the Muslims (despite the vitriol this post will receive) are by far and away a much larger problem in the world today than any other religion/sect/group/etc. That is why, in fact, there IS no unified diplomatic solution…..they don’t want one. Until they do, be it Obama, Romney, or Mickey-Mouse there will be no correct approach.

janet

September 13th, 2012
10:06 am

This film seems to be part of a larger effort to create a place for Mr. Romney to look Presidential. I think we have seen this kind of scenario before with GW Bush. On Sept 11 , a badly made trailer of a film no one knows about by someone who has many names….follow the money , folks. I am sure we will find out who is ultimately responsible for this outrageous act which led to tragedy. By the way, Mr. Romney’s smirk as he left the press reminds me so much of Mr. Bush ever present smirk or grin when you knew that he knew that he was incompetent but hoped no one else noticed.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

September 13th, 2012
10:07 am

JOE,

Historical turnout for Obama was a testiment to punish the GOP for bush as much as the youth, who don’t know jack, believed in his BS…

No way it’s repeated because it’s not like any of these folks are better off..despite the DEMS attempts to convince them otherwise…

Also, forgive my repeated ignorance but what is AFAIK?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 13th, 2012
10:07 am

I’ll ask again. Who is responsible for the almost total lack of security for our ambassador and the consultate not to mention the total lack of a pre-planned rescue effort.

Absolutely no excuse.

Finn mccool

September 13th, 2012
10:07 am

Romney would be a foreign policy bully.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 13th, 2012
10:07 am

Jay

September 13th, 2012
10:07 am

Janet, there is no way in hell this was a setup by the Romney campaign. None.