Let’s raise a glass to the hard-working people! (You and me)
As we slide into the Labor Day weekend, I cannot think of a more appropriate way to mark the holiday than to enlist some exceedingly rich people — all of them self-made capitalists of course — to sing the praises of the hard-working people, the lowly of birth, the rag-tagged people, the salt of the earth.
So … SAAALLLUTTTTE!
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 2nd, 2012
3:59 pm
Moonie dead at 92.
kayaker 71
September 2nd, 2012
4:00 pm
larry, 3:45,
I don’t that Bain Capital means a tinker’s damn to the average voter. Bain is not the issue. It is a distraction….. a sidelight. Nothing more. It almost seems like the libs are saying, “Let’s try this”. No, that didn’t work, “let’s try this”. All the while dodging the real issues on the economy and Bozo’s lack of leadership. He is a failure, larry…… an utter, abysmal failure. Romney will win with a 320 electoral vote majority or I’ll buy you the coldest beer in Atlanta.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm
DannyX
Yes they are
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Dang, skydog. I was in some rice paddies at the time. Actually in the radio room of an ammo ship in the Gulf of Tonkin. I was with y’all in spirit, though.
I live in Athens, but I hope I can catch a gig sometime at the BBQ joint when I’m in the ATL.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
4:03 pm
Kay
Oo. Where does one get the coldest beer in Atlanta?
Just for future reference…..
DannyX
September 2nd, 2012
4:03 pm
“Yes they are”
Just wait until that gas nozzle tries to enter you. I bet you scream.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
DannyX
Nope
I drive a Prius
kayaker 71
September 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
Jm, 4:03,
Not sure. I live in Macon so larry might have to come down here.
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
4:06 pm
you libs,
Yeah the royalties thing and lawyers can take forever.
Have you seen “The Festable Express”. It took like 30 years to get it released.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnqIuXj9JA
DannyX
September 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm
“I drive a Prius”
So you got tired of being screwed by the oil companies. Good for you Jm.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm
I love socialism
Socialism is for people sick in the head
Ram Kishen, 52, half-blind and half- starved, holds in his gnarled hands the reason for his hunger: a tattered card entitling him to subsidized rations that now serves as a symbol of India’s biggest food heist.
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Day laborers move sacks of rice at the Uttar Pradesh state warehouse in Mishrikh in Uttar Pradesh, India. Photographer: Sanjit Das/Bloomberg
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A caretaker exits the closed fair price store of Satnapur Village in Uttar Pradesh, India. Photographer: Sanjit Das/Bloomberg
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A day laborer walks past piles of covered grains outside the Uttar Pradesh state warehouse in Mishrikh in Uttar Pradesh, India. Photographer: Sanjit Das/Bloomberg
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Sangathin activist Surbala Vaish in Satnapur Village, Uttar Pradesh, India. Photographer: Sanjit Das/Bloomberg
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Locally elected politician Anoop Gupta in Sitapur, Uttar Pradesh, India. Photographer: Sanjit Das/Bloomberg
Kishen has had nothing from the village shop for 15 months. Yet 20 minutes’ drive from Satnapur, past bone-dry fields and tiny hamlets where children with distended bellies play, a government storage facility five football fields long bulges with wheat and rice. By law, those 57,000 tons of food are meant for Kishen and the 105 other households in Satnapur with ration books. They’re meant for some of the 350 million families living below India’s poverty line of 50 cents a day.
Instead, as much as $14.5 billion in food was looted by corrupt politicians and their criminal syndicates over the past decade in Kishen’s home state of Uttar Pradesh alone, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The theft blunted the country’s only weapon against widespread starvation — a five-decade-old public distribution system that has failed to deliver record harvests to the plates of India’s hungriest.
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
4:12 pm
Yeah you libs, come on over anytime.
We were with ya`ll who were over there too. We went about our protest in weird ways at times, but the protest were against Nixon, not the troops. The troops were our friends and neighbors.
Rabbit
September 2nd, 2012
4:14 pm
It seems insane that Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama are the reddest of states when the policies they support are wildly against their interests. President Johnson predicted something like it in 1965, but even he would be dumbfounded by the craziness of it.
We have a black President and the four states with the highest percentage of slave ownership named above just can’t seem to let it go. Then again, it’s only been 147 years.
TaxPayer
September 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm
Republicans like India’s business model–cheap labor with no regulations. That’s why they outsource so many jobs there.
TaxPayer
September 2nd, 2012
4:16 pm
A Prius uses a gasoline.
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
4:18 pm
Hey you libs,
If your friends want to interview me about Byron if would not take long.
“ah….yeah….big fun, is all I remember.
Rabbit
September 2nd, 2012
4:21 pm
Words you won’t find in the original US Constitution ( hat tip to Kiernan and d’Agnese)
God, black, white, women, slavery, all men are created equal, pursuit of happiness, marriage, and separation of church and state.
Celebrate Constitution day September 17
pogo
September 2nd, 2012
4:23 pm
In about 60 days the liberalism/progressivisim/socialism/insanity that is Obama (or whatever you want to it) will once again banished from American politics for another long term. It happens like that you know. The people vote them in every 8 to 12 ears but once they are in power, the people once again awaken from their stupor and realize that they hate and find repugnant the liberal welfare state ideology of presidents such as Obama (and those that support him). The people always come around you know..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm
In about 60 days the liberalism/progressivisim/socialism/insanity that is Obama (or whatever you want to it) will once again banished…
Spiking the ball early.
TaxPayer
September 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Fuel economy ratings.
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
4:30 pm
skydog
I came back through Travis AFB in San Fran and was never disrespected by anyone in any way. I had more respect for the guys in the anti-war effort than I did for those of us who allowed ourselves to be used by the politicians in the name of “obedience.”
My closest buddy in the military ended up deserting after his request for CO status was denied. While I was still in the bay area awaiting my final discharge, he showed up out of the blue (he lived up in Humbolt co.) and and was excited about taking me to the Filmore to see this band from Macon, GA that was killing everything. I had developed a keen interest in slide guitar and just couldn’t get enough of it.
Did I mention the Orange Sunshine?
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
4:31 pm
Ethanol producers and corn farmers
Now those are leeches
And people are starving as a result
Definitely NOT intended to be a remotely factual statement.
http://www.ethanol.org/news/index.php?newsid=4
Misunderstanding corn for human consumption
- Many don’t realize that corn for ethanol and corn for human consumption are two different types. Field corn, the type used to feed livestock, goes into ethanol production. Sweet corn, a very small portion of the U.S. crop, is the type eaten by humans.
– Critics routinely overstate how much corn is consumed as human food; in reality, less than 10 percent of the U.S. corn crop is annually used for human food in the form of sweeteners, cereals, etc.
- Corn’s customers, in order, historically have been: the livestock sector, export markets, processors (including ethanol), and lastly, humans.
– Those spinning the “food vs. fuel” debate suggest that U.S. corn exports go directly to feed the malnourished in developing countries and that ethanol directly removes food from those in need. In reality, the majority of corn exports from the U.S. are used to feed livestock in developed countries.
– There is more food per capita today on a global scale than ever before, according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization. Lack of infrastructure, access to capital, political instability, and other issues are the more likely causes of hunger than scarcity of food.
But, ummmm, yeah the people who eat field corn are the most likely to notice a big difference in the amount of vegetables they have to eat.
larry
September 2nd, 2012
4:32 pm
I don’t that Bain Capital means a tinker’s damn to the average voter
I think it does , especially when Mr. Romney uses that so called business experience of his to claim he created jobs.
Then the truth comes out. You best believe it means a tinker’s damn.
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
Bain is not the issue. It is a distraction….. a sidelight. Nothing more. It almost seems like the libs are saying, “Let’s try this”. No, that didn’t work, “let’s try this”.
Yeah, and what do you make of the disappointing “Black” president crap? The school transcripts?? The birth certificate?? Sounds like you’re talking from experience.
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
4:38 pm
bro
The ethanol program is definitely a sop to the corn lobby. It should be ended and that money invested in something more promising. I gotta go with Jm on that one.
Rafe Hollister
September 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/01/france-politics-idUSL6E8K10FL20120901
Sometimes you get everything you wish for. Doesn’t appear anyone in France is happy with their choice. Guess he inherited the mess from Sarkozy and Hollande is not to blame.
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
4:46 pm
The ethanol program is definitely a sop to the corn lobby. It should be ended and that money invested in something more promising.
Why just target the ethanol subsidy? Producing ethanol here at home does help to stretch our fuel supply to cause us to rely on less imported oil. Personally, if you’re not talking about ending all subsidies, I think you’re whistling past the graveyard.
One has to wonder though, if there’s a correlation with our increased production of ethanol and our increased exportation of refined fuels. After all, there were more dollars made from exporting fuel last year than there was in exporting aircraft, and fuel exports haven’t been #1 in a long, long time.
Soothsayer
September 2nd, 2012
4:47 pm
Rafe: if Sarkozy was doing such a great job, how come Hollande was elected?
Oscar
September 2nd, 2012
4:49 pm
Ethonal made from corn used in gasolene seemed like a good idea at the time. But it didn’t work out in real live. Time to shut it down.
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
4:51 pm
you libs,
It was some wild times those `60s
In 1961 as an 11 year old, I`m trying to make sense out of “separate but equal” and the civil rights marches and then comes the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs would not have had much impact on me, but I lived in Albany.
Albany had the largest Marine Corp supply center on the east coast. You could not get across Albany because of the material going to Miami. But that wasn`t the scariest part. Every B-52 on the east coast was stationed in Albany and did continuous loops all day, every day.
We quit going to the drive in because you could not hear for the B-52s.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
4:52 pm
Taxpayer
It does
But ot much of it
larry
September 2nd, 2012
4:53 pm
The tax strategy — which is viewed as perfectly legal by some tax experts, aggressive by others and potentially illegal by some — came to light last month when hundreds of pages of Bain’s internal financial documents were made available online. The financial statements show that at least $1 billion in accumulated fees that otherwise would have been taxed as ordinary income for Bain executives had been converted into investments producing capital gains, which are subject to a federal tax of 15 percent, versus a top rate of 35 percent for ordinary income. That means the Bain partners saved more than $200 million in federal income taxes and more than $20 million in Medicare taxes.
And guess who has to make that up. Thats right, we do. We get stuck with the bill. And with their tax plan, we will pay $2,000 more to support their ” tax avoidance”.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
4:54 pm
Bro
Looks like you’re losing this debate
Even on a board of liberals
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 2nd, 2012
4:56 pm
Looks like you’re losing…
There’s your sign.
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:01 pm
Oscar
I say end ALL subsidies. Soon as you see anything resembling that coming together, businesses and industries will whine more than the whiners here.
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
5:03 pm
Here`s you sign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnqIuXj9JA
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:03 pm
Assuming you could point out the oil subsidies
At least people aren’t starving from using oil, since you can’t eat it
Unlike corn
On the contrary oil helps feed the world by powering the machinery needed to feed the world
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:03 pm
Looks like you’re losing this debate
And what makes you figure that anti-Einstein? What part of end ALL subsidies do you not understand? I’d say you’re the one championing welfare here dude, so you’re losing. I might appear to be losing on a board of liberals, but you’re just as liberal as the board. So, who’s really losing?
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:04 pm
bro
Oscar’s thoughts above echo my sentiments.
skydog
We are definitely from the same time and place (I grew up in Augusta starting in ‘49). Bay of Pigs, and the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis were probably the tensest times I can remember as an American. Did you guys do the bomb drills in school? Like getting under your desk would provide any protection whatsoever from a nuclear attack.
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:06 pm
jm
And where do people eat field corn? Gimme the answer to that one. You do know there are several types of corn, right? The majority of corn that’s grown in the US is exported to be used as feed in other countries. That’s feed, as in animal feed. The corn that’s fit for human consumption make up less than 15% (I think) of all corn crops here in the US. Ain’t nobody starving, unless you count your brain cells that are being deprived of oxygen.
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
5:06 pm
Uh oh, bad link
Here`s you sign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLm3HMG8IhM
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:06 pm
For the record, Jm, I agree with Bro about, 99.997 percent of the time. Don’t let me agreeing with you that other.003% lead to a premature spikegasm.
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:06 pm
You libs
I’ll ask you the same question then, why only ethanol subsidies?
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:07 pm
Bro
Even Oscar and you libs agree the ethanol subsidies should end
Just saying
Don’t sweat it
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:13 pm
Big oil subsidies should end not green energy stupid.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 2nd, 2012
5:13 pm
What part of end ALL subsidies do you not understand?
Every bit of it.
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:14 pm
Bro
There are probably some good reasons to subsidize some things but I agree with you that most subsidies are welfare programs, not for those who need the support, but for those who can afford the lobbyists.
Tundra Dude
September 2nd, 2012
5:14 pm
larry:
And with their tax plan, we will pay $2,000 more to support their ” tax avoidance”.
After the election, you might be able to get in on it, too.
Heard Romney’s already writing a book, (soon to be a bestseller)
“Tax Avoidance for DUMMIES”
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:17 pm
jm
Even Oscar and you libs agree
I don’t know who “you libs” are supposed to include, but I’m not a part of that group. I’m not a “lib” regardless to how you and those voices you listen to think. As I said, end ALL subsidies, and then I’ll agree with you libs. Otherwise, you’re talking loud and saying nothing.
You still haven’t answered the question about field corn? Whatsamatta, you to ashamed to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about? Are you afraid to admit some country youngin’ from Alabama proved you wrong in agriculture?
That’s alright, don’t sweat it. I’m used to you not admitting when you’re wrong.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm
Bro
See above silly
“you libs”
JamVet
September 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm
I came back through Travis AFB in San Fran and was never disrespected by anyone in any way. I had more respect for the guys in the anti-war effort than I did for those of us who allowed ourselves to be used by the politicians in the name of “obedience.”
Right On.
I asked one of the more delusional cons (I know it’s hard to figure that one out!) if she really thought this country would be better off with no anti-war voices.
And what a shocker, Dusty, now banished to Wingfield’s, never answered.
It’s been the same thing ever since Nixon, the real American patriots, like the OWS and anti-war protesters, are vilified by the fake conservatives, why the real criminals, like the banksters and chickenhawks in congress are glorified…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGFD-rqqQhI
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm
The cons are coming.
Kyle shut down his blog again.
paulo977
September 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm
Jam Vet
Fogelberg ?….a favorite here
So to you from where it has just started raining here in my neck of the woods in GA!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dW_zuE6aw
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm
Bro
You’re clearly getting desperate
Ask any corn question you want
Chill dude
You’re way too wound up
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm
You libs
I disagree on the subsidies. If we are supposed to have a free market, subsidies corrupts the market. In the current state of our “free market”, we’re getting the porn star treatment from companies. They’re getting tax loopholes that you can fit a 2nd world economy through. They’re getting tax cut after tax cut. And to top it off, they’re getting tax dollars in the form of subsidies. The taxpayer/consumer is getting screwed from both ends at the same time without as much as a complimentary reach around.
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:22 pm
jm’s failed party can’t even cut big oil welfare.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:23 pm
Bro’s upset he’s losing
It’s ok….
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:23 pm
Please name and describe in detail said “oil subsidies”
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:25 pm
You’re clearly getting desperate
Nope.
You’re way too wound up
Nope.
I’m simply asking you to back up the crap you said earlier about people starving because of ethanol production. You made the statement. You can choose to prove yourself right and me wrong in the process. Or, you can continue to attempt to deflect as you’re currently doing because you know you CAN’T back up your statement.
I’m calm, cool, collected, and enjoying watching you deflect to avoid having to acknowledge you’re wrong. There are probably others watching and enjoying this too. There’s nothing more fun than proving someone wrong who’s ego is too large to admit when they are wrong.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:27 pm
Bro
Corn is a staple in mexico and many other countries
The drought AND ethanol use has restricted corn availability for many poor
They are starving because of corn ethanol subsidies
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:29 pm
As usual, jm has no idea what he is talking about.
Typical con .
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:29 pm
Bro
Yuck it up
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=5518
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:29 pm
You’re preaching to the choir, Bro.
BTW, I have read the term “you libs” for so long now on so may forums I really identify with the name. That’s how the choice of my handle came about.
I don’t post here much and I don’t like the way ArcherDanielsMidland et al play the game so I think I’m confusing you. Try to understand that I’m not an adversary.
JamVet
September 2nd, 2012
5:29 pm
paulo, he’s in my top five all time.
I bought every one of those first seven albums and wore everyone of them out.
I was fortunate enough to see him three times and the power of his concerts was absolutely palpable.
The first time was at the horrible Omni, but when he stopped singing this song and let the thousands there sing it, it was incredibly emotional. I’m not ashamed to say that I cried when I read that he had died. He was barely 56 year sold…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNvp7w341I
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:31 pm
Bro
You’re officially in the “willfully ignorant and therefore stupid” category for me now
Oh well. Not a surprise I suppose
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 2nd, 2012
5:31 pm
You’re way too wound up
More projection in that statement than at an IMAX theater.
Just sayin’.
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:32 pm
Jm
Because I don’t post here much, I thought for the briefest moment that you might be a reasonable person.
Oops. My bad.
Yes = Obama; No = Romney
September 2nd, 2012
5:33 pm
There is only one question each of us needs to ask ourselves onTuesday, November 6, 2012 –
“Yes or no? Are Americans better off today then they were four years ago?”
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:34 pm
More
http://hir.harvard.edu/agriculture/corn-ethanol-as-energy
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:35 pm
This too easy
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/62609/c-ford-runge-and-benjamin-senauer/how-biofuels-could-starve-the-poor
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:36 pm
You libs
Go ahead and expund on why I’m an unreasonable person
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:37 pm
Expound
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
5:38 pm
I drive a Chevy, so I`m better off because I can still buy Chevy parts. Thanks Obama
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:40 pm
Waiting on the oil subsidies list
Don’t worry I’m not holding my breath
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 2nd, 2012
5:40 pm
rabbit @ 4:21
“Words you won’t find in the original US Constitution ( hat tip to Kiernan and d’Agnese)
God, black, white, women, slavery, all men are created equal, pursuit of happiness, marriage, and separation of church and state. Celebrate Constitution day September 17″
1) done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the YEAR OF OUR LORD (emphasis added) one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
2) If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (SUNDAYS EXCEPTED)(emphsis added)after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Just sayin’
G Mare
September 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm
Skydog re signs: Priceless!
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm
I’m being used to support the argument of a conservative, Brosephus is defending the invisible hand of the free market…
What the heck is going on here?
I’m going with a burst of gamma rays from a supernova.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
September 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm
Go ahead and expund on why I’m an unreasonable person
Why is water wet?
skydog
September 2nd, 2012
5:42 pm
Yeah, that was funny G Mare
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:43 pm
Sugarcane ethanol will make you lose weight .
A win win down here is sugarcane country.
pogo
September 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm
The French elected a socialist (Hollande) and a mere six months after he is elected they are already to put him on the guillotine. In some ways the French are obviously dumber than the Americans (for having elected a socialist in the first place after having experienced what progressive socialism has brought upon them and their country, and the whole of Europe for that matter) but they are way smarter than Americans in ttheir ability to understand that in 6 short months they made a horrible mistake. It has taken some Americans 4 years to realize that they made a horrible mistake in 2008 and to this day some won’t admit it. Some Americans are really, really dumb.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:46 pm
Getalife
Whatchyatalkinabout?
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:47 pm
You libs
I don’t think you’re an adversary. I’m merely asking as to why the focus on ethanol subsidies. I don’t like any of them, so I’d have no problem with ending the one on ethanol, just as long as they were all ended together. Let the market stand up on it’s own instead of relying on taxpayers to prop it up.
—————–
Corn is a staple in mexico and many other countries
The drought AND ethanol use has restricted corn availability for many poor
They are starving because of corn ethanol subsidies
And your link does nothing to back that up…
Corn for human consumption is not the same as the corn used for ethanol. Is it the responsibility for the US to provide cheap corn to the rest of the world? We’re now in a global market, so when we have to pay global prices for gas, others have to pay global prices for corn.
Are you suggesting that the rest of the world is starving because we’re no longer subsidizing their corn needs? Even a lib like you can’t be saying that.
http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/cropmajor.html
According to the National Corn Growers Association, about eighty percent of all corn grown in the U.S. is consumed by domestic and overseas livestock, poultry, and fish production. The crop is fed as ground grain, silage, high-moisture, and high-oil corn. About 12% of the U.S. corn crop ends up in foods that are either consumed directly (e.g. corn chips) or indirectly (e.g. high fructose corn syrup). It also has a wide array of industrial uses including ethanol, a popular oxygenate in cleaner burning auto fuels.
http://ncga.com/ethanol/13-ethanol-and-livestock/
The study, which utilized Texas A&M University’s Agricultural & Food Policy Center’s premier farm-level modeling system and data from the University of Missouri’s Food & Agricultural Policy Research Institute, determined that net cash farm incomes for representative beef-cow and dairy operations had increased since provisions of the biofuels mandate went into effect. This conclusion verifies NCGA’s position that increased ethanol production has not negatively impacted the profitability of key livestock markets.
The study was written in response to ongoing allegations that increased ethanol production resulting from the expanded RFS had caused financial insecurity in livestock and dairy operations by spurring an increase in feed prices. Researchers looked at changes in input and output prices in January 2007 and January 2011 for beef-cow and dairy operations in 12 states, with consideration given to overall market changes. The final analysis concluded that while higher feed costs do exist, the profitability of all operations examined had increased over the four-year period as a result of increased output prices.
“While it is easy to reiterate artificial arguments against the use of ethanol, we believe this study clearly illustrates the fallacies on which they are often based,” said Schott. “This study again concludes that, in reality, we do not have to choose between using corn for food or fuel.”
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:48 pm
Hollander wants a 75% tax rate on the rich
Obama thinks he’s brilliant
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:50 pm
I’m being used to support the argument of a conservative, Brosephus is defending the invisible hand of the free market…
Well, in full disclosure, dealing with jm is kinda like living in a world where water is dry and sand is wet.
I laugh at the accusations of me being a “lib” here because I probably am more “free market” than many of those here who think they are. You have to think of jm as that crazy uncle/cousin who’s always in his pajamas and stays locked up in the basement watching reruns of Gunsmoke.
DannyX
September 2nd, 2012
5:51 pm
“Yes or no? Are Americans better off today then they were four years ago?”
I’m nostalgic for the good ol’ days. It seems like just yesterday that 750,000 jobs were being lost every month, good times, good, times. I Loved watching the banking meltdown, it was romantic in a way. Watching my house lose value every month was better than watching college football. I miss the days when I couldn’t sell my house, even if I tried. Counting the bank failures in Georgia is something I miss, it was a fun game the whole family enjoyed.
Which is why I’m voting for Romney. Happy days are here again…I hope.
JamVet
September 2nd, 2012
5:51 pm
Go ahead and expund on why I’m an unreasonable person
Your persona here is one of a truly miserable person.
To wit, your food stamp comment about me earlier.
Most decent people are happy when others are doing well/better.
You?
If you do not understand or “like” them, you are happiest when they aren’t.
That is messed up.
Another one of those bands who just lit it up…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO3I_YfcY48
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:53 pm
Bro
You’re rabbit hole is too deep and full of insanities
This all I’ll say and I’m done with your stupidity
We’re not subsidizing world corn prices when we sell our corn on the free market silly
None of your data had a thing to do with the corn market to which I was referring, but rather the livestock market, which the poor are too poor to be able to afford to eat. Duh
Bye
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:53 pm
Pretty simple even for you jm (using your logic),
No sugar for products like corn silly.
Starving the kids from sugar is a good thing con.
You libs
September 2nd, 2012
5:54 pm
Jm
I don’t know you well enough to expound from any base of experience. I will say, though, that your taking my agreement with you (kinda like Obama trying to work with Republicans those first two years) over ethanol subsidies and using it in a way that would suggest that I totally refute the positions of Brosephus was disappointing.
Maybe to suggest, if I did, that you are totally unreasonable was a leap. I don’t know that for sure.
Mea Culpa.
DannyX
September 2nd, 2012
5:54 pm
“The French elected a socialist (Hollande) and a mere six months after he is elected they are already to put him on the guillotine.”
Lets send W to France, they’ll love him, throw flowers at him and treat him like a liberator.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 2nd, 2012
5:55 pm
From today’s New York Times ………. very interesting:
“No Easy Day”
“It is only after the George W. Bush presidency that the author begins complaining about the slow-moving “Washington machine” that members of the SEALs found frustrating. That irritation mounts in 2011, when the SEALs anxiously awaited their signal to raid Abbottabad, but this account is determined to steer clear of serious politics or leave itself open to election-season manipulation. The worst it has to say about President Obama is that none of the fighters who caught bin Laden wanted to help re-elect him, and that he never followed through on a promise to invite them to the White House for a beer.
The manner in which bin Laden died, in this book’s version, differs crucially but not materially from other accounts. The author says that his team’s point man shot bin Laden — who also peeked at the SEALs and showed himself to a sniper — before the team even entered his living quarters; that bin Laden was shot again as he lay on the floor with a grievous head wound; and that the SEALs shot to kill.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/books/no-easy-day-by-mark-owen-with-kevin-maurer.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&hp
G Mare
September 2nd, 2012
5:55 pm
Must preface this with: I am not an expert, but it is my impression/opinion that subsidies are going to ConAgra & many big oil companies. That seems totally wrong to me. It seems to me that the family farms & other small businesses are the ones who should be getting the subsidies, not the huge corporations, most of whom pay almost no taxes!
Oh, and thanks for the Fogelberg (sp?) music!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
September 2nd, 2012
5:57 pm
Jm:
I see some of the libs. on here have already resorted to invectives against you as opposed to polite debate. Par for the course.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:57 pm
Getalife 5:53 I agree
mostly anyway
You libs
I merely pointed out that you also though ethanol subsidies were a bad idea as you stated
No sin there I don’t think
G Mare
September 2nd, 2012
5:58 pm
And another thing, my townhouse is now worth $20,000 less than I paid for it. Thanks, Mr.Bush.
getalife
September 2nd, 2012
5:58 pm
“Some Americans are really, really dumb.”
Yeah, they elected w twice and now will not even say his name.
You got one right pogo.
Congrats.
Jm
September 2nd, 2012
5:59 pm
Thought
Scout 5:57 indeed
Though I’ve given as much or more than I’ve gotten
Bro is in lala land today (and maybe everyday)
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
5:59 pm
None of your data had a thing to do with the corn market to which I was referring, but rather the livestock market, which the poor are too poor to be able to afford to eat. Duh
And until that moment, you haven’t uttered a friggin’ word about livestock? YOu simply said people were starving because of ethanol. You still haven’t proven as much. Where are the starving people located? Do they import our corn to feed their livestock or do they import our livestock to eat?
You’re the one digging the hole dude. You’re trying to argue a point using generalities so broad the Milky Way galaxy has a better defined beginning and end.
Soon as you knew your argument was bunk, you started diverting instead of answering direct questions. No wonder you’re so gung ho on Romney. The two of you think that somebody’s going to believe you simply because you make some broad sweeping statement. I’m not one of the gullible sheep like you. If you assert something, then you’d better be able to back it up.
Brosephus™
September 2nd, 2012
6:02 pm
Jm:
I see some of the libs. on here have already resorted to invectives against you as opposed to polite debate. Par for the course.
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Bro is in lala land today (and maybe everyday)