Let’s raise a glass to the hard-working people! (You and me)

As we slide into the Labor Day weekend, I cannot think of a more appropriate way to mark the holiday than to enlist some exceedingly rich people — all of them self-made capitalists of course — to sing the praises of the hard-working people, the lowly of birth, the rag-tagged people, the salt of the earth.

So … SAAALLLUTTTTE!

– Jay Bookman

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Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:03 pm

Bro 5:59 you’re a joke

You libs

September 2nd, 2012
6:03 pm

DannyX @ 5:54

Bush will be too busy campaigning for Republicans to go to France right now.

What about later? Umm, no. He has so may humanitarian projects going on right now it would just be impossible to find the time.

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:04 pm

Howdy! So, save me the trouble of scrolling back…what’re the issues? Is it raining out anybody’s barbecue?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 2nd, 2012
6:07 pm

Jm:

This fits libs. quite well:

“The intolerance of those screaming for tolerance has become deafening. It is also, in many instances, dishonest.”

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:07 pm

Josef

Bro says don’t end ethanol subsidies unless you can end all of them

I’m all in favor of ending all subsidies, but I wouldn’t let that massive undertaking slow down elimination of a subsidy that hurts the poor

Have fun, I’m done debating bro about it because he has his mind all twisted up over the issue

Maybe the ICE staff person harassed him to the point of having PTSD

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:10 pm

jm lives permanently in la la land.

Small farmers get 30 thousand a year from subsidies too but give it back to our economy instead of bribing politicians

Imagine what our economy would look like without government spending.

That is what the cons want.

A collapsed economy.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:10 pm

Scout 6:07 true words

Libs efforts to help the poor usually end up hurting the poor

Because they don’t understand economics

It’s why capitalist Pepsi is everywhere in India

But government run food programs can’t get people food in India

Liberals are too dumb for their own good

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
6:11 pm

jonix, the short version?

Jm is unreasonable and constantly miserable on this blog and Scout loves it.

Almost comical, really.

This was the first DF song that really knocked me out and started my long love affair with his music.

I was stationed in Tampa, it came on the radio and I pretty much went wild the first time I heard it!

I immediately went to the BX and bought every Fogelberg LP I could find. (There were only two at the time).

Joe Walsh on lead and slide guitar…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm8×38USBiM&feature=related

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:13 pm

Getalife 6:10

It certainly would be different

It is about the size of government

And government would play less of a role if republicans have their way

Though it wouldn’t be completely absent

For that, you have to chat with democrat anarchists

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:14 pm

JM

Subsidizing corn for fuel…sounds like a good idea to me. Corn squeezins for everybody!

BROSEPHUS

Was up in your home stomping grounds this weekend…

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
6:14 pm

In many ways, Fogelberg satisfied both of my rock music “requirements”.

He had that awesome kickass rock sound and he also had that sweet, soft, slow Carole King kind of stuff.

From his sparkling, debut Home Free album…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba807pfx-1M&feature=related

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:15 pm

Obama is going to lose NC

I’d wager a hundred bucks on that

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 2nd, 2012
6:16 pm

Libs efforts to help the poor usually end up hurting the poor

Because they don’t understand economics

Too funny!

Please expound on you personal experience with pre-Reagan trickle-on Econ 101.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:17 pm

Bro

See there ya go

Jonix is on your side

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:17 pm

jm,

Anarchists have no party silly.

You cut in good times no bad.

This simple fact escapes your tiny minds.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm

Getalife

Government never cuts in good times

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm

DannyX

September 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm

“He has so may humanitarian projects going on right now it would just be impossible to find the time.”

You are right You libs. In fact I hear Bush is headed off to India on a humanitarian visit where he’ll try to talk India into giving up rice in favor of importing US corn. He’ll also try to get them to copy his socialist Medicare Part D program so Indian seniors no longer have to suffer.

Bush has a great big heart.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:19 pm

Getalife

And, get this, there won’t be any good times in the future unless we balance the budget

So might as well start cutting now

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:19 pm

First rule of digging holes: when in one, stop digging

Obama doesn’t get this

You libs

September 2nd, 2012
6:22 pm

Government sure cut taxes in the good times ten years ago. Even though we can’t fix the aging bridges and roadways today, the tax cuts continue. Republicans want to cut them even further for the wealthiest.

What’s up with that?

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:22 pm

jm,

Both parties know cuts will effect our economy so they just did not do it.

It is a political loser.

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:23 pm

JM

I’m on Brosephus’ side? So, what else is new? I probably agree with him more than just about anybody who posts here. An educated, thinking and rational fellow, he…believe it or not, he and I are even pretty much on the same page on the immigration issue…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 2nd, 2012
6:23 pm

Jm:

“It’s why capitalist Pepsi is everywhere in India

But government run food programs can’t get people food in India”

Now “THAT’S” an excellent point !

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:24 pm

Getalife 6:22

Romney will cut spending

Heretofore, I agree with you

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:25 pm

Good point you libs.

If we can’t have a huge green energy job project like Germany to get off oil before it runs out, we can do another huge infrastructure jobs project nation wide.

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:26 pm

jm,

Please list in detail what robme would cut.

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
6:26 pm

Bro 5:59 you’re a joke

When you know you’ve lost the debate, resort to name calling and invectives. As Scout said, that’s all liberals know to do.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

—————-

josef

What were you doing out in the boonies? :lol:

—————-

Bro says don’t end ethanol subsidies unless you can end all of them

I’m all in favor of ending all subsidies, but I wouldn’t let that massive undertaking slow down elimination of a subsidy that hurts the poor

It is about the size of government

And government would play less of a role if republicans have their way

You sound like a liberal.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:27 pm

Jo 6:23 bro was throwing a temper tantrum when no one was agreeing with him

I was saying to him: buck up! Jonix agrees with you (that apparently ending corn subsidies for big growers that starve the poor is a bad idea- whacky, Jo, I thought you were in favor of helping the poor)

Scout :)

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:27 pm

BROSEPHUS

Went to the Pow Wow…

You libs

September 2nd, 2012
6:28 pm

getalife

Only problem: Congress.

Orange12

September 2nd, 2012
6:28 pm

“Biden: Romney ready for war with Syria, Iran”

I pray, I hope nothing happens to Obama for the two months he has left in office. Can you imagine “Chains Biden” being in charge of the country?

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
6:30 pm

This simple fact escapes your tiny minds.

You play fast and loose with “facts”. Across the board.

I’ll never forget that night during FNM when you wrote that the Beatles were only an OK band along with some other “observations” about their songwriting, etc.

The facts: they were the most important, influential and beloved musical artists, arguably in a hundred years.

You are entitled to your own opinions. (For example, I did like the Beatles.)

You are not entitled to your own facts.

Perhaps with age, you will gain some wisdom…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4p8qxGbpOk

DannyX

September 2nd, 2012
6:30 pm

“Libs efforts to help the poor usually end up hurting the poor
Because they don’t understand economics”

Right, Republicans have a great understanding of economics. Bush was smart enough to know “this sucker could go down.” Great insight. Excellent understanding of economic principles.

(Hat tip to Getalife.)

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:30 pm

JM

I hardly see it as starving the poor…as for ethanol, are you suggesting we crawl under a rock and watch as Brazil eclipses us in that arena? The availability of a sustainable and cheap source of energy has played a significant role in their rocket rise to approaching first world status…

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:31 pm

Getalife 6:26

Unemployment benefits gradually
Entitlement reform (gradually)
Discretionary
Curtail student loan spending
Dial back food stamps
Block grant Medicaid which isn’t a cut but is more productive use of existing resources

You libs

September 2nd, 2012
6:32 pm

Orange12

Two months? Are you privy to some sinister plot that will end O’s administration before January (at the earliest)?

Do you know who Nate Silver is?

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:33 pm

Josef

Yes. Corn ethanol can’t compete cost wise with cane sugar based Brazilian ethanol

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
6:34 pm

bro was throwing a temper tantrum when no one was agreeing with him

Projecting harder than the Hubble Telescope… :lol:

josef

Forgot about that one. I haven’t been to any pow wow in a while. I’m past due to get in touch with my ancestors.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:35 pm

Josef 6:30

Go back and read some of the links I posted earlier

Without corn, many in the world are starving

You can thank our obsessively stupid idea of using it for fuel for that

Orange12

September 2nd, 2012
6:35 pm

“Two months? Are you privy to some sinister plot that will end O’s administration before January (at the earliest)?”

Nah, That’s approx. election time.

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:36 pm

“Only problem: Congress”

Exactly and the reason robme will not list specific plans and details because he knows the gop will do nothing but help billionaires.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:37 pm

Well of course Romney can’t get anything done without congress

I’d bet he can do a better job persuading congress than empty seat, introverted Obama

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:40 pm

The Obama ad on repeat down here

Clinton in it for the full 30 seconds

Obama is running on Clinton’s record

Too funny

What a p-ssy. Sorry, he is

USMC

September 2nd, 2012
6:41 pm

“First rule of digging holes: when in one, stop digging
Obama doesn’t get this”–JM

Ideologues, like Comrade Obama, usually have a hard time when confronted with facts and common sense; therefore, they CAN’T stop digging further. :-)

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:41 pm

JM
So, I guess you’d be in favor of cane but not corn? Have getalife and Jindal heard of your plan? :-)
Seriously, though, why is it that corn ethanol cannot compete? Part of it has to do with the infrastructural development here bouts…

BROSEPHUS

It was an interesting day out for a number of reasons…there were more melanin enhanced there this year it seemed, participants and on-lookers alike…

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:42 pm

JM

How many of those are starving in corn-based diet cultural milieux?

USMC

September 2nd, 2012
6:43 pm

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:44 pm

Josef

Sugar content in corn is lower than cane

Occupy protesting DNC in Charlotte

Too funny

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:44 pm

JM

“What a p-ssy. Sorry, he is”

So, you prefer a d*ck? Okay, if you say so. To each his own. :-)

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:46 pm

“Biden: Romney ready for war with Syria, Iran”

True.

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:47 pm

JM

Taking that content in mind, and I’m not arguing the chemistry, why has corn sweetner eclipsed cane sweetners?

Frankly, I do think we should be putting our emphasis on cane ethanol…sugar cane and sorghum…though in the latter case many of the starving are in sorghum based diet cultures…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 2nd, 2012
6:47 pm

…have a hard time when confronted with facts and common sense; therefore, they CAN’T stop digging further.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

:mrgreen: :lol: :eek: :lol: :razz: :razz: :eek: :lol: :cool:

Orange12

September 2nd, 2012
6:49 pm

Getalife,

You speak with forked tongue.

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
6:50 pm

Josef 6:44 I wasn’t a Nixon fan :)

Josef 6:47 taste and geographic proximity

Cane sugar is still used for soft drinks further south

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
6:51 pm

orange,

They will occupy Syria and Iran because they use the bush team.

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
6:52 pm

“Libs efforts to help the poor usually end up hurting the poor
Because they don’t understand economics”
But they do at least try, as opposed to trying to squeeze a few extra dollars out of ‘em.

Hey, jonix , Bro, Jam, et.al.

You libs

September 2nd, 2012
6:53 pm

Orange12

You understand that even after Obama was elected in 2008, he didn’t assume the office until 01/20/09, right?

Nate Silver was this guy who was infatuated with numbers as a two-year old. By the time he was in his teens he had manipulated the statistics of baseball players, their nationalities, their physiques. their pitching longevity, their slugging percentages, etc., etc. By crunching every number he could get his hands on, he put together a picture so reliable that he was able to sell himself and his ability to crunch numbers to major league baseball. His abilities made him comfortable.

During the last election, he decided to put his talents to use as a political poller and blogged his predictions as the FiveThirtyEight blog. He successfully predicted the result of every single senate race during that election. He was a little off on his presidential forecasts though; he thought that Indiana would go for McCain. He was accurate on every other prediction for every other electoral vote.

Silver had Obama as the winner in 2008 way back in early 2008. He has been calling this race for Obama since about the same time.

He’s not a hack. He just has this way of seeing the world brilliantly through aquireing and interpreting numbers.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 2nd, 2012
6:57 pm

fivethirtyeight comes from the NY Times.

They will never believe the NY Times.

Ragamuffin is the poll for them

TaxPayer

September 2nd, 2012
6:57 pm

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:58 pm

Mr B

Shalom! Trust the new year is getting off to a good start…

JM
Nothing quite like a coke made with real sugar!

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
6:58 pm

josef

Our ethanol “expert” knows very little about corn squeezin’s. I’m sure he doesn’t even know there’s an existing market for distiller’s grains where the corn that’s used for making ethanol, for consumption or combustion, is sold as feed to livestock farmers.

http://www.thebeefsite.com/articles/1699/distillers-grains

Distillers grains are a byproduct of whiskey and fuel ethanol production. They have a very long history of being fed to livestock; the first study in the United States about feeding distillers grains to cattle was published in 1907. The tremendous growth in fuel ethanol production has greatly increased the supply of distillers grains, resulting in increased interest in feeding them. Annual production of distillers grains (on a dry basis) was about 1 million tons in 1998, about 10 million tons in 2006, and is estimated to reach 16 million tons by 2010.

—————

http://www.coloradocorn.com/news-events/news/revisting-ethanols-impact-corn-and-feed-prices

Ethanol production also helps the livestock industry, Schott noted, because when corn is converted to ethanol only the starch is used. Distillers grains is a valuable coproduct that retains all the non-starch food and feed value of the corn used for ethanol. it provides all of the protein, minerals, nutrients, and oil from corn and returns it into the livestock feed supply chain.

Distillers grains availability will displace approximately 1.2 billion bushels of corn in livestock rations this year, providing a high-quality, high-value feed product for livestock producers. At approximately $200 per ton, this provides corn-equivalent protein and nutrients for livestock feed at the price equivalent of less than $1.75 per bushel.

So, in essence, corn that’s used for ethanol becomes dual-purposed corn. It provides ethanol, and it’s still used to feed livestock. The only other way to do the same thing is to find a way to squeeze ethanol from a turd.

josef

September 2nd, 2012
6:59 pm

TAXI
Love that stuff…Unmentionable makes a molasses cake to die for!

Orange12

September 2nd, 2012
7:00 pm

“They will occupy Syria and Iran because they use the bush team.”

What makes you say that. Do you really think we can afford another foreign adventure. Heck, we are not getting any help from our allies. This police action is a load of crap. It seems like we are losing one or two U.S. service members everyday. These are the reasons I don’t think Romney is in a hurry to send the troops out again especially with the impending projected cuts to DOD.

josef

September 2nd, 2012
7:03 pm

BROSEPHUS

Yep. I knew that from my family’s involvement in the firewater bidness, but I had not yet made the connection with ethanol production.

Orange12

September 2nd, 2012
7:03 pm

You libs,

No I haven’t heard of Nate. He sounds very impressive.

TaxPayer

September 2nd, 2012
7:04 pm

8‍) For when 7.99) just won’t do.

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
7:08 pm

Hiya Mr_B.

Just spinning the righteous tunes and having some fun at the expense of the messager of facts…

Jai, Guru, Deva, Om. (Glory to the shining remover of darkness.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uomY5h1hJwA

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
7:08 pm

Enter your comments here

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:10 pm

My two cents on the corn/ oil subsidy kerfluffe:

Brosephus™ seems to miss the point that the primary use of dent (field) corn is in fact in the production of foodstuffs. It’s just that we don’t eat the stuff directly; we feed it to animals (some of which aren’t particularly well adapted to eating it) and then we eat them. Relatively cheap corn makes a higher protein diet possible for a whole lot of people. Insofar as we use corn for energy, we increase the cost of protein.

jm seems to think we’re starvin’ poor li’l babies in Mexico because the price of tortillas is out the ceiling, without bothering to consider that the price of corn is actually set by that unfettered commodities market that he’s so fond of. How much of the purchase price of a bushel of corn goes into the pocket of some speculator that will never lay eyes on a single kernel of it, and would probably sh*t if he did.

IMO ethanol production from corn is too damn energy/ resource intensive to be economically viable for anything other than bourbon, but it makes more sense to subsidize that than to subsidize the search for a resource that we know with mathematical certainly we will run out of.

If you really want to grow energy, pay the guys in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin to plant sugar beets.

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
7:11 pm

josef

Ethanol’s nothing but good ol’ firewater with a gussied up name and additive that makes it taste bad. :)

Jm

September 2nd, 2012
7:12 pm

Bro keeps talking about livestock

Apparently unaware that poor people need and eat straight up corn meal

Oh well

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 2nd, 2012
7:13 pm

How much of the purchase price of a bushel of corn goes into the pocket of some speculator that will never lay eyes on a single kernel of it, and would probably sh*t if he did.

jm works in the financial services industry so he knows full well how the predatory class operates because he is one of them.

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:14 pm

Bro: Your 6:58 noted and filed for consideration.

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm

Mr_B

The thing is, distilled corn still has nearly all of it’s feed qualities with the exception of the decrease in starch due to fermentation. Check the first link I posted. Back in the day, people used the corn to feed livestock after they made their hooch. The corn isn’t just tossed out as many would seem to think is the case.

getalife

September 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm

orange,

Fool you once shame on you.

Fool you twice shame on you.

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm

There is a thriving “underground” community of distilling enthusiasts who circumvent them gol-durn reveneurs by getting a Federal experimental fuels exemption for their stills. It you make it to burn it, you don’t have to jump through about a million federal hoops.

Orange12

September 2nd, 2012
7:19 pm

“Fool you once shame on you.

Fool you twice shame on you.”

Why whatever do you mean?

josef

September 2nd, 2012
7:20 pm

BROSEPHUS

I can see the pumps now…cane ethanol? Pump “rum.”…corn ethanol? Pump “Bourbon” :-)

JM

Poor people eating straight up corn meal? Well, down here in Dixie, you don’t see a lot of folks looking like they’re missing out on the grits…

But seriously, the production of and availability of food corn in those societies with a corn-based diet is not an issue…

Jm-predator extraordinaire, aka panther man

September 2nd, 2012
7:20 pm

I love me some lib hyperbole

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
7:22 pm

For the fact averse:

According to the National Corn Growers Association, about eighty percent of all corn grown in the U.S. is consumed by domestic and overseas livestock, poultry, and fish production.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eetrxNlR-M

Jm-predator extraordinaire, aka panther man

September 2nd, 2012
7:22 pm

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:23 pm

I should have remembered that, although I don’t have any idea what the reduction in feed quality would be. Starch= calories= live weight.But I remember some of the old guys up around Fanin County talking about feeding hogs spent mash, back in the old days when white likker still had some corn in it. By my time, it was almost all sugar.

JamVet

September 2nd, 2012
7:24 pm

We need a new game here.

Every time Jm misuses he word fact, take a drink. (A guaranteed hangover maker!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n03a7cLf0M&feature=related

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
7:25 pm

Apparently unaware that poor people need and eat straight up corn meal

And when shown that corn that’s used for ethanol production still returns to the market for livestock doesn’t give you the idea that the food portion of field corn still goes to food, huh? There is no great shifting of corn supplies as you seem to think. Prices of lately have been affected more by market forces as opposed to being due to ethanol production.

However, jm, if it makes your bleeding liberal heart feel better, why not go plant a few thousand acres of field corn so you can make a difference?

Jm-predator extraordinaire, aka panther man

September 2nd, 2012
7:26 pm

Jamvet

Wrong

Half of us corn production is now used for ethanol

Liberals try to fix problems, and people die

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:27 pm

“Poor people eating straight up corn meal? Well, down here in Dixie, you don’t see a lot of folks looking like they’re missing out on the grits…”

Not to mention those Socialist Italians and that “polenta” nonsense.

Jm-predator extraordinaire, aka panther man

September 2nd, 2012
7:28 pm

“corn that’s used for ethanol production still returns to the market for livestock”

The stupid. It hurts.

Obviously farmers are feeding cattle from your tailpipe exhaust.

Bro, you win. The stupidity prize.

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:29 pm

“Liberals try to fix problems, and people die”

Liberal like to personalize things.

Give us a name.

Jm-predator extraordinaire, aka panther man

September 2nd, 2012
7:30 pm

Bro

I’m busy reducing carbon emissions already for a living

In a manner that doesn’t starve people

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
7:30 pm

Mr_B

I’ve slopped a few hogs in my youth that were partly fed with spent mash.

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jm

The reason I keep pointing to livestock is because the group that’s most affected by ethanol is the feed supply. Corn for other things keeps going where it’s going. Costs are rising for corn, but what commodity isn’t rising in cost right now? Any report you find on the effects on corn supply in regards to ethanol all look at livestock feed. Why not look at the links I provided. Those links have links to the respective reports they draw their conclusion from.

Mr_B

September 2nd, 2012
7:31 pm

DAMN, I’m starting to write like getalife!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

September 2nd, 2012
7:31 pm

jm 7:28 — drink!

josef

September 2nd, 2012
7:31 pm

JM

I’m familiar with those studies…they are biased against the corn-ethanol, and I’ve no objection to that per se, but what they do NOT take into account is that in the corn-based diet societies, Meso America and to a lesser degree the American South, while poverty is at issue, widespread hunger is not. These societies have their own version of Food Stamps to take care of that…

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
7:33 pm

Obviously farmers are feeding cattle from your tailpipe exhaust.

Dude, I’ve warned you about trying to ration oxygen to your 5 brain cells. See, that’s what happens when you try to think. Your attempt at sarcasm sucks, dude. Stick to what you do best… Cheerlead for Romney and talk about moving to Singapore. Those are about the two things you do good.

Brosephus™

September 2nd, 2012
7:34 pm

DAMN, I’m starting to write like getalife!

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Jm-predator extraordinaire, aka panther man

September 2nd, 2012
7:35 pm

I have a big green egg to tend to

Toodles

josef

September 2nd, 2012
7:36 pm

BROSEPHUS

He’s out to corner the cornbread and grits market in Singapore? :-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

September 2nd, 2012
7:37 pm

josef:

Slavery is alive and well in Georgia.

As hot and humid as it was out there, I saw a poor woman at the park awhile ago trying to play with her kids. Only problem was she was draped in black from head to toe and only a little “slit” for her eyes.

Now some of you libs. will say that’s freedom of religion and she voluntarily does that.

Well, “freedom of religion” has always been curtailed in this country by what it right and decent and if you think it’s voluntary I have some land in Florida I would like to show you.

josef

September 2nd, 2012
7:37 pm

JM

“I have a big green egg to tend to”

Corn fed poke chops no doubt… :-)