From Lindsey Graham, startling honesty on race and politics

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Lindsey Graham does the math, and doesn’t like what he sees:

“The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

You see an admission like that, and the Romney welfare ad springs immediately to mind. You know, the one that goes like this?

“Under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check and “welfare to work” goes back to being plain old welfare.”

The ad is blatantly false, but it is nonetheless effective at “generating angry white guys,” to borrow Graham’s phrase. But as Graham also notes, the strategy behind it is not going to work much longer. Sheer math will not allow it. And every vote that such a strategy purchases in this election cycle will cost the Republicans dearly in every election for the next generation. With such ads, they are in effect eating their seed corn.

You can already see the consequences. As the AJC reported Tuesday, just 2 percent of delegates to the GOP convention in Tampa — 46 in all — are African-American. As recently as 2004, that number was quite a bit larger, at 167 African-American delegates. That’s a dramatic decline.

And while nobody has a count on the number of Hispanic-American delegates, the fact that the Romney/Ryan ticket trails by roughly 40 points among Hispanic voters doesn’t bode well. Once voting patterns are set, they are much more difficult to change.

The question that you have to ask yourself is why. Why, for example, is President Obama expected to draw some 80 percent of the minority vote this fall? Republicans may try to comfort themselves by attributing it in part to Obama’s own race, but the fact of the matter is that white Democratic candidates have been drawing similar numbers for decades.

The initial instinct of many in the Republican Party is to put the blame entirely on minority voters for not recognizing just how open and tolerant the GOP truly is. That explanation may make Republicans feel better — it may excuse them from actually taking ownership of the challenge — but as a marketing strategy it leaves a lot to be desired.

Blaming potential customers for not liking your product gets you nowhere. In fact, if the customer picks up on that attitude, as they inevitably do, it guarantees that they’re going to like you even less.

Ron Brownstein, in a piece in National Journal, puts it this way:

“Republican strategists clearly feel the weight of trying to assemble a national majority with so little support among minorities that they must win three in five whites. “This is the last time anyone will try to do this,” one said. A GOP coalition that relies almost entirely on whites could squeeze out one more narrow victory in November. But if Republicans can’t find more effective ways to bridge the priorities of their conservative core and the diversifying Next America, that weight will grow more daunting every year.”

For the Democrats, this is all good news. They are trying to hold onto minority voters just as avidly as the Republicans are trying to hold onto white voters. The difference is, they are secure in the knowledge that there will be more and more minority voters with each passing year. And yes, they too are not above inserting race into the equation to keep their voters loyal.

But it is not good news for the country as a whole. It is not healthy to see political affiliations divide so starkly along racial and ethnic lines. It is not healthy to see important policy questions reduced to battlegrounds in which tribal loyalties dominate over facts and logic.

Again, you can argue with cause that both sides play that game. But politics is a bottom-line business. Because the inexorable math is on the side of the Democrats, they have no incentive to change. It is up to the Republicans to somehow break out of the largely white ghetto in which they’ve confined themselves, and in which the Democrats are quite glad to keep them.

If they don’t find a way out, if they can’t build a bridge to the other side, they consign themselves to minority party status for a generation, and all of the other policy goals that they hope to achieve will fall by the wayside.

– Jay Bookman

627 comments Add your comment

Ahem

August 30th, 2012
12:00 pm

The unemployment rate, which ticked up to 8.3 percent in July, has been stuck above 8 percent for more than three years, the first time this has happened since the Great Depression.

Orange12

August 30th, 2012
12:03 pm

Be sure to tune in tonight for Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech. Okay?

East Lake Ira

August 30th, 2012
12:03 pm

At this rate, the next new substantial political party will rise up to the left of the Dems.

The GOP should be terrified.

Peter

August 30th, 2012
12:03 pm

Heck under the GOP shown by BUSH.. you can start two wars and never have to figure out how to pay for them… Deficits don’t matter !

Ahem

August 30th, 2012
12:03 pm

The left knows it is over as there is no other plausible explanation.

Chris Matthews and MSNBC Now Claim the Word ‘Chicago’ Is Racist

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2012/08/30/chris-matthews-and-msnbc-now-claim-word-chicago-racist#ixzz252uOC7xv

Midori

August 30th, 2012
12:05 pm

LOL —

Lindsey “I do dee-clare I have the vapors” Graham better watch his back.

If they throw peanuts at black people, what do you suppose they will throw at him?

F. Sinkwich

August 30th, 2012
12:06 pm

What’s the solution, Jay?

Oh yeah, become democrat.

No thanks.

P.S. Lindsey is a RINO.

Ahem

August 30th, 2012
12:07 pm

Prices at the pump will be the highest ever for the U.S. Labor Day holiday, AAA said yesterday.

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:07 pm

“The question that you have to ask yourself is why. Why, for example, is President Obama expected to draw some 80 percent of the minority vote this fall?”

Easy. Because Democrats create divisiveness along racial and class lines. They fearmonger and stoke hate and resentment among social classes and racial groups. Its how they roll.

Midori

August 30th, 2012
12:07 pm

bwahahaha — how’s your stash of peanuts holding up, Sink? :)

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:08 pm

Romney/Ryan — We’re Angry White Men!

:)

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:09 pm

Romney/Ryan — Pants On Fire Liars!

:)

larry

August 30th, 2012
12:09 pm

Could it be that they have taken the attitude with that ad, that facts dont matter?

Im not going to let Factcheck run my campaign.

I mean, they said deficits dont matter and now, of course, all of them are supposed to be deficit hawks.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 30th, 2012
12:11 pm

Well, if we don’t win this election and fix things so they can’t win any in the future, we’re in for a whole bunch of race-mixing and welfare out the wazoo. Where’s George Wallace when you need him? I’ll tell you where he is—dead. And that’s where we’re going to be if we don’t get in there and pack the courts.

Anyhow, good to see Midori here, even if she is one of Those People. Heck, I thought she’d up and died. We don’t want people like her dead—just without a vote.

Lunch time. Mmmm, mmmm. Have a good p.m. everybody.

They BOTH suck

August 30th, 2012
12:12 pm

Doom

Guess there is no need to post all the Republican racially tinged quotes is there?

There aren’t any, right?

Peter

August 30th, 2012
12:12 pm

The unemployment rate, which ticked up to 8.3 percent in July, has been stuck above 8 percent for more than three years, the first time this has happened since the Great Depression.

Yes we missed the second great GOP led Depression ………because of bank and corporate bailouts now didn’t we ?

Peter

August 30th, 2012
12:13 pm

I mean, they said deficits don’t matter and now, of course, all of them are supposed to be deficit hawks.

Yes and in the mean time they want to raise money for the WAR Machine, and cut for American’s at home.

King of Everything

August 30th, 2012
12:15 pm

As I posted on earlier this week, that divide is also why congress is so dysfunctional when appeasing a particular race has to be factor in the decision making. We have to clear this hurdle as a nation first and the southern strategy is not going to do it.

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:15 pm

“But it is not good news for the country as a whole. It is not healthy to see political affiliations divide so starkly along racial and ethnic lines.”

Jay, President Obama could never have won in 2008 without the support of the un-angry white women (including me and my friends), and the un-angry will continue to support the Dems as long as there are Angry White Men flocking to the Repub’s side!

:)

Trolls Bane

August 30th, 2012
12:15 pm

In thier appeals to “win” the vote of the “angry white male”, the rethugs have successfully drive off two demographic groups that would, by their nature, be very open to the “social issue” manipulation / distraction tactics that have proven to work so well.

The Hispanics / Latinos and African-Americans share alot of characteritics with the white underclass .. socially conservative, family oriented, uneducated, churched …. If the rethugs had not alienated these two groups, they would be a shoe-in for generations …

However, with the “welfare queen” and “illegal immigration” tactics, designed to shore up a base that is already in the rethug pocket, they have drive hispanics and blacks in to the arms of the democrats.

larry

August 30th, 2012
12:16 pm

A Fox News writer describes Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words: Dazzling, Deceiving, Distracting.

“Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.”

Its getting pretty bad when Faux News is calling you out.

East Lake Ira

August 30th, 2012
12:16 pm

Ezra speaks the truth yet again.

Paul

August 30th, 2012
12:17 pm

As has been noted regarding other ’strategies’ of the GOP, when they’ve spent years cultivating a mindset (such as antigovernment, antitax, antiregulation) it takes on a life of its own. How does the GOP leadership not just repudiate its past statements, but take the next great leap and actually propose policies in stark contrast to its earlier positions?

Answer is, in the short term, they don’t.

If anybody sees how they could, I’d love to hear it.

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:17 pm

Where was Ryan during the disastrous W years with his “deficit hawk” talk??? Nowhere to be found, or course! :)

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:19 pm

they both suck,

No doubt. Occasionally there is a racially tinged comment from a con but not very often. The difference is in scale and scope and in terms of injecting race into the conversation its mainly the purview of the left. Come on now. Sometimes is seems the Dem’s whole gig is playing the race card. And of course there are no racially tinged posts from the liberals on here huh? None of those either right? How many times a day do the libs on here make a suggestion if not outright accusation of racism? They can’t go one day without making racism accusations. And not just one but several of them.

Paul

August 30th, 2012
12:19 pm

“Blaming potential customers for not liking your product gets you nowhere. In fact, if the customer picks up on that attitude, as they inevitably do, it guarantees that they’re going to like you even less.”

answered by “P.S. Lindsey is a RINO.”

Ab-so-lutely classic.

Peter

August 30th, 2012
12:19 pm

Goldie . Ryan voted for everything Bush put out there….ask the GOP how many times the debt ceiling was raised during the Bush Administration, and you won’t get them to answer.

Soothsayer

August 30th, 2012
12:20 pm

Well, there you have it, Jay. No matter how many bellicose Lush’s or Laura Anger’ems there are out there, they just can’t change the demographics.

And, if they can’t change the demographics, then the only thing left to change is the democracy. Hence, voter restrictions. Sickening. Shameful.

alittlecommonsense

August 30th, 2012
12:20 pm

Rhetoric like “black churches will burn” if Bush is reelected, or “going to put y’all back in chains” helps keep black voters on the Dem side of the isle. It’s ugly, racially divisive politics at its worst, but it works.

Ennis

August 30th, 2012
12:20 pm

The Republicans have noone to blame except themselves on this one. Yes, it is good to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Lack of adequate education to equip citizens to be good wholesome upstanding people of the community is what is keeping so many of the people dependant on the hateful “Republicans” It is their mantra of “No New Taxes” and not enuff revenue coming in that keeps this cycle going, and as far as I can see, will be. What with cuts in education continuing to be excessive, it will leave a whole generation out of the process of getting a “good high paying job” (by that I mean someone not in management making enuff to support a family comfortably). The Rebpublicans are making far more Democrats than Republicans. Pretty soon, but I hope not, this is gonna be a 1 party nation.

Paul

August 30th, 2012
12:21 pm

Hi Midori!!!

Hi Goldie!!!

“Where was Ryan during the disastrous W years with his “deficit hawk” talk???”

Why, he’s been born again and converted, don’tcha’ know?

Still working on that truthiness part, though.

larry

August 30th, 2012
12:21 pm

What would need to happen is another role reversal.

The Republicans would have to go back to the party of Lincoln and to the last great Republican, Eisenhower.

They would have to be inclusive. They would have to get rid of the tea party and probably some of the Southern evengelicals.

But i just don’t see it happening.

Ellsworth Monkton Toohey

August 30th, 2012
12:22 pm

A balanced, well-written and cogent piece, Jay. It’s a shame that the WingBat across the hall can’t bring himself to present a similarly balanced, well-written and cogent counterpoint. C’est la vie, I suppose.

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:23 pm

“Where was Ryan during the disastrous W years with his “deficit hawk” talk??? Nowhere to be found, or course!”

Were we at 16 trillion in debt at that point in time??? Nope. But we are now and hence the greater emphasis on getting our fiscal house in order. Why Dems can’t understand the increasing urgency as the debt problem gets worse by the day is a mystery.

CJ

August 30th, 2012
12:23 pm

Mitt Romney: “The Constitution indicates that those that are born here do become US citizens by virtue of being born here. But if they’re born here from parents who come across the border illegally and bring them here illegally, in my view, we should not adopt, then, these chain migration policies that say, you’ve got a child here that’s a US citizen, and the whole family can come in. That, in my opinion, is a mistake.”

The irony here is that Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney was born in Mexico. (I continue to wonder how George Romney was even eligible to run for president. Anybody?)

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:23 pm

Peter — yes, the Cons have totally gotten into their Etch-A-Sketches these days!

:)

larry

August 30th, 2012
12:24 pm

HEADLINE: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law.

Also, another thing that would help , quit designing laws targeting one group of voters just so your guy can win.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:25 pm

Doom — “Sometimes is seems the Dem’s whole gig is playing the race card. And of course there are no racially tinged posts from the liberals on here huh? None of those either right? How many times a day do the libs on here make a suggestion if not outright accusation of racism? They can’t go one day without making racism accusations. And not just one but several of them.”

The fact that some libs sometimes make unfair posts accusing Republicans and conservatives of racism does not mean that Republicans and conservatives don’t sometime say and do racist things.

While your objection is well taken, you should bear in mind that sometimes, people in your party do pull Stupid Racist Tricks from time to time and that saying ZOMGGGGG UNFAIR DEM CRITICISM at *those* times just makes y’all look like you don’t want to face what racism does actually exist in your party.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:25 pm

The Republican party will be dead in 20 years.

The tent gets smaller and smaller,

Eventually appealing only to hillbillies and racist wont work anymore.

The numbers just aren’t there.

Mary Elizabeth

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

I did not have time to read this article. I am gone for the day, but I want to let you know that getting to opinion blogs, via the new layout at the AJC, is ridiculously difficult.

I hope someone will change this layout, pronto. “Opinions” should have a place of its own.

Jay

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

OK, Thulsa, littlecommonsense, let’s take it from your point of view.

Let’s accept, for argument’s case, that what you say is true (and as I note above, I think it has at least some validity, if not to the degree that you claim):

What are you going to do about it? The Democrats have you hemmed in, dependent on getting an ever bigger market share from an ever smaller demographic?

How are you going to change that? What’s the strategy?

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

So Cons — how did your guy Ryan vote during the W years?

[...crickets chirping...]

:)

Paul

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

CJ

“The irony here is that Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney was born in Mexico. (I continue to wonder how George Romney was even eligible to run for president. Anybody?)”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Romney_presidential_campaign,_1968

It’s similar to McCain’s situation.

Tundra Dude

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

Where was Ryan during the disastrous W years with his “deficit hawk” talk??? Nowhere to be found, or course!

Good Q.
I guess being brainwashed/hypnotized by that novelist wasn’t very effective.

huh?

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

Peter

August 30th, 2012
12:19 pm

Do you happen to recall what then senator Obama had to say about that debt ceiling?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

I continue to wonder how George Romney was even eligible to run for president. Anybody?

They dont ask white candidates for birth certificates.

Only the black ones.

Ellsworth Monkton Toohey

August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

Thulsa – Why Regressives can’t see that the Regressive Party isn’t really interested in doing anything about the deficit, notwithstanding their meaningless propaganda to the contrary, is also a mystery.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

Doom — “Were we at 16 trillion in debt at that point in time??? Nope. But we are now and hence the greater emphasis on getting our fiscal house in order.”

Are you saying that ‘deficits don’t matter’ until we get to $16 billion in debt?

RB from Gwinnett

August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

Jay “the strategy behind it is not going to work much longer.”

See 2010.

What exactly do you think the R party should promise to do for the black community In order to get their vote? It needs to be enough to make a difference for sure, so what is it? Be specific and leave the sillyness aside.

Joseph

August 30th, 2012
12:28 pm

When you have absolutely no plan dems always revert right back to race. Your a riot Jay…

Uncle Billy

August 30th, 2012
12:30 pm

The era of the domination of the white man is over!
Obama beats Romney by not less than 10%.
I am taking bets.

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:30 pm

Just shake those Etch-A-Sketches, Cons — and be sure to school your young-uns in the ways of the Etch-A-Sketch and how effective that strategy is for leading America!

:)

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
12:31 pm

See 2010.

So the strategy is that the party is only relevent in off-year elections?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:31 pm

What exactly do you think the R party should promise to do for the black community In order to get their vote?

How about not throw peanuts at them at your convention.

Maybe stop demonizing all of them as lazy and just waiting around for a check. ( Which by the way they dont do. They are some of the hardest working people in this country )

Try that for starters.

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:32 pm

“people in my party do pull Stupid Racist Tricks from time to time and saying ZOMGGGGG UNFAIR Rep CRITICISM at *those* times just makes us look like we don’t want to face what racism does actually exist in your party.”- Joe Mama

Joe Mama,

I couldn’t agree with you more.

huh?

August 30th, 2012
12:32 pm

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

Did he vote present as well?

What is worse voting the wrong way, or not voting at all?

Obama is over

August 30th, 2012
12:32 pm

race,race, race, race…. Don’t you people have anything else to talk about? Get over it already. People are going to vote with their wallets. The stats for minority group unemployment during the Obama regime is embarrassing and his only plan is to tax rich people. Disappointment in Obama’s failure to deliver on the promises he has made will encourage minority groups, particularly the young, to not even bother to vote. This slack attitude is part of the standard of mediocrity Obama has established as the new normal. This scares the crap out the Obama team and is a direct result of the malaise he has created over the past 3 1/2 years.

HDB

August 30th, 2012
12:33 pm

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:07 pm

Doom…the biggest problem with the GOP is that racism has been imbedded into its core philosophy since 1964. Keven Phillips, the architect of Noxon’s “Southern Strategy” in 1968 basically came out and said “black people have no place in the Republican Party.” He also said that black people would use the Democratic Party like the Irish did — “to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.”

Barry Goldwater in 1964 went against the Civil Rights Act, changing the dynamic of the GOP…and forgetting its history! That allowed the Dixiecrats to migrate from the Democratic Party (where they were the CONSERVATIVES) to the Republican Party (who are NOW the conservatives).

Currently, Republicans want to revise the history….but that racist attitude is still prevalent in the GOP; did you hear about what happened to the CNN camerawoman…..only 42 black delegates to the ENTIRE convention….the vitriol of Jan Brewer?? Remember GOP stalwarts like Everett Dirksen (IL), Lowell Weicker (CT), Edward Brooke (MA)??

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 30th, 2012
12:33 pm

The ad is blatantly false, but it is nonetheless effective at “generating angry white guys,” to borrow Graham’s phrase.”

“Angry white guys(and gals) are also good at repeating Reagan’s welfare queen scenario, and updating where needed (iphones, kids wearing Nike Air Jordans, 200000″ spinners on an Escalade, prom dresses, etc).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hiya, Midori! :wink:

Missed ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT2fJxebIRw

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:34 pm

“people in my party do pull Stupid Racist Tricks from time to time and saying ZOMGGGGG UNFAIR Rep CRITICISM at *those* times just makes us look like we don’t want to face what racism does actually exist in our party.”- Joe Mama

I got needed to make one more typo correction to get it perfectly right. But yep. Joe is right.

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:35 pm

Let’s see Cons — how many times did Ryan vote with W for his unpaid for tax cuts and war-mongering policies???

:)

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:35 pm

RB — “What exactly do you think the R party should promise to do for the black community In order to get their vote? It needs to be enough to make a difference for sure, so what is it? Be specific and leave the sillyness aside.”

It’s got nothing to do with *doing* anything for them. You’re setting it up like a bribe.

I’ve said this several times here before. The GOP needs to go LISTEN to these constituencies that it wants — African-Americans, Hispanics, etc. Not go make an appearance and a speech, but actually go into these communities and ASK about their concerns, their problems and their interests.

For too long, the GOP has acted like simply articulating their plans and platform will make all these voters they want have a Come To Jebus moment and magically decide that they really should be voting Republican. That makes a nice daydream, but the reality is a bit harder.

I firmly believe that some Republicans demogogue certain segments of the black and hispanic communities because they don’t KNOW much about the communities and they’re used to dissing them because they think that helps them win more white votes. I don’t think that ALL Republicans do that, but I do think that some do — and that most of those that don’t simply let it happen and don’t call it out.

RB, if y’all want black or hispanic votes, you need to go into their communities and WIN THEM OVER, not expect that those votes are just going to come your way because, you know, y’all go to church just like they do n’ stuff.

East Lake Ira

August 30th, 2012
12:36 pm

Jay the sad fact is the GOP has no plan and cannot plan to widen their base without losing their current factions of “Angry White Men”, pro-life tyrants, and wealthy misers.

They cannot imagine a worldview outside of their own narrow Reagan inspired future of “shining cities” etc…

To grow their brand, they first have to shed themselves of their current driving forces: greed, theism, and hate.

That won’t happen for a generation or two at best and by then they’ll be a party akin to the Greens.

huh?

August 30th, 2012
12:36 pm

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:31 pm

Both who threw peanuts were removed correct?

also do you have any direct quotes from republicans “demonizing all of them as lazy and just waiting around for a check.” as you claim?

Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
12:36 pm

“Are you saying that ‘deficits don’t matter’ until we get to $16 billion in debt?”

Nope. What I am saying is that if your mind can’t understand that the problem is increasingly urgent as the debt gets larger and larger then I’m afraid I can’t help you.

CJ

August 30th, 2012
12:37 pm

Thank you Paul. Actually that link me to the definition of a “natural born citizen” under the U.S. Constitution:

“The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term ‘natural born’ citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship ‘by birth’ or ‘at birth’, either by being born ‘in’ the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship ‘at birth’. Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an ‘alien’ required to go through the legal process of ‘naturalization’ to become a U.S. citizen.”

So, George Romney is good. Actually, it seems to me that Barak Obama would fall under the definition of a a natural born citizen, even if he had been born in Kenya. http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:37 pm

Doom — “Joe Mama, I couldn’t agree with you more.”

Of course. You just had to misrepresent what I said in order to do it.

Doom, you’re emblematic of what I just said. You’ll whine about the ‘unfair criticism’ and dismiss fair criticism when it’s deserved. Shrug.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:37 pm

People are going to vote with their wallets

Yes they are. And most blame Bush for whats in that wallet.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 30th, 2012
12:37 pm

OK, what’s the deal?

Are we going back to the 100 posts per page format?

RB from Gwinnett

August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm

So, just don’t demonize them and the vote goes to 50/50?

Better keep cheesy grits in the kiddy pool.

TaxPayer

August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm

Who was it that was asking me to give them a link to a convention photo to support my claim about the light reflective properties of the GOP constituency? Well, I think Jay has taken care of that one for me.

That Black Guy

August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm

They BOTH suck

August 30th, 2012
12:12 pm
Doom

Guess there is no need to post all the Republican racially tinged quotes is there?
______________________________________
TBS, what’s up man? Hope your week has been well?

I think Ahem’s 12:03 is a good example of what Doony is saying.

I was thinking about this on the way home yesterday. I am getting REALLY tired of the talking heads with an agenda trying to tell tell me what is or is not racist/racially tinged.

I have seen and been chased by ACTUAL racisim. I have been shot at. I have had bottles thrown from moving vehicles while I walked down a country road. I have been called a n**ger.

I really don’t need some insulated media mouthpiece tell me what I have experienced or what I should think.

TBS, none of this is directed at you, just venting.

Ahem

August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm

The case for armed citizens:

…just dropped off her child at the school when the child’s father showed up, and the two got into an argument. The child’s father, 38-year-old Roberto Barron allegedly then stabbed the woman several times in the upper body and neck area.

Police say a bystander who happened to be a concealed handgun license holder pulled his weapon and ordered Barron to drop the knife. Barron surrendered and was taken into custody by the bystander and a school district officer….

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:39 pm

Doom — “Nope. What I am saying is that if your mind can’t understand that the problem is increasingly urgent as the debt gets larger and larger then I’m afraid I can’t help you.”

I don’t deny that the problem is increasingly urgent. It just strikes me as dishonest that the GOP and their adherents didn’t seem to care about it until after Obama got elected.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet,USAF)

August 30th, 2012
12:39 pm

Ok, the unemployment rate is 8.3%, I understand it is around 16% in the black community also, right or wrong? Tell me seriously, why would a black person(who is not receiving some type of freebies from the govt) have such strong support in the black communities? Is it what most think it is? No white libs need reply, an educated African American only please! Thanks

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:39 pm

The south went Republican real quick right after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Bill.

Goldie

August 30th, 2012
12:39 pm

Romney/Ryan — We Put Our Dogs On Top Of Our Cars! Because They Like It!

:)

Joseph

August 30th, 2012
12:41 pm

Even Bookman’s most rabid followers seem speechless today. I guess the though of Ryan on stage with Biden would probably worry me to.

alittlecommonsense

August 30th, 2012
12:42 pm

“How are you going to change that? What’s the strategy?”

You’re right Jay. Demographically the Rebublicans are screwed. I hope they don’t resort to pandering or vote buying to turn it around but I suspect that is the answer.

Maybe if I had my way, we would see more minorities move into the middle and upper classes where Republicans have much stronger support.

That Black Guy

August 30th, 2012
12:42 pm

And while Chris Matthews *invents* racism so he can be outraged, he is silent on the topic of Mia Love’s wiki page.

As are alot of self appointed *identifiers* of racism.

They BOTH suck

August 30th, 2012
12:42 pm

Thulsa

You can believe that if you wish. You certainly have that right.

The game is played all the time by all sides. Only difference is how it is played, but do not be mistaken the right does a damn good job of doing it as well.

It is not reality to say it is so prevalent on one side or the other.

I can post as many strategies and quotes from the right as you can from the left, which would indicate that all are playing and playing hard

Sad fact, but it is two way street and the traffic is backed up both ways

Midori

August 30th, 2012
12:43 pm

Kammy!! :)

Paul!!! :)

Goldie!!! :)

Redneck!!! :)

it’s old home day on the Bookman Blog :)

Midori

August 30th, 2012
12:44 pm

I guess the though of Ryan on stage with Biden would probably worry me to.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:lol:

:lol:

:lol:

:lol:

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 30th, 2012
12:44 pm

“Are we going back to the 100 posts per page format?”

That would be fantastic. Longer the better.

getalife

August 30th, 2012
12:45 pm

Is Mia Love Reggie Love’s wife?

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:45 pm

TBS — “Sad fact, but it is two way street and the traffic is backed up both ways”

This.

People on both sides need to be aware of the *potential* for racism in their own ranks and to at least *listen* to complaints about it instead of dismissing criticism out of hand.

East Lake Ira

August 30th, 2012
12:46 pm

TBG – Equating the hatred spewed anonomously over the internet at Mia Love with the hatred spewed at the President by party leaders all across this country is ridiculous.

Get over yourself.

getalife

August 30th, 2012
12:46 pm

Good to see you Midori :)

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

August 30th, 2012
12:46 pm

So, just don’t demonize them and the vote goes to 50/50?

Like I said. It would be a start.

They BOTH suck

August 30th, 2012
12:46 pm

alittlecommonsense

There are minorities in the middle and upper middle class. Most still vote Democrat.

Just saying

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
12:46 pm

Midori, Joseph is our new blog mascot. You might have to clean up after him if he has an accident on the floor. :D

bob

August 30th, 2012
12:47 pm

Larry, why should repubs quit targeting dead people and illegals ?

Old Goober

August 30th, 2012
12:48 pm

The south went Republican real quick right after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Bill.

Bingo! Racism is an inherent component of the modern Republican, a 180-degree switch from what it was like 100 years ago. Oh, they’ll assure you that they’re color-blind, but that’s so much BS. All that talk about balancing the budget? That’s so much double-talk for “stop giving freebies to Those People.” Note that Republicans are all for exempting the Department of Defense from forthcoming cuts. Implicit in their demands is that the difference should be made up by even more cuts in social programs. And they wonder why minorities won’t vote for them!

HDB

August 30th, 2012
12:48 pm

RB from Gwinnett

August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

“What exactly do you think the R party should promise to do for the black community In order to get their vote? It needs to be enough to make a difference for sure, so what is it? Be specific and leave the sillyness aside
.”

OK….speaking for myself, here’s what I’d recommend:

1) ADMIT to the racist history of the party! Ken Mehlman, Michael Steele, and Lee Atwater made it known…but too many revisionists keep crying that racism in the GOP doesn’t exist.

2) Create an ATTRACTIVE dialog!! It was a coalition of progressive Republicans and black people that got the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964. You have to come up with ideas that will make us vote FOR you!! Persistence in tax cuts isn’t the answer!!

3) Understand important black issues and come up with PLAUSIBLE solutions!! Education and employment are the two most important issues! Public education is VITAL in the black community…but when we hear of vouchers, we know this: 1) vouchers won’t cover the costs….so basically, we see you advocating CUTTING educational funding; 2) post-secondary costs are getting cost-prohibitive in many communities….and educational LOANS aren’t always the answer!!

3) Make the criminal justice system FAIRER! We see that minority MALES are TARGETED by law enforcement….and serve LONGER sentences than their Caucasian contemporaries!

4) Tie the welfare system to education and job training rather than persistently denigrating those who need the safety net for survival!!

5) CHANGE THE TONE!! When we hear the code words that Republicans ALWAYS seem to use, there’s NO WAY we can be attracted to such! “Welfare queens”, “thugs”…..all of those denigrations reflect negatively on the party….and your candidates!!

6) COME TO THE COMMUNITY AND ASK FOR OUR VOTE!! Why should we vote FOR you when you IGNORE us!! We won’t bite…if you have a sensible message!!

THAT’S the beginning….more can come later!! (Hope this helps!)

Jay

August 30th, 2012
12:48 pm

” I hope they don’t resort to pandering or vote buying to turn it around but I suspect that is the answer.”

littlecommonsense, if you think that’s the only way to reach out effectively to this group, that itself reflects your problem.

Rafe Hollister

August 30th, 2012
12:48 pm

The Dems are slowly but surely killing the Golden Goose that is America, the free enterprise economy. Four more years may not be enough to completely eliminate all the businesses and the wealthy, but it will surely be enough to wound the country sufficiently that it will be doomed long term.

The minorities will be interested in the GOP, when the long slow decline finally matters in their life. When they have to ride for miles to find a grocery store still open and gas prices climb out of their reach and the EBT card gets harder to get and the government checks are hit and miss for those depending on them. They will then wake up and say what the heck happened, who killed the Golden Goose.

Midori

August 30th, 2012
12:49 pm

Hi Getalife :) *hugs*

JHM — so that’s his new day job, huh? :)

Ahem

August 30th, 2012
12:49 pm

Talk about startling:

The new survey conducted by Wenzel Strategies of likely Missouri general election voters shows that Senate candidate Todd Akin has regained his lead over Senator Claire McCaskill by a 45% to 42% margin, with 13% undecided. It also shows Akin leading by 10 points among independent voters.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 30th, 2012
12:49 pm

That would be fantastic. Longer the better.

I prefer the 100 per page format, especially when I am limited by 2G service as it takes a very long time to load a page with a video embed.

But anything over 100 posts takes a long time just because of the volume.

CJ

August 30th, 2012
12:49 pm

Even Bookman’s most rabid followers seem speechless today. I guess the though of Ryan on stage with Biden would probably worry me to.

Fortunately, Romney and Ryan are likely to learn that it’s not possible to lie their way into the White House: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukkJYkANZ98&feature=player_embedded