Fed Reserve condemned for daring to seek job growth

We have to go bankrupt if the alternative is crediting Obama.

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I already refinanced once. Right now I can get a 15 year fixed for 2.75. How much lower will it go and should I do it?

Gotta split.

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Fifth!

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“Avoiding the second outcome is more important than achieving the first.”

Which is sad.

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Forget the politics

I think it’s bad policy

Stimulative effect will be minimal

But inflationary impact won’t be

When we have 5 or 10% inflation (and stagflation as we’ll probably still be stuck in neutral), we will regret this

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“It really is interesting that it is happening right now before an election,” said Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho). “It is going to sow some growth in the economy, and the Obama administration is going to claim credit.”

Not only will the administration claim credit, so will Republican politicians while simultaneously criticizing the move. They are craven.

BTW, I’m also against this move. It delays the inevitable instability, which makes the instability that much bigger. Kind of like an avalanche… the longer it goes untriggered, the bigger it can get. We need a little instability after nearly 3 solid years of growth. But it’s fine if they wait until after the election, that’s just politics.

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“The best stimulus we could have: deficit reduction legislation”

And how is cutting taxes, which your boy Romney wants to do, going to help achieve that?

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“Of course, Obama punted his own deficit commission into oblivion, so we’re screwed”

Congress can pass a bill any time, JM.

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Lower interest rates? Can they go any lower?

The target for the 10-year bond is 1%. Still a little ways to go. Of course, they won’t tell you this is the target, but their policies are all geared toward that.

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So in other words JM…we should have some more tax cuts, right? Because we alll know that tax cuts alone will lower the deficit.

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hey josef: I can’t participate much in these macro-economic discussions, not something I know much about. But that doesn’t stop some of the posters here, does it?

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Aw shoot. Peadawg beat me to it.

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Well this will help some rich get richer.

Should help wall street a lot!
Main street not so much.

You think printed money may cause inflation?
How is more expensive goods going to help main street.

Guess they can take out a loan at a low rate so a rich banker can get richer!

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Nasty? Here, why I don’t even think my distant relative up there in the family tree, the great General Sherman, could say or do anything that would be considered nasty or reactionary on this blog. Even the deserved burning of Atlanta would not flame as much as some commentary. [There ya go josef.. Oh and by the way, with all this inflation, Sherman will be on the new $25,000 bill. ]

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All’s I know about the Federal Reserve is that the Senator who came up with it had to give up his Cherokee nationality to run for the Senate since he wasn’t considered a citizen and therefore couldn’t run for public office. He said on record later that it was the biggest mistake he ever made but allowed in private as to how the white man deserved it…

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Can’t you understand that it’s our patriotic duty to make sure that only the job creators should create jobs?

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Moderate inflation would be a good thing in my book.

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josef @ 4:24

That probably goes for a good many topic discussed on this blog

hahahaha

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“The decision was widely expected, and before it was announced Republican members of Congress were already condemning it as a politically motivated effort to help the re-election bid of Barack Obama.”
Whiners! That’s fair game like the birth certificate. All is fair in love and politics.

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“Moderate inflation would be a good thing in my book.”

I agree. Not WIN button inflation, but moderate inflation does have some advantages.

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Well..got to go, guys. A thought just occurred to me and I will share it with you before I go. This blog, and others like it, are similar to a mosh pit

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For not the last time:

Not intended to be a factual statement.

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1) “Republican members of Congress were already condemning it as a politically motivated effort to help the re-election bid of Barack Obama.”

Kind of like all of Jay’s threads.

2) “Avoiding the second outcome is more important than achieving the first. Such is the state of patriotism.”

Assuming that were to be correct, a few jobs sacrificed in the “short term” is worth getting rid of the insanity now in the White House ………… and YES …… that is the defenition of true patriotism.

That’s why our forefathers were willing to give up not just JOBS but their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to create something that Obama is trying to destroy !

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BOTH

Well, Jay says we should at least try to comment on the topic posted…so, I did…that’s all I know about the Federal Reserve and economics…I can’t even say anything pompous…but I thought I might as well go ahead and get the race card played…

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Jm

September 13th, 2012
4:29 pm
“Congress can pass a bill any time, JM.”

Unless the prez will sign it, it is also pointless. But, you know, other than that minor issue, you have a point.

+++++++++++++++++++++

Did he say he wouldn’t sign it?

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” the technical term for injecting more capital into the economy”

In other words, pushing pixels on a computer screen or printing more fake money we don’t have and devaluing the US Dollar.

It’s kinda like taking top shelf bourbon, pouring a 1 oz shot and then pouring the shot into a pitcher of water. You still have 1oz of top shelf bourbon, but it’s power to intoxicate you just isn’t there.

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Well see, now stopping Obama is on par with the Founding Fathers starting a revolution. Why it a patriotic duty to stop the man duly elected by the people of this country even if it kills us.

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Deficits?

IOKIYAR

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If you are a member you can actually listen to Hillary’s screaming rant !

“HILLARY 2003 (screeching): I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, “WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE AND DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION!”

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/09/13/flashback_hillary_screech_on_dissent

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Interest rates will remain low until 2015 but who can afford to borrow? Them that have that’s who. The same people who are reaping the results of the 200 point jump in the stock market. The price for a barrel of oil also goes up which means the price at the pump will follow shortly. I feel a bad one coming on.

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But they’ve allowed their party to be hijacked by those peddling fear, suspicion and paranoia.

And in other current events news, “Man Lands On the Moon!”

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Well ………… here she is if you can stand it !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0 (2003)

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Thanks Ben….

I think that since the JOBS JOBS JOBS GOP failed so miserably
and so close to the first anniversary of them stonewalling
the jobs act – that having the FED do it’s job is a very good thing.
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Oh and I see some arrests have been made in Libya and more bad guys are currently being watched….

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“Crier, if you’d like to offer an example of the Democrats behaving in similar fashion, I’ll tell you what I think of it.”

I shouldn’t have to as it is patently obvious they have. But I will keep that in mind for the future.

“But i would argue strongly that what we’re seeing from the Republicans in the Obama era is qualitatively different from anything I’ve seen in my lifetime, from Democrats or Republicans.”

And I would argue that your feeling is more perceptual than factual. Example: many liberals like to suppose that the opposition to Obama is racial (rather than ideological) and they label conservative as bigots. But, hypocritically, liberals tried very hard to paint both GWB and RR as kind of “stupid” (which they obviously were not) – which is it’s own kind of “bigotry” (if we are going to use that word). And they did a LOT to besmirch the image and character of both men. If you don’t agree, then I think you are suffering from a form of selective amnesia.

Okay…out for real now.

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Boring…oh, well,,,maybe somebody will say something nasty and I can be a reactionary…

Here ya go josef:

I’m as pure as the driven slush.

—Tallulah Bankhead

Is that dirty and nasty enough for ya josef? Or do I call you Ms. Jackson if i’m nasty?

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“I think a lot of Republicans are good, decent, honorable people. But they’ve allowed their party to be hijacked by those peddling fear, suspicion and paranoia.”

I think a lot of Democrats are good, decent, honorable people. But they’ve allowed their party to be hijacked by those peddling socialism, class warfare and hatred.

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How about that Hillary rant ………. hey, libs. ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0 (2003)

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Hey Jay…

Why wasn’t this done before? Unemployment has been over 8.0% for almost 4 years…the right is questioning the timing.

Don’t be naive.

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Any updates on MARTA ?

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Glad Senior Digits confirmed his fear, suspicion and paranioa for us.

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I don’t believe that’s true, Debbie. I think a lot of Republicans are good, decent, honorable people. But they’ve allowed their party to be hijacked by those peddling fear, suspicion and paranoia.

Uh huh. What’s the saying again?

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Looks like a lot of those “good” republicans are doing “nothing” with a smile.

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The reaction of GOP members of Congress is revealing, isn’t it?

Nope, not to me. What part of single term president do you not understand? That is the primary and single motivation of the GOP right now. They could give a sh*t less about the country as evident by the “Keystone Kops” campaign style that Romney’s displaying.

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ROMNEY HAS SAID HIS TAX REFORM WILL NOT REDUCE TAX REVENUE BECAUSE HE WILL OFFSET RATE REDUCTIONS WITH DEDUCTION REDUCTIONS

Until he says which deductions he’ll get rid of, his plan is as flaccid as his campaign.

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Mr_B

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“a few jobs sacrificed in the “short term” is worth getting rid of the insanity now in the White House ………… and YES …… that is the defenition of true patriotism. ”

Then let’s get rid of those jobs that are staffed by people whose job it is to pay Scout’s government pension. Then Scout can be unemployed and count himself as a true patriot!

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Did Reagan criticize Carter for the Iran fiasco? Yep.

Election year politics. Foreign policy not excluded.

Our money supply will have tripled.

Everything you own is worth only 1/3 what it used to be.

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“Why wasn’t this done before? Unemployment has been over 8.0% for almost 4 years…the right is questioning the timing.”

Uh, it has been done before. Twice. The Fed is trying to do something about jobs again because the House still thinks that putting the word “jobs” in an anti-abortion bill actually does some good.

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Where is it said that more QE will create jobs?

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Excuse me: “hear” that

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Mr_B

September 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

Why just the other day a friend of mine was standing behind Ben Bernanke in line at Whole Foods and……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UFc1pr2yUU&feature=g-all-c

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RACE CARD ALERT…RACE CARD ALERT…

I think Jay played the race card at 4:33…

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Jay 4:24

On the last part I agree, though I don’t think they really believe that

Perhaps more relevant, absent the congress endorsed and presidential signed fiscal cliff, QE3 would not be necessary

So fundamentally the Fed is stepping into the breach

But it shouldn’t be. It should be doing it’s job, not congresses or the President’s. Bad policy is flowing all over the damn place.

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and it looks like Chicago kids will go back to school Monday…

they may even get textbooks!

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ROMNEY HAS SAID…BECAUSE HE WILL OFFSET…

And Tricky Dick said he was not a crook.

BTW, your screaming does not make your point any more sensible or valid…

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Obama is for trickle-down…. who knew?

Per George Will in the WaPo:

“Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke evidently thinks that driving up the stock market will quicken the animal spirits of the affluent 20 percent who own 93 percent of equities, and this “wealth effect” will spur economic activity, eventually benefiting others. So, the interest rates Barack Obama favors are a form of the trickle-down economics he execrates.”

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Jm — “Did Reagan criticize Carter for the Iran fiasco? Yep. Election year politics. Foreign policy not excluded.”

Nope. As has already been pointed out and established here earlier today, no, Reagan DID NOT.

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and one more thing

seems Fox has been spreading a false rumor about marines with no ammo in Libya

who’d a think it

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curious

“Which loopholes are we talking about?”

Romney can’t tell you.

It’s a secret.

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Why are they being condemned? Because their approach isn’t working.

You’d think with all of their education, they would be willing to step outside of their limited views after four years and entertain some other reason why drop growth has been falling.

Like the declining rate of year over year profit growth.

It’s gonna be a lousy year for job seekers in 2013, regardless of who wins.

And nothing the Fed does today will have any impact on hiring between now and November.

Meanwhile a mere 57% of businesses are doing better than they did one year ago, and the rate of year over year profit growth for all businesses is down to 6.99%(most recent quarter).

One year ago, we were at 15,68%.

And you wonder why the hiring has all but stopped.

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Teacher 4:51

A. You’re 100% wrong
B. You have it backwards
C. You probably shouldn’t be proffering investment advice, especially since you don’t know what you’re talking about, but even if you did….

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Jm, here’s another knee slapper that you’ll enjoy.

George said in his 2000 campaign that he was “going to clean up Wall Street”.

I think he meant to say he and his pals would clean up by closing their eyes and ears as to what was happening of Wall Street…

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He-ne-ha:

Mitt’s Indian name…?

Wa’-do ga-nu-ga tsu-lot-sot-si

BTW like that new monniker…

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syV2LkGpQB0

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George Will?

Is that the same George Will that came home to find all of his belongings on the front lawn with a note that read, “Take it somewhere else buster”, after his wife found out about his affair with his boss’s daughter?

That George Will?

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I don’t think there is much dollar devaluing going on. The effects of QEx are largely offset by the slowdown in growth in China, resulting in them keeping their currency low as always, and Europe’s debt situation is worse than ours so the dollar is still valued. I think a better strategy would be some kind of tax penalty or incentive to get the companies that are doing well and hoarding cash to actually hire more workers.

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There is no end to your spin, Jay.

The Fed is causing inflation/devaluation of assests. And, it’s not working, perhaps Ben thinks the third time will be the charm.

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Oooops !

“Egypt Not an Ally? Obama Better Ask His State Dept.

Administration tries walking back president’s remark with ‘legal’ clarification of what is a US ‘ally’ … “

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“Curious, if you close enough loopholes to make up for the lost revenue under Romney’s plan, you inevitably have to tackle those loopholes that benefit the middle class. That’s where the big money is.”

Or you grow the economy larger. Because then you naturally have higher tax receipts.

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“Or you grow the economy larger. Because then you naturally have higher tax receipts.”

So you support growing the economy with tax dollars? Isn’t that what the Fed action is about?

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“Curious, if you close enough loopholes to make up for the lost revenue under Romney’s plan, you inevitably have to tackle those loopholes that benefit the middle class. That’s where the big money is.”

Jay, only if you cut rates as much as he proposes. Which won’t happen. There are these people called democrats. He will compromise with them and find reasonable middle ground. He did it in MA. Will do it again.

Save America. Elect Romney.

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For those with the courage, I suggest you read some contrarian opinions to the Fed actions today.

http://www.zerohedge.com/

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“There are these people called democrats. He will compromise with them and find reasonable middle ground. ”

You should have your mouth washed out with soap… you said the “C” word…

I’m pretty sure there’s plenty of wingnuts receiving entitlements. Wingnuts may move in lockstep with Rush and the party of NO, but were Mittens to cut off their workmans comp and disablilty checks, I believe the party will become even more fractured…

“Keep your dirty government hands off my Medicare”
– Some random old guy wingnut at a tea bag rally

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Hi Midori!!!

Cute as ever, I see!

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JB: They acknowledge that the move is likely to put more Americans into jobs. But they nonetheless oppose it, condemning it as politically motivated, because they fear those steps might help President Obama.

They should welcome this because it helps fulfill the “jobs jobs jobs” promise they’ve ignored, thus freeing them up to spend more time on what they really care about: obsessing over the personal marital and reproductive practices of others.

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I’m still anxiously awaiting for someone to list the tax loopholes to be closed.

Why is it, you can specify what taxes to be cut, yet can’t identify loopholes?

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Scout 5:12

About an hour ago Shepard Smith on Fox News related reports of Muslims staging counterdemonstrations against the fanatics in Libya. Some carrying signs to the effect of “that isn’t Islam.”

Try again.

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All in all Texas is a great state!!!!

Tom and paul, my older brother from Omaha came to visit me this summer and the conversation turned to the Lone Star State and he too is a BIG fan of it and the people.

Most of my time in Tejas was spent in boot camp in San Antonio, so my memories of the place aren’t all that great! (grin)

But I do like a lot of the music that comes from there! Going way back…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O09J2a_izw

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Curious 5:15 politically unpopular

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good lord josef!! i almost burnt my house down while laughing at your post!!

I’m trying to make red beans and rice to celebrate Grand’s b-day; since he loved r,b&r; so i put the beans, (which were dry) into this pot thats supposed to cook stuff really fast, (I FORGOT that part — about cooking fast), and totally forgot about it!

My bro-n-law came into my room screeching really fast in Portuguese, which i didn’t understand ’cause he was talking too fast, saying that the the pot was on fire!

I had cornbread in the stove, forgot about that too. Burned.

Rice in the rice cooker, BURNED the rice.

And just basically screwed up everything/kitchen. My bro-n-law is digging a hole in the backyard to dump our dinner. He’s muttering something about McDonald’s.

Oh well. anyway, the reason why i said all of the above, is because -

I BLAME YOU JOSEF!!

Better you than my poor cooking skills…….

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Josef, not you I was typing of.

Full of love, hate, happiness, crap – guess what I was thinking.

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Why does right wing troll hate homosexuals? He is using that vulgar epithet again.

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I wandered next door to the Island of Misfit Toys. DANG! Can we take up a collection to get that young man a tool sharpener for his shed? Bless their hearts.

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jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV2TnkE7n8s&feature=relmfu

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2) Now NBC, please do an article on the following:

“Why films and cartoons of Jesus do not spark violence”

Well, that one’s pretty easy Scout. For the most part, there aren’t any. At least not any produced by fanatical Islamists, who hold Jesus in very high regard as a prophet in his own right.

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JHM – 22mins of stirring for risotto…ever try orzo as an alternative? It’s pretty good.

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getalife you gotta stop the insanity. Name one job that Repub obstructionism killed or did not create. Obama had Congress to himself the first 2 years and the best he could do was a pork filled stimulus that didn’t work. Obama’s failure is America’s blessing because he is an empty suit with NO PLAN to get us back…even if Bill says it on a commercial.

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He did it in MA. Will do it again.

That was the former reasonable, moderate, centrist Romney. Who had a wonderful opportunity to bring the GOP back to a far saner, middle course. Instead he has gone completely the opposite direction.

And I believe that this new “severely conservative” (LOL!) Romney has ruined his legacy in the process.

Too many nuts in the Republican Party with too clout and he did not have the you know whats to stand up to them.

The man is utterly unprincipled and unfit to lead.

And his disgraceful lie regarding the Libyan embassy murders is just more evidence…

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weetamoe, Jay only gets indignant about sexual vulgarity when it’s a Conservative.

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“Obama had Congress to himself the first 2 years ”

First rule of the conned: NEVER let a good lie die

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JHM – LOL…I never caught that…upgraded the PC a few days ago
Thanks
orzo works better with some recipes than others, but I think I’ll be shopping for shrooms this evening and start my 22mins

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Jam

I read one post where someone said that Romney wasn’t a politician and she thought that is what people wanted……..

Guess all those “flip flops” were not for political gain………. (sarc)

hahahahah

Even Obama has turned a few cartwheels on issues.

Romney “flip flops” so much he gets motion sickness and has to take Dramamine every morning.

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“For those with the courage,…”

Does it matter what I think of the Fed’s actions? Does the Fed answer to me or care what I think? If I try really really hard, can I have any influence whatsoever on what the Fed does, if I understood this topic with enough depth to comment intelligently?

NOT being sarcastic this time; asking in earnest. I try to save my energy for things I can affect in some way. Is this one of them?

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“getalife you gotta stop”

No and I stopped reading.

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Well, this Bernanke guy might of at least had the decency to let the economy go into the tank till Romney was elected. Then he could cram in all the money he wanted.

But no, this Republican Fed chairman had to go and help Obama out of his fix. We need to kick him out of the party. He’s much worse than a RINO. He’s a Trader to the American Way.

Now when the economy bucks up a teeny bit people will run to the polls and punch the button for Obama. How sucky is that, huh? And the rest of us God-fearing Americans will log on here on Nov. 7 and see that #1 Foxy Lady has told us to Suck It.

We need a 2nd Amenment Solution here right now! I can’t hardly stand it.

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I would vote for just about anybody to get Obama out of office…

Fail.

And why the past two GOP primaries have been little more that a comedy of the absurd.

I ask you, why have you neocons nominated back to back milquetoasts as nominees for the White House? And according to he very words of a whole bunch of “real” Republicans, two “RINOs”.

You’ve had nearly twenty rabidly “conservative” primary entrants in the past two election cycles and you can’t nominate even ONE of them???

What does that tell you about the state of the GOP?

I’ll tell you – dysfunctional.

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It is becoming apparent that Obama’s use of cannabis in his youth must have been pretty heavy (afterall, he was in a “stoners” club of his own making). As with all of those that are heavily involved with the weed, he is more infactuated with coming up with ideas and talking about them than he is with actually trying to do the hard work that it takes to make them happen. Kind of like the burn-out “hippies” from the 60’s. It is documented again and again by Obama’s followers and his critics that he is bored with “details” but as somebody once said, “God is in the details”. Obama is not a man of action. He is a man of words and ideas, both of which won’t buy you a cup of coffee unless they are acted upon and the work and effort is made to try to make them reality. Negotiation is the milk-blood of American politics and every successful president, regardless of which party the congress is comprised of while they are serving, has been willing to negotiate and to give and take. But not Obama. The adoration that was annointed upon Obama in 2008 (as is still happening) by his fawning press did him a grave disservice. He came to believe that his words and his ideas were omnipotent and so he surrounded himself with people that would re-enforce this belief (Vallerie Jarrett, David Axlerod, Rham Emmanuel and Ploufe). Emmanuel quickly found out that Vallerie was an idiot. So did Daley. And both were gone in short order. Obama only wants people around him that will stoke his ego no matter how stupid their suggestion. To Obama, it is all about Obama and the nation does not matter.

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BOTH, yes I saw that. It was the parallel universe denizen @-@.

So being governor of a major state and running for the White House twice is not considered being a politician, huh?

Otay…

One of my favorite Texas musicians (Beaumont )…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz5PYxEHb6o

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Just Proud to Be Here

“before he destroys this country…morally. Just a blogger’s opinion that is every bit as valid as any other.”

Why is that as valid as any other?

What about an opinion that’s based on, you know…. facts?

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Joking aside though, even as terribly unresponsive as this Fed has been all things considered, they’re downright Bolshevik compared to the European Central Bank.

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Jay, inflation won’t show up as long as the capacity and labor slack exists

When it goes away though, we will be facing a disaster

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You got your QEIII-

China and Europe (UK as well) looking at more stimulus.

So, if every economy prints money that helps in what way?

Anyway- keep hitting the hookah

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Joe: Ain’t no such thing as good, fast-cooking risotto, and ain’t no such thing as good, fast-cooking RB&R, either.

Yeah, NOW you tell me!

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Jam

One thing to say you are more aligned politically with the guy, but that statement proves gullibility regardless of political ideology.

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“Does it matter what I think of the Fed’s actions? Does the Fed answer to me or care what I think? If I try really really hard, can I have any influence whatsoever on what the Fed does, if I understood this topic with enough depth to comment intelligently?”

Educate yourself on this “private” bank, which it is not even know who owns it.

I do think when you dive into what the Fed has been attempting to do, and what the costs will be down the road, you will begin to understand why so many are clamoring for A) an audit of the Fed, and B) elimination of the dual(and often contradictory mandates) that the Fed has been given by Congress.

Everything the Fed does affects the future purchasing power of your dollars. It also affects the future value of what what your retirement dollars will one day purchase.

It’s a lot better to raise questions today than to look back 20 years from now and say “We should have been asking more questions”.

And there are many folks profiting from taking investment actions that will insulate you from the Fed’s malfeasance.

I suggest reading some of Peter Schiff’s recent books. You do not have to agree with him completely to realize that there is a great deal of truth in what he writes about the Fed. And he is not the only one with this view.

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josef: First off, you can’t cook the beans FAST…

Yeah, well, in my defense…………ummm………….how was i supposed to know that?!?

I mean, seriously, that’s why I put them in the fast cooker (pressure cooker); so that they’d cook fast.

Duh!

//sarc//

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Jay,

Read further on the Fed’s goals. You will read a helluva lot more about price stability then you will about max employment. Reason being is that max employment is best served long term by promoting pricing stability. What the Fed did was go after a short term goal of more unemployment. And that goal of short term higher employment comes at a cost. It comes in the cost of inflation, penalizes savers.

As CJ’s own post points out price stability as a precondition maximizes long term economic output and employment. Funny how he did not notice that.

“Although price stability can help achieve maximum sustainable output
growth and employment over the longer run, in the short run some tension can exist between the two goals”- Federal reserve

In other words we chose a short term goal at the expense of the long term.

One other thing that is ancillary to this argument. The FMOC tradionally does not like holding non treasury assets. I just heard on the news that the FMOC had bought 2 trillion of mortgage backed securities and if I heard it correctly is purchasing more agency securities. They would like to be rid of agency securities and go back to treasury only securities. Something about morale hazard. But what are they doing? Buying more agency securities if I heard that right. Not good by their own standards.

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DDR

I’ll tell you a little secret…you can take canned (yes, canned!) red beans and start with them…smash about a 1/4 cup and put back in the pot..cook with some andouille, add some V8, a little chopped (not diced) onion, garlic to taste…the longer it simmers the better…not quite the same as starting from soaking scratch, but not bad as you get your feet wet in how to…

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D. DoRight — “Yeah, NOW you tell me!”

The texture of good RB&R should tell you that; soft, tender beans don’t get that way when fast-cooked. Even Wikipedia knows it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_beans_and_rice

My wife makes a version of the moros y cristianos dish mentioned in the Wiki piece, but hers is more like what’s discussed in the Spanish version:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moros_y_cristianos_(gastronom%C3%ADa)

It’s supposed to be white rice and black beans (black beans = Moors and white rice = Christians), but she prefers to use yellow rice instead. And instead of pork or sausage on the side, she shreds roasted pork and lets it simmer in the pot with the beans and rice for about a half hour before serving.

BTW, I would LOVE to have those plates pictured in the Spanish Wiki entry for my dinner.

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What the GOP faithful decry here today, the money folks are loving.

I love American politics.

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EJ Moosa,

Thank you for your response. I have a heavy-duty econ expert in my family, to whom I occasionally toss such questions. I try to keep up, but am lost w/in five minutes.

I think too many people squawk about things they know little about, and that clouds the debate. Since I don’t really understand this topic, I will keep my comments to the part I do understand: My GOP Congressman and his colleagues come out publicly against anything that’s good for America if it’s in any way tied to our current President or might potentially reflect well upon him. As such, it’s hard to know if something really IS bad, or if they just want me to think it is.

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The adoration that was annointed upon Obama in 2008 (as is still happening) by his fawning press did him a grave disservice.

I see this sentiment a LOT from cons. Its like you guys were incredibly jealous, (See Gingrich), of Obama’s popularity.

Emmanuel quickly found out that Vallerie was an idiot. So did Daley. And both were gone in short order. Obama only wants people around him that will stoke his ego no matter how stupid their suggestion. To Obama, it is all about Obama and the nation does not matter.

Sometimes, just sometimes, i wonder if cons live in an alternate universe.

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DAGNABBIT, y’all! Jetz habe ich Hunger!

Where can I get me some RB&R on the way home from the office?

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God Bless you cute little libs.

You are so cute when you apply your double standards. You haven’t said a word about Harry just out right lying about Romneys taxes yet you are outraged that any republican would express the very idea you support. You never were offended by the constant Bush beating and it surely dosent upset you that King Harry will not let one republican House approved bill see the lights of the inter confines of the Senate yet you are just astounded that republicans would dare hurt the country just for politics.

Fact is republicans have been critical of monetary easing ever since it started now all of a sudden it’s news to ya’ll.

I don’t think it’s political to do it but I think your outrage is completely fake and phony.

If you care about the country make King Harry allow a republican bill on the senate floor. Surely just one could just maybe help the situation.

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Bottom line is that there are economic consequences further down the road to the short term goal that the Fed is now pursuing.

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The economic consequences of not doing a QE are much worse than the consequences of doing it. We all live in the short term. We all die in the long term.
Difference of opinion on economic policy.

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Pogo = Refer Madness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jB7RBGVGk
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I would never encourage the use of drugs and alcohol to cure life’s problems.

…although they have worked well for me for 40 years.
Hunter S. Thompson

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MATTI

Where’s the office? We generally got some laying around!

DDR

I second the moros y cristianos along with the yellow rice…I like mine with a creole sauce…and THAT can provoke a mean argument in a Cajun kitchen…I recommend when you’re starting out on Cajun Creole that you pick up Paul Prudhomme and start with what he says to do and then alter it to your taste as you get more comfortable with it…just remember, Cajun Creole is what YOU like…taste, taste, taste and it’s like sex, the longer it takes and the hotter (Cajun) it is, the better!

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Fact is republicans have been critical of monetary easing ever since it started now all of a sudden it’s news to ya’ll[sic].

Not intended to be a factual statement.

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Well, I see the tree-huggers and libruls have made it against the law to sell a big drink in NYC. Won’t nobody be walking around there with a barrel of Coke in a humongous foam cup. They claim it’s a campaign against fatness but the rest of us know what they really want to do. Next thing you know their buddies will be trying to outlaw the 20 oz. Brewskis in this country and we’ll all be setting around with two regular beers at a time. You can worry about the Fed if you want to, but I know where the real danger to our Freedoms is.

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DDR

Not to be critical or anything, but when you took cooking classes didn’t they suggest when cooking something for the FIRST time that you read AND FOLLOW a recipe?

You don’t need to cook just look beautiful LOL

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Thulsa wishes he lived in a country that has a central bank with REAL backbone against the Bolshie FED, like the ECB. They don’t mess around man.

But seriously, Jay, you know that since the Volcker era the dual mandate has not really been the case in practice right? The back of that was effectively broken in late Carter, early Reagan era.

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Common: Not to be critical or anything, but when you took cooking classes didn’t they suggest when cooking something for the FIRST time that you read AND FOLLOW a recipe?

Whatevah…..recipes are SO overrated….

You don’t need to cook just look beautiful LOL

Well, at least you made it up to me with that^^^. Thanks!

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If Bernanke is trying to drive down the value of the dollar, he is doing a lousy job of it. Since 2008 the dollar is up 15% against the euro, 30% against the ruble, 25% against the Brazilian real, and 25% against the rupee. The only currency up against the dollar is the Chinese yuan (14%), and the whole world wants the yuan to appreciate. So, the concern about driving the value of the dollar down is without merit.
Bernanke is trying to force investors to buy something besides treasuries, since treasuries now earn less than the projected rate of inflation and do not help stimulate the economy. Only growth in the private sector, or government stimulus will do that. The privates are sitting on their assets, and the pubs are sitting on the stimulus, so Bernanke is the last resort, and his actions have not hurt the value of the dollar or caused a spike in inflation.
Romney’s program only works, if he goes after the big deductions – mortgage interest and deductions for state and local taxes. It makes sense for him, since the big guys (1%) won’t miss them, and the middle class is being crushed anyway. So, no middle class breaks – no problem.

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Jay, this is what Volcker said in 1981 that kind of gave the game away:

I am wholly convinced—and I think I can speak for the whole Board and whole Open Market Committee — that recognizing that that objective for unemployment [4 percent] cannot be reached in the short run—the kinds of policies we are following offer the best prospect of returning the economy in time to a course where we can combine as full employment as we can get with price stability.

Key phrase here is “as we can get” while still maintaining price stability.

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Oscar,

We can indeed chalk it up to differences of opinion on Fed policy. I just think its misleading to cast Republicans as being against people having jobs because of a difference in Fed monetary policy. And for the record I think any wise man will tell you its better to think long term as opposed to short term. Short term thinking is what’s gotten us into trouble all along whether it be Rs or Ds doing the short term fix.

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Warning****************DESPERATION ALERT

POOR MITT, Yesterday and NOW this!

Mitt Romney is giving away two seats on his customized jet for a first class look at the campaign trail.

In an email sent by his campaign team, Romney asks his supporters to donate $15 for a chance to win a seat on what his wife Ann likes to call “Hair Force One.”

I BET that is one SCARY RIDE!

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DDR

Brother Al should’ve stuck to radio… -)

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josef: Hey, I’m not showing off…I’ve had my man for closing in on 40 years and he me…yeah, we were beautiful when we started out, but it was the groceries we wound up coming home to!

Dudley didn’t marry me for my cooking…(In the kitchen)……

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Has anyone been to one of theses cooking schools sponsored by Publix?
I`m going to check them out shortly.
http://www.publix.com/aprons/schools/Alpharetta/AllClassList.do

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Bookman is now the AJC’s financial reporter, in addition to being its political hack. I take great pleasure in reading his columns the last few days. There is nothing like his whining and bed wetting to validate the end of Obama’s reign. Many people of both political party’s believe that further quantitative easing is a horrible mistake. It will do nothing to improve the economic mess Obama has created. It will do nothing to create jobs. It will add to the deficit, which should, and does, ring alarm bells for everyone with even an ounce of economic intelligence. The stock market closed up 1.5%, which is almost exactly what the new round of easing will create in inflation, so its a wash. But to the ignorant sycophants, (Bookman), its a great and couragious step. It wont take long for commodities prices to go up by the same percentage, including gasoline. Who ever would have thought that fooling the masses would be so easy? Barack Obama I guess, I have to give him credit for not underestimating the stupidity of the average American, or the average AJC “reporter”. However, I dont think Obama is going to pull another election win out of his hat. There is growing awareness and discontent with this Jimmy Carter cyborg. The columns written by Bookman serve a wonderful purpose on this voyage to enlightenment: they are so convoluted, biased, and contains such twisted logic that even an AJC reader is gagging. Thanks for the help, Jay!

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In an email sent by his campaign team, Romney asks his supporters to donate $15 for a chance to win a seat on what his wife Ann likes to call “Hair Force One.”

Well, before I do any donating I want to know something. If I win do I get to ride inside the plane or outside strapped to the top?

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What the Fed has done is told all seniors that they must invest in stocks because the CD rate is going to stay under 1% for the next 3 years. This will of course give security to our seniors who have a limited nest egg to supplement their social security.

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Anyone have an update as to whether Egypt is an ally or not? There appears to be some confusion.

Also, if O’bozo is relying on the fed to save his sorry as$, he’s stupider than the lib ilks who post here.

Well, maybe not since I don’t know if that’s possible…

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Leroi
Big Daddy ain’t a “reporter.” He’s an opinion pundit, He gets paid for his horsesh*t and you don’t. Nice work, if you can get it. If you can’t, though, you’re welcome to come in here and kvetch…

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Bookman, the unemployment rate IS in double digits, when you count all of the unemployed, not just those looking for a job. Of course you buy into and support the lies from Obama. It completely negates your ignoring the dual mandate. When Jimmy Carter ran the economy into the ground, there were still some useful idiots trying to bend numbers and obfuscate to find a way to support him. Luckily then, and now, there are enough clear thinking and logical voters, note I did not say citizens, who can see past the BS.

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Yeah because that $860 billion stimulus bill that had to be signed ASAP back in 2009 to keep unemployment from going above 8%, create millions of shovel ready and green energy jobs has worked so well {eye roll}.

Stupidity: spending more taxpayer dollars to artificially stimulate the economy.

Insanity: repeating it.

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Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) @ 6:36 pm – Being that I am African American
surely they have a sit in the REAR, especially reserved for PEOPLE LIKE ME!

The first seat right outside the Lavatory entrance. Hmmmmm! Love that Smell!

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Jay

until you answered LeRoi I had scrolled past his screed. You made me go back and look.

BAD JAY

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Meth Lab Leroy posted at 3 something o’clock in the morning today.

The man keeps bizarre blogging hours to match his bizarre screeds…

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americanthinker?

Too funny!

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Sweet job, Jay. Please keep pulling out those stops.!

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Jay

Can we quote fact checkers on that American Thinker website?

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Bernie hates moms and grandmoms.

Kinda sad…

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Jay,

Well at least you now agree that there is a dual mandate and that full employment is not the sole mandate of the Fed. Regarding price stability there is still an error in thinking. Flooding the economy with all that new money is going to have quite an effect on purchasing power and negatively effect savers and those on fixed incomes such as seniors. So price stability is still not going to be maintained. Nevertheless we’ve beaten this dead horse enough.

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Paul – 90 min to do risotto?
30min tops and the starch is all broken down…cant imagine what you were doing wrong

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Just turned on the HD.

See a lot of weenie roasts going on in the ME. I loves me s’mores too. I think the flames are a little high though.

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BIG DADDY

“Don’t try to rewrite history, sir.”

Or at least if you do, get a MAJOR historian to show you how…

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Right on the mark Jay. The way I figure it, none of their donors have really had to go without anything during Bush’s recession and in fact the vultures are probably gobbling up assets at fire sale prices. So why not continue the general suffering as long as it takes to get that n out of the White House? I hope voters give them all a big surprise in their Congressional votes and turn these “rule or ruin” folks out.

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Has any of those who oppose Mr. Bernanke’s move to help stimulate the economy stopped to consider the USA is 25% of the world’s economy, therefore, with the rest of the world on the brink of another recession, why is it hard to understand that something needs to be done to keep the economy moving.

Secondly, it was announced last week that the American worker is the most productive in the world and the efficiency of the manufactures has increased more than 2% annually, giving the managers of those companies a means of limiting hiring because those that are employed can produce more product.

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The actions and behavior from the right after the election of President Obama would be a good history book.

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a 19 yo intern

why don’t you make her 9 and a Special Ed student?

long as you’re just inventing stuff on the spot, that is.

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getalife

The problem with that is, it would have to be encyclopedic in volumes…

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Jay, it appears that Romney is losing ground these days.

Do you think that his Libyan blunder is a factor in these latest numbers? Or is that too early to show up? And will it cause even further erosion?

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DDR

Sink and the like actually believe this is helping Romney and Obama is going to lose the election…………

Not over till it is over, but I predict a crying Sink as opposed to a crying Sink we see now

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DDR

You know what scares me? The folks who are all but cheering on the mobs in the ME just to “prove” a point…it’s as if they want them to take over so they can say “so, there…I told you…” Sad…

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It appears that the Market likes what the Fed is doing even if Wingnut and the TeaPubs dont.

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Debbie,

I think your post on voter id needs the attention of the Department of Justice so they can fight against it.

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Egypt already has a hunger problem. Good luck on getting that tourist business back now.

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josef,

Yeah and we have to wait until after his second term.

We have not seen all the gop outrageous attacks yet.

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At least John McCain didn’t make a fool out of himself on the national stage. (Excluding picking Sarah!)

But Mitt Romney sure has. What a terrible candidate.

Obama’s writers will be preparing his Lou “Luckiest man on the face of the earth” Gehrig speech soon…

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“Total BS, Thulsa. I never said or in any way implied that full employment was the sole mandate.”

Jay,

Baloney. Well you sure as hell suggested it when you stated earlier that full employment was the statutory mandate of the Fed. You said nothing about the dual mandate so the suggestion seemed pretty clear to me that you considered full employment the only mandate. And if not then you certainly should have been more precise in your statement and mentioned the dual mandate. As it stands you did not. So I stand by my remark.

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Getalife, would that be the same DOJ that said the members of the new black panthers, standing outside of a polling place with a bat, were not intimidating anyone? The same DOJ that bought and smuggled weapons to the Mexican drug cartels, that were used to kill a DEA Agent in Phoenix. The same DOJ that refused to produce documents requested by congress, then claimed “executive privilege”? The same DOJ where the leader was held in Contempt of Congress? In the DNC, everyone there had to produce 2 forms of ID to be admitted to Obama’s speech, why were the DEMS suppressing attendance to Obama’s speech?

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Getting a little more serious for a minute here, but Romney most likely shot a hole the size of his ego in the GOP boat. His comments were irresponsible, reactionary and oriented to play to that base.

This is Obama’s game here, and if he plays his cards right, this could be his coup. Libya made it clear in its elections that the citizenry has no stomach for radicalism and went heavily for moderation. The West still has a great deal of goodwill on the ground there due to the way it behaved in the revolution. We need to support to the utmost the present government in its goal of bringing to LIBYAN justice those who would seek to derail the promise of their revolution. The reason Libya was chosen for this action was that it was succeeding in bringing about real and substantive change.

This requires moderation on our part and a cool head. I think we have that in President Obama and I think the Libyan people know that. The last thing we need to be doing is attacking them and doing our own dirt in derailing their revolution.

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BTW, if romney suspended his campaign after the attack on 9/11 instead of attacking him, he would not go to Vegas.

McCain schooled him but he did not listen.

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Ooops LeRoy! Meant to give you THIS site:

http://petcaretips.net/grinchheartsmall.jpg

LeRoi hated Obama!
He had no reason — he just hated him, no matter the season!

Now, please don’t ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be that his head wasn’t screwed on quite right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were to tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.

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Seen on a manager’s desk many years ago and, still, oh so true………………….We the unwilling, led by the unknowing, had done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualify to do anything with nothing. So much for the state of business and politics today.

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Okay. I’ll answer your question. I’m not Jay but I think that was the best thing Romney has said yet. Here is another question – do you think these attacks have helped Hillary in her possible quest for President in 2016? Another question – why does Obama read his intell briefs every day instead of going to the briefs? This country was de facto attacked and all the majority of you people want to do is run a man down for makeing a statement that the vast majority of American Citizens would have made. Yeah, I can’t wait for the polls to come out just to see how screwed up the people are that participate in said polls if they still lean Obama.

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it’s as if they want them to take over so they can say “so, there…I told you…”

As if?

(on Jay’s threads, I think perhaps the most obnoxious regular has to be Scout and his sarcastic “ARAB SPRING” contributions, where he basically cheers for every act of violence committed by anyone with a Muslim-y sounding name easy of, oh, Lubec, Maine.)

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EAST of Lubec.

I’ll come in again…

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Jam @ 7:08 – OMG Jam!! At first i didn’t getit, but when I did!! I laughed so hard!!!

Dang good thing i wasn’t cooking anything, or I could blame you too for making me burn up the kitchen!

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The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has now called for a nationwide day of demonstration tomorrow against the US. And to think, just a couple of months ago Obama was sucking up to their leaders in our White House. Jimmy Carter Redux??? Oh yea.

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DDR

Love Paula Dean…anybody who’s got cream of mushroom soup in the cabinet is A all right in my book…

….and a foodie vacation in NOLA…yay! What better place than back to our roots…Europe, Africa and America in that perfect blend of subtle and slap you down at the same time…say whatever else you will about us, good food and good music make life look a lot better…

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Obama is sucking up to them TONIGHT. They have mutual goals in the ME.

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JAY

@ 7:32

Amen! That was one of the most incredibly irresponsible things that could have ever been conceived of!

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Both: Sink and the like actually believe this is helping Romney and Obama is going to lose the election…………

They SHOULD be about helping AMERICANS. What a bunch of azz holes!

josef: You know what scares me? The folks who are all but cheering on the mobs in the ME just to “prove” a point…it’s as if they want them to take over so they can say “so, there…I told you…” Sad…

Yes – there are a lot of ignorant people doing that. They can do that because they don’t have any “dogs in this fight” so to speak. It’s not THEIR kids who’ll be on the front line of any war. It’s not THEIR grandchildren who will suffer from a total massive breakdown of the economy — they made sure of that when they squirreled their money away in the Caymans and Switzerland.

So THEY can be as gleeful as they want about the atrocities that are happening in the middle east — they’re not affected in any way.

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Tc…kinda agree on capital gains….isn’t it basically money you made thru no fault of your own?
but then again, i think universities should have their endowments taxed, they all have gamed to get the govt money

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“I realize that the right has gotten itself all heted up about that, but then again, you’ve lost the ability to distinguish between a real issue and an issue fabricated to appeal to your base.”

Well, I see your mindset Jay. Attacks on multiple US embassys (sic) is not a real issue. Who would have thought.

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“Obama is not a man of action”
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And you know what?

Bears don’t defecate in dense foliage

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He’s not your obedient servant.

Get used to it.

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Speaking of Jimmuh, here is a link to him correcting Obama’s statement that Egypt is not an ally. I post this because you are certainly not going to read it in the AJC.

http://nation.foxnews.com/jimmy-carter/2012/09/13/jimmy-carter-corrects-obama

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“Romney’s Libya bungle is too fresh to have been picked up in the polls, and yes, I do expect it to erode his numbers. On the other hand, I also expect Obama’s post-convention bounce to fade a bit, so it may end up as a wash. A wash is not what Romney needs.”

Well, the Obama administration’s failure to foresee and advise those in the Middle East about the violence that might result from the release of the film (despite reports now coming out now that there were warnings about the film days ago) is cannot help Obama’s prospects.

But, even more than that (and perhaps something that cannot be blamed fully on anyone), is the growing unrest in the Middle East in reaction to the film. If this develops into a much more serious situation, I think it will really hurt Obama because 1) fair or not, he is president and 2) he is widely thought to have bent over backwards too far in being conciliatory towards a large population of people who act very badly whenever their religion is called into question (which stands in stark contrast to the early Christians who were persecuted to their deaths and – to his great credit – Martin Luther King, Jr. in the civil rights movement).

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Wrong, Pogo. It is a day of demonstration against that movie.

Yea pogo. The poster for the movie just happens to be a banner with red and white stripes and stars in a blue field. Just watch.

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DebbieDoDallas:

“Both: Sink and the like actually believe this is helping Romney and Obama is going to lose the election…………”

Sort of. This kind of thing demonstrates weak leadership by O’bozo, at best. It also demonstrates piss poor judgement by O’bozo since he celebrated the “Arab Spring.”

Facts is facts. Let the chip fall where they may.

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Yeah Jamvet @748, everyone of your copy and pastes are nothing more ten left leaning news rags. I really believe the left leaning media. I take it for the gospal. Yes siree!

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JamVet do you ever post anything new, or any substance? We all read the mainstream media attacks on Romney, who dared to criticize your Dear Leader. Here is the truth, Clinton and Obama both criticized the statements from the Embassy, AFTER Romney did, and later took them down. So Obama criticizes Romney for something he later criticizes himself? I know its more work following along, and thinking, but it has rewards, like not posting nonsense. The mainstream media does not reflect American thinking, and Romney was correct. We have rights in this country, and we need to aware and defend those rights, including freedom of religion, and free speech. We do not need to pander to Muslim thugs by saying we dont support those rights, just because what was said pissed them off!

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ERWIN’S

I have heard some good things about Seattle and food…when I was living up that way a few decades back, well…but then I’m not a huge seafood eater…but I will say this, they make some good wines up that way.

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See what I am talking about:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

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No Jay. I won’t be doing any victory jigs. I just think the Commander in Chief’s presence should be in Washington during heightened tensions, not on the campaign trail.

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Le,

American politics is about perception. New to politics?

Instead of going beserk after the attack on 9/11, he should have waited until it played out and acted like the gop.

He looked like a knee jerk idiot.

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“I shouldn’t have to as it is patently obvious they have. But I will keep that in mind for the future.”

I think towncrier needs to consider changing his or her name to CRYINGWOLF!

I won’t even address the second half of that post.

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Jay @756. We will see when the polls come out won’t we? Sure, he got a small bounce from Bill’s speech. IO will say again that Obama’s behaviour during this crisis has been less than satisfactory.

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The POS Volt costs taxpayers $7500 for each one sold. It’s the Solyndra of motor vehicles.

GM is selling some because O’bozo has ordered the federal government to purchase a boatload.

I could never stand on its own.

You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it.

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Leroy, come on now. President Obama criticized Romney for the statements criticizing his administration, not the embassy statement. I know it’s more work following along….but it’s certainly easier for you to change a small fact or two to make your point.

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The POS Volt costs taxpayers $7500 for each one sold. It’s the Solyndra of motor vehicles.

GM is selling some because O’bozo has ordered the federal government to purchase a boatload.

I could never stand on its own.

You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it.

Universe too.

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Not me. I’m just wondering where our Preezy is when all this is happening

Stinkybeeeyootch: Wherever he is, he’s still President. How’s ya boy?

josef: ….and a foodie vacation in NOLA…yay! What better place than back to our roots…Europe, Africa and America in that perfect blend of subtle and slap you down at the same time…say whatever else you will about us, good food and good music make life look a lot better…

Word.

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Reality has since rendered its verdict on that prediction. How did it turn out for you?

The election over already? I didn’t realize my nap lasted that long.

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“The election over already? I didn’t realize my nap lasted that long.”

Time can really fly when you nod off.

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TOWNCRIER

Nyanh…a brand of felafel!

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Not at all surprisingly, none of the Republicans here have denounced Romney’s despicable and embarrassing lie.

Rather, some, like the uninformed, fact averse 12, have actually championed it.

Shockingly (or not) even Mr Wingfield himself, who I like a lot, tried to twist the facts and the timeline yesterday, but I had to disabuse him of that would be cover up by posting the facts in black and white.

And that ended the discussion.

Shades of the worst of the Tricky Dick Republicans during Watergate.

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Republican Party of America… “

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“Not at all surprisingly, none of the Republicans here have denounced Romney’s despicable and embarrassing lie.”

Perhaps that’s because he didn’t tell one, Jammie.

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Crier, if you’d like to offer an example of the Democrats behaving in similar fashion, I’ll tell you what I think of it. But i would argue strongly that what we’re seeing from the Republicans in the Obama era is qualitatively different from anything I’ve seen in my lifetime, from Democrats or Republicans.

Jay, you and your liberal idiots do this every single day, you would not have a column if you didn’t….

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One thing I thought I would never see this cycle.

The gop uniting with our President to show patriotism and resolve.

It was too much to ask the cons and romney to follow their lead

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Murph, no Embassy anywhere, most especially the one in Cairo, is going to issue statements that are not first approved by the State Department first. Romney rightly, correctly, and justifyingly criticized the Administration for the Embassy’s remarks, which by extension were the position of the Administration. Obama and Clinton both later criticized the same remarks, and had them removed. If you believe that Obama’s administration did not approve the remarks beforehand, then it proves that Obama’s administration is incompetent, and does not control even an Embassy staffer. If you believe, correctly, that DC and Obama approved the remarks, then he is liar. Either one plausible to me, neither one does anything but make Obama look like the idiot that he is. That is why the mainstream media has circled the wagons around Obama, to defend their clown. Most thinking people see the truth, but even pointing it out starkly to DEMS is not enough to convince them, because they want to drink the kool aid.

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If you want to look at the timeline of events, first romney said he would not play politics on 9/11.

Then he went berserk and attacked our President and refused to unite with our President like the gop.

Today he toned it down and cried about leadership.

That is not leadership.

That was a rookie and weak move.

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Jamvet @811,

What are you blabbering about now? Obama screwed the pooch on this one and you know it.

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[Sheepishly slinks into chair] Back…The Voice isn’t on tonight. Guess that goes to show you want an addiction can do to your mind.

“Not at all surprisingly, none of the Republicans here have denounced Romney’s despicable and embarrassing lie.”

Strangely, JV, I have never seen you call out your own (like Harry Reid, for example) whenever they have made inappropriate partisan remarks. How do you account for that?

With respect to Romney’s remarks, I think he erred. Do I think he deliberately distorted the timeline all of you want to may such a big deal about? No. I don’t think he was aware that the Embassy statement preceded the actual attacks. There apparently were conflicting reports about the timing. You probably think otherwise and imagine him to be the next great Satan. I cannot help that. Why don’t you write a sequel to Dante’s Inferno and pencil in Republicans and people like me into the 9th circle?

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“That is not leadership”

Getalife,
Going to Vegas to campaign is leadership?

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It’s not THEIR money………..so who cares……From Eric Peters……..the electric Lemon————

“Even with the existing $7,500 tax credit and sweetheart lease offers as low as $199 per month designed to “move product,” not much product has been moving. As of mid-September, year-to-date Volt “sales” have yet to reach 14,000 – just a bit shy of the projected 40,000 GM anticipated.

And how about those Obama Jobs the Obama Car was supposed to confect? GM has had to idle the production line where the Volt is (well, was) built – and “temporarily” lay-off 1,300 workers.

What’s shocking is that GM – apparently – wasn’t able to anticipate any of this. It does not require the proverbial rocket scientist.

So, are the guys in charge stupid? How else to explain their inability to anticipate that a car that costs more than $33,000 – that’s after the current $7,500 tax subsidy – and which will still cost $30,000 after the pending $10,000 subsidy or as much as an entry-level Lexus or BMW – might not be very appealing to people concerned about paying $3 and change for a gallon of gas?

People who, you know, are concerned about spending money – unlike GM and Obama.

Well, that may be just the point. They’re not stupid. It’s simply that it’s not their money. It’s yours. Always more where that came from.

So, they don’t care that the Volt – and the rest of them – suck ass, economically speaking. Functionally, too. Though interesting as technology demonstrators, they still can’t go nearly as far – without lots of hassle – as the most humble non-electric new car.

Perhaps a car like the Volt will pay for itself down the road, in the form of reduced operating costs (well, except for the cost of electricity and that $2,000 charging station you”ll need to have installed in your garage). But even assuming the Volt and its kind are cheaper to drive, long term – and that’s by no means certain or even probable – they still cost Lexus-BMW money up front. Even with the $7,500 subsidy. Even with the pending $10,000 subsidy. And people in a position to buy a Lexus or BMW want… a Lexus or a BMW. Not a Chevy.

And those who aren’t in a position to afford a Lexus can’t afford this Chevy.”
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lol

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Orange,

Yes when your opponent to Virginia.

Your argument is a loser.

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Really the GOP is done for this election. I said it before and I will say it again, without a succesful voter suppression effort they have no chance in winning this election… period.

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I’m not against alternative vehicles, but the car business is a profit type deal. You can’t lose money on every unit. Do they think they plan on losing money on every car, but make it up on volume?

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Hey, Jammie, read LeRo at 8:18. He nailed it.

As to those statements you posted, unlike you, I don’t rely on the Daily Kooks for my “facts.”

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“It’s disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks. ”

“sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

Unfit to hold any office.

Make great ads for the dems to get the house though.

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“Who is CinC right now?”

It is silly but if the opponent decided to take the day off, he would too.

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Come on @Jay…

“VOLT” = battery = (solar) cell = Solyndra

You do see the “logic” there, right?

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So, they don’t care that the Volt – and the rest of them – suck ass, economically speaking. Functionally, too. Though interesting as technology demonstrators, they still can’t go nearly as far – without lots of hassle – as the most humble non-electric new car.

It’s called energy-density. Even at European gas prices, the gasoline powered automobile is still the personal transportation vehicle of choice. When an electric vehicle can do this, let me know:

400 miles without recharging
No special equipment to be purchased at my house to charge it
Range not affected by running things like heat, lights, and a/c
Recharges in 5 minutes
With only routine maintenance lasts over 10 years and 200k miles without replacement of major components.

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“Hey who even KNEW that movie was out there?”

Muslims apparently did. But I guess they are smarter than the folks at Homeland Security.

“Yet, somehow, this is OBAMA’s FAULT for not having that super secret super dooper crystal ball that foresees the future and could SEE this coming?”

Not him personally, but it think it should have been caught by someone. I guess those questions will be answered in the days to come. But if the story I linked @ 7:57 is accurate, DDR, the Obama administration has more to worry about than not having caught the release of this film on the Internet. From the article:

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown”, under which movement is severely restricted.

My first point in the post you responded to still, I think, stands.

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Making the Fed responsible for job growth is as intelligent as putting the White House in charge of embassy security – it is manifestly incompetent for the task. I am aware that leftists thought (and still think) Humphrey-Hawkins was brilliant legislation, even if it is sophomoric economics.

For the clueless, the Fed is marginally competent for the job of maintaining an adequate supply of money, and preserving the value of the dollar. Nothing else.

The Fed is justly criticized for foolishing goosing the money supply because it debases the currency and has no effect on “job growth.” If you really want job growth, eliminate those job killing regulations arising from ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank. No amount of money stimulus on earth is sufficient to overcome those industry-chokers.

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The Volt!!!! BWahahahahahah. You truly ARE a clown. Wow. He actually brings up the Volt. Jay, do you own one yet? I am guessing not because you haven’t burned up in it yet.

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Crier – The state Department, knowing that the anniversary of 9/11 was upcoming, had already put each consulate, ESPECIALLY the ones in the middle east, on high alert.

That’s why there were extra guards at the consul in Libya. Also, what a lot of cons fail to mention, is that some of those same guards DIED protecting Americans in Libya.

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Therefore, my FNM TITPB prediction is 25 posts, and not from one of our usual suspects, but from a previously unseen DNC troll that is going to comment on Romney’s comments about the ME mess.

I’ll take the over, and it will be the usual Obama sux rant.

(candy from a baby)

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The Volt, GM, and the UAW are all tied to Obama. If you listen to Obama, he wouldn’t have it any other way. The Volt is well…not much. I think it looks nice though. GM is not number one anymore, and won’t. be by the end of 2012. If you think about the number of models GM have on the market VS Toyota, that’s amazing. Amazingly sad.

GM cars are nice….now. I give them credit for actually trying to compete and design nice autos.

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Well, I said nasty and reactionary…looks like I got it in spades…

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Electric vehicles have a niche market. If you live at the right place, live near work and shopping, it is a perfect fit. But, gas will be king for many years to come for the majority. How do you thing the Leafs and Volts get to the dealership? Electric car haulers?

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Too bad there are no gop leaders to tell you cons to start acting like Americans.

I think they stopped listening to you cons because you act so crazy.

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UAW? Maybe.

You’re right Sink. Our President saved the union.

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““Our President saved the auto industry…”

That is soooo wrong”

They were given another chance. And…they may fail.

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My flux capacitor went out on the De Lorean and it cost a fortune to get another.

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Common Sense…

To, co ty mówisz!

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“NOT the White House.”

I’m sorry. I was thinking the POTUS was commander-in-chief. And I thought the State Department also answered to the POTUS. When did all of that change?

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“I’m sorry. I was thinking the POTUS was commander-in-chief. And I thought the State Department also answered to the POTUS. When did all of that change?”

Not in Jamvet’s country.

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We were attacked and all you want to do is run a man down that is not even in office is hold a liar responsible for his repugnant lie, rather than play stupid and pretend he didn’t.

Especially someone who wants to sit in the West Wing for the next four years.

It’s the American thing to do.

Fight for what’s right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHay_Uf6008

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. I was thinking the POTUS was commander-in-chief. And I thought the State Department also answered to the POTUS. When did all of that change?

When something went wrong.

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josef

Do I have to translate if fer ya

Or just talk LOUDER AND SLOWER LOL

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“We were attacked and all you want to do is run a man down that is not even in office is hold a liar responsible for his repugnant lie, rather than play stupid and pretend he didn’t.”

WAAH, WAAH Alert. Sound General Quarters, The USS Jamvet is takeing on water.

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Ben said he will keep doing it until it works.

Or until the gop stops the obstruction.

Your move gop.

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Orange,

Not very patriotic are you?

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“That’s because the producer/director made SURE they knew about it. The film was originally released in July, but only began to be noticed in the Islamic world after a version dubbed into Arabic was put online last week.”

The truth will out. DDR. I hope you are right – because the alternative is scary. It would mean we have escaped trouble here in the US by luck and the still relatively small numbers of terrorists.

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“Not very patriotic are you?”

Stay on point Getalife. I don’t think anyone here has a reason to question my patriotism including you.

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Orange,

I witnessed the cons not unite to show unity with your words.

Own it.

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“Here is a link to the truth about the GM bailout.”

Come on, LeRoi2, that’s a link to a NR article. Everyone here knows that not anyone should listen to anything someone there says – they are non-objective, idiotic and partisan wingnuts and pathological liars. Just some of the people here: you’ll see. Oh…wait…Jay actually links to the NR from time to time, even in support of his argument. Um…never mind.

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US State Department spokesperson, Victoria Nuland said, Egypt is considered a major non-NATO ally.

President Obama: “”I don’t think that we would consider them an ally,”

Clown car, turn left.

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Getalife.
“I witnessed the cons not unite to show unity with your words.”

I saw a shooting star in a hurricane. Get specific.

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“Jammie Instutute for the Ignorant.”

Motto: Where Knowledge, Like Intelligence, is Optional.

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