Gov. Deal chooses party loyalty over Ga. citizenry
Gov. Nathan Deal faced a choice. He could choose to be loyal to his party’s political ideology, or he could choose to be loyal to some 650,000 of his fellow Georgians in need of health insurance.
He has chosen loyalty to party, declining to let Georgia participate in the expansion of Medicaid coverage offered through Obamacare. The result will be unnecessary illness, unnecessary pain and yes, unnecessary death. That may sound harsh, but it is also stark reality: When you deny health -care coverage to hundreds of thousands of people, as Deal has decided to do, those outcomes are inevitable.
There will be other consequences as well. The decision blocks an influx of billions and billions of federal health -care dollars — an estimated $14.5 billion between 2014 and 2019 alone — that would provoke significant job growth. Georgia taxpayers will be paying to fund that expanded coverage in other states, most of which will take it eagerly, but their governor has decided that they’ll get none of the benefits.
Turning that money away will also raise the risk of closure by rural hospitals, which are already struggling under the financial burden of providing so much care to the uninsured. (Last year, Georgia hospitals lost an estimated $1.5 billion caring for people without insurance, and rural residents are more likely to be uninsured than their urban and suburban counterparts.)
Medicaid expansion would have been a lifesaver to those hospitals and to the doctors who practice there, but that lifesaver has now been yanked away. That will have significant economic-development implications for Georgia beyond the immediate loss of federal dollars. The availability of modern health -care facilities is a prime consideration for any business or industry looking to relocate. As rural hospitals close and doctors leave, employers will leave as well, taking with them the last hope of prosperity for many small communities.
In announcing his decision at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Deal cited the potential cost to Georgia taxpayers, which his administration estimates at $4.5 billion over a 10-year period. However, independent cost estimates put the state’s share of expansion much lower. The Kaiser Family Foundation estimates it at $714 million for the first five years of the program, or roughly 0.17 percent of state GDP. The Urban Institute puts it at $716 million for the first six years.
However, as Tim Sweeney of the Georgia Budget and Policy Institute points out, even the governor’s figure of $4.5 billion “would represent only a 1.9 percent increase in total state spending.”
In assessing the costs, you also have to look at two other things: How great is the need for expanded health coverage in Georgia, and how much does the state already spend? Are we already spending as much if not more than other states?
Hardly. Georgia is 47th in state health spending per capita. It is 49th in the amount it spends per Medicaid patient. Twenty percent of our citizens are uninsured, the fifth-highest uninsured rate in the nation, and we stand at 39th in life expectancy. Yet according to the governor, we can’t afford to address any of those issues, even if it means a stronger state economy and better health care and longer lives for hundreds of thousands of Georgians.
We can, however, afford hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new Falcons stadium, not to mention billions of dollars in tax breaks to businesses. Priorities, you know.
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
3:10 pm
“I’ll be glad when none of you bigots are able to use a single molecule of oxygen. Maybe this country will start to heal then.”
Brocephus must have read my 2:37 and is outraged over this latest example of racism coming out of Fulton county.
skydog
August 31st, 2012
3:11 pm
10 minutes after the convention Clint makes a call to the White House and says, “OK Mr President, everything went as planned”.
chris rock
Mick
August 31st, 2012
3:12 pm
brosephus
I feel your pain and its so damn frustrating day in and day out with that garbage. Here’s one for you: A reporter asked Ghandi what he thought of western civilization, he replied, ” I think it would be a good idea”…
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 31st, 2012
3:13 pm
Enter your comments here
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 31st, 2012
3:13 pm
With Message of ‘Jobs… Lots of Jobs’ … “
……….In China and India………..
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
3:14 pm
Doom
They’re included. I don’t discriminate. You think I’m gonna give them a pass or something??? Unlike the people you associate with based on political leanings, I don’t cater to bigotry of any kind, nor do I excuse any of it. Maybe one day, others will be able to point the finger at their own as well.
HDB
August 31st, 2012
3:14 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
2:42 pm
Scout…dom’t hate the messenger…….that’s what the GOP has done!!
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
2:46 pm
Domm….I’m opposed to what happened….but I can understand it better than you could!! You should hope that this nation could get past this…but the problem is that too many on one side still have the racial animus…and too many on the other are looking for payback!! Pure and simple…..
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 31st, 2012
3:16 pm
If South Africa can heal (mostly), why can’t the U.S.?
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
3:16 pm
So Doom, when you gonna call out YOUR fellow conservatives for that crap?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 31st, 2012
3:17 pm
I don’t know what jay has in mind for FNM tonight or if we are just free wheelin’ but I dedicate this to all you Wild Turkeys out there…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgy6AVkZmeo
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 31st, 2012
3:17 pm
Ten minutes after hell freezes over and sh###t stopped stinking.
HDB
August 31st, 2012
3:19 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
2:15 pm
“Bernanke: Fed Must Do More On Unemployment… Awful Jobs Market A ‘Grave Concern’
Then why aren’t you railing against the REPUBLICANS in CONGRESS who won’t work towards the Jobs Bill that Obama wants to bring forward? Oh yea….Mitch McConnell (”We want to make him a ‘one-term President’”) and John Boehner (”We’re saying NO to everything!”)………
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:21 pm
“The Man from Bloomfield Hills” — The Mitt Romney Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqvO1biXS38&feature=player_embedded
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
3:22 pm
Brocephus,
That’s what I thought. Just wanted to make sure. My thing is that I hold everybody accountable for their own racism and that includes black people. The only way to advance beyond race in my opinion is to hold everyone to the same standard- in everything.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:22 pm
We’ve already had the Arguing with Idiots post for the day. Here’s the Overcooked Rhetoric of the Day: equating Obama with Jesus.
How was jesus judged by hanging out with the dregs of jerusalem in his day? Crucified…
Matti
August 31st, 2012
3:24 pm
“If South Africa can heal (mostly), why can’t the U.S.?”
Good question.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:24 pm
Honorable mention for Overcooked Rhetoric:
Segregation Yesterday! Segregation Tomorrow! Segregation Forever!!!
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2012
3:24 pm
“I apologize if I offended you in any way by recounting your story”
No offense! I just wanted to be sure it was exactly right.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2012
3:25 pm
The only way to advance beyond race in my opinion is to hold everyone to the same standard- in everything
Well except of course when that “race” thing is directed at voting….then PA is a complete supporter.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:26 pm
Marcus & Matti,
What must happen before the “US heals?”
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:26 pm
Mr. Marcus, South Africa doesn’t have Republicans…
Reagan and the racist South African regime. Reagan was very slow to criticize the South African Apartheid regime. He vetoed economic sanctions against the regime (Congress overrode the veto). Reagan’s political ally, the Reverend Jerry Falwell, traveled to South Africa and endorsed the apartheid regime– encouraging his flock to buy Kruggarands in order to offset sanctions against the regime. Falwell referred to Nobel laureate Bishop Desmond Tutu as a “phony.” (Note: during the 1960’s, Falwell used the Bible to justify the preservation of Jim Crow laws by arguing that blacks were stricken with the “Curse of Ham” and thus, it was God’s plan that they be submissive to white people).
• In 1983, as a show to the South, Reagan fired three members of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission and replaced them with right-wing ideologues.
TaxPayer
August 31st, 2012
3:27 pm
During these past four days at the RNC convention, janitors have worked around the clock picking up after delegates, conservative stars like Ann Coulter and Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), and the thousands of reporters in cavernous filing rooms. And many are doing so making less than minimum wage.
Carolyn Walker said she has been cleaning the convention center for 13 years. She had been making $8 per hour until a few years ago, when the cleaning contract went to another company, Cleanevent USA. The new company meant a new, downsized paycheck. She’s now making minimum wage — $7.67 per hour. But that wasn’t the only hit to her wallet.
Walker said the company charges her $6 per week for uniforms. “It stinks to tell you the truth,” she said. “We work very hard.” It effectively means she’s making less than Florida’s minimum wage.
You people are supposed to show some gratitude for the jobs that the Republicans done brought to ya. The next thing you know, they’ll be demanding health insurance or sick leave or other such profit-sucking nonsense.
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:28 pm
Reagan denigrated the Voting Rights Act of 1965. A little background on the Act: Prior to the passing of the Act, voting by blacks in states in the deep South was less than 10 percent. This was largely because of sham literacy tests, in 1980, far from applauding the numerous injustices that the Voting Rights Act remedied, Reagan denounced it, declaring that it was “humiliating to the South.”
White Power!!
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:30 pm
“To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers would have lasted a single day.”
Why does one have to repost such utter bullcrap, especially when it’s so friggin’ wrong? Well, you’re right, they didn’t last a single day, they served their entire terms.
Why not talk about previous president with ties to the KKK? Is it because they were White and they had close associations with people that only hated N******S and not America as a whole? I’m so tired of hearing this bigoted crap. I’ll be glad when none of you bigots are able to use a single molecule of oxygen.
Award for Most Overheated Argument of Day. Also, most ironic pronouncement…”single molecule of oxygen.”
0311 was right. When liberals imagine suffocating conservatives, they also pretend its the conservatives who want to suffocate people.
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
3:30 pm
“To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers would have lasted a single day.”
Brocephus,
I don’t call this out because in my view its factually accurate EXCEPT for one thing. I would have replaced the word “white” candidate with liberal or Democratic candidate. Reason being that liberal candidates white or black get a pass for past racist associations but for now let’s just examine the white ones- Robert Byrd as a former Klan leader, George Wallace as a former segregationist, Al Gore’s own daddy, Bill Clinton’s mentor Senator from Arkansas who I think was also a segregationist, and on and on. Harry Reid with the negro dialect comments. If Reid was an R the media would have raised hell and demand that he step down. What he said was dramatically worse than what Trent Lott said- though I despise Trent Lott for wholly separate reasons as a hypocrite and big spender.
I don’t think there is any question that there is a double standard. I just disagree with the poster and I believe that he mistakenly believes its based on race. I can see why but its not. I think its based on ideology and party affiliation.
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:31 pm
Let’s see, the racist Reagan also opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which prohibited discrimination in public accommodations.
So what do you expect from the rank and file Lily White Party members today when this is their Anointed Savior?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 31st, 2012
3:33 pm
The GOP are still…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk3sURDS4IA&feature=related
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
3:33 pm
Geez. For the 3rd or 4th time today Tweedledum keeps knocking on the door. And for the 3rd or 4th time today he is
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Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
3:34 pm
“White Power!!”
I can always count on JamVet to take a heated topic and make it funny.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 31st, 2012
3:34 pm
This is what they sing in the White House…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvnIwg0lEA
Matti
August 31st, 2012
3:35 pm
Marcus & Matti,
What must happen before the “US heals?”
Another perfectly valid question. Based on the kinds of things I’m reading from you today, I find it hard to believe you actually care about the answer.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2012
3:36 pm
Brave Brave Sir PA runs away again.
godless heathen
August 31st, 2012
3:36 pm
On Wednesday, more Americans tuned in to watch the reality TV show “Honey Boo Boo Child” than the republican convention.
No wonder someone like Obama gets elected.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:37 pm
Daily Award for Obsession with Racism and the klan.
On this blog, that’s a very tough thing to give out because of sheer number & maybe Jay gets an award for hosting so many leftist kooks.
Anyone want to give it a shot?
Frankly, I’m tired of reading the same old hateful cliches. Someone else take a turn. Give me substance!
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:37 pm
Doomy, it’s my gift to mankind!
Brother Normal is just killing ti with that early Airplane and Steppenwolf…
Back at ya my Navy brother.
The opening guitar part still gives me goosebumps…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7-8sCLWwLk
They BOTH suck
August 31st, 2012
3:39 pm
Jam
I’m not sure if I am calling Reagan a racist, however I did post last night what his main man Lee Atwater was all about.
Some yesterday claimed that it was only isolated instances for the Republican Party yet the RNC chairmen keep apologizing, Atwater included, for the systematic polarization of voters based on race.
I also mentioned that it was a two way street and the Democrats have their own hand dirt.
I just find it amazing how the same people are still deflecting today and acting like it is and has been just a minor thing in the Republican Party.
That is just effn stupid to continue with that rhetoric when looking at the facts I presented and not a soul refuted
Matti
August 31st, 2012
3:40 pm
“Give me substance!”
Please! After you…
(**holding door wiiiiiiide open**)
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:40 pm
More substance, embarrassment?
OK, if you insist…
Reagan attempted to revoke the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination.
• Reagan used a stop at the Neshoba County Fair in his 1980 campaign to inject dog whistle politics aimed at unreconstructed Southern segregationists by the tactical use of code words like “states’ rights.”
• In 1986, Reagan nominated Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III to be a judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Alabama. During the confirmation hearings, it was disclosed that Sessions had engaged in a pattern of behavior that was hostile to civil rights and racial equality. Sessions had referred to the ACLU and the NAACP as “communist-inspired” and un-American because they “forced civil rights down our throats.” Thomas Figues, a black Assistant U.S. Attorney testified that Sessions said he thought that the Ku Klux Klan was “okay until I found out they smoked pot.” Figures also testified that Sessions called him “boy” and testified that “Mr. Sessions admonished me to ‘be careful what you say to white folks.’”
Don’t worry, embODS, there’s plenty more.
Just chew on that and tell me how it tastes, OK?
skydog
August 31st, 2012
3:40 pm
They also do “these people” at the White House.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoagkxrPshU
They BOTH suck
August 31st, 2012
3:41 pm
their own hands dirty
TaxPayer
August 31st, 2012
3:41 pm
In the future, the light reflecting properties of the Republican Party will diminish as a result of reduced total head count. Hence, the ratio of light reflecting units per total units will remain a constant over time and the remaining will believe that nothing has changed all the way until only one remains. At that point, he can kiss his ass goodbye.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:42 pm
Matti,
I do, actually, and I’m genuinely interested. You pretending that I have no interest is 100% incorrect. I do have an interest, and I remember being told before, during and after the election annd inauguration of Barack Obama that his ascent to the Presidency was an historic event, that among other things would help the country heal.
In Obama’s own acceptance speech four years ago, he said the whole planet would heal.
Based on what you’re telling me though–as I suspected–you either have reluctance or inability to answer the question….
So…got anything? any ideas at all would be appreciated.
Newby
August 31st, 2012
3:46 pm
Embarassment – you keep up the ad hominem attacks, but never address the arguments.
Not compainin’, just asyin’.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 31st, 2012
3:47 pm
Damn Jam! That took me back! I’m out to later on. I’ll be back. Gotta cook for the little lady and her friend, then while they’re gabbin’ I’ll be spinnin’ platters…
—————
SKYDOG,
That’s one on the reasons I like that guy, know what I mean?
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:48 pm
JamVet,
Well, it’s old substance, rusty, cantankerous and of no relevance to 2012, but I like it. Reagan and a federal judge in alabama. Good stuff. Rock hard. Compelling. Envigorating the base… Wow! Just explosive!
Keep it up. Only 67 more days till Romney’s election. Those of us on the right will be glad to hear all we can hear in the press about Ronald Reagan (RIP) the racist when Mitt Romney is talking about and while Obama is avoiding talking about Obama the failure.
So, do you want us to talk about the unrepentant terrorists and anti-American friends of Obamas?
Fortunately, we don’t need to. His awful Presidency is the issue.
But you…. you’ve got nothing else.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 31st, 2012
3:49 pm
Did I post all that?
Sorry,…fat granny fingers.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:51 pm
Newby,
I will deliver on whatever subject you ask me, an honest answer, and a courteous one, as best I can. The vulgarity, rudeness and straw-man arguments belong to many people here (and mostly to leftists obviously), but not to me.
Matti
August 31st, 2012
3:51 pm
Ohbarrassment,
I am not pretending anything. I merely stated my observation based on what I’ve read from you today. There’s a difference.
As to the healing you speak of re: the election of this President, yes, I have seen some healing. The racism of my grandparent’s generation is but a fraction of what it once was, although the few hold-outs are scary indeed. The difference between my parents’ views on race at the age my children are now, and those of my children, is vast. With Obama’s election, one big milestone of a racist society was erased: The notion that any American kid could grow up and be President — unless he’s black. If you’re white, you probably never thought much about it, but I guarantee you that black children heard that unspoken “unless” loud and clear. That is no more, and that is a good thing, regardless of how you feel about this President’s limited ability to clean up the colossal mess he inherited.
More healing is needed, though. Those who seek shall find.
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
3:53 pm
“Domm….I’m opposed to what happened….but I can understand it better than you could!! You should hope that this nation could get past this…but the problem is that too many on one side still have the racial animus…and too many on the other are looking for payback!! Pure and simple…”
HDB,
Well we have a little bit of agreement. I wouldn’t say thought that you can understand it better than I can with the suggestion being you can understand it better cause you are black. That right there seems to be a fairly racist view.
but the problem is that too many on one side still have the racial animus…”
Not quite. I’ve known white people who have low opinions of black people. But then I’ve known Indian and Asian people who have low opinions of black people also. Doesn’t make an entire race bigoted. But of all the white people I’ve known that may have some negative views of blacks I’ve never known any of them that go out of their way to screw black people out of a job, promotion, or a business contract. As a matter of fact I’ve seen the opposite. I know lots of white people that go out of their way to see that a black person gets a fair shot either at employment or at their business or just at things in general. I think there is a mentality amongst “some” not all black people that white people wake up every day looking for a way that they can screw a black man out of an opportunity or just looking for a way that can screw a minority person out of something. And that is simply not true.
“and too many on the other are looking for payback!! Pure and simple…”
I see more of that than anything else. And that’s a shame. Two wrongs do not equal a right. But there is one thing that I’ve seen several times in life that I find disturbing and that is this black tribalism. Everyone has it but it seems much more prevalent amongst blacks. I’ll give you a quick example. My girlfriend was laying in bed the other night watching this stupid show she watches about all these mothers who have their daughters in a competitive dance school. 5 white ladies and a black lady. The black lady happens to be my gf’s favorite and from what little I’ve seen she seems to be the nicest one and the most sensible one on the show. But I digress. Another black lady- very aggressive, very loud, etc. came on and there was a dispute between her and one of the white women. Well the black woman wanted to get into a physical fight over it. And before that she yelled at the other black woman. And she yelled to her something to the effect- “You supposed to have my back” even though she was clearly in the wrong and being overly aggressive. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen black people make naked racial appeals to other blacks based solely on race. I’ve seen it several times in real life and they tend to do it right there in front of white people as if appealing to each other just on the basis of race is okay.
Frankly I don’t understand how it is that black people complain about racism but they think its perfectly acceptable to do things for each other or take the side of each other against a person of another race based solely on race. Can you explain that? Because if everyone goes around siding with people based solely on skin color then we are going to have an incredibly racist and segregated society in every facet of our lives.
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
3:53 pm
BOTH, it would be different of the numerologist, embarrassment, j-troll, deli, sunkwich or any of the other rabid Republicans here had the balls to say, “Yes, it is true. Shamefully we have a very long, very documented and very disgusting track record when it comes to racism in this country. Further we have done a terrible job of admitting and more importantly addressing that and making fundamental changes within our party. And it starts with me”
But it will be a cold day in a certain mythology’s subterranean hangout when that happens though…
And right on cue!
…of no relevance to 2012…
Entrenched, systemic decades old bigotry and racism. THAT as much as anything else is the very face of the southern white male Republican…
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
3:53 pm
I don’t call this out because in my view its factually accurate EXCEPT for one thing. I would have replaced the word “white” candidate with liberal or Democratic candidate.
Doom
That’s the thing. If one thing is wrong, the entire statement is wrong. Had he not used the word “White”, then he may have had a point. However, he did not do as you said you would have done. Therefore, his statement was wrong. TO try to downplay it or excuse it is tantamount to co-signing it, IMHO.
Also, trying to conflate the argument by switching to party and or ideological affiliations give the impression that you tend to want to agree with him. It’s a simple premise. Either what he said was right or wrong. There’s no middle ground.
——————
Award for Most Overheated Argument of Day. Also, most ironic pronouncement…”single molecule of oxygen.”
Award for Dumbass of the Day. Seems that somebody forgot that humans breathe O2 and not just O. As a matter of fact, unless you forcefully separate them, oxygen is always O2 in the normal environment. The oxygen we breath is a compound that’s made up of TWO oxygen atoms. When you combine two or more atoms, that substance becomes a molecule. Geez, he really let the stoopids out then…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen
At standard temperature and pressure, two atoms of the element bind to form dioxygen, a very pale blue, odorless, tasteless diatomic gas with the formula O2. This compound is an important part of the atmosphere, and is necessary to sustain terrestrial life.
Sometimes, people should really not type out the stuff they “think” they know, especially when they don’t really know what in the hell they’re talking about. However, anybody who blogs under a name that contains the word embarassment likely has no qualms about showing of his/her ignorance at every available chance.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
3:54 pm
Matti,
OK, once again, so that everyone can see what the left wants.
How can the US heal?
Have an answer. That’s a substantial question, and it demands a substantial answer.
We are all waiting.
Lord Help Us
August 31st, 2012
3:56 pm
Well, if it was on a reality show, it must be real…
omfg…
That Black Guy
August 31st, 2012
3:58 pm
Fred, I think I found your theme music.
It’s what you do to both sides (and I love it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaqmY2Dhgc8
Matti
August 31st, 2012
3:59 pm
Ohbarrassment,
Excuse me? Now you’re just being rude. I agreed that the question is valid. I did not swagger on here claiming to have all the answers, nor that I speak for “what the left wants” or the “leftists” you deride.
I tried to be civil with you and foster productive dialog, but clearly that is not your intent. Good day.
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
4:00 pm
Hmm. Looks like the obsessor is pining for Doomy’s attention for about the 5th time today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAn1FmW7ypE
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
4:00 pm
Bro,
You’re the hateful fellow. I’m not going to let you get away with the false notion that this argument involves chemistry or physics.
Once again: Let me quote exactly what you wrote.
Ready? Here goes. Watch carefully and be not distracted by shiny object:
I’m so tired of hearing this bigoted crap. I’ll be glad when none of you bigots are able to use a single molecule of oxygen.
Why don’t you tell us all what that means to you, instead of patronizing us with the chemical arrangement of oxygen atoms at STP?
Then, you can tell me why you think I chose to live in Clayton County if I’m such a bigot. While you’re at it, you can tell us why all Republicans, conservatives or others are bigots, and why you and every other leftist here can’t stop ranting about bigots.
That would be a substantial discussion I suspect you would not want to have.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
4:02 pm
Matti,
You answered the question well enough.
Thank you.
Anyone else?
skydog
August 31st, 2012
4:02 pm
Here is one from some guys from New Orleans. MOST of us are glad you are still here Big Easy.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/sy-14208712/the_radiators_like_dreamers_do_official_music_video/
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
4:03 pm
OK JamVet,
Here’s an abdicated argument I put out for your considerable intellect.
How can the US heal?
I would invite anyone else to chime in here. Mr. Bookman?
They BOTH suck
August 31st, 2012
4:04 pm
Jam
The deflection of what about Robert Byrd, Republicans freed the slaves, blah, blah, blah………… is nothing more than a weak minded feeble attempt to downplay the role the Republican Party has played in doing the same exact thing………
To be honest, the usual suspects doing it is par for the course, but a few others……….. I must say a little surprising and disappointing in my opinion
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:07 pm
Obambarrassment
I’m not hateful at all. I also do not like people putting words in my mouth, nor will I defend a stance that I have not taken. Therefore, if you want me to answer any question from you, answer this single question from me.
Where did I state anything that specifically pointed to Republicans, Conservatives, or any political leanings at all?
I’ll even help you out. Here’s my entire post which you obviously allowed the voices in your head to interpret for you instead of actually reading what I wrote.
Why does one have to repost such utter bullcrap, especially when it’s so friggin’ wrong? Well, you’re right, they didn’t last a single day, they served their entire terms.
Why not talk about previous president with ties to the KKK? Is it because they were White and they had close associations with people that only hated N******S and not America as a whole? I’m so tired of hearing this bigoted crap. I’ll be glad when none of you bigots are able to use a single molecule of oxygen. Maybe this country will start to heal then.
Kindly point to where I said anything about political leanings, and I’ll answer your questions. Otherwise, I expect a full retraction and a full apology post instead.
Your turn.
DannyX
August 31st, 2012
4:07 pm
“How can the US heal?”
Lol, what a load of crap!
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
4:12 pm
Brocephus,
Geez. You just had to go and bring chemistry into your post. Sheesh. I freaking hated chemistry. But I digress.
Regarding his statement I don’t agree with it. As I said I would have used “liberal or Dem” instead of white. So I do disagree with the premise of his statement. No.
But while I disagree with his statement I don’t think its crazy out of line or even racist and I’ll tell you why. I want you to ask yourself this just to toy with his statement for a moment or 2. If John McCain or Mitt Romney had sat in a pew for 20 years listening to a hate spewing preacher who commonly invoked racial animosity do you honestly think that man would have made it as high as garnering a party nomination? When it comes to provocative racial comments there really is no question that a white candidate- at least an R white candidate, is held to a substantially higher standard then say a black Democrat. And I don’t think that’s really debatable.
That Black Guy
August 31st, 2012
4:13 pm
Fred- LOL and he does it all for $350.
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Fred, hook me up with your accountant.
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
4:14 pm
How can the US heal?
One way and one way only.
Heal ourselves first.
We don’t have a problem with the “government” or the “schools” or whatever.
We have a huge problem with ourselves. Self-centered, shallow and unempowered. Willfully!
As individuals we can do a LOT better and we can damn well stop blaming everybody and everything else.
If this country sucks, (and it doesn’t!) it is because of you and me. Period.
THAT is personal responsibility.
And if I had the money I would greatly refine that basic message and travel the country with it.
I would point at all of the people in the crowd and tell them that the problem in America is with you and you and you and…………………………….. me.
Now quit bitching, get out there and fix it! One creek, one street, one neighborhood and one child at a time…
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:20 pm
Regarding his statement I don’t agree with it.
That’s all I was asking. Your extended explanation gave the impression that you were trying to validate his point. If that’s not what you were doing, then my apologies for insinuating as such. That was just the impression that I got.
If John McCain or Mitt Romney had sat in a pew for 20 years listening to a hate spewing preacher who commonly invoked racial animosity do you honestly think that man would have made it as high as garnering a party nomination?
Yeah. Honestly, given the fact that we haven’t heard anything relating to what either candidate has listened to in church, we don’t exactly know what kind of message they have listened to, do we? We can only go off of assumptions.
Bringing the Wright sermon up as a point opens you up to quite a few faults you’d have to defend with that argument too.
#1 Can anybody prove that Obama was there for every sermon, every week for those 20 years?
#2 Did Rev. Wright preach that same sermon or that same general topic/meme each week for 20 years?
#3 If #2 is yes, then why have we not heard numerous other sermons instead of that one line of one sermon being repeatedly looped?
I could keep going, but I don’t wanna tire you out. I understand your point about Rev. Wright. However, if you take an isolated line from a single sermon, can that accurately and truthfully be articulated as the message that was heard for 20 years?
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:21 pm
TBG
What’s up bro?? Care to jump in on my 4:07 and help one of your fellow conservatives out? It’s been 15 minutes, and I’m worried that he got distracted by the red light on his computer tower.
Matti
August 31st, 2012
4:26 pm
JamVet,
Nicely put!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Nh84lfvW0
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2012
4:27 pm
“However, if you take an isolated line from a single sermon, can that accurately and truthfully be articulated as the message that was heard for 20 years?”
And how do you explain that the church had WHITE members while he was the preacher there?
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
4:30 pm
Bro,
What is “you bigots” if not political leanings in a political blog.
It’s supper time, and I will continue this discussion later if you want, or on another day.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
4:32 pm
JamVet @ 414,
I agree mostly. Well said.
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:32 pm
Doggone
There you go throwing a wrench into the machine.
Guess Mr./Mrs. Obambarrassment hasn’t figured out where he got the idea that I called Conservatives or Republicans bigots. Oh well, just another bloviator who’s gotten called out for misappropriation of the truth here. Not the first time, nor will it be the last.
Obambarrassment
August 31st, 2012
4:32 pm
JamVet,
But the question “how can America heal racially?” Is that another question or is it the same?
Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire
August 31st, 2012
4:33 pm
Brocephus,
I don’t want to wear you out with the Reverand Wright stuff either cause frankly I get tired of hearing the shyte. But O acknowledged that he had a 20 year relationship with Wright and his church. The man married him, O had said he was mentored by the man, and unless I’m mistaken I think he was godfather to their children. From his own account O had a close relationship with the man and if memory serves correct I think he had also referred to him as a father figure. Anyway, I just believe in the old Chinese proverb that if you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas. I just don’t like my president to be associated with fairly radical elements. But enough. The Reverand Wright stuff is tiresome for all of us.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 31st, 2012
4:33 pm
No offense! I just wanted to be sure it was exactly right.
Doggone/GA
I figured as much and I tried to be as accurate as my my meory would allow.
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2012
4:33 pm
“What is “you bigots” if not political leanings in a political blog”
Bro – methinks someone inextricably ties “bigot” to one particular “political leaning”…wonder why THAT is?!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 31st, 2012
4:34 pm
“memory” not “meory”
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2012
4:38 pm
“But the question “how can America heal racially?”
The answer is easy to say, not so easy for too many to do: let go of racial hatred and fear
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 31st, 2012
4:39 pm
SoCo/Bro
Sometimes it’s best to not go down that rabbit hole. The original post was meant to be provocative.
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
4:39 pm
Thanks, Matti and Oe!
As much as I (stupidly) rag on people here,Ii believe the nation has healed racially. At least to a great extent.
Sure there is still along way to go, but my goodness, look at where we are as opposed to where we were when I was 17 and living in Nebraska.
Incredible change!
True story, when I moved here form Buffalo in 1979, I was shocked to see black buys and white guys riding together in pickup trucks and working jobs together.
So in some ways Dixie gets to take a lot of credit.
Most of us want the same things – peace, security and love. (Corny, huh?) For us, for our communities and country and especially for our children.
And as the Fab Four sang…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP4apO4dbhw
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:41 pm
What is “you bigots” if not political leanings in a political blog.
“You bigots” is exactly what that statement means, that means it applies to those who are bigots. If you noticed, I did not specify, races, gender, age, political leanings, location, or anything else. You decided to put specifics into that meaning, not me. Also, this is not just a political blog, but it is an opinion blog. There’s a big difference between the two.
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:41 pm
Bro – methinks someone inextricably ties “bigot” to one particular “political leaning”…wonder why THAT is?!
Pardon the old saying, but…
A hit dog will holler.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
4:45 pm
Brosephus:
I’m not offended by your posts nor am I sorry for posting that Obama is president not because of his qualifications but because enough black and white people simply wanted a black president ………… period.
I wanted one too ………… I just would have preferred someone qualified like a Colin Powell.
As I have posted before, in my military and law enforcement career I have been willing to give my life for my black brothers in arms (and they for me), I have black Christian friends that are like family to me and wonderful black neighbors. If you want to call me racist or even bigoted go ahead ………… it’s a free country but it doesn’t make it true.
I’ll close with this quote just provided to me by African-American Bishop E.W. Jackson (I guess he’s racist/bigoted too):
“Later this month when Democrats make same-sex marriage part of their official Party Platform ………….. They will be saying, ‘We don’t care what you think, what you believe, or what the Bible or the God of the Bible says. We know better than God.’” Jackson’s message to Christians is, “The Democrat Party has turned its back on Christians. It is time to turn our backs on the Democrat Party.”
Amen BROTHER !
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2012
4:45 pm
“A hit dog will holler”
Exactly!
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:46 pm
But O acknowledged that he had a 20 year relationship with Wright and his church.
I have a 20 year relationship with my friend who was my best man at my wedding. That doesn’t mean that I’ve been attached to his hip for 20 years, nor does it mean that we believe the same things. We are as close as blood brothers, but we are still our own individual persons.
You’re inferring far more into relationships than what has been expressed and/or proven. Jumping to conclusions can sometimes lead to right answers, but that can also lead to very ugly mistruths. I simply choose to deal with proven fact instead of inferences and innuendo, but that’s just me.
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2012
4:48 pm
“That doesn’t mean that I’ve been attached to his hip for 20 years, nor does it mean that we believe the same things”
Shoot, I’ve had a “relationship” with my SISTER for 58 years and we are VERY different from each other!
JamVet
August 31st, 2012
4:49 pm
Obama is president not because of his qualifications but because enough black and white people simply wanted a black president ………… period.
Then again, maybe I should just forget that part that I just wrote about us as a people healing racially!
LOL at you scout!
My man, you are NEVER going to get with the times, so good luck back there in the 1950s!
That Black Guy
August 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:21 pm
TBG
What’s up bro?? Care to jump in on my 4:07 and help one of your fellow conservatives out? It’s been 15 minutes, and I’m worried that he got distracted by the red light on his computer tower.
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Bro, what’s crackin’?
Help him out?
Nah, he can kick his own azz all by himself.
I was going to ask Fred to loan you his theme song that I gave him at 3:58.
I was expecting ABM to grab his shoes and come out to play.
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:54 pm
Scout
If he condones, participates in, or actively encourages discrimination of people because of their personal life choices, then yep, he’s a bigot too. There are no limits on who can be bigots at all. Even clergy…
I’d also remind you and your Bishop that neither one of you can absolve anybody other than yourselves of sin. As a Christian, you should already know that. As an American, you should also know that people have the freedom to practice their religion or lack thereof without fear or reprecussion. Contrary to your opinion, nobody’s trying to tell Christians what they have to do. Instead, people are trying to tell Christians that, in America, YOU can’t dictate what others do.
I go to work daily to ensure that people have the freedom to continue to do that, as well as ensuring you have the right to express your religion without persecution. Expressing your religion does not mean you get to force your beliefs on others.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
Brosephus @ 4:46
Rev. Wright is just the tip of the iceberg.
I suggest you Google “Obama’s Questionable Associations” and then go see 2016.
Or ……………. you can stay uniformed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
4:56 pm
JamVet:
You left this part out of your reply:
“I wanted one too ………… I just would have preferred someone qualified like a Colin Powell.”
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
Sometimes it’s best to not go down that rabbit hole. The original post was meant to be provocative.
Kam
I’m in the Doggone camp on that one though. Sometimes, you have to punch ignorance in the mouth.
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TBG
I might have to co-opt that one there. When the ABM comes out the closet, you’re likely to hear this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swMzRlFvKMc
Definitely not a good thing to hear coming at you.
Deal Aint No Deal....CONS Have Been Stabbed In The Back.
August 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
Can CONS spell B-a-m-b-o-o-z-l-e-d.
Brosephus™
August 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
I suggest you Google “Obama’s Questionable Associations” and then go see 2016.
I’ve heard about his “questionable” associations. Do you think he would have been able to get the security clearance necessary to hold the office of the President if he had issues in his background? You know how detailed that background clearance is. You also know how few people get that clearance.
As to that movie, I don’t do propaganda. If he cleared the necessary background to hold his office, then I’m good. Obviously, you cleared your background investigation. That means they actually hold weight, right?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
Brosephus:
Some would disagree with you ……………….
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams
Every law ever passed in this country is a “moral” judgement passed by the majority. That’s why we still have laws regarding prostitution, illegal drug usage and even where one can smoke.
Deal Aint No Deal....CONS Have Been Stabbed In The Back.
August 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
You PEOPLE are arguing about race.
DEAL JUST STABBED MOST OF YOU IN THE BACK.
ARGUE ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH CAN YOU?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
Brosephus:
“I’ve heard about his “questionable” associations. Do you think he would have been able to get the security clearance necessary to hold the office of the President if he had issues in his background? You know how detailed that background clearance is. You also know how few people get that clearance.”
And you actually believe that the President of the United States undergoes a background investigation for a security clearance? That is only done by the press (and in the case he was
never vetted as others have been).
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 31st, 2012
5:05 pm
Brosephus:
“If he condones, participates in, or actively encourages discrimination of people because of their personal life choices, then yep, he’s a bigot too.”
You mean like Obama trying to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortions ?
Deal Aint No Deal....CONS Have Been Stabbed In The Back.
August 31st, 2012
5:07 pm
PEOPLE F-O-C-U-S
SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS AMONG THE 650,000 of his fellow Georgians
IN NEED OF HEALTH INSURANCE.
Gov. Nathan Deal faced a choice.
He could choose to be loyal to his party’s political ideology, or he
could choose to be loyal to some 650,000 of his fellow Georgians
IN NEED OF HEALTH INSURANCE.