Behind the Obama-Clinton alliance, a shared experience
I find it endlessly amusing to watch Republicans all but swoon these days when they hear the names of former President Bill Clinton and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as if to say “now THOSE are Democrats we could work with… if only we had reasonable Democratic leaders like THAT.”
Because as anyone with memories that stretch back to the ’90s can tell you, that is decidedly not how the Clintons were treated at the time.
The president was reviled and attacked bitterly, for failures both real but mainly imagined, and was granted not a scintilla of respect for the office that he held. In fact, the extremist hatred of all things Clinton became downright surreal, to the point that the president and his wife were investigated by the House Government Oversight Committee for involvement in the “murder” of aide Vince Foster. The committee chairman even took a pistol to a watermelon in his backyard to demonstrate how the vile deed was done.
Republican congressional leaders shut down the government repeatedly in their effort to bring Clinton down, and he was publicly accused of everything from rape — yes, “legitimate rape” — to running a major cocaine ring. Hillary Clinton in particular was turned into an object of misogynistic hate and ridicule, under attack for everything from her cookie-baking skills to her gender preference. Republicans at the time could not bring themselves to even utter her first name without spitting it out as a venom-inflected invective.
In other words, the Republicans tried to do to the Clintons precisely what they have since tried so gleefully to do to Barack Obama. And while Obama and the Clintons have a competitive history of their own, tracing back to the 2008 Democratic primaries in which Obama defeated the former First Lady, I suspect their shared experience as targets of “the vast right-wing conspiracy,” as Hillary put it, forms a bond between them. Surely, neither of the Clintons harbors the slightest doubt that if Hillary had become the nominee, they once again would have become the targets of blind rage and anger.
On Wednesday, Bill Clinton will perform an unusual role for a former president, officially putting the name of Barack Obama before the Democratic National Convention for confirmation as its 2012 nominee for president. It will be a closely watched speech, delivered by one president who has been through the fire on behalf of a second who still finds himself engulfed in it.
– Jay Bookman
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Jay
September 4th, 2012
8:21 am
I’m traveling today, so posting will be light. Unfortunately, so will supervision, and a few of you over the holiday weekend let things get too personal and vindictive. Please keep a civil tongue and address issues and politicians, not each other’s character.
OR ELSE!!!
HDB
September 4th, 2012
8:21 am
Jay…an appropriate and accurate sentiment…….
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
8:23 am
“Republican congressional leaders shut down the government repeatedly in their effort to bring Clinton down, and he was publicly accused of everything from rape — yes, “legitimate rape” — to running a major cocaine ring.”
one of my favorites was that he was personally responsible for the Ron Brown plane crash.
oy to the vey.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
8:24 am
I nominate Paul to keep everyone in line.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 4th, 2012
8:26 am
Sure did miss those slam bang speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney last week…..
Ok, I’m just kidding.
Gale
September 4th, 2012
8:27 am
Well, if Republicans are saying the Clintons were easier to work with, then the Obamas must be doing a good job of thwarting their smear attempts.
Fly-On-The-Wall
September 4th, 2012
8:30 am
All we have to do is look back to the 2008 primary tape of a woman asking McCain “how do we beat the B!TCH”. So no one can say that things had gotten any better in the 8 years since the Clinton’s left the White House. I actually think that all of this negative energy isn’t personal but it is just directed at anything that isn’t Republic. They will gather all of their negative energy and direct it at any and all things that do not come from the Republic party. So it really doesn’t matter which Democratic person is in the White House, they will have the same negative feelings for that person, their family, friends, and anyone else they can drag into the Republic sesspool just because that person puts a ‘D’ after their name.
Brad Steel
September 4th, 2012
8:31 am
Yep, the republican hate machine really reach cruise speed during the Clinton administration. The murder, rape and lesbian claims have all been dusted off and just re-crafted into foreigner, terrorists and thinly veiled racism.
Regardless of your political leanings, it is hard to deny that these types of attacks make the party look really stupid.
JamVet
September 4th, 2012
8:34 am
Life in the post-Nut Gingrich GOP.
Mentally lacking and verbally abusive.
Throw is some unapologetic, deadly incompetence and generally immoral liars by the score and voila! You end up with Bush/Cheney…
Brosephus™
September 4th, 2012
8:35 am
Well, those who enjoy themselves a bit of revisionist history will say you’re completely wrong about the Clinton years in office. I find it sad that a party that once had highly respected intellectuals in it’s membership has devolved to a party that been reduced to to nothing beyond attack, attack hard, and attack often.
We really need both parties to be vibrant and productive. If one throws off the balance, then the entire system goes into dysfunction. I still have yet to understand or hear an explanation why a party that believes that government is the problem wants to actively participate in that same government. Does that mean they are part of the problem too? I suspect the answer would be yes, but you’ll never hear a single politician admit as much.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 4th, 2012
8:35 am
I find it amusing that Democrat’s act like they respected Bush when he the President.
Pot = Kettle
I don’t see any respect from either side.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
8:36 am
“Yep, the republican hate machine really reach cruise speed during the Clinton administration. ”
corresponding with the rise of talk radio.
no coinkidink
alittlecommonsense
September 4th, 2012
8:37 am
Yes, almost exactly like the vicious hate filled attacks pointed toward GW Bush. He got just as much as Clinton did. Obama and Bush Sr. have were / are both treated delicately in comparison.
N-GA
September 4th, 2012
8:37 am
The F-Right (far right) feeds their base using the same ugly tactics as tabloid papers use to feed their illiterate “readers”.
Bob Loblaw
September 4th, 2012
8:37 am
C’mon, Jay. You were doing well until you broke out “vast, right-wing conspiracy”. That was her lowest political moment–blaming rumors of her husband’s cheating with a college intern on the Republicans. There was no conspiracy.
Doggone/GA
September 4th, 2012
8:39 am
“Does that mean they are part of the problem too?”
What they can’t seem to see is the last step in the logical progression of what they SAY they believe:
1.) Government is the problem
2.) elect me to government
3.) government can become the solution
Mick
September 4th, 2012
8:40 am
steve
Remember, the previous president lost the popular vote, what did you expect?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 4th, 2012
8:41 am
Let’s see….
No featuring of previous administration at RNC….
Loads of well, Bush did a lousy job….
It’s as if BUSH is a four letter word.
And now they wonder why we had little or no respect for W.
Just amazing.
Fly-On-The-Wall
September 4th, 2012
8:41 am
There’s a bit of a difference with comparing the Clinton hate with Bush hate (or you can replace hate with rage if that is a better word). Virtually all of the ‘rage’ at Clinton was based on total falsehoods while the ‘rage’ at Bush was based on the falsehoods he presented to this nation.
Joseph
September 4th, 2012
8:41 am
How could you write this tripe Jay considering how you and your fruitloop followers attack President Bush all the time? Clintoon had the morals of a jackrabbit and received much deserved attacks just on that matter. He did reach across the isle because it was what was best for the country. Obama’s far left ideology won’t allow him to do so. I’ll certainly tune in this week just so I can hear the vile hatred spewed toward Republicans and Conservatives. It will be on full display I’m sure and the American people will reject it resoundingly as evident by the polls. I’m still waiting on the answer from Obama and his surrogates though. “Are you better off now than when he assumed office”?
barking frog
September 4th, 2012
8:42 am
Clinton is and was a jerk who
aided by another jerk, Newt,
flushed his presidency down
the toilet and did more hurt
to the poor than any other
President in recent times.
Obama is mistakenly embracing that jerkiness.
Since the GOP didn’t, he
should invite G W Bush to
nominate him in tandem
with Clinton. Two Jerks
Forward.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 4th, 2012
8:43 am
Bill Clinton ………. the only president to ever actually LOSE the top secret codes for the nuclear football carried by his military aid. The same one who accused Obama of playing the “race card” against Hillary and the same one who told Ted Kennedy, “a few years ago he would have been carrying our bags”?
That said, it’s the old “frog in the kettle” syndrome. The “Clinton Co-Presidency” was horrible at the time ………… it’s just that the current one is so bad it’s hard to fathom that.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
8:43 am
“I find it amusing that Democrat’s act like they respected Bush when he the President.”
see: Luckovich’s “no fighting back” cartoon
JamVet
September 4th, 2012
8:44 am
corresponding with the rise of talk radio.
Yep, depravity based entertainment and lies, masquerading as information for the morally challenged dittosheep…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 4th, 2012
8:44 am
Joseph:
“How could you write this tripe Jay ……………… ?”
Because it’s “Obama for President Campaign thread” #217.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 4th, 2012
8:44 am
see: Luckovich’s “no fighting back” cartoon
No Thanks.
Doggone/GA
September 4th, 2012
8:45 am
I find it amusing that the local cons are so busy proving Jay’s point for him.
MiltonMan
September 4th, 2012
8:45 am
The world according to Jay: All Democrats = Good; All Republicans = bad.
I guess Jay has all but forgotten about the Hildabeast’s lame attempt to sweep slick willies indiscretions under the carpet on some vast right wing conspiracy.
Mick
September 4th, 2012
8:47 am
Are we better off than four years ago? “This sucker could go down”, Sept 08 – there’s your answer…
Gordon
September 4th, 2012
8:51 am
Clinton was rightfully attacked because he committed a felony while in office (lying under oath). Republicans did work with him after they took control two years into his administration, and a lot got done those last 6 years.
It will be fun watching Democrats trying to put lipstick on the pig of the Obama administration’s record this week.
Karl Marx
September 4th, 2012
8:51 am
“They played the race card on me”, Bill Clinton 2008. Yep it sure is a “Shared Experience”. Given to you by the “most open administration” Ever! Except maybe Carter….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 4th, 2012
8:52 am
Jay:
And since you brought it up, you mean the same Bill Clinton who had women bring much more serious charges against him (not including Monica) than was ever brought up about Herman Cain.
Talk about a double standard.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 4th, 2012
8:53 am
Gordon @ 8:51
Thank you.
Joseph
September 4th, 2012
8:53 am
Doggone/GA:
The point is Clintoon wasn’t a bad President. he certainly lacked morals. There’s no denying that. But the thing is he despises Obama. Remember he said “this guy would have been carrying my bags years ago”? He’s between a rock and a hard place though. He wants Hillary to run and the only possible way she could win in 2016 is for Obama to win. If Romney wins and things turn around like they probably would at a much faster pace she wouldn’t really have a chance.
TaxPayer
September 4th, 2012
8:55 am
What! No comments about if we had not picked on poor old G.W. Bush, the cons would not have picked on Obama or if we had not picked on Nixon and impeached his sorry buttocks, none of this vindictiveness would have ever started at all.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
September 4th, 2012
8:55 am
Hate is the glue that holds the Republican pahhty together.
but mainstream ‘merka wants a divorce, cons
they’re just not that into you anymore
they’re entering the ‘crazy uncle in the corner’ phase
TiredOfIt
September 4th, 2012
8:55 am
Any party that touts their love of Ayn Rand is all you need to know.
b-troll
September 4th, 2012
8:55 am
just say no to 4 more years of debauchery in the White House
JDW
September 4th, 2012
8:55 am
@Joseph…”I’m still waiting on the answer from Obama and his surrogates though. “Are you better off now than when he assumed office”?
Got to admit, the response to this question is a perfect example of what frustrates me about the Obama team…for crying out loud people open your mouths!
Stephanie Cutter started a response…
“Let me just walk you through what life was like four years ago right now,” Ms. Cutter said. “In the six months before the president was elected, we lost 3.5 million jobs, wages had been going down for a decade, auto industry on the brink of failure. Our financial system, this is just about the time you’re seeing banks go under. All over America middle-class families were feeling it.” I would have also added that our GDP had shrunk at a rate of more than 6%.
But did not finish so, now let me contrast for you…over the last twelve months we have sustained GDP growth of around 2%, created 1.8 million jobs, bank failures have shrunk to 38 this year from a high of 157, the US Auto industry is thriving and the housing market seems to have finally turned the corner. Are we better off…hell yes!
Now is it good enough…no! Would we be further along had the Republicans focused on fixing problems rather than “making Obama a one term President”…hell yes!
The Republican response had been to create gridlock, manufacture a debt ceiling crisis, fight to lower taxes for the wealthy even though they are at their lowest level as a % of GDP since WW II, propose to trash Medicare and replace it with vouchers and actually include a gold standard study in their party platform.
So are we better off now than four years ago…hell yes…will we be better off four years from now if the President is reelected…hell yes…should we send the Republican in Congress home…hell yes!
Fred ™
September 4th, 2012
8:56 am
You forgot Ron Brown Jay. Remember him? Clinton found a whole Air Force air crew willing to sacrifice their own lives to fly a CT-43 into a mountain so they could “murder” Ron Brown because he was going to roll over on the Clintons about Vince Foster, the cocaine ring, the rapes and maybe even the deviant sex Clinton had with the Aliens housed in Are 51………
FrankLeeDarling
September 4th, 2012
8:57 am
Well at least we have a former president we can invite to the convention and people will be excited to tune in to his speech.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
8:57 am
“4 more years of debauchery in the White House”
debauchery???
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Fred ™
September 4th, 2012
8:58 am
Darn, you beat me to it USinUK lol. I should have read all the comments BEFORE I posted……
JDW
September 4th, 2012
8:58 am
@0311/8541/5811/1811/1801…”The “Clinton Co-Presidency” was horrible at the time”
Indeed, what did you hate worse…the economic growth or the balanced budgets. Maybe it was the fact that raising taxes to a reasonable level actually worked.
RB from Gwinnett
September 4th, 2012
8:58 am
“the extremist hatred….”
That should be the new title of this blog, Jay.
skydog
September 4th, 2012
8:58 am
Gordon -It will be fun watching Democrats trying to put lipstick on the pig of the Obama administration’s record this week.
…some kid with pre-existing leukemia will love that lipstick Gordon.
b-troll
September 4th, 2012
8:59 am
“This sucker could go down”
Still true.
Jay
September 4th, 2012
8:59 am
I offer no defense of Clinton’s behavior with Monica, because it was an act of weakness and self-indulgence that put an awful lot at risk. As I’ve noted before, without that terrible mistake, Al Gore is president in 2000 and we do not invade Iraq and ….
Mick
September 4th, 2012
9:00 am
Republicans are getting nervous because “lyin ryan” is starting to come unglued. If you can’t tell the truth about simple matters your credibility is shot..
H. G. Pennypacker
September 4th, 2012
9:00 am
For the last few months all I have read in these comments is how it the Presidency is about jobs, but with Clinton, it was apparently not about the 250,000 jobs added monthly, it is about his moral weakness.
Looking back, how many conservatives preferred the George W. Bush years to the Clinton years?
Jay’s point will be proven if none prefer peace and prosperity.
b-troll
September 4th, 2012
9:00 am
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman!” -DNC convention speaker
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
9:00 am
Fred – gee – I thought they were just accusing him of conjuring up the storm!!
man behind the curtain
September 4th, 2012
9:01 am
“Hosing down the unwashed masses with the golden nectar of truth.”- Newt Gingrich
See what low tax rates on the rich have spawned? Hint, it ain’t jobs.
Mick
September 4th, 2012
9:02 am
**Al Gore is president in 2000 and we do not invade Iraq and ….
Quite possibly, 911 never happens because all the warnings were ignored by the new administration…
TaxPayer
September 4th, 2012
9:02 am
“Are you better off now than when Obama assumed office”?
Now that the Bush Great Recession is over, Yes, Yes I am better off. Only a Republican would want to go back to living in the Bush Great Recession.
Frederick Douglass
September 4th, 2012
9:02 am
Fly-On-The-Wall @ 8:41
O-U-C-H !
man behind the curtain
September 4th, 2012
9:03 am
Sorry, it wasn’t Gingrinch that said that, it was Neal Bortz, but what’s the difference.
kayaker 71
September 4th, 2012
9:03 am
And Bookman actually has the temerity to suggest that one party is any better at vilifying each other than the other party. The stuff that sticks to the wall is just as prominent in one as it is in the other. We are so polarized in this country that we may never get back to the middle. And Democrats are just as good at making that happen as are Republicans. So, spare us Bookman. We are smarter than that.
JamVet
September 4th, 2012
9:03 am
“Are you better off now than when he assumed office”?
A Ryan parrot???
Hysterical!
Hell to the yes, I’m better off that four years ago! My business has FINALLY recovered from the devastation and is in the best shape ever.
Wake up and look around! The entire nation is doing better! We have backed away from the precipice of the Bush orchestrated corporate destruction of capitalism.
What an imbecilic strategery for him (and you parrots) to even ask that question!!
And you think that you neocons deserve another chance to ruin everything again???
No sale.
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
9:03 am
““I did not have sexual relations with that woman!” -DNC convention speaker”
“I’m pro-choice! No, I’m pro-life! I’m for green investment! no, I’m against it! I’m okay with gay marriage! Nope, I’m not! I’m for going after Bin Laden! Nope, I wouldn’t take him out ” – GOP presidential candidate
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 4th, 2012
9:04 am
Well, so they had a shared experience. I had no idea this Obama got a Lewinsky too. Dang! That woman gets around.
Have a good Tuesday everybody.
DannyX
September 4th, 2012
9:04 am
Jay acts like the Clinton’s weren’t involved in any conspiracies. The fact is they were. Hillary was doing most of the dirty work.
The late great Jerry Falwell exposed the gay purple Teletubby, Tinky Winky. It was a PBS plot that recruited toddlers to the gay lifestyle. Tinky Winky subliminally caused toddlers to become gay. The purple Teletubby is the reason young adults now favor gay marriage.
Hillary had her own PBS scandal. When Bill was in office Hillary was able to get control of the liberal socialist government tv station, PBS. Hillary tried to make the white Teletubby deliver subliminal messages to the young children that would make them cast their vote for president for her when they became young adults. This vast conspiracy almost worked but went all haywire.
The black Teletubby was mistakenly used instead of the white Teletubby. Instead of voting for Hillary the now young adults voted for black Obama. That is the only way a black man could ever have been elected. The plot backfired on Hillary but now we have Obama. I hear Obama is now trying to use the Teletubbies to turn all our kids into Muslims!
The Clinton’s are pure evil. The socialist communist liberal Democrats must be stopped.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 4th, 2012
9:05 am
Ah yes, the Republican play book. And after 8 years of bashing Clinton on just about everything they thought we Dems would just be real quiet during W’s term and just accept everything as hunky dory?
Ohhhh, we spoke up but it was almost always about any one of W’s weekly scandals or gaffes. I guess we have a bit thicker skin this time.
Fred ™
September 4th, 2012
9:05 am
Joseph
September 4th, 2012
8:41 am
I’m still waiting on the answer from Obama and his surrogates though. “Are you better off now than when he assumed office”?
++++++++++++++++++++++++
No you aren’t you’ve been answered more times than anyone can count. But I’ll play your silly little game AGAIN;
Yes with a tax rate lowered to 9%, a $50,000+ pay increase, property taxes lowered by 40%, a new mortgage interest rate of 2.8% and all but 1 credit card payed off, meaning other than that and my house payment I’m debt free, I’m MUCH better off than I was 4 years ago.
CarlosSpicy Weiner
September 4th, 2012
9:05 am
Impeach a President that lied about an affair but keep a President that lied about WAR………….it makes sense to me.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 4th, 2012
9:06 am
“Are you better off now than when Obama assumed office”?
Most assuredly.
As our our kids and grandkids.
Joseph
September 4th, 2012
9:07 am
JDW:
Those talking points are just not taken seriously when reality hits you in the face. The auto bailout for instance was a giant payoff for the unions. The American people lost somewhere in the $30 billion range for this. The monstrosity of Obamacare has yet to be totally felt but will certainly hurt the middle class with all the new taxes it involves. If we had the same number of people in the workforce that we had when Obama took office our unemployment rate would be around 11%. Obama will have spent nearly $6 trillion in four years with little or nothing to show for it after promising unemployment wouldn’t go above 8%. So I can understand why the dems can’t answer a simple question and revert right back to blaming Bush. Wait wait… he did “lead” the mission to kill bin Laden.. LOL…
Common Sense
September 4th, 2012
9:09 am
“No featuring of previous administration…”
There will not be anyone reminiscing about the good old Obama days in 2016….
A majority of voters believe the country is worse off today than it was four years ago and that President Obama does not deserve reelection, according to a new poll for The Hill.
http://thehill.com/conventions-2012/dem-convention-charlotte/247263-hill-poll-voters-think-second-term-undeserved
Common Sense
September 4th, 2012
9:10 am
“Most assuredly.”
One of the very few….
USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout
September 4th, 2012
9:10 am
re-posting from downstairs:
The “are you better off” question may have been an indictment of Jimmy Carter, but Republican hopes notwithstanding, 2012 isn’t 1980. The economy isn’t as bad, the world isn’t as unstable, and — most importantly —vthe public has a clear memory of four years ago, when Obama took office in the worst economic environment since the Great Depression. As Greg points out, voters seem to be grading Obama on a curve — how good are things relative to the Great Recession? By that measure, the country is better off, even if individuals are in a tougher spot than they were at the beginning of his term.
“Are you better off” isn’t the right way to evaluate this election, but that doesn’t mean the Obama campaign shouldn’t try to tackle it. After all, the facts are on their side. In the three months before Obama took office, the economic growth plunged. On Inauguration Day 2009, the economy had lost nearly 4 million jobs and was still hemorraging at an unprecedented rate.
With roughly 150,000 new jobs per month and GDP growth of 1.7 percent, there’s no question that we’re better off today than when Obama took office. It’s true that current conditions are on the bad side of mediocre. But that’s just a sign of how terrible things were four years ago. Voters aren’t sure that the recovery has been fast enough, and that’s why they are hesitating before granting Obama a second term. But it’s not enough for Romney to tell voters that their disappointment alone should lead them to fire the president. Romney has to show them that he could have made things better — and that he will make things better. Without that, the “are you better off” question may not be enough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/why-are-you-better-off-is-the-wrong-question-for-2012/2012/09/03/a262cad8-f5d8-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_blog.html?hpid=z3
lynnie gal
September 4th, 2012
9:11 am
Let’s not forget the (pornographic) details gleefully recited in the (Kenneth) Starr Report and publicized on the evening news, as parents of young children struggled to explain what “oral sex” was because the children heard it on TV. Yes, Republicans impeached President Clinton for the crime of having sex, never minding that those same better-than-thou Republicans were guilty of lying and infidelity–including Newt Gingrich, David Vitter, Mark Foley (not to wife, of course) and Larry (wide stance) Craig. That was the start of crazy for the Republican party. Obama is too smart to drop his drawers and will never give Republicans an opening for going vile. So, Republicans are just making stuff up–like Obama’s “raid” on Medicare, taking the “work out of welfare, death panels, Obama’s a Kenyon, a Socialist, isn’t an American, etc. They have nothing, so they lie and hope to confuse voters.
H. G. Pennypacker
September 4th, 2012
9:11 am
Sorry, just stepped out to run a couple of 3 minute miles with Paul Ryan, what did I miss?
Common Sense
September 4th, 2012
9:12 am
It should have said….
““Are you in more total debt now than when Obama assumed office”?
Most assuredly.
As our our kids and grandkids.”
No one can even disagree with that statement.
Recon 0311 2533
September 4th, 2012
9:12 am
Clinton’s motive for lending Obama a helping hand at the convention is all about helping Hillary. Clinton wants Hillary to run in 016 and since Hill will be getting close to being over the hill for being considered a viable presidential candidate Bill wants Obama to win and to then support Hillary in 016. Clinton’s mission will be to influence the undecided voters and given how tight this race is the undecided’s will probably determine who wins. I suspect that’s the only link between Obama and the Clintons.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 4th, 2012
9:14 am
Paul Ryan once ran a marathon…because it was on his way.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
September 4th, 2012
9:14 am
“Are you better off now than when Obama assumed office”?
Most assuredly.
As our our kids and grandkids.
_____________________________________________
Sure because now there living in your basement.
Morality?
September 4th, 2012
9:15 am
Slick Willie did his best work under the table.
Brosephus™
September 4th, 2012
9:16 am
Doggone @ 8:39
They can’t see that because it would require independent thought as opposed to listening to someone think for them.
—————–
Gordon: Clinton was rightfully attacked because he committed a felony while in office (lying under oath).
So, how do you account for the attacks prior to him lying about getting a blowjob? YOu know that’s not when the attacks started.
Brosephus™
September 4th, 2012
9:16 am
Doggone @ 8:39
They can’t see that because it would require independent thought as opposed to listening to someone think for them.
—————–
Gordon: Clinton was rightfully attacked because he committed a felony while in office (lying under oath).
So, how do you account for the attacks prior to him lying about getting a blowjob? YOu know that’s not when the attacks started.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
September 4th, 2012
9:16 am
Common sense…
“one of the very few”
bull dooky
Are YOU still having financial issues? Do YOU need us to help you out?
We can pass the hat …..for YOU
Julia
September 4th, 2012
9:16 am
it has taken Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed, Jack Abromoff 30 plus years to achieve this but they finally managed to make the country so divisive in their attempts to “shrink government until it is small enough to drown in a bathtub”. Reminds me of everything i’ve read about the era of Joe McCarthy.
So Clinton had the morals of an alley cat? Was he the first President to be a skirt chaser? Will he be the last? so long as he did the job he was elected to do, his private life was a matter for him, his wife & his God. It had nothing to do with me.
Now, who cares to opine on all of those God fearing Republicans who want to save the country from the “homosexual agenda’ all the while trolling the airport men’s room? And anyone remember “Hot Military Stud” with his White House security clearance & press pass? How did a gay porn star & escort manage that???? Hm?
People who live in glass houses really should not throw stones.
Brosephus™
September 4th, 2012
9:16 am
sorry about the double post….
Morality?
September 4th, 2012
9:17 am
Are you better off by going from unemployed to food stamps and disability for all?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 4th, 2012
9:18 am
We are much better off now.
Fred ™
September 4th, 2012
9:18 am
The funny thing is that I don’t lke President Clinton OR the way he handled things. But he was btter than Bush. President Clinton was “hired” by a majority of the electorate and given a mandate in his first election. As a desert storm vet, I voted for President Bush because of his support for his troops duirng that encounter. Yet I wasn’t disappointed by the election of Clinton. I felt he was really going to change things, get some things done, really revolutionize our Government. Unfortunately he saw it as a way to get laid more often.
He deregulated businesses and allowd an era of unrestrained outlaw Corporations who lied, cheated, and stole all they wanted. He went after Microsoft causing the DotBomb bust. he allowed Enron to prosper, he did many things wrong. but he also got a few things right. All in all though, he was better than President Bush. But I still wouldn’t want him back.
TaxPayer
September 4th, 2012
9:18 am
““Are you in more total debt now than when Obama assumed office”?
Most assuredly.
We better get busy on those tax cuts so we can pay it off, huh.
F. Sinkwich
September 4th, 2012
9:18 am
Does anyone know when the “Parade of Julia’s” starts at the DemCon?
Peadawg
September 4th, 2012
9:18 am
“The world according to Jay: All Democrats = Good; All Republicans = bad.”
And the world according to your boy next door, Kyle: All Republicans = Good; All Democrats = bad.
Morality?
September 4th, 2012
9:19 am
Clinton,once more, sells his soul to the devil. How much did they pay him this time?
Peadawg
September 4th, 2012
9:19 am
“We better get busy on those tax cuts so we can pay it off, huh.”
I know, right? Obama needs to extend them again.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 4th, 2012
9:21 am
“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. MY promise is to help you and your family.”
translation: Your family will be underwater….. but I will help them.
~ paraphrased from Bill Maher
TaxPayer
September 4th, 2012
9:21 am
I think I’ve got those instructions around here somewhere to hand out to the down and out Republicans that are no better off since the days of the Bush Great Recession. Oh yes. Here they are, “How to operate you own bootstraps in one easy lesson.” Only $19.99 plus S&H.
Fred ™
September 4th, 2012
9:21 am
Common Sense
September 4th, 2012
9:12 am
It should have said….
““Are you in more total debt now than when Obama assumed office”?
Most assuredly.
As our our kids and grandkids.”
No one can even disagree with that statement.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m in less debt. As far as our COUNTRY? Of course we have more debt. The credit card bills for two unfunded wars and an unfunded medicare drug mandate that President Bush put on the cards came due. Actually it was PAST DUE. President Obama started paying it though unlike President Bush who just tossed the bills in the trash.
Where IS that so called Common Sense anyway?
EJ Moosa
September 4th, 2012
9:22 am
“Are you better off” isn’t the right way to evaluate this election, but that doesn’t mean the Obama campaign shouldn’t try to tackle it. After all, the facts are on their side. In the three months before Obama took office, the economic growth plunged. On Inauguration Day 2009, the economy had lost nearly 4 million jobs and was still hemorraging at an unprecedented rate.”
Here’s why you are wrong.
If this is as good as it gets, we are not better off than we were four years. We are forward looking people.
The problem that the democrats cannot overcome is that there is no evidence that things are going to improve, even moderately from where we are today. There is no potential for improvement as things stand today.
This has been confirmed by the Federal Reserve who has cited abysmal job creation, who stands ready to do “whatever is needed”.
You can convince yourself that we are better off because we were losing jobs then and are adding today. But that is a simplistic analysis at the very least.
Unless you are going to argue that we were going to lose 700k of jobs every month for four years, except for the excellent choices of Obama.
There is the least amount of potential in the US ready to be realized than at any time in the last 30 years. There are no new ideas in the DNC that is going to stimulate the economy.
If you feel otherwise, give us your top three indicators that things are getting ready to take off for the US economy.
Many of us would like to hear them.
Because the FED does not see it.
The Private Sector does not see it.
And if Obama saw it, we would be hearing about it nonstop.
If we were better off, you would not even have to tell us. We’d know it.
Brosephus™
September 4th, 2012
9:22 am
““Are you in more total debt now than when Obama assumed office”?
Most assuredly.
As our our kids and grandkids.”
Nope, my total debt has decreased in the past 4 years. In the past 4 years, I’ve paid my mortgage down considerably, even though the refinancing programs haven’t given me one cent of relief. I’ve paid off credit cards, and my tax burden is lower thanks to my child. As a matter of fact, I’m about to add another tax deduction in March. So, I’ll be able to pay off even more debt on my way to being debt free asap.
So, I’m better off and in less debt than I was 4 years ago. To top it off, things are getting even better.
Hamilton
September 4th, 2012
9:22 am
Better off than 08? “You betcha.”
In 2008, the economy was on the brink of collapse. Big banks failed. The mortgage security disaster was rising to a tidal wave that is still lashing against the shores of our economy. GM was pronounced dead by people like the current republican presidental nominee. But for the social programs of the new deal, this would have been worse than 1929.
In the last four years, we have come from the brink of disaster. Oh, we’re still reeling a bit – we haven’t figured out how to replace jobs that existed only because of an illusory housing boom – but GM is back on its game, the weakest of banks are still failing and others are holding on, moving back to the old way banks work.
Yep, much better off than the soup kitchens and child starvation that could have come along without wise leadership.
Adam
September 4th, 2012
9:23 am
Because as anyone with memories that stretch back to the ’90s can tell you, that is decidedly not how the Clintons were treated at the time.
EXACTLY.
Clinton was accused of MURDER on the floor of Congress, FFS.
TaxPayer
September 4th, 2012
9:23 am
I know, right?Obama needs to extend them again.
Perhaps if the Republicans ask real nice, again. And hold unemployment benefits over him, again. Nah. Not again.
Obama is over
September 4th, 2012
9:23 am
The Clinton-Obama relationship is complex. Obama’s singular greatest accomplishment in his political career was beating the Clinton machine. Bill Clinton is one of the finest orators of his generation. Obama desperately needs him to add credibility to a failing campaign. With the Atlanta Business Chronicle reporting this a.m. that 58% of the jobs created during the Obama administration have been low wage, Obama needs Clinton to inspire the party because the conrty knows that things aren’t going verey well.. Hillary will be very far away from Charlotte so the Clintons can still disassociate from Obama in 2016.The danger here for Obama is that Slick Willie will upstage him. The truth is that the Democrats don’t have many charismatic speakers for the convention. the Clintons are the best they’ve got. And by the way Jay, your comment about Al Gore and Iraq is a shamelful attempt to rewrite history and is insulting to the memory of all of the U.S. citizens killed on 911 and the war on terror since.
Morality?
September 4th, 2012
9:23 am
Obama is one of the EVIL 1%’ers. Oh how you envy the 1 %’ers. Time to sweep out the trash. Vote Romney.