Romney claims Obama sympathizes with attack on U.S.

UPDATE 10:20: In a press conference, Romney just claimed that “it is never too early to condemn” attacks on U.S. personnel. Apparently, “never too early” means condemning the attacks before they have even occurred. He also made it pretty clear that no apology for his statements will be forthcoming.

He is simply wrong on this. Wrong factually, wrong politically, wrong as a matter of simple decency. He has bungled this badly, and is doubling down on the bungle.

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With four American diplomats dead in Libya, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the United States has in effect come under attack overseas. The response of the Mitt Romney campaign has been to accuse the Obama administration of sympathizing with the attackers.

That charge is grotesque. It is also factually incorrect. It can be made correct only by going back in time and rearranging events to suit the Romney narrative, and that is not going to happen. Let’s take a look at how the tragic events in question played out:

newt
reince
olens

1.) Alarmed at reports of rising anger in Egypt over an anti-Islamic film made in the United States, the U.S. embassy in Cairo tries to calm things Tuesday morning with a statement in which it “condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims—as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”

2.) Hours AFTER that statement is released, as the Wall Street Journal reports, protesters in Cairo breach the walls of the embassy and pull down the American flag.

3.) Attacks in Libya — also launched well AFTER the embassy statement — end in the tragic death of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador. They died in service to our country.

4.) Romney quickly puts out a statement calling it “disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

5.) In the actual first U.S. response to the attacks, released about the same time as the Romney statement, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemns the violence in no uncertain terms:

“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”

The charge that an American president sympathizes with those who attacked this country should not be made easily. In fact, under the circumstances it is a charge that should not have been made at all. It would seem to me that an apology is in order from former Gov. Romney, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus, Georgia Attorney General Sam Olens and others who made such an unfounded charge at such a delicate time.

– Jay Bookman

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Welcome to the Occupation

September 12th, 2012
9:58 am

What a loathsome thug, this Romney creep.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 12th, 2012
9:59 am

The charge that an American president sympathizes with those who attacked this country should not be made easily. In fact, under the circumstances it is a charge that should not have been made at all.

A candidate who makes these types of false claims is NOT a leader nor does he possess presidential qualities. SHAME ON MITT

Welcome to the Occupation

September 12th, 2012
10:01 am

The Republican party, utterly bankrupted in the sphere of ideas, has absolutely nothing left but to exploit the most cynical means to close the minds of anyone who’ll listen and any potential voter by spewing ludicrously cartoonish oversimplifications and misleading conclusions for any given issue.

They have NOTHING.

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:02 am

Let’s look at Obama foreign policy on it’s merits:

If one were to judge Obama foreign policy capabilities by current events, you’d have to say he is an abject failure

Things do not seem to be going well at all in the ME, in particular in Egypt which has a population of 80 million

Iran plugs along

Russia is undermining us across the globe

And in Asia, Japan and China seem inclined to resort to military means over a couple of islands

Obama foreign policy (lead from behind aka be weak) does not look very effective at all.

Putting aside Romney’s statement which was a reasonable kind of response to the Embassy’s original statement, Obama looks unfit to lead our country given the failures of his foreign policy.

liz

September 12th, 2012
10:03 am

Matthew 5:39-”But I say to you, do not resist a evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” I challenge the christian zealots to practice what they preach. Show some love.

massachusetts refugee

September 12th, 2012
10:04 am

jay jay jay. you of all people should know that facts mean nothing to these morally bankrupt buggers.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

September 12th, 2012
10:05 am

It would seem to me that an apology is in order from former Gov. Romney, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus, Georgia Attorney General Sam Olens and others who made such an unfounded charge at such a delicate time.

Ha! Dream on! Apologies are for people who can admit their errors and for whom “truth” is important. These guys just want to win, because winners can re-write history to suit themselves.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 12th, 2012
10:06 am

Pinochet

Shah

Duvaliers

The US doesn’t have a great history of installing good people – what’s going on in the ME right now may be messy, turbulent and, in fact, violent – but it’s THEIR countries – THEY have the right to create their own governments … even if that government IS the Muslim Brotherhood.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 12th, 2012
10:07 am

“jay jay jay. you of all people should know that facts mean nothing to these morally bankrupt buggers.”

word.

TaxPayer

September 12th, 2012
10:07 am

If Romney cared about anything other than himself and his political aspirations, he would not have even made the false claims to begin with. Romney continues to prove that he is unworthy of holding an office than requires true service to others. That also rules out his chances as dog catcher.

Stonethrower

September 12th, 2012
10:07 am

“The truth is whatever people will believe is the truth. Don’t you know history?”
Joseph Heller

TaxPayer

September 12th, 2012
10:08 am

Does the Book of Mormon include the Ten Commandments.

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:09 am

Maybe Obama should be attending his intelligence briefings. Instead of golfing.

Bloomberg Troll

September 12th, 2012
10:11 am

Welcome to the Occupation

September 12th, 2012
10:11 am

No, what was actually “sad and pathetic” was seeing Mr. Priebus trying to hush a bunch of goons in the crowd at his party’s convention who were jeering a woman trying to present with chants of “U-S-A” for the simple reason that she spoke in accented English.

#TodaysRepublicansForYou

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 12th, 2012
10:12 am

“Maybe Obama should be attending his intelligence briefings. Instead of golfing.”

wow – I didn’t know that you are privy to Obama’s daily schedule …

TaxPayer

September 12th, 2012
10:12 am

And of course the leaders of the party of angry old white men seize on any opportunity to promote an invasion of the country that was responsible for the terrorist attacks. Oops. Never mind. Another flashback to the Bush invasion of Iraq. Or was it McCain’s hidden desires regarding Iran. What’s the difference.

CJ

September 12th, 2012
10:12 am

Let’s take our way back machine all the way to, well, yesterday. That is when the Romney campaign was dismissing foreign policy as a distraction. “Shiny objects” was the metaphor that they used–

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/obamas-plan-to-use-national-security-as-a-cudgel

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

September 12th, 2012
10:12 am

This is Grade A desperation by the GOP. They will stoop to any level of lie to win the White House. If it wasn’t so sad, I’d laugh out loud.

godless heathen

September 12th, 2012
10:12 am

Romney Camp got the timing wrong. Mistake. However, the administration chose the anniversary of 9/11 to condemn the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims. Mistake, IMO.

St Simons - original Georgian

September 12th, 2012
10:13 am

His campaign is over.
Hang him for treason.
America is tired of treasonous cons.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 12th, 2012
10:13 am

GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney was originally scheduled to hold a press conference in Jacksonville, Fla. on the attacks in Libya and Egypt, but according to CNN, he canceled the event and will instead be issuing a statement around 10:15 a.m. People who had assembled for the press conference were ushered out of the room, and the chairs and setting were dismantled.

Mitt must be talking to a weather vane to see which way the wind is blowing. :lol:

Aquagirl

September 12th, 2012
10:13 am

Obama foreign policy (lead from behind aka be weak) does not look very effective at all.

Jm, if you want to police the world, I’ll reiterate someone’s earlier statement…the recruiting station is ready when you are.

Or maybe we can impress our military members for life so they never set foot on American soil again because you advocate someone else go out there and defend your outraged pen!$.

I’m betting you pick option B. Option “C” where we elect someone with a magical mind control machine isn’t really on the table, except in Crazyland. Which is where a lot of war hawks reside.

Common Sense

September 12th, 2012
10:13 am

“wow – I didn’t know that you are privy to Obama’s daily schedule …”

Didn’t have to be. It’s been made public.

Mary Elizabeth

September 12th, 2012
10:13 am

These remarks are from a leader of a political party that has tried (and been successful, at times) to spin truth as it has desired truth to be perceived by an unaware public, not as truth actually is. I predict that the American people will see through this despicable political tactic. Enough of Republican political warping of the truth.
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Here are President Obama’s words (given at the DNC last week) regarding his role as Commander-in-Chief, as he sees that role:

“As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm’s way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.”

Common Sense

September 12th, 2012
10:14 am

“Jm, if you want to police the world, I’ll reiterate someone’s earlier statement…the recruiting station is ready when you are. ”

Half in half out is worse than all in or all out.

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:14 am

And maybe Obama should work on fixing the deficit and economy instead of learning to play cards.

Because an America with a weak domestic economy cannot be a strong proponent of freedom abroad.

TaxPayer

September 12th, 2012
10:15 am

I didn’t know that you are privy to Obama’s daily schedule …

You never know. Someone has to be there to hold his golf balls.

SGslider

September 12th, 2012
10:15 am

Chhom, boys, we got em right where we want em, dont we? Choom Choom . . . Lemme get out from under this desk, er, golf cart, er . . . somebody go get the secretary of state to say something . . .

Mr. Snarky

September 12th, 2012
10:16 am

Not surprised one bit. Romney will sell his soul to win and just like McCain, it will fail.

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:16 am

If Romney won’t run his campaign by checking facts, why should we expect him to base his foreign policy on checking facts?

Ahem

September 12th, 2012
10:17 am

BLAH-BLAH-BLAH. Same old song and dance, day in and day out. Right hits left and left hits right. Everyone here knows darn well that if the incumbent president was from the other party the same would have been said by the challenger. Get a grip on reality folks. It’s politics.

But now we should all show sympathy for th eporr ol’ hapless Democrat Party. My guess is that Biden was in charge of the film selection. It is the most plausible explanation.

Russian ships displayed at DNC tribute to vets

On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.

But there was a big mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships.

While retired Adm. John Nathman, a former commander of Fleet Forces Command, honored vets as America’s best, the ships from the Russian Federation Navy were arrayed like sentinels on the big screen above.

These were the very Soviet-era combatants that Nathman and Cold Warriors like him had once squared off against.

“The ships are definitely Russian,” said noted naval author Norman Polmar after reviewing hi-resolution photos from the event. “There’s no question of that in my mind.”

Naval experts concluded the background was a photo composite of Russian ships that were overflown by what appear to be U.S. trainer jets. It remains unclear how or why the Democratic Party used what’s believed to be images of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at their convention.

A spokesman for the Democratic National Convention Committee was not able to immediately comment Tuesday, saying he had to track down personnel to find out what had happened.

TaxPayer

September 12th, 2012
10:18 am

If we intercept Sheldon Adelson’s messages, we can probably predict what Mitt’s response will be before he even knows.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Would Romney be the liar in chief? or the Bully in Chief? or the Thug in Chief? or the Rich Guy without a clue in chief?

rightwing troll

September 12th, 2012
10:20 am

“Things do not seem to be going well at all in the ME, in particular in Egypt which has a population of 80 million

Iran plugs along

Russia is undermining us across the globe

And in Asia, Japan and China seem inclined to resort to military means over a couple of islands

Obama foreign policy (lead from behind aka be weak) does not look very effective at all.”

Maybe you could tell us all how you and Mittens would handle any of these situations any differently, and what you expect the outcome would be? If you want us to vote for Mittens, you have to tell us what he would do differently, and how that would be better.

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:20 am

TaxPayer

“Does the Book of Mormon include the Ten Commandments.”

Were you namejacked?

But in answer to your question, a quick look at Googly seems to indicate ‘no, but the Sermon on the Mount is.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/12?lang=eng

Kat

September 12th, 2012
10:21 am

Mitt is disgusting and can’t even talk about this region and what is needed in diplomacy…he will suck as a commander in chief. He is politsizinf the deaths of four Americans.

JamVet

September 12th, 2012
10:21 am

These Republicans like Newt, Olens and Reince are depraved liars. In the very best tradition of the real RNC head – Rush Limbaugh.

How ironic that these professional prevaricators use the exact same tactics that the Islamic barbarians do – make up scandalous and malicious lies to inflame their already rabid base.

They should be arrested, detained in perpetuity, never formally charged and forever denied access to counsel.

They are national security threats, donchaknow!

And Jm and his pals here put their fingers in their ears and dance away to some other topic as they prepares to vote for that spineless piece of ____ from Massachusetts…

getalife

September 12th, 2012
10:23 am

He is sticking ti his sick attack on our President.

Pathetic.

The media is blasting him.

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:23 am

And if they attack us again, Obama will give them a very stern lecture.

Rockfish

September 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Obozo’s college roomate stated that Obozo is a devout muslim. We should send a barage of missiles as our response. Mitt is spot on.

Ben Shockley

September 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Obama, like all liberals, thinks the United States is loathsome and thinks other countries (especially the muslim ones) have every reason to hate us.

Romney’s assertion is correct.

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Back on topic.

Hasn’t it occurred to those who buy into the Right’s rhetoric that the first statement “as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”

and the second “The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others”

is a direct slap on Muslim radicals and the governments who condone them?

barking frog

September 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Romney was wrong to make
this statement. Politics does
not justify everything.

Doggone/GA

September 12th, 2012
10:25 am

My bet is that IF he apologizes at all it will be a “non-apology apology”

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:25 am

Almost the perfect mirror for the Carter administration.

Brosephus™

September 12th, 2012
10:26 am

This is nothing short of pure jackassery of the most vile vintage. The fact that anybody would try to justify this completely flawed logic should have their head examined for missing colon parts.

For a presidential candidate to push such bull, he should be called out for the liar he is. Instead, we will endure contortions of

Ahem

September 12th, 2012
10:26 am

Wednesday, September 12, 2012

The president received a modest convention bounce, but that’s now gone.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows President Obama attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns 45% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

The president received a modest convention bounce, but that’s now gone. On the day the conventions began, Obama was up by two points. Now the numbers are essentially back to that starting point with the president leading by a point. See daily tracking history.

When “leaners” are included, it’s Romney 48% and Obama 47%. Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either candidate but express a preference for one of them in a follow-up question.

(For those that will dismiss Rasmussen out of hand, please refer to the following link)
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the-list-which-presidential-polls-were-most-accurate/

Lord Help Us

September 12th, 2012
10:26 am

The RNC and Romney campaign see this as a political opportunity to be exploited. Telling that it was their first instinct.

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:27 am

“And if they attack us again, Obama will give them a very stern lecture.”

Okay, ragnar, since you won’t come right out and say what you think, but would rather post general comments to provoke and elicit a response so you can have attention, just what response should the US do?

Before you say “cut off all aid” you may want to investigate if that would be counterproductive to US interests. Which is why we may see a move to reduce, but not eliminate, it.

JamVet

September 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Ben, Air Iran is ready when you are.

You’ll be in good company there…

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 12th, 2012
10:28 am

“Didn’t have to be. It’s been made public.”

no, it’s been ASSERTED by a shadow-y “investigative” group that doesn’t say who they are or how they’re funded, then REPEATED by Marc Theissen

oh, yeah … THAT’S trustworthy

kayaker 71

September 12th, 2012
10:28 am

These goons don’t fear us. They know we will do nothing in retaliation because we are so politically correct and afraid of hurting someone’s feelings, we just issue meaningless platitudes when we should be issuing ultimatums with lines in the sand. These Muslim fanatics understand one thing….. power and the ability to use it. There comes a time when it’s time to stop taking this crap from a bunch of religious zealots intent on destroying the Great Satan. It is surprising how much their resolve disappears when they fear for their lives and the consequences of their actions. Gadaffi is a great example.

Brosephus™

September 12th, 2012
10:28 am

Oops…. contortions of epic proportions by his defending sheeple.

TaxPayer

September 12th, 2012
10:28 am

Were you namejacked?

No. Not being a Mormon though, I was just wondering if Mormons were constrained by that “not bearing false witness thingy”.

Jay

September 12th, 2012
10:28 am

UPDATE above.

liz

September 12th, 2012
10:29 am

religion is the root of all evil.

getalife

September 12th, 2012
10:29 am

The 3 am alarm went off, romney freaks out and blames American leadership.

A disgusting traitor.

barking frog

September 12th, 2012
10:29 am

The right of free speech
allows and encourages
individuals to point out
the fallacies or praise any
religion. The US Government
does not have this right.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 12th, 2012
10:30 am

“And if they attack us again, Obama will give them a very stern lecture.”

so, let’s see … he’s wrong for having troops in Afghanistan … he’s wrong for using drones … AND he’s weak.

gottit.

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:30 am

rockfish

“We should send a barage of missiles as our response.”

What are the specific targets?

Ben

“like all liberals, thinks”

You’re repeating the same style from one thread to the next.

Have any original thoughts?

DannyX

September 12th, 2012
10:31 am

I’m sure Romney’s 5 sons will be headed off to the recruitment office any minute now.

Loaf

September 12th, 2012
10:31 am

How much more lies can Romney spit outta his mouth? It is plainly obvious that he will say ANYTHING to get elected. How can he be trusted by either party? Is he really the best the Republican’t could come up with? What a joke.

Julia

September 12th, 2012
10:31 am

Romney is so desperate to win he will say just about anything, and has. As far as i am concerned Romney is a booger eating moron with questionable ethics. Apparently the only things he holds in high esteem are that snooty wife, his magic undies and amassing a great fortune.

Rockfish

September 12th, 2012
10:32 am

getalife: He is not my president!

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Rockfish -”Obozo’s college roomate stated that Obozo is a devout muslim. We should send a barage of missiles as our response. Mitt is spot on.”

Great, just get the coordinates of the actuall people who stormed the embassy and we’re on. Or, are simply advocating a carpet bombing campaign werin everyone is a target?

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:32 am

” We should send a barage of missiles as our response. ”

Dumb idea. And Mitt didn’t suggest that.

Sarah

September 12th, 2012
10:32 am

I thank the light that this is an opinion blog. Of course, as I say that, I realize that most of the readers are probably sheep, and believe it fact……

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:32 am

Dear Paul @ 10:27, fair question. The loathsome Bill Clinton at least had the yarbles to loft an occasional bomb at the enemies. The attacks on the embassies in Libya and Egypt may have been a good time to use predators on the mobs.

As to your suggestion on cutting off the money, why would we cease giving money to governments who tolerate attacks on our embassies?

Jay

September 12th, 2012
10:33 am

Seriously, there is no way to defend this blunder based on the clear facts of the case. It’s going to be interesting to see who in the media and in politics nonetheless attempts to do so.

Ben Shockley

September 12th, 2012
10:33 am

“religion is the root of all evil.”

Gee liz…Barack Obama claims to be a Christian, attended Christian churches, and has stated hat he accepts Jesus Christ as his Savior. I guess Obama is evil too????

Holy Moly!

September 12th, 2012
10:33 am

Sheeee’s baaack:

Sarah Palin also weighed in on her Facebook page, beginning her remarks by saying “apparently President Obama can’t see Egypt and Libya from his house.”

“On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks ever perpetrated on America, our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi were attacked by violent Islamic mobs,” she said.

“The Islamic radicals claim that these attacks are in protest to some film criticizing Islam. In response to this, the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued a statement that was so outrageous many of us thought it must be a satire,” she added. “The embassy actually apologized to the violent mob attacking us, and it even went so far as to chastise those who use free speech to ‘hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.’”

Addressing Obama, Palin asked “How’s that Arab Spring working out for us now?”

“It’s about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists,” she said.

Romney is sliding fast – and take the republican party with you please!

JamVet

September 12th, 2012
10:33 am

How ANY American veteran could vote for that pusillanimous (since willie liked it so much!) pig, Mitt “I’ll say ANYTHING to get a few more votes” Romney, is beyond me.

A disgusting traitor.

getalife, as Supertramp sang, “It’s hard not to agree..”

Jhunt163

September 12th, 2012
10:34 am

“ the U.S. embassy in Cairo tries to calm things Tuesday morning with a statement “

So you are saying this was not the first official US response???

“In the actual first U.S. response to the attacks, released about the same time as the Romney statement”

So in other words Romney was correct in his assessment. If the second response was given at the same time, he had no way of knowing they had updated it.

Simple Truths

September 12th, 2012
10:34 am

Look at what Jay wrote downstairs in a comment:

What we have over there are fools eager to overreact to the slightest provocation.

And we have some right here at home equally eager to do the same thing.

Looks like Jay is among the eager now!

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:34 am

TaxPayer

The desire to win in politics does strange things to people. That aspect has troubled me, also, but I keep telling myself it’s more an indication of his character than it is an indication of his religion. Faiths set the standards to aspire to. Whether the adherents meet that standard is more a reflection of their own place in their journey than it is about the efficacy of the religion.

Dunwoody Granny

September 12th, 2012
10:35 am

Truthiness worked on the “You didn’t build that” matter. The R base will certainly believe the idea Obama sympathizes with the attackers; they still believe he’s Muslim himself. (We all know religion is genetic.) What the Rs hope is that if they say it often enough, loudly enough, they can propel a few outside the base to go to the polls in disgust at Obama despite their lack of enthusiasm for Mitt.

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:35 am

“Romney is so desperate to win he will say just about anything, and has. As far as i am concerned Romney is a booger eating moron with questionable ethics. Apparently the only things he holds in high esteem are that snooty wife, his magic undies and amassing a great fortune.”

Translation: “my favorite drink is Kool Aid”

Butch Cassidy (I)

September 12th, 2012
10:35 am

kayaker 71 – “These goons don’t fear us. They know we will do nothing in retaliation”

Not so fast. Obama may decide to follow the Bush playbook and invade Mexico in response.

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:35 am

The Reaganesque response to mere treats against an embassy would be “swift retribution.” I think we can safely assume the Obama regime would not take such a course.

getalife

September 12th, 2012
10:35 am

“getalife: He is not my president!”

Please leave then.

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:36 am

@ 10:35, “treats” should have been “threats.” Treats may have been right, too.

Newby

September 12th, 2012
10:36 am

“The charge that an American president sympathizes with those who attacked this country should not be made easily. In fact, under the circumstances it is a charge that should not have been made at all.”

Serious question for right-leaning posters: Does this give you confidence that Romney would mane a good President? Does this give you any apprehension at all about his qualifications? (Plz – no “but Obama…” responses – just your hinest opinion).

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:37 am

Jay – the update

“He is simply wrong on this. Wrong factually, wrong politically, wrong as a matter of simple decency. He has bungled this badly, and is doubling down on the bungle.”

I have to give heavy weight this is the logical outcome of selecting the same the foreign policy advisors Pres Bush either dismissed or marginalized.

The idea they could again be advising and pushing a president is cause for grave concern.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

September 12th, 2012
10:37 am

Jay,

I don’t really care what Obama or Romney said and think that is irrelevant except to those red and blue sheepish blinded followers of either party to have more negative fodder..

I see the real issue as a foreign policy that has failed in its simple, alledged objective…to improve our image among other countries…in other words, trying to be everything to everybody..the balance of the Middle East excepting a few minor players have and still hate us..all the trillions spent in Iraq and Afghanistan are wasted since we got no oil payback from Iraq and Afghanistan is surging back to old Taliban ways…

Until we decide that we need to keep our noses out of other countries tents as opposed to feeling like we need to evangelically spread the democracy thing like a baptist TV show, nothing will change…

Rockfish

September 12th, 2012
10:37 am

Barack Obama claims to be a Christian, attended Christian churches, and has stated hat he accepts Jesus Christ as his Savior. I guess Obama is evil too????

This quote is so naive. The koran says is is prefectly ok to lie and use whatever means to “infiltrate” the infidels so that those who will not convert can be slaughtered.

Wake up folks–it is happening before your very eyes.

rightwingextreme

September 12th, 2012
10:37 am

“The Audacity of Hope” [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Sounds to me like he’s gonna side with the Muslims if it gets ugly.

JamVet

September 12th, 2012
10:37 am

The loathsome Bill Clinton at least had the yarbles to loft an occasional bomb at the enemies.

For the “forgetful” and addled here, he ended genocide in Europe, by destroying the murderous (primarily Islamic) thugs who sat up on those ridges and slaughtered innocent men, women and children by the tens of thousands. Not that you compassionate conservatives give a flying ___ about any of them.

He lost ZERO American lives in the process.

The anti-George W. Bush and the anti-neocon…

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:39 am

Good morning JamVet @ 10:37, perhaps we can agree that Obama’s response has been somewhat less substantive than was that of the Horndog?

Michael

September 12th, 2012
10:39 am

According to the news reports I saw this morning (primarily CSPAN) the situation began when an Israeli-American film maker financed by a right wing preacher made a film insulting Mohammed and released it on the internet. As they well knew, the response by Muslims would be outrage and probably violence. Their free speech is protected, but the blood of the dead diplomats is also on their hands.
This does not forgive the violent actions by some Libyans, but it does show how the religious zealots on both sides can create chaos. Hopefully, this will stimulate Egypt and Libya to recognize their obligations to provide better security. The US has already sent marines to reinforce our own security, but our homegrown zealots should stop making their job more difficult.

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:40 am

Obama 2008 – “we need to unconditionally engage Iran and North Korea” (I paraphrase)

Foreign policy is also part of the political game, like it or not

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

September 12th, 2012
10:40 am

“The koran says is is prefectly ok to lie and use whatever means to “infiltrate” the infidels so that those who will not convert can be slaughtered. ”

and the bible says the same – it says non-believers should be killed, as well –

so, I’ll wait for you to start condemning christians now …

Mike

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

In what context was Romney’s statement made. Can we have the whole quote please?

liz

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

It’s way past time to get God out of government.

rightwingextreme

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

excerpt from his apology tour in Turkey

We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country……

ragnar danneskjold

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

I think even our leftist friends may be able to see the disadvantages of “leading from behind.” Looks cowardly to the bad guys. Suppose we should now expect a Paul Shanklin rewrite of “Coward of the County” to analyze the Obama foreign policy.

Ben Shockley

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

JamVet @ 10:37…

He also killed 80-some innocent Americans at the Branch davidian compund in Waco, TX. Don’t forget about that.

Newby

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

Rockfish

September 12th, 2012
10:32 am

“getalife: He is not my president!”

Then you are not an American.

Paul

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

ragnar

“The attacks on the embassies in Libya and Egypt may have been a good time to use predators on the mobs.”

Do you see how that would play right into the radicals’ hands? “Muslims defend Islam against slander, Americans kill them with Hellfire missiles”

“As to your suggestion on cutting off the money, why would we cease giving money to governments who tolerate attacks on our embassies?”

Wasn’t a suggestion, was noted as a likely course of action, to be initiated by the Republican House, who will argue funds not directly related to the welfare of the people should be eliminated.

Jm

September 12th, 2012
10:41 am

Obama foreign policy: poppycock