Gallup documents good post-convention jump for Obama
Mitt Romney got what you call a dead-cat bounce coming out of the 2012 Republican Convention in Tampa Bay. According to the folks at Gallup, Barack Obama has done a whole lot better.
His job approval number now stands at 52 percent, a nine-point jump since late August. Nothing in the news cycle — other than the convention — could account for an improvement that significant. The same is true of the head-to-head contest with Romney, where Obama has transformed a two-point deficit into a four-point advantage.
In the battle of the conventions, in other words, Obama and the Democrats are the decisive victors. Nonetheless, I expect the race to tighten again as the post-convention aura fades, with the next possible inflection point coming on Oct. 3.
That’s the date of the first presidential debate at the University of Denver.
– Jay Bookman
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Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
6:48 pm
josef
I stopped by and picked up skydog’s softball bat.
If it was good enough for Machine Gun Ronnie Thompson’s troops it was good enough for me.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
6:50 pm
NoCom
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.
I won’t post the definitions they have in relation to government and politics. I don’t want Jay to be held liable for brains exploding all over the country for that. I can guarantee you that the self-labeled conservatives here who engage in the chest-thumping will pitch a fit over those definitions as it means that, if they were true to their rhetoric, they would be the walking, talking defintion of a liberal. Since they’ve used that word as a nasty explicative, there’s no way in hell that their ego’s will let them describe themselves using the “L” word.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
6:51 pm
getalife 6:44 – zee attempts to throw lots of sheet against the wall and see what sticks, itz will not work
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
6:52 pm
“Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.”
well we know this part isn’t true
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
6:53 pm
bro 6:50 – you think you’re funny obviously
you’re not. the sarcasm comedy schtick doesn’t suit you and just comes off as dumb
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
6:54 pm
zee attempts to throw lots of sheet against the wall and see what sticks, itz will not work
Sez the rapid fire bloomberg troll.
Too funny!
getalife
September 9th, 2012
6:54 pm
jm,
Just the truth.
Try it you will like it.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
6:55 pm
Bro
I kinda like Progressive better.
Making progress vs the other option of 8 more years, 8 more years (of W)
josef
September 9th, 2012
6:56 pm
JM
“…well we know this part isn’t true…”
Really? I won’t challenge you to a “gift off” contest since it’s against my religion to do so, but I will say this, when it comes to “giving” neither side is any better or any worse than the other.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
6:58 pm
bro 6:50 – you think you’re funny obviously
you’re not. the sarcasm comedy schtick doesn’t suit you and just comes off as dumb
Nothing I said there was intended to be some comedy schtick. Why not click on that link, read the definitions of liberal in regards to government and politics, and see for yourself? If you start right after I ended, you have the definition for liberally, and then you get to the section I was referring to.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
6:58 pm
this piece, written by a democrat today, qualifies as delusional
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/business/cutting-the-deficit-compassionately-economic-view.html?_r=1
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 9th, 2012
6:59 pm
Well you can argue about the definition of a liberal, but I believe JFK said it best:
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” …
I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.
G Mare
September 9th, 2012
7:04 pm
This a really good discussion; I hope we can keep it going. Just one small question: could someone enlighten me re the black box thing? Yes, I did try google. Thanks.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:04 pm
Keep
You’re a Bleeding Heart LIBRUL
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:05 pm
josef 6:56
read up
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=2
“Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.
Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.”
G Mare
September 9th, 2012
7:05 pm
Oh, and hi everyone!
Ima Obama Freeloader
September 9th, 2012
7:05 pm
libs read…
Original Chinese Proverb:
“Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime”
New White House Proverb:
Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with unlimited free minutes, cash for his clunker, food stamps, section 8 housing, free contraceptives, Medicaid, ninety-nine weeks of unemployment, free meds, and he will vote for Democrats the rest of his life…even after he’s deceased.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:06 pm
G Mare
we only talk about little black boxes in the quiet rooms
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
7:07 pm
Christina D. Romer is an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and was the chairwoman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers.
Looks like our bloomberg troll has achievement envy.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:07 pm
G Mare
The Little Black Box thing is an idea I’m debating about starting my own blog. It goes back to a long running dialogue that josef and I have in regards to labels we apply to others and how we self-label ourselves. Those labels tend to box us into a stereotype of who we’re supposed to be as opposed to who we are. Many times people fall victim to those lables, thereby stuffing themselves into little boxes. I can’t remember exactly what was said that brought up the little black boxes name, but it fits neatly into our ongoing discussion.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 9th, 2012
7:07 pm
Common, by the “standards” of many of the posters here, I would likely be “extreme left”…. but of course that is not reality.
I would be proud to stand for the liberalism of JFK and ashamed to be what most claim to be their “conservatism”.
kayaker 71
September 9th, 2012
7:09 pm
Keep, 6:59,
That might be JFK’s definition but it doesn’t come close to what is happening today. JFK would be appalled at where his party has taken itself. I voted for JFK in 1960. He said a lot of things that appealed to those who care about their country but he wasn’t the far left Marxist that occupies the WH today. JFK had an abiding love for this country. Bozo has an abiding hate for this country and everything it stands for. The Democratic party has had itself hijacked and the result is not pretty. Liberalism comes nowhere close to what is happening today. It is Marxism and socialism which JFK would have not tolerated. He might have scored with Marilyn Monroe in the WH swimming pool but be was no Marxist.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:10 pm
government crowds out charitable giving, it is a sad fact.
when people get over-taxed, they give less to charity.
government is generally not the answer, it is often the problem.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
7:10 pm
Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with unlimited free minutes, cash for his clunker, food stamps, section 8 housing, free contraceptives, Medicaid, ninety-nine weeks of unemployment, free meds…
And the prom dress/burka.
You guys always forget the prom dress/burka.
Geez….
JKL2
September 9th, 2012
7:11 pm
kamchak- The desperate last refuge when the argument can’t be refuted
flip robme says,”What?”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 9th, 2012
7:11 pm
Yak,
if you voted for JFK, you ought to be ashamed of that post at 7:09 for the lies and false claims.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:14 pm
@ 7:10 pm
government crowds out charitable giving, it is a sad fact.
when people get over-taxed, they give less to charity.
@ 7:05 pm
“Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.
Anybody wondering as to who pays taxes and who doesn’t based on those statements?
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:14 pm
JM
I’m aware of that study…and you’re missing an important “little” thing…a lot, if not most, who are givers do not put price tags on it and don’t talk about it…
Not long ago we were out riding around in the country and saw a woman with two children well, begging, at the exit. Neither Unmentionable nor I can pass by when there are children involved. Anyway, another car stops, fellow gets out who would fit anybody’s stereotype of a country fried Bubba. He handed her a rolled up bill and some bottles of water. Yeah, I admit it, I was paying attention to the denomination as she unrolled it and put it in her wallet…it was a $100,,,I made our own gift and chatted a minute with the kids…neither of us “reported” that dollar value charity, I’m pretty sure. But giving? The water and the chit chat to give the children some dignity? Is that not also “giving?”
Stop putting a dollar value on morality and kind heartedness…
bman
September 9th, 2012
7:16 pm
Bro .. .. You should try to join up as a contributor on some site – like patch. You write some pretty good stuff.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
7:17 pm
flip robme says,”What?”
And of course you can verify where I have posted that, right?
If not run along little one.
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:17 pm
K’CHAK
@ 7:10
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:17 pm
Yaker
At least his daughter knows him better than you do.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/09/09/caroline-kennedy-obama-has-the-kind-of-courage-her-father-admired/
kayaker 71
September 9th, 2012
7:18 pm
Keep, 7:11.
Voted for Clinton in 1996 as well. Couldn’t see Dole as the president of this country. These are not lies or false claims. Your party has been hijacked, pure and simple. Bozo is so far left that there is no hope for a responsible Democratic party. You have surrendered. That’s why I am a conservative. Couldn’t seem to cope with where my party had taken itself.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:18 pm
bman
What’s patch?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
7:21 pm
What’s patch?
A character from the 60s era film strip shown at school.
Patch the Pony says, “Nay, from strangers stay stay away.”
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:22 pm
josef 7:14 – sorry, money feeds hungry mouths
Mr_B
September 9th, 2012
7:23 pm
josef: Most of the charitable folks I know don’t need to keep track of what they’re giving. For the feds or for anybody else.
bman
September 9th, 2012
7:24 pm
Bro… … http://marietta.patch.com/
I don’t know how many cities they are in, but they seem to be gaining some following. I check every now and then to see the local stuff, see what others are saying, and then compare it to what I know.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 9th, 2012
7:24 pm
Yakup smearenough (
) , you are the one who has who surrender to the delulsions of your own paranoia… but hey good luck to you. You’re going to need it.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:24 pm
kay 71 7:18 – I hear ya
Northern Liberal is a disaster.
I can deal with Northern Conservative just fine.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:25 pm
Jm
Yep, every dime that goes to United Way, etc, goes DIRECTLY to feeding and helping people.
LOL. talk about delusional
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:25 pm
Mr B…
Shalom. Exactly.
JM
And hungry spirits?
G Mare
September 9th, 2012
7:26 pm
Thanks to Common & Bro for responding. Bro, what do I have to do to join that discussion?
Kam, prom dress burka? While it may have been mentioned here before, I LOVE it! Tho you may have left out the steak laden carts at Whole Foods. Seems to me there were other things along that line. Hmm, prom dress, burka, steaks, Whole Foods…. Oh, fat person paying with EBT while there are ablebodied kids in the car. SIGH!
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:26 pm
Kam
When I googled patch, I found the site that I think bman was referring to. I also got a link for birth control patches. I didn’t get a link for the character though.
JKL2
September 9th, 2012
7:27 pm
They love our president!
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/04/communist-party-endorses-obama-2012
http://www.examiner.com/article/venezuela-s-hugo-chavez-endorses-barack-obama-for-president
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:30 pm
JKL
The Communist Party USA endorsed Obama? Both members?
kayaker 71
September 9th, 2012
7:32 pm
Common, 7:17,
I don’t believe it. I don’t think that any thinking Democrat would believe that trash. I think that there are a lot of Democrats that are really, really upset with where Bozo is taking this country. I am surprised that there are not more on this blog. A product of Frank Marshall Davis and Reverend Wright would have not appealed to Kennedy. He was too traditional, too much of a patriot. Truman, no doubt, has rolled over in his grave at some to the things that are happening today. Clinton begrudgingly gives speeches in support of Bozo but he hates where Bozo has taken this country as well. Hillary cannot stand where traditional liberalism has been taken with Bozo in power. This is not her bag but she “supports” him as well. Clinton had his warts but he was a decent president. Bozo has his warts but he is a disaster.
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:33 pm
Osama Bin Laden stated today that he was supporting Mitt Romney for President of the USA since Romney stated he didn’t think it was worth moving heaven and earth to find him.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:33 pm
G Mare
Feel free to contribute anytime. Every now and then, you may find josef and I go off on a tangent in regards to labels. Sometime’s it may be an obvious tangent, while other times it might not be.
—————
Mr_B
I can’t recall my wife and I making very minimal deductions for charitable giving on our taxes. We usually sit down with Turbotax, and the only thing we’ve ever put on there was church giving. We’ve tried to feed a family each Thanksgiving and Christmas and provide gifts as well for Christmas each year since I started working for Customs. When preparing our taxes, we’ve never stopped to think about how much we spent for food or gifts. I don’t really even care about getting any part of that money back. If it’s given with the intent of getting some or all of it back, is it really charity in the first place?
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
josef 7:25 – those need feeding too
You’ll probably have to wait on another study that shows democrats volunteer more hours than republicans….. I’m not aware of one.
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
Kayaker
So, Hillary “supports” him? Well she is a party person and he is the party nominee. Why would she not. Don’t you “support” the candidate of your party?
bman
September 9th, 2012
7:35 pm
Bro .. .. I only mentioned that because: if you do start a blog, it will be difficult to drive traffic to your site. As a contributor. Your blog would get noticed more easily.
Then again, Mister Bookman would know more about that sort of stuff.
Mr_B
September 9th, 2012
7:35 pm
Back when I was a member of the Socialist Workers Party there was a rumor that J. Edgar Hoover had once recalled all the FBI agents who had managed to infiltrate various Communist Party of America organizations. The CPA completely disappeared from 15 western states.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:36 pm
Common, 7:17,
I don’t believe it.
NoCom
And now you have been hit with the Ramses defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:36 pm
If it’s given with the intent of getting some or all of it back, is it really charity in the first place?
That’s the true meaning of charity
JKL2
September 9th, 2012
7:39 pm
taxpayer- Private sector jobs in Feb 2001(first full month for Bush): 111,623,000
Private sector jobs in Aug 2012(latest month for Obama): 111,400,000
Good thing the US population has decreased the last 11 years…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
7:39 pm
G Mare
There was a story in the news about rural girls in the poorest county in the nation buying expensive prom dresses while receiving food stamps. I misremember how the burkas came into it — a shame really ’cause it wasn’t that long ago.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/poorest-county-in-america-celebrates-prom-photos-here-are-the-welfare-queens-and-food-stamp-slack/question-2624558/?page=2
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SoCo/Bro
Us old timers remember Patch the Pony
http://www.retroist.com/2009/11/18/patch-the-pony-says-“nay-nay”-and-strangers-“stay-stay-away”/
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
Bro
here is a hint. You find the Ramses defense next to the Trojan defense at the drug store
A little late, but for next time DADDY
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
bman
Thanks for the wisdom. I had not really thought about traffic. When I was younger, I used writing as a way to release whatever feelings I had bottled up. Sometimes it was poetry, and other times it was short stories. Several times I had writings that were discovered by my teachers who then wanted to use them for programs and such. I never really kept a journal or collection of them since it was more of a release mechanism as opposed to something I did in the hopes of spreading them to others.
I’ll have to look at the contributor route as that sounds like a way to get feedback on things that I would want to throw out for others to give opinions to or add information.
Mr_B
September 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
Brosephus™: One of the really great thing about this country is the fact that so many of us are so generous, regardless of political persuasion. There is no “left” or “right” about meeting needs when you see them, and a hell of a lot of Americans recognize that fact.
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
JM
Again, Mec, you are completely missing the point that for the OVERWHELMING majority of us, one’s political philosophy doesn’t enter into it. Does somebody keep records of the “affiliation” of the millions and millions of dollars that we Americans give when a tragedy strikes our fellow citizens or those from abroad?
I don’t know if you’re religious or not, but even if you’re not, you might want to revisit the parable of the widow’s mite…
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
“If it’s given with the intent of getting some or all of it back, is it really charity in the first place?”
Good point. Which emphasizes that Social Security and Medicare aren’t currently programs of charity (as they were intended), but rather now, programs driven by greed.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:43 pm
josef – and here is my point that you’re missing, that is backed up by facts and data:
Republicans give more than Democrats. They more charitable. They help their fellow neighbor more. They assign less value to money than to their fellow human being’s welfare.
It flies in the face of the liberal self-identity, but its true. Its probably a hard truth for liberals and democrats to swallow. But its true.
—–
suck it up greedy democrats and repent your greed.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
7:43 pm
Kam
I’ve gotta watch that one. I don’t remember that one from the 80’s. I remember Schoolhouse Rock and the ABC After School Specials though.
—————
NoCom
I can’t do nothing but laugh at that one. If you were here though, I would have thrown something at you for that one….
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:43 pm
K’CHAK
It was when HE WHOSE NAME came in with his tale of the woman in the burka at the park on a hot summer day playing with her kids…
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:45 pm
JM
And even if I am weakening my own argument here, I would posit that the Republicans are more prone to take the deductions for their charitable giving…thus, the data,,,,
kayaker 71
September 9th, 2012
7:45 pm
joseph, 7:34,
Nope. Not when they are straying too far from reality. Couldn’t stand Nixon so voted for Kennedy. Couldn’t stand Bob Dole, so voted for Clinton. Supporting your party is nice in prospective but when reality strikes and your country is on the ropes, you should not sell it out for some kind of misplaced ideology. I am really surprised that you would make a statement like that.
bman
September 9th, 2012
7:46 pm
Bro .. .. Keep us updated. I would certainly visit your site.
Lots of people here write some pretty good stuff…reps and dems. Jamvet is one. Besides arguing an issue, I wonder which poster here has been the most accurate over the last year on the economy, things happening around the globe etc…
Maybe Mister Bookman knows
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
SoCo/Bro
It was a filmstrip shown at school. Filmstrips were strips of stills loaded into a special projector that were hand cranked and came with an accompanying LP with a “ping” as a cue to crank to the next panel
G Mare
September 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
Watched Caroline Kennedy’s speech. She is not a gifted speaker, but her words were nonetheless inspiring. Must admit I cried when she talked about her father & her uncles. Oh, I so remember ‘63 & ‘68. It was all the more moving when I remembered JonJon saluting his father’s casket. That Caroline is the only survivor – both parents & brother are gone…. Okay, call me a bleeding heart; I’d rather be that than a “stone cold heart.”
gm
September 9th, 2012
7:51 pm
Who in the world would vote for a guy who has sent American jobs overseas? now, Mitt is claiming he would keep some of Obama care because he knows Americans are benefiting from this.
During the primaries he told the wing nut jobs on the right he would get rid of all Obama care and did not like any thing in it, how can anybody trust this guy? Obama will win big, because there are more informed people in this world then hateful middle class conservative white males”””””
josef
September 9th, 2012
7:51 pm
kayaker
I do stand corrected in your individual case. I keep forgetting that you are always full of a few surprises! My bad…
AND JM
Jews give more to charity than other groups. So we should all become Jews? But wait, then we’d have to vote for the Democrats…and all the menfolks would have to make a little “extra” donation…
I’m so confused…
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
7:52 pm
well since Mitt deducted his wife’s horse we can assume he deducted every single dime he gave to charity.
Mind you thats not illegal just doesn’t seem like what most NORMAL people do.
TaxPayer
September 9th, 2012
7:53 pm
JKL2,
Do not try to make an unrelated claim regarding the US population by taking my post regarding private sector employment out of context and distorting it to fit your version of reality. If you wish to make a claim about the population, then pull up some relevant data on the topic. And if you do not agree with my statement that Obama created those jobs, then talk to your Republican leaders and get them to admit that no president “creates” jobs. Otherwise, Bush destroyed jobs and Obama created jobs as the records show. My post stands and you can even pull up the data for yourself at bls.gov:
TaxPayer
September 9th, 2012
5:42 pm
Private Sector Jobs
Under Bush:
Private sector jobs in Feb 2001(first full month for Bush): 111,623,000
Private sector jobs in Jan 2009(last month for Bush): 110,985,000
Net Private Sector jobs under Bush: -638,000
Under Our President Obama:
Private sector jobs in Feb 2009(first full month for Obama): 110,260,000
Private sector jobs in Aug 2012(latest month for Obama): 111,400,000
Net Private Sector jobs under Obama to date: +1,140,000
Our President Obama has succeeded in creating private sector jobs while Bush destroyed private sector jobs. Bush is a failure. The GOP is a failure.
JamVet
September 9th, 2012
7:55 pm
Give a Georgia Republican ninety-nine weeks of unemployment and he is damn sure gonna need more.
Hat tip to the last two Republican administrations here who have “helped” Georgians “recover” from the Bush Depression…
bman
September 9th, 2012
7:58 pm
“Who in the world would vote for a guy who has sent American jobs overseas?”
General Motors has been outsourcing 90% of their IT force for years and years. Now, they are finally beginning to bring them back. But, they say it will take 5 years to do so.
I doubt it took them 5 years to send the jobs away. But, assuming GM is still around 5 years from now, that will be a good thing.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
7:59 pm
“So we should all become Jews?”
I’m all for it josef.
Jm (LL)
September 9th, 2012
8:01 pm
“I would posit that the Republicans are more prone to take the deductions for their charitable giving…thus, the data,,,,”
unsubstantiated.
Mr_B
September 9th, 2012
8:02 pm
“poorest county in the nation buying expensive prom dresses while receiving food stamps.”
And for some of those kids, the prom will be the absolute high point of happiness in an otherwise pretty shabby life. At most high schools, they get two chances; once as juniors and once as seniors. For a lot of kids, just staying in school for 11 years is a hell of an achievement.
Is it a foolish use of resources? Sure. But so is a yacht, or a polo pony, or a Cuban cigar.
JamVet
September 9th, 2012
8:06 pm
“So we should all become Jews?”
Please!!!!
No quasi-fascist neocons in our tribe…
Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common
September 9th, 2012
8:06 pm
bman
Many companies who have offshored the IT jobs for the last 10 years are starting to bring them back.
The reason is the low quality product produced offshore.
I just hope they don’t up the number of H1b visas given out to make up for the difference. That will still be a low quality product, but it is what the politicians make it.
josef
September 9th, 2012
8:06 pm
JM
Okay, ready for the snip-snip? Ready to vote Democrat?
and @ 8:01
Wonder why I used the verb “would posit…” Silly me…
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Obama and jobs…no, we’re not where we’d like to be, but at least we’re not hemorrhaging them the way we were when he went in….
josef
September 9th, 2012
8:09 pm
Mr B
One of our more liberal posters from Up North was posting, a bit snidely, about how he couldn’t understand why the signs he kept seeing celebrating Johnny’s or Mary Sue’s graduation from high school, using it as a swipe at the South’s level of education. He literally could not grasp just what an achievement that can be for many of us…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
8:09 pm
Mr_B
Nor do I begrudge that experience for those young women. The prom dress has become another in that litany of items found in the grocery cart of that big __________ woman paying with food stamps standing in front of so many people at Whole Foods
josef
September 9th, 2012
8:10 pm
ZamVet
Well, not beyond the 15-20% quota anyway!
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
8:13 pm
Kam
Were those the same things as slides?
http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/1707/7814slide_projector.jpg
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
8:15 pm
SoCo/Bro
Yep, that’s it.
G Mare
September 9th, 2012
8:16 pm
Jam@7:55, yeah, and most of us keep votin’ for ‘em. Earlier, someone praised Mr. Chambliss. Seriously? The man who dissed Max Cleland who lost three limbs in Viet Nam as UNPATRIOTIC?? I will NEVER forgive Chambliss for that. Not that it matters much; GA fools keep voting for him. Not to mention Gingrey. SIGH!!
josef
September 9th, 2012
8:18 pm
K’CHAK
Oh, my…I knew what filmstrips were and now you’re having to define them to the youngsters (who are themselves approaching d’un certain age…I feel so old…
Meanwhile...
September 9th, 2012
8:18 pm
Forget four years ago: We’re worse off than in 2011
By Stephen Gandel, senior editorSeptember 7, 2012
The jobs numbers show the economy is headed in the wrong direction.
FORTUNE — There’s a lot of debate about whether or not we are better off than we were four years ago. But here’s one thing that we can say for sure after this month’s weak jobs report: Compared to a year ago, we are most certainly worse off….
…the pace of people dropping out of the workforce is up too. That number rose by 2.7 million in the past year, or a half a million more than a year before that. Yes, some of those people voluntarily retired. But a good percentage of those people have just given up. That’s probably the best gauge of optimism in the economy that there is. If you don’t believe you can land a job, you basically don’t believe in the economy. And as long as the number of people who lose faith in the economy is rising, it’s hard to make the case that we’re better off.
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
8:19 pm
Kam
Ok. I remember those, but not that particular character. I feel cheated. Any horse that can sell a positive message while wearing a patch over it’s eye has got to be one kick ass horse!!!
josef
September 9th, 2012
8:19 pm
G-MARE
@ 8:16
Me, either…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 9th, 2012
8:20 pm
josef
Are you familiar with Patch the Pony?
bman
September 9th, 2012
8:20 pm
Common .. .. I’m not so sure about the quality of the product. I would argue that it’s the service side of the product that is, and has been, lacking.
josef
September 9th, 2012
8:21 pm
K’CHAK
I missed that one…
Meanwhile...
September 9th, 2012
8:23 pm
Nearly 17 million Americans suffered from “very low food security,” meaning they had to reduce the amount they ate, saying the food they bought did not last and they didn’t have the funds to buy more. They typically found themselves in this situation a few days a month for seven months of the year.
The number of people in this category shot up by more than 800,000 from 2010, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture report released Wednesday. Women living alone, black households and the poor and near-poor were affected the most.
The report comes the day after the department said that a record 46.7 million received food stamps in June.
getalife
September 9th, 2012
8:23 pm
corporate and rw media are desperately trying to tell you it is not over.
It is and now it is time to hold the gop accountable for the costs to our country for their obstruction.
They should have united after the collapse to fight for our recovery but decided to get our President for this election.
Vote out the failed gop congress and vote for our President.
Mr_B
September 9th, 2012
8:24 pm
josef and Kam: If I ran things (which I thank G*d daily that I don’t), it would be prohibited from criticizing the poor unless you’ve had to depend on SNAP payments for a year or two.
There but for His grace….
Brosephus™
September 9th, 2012
8:27 pm
bman
If I decide to make that step, I’ll let you know. Most of it has to do with getting clearance from the employer. Anything I do is perceived to reflect upon my employer, so we have to make sure everything’s ok before we can participate in many activities that others take for granted.
Jm
September 9th, 2012
8:31 pm
60 minutes seal team 6 interview
Very interesting