For Paul Ryan and the GOP, a moment to shine

Paul Ryan delivered a damn good speech last night.

You could argue with and dispute many of the points that he made, but that’s the thing about a speech: You don’t get to argue with it while it’s being delivered. A speech of that sort creates a protected reality, giving the speaker an unchallenged, extended moment in which to define himself, his party and his world. Ryan used that moment well.

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(The best example of that phenomenon may have been Ryan’s predecessor, Sarah Palin, who in the same speech four years earlier created an attractive image of herself and her world that crumbled the moment she left the stage.)

Ryan, a creature of Washington for all of his adult life, knows his business and his role. As the enthusiastic response of his fellow Republicans demonstrated, last night he made their world his world, succeeding in linking speaker and audience in common outlook and purpose. The larger, more difficult question is whether he made a similar connection with millions of Americans watching from home.

In many ways he probably did. When he spoke of a tough economy — “23 million people, unemployed or underemployed. Nearly one in six Americans is living in poverty. Millions of young Americans have graduated from college during the Obama presidency, ready to use their gifts and get moving in life. Half of them can’t find the work they studied for, or any work at all” — it was an America that everybody in the convention hall and in living rooms recognized.

When he warned of our deepening national debt, and the fear that our children would live more cramped and difficult lives than we have, he echoed fears felt by any American who is paying attention to public life.

But the next morning, once the music has died, the applause has disappeared and the janitors are sweeping the floor of the previous night’s discards, things come into focus a bit more sharply.

For example, it was interesting to watch Ryan bewail the fact that this country’s credit rating had been downgraded, failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.

Ryan also noted that Obama had created a bipartisan debt commission whose report had come to nothing, yet somehow the congressman neglected to point out his own prominent role in its demise. He himself, as a member of the Simpson-Bowles commission, voted against accepting its recommendations and by doing so he made sure the report went nowhere.

Likewise, when Ryan accused Obama of “raiding” Medicare of $716 billion, he failed to note that in his House budget that made him famous, he too diverted $716 billion from Medicare. Instead of using it to extend health care to millions of uninsured Americans, he used it to finance more tax cuts for the wealthy. A difference in prioirities, I suppose.

Finally, in a speech that stressed responsibility and tough decisions, Ryan put the nation’s burgeoning debt entirely on the shoulders of one man.

“Yet by his own decisions, President Obama has added more debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined,” Ryan charged. “One president, one term, $5 trillion in new debt.”

Surely the chairman of the House Budget Committee, where all spending bills originate, must have played some tiny role in that process, did he not? Surely a politician committed to truth-telling on tough topics would not ignore the role that he and his own party played — budget-busting tax cuts that never produced promised economic growth; two wars, one necessary but badly led, the other a tragic misadventure, and both of them hugely expensive and unfunded; and an economic crisis unmatched in 80 years, touched off by a steady deregulation of Wall Street that he and his fellow Republicans insist even now must be deregulated even further.

Surely these too played a role, did they not?

And if nothing is being done in Washington, it is useful to ask whether a party that scorns compromise, that ejects from its membership any who dare question its holy agenda, and that pursues an extremist economic platform to the exclusion of all else just might, perhaps, maybe bear some responsibility for that state of affairs?

These are the kind of “details” that can be swept away, momentarily, in the emotion of a good speech well-delivered. But they do not go away forever. The next morning — this morning — they still stare all of us in the face.

– Jay Bookman

440 comments Add your comment

tenneseered

August 30th, 2012
8:42 am

Welcome to the Occupation

August 30th, 2012
8:45 am

Welcome to imbecile nation, where an attempt to help provide health care for the 50 million uninsured in this country is a “cold power play”, something that “we didn’t even ask for”.

Paul Ryan is a two-bit punk and a liar who is a parasite on the body of the people. Never really done any constructive thinking or work in his life, yet gets up every day and dedicates himself to stripping others less fortunate than himself from the possibility of securing or maintaining their livelihood.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 30th, 2012
8:46 am

Georgia on my mind...

August 30th, 2012
8:50 am

Excellent article Jay, one of your “best”!

the cat

August 30th, 2012
8:53 am

Granny-thanks, I never would normally read something on Fox.

NA

August 30th, 2012
8:54 am

Welcome to the occupation——– your comment was right on but you had the name wrong. I think you ment to say Obama.

Paul Ryan—— great speech——– offers real hope——– impressive—— puts America first——will make America strong again—- this means the country and all of it’s people not a select few.

Cosby

August 30th, 2012
8:55 am

Tired of the smear…The USA has a big financial problem. Medicare will be totally broke – out of money – in twelve years. Obama did take / steal $7+ billion from medicare to make his bill financial neutral – which has been proven it is not. Like it or not, whether a Republican or democratc, you have a choice..surrender to big government and vote Obama ot Vote Mitt and Ryan and have a chance, yes that is correct, a chance to regain freedom. Obama and his administration have shreddded the constitution from the EPA, to the NLRB. I love the media treats Obama and company as celebraties..hollywood style while the USA is going to hell….real median household income went from $50,112 when Obama took over to $49,777, the number of unemployed went from $11,616,000 to $14,485,000, the number of Federal Employess ( big brother is watching) went from 2,779,000 to 2,840,000, the number of food stamp recipients went from 31,983,716 to 43,200,878, national debt in trillions went from $10.627 to 14.052. As for medicare where Obama stole $7+ billion..it was designed as an insurance program..the citizens paid into it all their working life to pay for insurance in their retirement..Obama looks as if it is another slush fund for him to spend…Gee Jay, that tingling feeling down your leg may not be what you think. We have a choice..big brother in Obama or a chance to get back to freedom – Mitt and Ryan..May God have mercy on The USA’s soul!!!

Mick

August 30th, 2012
8:56 am

Well, here we go…the tug of war will really start ramping up now; hopefully some kind of truth will prevail…

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
8:56 am

more like a moment to shine-ola!

:-)

Paul

August 30th, 2012
8:57 am

Jay

If the Obama campaign calls and asks if they can heavily plagiarize your material for the debate prep, please say ‘Yes!”.

M

August 30th, 2012
8:58 am

“Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” = “my ultimate Ayn Rand porn”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 30th, 2012
9:00 am

Well they stare some of us in the face Jay…. the conned are covering their eyes, ears and nose the moment the speech ended….they will see only what they want to see and await to be further deceived and conned by the GOP

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 30th, 2012
9:00 am

smear?

on my bagel perhaps….

Jay

August 30th, 2012
9:01 am

To the person attempting to post here under “Brocephus”:

If you aren’t man enough to post under your own false name, and if you are so lame as to try to steal another poster’s identity, you will not be allowed to post here at all.

Buh-bye!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 30th, 2012
9:01 am

Wow, Granny…. that dang liberal media at Fox sure has Ryan’s number. :lol:

Peadawg

August 30th, 2012
9:02 am

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette @ 8:46 am – Ouch!

Keep @ 9:00 am – Cosby beat you to it.

Murph

August 30th, 2012
9:03 am

Thanks for the article link, Granny. Here’s my favorite line…”the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth.” – Fox News

Yes…Fox News!….I’m still shaking my head in disbelief!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 30th, 2012
9:04 am

Reposted from yesterday, but a timely reminder…

http://cheezburger.com/6388190464

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 30th, 2012
9:07 am

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:08 am

get ‘em Jay!!!

kayaker 71

August 30th, 2012
9:08 am

Perhaps Brocephus just saw the light. I have often wondered how many people who are regulars post under an assumed name from time to time. Only Bookman would know that.

FrankLeeDarling

August 30th, 2012
9:08 am

The stench coming from Tampa is thick .
These lying scum will say anything to protect their rich masters.
Corporate boot lickers

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:09 am

Rightwingnuts will swoon over Ryan’s speech and counter all the factual errors with tripe like “Obama promised to close Guantanamo and he lied because it’s still open.”

If your ideas are terrible, then truth must be the first casualty.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 30th, 2012
9:09 am

Jay, speaking of bans, Fred asks me to ask why he has been banned.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 30th, 2012
9:09 am

I know it’s nosey, but I’d love to know who it was we just lost….

F. Sinkwich

August 30th, 2012
9:10 am

One of my favorite lines from his speech:

“College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.”

No wonder O’bozo is touring campuses these days…

mm

August 30th, 2012
9:12 am

Ryan’s nose should be 2 feet long after that speech.

Jay

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am

Fred has not been banned. He merely ran afoul of the spam filter somehow, and I believe that problem has been fixed.

As to the person who attempted to run the false-flag operation as Brosephus, it was not someone who has posted here regularly in the past.

Nor will he do so in the future.

Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am

“For example, it was interesting to watch Ryan bewail the fact that this country’s credit rating had been downgraded, failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.”

Unnecessary crises over debt. Good grief Jay where did you get this cut and paste? Our credit rating was downgraded because of our debt. Good job of wordsmithing though but no substance. The fear of Paul Ryan is amusing.

mm

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am

Same with the cons on this blog.

F. Sinkwich

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am

Two more goodies:

“We will not spend four years blaming others, we will take responsibility.  

We will not try to replace our founding principles, we will reapply our founding principles. ”

I wonder who he was referring to?

Hmmmmmmmmm.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am

“College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.”

Parents should do a better job preparing their kids to get out and find a job.

Oh, but the “small government” crowd will blame the President instead. :roll:

My last task as a parent is to sell our big home when the kids leave for college. :)

kayaker 71

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am

Bookman,

Why would you say that Ryan gave a “damn good speech” in one sentence and then in the second half of your thread, condemn him for telling lies. Doesn’t make sense.

the cat

August 30th, 2012
9:14 am

Just had the chance to watch Kasim Reed’s tape from yesterday. Priceless!!!

bookman parrot

August 30th, 2012
9:14 am

Jay,
Why do you “luv” a president that wants to make people more and more and more dependent on government. I’m talking cradle to grave dependency.

Jay

August 30th, 2012
9:14 am

kayaker, most regulars don’t.

A handful do, and I think y’all can probably put together a list of those on your own.

Fred ™

August 30th, 2012
9:14 am

garyk511

August 30th, 2012
9:14 am

I like Ryan. He’s offering to take responsibility to do something. Obama is failing this country and somebody has to step up to get things sorted out. The financial needle is red-lining.

skipper

August 30th, 2012
9:15 am

Jay,
Whether you are a Repub, Dem, Independant or whatever……nobody much is better off than four years ago. The economy is still in a mess, and Dodd-Frank has helped turn the banking industry into a government-run joke. Somebody who knows actual business (Romney or WHOEVER) may be the way to go. In the words of a great person I know: “What we are doin’ ain’t workin!”

Common Sense

August 30th, 2012
9:15 am

“These are the kind of “details” that can be swept away, momentarily, in the emotion of a good speech well-delivered.”

We have seen the details of the Obama administration not swept away momentarily, but on a permanent basis.

Or at least until the election is over…

Paul

August 30th, 2012
9:15 am

Ryan’s a smart guy. So’s Romney. No one who isn’t gets to that level (but some try awful hard to challenge that assertion).

So Ryan must absolutely know how duplicitous his statements are. Which means he’s willing to bet those not yet decided are ignorant enough to not see thu his falsehoods.

In response to those who say ‘well, Obama…” as a justification, I will note the major difference is the one Jay outlined yesterday. This is not a case of an occasional misstatement. It is not the case of carefully shading a statement so it can give a false impression. It is the central strategy of the campaign to use major elements that have repeatedly been shown to be false.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:15 am

Our credit rating was downgraded because of our debt.

Wrong. Read the explanations of the downgrades. Out loud so that everyone can hear it.

Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?

August 30th, 2012
9:15 am

GOP Convention, Mitt Romney Haunted By Ghost Of George W. Bush

WASHINGTON — George W. Bush made it clear months ago that he wouldn’t attend the Republican National Convention this week in Tampa. But his absence is not just physical; it’s metaphysical.

That’s because Bush’s very existence belies two of the most critical selling points of GOP nominee Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign: That tax cuts for the rich will create jobs, and that Romney is bringing a fresh new approach that can turn the country’s fortunes around.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/gop-convention-mitt-romney-george-w-bush_n_1840655.html

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2012
9:16 am

“both of them hugely expensive and unfunded”

Sorry Jay. Not “unfunded” unBUDGETED. The wars were funded via supplemental funding bills.

Brosephus™

August 30th, 2012
9:16 am

Damn, I missed my own impersonator??? What did I supposedly say?

:)

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:17 am

“Our credit rating was downgraded because of our debt.”

Bollocks:

S&P removed for the first time the triple-A rating the U.S. has held for 70 years, saying the budget deal recently brokered in Washington didn’t do enough to address the gloomy outlook for America’s finances. It downgraded long-term U.S. debt to AA+, a score that ranks below more than a dozen governments’, including Liechtenstein’s, and on par with Belgium’s and New Zealand’s. S&P also put the new grade on “negative outlook,” meaning the U.S. has little chance of regaining the top rating in the near term.

(snip)

S&P said the downgrade “reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s medium-term debt dynamics.” It also blamed the weakened “effectiveness, stability, and predictability” of U.S. policy making and political institutions at a time when challenges are mounting.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903366504576490841235575386.html

Paul

August 30th, 2012
9:18 am

Bytme

shhhh…. they’re into recreating reality, remember?

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:18 am

Hi Brocephus!!!

glad to have the REAL you back :-)

Steve

August 30th, 2012
9:18 am

Wow – this is from the Faux News article, no less:

“2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252F2VCQZ

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:18 am

Why would you say that Ryan gave a “damn good speech” in one sentence and then in the second half of your thread, condemn him for telling lies. Doesn’t make sense.

Sure it does. A damn good speech draws people in, gets them pumped up, makes them want to do something. Doesn’t necessarily have to be factually accurate to be a good speech.

The problem is the rebuttal if you’ve filled your speech with lies. You didn’t see any rebuttal from the Tampa stage last night.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 30th, 2012
9:18 am

For all the Ryan supporters, here’s a sample of your Golden Boys voting record:

Highlights of the voting record of Paul Ryan

Voted YES corporate welfare for big agriculture

Aug. 2, 2012 HR 6233 Agricultural Disaster Assistance Act of 2012 Bill Passed – House
(223 – 197) Yea

Voted YES for a bloated defense bill

July 19, 2012 HR 5856 Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2013 Bill Passed – House (326 – 90) Yea

Voted NO to repeal NDAA indefinite detention

May 18, 2012 H Amdt 1127 Repeals Indefinite Military Detention Provisions Amendment Rejected – House (182 – 238) Nay

Voted YES to prohibit reductions in nuclear weapons as required by START Treaty

May 18, 2012 H Amdt 1140 Prohibits Reductions to Strategic Nuclear Arms Required by New START Amendment Adopted – House (238 – 162) Yea

Noted NO to limit military spending on the Afghanistan War

May 17, 2012 H Amdt 1103 Limits Funding for War in Afghanistan to the Withdrawal of U.S. Forces Amendment Rejected – House (113 – 303) Nay

Voted YES to override military sequestration (spending cuts) negotiated in last year’s ‘let raise the debt limit bill’.

May 10, 2012 HR 5652 Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act of 2012 Bill Passed – House (218 – 199) Yea

Voted YES on CISPA, the bill that attacks Internet liberty and the 1st amendment.

April 26, 2012 HR 3523 Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act Bill Passed – House (248 – 168) Yea

Voted YES on corporate welfare for the Keystone Pipeline which also authorized the use of Eminent Domain to seize private property for a private use.

April 18, 2012 HR 4348 Extension of Surface Transportation Funding and Approval of the Keystone XL Pipeline Bill Passed – House (293 – 127) Yea

Voted NO to extend payroll tax cuts which is effectively a tax increase on the poor and middle class.

Feb. 17, 2012 HR 3630 Extends Payroll Tax Cut Conference Report Adopted – House
(293 – 132) Nay

Voted YES to encourage that the words “In God We Trust” be displayed in all public schools.

Nov. 1, 2011 H Con Res 13 Encourages Display of “In God We Trust” in Public Buildings and Schools Resolution Passed – House (396 – 9) Yea

Voted YES on a corporatist trade agreement with Columbia, Panama and Korea.

Oct. 12, 2011 HR 3078 Trade Promotion Agreement with Colombia Bill Passed – House
(262 – 167) Yea

Oct. 12, 2011 HR 3079 Trade Promotion Agreement with Panama Bill Passed – House
(300 – 129) Yea

Oct. 12, 2011 HR 3080 Free Trade Agreement with Korea Bill Passed – House
(278 – 151) Yea

Voted YES to increase the debt ceiling

July 29, 2011 S 627 Increasing the Debt Ceiling (Boehner Bill) Bill Passed – House
(218 – 210) Yea

Voted YES on war in Libya

June 24, 2011 H J Res 68 Authorizes Limited Use of US Armed Forces in Libya Joint Resolution Failed – House (123 – 295) Nay

Voted NO to limit funding of NATO for use in Libya

June 24, 2011 HR 2278 Limits the Use of Funds in Support of NATO Operations in Libya Bill Failed – House (180 – 238) Nay

Voted YES for ground forces in Libya

June 3, 2011 H Res 292 Ground Forces in Libya Resolution Passed – House (268 – 145) Yea

Voted NO on removing armed forces from Libya

June 3, 2011 H Con Res 51 Removing Armed Forces from Libya Resolution Failed – House
(148 – 265) Nay

Vote YES to extend the Patriot Act

May 26, 2011 S 990 Patriot Act Extension Concurrence Vote Passed – House (250 – 153) Yea

Paul

August 30th, 2012
9:19 am

Brosephus!!!!

I am sooooo jealous! You have such stature that people want to be you!!! Ever thought of going to Hollywood?

Me, I’m going to the gym.

Later -

Steve

August 30th, 2012
9:19 am

Again, from the conservative website (I really have to give them credit for publishing this):

“Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn’t what the president said. Period.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252FFKwgs

TaxPayer

August 30th, 2012
9:19 am

It’s clearly President Obama’s fault that George Bush and the Republicans, including dear Mr. Ryan, passed legislation for tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that were not offset by any reductions in spending, legislation for two wars with no funding and an unfunded prescription drug benefit. Just ask any Republican. They’ll tell ya. And it just goes without saying that President Obama caused the Great Recession, that began in December of 2007, and triggered the increases in spending on food stamps and Medicaid and unemployment benefits, etc. And of I would be remisss to not mention that President Obama’s stimulus just wouldn’t be the same if it had not included the Republican demands for more tax cuts, a third of the total, that they claimed would stimulate the economy even more than the stimulus money that they, including dear Mr. Ryan, begged for to fund actual construction jobs, etc., in every state in the Union. .:roll:

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:19 am

one more quote from the same WSJ article:

The firm’s conclusion “was pretty much motivated by all of the debate about the raising of the debt ceiling,” John Chambers, chairman of S&P’s sovereign ratings committee, said in an interview. “It involved a level of brinksmanship greater than what we had expected earlier in the year.”

Obama is over

August 30th, 2012
9:20 am

“None of us should have to settle for the best this administration has to offer, a dull adventure-less journey from one entitlement to the next, a government planned life, a country where everything is free but us.”
Obama is going to have to defend stripping $716B away from seniors to finance Obamacare. Ryan has destroyed Obama in the past on this issue and will do so again over the next 60 days.
Obama can no longer blame others for the environment he inherited. His record speaks for itself. Obama has to finally accept responsibility and accountability for his actions. He also needs to learn that respect is something that is earned, it is not automatically granted because of a title. Perhaps Obama will find the respect he so desperately desires after he is back in the private sector. Jimmy Carter gained nore credibility through Habitat for Humanity than he did in office, but then again, Carter does not have the ego that Obama does. The economy, foreign affairs, energy policy, tax and entitlement reform, unifying Washington- Obama has failed miserably in all of these areas that he optimistically laid out in his inaugural address. Obama will be on the defensive for the next 60 days. I am sure that his team will focus on character assasination, the race card, and wealth envy because that is all they have to run on.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

August 30th, 2012
9:21 am

GOP theme this week has been “We built that”. The “that” is the national debt they are so prominently displaying in their convention hall in the form of Bush tax cuts, 2 wars, and a recession of their own making.

FrankLeeDarling

August 30th, 2012
9:21 am

People keep talking about how better off they should be but fail to realize how much worse off they could have been.

Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:21 am

USinUK, thank you for your supporting contribution in proving my point.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 30th, 2012
9:22 am

Fred ™

August 30th, 2012
9:22 am

How weird. Last night I couldn’t post until I registered at the AJC site where my screen name has already been jacked. Hence the email last night Jay. It was weird, I couldn’t post on any blog. but on subject:

Yesterday at Mellow Mushroom I was served by a Tech grad who has been unable to find a job (other than serving). While disappointed at that, she is still strong in her support for the President. She has been applying for jobs she WANTS rather than just any job so she understands that adds difficulty. I was impressed with her good attitude.

the cat

August 30th, 2012
9:22 am

The democratic convention should be fun!

TaxPayer

August 30th, 2012
9:22 am

Is there a Republican fact locator in the house. We need help scouring Paul Ryan’s speech for those elusive little things. They’re like snipes, I tell ya.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 30th, 2012
9:23 am

There is surely room to compromise when it comes to continuing the plunder of private wealth.
.
Bookman always leaves out Ryan,Biden, and Obama’s rich history/record of doing so.
.
Where’s the love?
.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 30th, 2012
9:23 am

Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am
“For example, it was interesting to watch Ryan bewail the fact that this country’s credit rating had been downgraded, failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.”

Unnecessary crises over debt. Good grief Jay where did you get this cut and paste? Our credit rating was downgraded because of our debt. Good job of wordsmithing though but no substance. The fear of Paul Ryan is amusing.

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Is it more palatable in slighty different verbage from FOX NEWS:

“Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling”

Fred ™

August 30th, 2012
9:23 am

Brosephus™

August 30th, 2012
9:16 am

Damn, I missed my own impersonator??? What did I supposedly say?
++++++++++++++++++++

You made sexual advances to me, Jay, Del, and Doomy.

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:24 am

Recon – “thank you for your supporting contribution in proving my point.”

your point was that POLITICS was the problem???

if so, that’s not what you stated.

Peter

August 30th, 2012
9:24 am

I like Ryan. He’s offering to take responsibility to do something.

Really like what specifically……….. cause Ryan isn’t saying anything ?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 30th, 2012
9:24 am

I think the GOP has followed Alice through the looking glass…and Ol’ Mitt is the white rabbit

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 30th, 2012
9:25 am

You mean “a moment to lie”?

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:25 am

I was impressed with her good attitude.

All-you-can-eat good free pizza will do that :)

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 30th, 2012
9:26 am

Hasn’t he compromised enough?
Where’s the love?

Obama – Amnesty (Dream Act)
Romney – Amnesty (Dream Act)
Ryan – Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
Dr. Paul – NO AMNESTY

Obama – TARP
Romney – TARP
Ryan – TARP
Dr. Paul – Warned and warned AGAINST TARP

Obama – Signed NDAA
Romney – Would sign NDAA
Ryan – Voted for NDAA
Dr. Paul – REPEAL NDAA

Obama – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Romney – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Ryan – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Dr. Paul – END THE FED.

Obama – Nation-building
Romney – Nation-building
Ryan – Nation-building
Dr. Paul – Nonintervention

Obama – “Patriot” Act
Romney – “Patriot” Act
Ryan – “Patriot” Act
Dr. Paul – Fourth Amendment

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
9:26 am

Recon — “USinUK, thank you for your supporting contribution in proving my point.”

She did nothing of the sort.

The credit rating agencies CLEARLY STATED — when they announced the downgrade — that it had much more to do with Congress’ intransigence about raising the debt ceiling than with anything the President said or did.

This is a matter of historical fact, not of belief and desire on your part for it to be something quite diffferent.

JohnnyReb

August 30th, 2012
9:27 am

So, some Moonbats are surprised that Fox News posts opposing opinions. Could that mean some, but surely none of those here, don’t know squat about Fox other than they are Conservative. It’s like the comments received here when I post something from The Heritage Foundation. If it’s conservative, Moonbats think it crap.

As for me, I’ll continue my bigot ways. All I have to read about Sally is that she is a Community Organizer. A person whose sole contribution is to stir up hate and discontent. She did it with the piece on Fox and you guys eat it up.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 30th, 2012
9:27 am

Recon….. too “patriotic” for facts. [Borrowed from the Daily Show]

Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:27 am

“Read the explanations of the downgrades. Out loud ”

I’ll let you do so on your own, however, it appears it didn’t take you long to falsely believe it’s true.

Fred ™

August 30th, 2012
9:27 am

LOL Byteme: Unfortunately this fat boy is on a diet so I had to settle for all I can eat salad with none of the good stuff (cheese, bacon ect) and no dressing………….

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:27 am

thanks JHM!!

Mick

August 30th, 2012
9:28 am

yaker

It was a good speech as far as delivery; however, all that is negated by outright lies and half truths…

Cynthia Tucker needs someone to rub her feet

August 30th, 2012
9:28 am

Jay, are you seriously trying to debate Ryan’s points with recycled rhetoric and a “no he didn’t, yes he did” playground reasoing? You’re a democaratic puppet-wannabe that can’t get a TV or otherwise good paying job.

‘Extremist economic platform’ are you kidding me?

Care to comment on his first point about how when faced with hhuge jobless numbers and a democratic controlled D.C, Obama decided his first goal was to pass a $800 billion spending bill and try to package it as a ’stimulus’ ?

How dumb do you think we are?

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 30th, 2012
9:28 am

Don’t let a speech divide the Progressives.
They all do that.

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Obama – Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
Romney – Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
Ryan – Gungrabber (Voted for MANDATORY GUNSHOW background check)
Dr. Paul – Second Amendment – Introduced legislation to repeal the “Brady Bill” and “Assault Weapons Ban.”

Obama – Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
Romney – Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
Ryan – Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
Dr. Paul – Free-market healthcare

Obama – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Romney – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Ryan – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Dr. Paul – Strict Constitutionalist

USinUK - thug with a uterus ... and former Girl Scout

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

“I’ll let you do so on your own, however, it appears it didn’t take you long to falsely believe it’s true.”

:lol:

so the S&P stated reason WASN’T the true reason

sweet jeebus, you ARE good for a laugh …

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

Recon – “Unnecessary crises over debt. Good grief Jay where did you get this cut and paste?”

Here Recon, facts and reading are your friend. You’ll notice the BOTH parties are mentioned.

From the S&P:

“The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year’s wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.”

gm

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

Ryan charged. “One president, one term, $5 trillion in new debt.”

The wing right failed to mention all that money was used to bail out Americans who lives were destroyed under GW Bush.

When will the gutless right come out and say we dont believe in helping Americans we believe in building up other countries infrastructure”””””’

bez

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

Good article.

TaxPayer

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

What’s this. Ryan’s budget will stop adding more to the debt in a mere 28 years. Surely we can ask people to give up Medicare and Medicaid and unemployment benefits and veteran’s benefits and social security benefits for such a deal. After all, the wealthiest will get more tax cuts and the military spending will increase. Doesn’t that make it all worthwhile.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

LOL Byteme: Unfortunately this fat boy is on a diet so I had to settle for all I can eat salad with none of the good stuff (cheese, bacon ect) and no dressing………….

I actually meant her :)

You would eat there for that instead of going to Publix to get a bag o’ greens?

Brosephus™

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

Perhaps Brocephus just saw the light.

I did see the light, a long time ago… I don’t buy into any of this bulldada that’s masquerading as truth.

Peadawg

August 30th, 2012
9:30 am

It just sounds like Recon is butthurt and in complete denial.

Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:30 am

Joe, if drinking the Kool-Aid makes you happy it’s okay by me.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 30th, 2012
9:31 am

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:31 am

Joe, if drinking the Kool-Aid makes you happy it’s okay by me.

That’s irony, right?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 30th, 2012
9:31 am

Johnny Reb
As for me, I’ll continue my bigot ways.
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Old news dude, old news.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 30th, 2012
9:31 am

skipper – “Somebody who knows actual business (Romney or WHOEVER) may be the way to go.”

Two problems with this.

1. The last President “knew” actual business, and the global economy was almost obliterated.

2. The U.S. Government was never designed to turn a profit, so having “actual business experience” is a moot point.

Brosephus™

August 30th, 2012
9:31 am

You made sexual advances to me, Jay, Del, and Doomy.

Bow chicka wow wow!!!!

weetamoe

August 30th, 2012
9:32 am

Once again—Erskine Bowles of the much talked about, by everyone but Obama, Simpson/Bowles commission puts the blame for the failure to implement the suggestions squarely on Obama’s shoulders. Obama has proposed no plan at all for solving the entitlement problem. Ryan at least has the courage to attempt a solution and Obama has dismissed it with a sniff of disdain. But the big story (to a few of us who watched it) is how Condi Rice’s speech just about demolished the myth of Obama as an intellectual-or even smart. Compare and contrast.

lynnie gal

August 30th, 2012
9:33 am

Holy crap, Granny Godzilla! Thanks for posting the link to the Fox article! After reading that, I am speechless. What is this world coming to–when a writer for Fox actually tells the truth? I didn’t think I’d live to see the day. Could it be that the lies being told by Robme/Lyin are so big, so bold, and so fact-checkable, that even Fox is backing away?

ByteMe - Political thug

August 30th, 2012
9:34 am

Ryan at least has the courage to attempt a solution and Obama has dismissed it with a sniff of disdain

The courage? You really have a retarded (and I mean that in the literal sense) view of “courage”. That’s like claiming a wide receiver made a “heroic” catch in traffic.

And you’re saying Ryan supported Simpson/Bowles, right? Just checking to see how far off the path you’ve gone.

Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:34 am

Oh well the libs on here can’t seem to grasp the relationship between raising the debt ceiling and debt. Must be that lack comprehension capability that keeps them in their world of delusion.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 30th, 2012
9:34 am

J. Reb — “If it’s conservative, Moonbats think it crap.”

And it often is. I’ve poked holes in quite a few Heritage pieces that have been posted here, and our own Thulsa Doom *continues* to rely on some cherrypicked Heritage employment figures that he even *admits* were cherrypicked.

“As for me, I’ll continue my bigot ways.”

Well, I was pretty sure you were going to, but thanks for coming right out and saying it.