Gallup documents good post-convention jump for Obama

Mitt Romney got what you call a dead-cat bounce coming out of the 2012 Republican Convention in Tampa Bay. According to the folks at Gallup, Barack Obama has done a whole lot better.

His job approval number now stands at 52 percent, a nine-point jump since late August. Nothing in the news cycle — other than the convention — could account for an improvement that significant. The same is true of the head-to-head contest with Romney, where Obama has transformed a two-point deficit into a four-point advantage.

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In the battle of the conventions, in other words, Obama and the Democrats are the decisive victors. Nonetheless, I expect the race to tighten again as the post-convention aura fades, with the next possible inflection point coming on Oct. 3.

That’s the date of the first presidential debate at the University of Denver.

– Jay Bookman

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Loretta Paraguassu

September 8th, 2012
2:17 pm

I wonder if we could take up a collection and send Romney on another international tour. That would probably settle it very nicely in Obama’s favor and we could all relax.

getalife

September 8th, 2012
2:20 pm

Great news Jay :)

Vote out the gop failed congress.

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:20 pm

The Romany Lady still ain’t laying odds. She’s waiting on the October surprises.

Steve

September 8th, 2012
2:21 pm

I can’t wait for the debates – this is when it will all come down.

Obama 2012!

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:24 pm

That’s the date of the first presidential debate at the University of Denver.

And they’re both experienced debators. (Masters, even.) I really don’t think those are going to be game changers, short of some hideous mess-up by either Obama or Romney.

She’s waiting on the October surprises.

They’re only going to leak what’s hidden in those tax returns if Obama’s tanking.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
2:26 pm

You guys totally misunderstand the debates. When Ryan wipes the floor with Biden everyone will vote for Romney.

Wait, Ryan isn’t running for president, but it’s his budget plan.

Now I’m confused :-)

Steve

September 8th, 2012
2:27 pm

Decibels, Romney comes across as stiff and fake in interviews, and I can only imagine he’d come across as even more plastic in debates. It would be very easy to refute the current GOP talking points, and the GOP doesn’t have much to trash Obama about without easy comebacks from Obama. It’s going to be very fun to watch.

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:28 pm

SFD

I don’t think the tax returns are it…they’ve been playing that one too hard already and most of the voting population is already tired of hearing about it…they’ve (both sides) got to come up with something truly scandalous and “news…”

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
2:33 pm

josef

scandalous? Like maybe Romney made profits off of investments in Iran or that he and Bin Laden’s family had investments together.

Those are both possibilities without the release of the tax returns.

Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:34 pm

National poll v electoral college

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:34 pm

I don’t think the tax returns are it…

Oh, I’d say there’s only about a 33% chance that there is something truly gruesome to be leaked (I’d categorize qualifying for amnesty on the Swiss bank account that way), but that’s what they’d leak if they needed to take a leak. Which I’m hoping they don’t of course.

For Team Romney, what’ve they really got, likely, that they haven’t already thrown against the wall in hope of sticking? I mean, last time around they played the “pal-ling around with terrists” bit and nobody cared. They’ve tried to claim he lied about his country of birth, for cryin’ out loud. At this point I honestly think that if there really were a genuinely scandalous item that the right wing dredged up, it’d be the boy crying wolf with the public at large. That’d include a live boy / dead girl in bed, I suspect.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
2:35 pm

Wow!

A red letter day in my diary. Two Saturday threads and one of ‘em even has a chart, with color lines and everything!

Has it ever been shown that debates are the deciding factor for the undecideds?

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stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:38 pm

Vote out the gop failed congress.

Even an Obama-bot like me doesn’t think for a minute his coattails are going to be long enough to pull that off. It’d have to be an epic landslide and with this crap economy, na gone duit.

Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:39 pm

Obama is winning the debt race too

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:41 pm

SFD

It’s true that the GOP will have a hard time coming up with something on Teflon Man, if they had anything of any substance they would have already thrown it out. I suspect that theirs would be innuendo trumpeted loudly enough to take on vestiges of the truth. I think that pretty much holds for Romney. I suspect that if either side does indeed have something up their sleeves, it will involve others than the candidate himself.

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

show of hands–who thinks our national debt would’ve been one penny teensy-tinier with a Gramps/BibleSpice victory in ‘08?

Who thinks it’ll be any teensy-tinier if, god forbid, Romney/Ryan steals wins in ‘12?

Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

Josef

Savannah used to be the capital, the first. Which I’m sure you knew.

You have a good point. We should punish the nice peeps of Savannah. :)

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:45 pm

Teflon Man

gotta say, josef, I like that one a lot better than “Ima Gonna.”

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:45 pm

All eyes are on domestic issue and the wild card may well be coming from elsewhere. The Iran situation just ramped up several notches unnoticed. Canada has broken diplomatic relations with Teheran.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
2:45 pm

I have a compomising picture of Ryan with a certain AFS school teacher is that enough?

:-)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
2:46 pm

APS dammit LOL

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:46 pm

I don’t care all that much about Savanna being overrun by banksters and bureaucrats, but I would fret bout Tybee suffering from the spillage.

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:47 pm

SFD

Ima Gonna finally got off the pot…no need to call him that any longer, even if Big Daddy and Maureen Dowd on the same day at the same time did say it wasn’t “exactly a profile in courage…” :-)

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:48 pm

Common Sense

Is that the one where that silly queen is being slapped into December? :-)

Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:49 pm

Sfd

Unscientific poll! :)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
2:50 pm

that be the one LOL

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:51 pm

finally got off the pot…

You know, I’d have paid a year’s salary to a pro-Obama SuperPAC if he’d used that phrase to describe his “evolution” on the bleedin’ obvious public stand he finally did take.

“My fellow Americans, it was time to sh-t or get off the pot. And I’m finally getting off the pot, and standing with my gay brothers and sisters.”

(Ok, maybe a year’s salary one might earn at Mickie D’s, but you get the point.)

fair and balanced

September 8th, 2012
2:52 pm

To me this is the essence of the message that came out of Obama’s speech:

“”"”"”"”"”"I’m hopeful because of you.;
The young woman I met at a science fair who won national recognition for her biology research while living with her family at a homeless shelter — she gives me hope. ;;
The auto worker who won the lottery after his plant almost closed, but kept coming to work every day, and bought flags for his whole town and one of the cars that he built to surprise his wife — he gives me hope.
The family business in Warroad, Minnesota, that didn’t lay off a single one of their 4,000 employees when the recession hit even when their competitors shut down dozens of plants, even when it meant the owner gave up some perks and some pay because they understood that their biggest asset was the community and the workers who had helped build that business — they give me hope.

I think about the young sailor I met at Walter Reed Hospital still recovering from a grenade attack that would cause him to have his leg amputated above the knee. And six months ago we would watch him walk into a White House dinner honoring those who served in Iraq — racing with his fellow wounded warriors on a sparkling spring day, inspiring other heroes who had just begun the hard path he had traveled. He gives me hope. He gives me hope.”"”"”"”"”"

Obama’s biggest failing was that “you didn’t build it ” speech which has been used as a dagger by the Repubs in misquoting it.

Unlike all the self aggrandizement speeches in Tampa and all the emphasis on Romney’s business skills, Obama puts the emphasis on persons who pulled themselves up despite adversity and people who gave back to their workers and country. The lack of selfishness and concern for others especially veterans is a value that separates the Dems from the cons.
Think of what both Jimmy Carter and bill Clinto have accomplished since leaving office vs. their counterparts.
Anyone looking around the audience in Charlotte has to see a different audience than In Charlotte -all the veterans wore their colors including several World War II vets conspicuously attired with that emblem on their hats.
So tell me Rush, Sean, Anne and the rest of the right wing mouth pieces was this an audience of moochers?

Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:52 pm

Obama has accumulated more debt than any other president in history. In 4 years!

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:52 pm

Jm, it’s got a MoE of no more than ±30%…

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:54 pm

And Jm, seriously, are you telling me that Gramps/BibleSpice wouldn’t have “accumulated more debt than any other president in history in 4 years?”

Because that’s the point i’ve made over and over and over and over again, and all I hear from the other side is “la la la la I can’t hear you.”

It’s a BS argument, and I think by now the public knows it’s a BS argument.

JamVet

September 8th, 2012
2:54 pm

Flip Robme and Lyin’ Ryan got a negative bounce?

Niiice.

And appropriate for the globally cooled anti-science party…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjJUtdc0bhU&feature=related

Tom Middleton

September 8th, 2012
2:54 pm

You have to admit that we’re are doing a much better job of messaging, Jay, traditionally a Republican strong point of any election they’re in. But since their message this time is warmed-over Bush times 2, I don’t see them winning by promising what most of us know can’t work!

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
2:54 pm

sfd

In other words we can say Obama has evolved in his stand on social justice?

While Romney has devolved from his stances while he was Gov. of Mass

:-)

Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:54 pm

Sfd :)

Acceptable…. ;)

josef

September 8th, 2012
2:55 pm

SFD

You know, he said exactly what this gay boy wanted to hear. I was wrong and I admit it. It took me time and too much time, I’m sorry. That said, let’s get on with the process.

The ones who wear me ragged are these folks that try to claim they came out of the womb in support of gay civil rights. It’s been an evolutionary process. It’s why I can hold the bloggers Michael Smith and Johnny Reb in higher regard on this subject than a lot of others. They have recognized that it took soul searching and questioning of convention.

JS

September 8th, 2012
2:55 pm

When the Republicans become obsessed with the old “October Surprise” canard that gets dragged out every four years, you know they must be feeling the heat.

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stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:57 pm

…I’ve said it a bunch of times, and most honest conservatives, when cornered on this, have accepted that yes, McCain would’ve felt it necessary to stimulate the economy with something like the Recovery Act’s mix of spending and tax cuts. Might’ve been a few billion less (or might’ve been more–and neither would’ve been the least bit controversial at a time of horrific job loss), and the ration of tax cuts/credits : spending might’ve been a bit different, but overall, a similar income/outgo.

so spare me this “spendiest Preznit in history” BS.

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Jm

September 8th, 2012
2:57 pm

Sfd

I think it is likely we’d have less debt

I think it is also possible job growth might, might!, have been worse too

stands for decibels

September 8th, 2012
2:58 pm

breeze turned to wind, looks like it might rain and f—, I haven’t mowed the lawn.

Off my ass for a bit. Might be back later. don’t convention-jump anyone while I’m away.

Mike Farley

September 8th, 2012
2:58 pm

I wonder what results would be if Gallup were a truly scientific, unbiased poll and included Gary Johnson?

[...] the economy that he outlined in his Democratic nomination acceptance speech two nights …Gallup documents good post-convention jump for ObamaAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Poll: Obama opens up four-point lead on Romney nationallyThe Hill [...]

JamVet

September 8th, 2012
3:01 pm

I wrote about this thing the other day.

Don’t eh republicans have their own musical artists that they can steal stuff from??

Artists as diverse as K’Naan and Twisted Sister’s Dee Snider have all taken exception to the Romney campaign’s use of their music without authorization. Now R.E.M. has a dog in the fight: the band issued a cease-and-desist to Fox News after the network used their 1991 hit “Losing My Religion” in its coverage of the Democratic National Convention.

Lead singer Michael Stipe said in a statement, “We have little or no respect for their puff adder brand of reportage. Our music does not belong there.”

That’s a bit more succinct than Rage Against the Machine’s Tom Morello was when he told off Paul Ryan, but it’s clear enough.

“FOX News Channel’s use of an R.E.M. song during Thursday’s edition of Fox & Friends was in full accordance with its license agreements with all appropriate parties. Nevertheless, we’re always flattered to have this much attention for a song selection and we hope R.E.M. was able to satisfy their publicity fix,” A representative for Fox News responded.

As Jay noted the other day to the GOPers, your product sucks…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:01 pm

Obama’s biggest failing was that “you didn’t build it ” speech which has been used as a dagger by the Repubs in misquoting it.

At this point, that misrepresentation is only playing to the base. Anyone with an interest in context already knows that Obama was speaking of the infrastructure that allows a bidnessman to bring his products to market.

So in the long run this is one of those things that has a bigger potential to backfire. The president shouldn’t quit making these kinds of speeches as the opposition will take anything out of context.

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:03 pm

Raining here in Buckhead…a roll or two of thunder, but not much.

T

September 8th, 2012
3:04 pm

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

ZamVet

Yeah, they need to tune in to FNM and see how it’s REALLY done, eh? They could learn a lot.

Hellcat

September 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

Um, yeah, what a nice little convention…but then reality set in…more abysmal, appalling jobs numbers.

Obama is a sweet talker, but that’s IT. A Poser-In-Chief. Who the hell wants four more years of his empty words and Biden’s stupidity?

Well, apparently, some of the fools posting here do, but my mom didn’t raise no foolish children. Voting Republican – for the first time – all the way this November.

just sayin'

September 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

Hey, @getalife, keep in mind the Dem congress had a lower rating than even W had….look what they did!

It’s hard to imagine that people on this blog have any intelligence including the author himself. I don’t know what you guys were hearing, but if you check this link from AP, an established/liberal news organization, you will see how many factual errors Barry Soeto/Obama made in his speech.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h7NDhQyY6krI3yW9gwp1RaehdVvg?docId=aee2b9a16a134d2d8fdb73e4fa0a8a2d

RR3

September 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

You need to remember something, which in my opinion is what’s fueling the teapartyGOP support for Romney….is their hate for the President…..why??…..’cause he’s black….period!!….they have thrown every single insult known to man kind, to this President, they’ve blocked everything he’s tried to do, and then accusing him of not doing anything…..the GOP has promised they will do everything to make President Obama….a one term President…..
Romney 1040…..show to the American public your tax returns…..game over!!!…..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:08 pm

A dick Morris commercial using Copeland’s Fanfare for the Common Man.

Oh

.

the

.

irony!

marsha

September 8th, 2012
3:08 pm

to you that support Obama, please go see the movie, 2016!!!!!!!!!!

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:10 pm

RR3

Sorry, Mec, but you’re guilty of the same only in reverse. For some, any criticism of President Obama immediately draws the race card. That’s just as dangerous and just as narrow minded.

Russell Dee

September 8th, 2012
3:11 pm

I think it was likely Bill Clinton’s speech. President Obama needs to say the exact same things but he is not doing so. He needs to incorporate those same points that Bill Clinton made into his speeches. The main point that he needs to hammer the republicans on is that we would have a few million more jobs in America right now if not for the republicans in Congress blocking the President’s jobs bill and point out that independent analysts say that the President’s jobs bill would have created somewhere between 1.3 million jobs and 1.9 million jobs. He needs to say it over and over and over again. All democratic politicians and democratic PACs need to say it over and over and over again. It is THE biggest campaign issue but the democrats are not taking advantage of it the way they should. Bill Clinton did. And Bill Clinton also raised every other important issue there is in this election. Barack Obama needs to start saying the things that Bill Clinton said. All democratic politicians and Pacs need to start saying the things that Bill Clinton said.

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:12 pm

Hellcat

September 8th, 2012
3:13 pm

**In other words we can say Obama has evolved in his stand on social justice?**

Not if we wanna be honest here. A more honest statement would be: he reads the polls and acts accordingly. Doesn’t say much for his principles, assuming he has any.

Where’s the “justice”, anyway, in an outside group taking a rite and tradition that belongs to another group and demanding it be changed and then yelling bloody murder if it’s put to a fair vote and they lose? Where’s the justice when 1% of the American population declare that THEY and only THEY should decide what constitutes a marriage, and nobody else better disagree, or they’re “homophobes”? Feh. Another reason to vote Republican this November. I believe in freedom of speech, and to hell with the gay mafia who apparently doesn’t.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:14 pm

…please go see the movie, 2016!!!!!!!!!!

Can’t I just drive red-hot railroad spikes in my eyes instead?!?!?!?!?!

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:14 pm

My biggest objection to the Obama presidency is that he came up with no public works on infrastructure. But neither would have the GOP. Neither “side” is really looking at the future. Obama’s bad press on the “you didn’t build it” would have carried a helluva lot more weight if he had had such a program in place.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:16 pm

Gay mafia?

Did someone make you an offer you couldn’t refuse?

independent thinker

September 8th, 2012
3:16 pm

A key point lost on the American public that Clinton and Obama emphasized in referring to the mess Obama inherited:

1. Three and half wars – no president ever faced such a situation not even Roosevelt: Iraq, Afghanistan, El Quaida, and Iran plus Libya and the war on pirates in Somalia. Sorry Ms. Rice but this president did lead from the front on each of these. You Ms. Rice lead from behind by making us look weak and untrustworthy and you betrayed our key ally- Israel making them pull out of Gaza.
2. A total meltdown of the housing and real estate market;
3. A total freeze up and collapse of the banking industry;
4. Rampant and unchecked unemployment ;
5. A totally uncooperative opposition party that worships a lobbyist and the wealthiest a totally selfish cult of tea baggers who refuse to increase US revenue so that the president will fail;
6. A huge deficit created primarily by twenty years of Republican spending without balanced budgets and
7. Most state budgets approaching bankruptcy

So tell me if those two wannabees have any experience handling any of the above?

oh I forgot they want to hide their experience, tell lies and only throw darts.Maybe that is why their convention was a dud.

Jm

September 8th, 2012
3:16 pm

Wonder when democrats will pay off the $15 million their convention went over budget because democrats don’t know how to spend $

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:16 pm

HELLCAT

Wanna brawl? I brought some and am ready for yours. Gay mafia…one percent…you’re dumb as dirt and your momma wears combat boots…

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:17 pm

josef

You a member of the gay mafia? I think you would be the type since hell kitty says there is one :-)

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:17 pm

K’CHAK

Allen the Black Cat has been informed! :-)

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

COMMON

Sounds like you know who is back posting under a more fitting name, eh? Cat fight, cat fight! Mustafa the al Qaaeda Terrorist Cat says it’s an infidel posting… :-)

Jm

September 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

2016

Is that the new end of the world date?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:20 pm

Kam

Re: 2016. I was taking a nap this morning and had the TV on the GOLF channel when a commercial for that movie came on.

LOL. Needless to say I woke up quick and changed the channel.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:20 pm

josef

Do youse guys have a different interpretation of the phrase, “sleeping with the fishes”?

JamVet

September 8th, 2012
3:21 pm

2016? Is that that movie from Michael Moore?

I’m with josef, the cons don’t hate blacks.

The Republicans are the American minorities best friends!

Too bad they can’t get the stupid, lazy things to figure that out…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZURwQ_wME

Tom Middleton

September 8th, 2012
3:22 pm

RR3

You know how it is here in the South, RR3: For every First-Amendment patriot trying to advance “a more perfect union,” there’s a Second-Amendment racist who doesn’t want to go. In one ear and out the other, brother, and let’s keep this thing moving forward – forever!

Mustafa the al Qaeeda Terrorist Cat

September 8th, 2012
3:23 pm

We are very civilized.

We only use hair bombs.

Murse

September 8th, 2012
3:25 pm

The debates will not sway anybody.. America’s minds are already made up… The Republican’s did not pick Romney as their candidate. Bored Liberals in Iowa and New Hampshire chose him.

The possibility of 8 years with Romney or some unknown Democrat is far worse than 4 more years of Obama. We will hold out for a Rand Paul Run in 2016.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:29 pm

Murse

Start working on the congress and senate candidates. They are the obstructionists in the battle to make true progress.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:30 pm

Mustafa

I never trust some kitty (or whatever word one would choose) to not lie LOL.

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josef

September 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

K’CHAK

Well, you do know what “fish” is in gay male slang… :-)

Mustafa…

:-)

ZamVet

Well, we do know who and what you think constitutes a “decent” Republican…what’s a little genocide among friends, eh? Cons don’t hate blacks? Nyanh, just Reds…at least the closet ones…

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:33 pm

COMMON

Mustafa says to tell you, Cats don’t lie. They just tell you truths you don’t want to hear, Infidel! :-)

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

HELLCAT

Mustafa has another message for you…by your own nomenclature you’re already where you belong…no virgin p*ssies for you! :-)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

I only voted for Obama’s white half. That seems to be working out fine :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:36 pm

Well, you do know what “fish” is in gay male slang…

Not until I goggled it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I particularly liked “fish and chips.”

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:37 pm

I have a great marinade for cat. Lots of vinegar to sweeten the little buggers up LOL

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 8th, 2012
3:37 pm

Oops — “googled” not “goggled”.

JamVet

September 8th, 2012
3:38 pm

Your selective outrage is cute, jo.

PSU starts out 0 – 2.

And Mick, your Canes got destroyed in the Little Apple…

Hey Romneybots, I found your boy’s theme song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRf7_qa__F8

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

September 8th, 2012
3:39 pm

They should change the state motto – First in Corruption, First in Obesity and Last in Education

From Jam from downstairs.

It was so dang funny, I had to brush it off, and bring it up here to this blog. Sorry!

:evil:

William

September 8th, 2012
3:41 pm

Once again you have to go by the record not only did Mitt Romney cut the persons hair, but he also says he forgot about it.Impossible for him to have forgotten such a violent act. Next the fact that he played police officer in authentic uniform is a example of how a bully looks for power without risk. He did not become a officer but yearned to have the power. Next he evaded the draft (avoid risk) and used the lame excuse of converting the French ( he could have done that after the war). He also participated in converting peoples religion after they died .Now all of a sudden he has only one desire to serve the country from the White House. Well I do not believe it (he wants the power and prestige) he could of served the country from a FOXHOLE if he really was patriotic and not just arrogant. He DISQUALIFIED himself by his history.

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

September 8th, 2012
3:41 pm

Virginia won a close one over PSU. Exciting game, but sloppy plays.

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:41 pm

K’CHAK

Kinda interesting what it is you have to come up with for terminologies given the conditions of a situation, eh?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:42 pm

Why does everyone leave out last in education, but FIRST in bank failures.

Geesh read the news guys LOL

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:44 pm

William

“He also participated in converting peoples religion after they died ”

He did? Citation please….

Thinking For Myself

September 8th, 2012
3:45 pm

Why are you GOPers always so quick to resort to name calling? Really, a polite exchange of ideas and beliefs, between 2 or more adults should dissolve into such childish behavior. FYI, Hellcat, since “didn’t raise no” is a double negative, you are stating your mother did raise foolish children!

Jm

September 8th, 2012
3:45 pm

Thanks Obama. Here comes the real full police state.

http://rt.com/usa/news/fbi-recognition-system-ngi-640/

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:47 pm

ZamVet

“Your selective outrage is cute, jo.”

Just following your example…

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:48 pm

Thinking

Well, she DOES wear combat boots and dresses him/her funny… :-)

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:49 pm

COMMON SENSE

“Why does everyone leave out last in education, but FIRST in bank failures”

Are you suggesting there is a connection? Nyah, surely not…

josef

September 8th, 2012
3:55 pm

JM

Police state? Quo vadis, Habeas Corpus…? Brought to you by Bush II and seconded by Obama…one of those “little things” that make me question whether or not to vote for him…

Brosephus™

September 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

dB: They’ve tried to claim he lied about his country of birth, for cryin’ out loud.

I have my own views on that, and I think that Obama may have indeed been able to get accepted to US colleges as a foreign student. One has to consider the following…

CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH

A person is a citizen by birth if at the date of his or her birth; one of the parents is or was a citizen of Kenya. This is regardless of where the person is or was born.

Section 30 of part 6 of the constitution provides how persons born before 12th December, 1963 became citizens by birth.

When you go to the Constitution of Kenya and read up on citizenship, there’s this part in Chapter 6:

Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963

Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.

I was thinking about this while talking with the Mrs. Brosephus about obtaining a passport from Germany for her since she has dual citizenship by birth. Based on law, Obama became a citizen of Kenya as of December 12, 1963 by virtue of his father. Unless he has renounced that citizenship, he still has dual citizenship. He still meets the Constitutional qualifications of being a Natural Born US Citizen by birth, so he’s still eligible to be the president. He could, in theory, also apply for anything as a Kenyan national since he also has citizenship of that country by birth as well.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

September 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

josef

Only the ones who seem to be on the state banking committee but was a director of one of the failed banks.

Nope no connection to that whole idea that some banks directors were developers that borrowed from those banks during the 00’s and went belly up.

Nope I don’t see any connections to the STOOPID and BANK FAILURES. :-)

And of course the FDIC insured both parties deposits (DAMN THOSE GOV’T INSURERS)