Romney post-convention bump looks modest at best

UsinUk

Strange that some say what your current country is doing WRONG, while we could be making a BIG mittstake and going back to the trickle down method?

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EC

When I say “principle”, I mean based on this line of thinking that Clinton is having to bail out Obama so to speak.

Personally I could careless who speaks at either convention.

They are nothing but “infomercials” to rally the base. And I’m going to say that the Democrats this week will endure the same fate that the Republicans did this week; low ratings.

Most of us are still voting for D and R, but except for the ardent bases most also know that these people are full of crap and lies.

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“Because Bill is to the left what Reagan is to the right….the last candidate their base truly embrace”

had he left office just one year later, they wouldn’t love him quite as much. I like Clinton. He’s all about the “party”, and he will give a good speech. He won’t tell you how he really feels about Obama ….look for the pointing finger when he says something good about Obama

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USinUK

The republicans need to build on their success.

What were those. Reagan? Nope.

Trickle down. Nope didn’t work.

So what have been the Republican sucesses?

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If this chain smokin, smooth talking (whoops, make that teleprompter readin’), Muslim gets re-elected, watch the economy REALLY go in the tank.

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Its the “USA Today-Gallup” poll! LOL

Romney wins by 10%+

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Jm

That’s why I say we agree on the important parts.

And I don’t care if I pi$$ off the others here but immigration needs to be totally reformed.

Josef

quit screwing with us reformed PAPISTS.

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I’m sorry, i got the clinton quote wrong

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman”

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Because Bill is to the left what Reagan is to the right….the last candidate their base truly embrace

The Clinton administration is just a complicit in the financial melt-down as Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. He signed the legislation which dissolved the barriers between institutions put in place after the Great Depression; his economic team ignored Brooksley Born’s warning about the unregulated derivatives market; his term as president did nothing to prevent the continued decline of the middle class.

So if by “embrace” you mean “hold in disdain”, then yeah, I totally embrace Clinton.

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josef

kinda of like Pawn Stars they wrap the crap. LOL

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USinUK – And WHERE was W during the Romney convention???

W made a video appearance with his Dad…it was pretty good.
You would have had to watch it to know

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josef

Not meant to be a true statement.

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Common Sense

Chumley for President!

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Kam – you’ve always been the exception rather than the rule….i mean that as a compliment…sport

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Lets go back to Jan. 2009.

“1. GDP growth turns negative. The gross domestic product declined at an annual rate of 0.5 percent in the third quarter of 2008—the largest decline since the third quarter of 2001. The drop in growth followed a 3.8% decline in consumer spending—the largest decrease since the second quarter of 1980. Spending on homes also declined by 16.0% in the third quarter of 2008, marking the 11th quarterly decline in a row and the longest continuous decline in residential real estate spending since the 11th quarter period that ended in March 1958.

2. Job losses accelerate. The U.S. economy lost 2.6 million jobs in 2008, including 524,000 jobs in December. Fifty-nine percent of job losses came during the last quarter.

3. Unemployment rates reflect broad labor market recession. The unemployment rate was 7.2% in December 2008—the highest level since January 1993. The African-American unemployment rate stood at 11.9%, the Hispanic unemployment rate at 9.2%, and the unemployment rate for whites at 6.6% in December 2008.

4. The job market recession is the most severe in decades. The labor market shrunk by 1.9% over the course of 2008—the fastest decline during the 12 months after a recession started since the recession that started in May 1960. The unemployment rate rose 2.3% during the first 12 months of the recession—the fastest such increase since the recession that started in January 1970.

5. Wages have temporarily outgrown inflation. Factoring in inflation, hourly wages were 2.3% and weekly wages were 3.3% higher in November 2008 than in December 2007. These increases followed lower prices in November 2008 and are unlikely to continue.

6. Benefits decreased before the crisis. The share of private sector workers with a pension dropped from 50.3% in 2000 to 45.1% in 2007, and the share of people with employer-provided health insurance dropped from 64.2% in 2000 to 59.3% in 2007.

7. Families are still burdened by high levels of debt. Household debt averaged 130.3% of disposable income in the third quarter of 2008, down from a record high of 133.5% at the end of 2007, but higher than any level recorded before September 2006.

8. The housing crisis deepens. New home sales in November 2008 were 35.3% lower and existing home sales were 10.6% lower than a year earlier. Median sale prices for new homes dropped by 11.5% and those for existing homes by 13.2% during the same time. It would take more than 11 months to sell all houses on the market at the current rate of new home sales. This has been true for four months in a row now, making this the worst new home sales market since the Census Bureau collected these data in 1963.

9. Homeowners lose wealth. The values of all homes fell by $656 billion in the third quarter of 2008 after accounting for inflation, and they were 13.6% or $2.4 trillion lower than a year earlier, making it the largest such drop since the Federal Reserve collected these data in 1952. Home equity as a share of home values also fell to a record low of 44.7% in the third quarter of 2008.

10. Mortgage troubles mount. One in 10 mortgages is delinquent or in foreclosure. The share of mortgages that were delinquent during the third quarter of 2008 was 7.0%, and the share of mortgages that were in foreclosure was 3.0%. The share of new mortgages going into foreclosure stayed at its record high of 1.1% in the third quarter.

11. Families feel the pressure. Credit card defaults rose to 5.6% of all credit card debt by the third quarter of 2008—an increase of 35.4% from the fourth quarter of 2007.

12. Business investment declines. Business investment declined by 1.7% in the third quarter of 2008—the largest decline since the first quarter of 2004. Business spending on equipment and software also dropped for the third quarter in a row, the longest such decline since the first quarter of 2002.

13. The trade deficit remains high. The trade deficit stood at 4.9% of GDP in the third quarter of 2008. Despite declining slightly, the trade deficit remains at a historically high and ultimately unsustainable level.

14. Large deficits are looming. Following years of fiscal and economic mismanagement, the federal government’s deficit is expected to reach $1.2 trillion in 2009, even before a necessary economic stimulus has been enacted.”

This is what our cons want back.

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JamVet provided: “Truth: Obama didn’t make any cuts to Medicare benefits; he made cuts to provider reimbursements,”
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Good grief! If reimbursement rates are greatly cut, then that means fewer doctors will accept Medicare patients. Certainly, fewer good doctors will do so. That means that wait times will increase and quality will be less. That’s Economics 101. To say that doing this means no cuts to Medicare benefits is economic illiteracy. That being said, I support such cuts being made as I think entitlement spending needs to be kept from exploding in the future, even if it means lower quality and lower individual benefit level. What I don’t support is using these cuts to mask just how expensive ObamaCare really is. That’s dishonesty.

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It will be interesting to hear Clinton speak. I watched part of the RNC. White noise to sleep by.

Conventions are supposed to highlight the plans for the future. I didn’t hear that at the RNC. More like we’re gonna be different without details.

Sorry, but that doesn’t get my attention.

Unless and until Mitt releases some more tax returns my assumption is something is wrong with his investments.

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Mark, speaking of illiteracy, what part of Ryan lied is rocket science here? He said that Obama cut Medicare benefits.

Obama did not.

The guy has as many veracity problems as his “severely conservative” (LOL!) soon to be Loser-in-Chief from Massachusetts does…

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Economic 101.

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“It is time to remind Americans of the w disaster.”

It is time to remind people of the Clinton hooliganism.

How many women is Obama sleeping with? I bet Jarrett has her own bedroom in the WH.

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Lets refresh our memories on the w disaster:

“1. Lies about an optional war. Some may argue that Bush wasn’t lying about the weapons of mass destruction — that he, and many others, believed they were there. The problem is, he, and most everyone in his administration, misrepresented (lied) about the nature of the intelligence that (they claimed) led us into war. Within the intelligence community — yes, Bush’s own intelligence community — there was much, much more disagreement about the nature and threat of these weapons (and even whether they existed) than what Bush-Cheney-Rice-Rumsfeld claimed. Also in the category of outrageous lies, it is now clear that Bush, during the run-up to the war, was routinely lying when he said he had made no decision about going to war, that he was trying to exhaust all diplomatic options. Memos and staffers have since made it clear that Iraq was a target for war even before 9/11.

2. The optional war itself. It was clear that an invasion of Iraq was not tied to 9/11 and that it would not do anything to deter terrorism and that, in fact, it would make terrorism worse. Bush and his followers might believe otherwise, but I would argue that this is empirically true. The vote for the war authorization was pushed right before a midterm election, and Bush was demanding its passage, clearly making war a political issues. That alone is outrageous conduct for a president. But I would be happy to eliminate this one from the list, if enough readers think I should.

3. The fiasco in handling the optional war that was started from lies. Even John McCain, military strategists and such right-wingers as Pat Buchanan acknowledge this one. Because of arrogance, ignorance and just plain stupidity, the war was mismanaged from the start. It led to countless unnecessary deaths, a disastrous loss of prestige and diplomatic clout for America, and, predictably, it became an al-Qaeda training and recruitment tool.

4. Tax cuts that overwhelmingly favor the rich in a time of war. It is possible, as far as policy goes, to argue for tax cuts, even in the face of crushing deficits. It may be possible to argue, in a supply-sider’s dream, that it is appropriate for the rich to garner most of the benefits for the tax cuts. But it is nearly impossible, unless one lacks sufficient powers of reasoning, to argue that we should enact tax cuts that disproportionately favor the wealthy, when war demands sacrifices and sufficient revenue to be waged successfully.

5. Trillions in new debt, and annual deficits in the half-trillion-dollar range. This may be paired with the item above. Bush and the Republicans have not only failed to pay for the tax cuts they so eagerly handed out to rich supporters who then gave them campaign contributions, they also put forth billions in new spending, making Democrats look like chumps when it comes to pork-barreling. Oh, and by the way, they also enacted the biggest entitlement program in history since Social Security, the pharmaceutical drug bill, that provided billions to drug companies while restricting drug price competition. Also, the Bush administration lied to members of his own party about the cost of the 2003 Medicare bill, just so they could be tricked into voting for it.

6. The weakening of the dollar. Again, this may be paired with the items above. Many experts have speculated that the dollar’s reign as the world currency may end fairly soon, and its displacement can be directly tied to Reagan-Bush-Bush policies favoring vast debt, massive gaps in wealth between the rich and middle class, a weakening of the manufacturing economy, and changing the U.S. from the largest creditor nation in history to the largest debtor nation in history. I won’t give Bill Clinton a pass on this one, since the manufacturing sector decline continued under his watch and, some might argue, accelerated as a result of NAFTA. But it is clear that idea that taxes are heresy under Republicans — even at the expense of the nation and at the collapse of the dollar — has taken on its Biblical status under George W. Bush.

7. The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Here was a president so disengaged that American citizens were left stranded, and people died, during his inaction. Yet, in his words, “Brownie, you’re doing a heckuva job.”

8. The suspension of habeas corpus. This has taken several forms under George Bush — by executive decision, through legal opinion by the likes of hack John Yoo and by the establishment of prisons to hold prisoners without charge or trial. But one moment Americans should never forget is the passage of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Congress must share the blame on this, but without Bush’s “leadership,” it never would have passed. The law cast aside the Constitution and the principle of habeas corpus, which protects against unlawful and indefinite imprisonment. The Congress also gave the president absolute power to designate enemy combatants, and to set his own definitions for torture.

9. “Enhanced interrogation”/torture/extraordinary rendition. Bush said he knew and approved of the harsh tactics that led to such outrages as Abu Ghraib. Bush says the U.S. doesn’t torture because it doesn’t torture. Whatever you call it, it amounts to an illegal usurping of executive authority. John McCain was against it before he was for it. Some Americans may believe terrorists deserve torture in some cases, and I won’t disagree; however, it is clear that, under George W. Bush, America tortured some innocent people, and in some cases it transported prisoners to other countries so they could be tortured there.

10. Halliburton/Blackwater. These companies are by symbols for the privatization of war. Military contractors, often having no accountability to anyone, have stolen billions, wasted more billions, and kidnapped, raped and murdered in the name of the United States.

11. Guantanamo. While military prisons are routine in wartime, the problem with Gitmo is that it has been set up to hold terrorists as well as the innocent. And because of the end of habeas corpus, there is no way for the innocent to be set loose. In addition, it has undoubtedly created terrorists out of innocent people; even setting loose the innocent has become a grave risk, thanks to George W. Bush. But Guantanamo is not the only place where the innocent are held. Just last month, the U.S. released AP photographer Bilal Hussein after holding him in Iraq for two years without trial.

12. Presidential signing statements. Bush has made unprecedented use of these extra-legal statements in which he declares all or part of a law unconstitutional because (he says) it encroaches on executive authority. Therefore, he’ll sign the bill but ignore the parts he disagrees with. These statements have been used on a limited basis by other presidents in particular situations. But George Bush has claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws. Among them, reported the Boston Globe, are “military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ‘whistle-blower’ protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research. Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush’s assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government.”

13. The Healthy Forests Initiative — would allow more logging and development in our national parks.

14. The Clear Skies Initiative — would weaken many parts of the Clean Air Act to allow more pollutants in many areas. Aside from what these laws do is the Orwellian Newspeak — giving names to policies or laws that are, at best, misleading. (Read: Patriot Act.)

15. Mining safety. Bush cut funding for mining safety and stacked the Mine Safety and Health Administration with industry executives, who fought against better regulations to protect lives and limbs. In 2006, forty-seven coal miners died on the job, the most in any full year since 1995, when forty-seven also were killed. Thirty-three were killed last year. Not all the deaths can be blamed on Bush and his industry-friendly appointees, but most assuredly, some can.

16. The U.S. attorney scandals. In this case, seven U.S. attorneys — Republicans — were fired in 2006. The reasons for the dismissals remain unclear, but allegations were that they were made for partisan political purposes. Anyone who doubts that partisanship (see Monica Goodling) was a factor — which, by the way, undermines the justice system of the United States — has not been paying attention to the way George Bush operates. Investigations into the matter have been impeded, but it is without question that the scandal has eroded morale in the Justice Department.

17. Stop loss. This U.S. military policy amounts to a back-door draft. While legal, it erodes morale, weakens the military and subjects soldiers to repeated danger and the possibility of physical and mental problems. Apparently, a weaker military is a policy of this administration, since it has overextended personnel and refused to provide adequate body armor to troops. In addition, Bush favored cutting funding for Veterans’ Administration, denying crucial medical care to the troops that he sent to war.

18. Alienation of U.S. allies.

19. Cutting of food stamps. This could be an ideological difference, so many might argue it’s not fair game in a list of Bush disasters. However, one aspect of the Bush prescription drug plan related to this issue can’t be viewed as ideological: as reported by Salon, “More bad news about that prescription drug plan: Seniors who use it may lose their food stamps.”

20. “So?” Dick Cheneys’ response to a question noting that the vast majority of Americans believe Iraq was a mistake and want the troops to come home.

21. FISA/illegal wiretapping. Bush still claims that violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is okay because he’s fighting the terrorists. But there’s nothing in the law that prevented wiretapping; it allowed temporary wiretapping until warrants could be issued. That didn’t matter to Bush; he’d rather violate the law when possible.

22. 9/11. Bush and his administration ignored repeated warnings that a major terrorist act was pending on U.S. soil. Richard Clarke said he tried for months to have Bush and Condaleeza Rice make terrorism a priority, but they ignored him. Whether you believe Clarke or not, the fact is that there was a memo about bin Laden being determined to strike in the U.S., and Bush went on vacation to Crawford, Texas, shortly before the Twin Towers fell.

23. Global warming. Bush now admits it’s a problem, although Bush officials trashed science by redacting independent governmentally commissioned studies on the issue. But even though he says it’s a problem he has no proposals to do anything about it in the near term.

24. Health care. More children (9 million) are without health insurance today than when Bush took office. The nation is facing catastrophic health care costs for the next century; Bush has ignored the problem.

25. Energy policy. The records of Dick Cheney’s task force on energy are secret, so we don’t know how much of the nation’s energy policy was dictated by energy companies. But it is certain that it was a great deal; Bush’s pattern in this area is the same as in others; i.e., put oil and gas officials in charge of energy policy; put pharmaceutical companies in charge of drug policy; let health industry lobbyists write health policy legislation. Gas prices have soared and record profits are now routine business for the oil companies; people think their taxes are lower under Bush, but they are paying more for gas, food and other basic necessities – and they are also paying more state and local taxes because of federal budget cuts.

26. Immigration. For Bush or against him on this issue, it can hardly be argued that he has put forth a successful policy.

27. The Pentagon information apparatus designed to praise George Bush’s war by touting military officers — paid by private contractors — as objective observers. This was a deliberate attempt to lie to the American people through a compliant and incompetent mass media.

28. Plants in press conferences. Jeff Gannon, a right-wing gay escort, was given press credentials and allowed to lob softball questions at Bush during White House news conferences.

29. A weaker America — we are weaker militarily, economically and on the world stage than the day George Bush took office. Some Republicans seem to fear Democrats because they say the Democrats want to destroy America. But it is hard to imagine a series of policies that have done more to hurt America than those forced upon us over the last seven years. Three-fourths of Americans know the country is on the wrong track, yet half of them support “more wrong track,” as Bill Maher put it. This is because the Republicans are very good at distracting large numbers of people from the disasters that this administration has fostered. One method they use is that they claim that criticisms of policy, particularly war policy, amount to criticisms of America. I want to make it clear that this tactic won’t work here. The above criticisms are not criticisms of America; they are criticisms of George W. Bush. It is because I love this country that this list was compiled. It was George Bush, not America, who brought us to this place.

30. A divided America. After 9/11 Bush had that rare opportunity to unite the nation, and the world, to defeat terrorism. Instead of using this goodwill – instead of bringing us all together to fight a common enemy — he squandered it. A generation has been lost to Bush’s petty petulance and his unilateral, misguided use of executive power. One would think that most conservatives, and most Republicans, would worry about expanded executive power. But many of them haven’t. One wonders how they will feel about it when a Democrat takes office.

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Just saw another side to you, Thulsa. Thanks for sharing the story about your pup, and heartfelt sympathy goes out to you.

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getalife

“Lets refresh our memories on the w disaster:”

Let’s not and lie and say we did.

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getalife

September 3rd, 2012
1:45 pm

Thanks for the list …lest we forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pojL_35QlSI&feature=related

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libs love polls to try and shape public opinion…..hussein’s words and actions and policies are what do him in…….enough time wasted here……later on hack and company

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it’s funny and a little sad to see all the complete lies and fabrications and thoughts of the libs here who are obviously always miserable and frustrated……misery loves company jamvet……..good luck in your quest……..in case you didn’t hear it libs, i am using a dog whistle……PATHETIC and SAD and JUVENILE and OUTRIGHT LIES……this was fun

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Jm

the immigration policy of the USA has totally twisted the up and coming members of the US.

When I was a teen construction was a way to earn money to go to college. Where did those jobs go?

Immigrant visas were once only available to those with advanced educations or who were from countries involved in wars. Not now.

If someone wants a better life for their country. Stay there and fight for that.

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Chairman of the California Democratic Party just compared Paul Ryan to top Nazi, Goebbels. Now by his articulated standards of civility in political discourse one would expect Bookman to repudiate such over the top rhetoric as outside the bounds of acceptable speech for an important democrats figure.
He will, though say nothing unless he agrees with the guy.

Civility for hypocrites like Bookman is a tool for partisan advantage not a standard of conduct.

Expect to hear far, far worse from the democrats who are losing the war of ideas.

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JamVet…I am truly sorry your lot is life has you so filled with anger and hate, somehow I think the issue is much deeper than simply politics…

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What do you think Obama does with his cigars? I mean, cigarettes of course.

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With landmark lawsuit, Barack Obama pushed banks to give subprime loans to Chicago’s African-Americans

Already debunked.

Perhaps you should read through the comments before re-posting drudgey spam.

Just suggestin’.

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Busing Blacks is Back in Vogue

Dems bring in crowds by the busload to fill stadium for Obama speech

College students from across North Carolina will arrive in Charlotte by the busload. Same with members of predominantly black churches in neighboring South Carolina.

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“Already debunked”

Relying on posts here to determine “debunking” is laughable.

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We need more skilled labor. And we need to do it with government funding to research Universities. That is where we are losing out and need to step up, not cut back.
We should cut back on defense and step up on training skilled workers
That’s the best thing government can do to help the economy.

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CHARLOTTE — The chairman of the California Democratic Party reportedly compared Paul Ryan and the Republicans today to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, John Burton made these remarks about the GOP vice presidential nominee before the California delegation met for breakfast this morning at the Democratic National Convention:

“They lie and they don’t care if people think they lie. …Joseph Goebbels it’s the big lie, you keep repeating it,” Burton said Monday before the Blake Hotel breakfast. He said Ryan told “a bold-faced lie and he doesn’t care that it was a lie. That was Goebbels, the big lie.” – usatoday

stay classy

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Ryan was critical of the President for rejecting a plan that Ryan himself had voted against.
That may not be a lie but it is hypocritical and misleading beyond belief.

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Erwin’s cat: “Because Bill is to the left what Reagan is to the right….the last candidate their base truly embrace”

Ironic since it was Clinton more than anyone else who really redeemed and consolidated Reaganism, just as Blair did with Thatcherism.

To your pt: guess it depends on what you mean by “base”. If you mean died in the wool liberal Democrats, probably true. But real leftists despise his disastrous capitulation.

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Yo josef, have you ever heard of THE SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bJeXb6×3eU

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You can fool some of the voters some of the time but not all of them all the time. Obama voters from 2008 are re-thinking their vote for 2012 and many will be changing. Have you seen the movie 2016? That is an eye opener.

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“Kyle Wingfield

September 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm

Folks, I’m afraid circumstances dictate that comments go into moderation for the rest of the long weekend. See y’all Tuesday.”

The cons will try to lie on this blog and shut it down too.

The lying cons will fail and your lies don’t work here cons.

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Obama voters from 2008 are re-thinking their vote for 2012 and many will be changing.

________

And most will not change their votes. When they consider the alternative to Obama is a man who wants to cut taxes on the top one per cent and raise taxes on the middle class.
And he wants to increase spending on defense and cut everything else.
Nobody that really thinks about their vote will vote for Romney.

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Have you seen the movie 2016? That is an eye opener.

Yeah, so was Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Except there was more truth and facts in the Tomato movie……….

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http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

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“It is time to remind Americans of the w disaster.”

The Liar in Chief…. IMPEACHED President Bill Clinton…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

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OSCAR

And then there are those of us who didn’t vote for Obama in 2008 who are rethinking their vote for 2012…

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Well josef, if you zip downstairs for a minute, you can see what I’m serving here in the servants quarters……….

Ah never mind, I’ll post it here. This is NOT my recipe, I just used a rub. I am however doing two like he shows inthe picture. 18 lbs of Boston butt. Been going since 5am. At 5 PM they come off and the pork chops go on. I can’t fit the ribs on now though dammit and they sure need to go on now. Reckon they’ll have to wait until tomorrow. Them and the chicken wings. I’m going to try to Green egg the wings instead of frying them……..

Anyway, look at that recipe and see if you think I should try the mustard marinade sometime.

http://www.biggreeneggsperience.com/Boston%20Butt.html

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Erwin’s cat:

“http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/home-intruders-get-more-than-they-bargain-for-in-a/nR2Sd/

Scout – think locally”

I love it when a plan comes together !!!

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I wonder of Comrade Obama will remember to salute the flag at the DemokRat Convension…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

What a Buffoon!

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Big typo whoops

“your” type, not “our” type.

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Suppression! DNC Charlotte: Picture Identification required, even just near convention site…. That’s Racist!

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