Romney claims Obama sympathizes with attack on U.S.
UPDATE 10:20: In a press conference, Romney just claimed that “it is never too early to condemn” attacks on U.S. personnel. Apparently, “never too early” means condemning the attacks before they have even occurred. He also made it pretty clear that no apology for his statements will be forthcoming.
He is simply wrong on this. Wrong factually, wrong politically, wrong as a matter of simple decency. He has bungled this badly, and is doubling down on the bungle.
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With four American diplomats dead in Libya, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the United States has in effect come under attack overseas. The response of the Mitt Romney campaign has been to accuse the Obama administration of sympathizing with the attackers.
That charge is grotesque. It is also factually incorrect. It can be made correct only by going back in time and rearranging events to suit the Romney narrative, and that is not going to happen. Let’s take a look at how the tragic events in question played out:
1.) Alarmed at reports of rising anger in Egypt over an anti-Islamic film made in the United States, the U.S. embassy in Cairo tries to calm things Tuesday morning with a statement in which it “condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims—as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”
2.) Hours AFTER that statement is released, as the Wall Street Journal reports, protesters in Cairo breach the walls of the embassy and pull down the American flag.
3.) Attacks in Libya — also launched well AFTER the embassy statement — end in the tragic death of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador. They died in service to our country.
4.) Romney quickly puts out a statement calling it “disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”
5.) In the actual first U.S. response to the attacks, released about the same time as the Romney statement, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemns the violence in no uncertain terms:
“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”
The charge that an American president sympathizes with those who attacked this country should not be made easily. In fact, under the circumstances it is a charge that should not have been made at all. It would seem to me that an apology is in order from former Gov. Romney, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus, Georgia Attorney General Sam Olens and others who made such an unfounded charge at such a delicate time.
– Jay Bookman
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Get Real
September 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
Jammie….I wondered what that humming was, not to mention the laser dots on my head….good one
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
Adam:
“Not that I think thsi (sic) will persuade YOU, Scout, but hopefully some people in here got an education that the ASSUMPTION that the right to bear arms was put in as a “Get out of Government Free” card is ridiculous.”
You ignore the clear reading of the Supreme Court decision on the meaning and reason for the 2nd Amendment put there by our founding fathers who had just risked their lives, fortunes and sacred honor in a treasonous rebellion against the King …………….. but that is your choice.
Your real disagreement is with them …………
TaxPayer
September 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
“Today many Americans are asking — indeed, I ask myself — how could this happen,” Clinton said. “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction. This question reflects just how complicated, and at times how confounding, the world can be. But we must be clear-eyed even in our grief: This was an attack by a small and savage group, not the people or the government of Libya.”
Of course, Mitt Gekko Romney just views it as an opportunity that cannot go to waste when there is potential political capital to claim.
USA Patriot
September 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
Jay, what exactly did Romney do that was sooooo offensive? Seems to me he’s absolutely correct in condemning an apology from this administration (yes, the state department IS this administration) for an American excercising his/her rights! This administration doesn’t have the gonnads to defend OUR constitutional rights, but will bow the the maniacs in the middle east! Jeeezzzzz!
The Truth
September 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
Reince Priebus? Isn’t he the guy that got owned by Chris Matthews on MSNBC when he called him out on his and Mitt Romney’s LIE regarding the Welfare work requirement? What a loser…
JKL2
September 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
holy moly- I’m liberal and have skin in the game in the form of my only son. While in the Army, he saw Iraq three times.
Thanks for his service. I’m voting for the guy who is going to stand up and protect me anywhere in the world. The clown who dosn’t want to hurt the feelings of those killing our citizens can take a hike.
Do you want your son protected by the weight of the greatest fighting force the world has ever known, or is harsh language good enough for you?
Towncrier
September 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
“The progressive solution: “ignore reality that radical Islam will never change not matter how nice you are”
It should be obvious to almost anyone that “appeasement” doesn’t work. Ask any parent with a unruly 2 year old that has been throwing temper tantrums.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
Seems to me that most, if not all the committed GOP electorate will simply use this allegation as further mantra to question Obama’s leadership…which is highly suspect to be sure.
Romney will not lose votes..
Heck the GOP has that whole God thing going, how could they possibly let a good crisis go to waste? Both parties get in on that action…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
Okay, everyone… time for something else. Doom has done said this is a “sideshow and distraction.”
Tell us, why did Mitt make a comment about Obama rather that just denouncing the attacks and praying for the family?
So Doom, tell us what the reaction should be from Obama… are you going “nuke ‘em” like some of the other fakepatriots?
DannyX
September 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
Conservative foreign policy:
After a Republican leaves office the world is so relieved that the new president gets a Nobel Peace Prize just for getting inaugurated.
US citizens traveling out of the country while a Republican is president need to lie and tell people they are Canadian.
Shock and Awe, baby!!!
getalife
September 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
“Stop attacking Romney
Where’s your patriotism libs.”
That made me laugh.
Thanks
Ahem
September 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
Instead of getting sucked into yet another vortex of intentional mischaracterization foisted by Jay Bookman and the media why not ask yourself the following question:
Why would a self-proclaimed unifier and alleged man of great intelligence and compassion write such words as the following about his own grandfather? Talk about a breach of character.
“My image of Onyango, faint as it was, had always been of an autocratic man—a cruel man, perhaps. But I had also imagined him an independent man, a man of his people, opposed to white rule… What Granny had told us scrambled that image completely, causing ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House n-g-er.”
In one of the most remarkable passages in Barack Obama’s “Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance,” he uses the terms “collaborator,” “Uncle Tom,” and “House ni-g-r” to describe someone he detests. That someone, it turns out, is his own grandfather!
JamVet
September 12th, 2012
1:25 pm
OBL tracked down and shot between the eyes.
Drones killing dozens of thugs around the Islamic world.
American support in taking out the Libyan leadership.
And YOU say the administration is ignoring radical Islam???
What is wrong with you?
DannyX
September 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
“It should be obvious to almost anyone that “appeasement” doesn’t work”
What over-reaction should the US take?
Are Republicans willing to fight and pay for the over-reaction this time?
Billybob
September 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
liberal political hack in full display jay, romney did nothing of the sort……this is why your ilk are in the process of losing power in this country for a long time…..i read what the embassy said and i heard what romney said and your version of events is completely manipulated….. blogs like this show how the only thing more important than gaining power to leftists is figuring our how to keep that power through all means necessary(political, media, print)…..keep talking, you make it easy lib
WAW
September 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
I couldn’t bring myself to read all the BS you right wingers are spouting this morning… You guys join Mitt, Newt and all the others and on September 11, 2012 clasp the outstretched hand from September 11, 2001 that Cynthia McKinney offers. You have found your equal opposite. Congratulations you have shown your true colors and they are not Red, White and Blue.
Towncrier
September 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Today many Americans are asking — indeed, I ask myself — how could this happen,” Clinton said. “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction. This question reflects just how complicated, and at times how confounding, the world can be. ”
Wow…that statement speaks VOLUMES and reveals a fundamental ignorance of human nature – a characterization that has not infrequently been leveled at liberals (but probably applies to a whole lot of people on both sides of the isle).
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
TAXPAYER,
It happens because our money and evanglical democracy spreading do not equate to an enhanced opinion in the middle east or elsewhere..I recall Obama and his minions in 2008 claiming that he would improve our image abroad…seems like the opposite is more apparent….China, Russia, Isreal, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq…etcetera..what has improved?
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
The time line on this is classic.
Obama steps in it by letting a sypathetic-to-the-bad-guys response get out. His minders immediately realize the magnitude of the blunder, and fire off DNC-approved talking points, attacking Romney, which Bookman et al immediately start to parrot. Them we gt increasingly tough words (not action, just words) from Hillary and then Barack.
Obama vows that the perps will be brought to justice. My guess is he will follow up on those words in OJ Simpson fashion, i.e. actively seeking out the perps on golf courses all over America.
Brosephus™
September 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
Now, aside from the crass and impulsive political actions by Romney, I don’t think it can be denied the Embassy statement is problematic
If you were in the same situation, would you try to calm the people outside the fence that want your head on a platter, or would you wait on someone half a world away in DC to try to calm them down for you? Self preservation of life knows no political ideology.
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how and why did this happen and what is President Obama going to do about it.
Seems that an Israeli-American made a film that he knew was going to stir upo sh*t. He released clips of the film, turned on the oscillating wind generator, flung fecal matter at said generator, and then went into hiding like a f**king coward.
Obama’s sent Marines over to help secure the Embassies. At this point, I’m not too sure of what more can be done until there can be more intelligence brought to light.
Frederick Douglass
September 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
By the time the debates roll around, Romney’ll be so marginalized that the RNC may as well send in a CD player and an empty chair to rebutt Obama.
Butch Cassidy (I)
September 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
USA Patriot – “what exactly did Romney do that was sooooo offensive?”
Ask the Republicans, they’re running from it faster than Romney can etch a sketch.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
The drones have been monitoring aq in eastern Libya and Libya’s government shut down training camps there. They will bomb them today.
Is that appeasement cons?
As usual, you are dead wrong.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
1:29 pm
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
My family did that one time and lost.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
JAMVET,
And what exactly is our return on the investment for all these grand accomplishments?
The answer is ZERO…in fact, they all, including our alledged great ally in the middle east, have a much lower opinion that ever…we get oil, thanks, financial payback, change in hatred for all things US?
Towncrier
September 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
“What over-reaction should the US take?”
Who said anything about an “over-reaction” (besides you)? Again, appeasement (for instance, the Embassy statement) doesn’t work. Know your “enemy” (or the ones that oppose you) and understand unchanging human nature.
Thulsa Doom
September 12th, 2012
1:31 pm
“Today many Americans are asking — indeed, I ask myself — how could this happen,” Clinton said.
Very simple Mr. President. They hate us and everything we stand for and they always will. And if liberals think we can mollify them by playing nice then they are sadly mistaken. Whether its a con or lib president these folks hate us. And while President Clinton may point to this as being a small band of savages he completely ignores the fact that the national police and army stood by and did not a damn thing. It is not a small group of people when the govt and police stand by and let it happen.
Jay
September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
I’m still shaking my head at Romney’s decision to double-down on this mess. At the very moment he should have whipped out his Etch-a-Sketch, he reached instead for a hammer and a chisel.
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
Bookman, question for you and your liberal parrots;
If this election is in the bag, a slam dunk for Obama, as you all claim it to be, why is Romney even relevant? Why spend the day attacking and discrditing a guy with no chance of ever seeing the inside of he White House?
I would think it more useful to discuss the seriousness of the incident, the actions of the Obama administration that led up to it, and the response by the Obama administration.
Oh wait…..actually examining Obama and his policies/actions on their own merit…..DNC handlers make sure that NEVER happens, at all costs……
Never mind………………………………………
Billybob
September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
fred doug,
i love watching libs project their own….thanks for describibing obama…..his own words do this to him and i hope you enjoy nov
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
Jm
September 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
Stop attacking Romney
Where’s your patriotism libs.
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.
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Right in the spot yours isn’t.
TaxPayer
September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
Why would a self-proclaimed unifier and alleged man of great intelligence and compassion write such words as the following about his own grandfather? Talk about a
breachman of character.GT
September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
When you never change a position you are forced to represent a losing side around 50% of the time. That is why compromise is so valuable. Some get such glee at winning that they tend to start their own scoring system. I find Jay will listen to logic left or right if it is presented correctly, backed with facts. If we use facts many times two parties can come up with the same forgone conclusions, but if we do not desire to agree then facts have to be made up to disagree. So if Jay uses the true facts and the other party can not make those facts work for his argument and makes up his facts, Jay win more than the 50% which he does here quit often.
F. Sinkwich
September 12th, 2012
1:33 pm
The Mittster speaks the irrefutable truth about O’bozo’s islamo-appeasement foreign policy and the lib ilks go berserk.
How dare Romney question policies devinely advanced by our great leader! How dare he be upset about an act of war by our enemies!
These events happened on O’bozo’s watch, therefore whatever action taken before, during, and after are off limits to any and all dissent.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
1:34 pm
BRO,
What does it matter? Our investments in all those countries have or will backfire (see Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya…..true to form, our elected ones have no respect for us or our tax dollars..
Basically, they all hate us more….and I don’t think they give a rats patootie about our grand “condemnations”..which carry no weight with offenders….simply source of political musings…
getalife
September 12th, 2012
1:34 pm
Libyans don’t hate us. aq does the violence.
Perhaps you cons should do some research, show some humility, apologize for being dead wrong all the time and let our leaders deal with the situation.
Show some patriotism for a change.
Madmax
September 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
Romney quickly puts out a statement calling it “disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”
Actually, I believe it was late last night when he made this charge because the Obama administration had not issued a response. That was closely followed by a muddled response from Hillary when they realized that it didn’t look like they were paying attention.
The timing of when the statement was released by the Cairo embassy is irrelevant as it plays conforms to Obama’s “let’s talk and reason with them” form of diplomacy which was followed by the violence. And then the silence until Romney spoke out, so no, I don’t think Romney is wrong for criticizing the Administration on this. They let that statement stand out there after the attack for several hours. That seems apologetic.
Again, where was the intelligence. These attacks seemed coordinated, they were timed and the protests were planned and known about in advance. I would assume that the planned protests would have been in the presidents security briefing. Did Obama or his administration understand the possible threat or did they assume these were like the Occupy protestors and disregarded?
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
“I’m still shaking my head at Romney’s decision to double-down on this mess.”
Is that what Debbie Wasserman Schultz told you to say?
Towncrier
September 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
“If you were in the same situation, would you try to calm the people outside the fence that want your head on a platter, or would you wait on someone half a world away in DC to try to calm them down for you? Self preservation of life knows no political ideology.”
You’re speculating. I am going to look into the independent Embassy statement claim. Communications are instant these day – “half a world away”. But how smart did that turn out to be? Your chances of appeasing an angry mob are next to nil and most educated people should know that.
DannyX
September 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
“Know your “enemy” (or the ones that oppose you) and understand unchanging human nature.”
Let me put another way so your feelings won’t get hurt and you can stop avoiding the question.
What should the American response be?
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
“Seems that an Israeli-American made a film that he knew was going to stir upo sh*t.”
That is a bold allegation! We need more films like this to awaken the world to the kind of religion that will hide this extremism. A peaceful religion. Outlaw sharia law world wide.
JamVet
September 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
As for what “they think of us”, most of that stuff is just concocted BS made up by one group of American partisans to indict the other group of American partisans.
Mr “Coalition of One” Bush – via his state sanctioned torture and other fascistic moves – destroyed our historic international standing as that shining beacon on the hill.
And now our longstanding western allies do not revile us as they did under the last administration, That is demonstrable progress…
H. E. Pennypacker
September 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
I think Herman Cain’s response to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Libya was more impressive than that of Governor Romney’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Ua-LHS3CM
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
Madmax @ 1:35,
That is a very intelligent, reasoned point of view.
Liberals hate that.
Jay
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
How old are you, Ben?
Ten? Maybe eight?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
JAY,
All he and President Trillions care about is getting (re) elected…as we saw with Obama in 2008 and now with Romney….our position in the Middle East has only deteriorated under each successful administration….This will only serve to empower the GOP base…from religious and policy perspective…sad but true…
Adam
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
If this election is in the bag, a slam dunk for Obama, as you all claim it to be, why is Romney even relevant? Why spend the day attacking and discrditing a guy with no chance of ever seeing the inside of he White House?
Translation: OH MY GOD stop talking about how much our candidate SUUUUCKS. (Maybe if I can convince people to stop talking about it, he’ll be more likable).
How about because some of us came from a Republican background and see Romney as an affront to actual Republican values?
And maybe some of us talk about stuff like this for the same reason people talk about the Desperate Housewives: we are entertained by stupidity.
TaxPayer
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
Speaking of cons stupid enough to defend Mitt’s rant, where are Georgia’s Republican representatives to the House. Price and Broun and Westmoreland, et al, surely have some words to share with us.
Brosephus™
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
Why would a self-proclaimed unifier and alleged man of great intelligence and compassion write such words as the following about his own grandfather?
Boy, the easiest way to hide things from some people is simply to put it between the covers of a book. Dude, your cut-n-paste answered your question for you. However, since you have a predetermined answer already figured out, you wouldn’t have seen the real answer if it had bitten you on the ass.
From your own cut-n-paste:
What Granny had told us scrambled that image completely, causing ugly words to flash across my mind.
He thought that about his grandfather because of what was told to him by someone else. Kinda like how some people believe Obama’s Muslim because their friend told them so.
Billybob
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
jay,
honest people realize what you are trying to do and this is why your ilk are going down in nov……another honest statement to a question by romney, like in europe, and the leftist liberal media completely manipulates and tries to makie political points with it……keep it up so i can continue to expose your failed ideology and your lack of honest…..fun stuff
Krystal'sBalls
September 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
Seriously, I have come to determine that Mitt Romney is nothing more than a guy who likes to COLLECT TROPHIES. Current MA Governor Deval Patrick at the DNC convention said something, “If Mitt Romney had been more concerned about education than about (the mere idea) of BEING ‘Governor’…”
THAT is who this guy is. That is why he has been running for POTUS for almost what….10 years??? He only desires to be able to say “I’m President”. I think it validates his “greatness” in his mind. Let’s face it, Mitt has been privileged his entire life, and with that privilege has come a massive ENTITLEMENT complex. Ann said it so clearly, “It’s OUR turn!” What more screams entitlement louder? This is why Mitt feels not the need to talk about his experiences as MA governor; he’s “been there, done that”. On to the next conquest. This is why he was willing to squander $50 MILLION of is own money his last run to run for POTUS. He saved the olypmics, remember? Get that trophy Mitt…at all costs.
F. Sinkwich
September 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
“I’m still shaking my head at Romney’s decision to double-down on this mess. At the very moment he should have whipped out his Etch-a-Sketch, he reached instead for a hammer and a chisel.”
The Mittster must be scoring some points to be offered this advice and attention from DNC mouthpieces like Jay.
If the Mittster was really going down in flames, would lib ilks be offering him advice to reverse himself?
Hmmmmmmmm?
Thulsa Doom
September 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
I’m still shaking my head as to why Jay is more concerned about Romney’s statements as opposed to being concerned with what the President’s response is going to be to the assaults on our nation. That is a far more important matter.
TGT
September 12th, 2012
1:39 pm
Yes Jay, the timeframe is important when assessing the comments of Romney and Olens. (Gingrich and Priebus’ statements are not predicated on any timeline.) I’ve seen a variety of sources that say that the statement in question was issued prior to the flag being torn down. However, it is still unclear exactly what events unfolded prior to the statements release. It seems that it could at least be the case that the protests had already begun, and the U.S. officials could sense the pending escalation, thus the statement was issued. If even this is the case, the U.S. embassy, fearing Muslim outrage, apologized for an exercise of free-speech in the U.S. Outrageous.
As the “Arab Spring” has raged, Christians across these regions have suffered greatly (many have been killed, imprisoned, etc.). Were there U.S. statements (or actions) condemning the “hurt feelings” of Christians?
The problem with such events lies with Islam, not its critics. To even imply otherwise is cowardly.
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:39 pm
“Mr “Coalition of One” Bush – via his state sanctioned torture and other fascistic moves – destroyed our historic international standing as that shining beacon on the hill.”
LMAO at JamVet. I guess all those other muslim attacks on America, the ones that happened BEFORE George W. Bush was ever president (Marine barracks, USS Cole, etc) never happened.
Funny stuff Jammypoo, thanks for sharing.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
JAY,
Debbie Wasserman did look a fool with the ratification of adding God (however defined) to the DEM platform…even you can agree that was one of the most blatant examples of baldfaced lies in the history of baldface lies…the yeah’s have it by a 2/3rd’s majority….
Towncrier
September 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
I will ask this again (to avoid a bit of research):
Does anyone know whether or not Embassies have ever released statements on their own or if that is not an uncommon occurrence?
getalife
September 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
The embassy in Cairo used diplomacy like they do and no violence was done in Cairo.
aq planned the attack in Libya.
Get your facts right before you spew max.
Jay
September 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
A classic, Mr. Pennypacker. Thanks for the levity.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
Look at the direction these people are moving. Watch them move in unison, like lemmings.
“They let that statement stand out there after the attack for several hours. That seems apologetic.”
That “seems” apologetic?
Wow. That’s weak.
Joseph
September 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
I guess Jay completely ignored the memo sent out by the White House last night. They apologized to the terrorists and condemned Romney…
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
Jay
September 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
“How old are you, Ben?
Ten? Maybe eight?”
I’ll be 50 in a few months, thanks for asking.
Nice dodge of my question(s) by the way………………………………
You libs
September 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
Ben
That response to Jam makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
1:42 pm
” because of what was told to him by someone else.”
that is how liberals stay informed, we call it drive-by.
Billybob
September 12th, 2012
1:42 pm
jay
what does media matters an axelrod want you to market next…..?
ragnar danneskjold
September 12th, 2012
1:42 pm
Dear CJ @ 1:03, thanks for reading, I will attempt to explain. Attack on an embassy is an act of war, unless proven otherwise. If a foreign power transports an ambassador to a safe place, then delivers the location to the mob, that is an act of war. Leftists – apologists for evil all over the world – will not acknowledge the obvious.
Welcome to the Occupation
September 12th, 2012
1:42 pm
The boring thing about this forum, frankly, is that to a person everyone – except yours truly of course – believes the important divide is between Democrats and Republicans.
Yawn.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 12th, 2012
1:42 pm
I’ve seen a variety of sources that say that the statement in question was issued prior to the flag being torn down.
I’ve seen a variety of sources that say I will win the Oscar for best director next year.
Holy Moly!
September 12th, 2012
1:42 pm
JK2L – The first time my son got into Iraq, he lost one of his men. This was when they slept in tents, were looking for WMD, and every soldier going over there were shot up with about 30 vaccines thinking they might face chemical weapons. Remember that? I remember well what my son said as he supported Bush “Mom, I have trained for this and I am ready to go.” He was proud and he felt honored to help in that war. Until it came out what the Bush administration did – lie. they lied to the American people, but more importantly they lied to our fighting men and woman. The lives that have been lost in Iraq will never bring back those we lost in 9/11. My son learned first hand what it feels like to be lied to by someone you trust. He now says, never again. And he, like me, will vote for Obama. Lessons learned, never forgotten.
H. E. Pennypacker
September 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
BillyBob,
I hate to break it to you, but connecting a few Glenn Beck like sentence fragments together hardly qualifies as an expose.
Feel free to follow-up with a fact-based and reasoned retort, but I suspect that will not be forthcoming.
Peter
September 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
Jm ………… I guess you are for starting another war then correct ?
jewcowboy
September 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Georgia Attorney General Sam Olens”
Quite the disappointment. I actually voted for Olen’s as I had had dealings with him in the past, and he never came across as partisan. Rather he worked across lines to get things done. Now, after his time ensconced under a gold dome, it seems a darker partisan nature has overtaken his soul.
JKL2
September 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
jay- Even Paul Ryan is refusing to echo Romney’s attack:
Guess he didn’t get your talking pints memo. Maybe you should send it again.
Peadawg
September 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Why spend the day attacking and discrditing a guy with no chance of ever seeing the inside of he White House?”
B/c it’s so easy.
TaxPayer
September 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
China, Russia, Isreal, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq…etcetera..what has improved?
Well, we are not wasting a trillion off the books fighting in the wrong country, Iraq. Our president is instead targeting terrorists and taking them out systematically, etc. That’s an improvement.
Brosephus™
September 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
Basically, they all hate us more….and I don’t think they give a rats patootie about our grand “condemnations”..which carry no weight with offenders
Stevie Ray
How do you account for the number of people from those countries living here as green card holders or naturalized US citizens? How do you account for the number of immigrant visas being applied for by the people in those countries? They all don’t hate us. Their situation is the same as it is here. The most vocal and outspoken take on the perception of speaking for everybody when that is not the case in reality.
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You’re speculating. I am going to look into the independent Embassy statement claim. Communications are instant these day
And you’re speculating too. I have a bit of a working knowledge of how things operate from within the government, so forgive me if I pretend to be a wee bit more knowledgable on these things. Communications may indeed be instant, but running a statement up the chain of command for approval is NOT.
the cat
September 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
Holy Moly! thanks for posting. I know you are proud of your son as you should be.
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:45 pm
You libs
September 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Ben
That response to Jam makes absolutely no sense whatsoever”
Maybe you need a reading comprehension course.
Mr_B
September 12th, 2012
1:45 pm
So I’m guessing that Williebkind is in favor of a global war of annihilation against Islam.
That’s funny. That’s what the Libyan rioters think is going on.
fair and balanced
September 12th, 2012
1:45 pm
Hey folks- the GOP mainstream is ready to tar and feather Mitt for once again showing his incompetence on handling foreign affairs. Go to Huffington Post. Can’t wait until some GOP stalwart does himself a favor and discloses Willard’s tax returns for that one mill reward. What if Romney confessed to a felony on his amnesty request????? Is that high crimes and misdemenaors aas grounds for impeachment?
Jay
September 12th, 2012
1:45 pm
Politico: “Hill GOP leaves Romney out on limb on Libya”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81103.html
Good for them. Out on a limb is precisely where he belongs. Somebody should hand him a saw.
USA Patriot
September 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
Wow JB, Ben’s comment about DWS get under your skin???? Come on out of elementry school and debate.
“I’m still shaking my head at Romney’s decision to double-down on this mess. At the very moment he should have whipped out his Etch-a-Sketch, he reached instead for a hammer and a chisel.” Heck of lot better than bending over like the current administration does!
the cat
September 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
Maybe pizza man will help him out of the tree.
Peadawg
September 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
“Somebody should hand him a saw.”
BAZINGA!
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
“My son learned first hand what it feels like to be lied to by someone you trust.”
Was this realization before he got or after the liberal propagation after he returned home. There were no lies, there may have been bad military intelligence but there were no lies except those you told your son.
ragnar danneskjold
September 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
I am pleased to see that Romney has some backbone. I was afraid he would apologize for his comments – sounds like he might actually stand for something after all. Does not need a friendly mob to divert attention from his positions, in stark contrast to the Leader-From-Behind.
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
“How do you account for the number of people from those countries living here as green card holders or naturalized US citizens? How do you account for the number of immigrant visas being applied for by the people in those countries? They all don’t hate us. Their situation is the same as it is here. The most vocal and outspoken take on the perception of speaking for everybody when that is not the case in reality.”
Maybe you need to research how allowing unchecked muslim immigration into Europe is working out for them, and get back to us on that.
Matti
September 12th, 2012
1:47 pm
Holy Moly,
Yes, like the cat said, thank you for posting. And thank you for raising an awesome son!
Ben Shockley
September 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
“Wow JB, Ben’s comment about DWS get under your skin???? Come on out of elementry school and debate.”
Facts ALWAYS get under JB’s skin.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
I agree Jay.
Not marching lock step and thinking country first is the right move.
We are still at war and blaming America is failed leadership.
ragnar danneskjold
September 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
Dear Jay @ 1:45, you err in your interpretation. Even the wishy-washy leaders of the House GOP are not distancing themselves from Romney. Only democrats are disagreeing with Romney.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
Mr_B
September 12th, 2012
1:45 pm
YES I AM! If you want to kill you daughter because she likes boys tooo bad. Sharia law is bullsh*t!
Brosephus™
September 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
Does anyone know whether or not Embassies have ever released statements on their own or if that is not an uncommon occurrence?
I haven’t seen many instances where Embassies have released statements at all. Then again, it’s not everyday they come under attack by angry mobs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
There were no lies, there may have been bad military intelligence but there were no lies…
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Newby
September 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
Ahem
September 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
Instead of getting sucked into yet another vortex of intentional mischaracterization foisted by Jay Bookman and the media why not ask yourself the following question:
Ahem, I’ll ask you an ON-TOPIC question: Do you think that, in this episode, Romney is showing the leadership skills necessary for an American President?
Billybob
September 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
penny,
my 1:37 shows two facts(europe and today) that the leftist liberal media completely manipulated, so your can throw beck out there as a smoke screen, but doesn’t change what the leftist media continually tries to do…..truth of my words is why you responded……thanks, fun again
You libs
September 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
Ben
You libs
September 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Ben
That response to Jam makes absolutely no sense whatsoever”
Maybe you need a reading comprehension course.
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He speaks about the authorization of torture, the loss of the moral high ground that we had been respected for around the world since our inception, and you talk about attacks that occured before Bush was president. Can you connect those for me?
If not, maybe you should take a writing for comprehension course.
jewcowboy
September 12th, 2012
1:50 pm
“sounds like he might actually stand for something after all.”
Standing for being wrong…how utterly GOP.
Thulsa Doom
September 12th, 2012
1:50 pm
After the apology it looks like the blame America first crowd then made an evolution into the blame Romney first crowd.
You libs
September 12th, 2012
1:50 pm
Or just a comprehension course, period.