Romney claims Obama sympathizes with attack on U.S.
UPDATE 10:20: In a press conference, Romney just claimed that “it is never too early to condemn” attacks on U.S. personnel. Apparently, “never too early” means condemning the attacks before they have even occurred. He also made it pretty clear that no apology for his statements will be forthcoming.
He is simply wrong on this. Wrong factually, wrong politically, wrong as a matter of simple decency. He has bungled this badly, and is doubling down on the bungle.
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With four American diplomats dead in Libya, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the United States has in effect come under attack overseas. The response of the Mitt Romney campaign has been to accuse the Obama administration of sympathizing with the attackers.
That charge is grotesque. It is also factually incorrect. It can be made correct only by going back in time and rearranging events to suit the Romney narrative, and that is not going to happen. Let’s take a look at how the tragic events in question played out:
1.) Alarmed at reports of rising anger in Egypt over an anti-Islamic film made in the United States, the U.S. embassy in Cairo tries to calm things Tuesday morning with a statement in which it “condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims—as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”
2.) Hours AFTER that statement is released, as the Wall Street Journal reports, protesters in Cairo breach the walls of the embassy and pull down the American flag.
3.) Attacks in Libya — also launched well AFTER the embassy statement — end in the tragic death of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador. They died in service to our country.
4.) Romney quickly puts out a statement calling it “disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”
5.) In the actual first U.S. response to the attacks, released about the same time as the Romney statement, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemns the violence in no uncertain terms:
“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”
The charge that an American president sympathizes with those who attacked this country should not be made easily. In fact, under the circumstances it is a charge that should not have been made at all. It would seem to me that an apology is in order from former Gov. Romney, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus, Georgia Attorney General Sam Olens and others who made such an unfounded charge at such a delicate time.
– Jay Bookman
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Goldie
September 12th, 2012
12:18 pm
Romney/Ryan — We’ll Shut The Party Down!
larry
September 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
Tom – “Nice, several 70/80 yr old men sitting around and talking BS, got themselves put in prison for their rants. A couple of them have trouble walking w/o a cane, do you really consider that a threat? You are better than that, Butch?”
As someone who lives only 1 mile from one of the four , the one who was going to make the chemical recine, which, if you inhale a small portion ( the size of a penhead), you are dead, you are damn right i consider that i threat. Its different when its almost in your backyard. The first two guys only recieved five years , which should be more. I hope the other two recieve life. They were a threat.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
Breaking:
Libya attack was planned by aq .
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
the cat
September 12th, 2012
12:11 pm
I cant ask Timothy McVeigh. The government executed him. But his bomb was simple and the matierals were easily available as farming products. However, TM was a young man who wanted to punish the government over Ruby Ridge and Waco I think. Yep where the liberal Attorney General had no patience and killed approximately two dozen kids. Remember Janet Reno. Oh by the way the government lost the Ruby Ridge case but did kill the man’s son. Good ole government gun control.
Jay
September 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
TGT, first, thanks for confirming the importance of the timeframe is assessing this situation.
Second, the USAToday story that you cite — apparently a “live blog” of sorts put together on the fly yesterday — is simply incorrect. Every news outlet I’ve seen this morning that reports on the time frame makes it clear that the embassy statement came several hours before the embassy was overrun. That includes the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post and ABC.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
“Real Americans are united to bring these murderers to justice.”
Real Americans work to keep murders like this from happening instead of appeasement diplomacy.
saywhat?
September 12th, 2012
12:20 pm
ragnar danneskjold
September 12th, 2012
10:58 am
“One perceives that the leftists intend to conceal Fearless Leader’s cowardice by criticizing the political opposition.”
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And the many perceive that the right wingnuts intend to conceal their own cowardice and ignorance by criticizing the political opposition.
the cat
September 12th, 2012
12:20 pm
It is farmers and their potential bomb making materials causing one to provide id and sign for what was once an over the counter drug, Sudafed.
I find it shameful anyone would make light of old geezer tea partiers and their meanness egged on by each other and their toothless base.
paulo977
September 12th, 2012
12:20 pm
Mary E….But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease.
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This is the vision that has been sorely lacking in previous administrations when foolhardy invasions were undertaken to solve problematic situations . This is reasoned analysis of the causes of protest
and a strategy of diplomacy and discussion to arrive at solutions in the move towards global brotherhood
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
Goldie
September 12th, 2012
12:18 pm
Can you imagine all the conservatives in your party. They will invade it like the communists did.
the cat
September 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
larry-exactly. They were a threat.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
I apologize for my earlier post insinuating that the State Department should establish a Bureau of Muslim Sensitivities.”
It’s already in place and known as NASA.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:22 pm
Intell had chatter on a attack in Libya by aq.
Get Real
September 12th, 2012
12:23 pm
I read the State Department’s official message Jay, it was very weak and did in fact sympathize with the attackers…at the very end the statement indicated that regardless it did not justify violence but it was still a very wimpy response to this horrible situation. Jay, when are you going to realize that Obama is simply a weak leader and has no business being President….no need to answer as I realize the factual response from you would be “never”…
lynnie gal
September 12th, 2012
12:23 pm
Even more proof that Romney is not fit to be president. These are dangerous times in the middle east and Romney has proved himself to be a goof on foreign policy. OBAMA 2012!
saywhat?
September 12th, 2012
12:23 pm
Jay- “Every news outlet I’ve seen this morning that reports on the time frame makes it clear that the embassy statement came several hours before the embassy was overrun. That includes the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post and ABC.”
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Jay needs to stop relying on the lame stream media for his so called facts and learn to trust reliable sources like drudge, fox, Limbaugh, daily caller, red state, free republic , town hall,etc.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:24 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
LOL
You libs
September 12th, 2012
12:24 pm
Soon, Diebold is going to be their only hope.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 12th, 2012
12:24 pm
Mitt goes to battle for the first time and shoots himself in the foot.
Mark Halperin:
“Unless the Romney campaign has gamed this crisis out in some manner completely invisible to the Gang of 500, his doubling down on criticism of the President for the statement coming out of Cairo is likely to be seen as one of the most craven and ill-advised tactical moves in this entire campaign.”
Politico:
“Over the top: Yesterday we noted that Mitt Romney, down in the polls after the convention, was throwing the kitchen sink at President Obama. Little did we know the kitchen sink would include — on the anniversary of 9/11 — one of the most over-the-top and (it turns out) incorrect attacks of the general election campaign.”
Tweet From National Journal:
“A ham-handed and inaccurate response from Romney. There is a reason why politix stops at water’s edge.”
Salon:
“That it’s fundamentally dishonest hasn’t stopped Mitt Romney from repeating his central critique of Barack Obama’s foreign policy over and over – the idea that the president “went around the world and apologized for America.” So it shouldn’t be surprising that Romney’s response to the attacks on U.S. diplomatic installations in Egypt and Libya was rooted in the same caricature of Obama as apologizer-in-chief.
“It’s disgraceful,” Romney’s statement, which was released late Tuesday night, read, “that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”
Buzzfeed:
“Foreign Policy Hands Voice Disbelief At Romney Cairo Statement”
“Mitt Romney’s sharply-worded attack on President Obama over a pair of
deadly riots in Muslim countries last night has backfired badly among
foreign policy hands of both parties, who cast it as hasty and off-key,
released before the facts were clear at what has become a moment of
tragedy.”
H/T to Kos
And he lost the Nooner earlier…..
Goldie
September 12th, 2012
12:24 pm
“Real Americans work to keep murders like this from happening”
Yeah, you mean like how your guy W worked so hard to keep America safe on Sept. 10, 2001? A “real American” like W???
God, help save us from these crazy Cons!!!
Jay
September 12th, 2012
12:25 pm
Again, Get Real, how could that statement have been a “response” to events that had not yet occurred?
Is “first A, then B” a sequence too complicated to understand?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:25 pm
“Notre Dame has announced that all sports but football and hockey are leaving the Big East for the ACC, a move that will require the Irish to play five football games against ACC opponents each season.”
Also known as the new “ATLANTIC CATHOLIC CONFERENCE” !
Oh no ! I hope I didn’t offend some Catholics out there as I don’t want them storming my embassy !
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/09/12/notre-dame-acc/index.html#ixzz26H0OjDpa
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:25 pm
Watch out for the drones aq in Libya.
They are coming for you.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 12th, 2012
12:25 pm
Reminds me of the hysteria when a certain business owner dared to voice his support of traditional marriage and the left went nuts over it. Two peas in a pod.
Yeah, exact same thing
Aquagirl
September 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
So does every farmer in the United States. They should go to jail too right?
If they start talking about making that stuff into bombs and overthrowing the government, yes.
There’s a lot of people out there with guns. If one of them pointed his .45 at you and announced his intention to shoot, I doubt you’d slough them off as some old dude just flapping his dentures.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
As usual Jay is missing a much larger point in an attempt to protect Obama’s appeasement mentality at all costs.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
“larry-exactly. They were a threat.”
Do you suppose the five Georgians charged with gang activity is a play to hide the four murders in Cairo? It is so typical of the left wing.
Krystal'sBalls
September 12th, 2012
12:27 pm
I’m going to post something that is probably going to piss some people off, but here goes… I hold the opinion that it is high time for the U.S. to cut the umbilical to Isreal.
Isreal has a more than capable military to defend itself. It is even a nuclear power. It has a well established and stable government. It is more than self-sufficient from the financial perspective and the diaspora and its influence is clear testament to that. I as an AMERICAN over my entire life have felt as if I have been held hostage by some dysfunctional relationship, where I have seen my OWN COUNTRY seemingly have to essentially cowtow to a tiny nation in its foreign policy. You have two religious ideologies that stand diametrically opposed in a sense, one believing that the other is not in line with its God, yet it deems the LAND as a so-called “promised land” with “chosen people” so there fore we must play some silly little game of showing “unwavering support” of it.
Let me be clear. I fully support the existence of the state of Isreal and the right of its people and all people to exist. I just believe that this managing this complicated relationship has become more trouble than it is worth (at least in my view). Consequently, Isreal should be able to act in its OWN interest as IT sees fit and though we are allies we are not umbilically tethered and as such our politicians and country should not be held hostage figuratively by this relationship as it has been my entire life.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 12th, 2012
12:27 pm
Is “first A, then B” a sequence too complicated to understand?
Apparently so.
JKL2
September 12th, 2012
12:27 pm
the cat- JKL2-I would wager Biden and Obama know what a corpsman is unlike your draft dodgers.
Evidently not since they don’t know how to pronounce it. Maybe that’s how they say it in the Kenyan army…
Goldie
September 12th, 2012
12:28 pm
Romney/Ryan — Still Not Ready For Prime Time In America!
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:28 pm
“If they start talking about making that stuff into bombs and overthrowing the government, yes.”
The constitution says if the government becomes so bad the people have the right to change it. Where are the constitutional buffs?
Get Real
September 12th, 2012
12:28 pm
Not at all Jay…the attack was yesterday was it not, I read the response from the state department last night…if I am missing something then please correct me
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:28 pm
Goldie:
“Working” to prevent such things does not always mean you are successful but it’s a far cry from a general appeasement policy that the Obama Admnistration has.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:29 pm
Get Real:
Be very careful or he will trot out a chart !
the cat
September 12th, 2012
12:29 pm
JKL2-keep posting your azzhatted statements. no on is taking you seriously dudette.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:29 pm
willie,
Your treason is showing.
We support our country on this blog.
Thanks.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 12th, 2012
12:29 pm
Obama made sure Osama was “appeased” right between the eyes,
Mr. Silly Pants.
Holy Moly!
September 12th, 2012
12:29 pm
JKL2 11:46 am
williebkind- You are not talking about liberal kids for sure–right! Liberals go to college and get government jobs
Very well said. The people who always make that claim don’t have any skin in the game either.
Be careful -I’m liberal and have skin in the game in the form of my only son. While in the Army, he saw Iraq three times. Got out to work for the govt doing the same thing (intelligence) has seen two more trips to Iraq, two into Afghanistan. Due to leave in December for another duty in Afghanistan. His first trip into Iraq was before we all figured out there were no WMD. Remember that? We should learn from that horrible mistake and promise our soldiers to NEVER make that mistake again. And if you are running for the highest office this country has, you should NEVER speak about foreign affairs until you know what your talking about. Romney failed in his foray into showing he can handle foreign affairs, for the second time. Do we need any more prrof of what kind of leader he would be? With one finger away from the red button? This was his 2:00 alarm being woken up in the White house, and this was monumental failure.
willie lynch
September 12th, 2012
12:30 pm
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
Farmers who have not announced any intention to rise up against the government should not fear being arrested as well as law abiding gun owners. But remember the Batman movie shooter, the Sikh Temple shooter and the guy who shot the Congresswoman all made legal gun purchases.
Without the gun there is no shooting. Randy Weaver and David Koresh should have heeded the instructions given to them by law enforcement. The same law enforcement you want to protect your borders. You can’t have it both way’s either you obey and respect the law or you don’t. I’m fine with whichever way one decides to go but for the sake of clarity choose and deal with the consequences. Just don’t’ wave the the Ruby Ridge and Waco flag and then complain that the government is not securing the border.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:30 pm
Krystal’sBalls
September 12th, 2012
12:27 pm
Israel can do all what you said unless Russia or China join the other forces. Then what?
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
That includes the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post and ABC.
And THIS right wing site concurs: http://twitchy.com/2012/09/11/unreal-mob-storms-u-s-embassy-in-cairo-embassy-tweets-apologies-for-hurt-muslim-feelings/
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
“Where are the constitutional buffs?”
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.
.
The smart ones are laughing and pointing at you.
Get Real
September 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
This blog just sounds like a bunch of Obama excuse makers…..
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
Oh, hey, anyone ELSE want to come out and say I don’t look at anything but left wing information, by the way?
Holy Moly!
September 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
proof, not prrof. Typing too fast. Sorry!
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:31 pm
Smoke from RPG killed diplomats.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:32 pm
Gone !
“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows President Obama attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns 45% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
The president received a modest convention bounce, but that’s now gone.”
Krystal'sBalls
September 12th, 2012
12:32 pm
…and to add, I only bring our relationship with Isreal because that is really what all this stuff stems from and ties it all together – how quick we respond to this or that, whether we stand with Isreal against the Islamists, whether our as it is called “interference” in the middle east is because we show favor to Isreal, etc. Those types of things. Between that and the oil thing, I’m just tired.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 12th, 2012
12:32 pm
…if I am missing something then please correct me
Hint: read Jay’s accompanying piece, click on the provided links (that would be the words highlighted in bright blue) and then comment.
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:33 pm
HEADLINE from right wing site Twitchy: U.S. Embassy in Cairo chooses Sep. 11 to apologize for hurt Muslim feelings; Hours later, angry Egyptian mob storms compound; Embassy stands by its apology; White House disavows it
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:33 pm
“Obama made sure Osama was “appeased” right between the eyes”
He wanted him captured but the SEALS made sure otherwise.
independent thinker
September 12th, 2012
12:33 pm
And how many apologies to the muslim faith did Mr. George W. make on this day eleven years ago?
And whom did he escort to the airport with a presidential you can fly anytime waiver?
Today’s events will allow the voters to see the right wing crazies who just like after 9-11 are ready
to use Romney/Ryan to advance their extreme agenda like John Bolton, Michelle Bachmann , Krauthammer, Crystal, Cheney etc.
Just yesterday all the cons were ready to throw in the towel unless robot man goes “ideological” . Well guess what this right wing misguided film did after going on You Tube??? Robot man is going ideological on foreign policy!
Can someone blog El Rushbo’s misguided comments today???? They must be a doozy- might start some new riots.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
“Without the gun there is no shooting. Randy Weaver and David Koresh should have heeded the instructions given to them by law enforcement”
Without the gun, the US would not exist, and I personnally believe there should not be a federal police state over the citizens. That should be left to the states.
Goldie
September 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
“Our campaign will not be dictated by Fact-checkers!”
And the un-American propaganda continues from the Cons!
Jay
September 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
The constitution says if the government becomes so bad the people have the right to change it. Where are the constitutional buffs?
No, it doesn’t. Unless of course you are referring to the sections explaining how the Constitution can be amended.
Where are the constitutional buffs indeed.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
Randy Weaver and David Koresh are apples and oranges.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:35 pm
aq attacks in Libya, robme and the cons blame America.
There is your headline.
Lets leave the adults in charge.
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:35 pm
Scout: He wanted him captured but the SEALS made sure otherwise.
Bullsh*t. Prove it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:35 pm
VERY interesting ……………………. “Occut*rds Middle East Chapter” !
“Egyptian rioters yesterday were photographed wearing Guy Fawkes masks next to photo graffiti on a wall of the U.S. embassy during a protest in Cairo, Egypt”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/photo-egyptian-rioters-were-wearing-guy-fawkes-masks/article/2507732#.UFCScI1lQ19
Welcome to the Occupation
September 12th, 2012
12:36 pm
They BOTH suck: “Obama set up the Chicago school system?”
Yeah, and the Republicans are 100% on board with it.
Which is kind of inconvenient with the various partisan narratives you see here, isn’t it?
By the way, Jay, you might be preferring to avoid what’s going on in Chicago, but some of your readers might have other ideas.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
Ah it must have been the Declaration of Independence which is the catalyst for national and personal freedoms that makes that proclamation.
GT
September 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
I like some things I am seeing in the Republican response to Romney lately. They are actually calling him out on the way he is handling the convention speech, this situation, not having a micro plan for the economy. I think some on both sides are starting to see the shortfalls of agreeing to every lie put out by his or her party, and seeing compromise as not a dirty word. Some in both parties are actually starting to get it.
JKL2
September 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
the cat- Draft dodgers-Romney, Bush disappeared and never served.
I guess Romney should have doen something honorable like gone to Oxford and been a war protester..
As far as the Bush comment, you are so clueless it’s painful. At least stick to topics you can pretend to know.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
KRYSTALSBALLS
I think we need to pull all troops back home and let another country take the lead in all this crap…..
What’s the payback? Iraq-none, Syria-none, egypt-none, Isreal-none, South Korea, none, list goes on and on….
Cut defense spending by 25%
Krystal'sBalls
September 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
@WillieBkind
That is where our being ALLIES come into play. Like I said, I do not advocate not being allies with them. In that light our relationship does not change. I am talking about the dysfunctional relationship we have. Am I the only one who has felt in my life that the U.S. is oftentimes dictated to by Israel? This would be based on the political games our politicians have to play in regularly and seemingly elevating Israel over the concerns of its OWN citizens. We do not do this with ANY of our other allies.
St Simons - original Georgian
September 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
we are reaching a point where Caribou Barbie was a better candidate.
Roll that around in your mind for a little bit.
Obama 2012
Romney 1040
rwcole
September 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
Poor Rags. Too busy reading his thesaurus to actually read a history book. Great vocabulary, though.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
“And the un-American propaganda continues from the Cons!”
The cons un-American–really? Who continues to make laws from the bench and interprets the constitution as their emotions rise.
JP
September 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
What I don’t understand is why the rush to judgement from Mitt? There can be a time and place to talk about this tragedy – even knock Obama’s response/policies. But this makes Mitt look like a total fool. Who is he getting advice from these days?
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
The constitution says if the government becomes so bad the people have the right to change it. Where are the constitutional buffs?
Actually, what you’re referring to is the Declaration of Independence. And here is what it says:
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
Nothing in there about overthrowing the existing government, by the way.
I can forgive you not distinguishing the two documents, but what I can’t forgive is your complete lack of understanding and insistence on the false idea that the founders thought the people of this country needed to be ready and armed to overthrow THEIR OWN government, as opposed to separating themselves from it. The Constitution and the Second amendment are both things you don’t need to pay ANY attention to if you are planning on overthrowing the government that is based on that document, or if you plan on separating.
Darwin
September 12th, 2012
12:39 pm
Let’s invade Russia.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:40 pm
Jay @ 12:24
Sorry Jay but the 2nd Amendment is the final arbiter for a tyrannical government that refuses to uphold the Constitution.
Following are just a few excerpts from the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Heller v. D.C.
“Page 24
b. SECURITY OF A FREE STATE
“The phrase “security of a free state” meant “security of a free polity” not security of each of the several states.”
“There are many reasons why the militia was thought to be “necessary for the security of a free state” ……….. Third, when the
able bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.”
Page 25
3. RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PREFATORY CLAUSE AND OPERATIVE CLAUSE
“That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by
banning the militia but simply taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress
political opponents.”
Page 26
“It was understood across the political spectrum that the right helped to secure the ideal of a citizen militia, which might
be necessary to oppose an oppressive military force if the constitutional order broke down.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
September 12th, 2012
12:40 pm
JAY,
I think it’s safe to day we need a couple or more amendments to this tired, worshipped document…
No private money in politics is best start….otherwise, nothing will change…
Jay
September 12th, 2012
12:40 pm
When you personally read that embassy statement doesn’t matter, Get Real. I, for example, read it this morning.
What matters is when it was released. It was released yesterday morning, Cairo time, hours before the protesters marched on the embassy, and hours before the attacks that killed Ambassador Stevens.
H. E. Pennypacker
September 12th, 2012
12:41 pm
Obama White House just announced attacks may have been planned.
larry
September 12th, 2012
12:41 pm
Washington Examiner ?
Anyhow, I would like to state that none of the three that were arrested in Toccoa/Stephens Co. were farmers.
I can not speak for the man from White Co.
I would like to know who made the video that got all this started in the first place, and how did it get over there in Egypt and Libya?
Bernie
September 12th, 2012
12:42 pm
This was Mitts message today. one of political grandstanding of the highest order. A message to further stoke division overseas and here at home. A division he wants to encourage, thinking that it all will somehow play to his advantage. His response is filled with HOLLOW SHOUTS of a Bellicose nature to incite more WAR for the American people without a care at all of the consequences that would be derived of such action.
We as Americans should reject such behavior and step back and make a fully informed assessment of the problem at Hand.
I trust President Obama’s wise and steady Leadership over one Mitt Romney, whose acts once again will reflects a VOLATILE and UNWISE reactionary behavior.
Mitt its time to SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! More American Lives are at stake this very moment. something he has no care or concern for obviously.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:42 pm
Adam @ 12:39
Please see my 12:40.
The 2nd Amendment in the U.S. Constitution (which is a full part of the Constitution) provides for the changing of a rogue tryrannical government at odds with its own Constitution.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
Hilarious drudgey spam: Jane Fonda As Nancy Reagan: First Look…
Tom(Independent Viet Vet,USAF)
September 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
Larry@12:19 – Interesting post, informative and to the point. A local’s view is well taken. I just saw the movie LAWLESS, hope it is not quite like that?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
“They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it’s just completely blown up,” said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an “utter disaster” and a “Lehman moment” — a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader.
kayaker 71
September 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
Seems that Bookman left a few things out, as usual. CBS reports that the ambassador was not killed at the embassy but apparently was spirited out of the embassy by Libyan security officials to some place “safe”, but the kicker is that these same security officials, according to CBS, told where he was and the result was his death. And Bozo and Hillary are tooting the horn of the Libyans as friends and allies. If I was the sister of that ambassador or any of those others killed, I would not rest until the truth came out and showed what absolute imbeciles those in charge have been. They are afraid of their shadow and all of those peace loving Muslims know it.
Darwin
September 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
A zealot American Jewish man made the video. The trailer was shown on You Tube. It has played in Hollywood last year to a near empty theatre. Appears to have been made to provoke and threaten American lives.
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:44 pm
The 2nd Amendment in the U.S. Constitution (which is a full part of the Constitution) provides for the changing of a rogue tryrannical government at odds with its own Constitution.
No it doesn’t, despite your assertion that it does. Nowhere in any founding document or letter will you find such sentiment or intent. Plus, as I have already explained, overthrowing the government or taking it by force means you are basically ignoring the Constitution anyway – which says such action or conspiracy is treason. Separation is allowed, so you’re free to leave whenever you feel oppressed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:44 pm
“Obama White House just announced attacks may have been planned.”
No kidding. And I’m betting our intell. knew it was coming. If so, I would be interested to know why the embassies weren’t evacuated or reinforced !
Oh, …………. it might look provacative !
Tell that to the families of those slain.
Towncrier
September 12th, 2012
12:45 pm
Wow…a lot of emotion being shown here. So I have been looking into this entire thing. First off, Jay, are you sure you have your facts straight? Here is the account of Romney’s press conference today from the NR:
In a forceful statement today, Mitt Romney condemned yesterday’s attacks in Libya and Egypt — and criticized the White House’s handling of the situation.
“America will not tolerate attacks against our citizens and against our embassies,” Romney said in Jacksonville, Fla. “We’ll defend also our constitutional rights of speech and assembly and religion. We have confidence in our cause in America.”
“I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions,” he added. “It’s never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values. The White House distanced itself last night from the statement, saying it wasn’t cleared by Washington. That reflects the mixed signals they’re sending to the world.”
There were at least TWO assaults on the embassy, and it appears Romney was attacking the apparent initial response to the first attack, given in the form of the Embassy Statement (that you quoted in part above and from which the WH, interestingly, has reportedly “distanced” itself). Correct me if you think I am wrong, but it seems you have your timeline mixed up.
As for Romney’s charge the the Obama administration was “sympathizing” with the attackers, that charge was (again) directed at the Embassy statement which the WH apparently is trying to “distance” itself from (suggesting at the very least that it sees the statement as less than appropriate).
I am not going to defend Romney or his obvious political actions. Both he AND Obama are, as it turns out, typical POLITICIANS. You might do well to stop falling into the trap of defending Obama so much. There is little evidence that either he or Romney are heroes.
JamVet
September 12th, 2012
12:45 pm
Bush served. Three our of his required four years in the Texas Air national Guard.
The he got so messed up so bad being a smackhead that he no longer kept his flight status and got lost in Alabama!
Mark
September 12th, 2012
12:45 pm
@ Steve-USA “None of the Above”
September 12th, 2012
11:44 am
Typical Republican statement….It’s amazing how those dumb asses still don’t get it!
philosopher
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
Once again Romney has brought shame upon himself and, because he has been chosen by a faction of the population to vie for position of POS, upon America. He’s not funny (as in laughable), anymore, he’s dangerous.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
Adam:
Sorry but the Supreme Court disagrees with you. The majority stated that 2nd Amendment exists as a final means to overthrow a tyrannical government that has abandoned the Constitution.
I suggest you read the entire brief. You will be enlightened.
LVG
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
Krystal’s balls – I agree with you and my family lives in Israel. The problem is that the US continuously dictates what Israel can do militarily since the 1956 Suez crisis when they, Britain and France whooped on Egypt and Eisenhower made them pull back. Same in 1967, 1972, Gaza and Lebanon. Why???-oil. Gotta keep those Arabs happy and keep that oil flowing. We even give unlimited refugee aid to the Palestinians since 1950 so they remain UN dependents From 400,000 to now almost two million on the UN dole funded by the US.This is a sick relationship of Big daddy trying to keep the children happy so the oil flow does not get interrupted and occasionally we march in and try to give one of them an ass whoopin for getting too uppity.Obama is first president to say you are big boys and we should not have to keep acting like you are children. But everyone knows that once Israel attacks Iran all hell is going to break loose and we will be caught in the middle and our economy will suffer unless you elect Romney and he puts everyone to work ramping up the military.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
Krystal’sBalls
September 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
Do you not love those that love you more than those that do not love you? How many times have you heard the islamic terrorists talk about American with hate in the hearts? Have you heard Israel talk about America with that kind of disdain? One reason the islamic terrorists hate American because we say that Israel has the right to exist and will enforce that politically and militarily if necessary. Israel has defeated them in war and possessed lands they use to attack Israel. Only a greater resource nations can bring Israel down–like Russia and China.
Krystal'sBalls
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
@Willieb
I think itis fair to add though that Russia and China has no religious beef with Israel and as such are not in that wipe-Israel-off-the-map mentality. So, I don’t think at this point that is a fair assessment. Each probably have more hate for US than for Israel. Let’s be honest, if they could wipe US off the map they would, but we have a huge nuclear arsenal. That, and we owe them too much money.
getalife
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
“Jane Fonda As Nancy Reagan”
That is hilarious and bet she does a great job.
She plays the wealthy corporate owner on Newsroom too.
One of her best lines, ” I have business with this congress.”
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
Jay, are you sure you have your facts straight? Here is the account of Romney’s press conference today from the NR:
Ask right wing site Twitchy: http://twitchy.com/2012/09/11/unreal-mob-storms-u-s-embassy-in-cairo-embassy-tweets-apologies-for-hurt-muslim-feelings/
U.S. Embassy in Cairo chooses Sep. 11 to apologize for hurt Muslim feelings; ****Hours later****, angry Egyptian mob storms compound; Embassy stands by its apology; White House disavows it
Jay
September 12th, 2012
12:47 pm
Towncrier, per your request, I am telling you that you are wrong. The embassy statement was released hours before any attack on the embassy in Cairo. It was not in an way a response to what later occurred.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 12th, 2012
12:47 pm
Adam:
“Nowhere in any founding document or letter will you find such sentiment or intent. Plus, as I have already explained”
And surely you have heard of the Declaration of Independence.
Williebkind
September 12th, 2012
12:48 pm
“Bush served. Three our of his required four years in the Texas Air national Guard.
The he got so messed up so bad being a smackhead that he no longer kept his flight status and got lost in Alabama!”
Got his life together and became President of the United States! What an American dream!
Adam
September 12th, 2012
12:48 pm
Twitchy also had this in their article, in case you thought they were liberal bias or something: The embassy released a statement of appeasement, and was rewarded later in the day by a rampaging mob which stormed the embassy, tearing down its flag.