For Paul Ryan and the GOP, a moment to shine

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Reposted from downstairs…

A MUST READ

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Granny-thanks, I never would normally read something on Fox.

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Tired of the smear…The USA has a big financial problem. Medicare will be totally broke – out of money – in twelve years. Obama did take / steal $7+ billion from medicare to make his bill financial neutral – which has been proven it is not. Like it or not, whether a Republican or democratc, you have a choice..surrender to big government and vote Obama ot Vote Mitt and Ryan and have a chance, yes that is correct, a chance to regain freedom. Obama and his administration have shreddded the constitution from the EPA, to the NLRB. I love the media treats Obama and company as celebraties..hollywood style while the USA is going to hell….real median household income went from $50,112 when Obama took over to $49,777, the number of unemployed went from $11,616,000 to $14,485,000, the number of Federal Employess ( big brother is watching) went from 2,779,000 to 2,840,000, the number of food stamp recipients went from 31,983,716 to 43,200,878, national debt in trillions went from $10.627 to 14.052. As for medicare where Obama stole $7+ billion..it was designed as an insurance program..the citizens paid into it all their working life to pay for insurance in their retirement..Obama looks as if it is another slush fund for him to spend…Gee Jay, that tingling feeling down your leg may not be what you think. We have a choice..big brother in Obama or a chance to get back to freedom – Mitt and Ryan..May God have mercy on The USA’s soul!!!

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more like a moment to shine-ola!

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“Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” = “my ultimate Ayn Rand porn”

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smear?

on my bagel perhaps….

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Wow, Granny…. that dang liberal media at Fox sure has Ryan’s number.

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Thanks for the article link, Granny. Here’s my favorite line…”the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth.” – Fox News

Yes…Fox News!….I’m still shaking my head in disbelief!

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Off topic, but man, I’ve got to get to the beach more…

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/29/13552161-boy-finds-a-bonanza-in-whale-vomit?lite

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Perhaps Brocephus just saw the light. I have often wondered how many people who are regulars post under an assumed name from time to time. Only Bookman would know that.

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Rightwingnuts will swoon over Ryan’s speech and counter all the factual errors with tripe like “Obama promised to close Guantanamo and he lied because it’s still open.”

If your ideas are terrible, then truth must be the first casualty.

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I know it’s nosey, but I’d love to know who it was we just lost….

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Ryan’s nose should be 2 feet long after that speech.

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“For example, it was interesting to watch Ryan bewail the fact that this country’s credit rating had been downgraded, failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.”

Unnecessary crises over debt. Good grief Jay where did you get this cut and paste? Our credit rating was downgraded because of our debt. Good job of wordsmithing though but no substance. The fear of Paul Ryan is amusing.

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Two more goodies:

“We will not spend four years blaming others, we will take responsibility.  

We will not try to replace our founding principles, we will reapply our founding principles. ”

I wonder who he was referring to?

Hmmmmmmmmm.

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Bookman,

Why would you say that Ryan gave a “damn good speech” in one sentence and then in the second half of your thread, condemn him for telling lies. Doesn’t make sense.

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Jay,
Why do you “luv” a president that wants to make people more and more and more dependent on government. I’m talking cradle to grave dependency.

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Jay,
Whether you are a Repub, Dem, Independant or whatever……nobody much is better off than four years ago. The economy is still in a mess, and Dodd-Frank has helped turn the banking industry into a government-run joke. Somebody who knows actual business (Romney or WHOEVER) may be the way to go. In the words of a great person I know: “What we are doin’ ain’t workin!”

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Ryan’s a smart guy. So’s Romney. No one who isn’t gets to that level (but some try awful hard to challenge that assertion).

So Ryan must absolutely know how duplicitous his statements are. Which means he’s willing to bet those not yet decided are ignorant enough to not see thu his falsehoods.

In response to those who say ‘well, Obama…” as a justification, I will note the major difference is the one Jay outlined yesterday. This is not a case of an occasional misstatement. It is not the case of carefully shading a statement so it can give a false impression. It is the central strategy of the campaign to use major elements that have repeatedly been shown to be false.

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GOP Convention, Mitt Romney Haunted By Ghost Of George W. Bush

WASHINGTON — George W. Bush made it clear months ago that he wouldn’t attend the Republican National Convention this week in Tampa. But his absence is not just physical; it’s metaphysical.

That’s because Bush’s very existence belies two of the most critical selling points of GOP nominee Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign: That tax cuts for the rich will create jobs, and that Romney is bringing a fresh new approach that can turn the country’s fortunes around.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/gop-convention-mitt-romney-george-w-bush_n_1840655.html

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Damn, I missed my own impersonator??? What did I supposedly say?

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Bytme

shhhh…. they’re into recreating reality, remember?

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Wow – this is from the Faux News article, no less:

“2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252F2VCQZ“

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For all the Ryan supporters, here’s a sample of your Golden Boys voting record:

Highlights of the voting record of Paul Ryan

Voted YES corporate welfare for big agriculture

Aug. 2, 2012 HR 6233 Agricultural Disaster Assistance Act of 2012 Bill Passed – House
(223 – 197) Yea

Voted YES for a bloated defense bill

July 19, 2012 HR 5856 Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2013 Bill Passed – House (326 – 90) Yea

Voted NO to repeal NDAA indefinite detention

May 18, 2012 H Amdt 1127 Repeals Indefinite Military Detention Provisions Amendment Rejected – House (182 – 238) Nay

Voted YES to prohibit reductions in nuclear weapons as required by START Treaty

May 18, 2012 H Amdt 1140 Prohibits Reductions to Strategic Nuclear Arms Required by New START Amendment Adopted – House (238 – 162) Yea

Noted NO to limit military spending on the Afghanistan War

May 17, 2012 H Amdt 1103 Limits Funding for War in Afghanistan to the Withdrawal of U.S. Forces Amendment Rejected – House (113 – 303) Nay

Voted YES to override military sequestration (spending cuts) negotiated in last year’s ‘let raise the debt limit bill’.

May 10, 2012 HR 5652 Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act of 2012 Bill Passed – House (218 – 199) Yea

Voted YES on CISPA, the bill that attacks Internet liberty and the 1st amendment.

April 26, 2012 HR 3523 Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act Bill Passed – House (248 – 168) Yea

Voted YES on corporate welfare for the Keystone Pipeline which also authorized the use of Eminent Domain to seize private property for a private use.

April 18, 2012 HR 4348 Extension of Surface Transportation Funding and Approval of the Keystone XL Pipeline Bill Passed – House (293 – 127) Yea

Voted NO to extend payroll tax cuts which is effectively a tax increase on the poor and middle class.

Feb. 17, 2012 HR 3630 Extends Payroll Tax Cut Conference Report Adopted – House
(293 – 132) Nay

Voted YES to encourage that the words “In God We Trust” be displayed in all public schools.

Nov. 1, 2011 H Con Res 13 Encourages Display of “In God We Trust” in Public Buildings and Schools Resolution Passed – House (396 – 9) Yea

Voted YES on a corporatist trade agreement with Columbia, Panama and Korea.

Oct. 12, 2011 HR 3078 Trade Promotion Agreement with Colombia Bill Passed – House
(262 – 167) Yea

Oct. 12, 2011 HR 3079 Trade Promotion Agreement with Panama Bill Passed – House
(300 – 129) Yea

Oct. 12, 2011 HR 3080 Free Trade Agreement with Korea Bill Passed – House
(278 – 151) Yea

Voted YES to increase the debt ceiling

July 29, 2011 S 627 Increasing the Debt Ceiling (Boehner Bill) Bill Passed – House
(218 – 210) Yea

Voted YES on war in Libya

June 24, 2011 H J Res 68 Authorizes Limited Use of US Armed Forces in Libya Joint Resolution Failed – House (123 – 295) Nay

Voted NO to limit funding of NATO for use in Libya

June 24, 2011 HR 2278 Limits the Use of Funds in Support of NATO Operations in Libya Bill Failed – House (180 – 238) Nay

Voted YES for ground forces in Libya

June 3, 2011 H Res 292 Ground Forces in Libya Resolution Passed – House (268 – 145) Yea

Voted NO on removing armed forces from Libya

June 3, 2011 H Con Res 51 Removing Armed Forces from Libya Resolution Failed – House
(148 – 265) Nay

Vote YES to extend the Patriot Act

May 26, 2011 S 990 Patriot Act Extension Concurrence Vote Passed – House (250 – 153) Yea

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Again, from the conservative website (I really have to give them credit for publishing this):

“Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn’t what the president said. Period.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252FFKwgs“

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one more quote from the same WSJ article:

The firm’s conclusion “was pretty much motivated by all of the debate about the raising of the debt ceiling,” John Chambers, chairman of S&P’s sovereign ratings committee, said in an interview. “It involved a level of brinksmanship greater than what we had expected earlier in the year.”

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GOP theme this week has been “We built that”. The “that” is the national debt they are so prominently displaying in their convention hall in the form of Bush tax cuts, 2 wars, and a recession of their own making.

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USinUK, thank you for your supporting contribution in proving my point.

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How weird. Last night I couldn’t post until I registered at the AJC site where my screen name has already been jacked. Hence the email last night Jay. It was weird, I couldn’t post on any blog. but on subject:

Yesterday at Mellow Mushroom I was served by a Tech grad who has been unable to find a job (other than serving). While disappointed at that, she is still strong in her support for the President. She has been applying for jobs she WANTS rather than just any job so she understands that adds difficulty. I was impressed with her good attitude.

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Is there a Republican fact locator in the house. We need help scouring Paul Ryan’s speech for those elusive little things. They’re like snipes, I tell ya.

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Recon 0311 2533

August 30th, 2012
9:13 am
“For example, it was interesting to watch Ryan bewail the fact that this country’s credit rating had been downgraded, failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.”

Unnecessary crises over debt. Good grief Jay where did you get this cut and paste? Our credit rating was downgraded because of our debt. Good job of wordsmithing though but no substance. The fear of Paul Ryan is amusing.

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Is it more palatable in slighty different verbage from FOX NEWS:

“Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling”

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Recon – “thank you for your supporting contribution in proving my point.”

your point was that POLITICS was the problem???

if so, that’s not what you stated.

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I think the GOP has followed Alice through the looking glass…and Ol’ Mitt is the white rabbit

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I was impressed with her good attitude.

All-you-can-eat good free pizza will do that

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Recon — “USinUK, thank you for your supporting contribution in proving my point.”

She did nothing of the sort.

The credit rating agencies CLEARLY STATED — when they announced the downgrade — that it had much more to do with Congress’ intransigence about raising the debt ceiling than with anything the President said or did.

This is a matter of historical fact, not of belief and desire on your part for it to be something quite diffferent.

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Recon….. too “patriotic” for facts. [Borrowed from the Daily Show]

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LOL Byteme: Unfortunately this fat boy is on a diet so I had to settle for all I can eat salad with none of the good stuff (cheese, bacon ect) and no dressing………….

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yaker

It was a good speech as far as delivery; however, all that is negated by outright lies and half truths…

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Don’t let a speech divide the Progressives.
They all do that.

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Obama – Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
Romney – Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
Ryan – Gungrabber (Voted for MANDATORY GUNSHOW background check)
Dr. Paul – Second Amendment – Introduced legislation to repeal the “Brady Bill” and “Assault Weapons Ban.”

Obama – Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
Romney – Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
Ryan – Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
Dr. Paul – Free-market healthcare

Obama – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Romney – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Ryan – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Dr. Paul – Strict Constitutionalist

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Recon – “Unnecessary crises over debt. Good grief Jay where did you get this cut and paste?”

Here Recon, facts and reading are your friend. You’ll notice the BOTH parties are mentioned.

From the S&P:

“The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year’s wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.”

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Good article.

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LOL Byteme: Unfortunately this fat boy is on a diet so I had to settle for all I can eat salad with none of the good stuff (cheese, bacon ect) and no dressing………….

I actually meant her

You would eat there for that instead of going to Publix to get a bag o’ greens?

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It just sounds like Recon is butthurt and in complete denial.

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Mitt Romney, A great American…

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney-party-yacht-flies-cayman-islands-flag/story?id=17105028

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Johnny Reb
As for me, I’ll continue my bigot ways.
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Old news dude, old news.

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You made sexual advances to me, Jay, Del, and Doomy.

Bow chicka wow wow!!!!

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Holy crap, Granny Godzilla! Thanks for posting the link to the Fox article! After reading that, I am speechless. What is this world coming to–when a writer for Fox actually tells the truth? I didn’t think I’d live to see the day. Could it be that the lies being told by Robme/Lyin are so big, so bold, and so fact-checkable, that even Fox is backing away?

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Oh well the libs on here can’t seem to grasp the relationship between raising the debt ceiling and debt. Must be that lack comprehension capability that keeps them in their world of delusion.

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Oh well the libs on here can’t seem to grasp the relationship between raising the debt ceiling and debt. Must be that lack comprehension capability that keeps them in their world of delusion.

And you lied and got called out and now refuse to admit your mistake. Buck up, soldier!!

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The FOX News domain’s token liberal on the mendacity and dishonesty of the Paul Ryan speech:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

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Ok, this has been entertaining, but too distracting for coding, so I’m off to earn a living. Maybe back for the next thread.

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Recon — “Joe, if drinking the Kool-Aid makes you happy it’s okay by me.”

Punkin, you’ve got a PUNCHBOWL full of it in your gut.

Once again, what we’re telling you is simply a matter of historical fact, and refusing to believe it won’t make it go away. I wish my grandpa was still alive, but imagining that he is and wishing for it won’t change reality.

You are going to have a hard time reconciling reality with your fantasy once early November rolls around.

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“Here Recon, facts and reading are your friend. You’ll notice the BOTH parties are mentioned.”

Butch, and your point is?

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Joe Hussein Mama – “Once again, what we’re telling you is simply a matter of historical fact, and refusing to believe it won’t make it go away.”

What do do you think the odds are that Recon actually read the direct quote I posted from the S&P?

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Has the peanut thrower been outed yet? GOP would never admit it, but that is what they really believe. Just like when Akin let the abortion cat out of the bag by accident.

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For those (like me) who didn’t see the speech here it is (feel free to steal the link if you want to post it above Jay):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcE1v_Y2hvA

As I’m watching I’m doing something I have never done before. I’m scanning the crowd for Black faces. So far I haven’t seen any. Hispanic and Asian faces are harder to see butI haven’t seen any of those yet either.

Clay Aiken tweeted last night that he was playing a drinking game. Anytime they saw a Black face at the convention they had to drink. He signed it #soberasamormon. I guess he didn’t get to drink much. Of course Big Rich called him a racist for pointing out there were no Blacks at the convention………

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and tonight..Newt. Pathetic
in desperation.

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Yea Jay, All Bush’s fault…..But your man has had almost four years , armed with a boat load of promises,,,,,,and done little. He likes to blame congress, but gets a brain fart when he forgets to tell us all he had 2 years of control of both houses and political wind at his back… and basically did not nothing but seize 1/6 of the economy with Obamacare, a program that needed tweaking, not overhauling and government take over. The guy is a speech maker, nothing else. He has not the understanding of a free market society ( you didn’t build that) and frankly, not interested in what the private sector can do, it’s what’s he ( gov’t) can do. He’ll tell us that the only thing holding us back is the damn greedy rich people don’t pay enough taxes. He’s a loser Jay…..And most of your regulars on here are also. America may wake up. Let’s Pray they do.

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This is what happens when you put Kenyans in charge of the health care system.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Man+128+too+old+for+NHIF+computers+/-/1056/1487718/-/kdckfyz/-/index.html

The dims only hope in the Veep debate is that Plugs goes to the wrong city.

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So Clay Aiken had 2 drinks? 1 each for Rice & Cain.

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Recon — “Joe, I’ll mark your comment on my calendar and remind you of it in early November.”

I’ve been saying this for over a year and I’ll say it again. 2012 is going to be 2004 with the parties reversed. The GOP is going to lose.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

“You still have time to plan your underground escape or what new blog handle you can use between now and then.”

Sorry, Recon. I’m a better man than that, but we shall certainly have the opportunity to see what kind of man *you* are once November rolls around.

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Thulsa Doom- pompous ass extraordinaire

August 30th, 2012
9:40 am

“You made sexual advances to me, Jay, Del, and Doomy.”

Don’t know bout Jay or Del but Doomy just tightened his cheeks.
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LOL Doomy, you KNOW you would have told him you don’t swing that way but if he wanted to buy you an expensive dinner and drinks you could meet for that, but only in a PUBLIC place.

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Ah, the rhetoric is really turned up today! Almost up to 11!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY

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Leftists are squirming today, as Mr. Ryan gave them a sample of what is to come.

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@mm

August 30th, 2012
9:12 am
Ryan’s nose should be 2 feet long after that speech.

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Sometimes they just make stuff up.

Paul Ryan put down his CALCULATOR and picked up his bullhorn.

Talking loud and saying nothing.

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“failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.”

Come on now. That’s a bunch of horse manure. The S & P may give that as a reason in order to appear non-partisan but we’ve been arguing about the debt and deficits for years. They didn’t downgrade the debt cause some folks were arguing about it. They downgraded it because it was getting out of hand and used the excuse that it was about partisan wrangling so as to not take sides. If I remember correctly I think the administration had also leveled not so thinly veiled threats against the rating agencies in the wake of the housing fiasco and the ratings of all those wall street instruments that turned out to be junk.

“Surely the chairman of the House Budget Committee, where all spending bills originate, must have played some tiny role in that process, did he not?”

Well this is kinda breathtaking. On the one hand you criticize Ryan and the Repubs for forcing the debt issue in order to get the Dems to start taking debt reduction seriously. Then you turn around and criticize him for being part of the spending spree that you just criticized him for trying to stop. Geez.

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Jay Bookman writes: “For example, it was interesting to watch Ryan bewail the fact that this country’s credit rating had been downgraded, failing to mention that it was downgraded because he and his fellow Republicans conspired to create an artificial and completely unnecessary crisis over the debt ceiling. It went oddly unmentioned.
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While that’s the narrative the Dmeocrats and their dishonest msm lackeys have created, it’s not the reason why the credit rating was downgraded. The downgrade was because Obama and Congress failed to agree to a fiscal plan that S&P felt would stabilize the government’s medium-term debt dynamics.

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BREAKING NEWS………………..Ryan was using a Teleprompter…………………..

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Looks like Jay has inherited the “blame” game from King Obama. I wouldn’t have expected anymore from him. Its ok when the democrats who control the Senate blocks legislation passed by the House. Its ok when the President himself calls together a group of Republicans and Democrats and says basically that things will be done his way because after all “I won” . . . oh the web that Jay continues to weave.

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It amazes me that the entire focus of the right is on government borrowed money, they have not kept a similar watch on private sector borrowing money during the Bush administration. A sign similar to the one so Newt Gingrichishly displayed in this Moose Club convention should have had a similar sign during the Bush years that showed the private debt of the American people and corporations.

The debt gave the American people a false impression of their net worth. It was money spent that was not made and the Bush administration let it be their car in every garage, their turkey in every oven. The GOP Enron gave its employees the false impression they were employed at over the qualification salaries they were receiving. I remember Ebbers at MCI having a 600 million dollar personal line of credit with Bank of America and more from his own company. As Obama says these people did not do this by themselves they did it with the help of the private sector, which then reported this easy money as profits giving a false impression of the success of the company, then bringing the price of its stock up above any real premium value. This is where the country went bust and it would have stopped there but one of Bush’s last moves was to bail these banks out endorsing their stupidity or clever greed. Why would you do something like that? They were partners, making a false statement about the condition of this country, one making huge money the other looking like a genius politician with a false economic plan that was really cooking the books. What we see now in this economy is probably what the Bush years would have looked like if he had been honest. And now they want to bring the same people back to fake some more prosperity. That is what puts Obama at a disadvantage, he is trying to win without steroids and put real prosperity on the books something that has not been tried for several years.

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Whatever the outcome of election 2012 let us pray that we have divided government going forward.

The United States should never again allow one party rule like we had with the six year Bush rubber stamp Congress. Their arrogance and tone-deafness still resonates.

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The bottomline is Obama has not led!! He has failed as a President. He has never been in it for this country but in it for himself!! And, he continues to be in it for himself. He will do anything to get re-elected — ANYTHING!

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@ragnar danneskjold

August 30th, 2012
9:48 am
Leftists are squirming today, as Mr. Ryan gave them a sample of what is to come.

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He gave a sample of the lies and false statements to come.

As Christians, we shouldn’t fill our lives with deceit.

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“You don’t want to see me in a pair of speedos. It would make the women run for cover”
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Are you the dude walking down the beach in that Southern Comfort commercial?

http://www.funnycommercialsworld.com/southern-comfort-commercial-beach-9249.html

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He will do anything to get re-elected — ANYTHING!

So vote for flip,flop Mitt…he will do anything to get elected…ANYTHING!

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“I think the GOP has followed Alice through the looking glass…and Ol’ Mitt is the white rabbit”

Someone has been eating Magic Mushrooms this morning…

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ragnar – “Leftists are squirming today, as Mr. Ryan gave them a sample of what is to come.”

So are the independents. After watching that work of fiction, it’s clear that this country is truly screwed no matter who wins the election.

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Welcome to the oc –

you seriously believe 4 more years of Obama will be good for this country? What gives you such undying loyalty to this man? What has he accomplished that you are so proud of? What great feet of leadership can you recall? Give me his top resume bullets, please.

I have a different theory – you and many like you are captivated by his words and are blind to his lack of real action on the important issues. he’s a great politician, great at stirring up a crowd, great at getting elected, but as a leader, as a president, he’s simply no good.

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Chantiqua: “The United States should never again allow one party rule like we had with the six year Bush rubber stamp Congress”

Why conclude that when one of our parties, the Democrats, is already a de facto conservative party that builds compromise with the hard right into its ever action (see Jay above on the stimulus, for ex.)?

What we need, on the contrary, is one party rule by a radically different kind of party altogether, one that will remake the entire political narrative.

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“He will do anything to get re-elected — ANYTHING!”

holy moly … you haven’t looked at Mittens’s track record, have you …

he’s taken pretty much every position on every issue possible, depending on his audience.

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Simple question: What has Obama accomplished?
I’ll give you a freebie, he ended the war in Iraq, what else?

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“today’s Bloomberg Consumer Comfort index sub-data has a rather nasty surprise in its tail. Those earning over $100k, the highest bracket interviewed in their survey, saw their ‘comfort’ plunge to its lowest of the year – massively diverging from the incessant rise in equity markets (and its supposed ‘wealth effect’ transmission channel).”
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Times is bad.
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Let’s compromise on a booze,tobacco , and gas tax.
C’ming soon.

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different name: “you seriously believe 4 more years of Obama will be good for this country? What gives you such undying loyalty to this man?”

If you think that that is my position then you obviously haven’t seen very many of my posts. I am NO fan of Barack Obama – to put it mildly.

“you and many like you are captivated by his words”

Again, you have the wrong person. I have NEVER been captivated by his “words”, which I have always been highly skeptical of. His words are to my mind simplistic bromides about the basic wisdom of the current system and of the need to be patient in order to rid our political system of its incivility and hyperpartisanship (completely the wrong things to focus on, in my view).

In other words, he is essentially conservative, which I oppose ferociously.

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Summary of the topic:

Democrats can blame Bush for everything. Republicans aren’t allowed to blame Obama for anything.

There. I just saved everyone 5 minutes.

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GOP prefers to use notes written on hand over a teleprompter.

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Too pathetic to witness I’ll take a break and check back later to see if our left wing friends have better control of their emotions

Translation: Running away while calling it a victory.

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Recon — “I might remind y’all that there’s more Republican speeches this evening, so some of you might be better off just going to bed early and avoiding the convention.”

What, are you kidding? It’s funnier than reruns of News Radio.

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What’s bad news for Obama is that 75-80% of Americans vote for cause and effect. Example, you’re black, you vote for the black guy. You’re Gay, you vote for someone who supports YOUR issue. So if you are trying to survive in an Obama economy, High unemployment, $4 gas, etc, you vote cause and effect. It’s caused by Obama ( fair or not, but it’s his show) and it’s effecting you. So, the guy in the office is the blame ( see George W.). And when all you hear is, it’s not my fault and God, anybody but the other guy as your battle cry, you lose. Hello President Romney.

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ZoSo: “Does this “radically different kind of party” have a name or a philosopy that we could all recognize?”

No

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I voted for Obama b/c I thought it would inspire hope in minorities and we could get past wasting our energies trying so hard just to get along as a country, and work on some tough issues. But guess what happened instead? His election opened up the floodgates of the entitlements and the ‘where’s my Obama check’ mentality. it did the exact opposite of what I thought it would do.

I think back to an old episode of Good Times, where Florida stresses over how they will come up with some money to pay a bill or face going on welfare. They were too proud for welfar and looked at it like a sign of defeat. Our country looks at entitlements as a god given right, a perk even, the more you can bilk out of the system the better. It’s what poor people do, ask them, I know lots of them. They don’t even see the harm, it f you can get a check, get a check.

How does one have an intelligent debate with people like this? They have zero long term or strategic thinking and are incapable of seeing beyond their next check. My only hope is that people of this mind set do not vote or raise offspring to follow in their footsteps. God help us all.

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Breaking news…RNC says tonight one half of all male members will be wearing black face. As one RNC supporter put it “We want to represent those other folks, out there”.

Also one quarter of all female supporters will be wearing serapes…

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His election opened up the floodgates of the entitlements and the ‘where’s my Obama check’ mentality. it did the exact opposite of what I thought it would do.

Oh do do tell us how them floodgates were opened and what new entitlements Obama created…..

Are you meeting them poor people while standing in line at the Whole Foods?

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So according to the Ghost, All old white folks (except me) will vote for Ol’ Mitt, while all Blacks, Gays, Hispanics, young folk and most women will vote for President Obama…Personally, I like his odds…

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” If a married couple carries a 5k visa balance and the husband and wife are arguing about how much to pay down on the credit card does their credit get dinged because they are arguing about how much to pay on it? No. Equifax could give a flip about that. They care only about ability to pay.”

oh, FFS … READ THE FLIPPING STATEMENT.

I don’t care WHAT goes on in the little make-believe world in your head … in the REAL world, that’s EXACTLY What S&P did.

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All I am hearing is the other guy sucks, the other guy sucks, his record suck, he flip flops, Obama’s our man, Obama’s our man.

Were all you Obama supporteres in this country the last 4 years, why in the owrld would you re-elect this guy? Please convince me of HIS merrits, not how much you hate the GOP rivals. Please convince me.

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“Oblama has received zero votes(DemocRat nor Repuglican) for every single budget he’s put forward.”–Joseph

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\Sorry Joseph, but this needs to be repeated for the Leftwing drones./\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

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Well even the Governor of Arizona endorsed Obama…….. Great stuff !!!!!!!

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@Ivan

August 30th, 2012
10:06 am
Summary of the topic:

Democrats can blame Bush for everything. Republicans aren’t allowed to blame Obama for anything.

There. I just saved everyone 5 minutes.

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Democrats blame?

Republicans lie?

Blame = Assign responsibility for a fault or wrong

Telling a lie = A false statement deliberately presented as being true;

a falsehood. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

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stiffie. perhaps you were out of the country while the last GOP president was running things ?

Don’t want to go back to that……. perhaps you like WAR ?

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Jay,

You are spot on about Ryan’s musings last evening.

We can truly never be sure about what is true about any numbers regarding deficit, medicare, et al because the truth is likely somewhere in the middle IMO…

The deficit is any elected officials fault as we all know we are not their primary interests.

The lie about GM plant closing is laughable to be sure. The lies will continue next week as well…I’m seeing that DEMs are beginning to pull the race card more often at this time….that’s scary and possibly suggests desperation since they know they will get outspent so the odds are against second term for Obama..

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Wobble said,

“Our country looks at entitlements as a god given right, a perk even, the more you can bilk out of the system the better. It’s what poor people do, ask them, I know lots of them”

So, you hang out with a bunch of poor people who continually tell you how they enjoy “bilking the system”?

THAT doesn’t sound suspicious…

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It’s not his fault, it’s not his fault, that’s all I’m hearing.

He’s the man, the big enchilada, the boss, the top dog, the leader of the free world, the prez of the most powerful country in the world, the A#1, the MVP…….but…..but…….all the bad results of the government which he runs are…….not his fault?

Who would want such a weak , uneffective leader as their president? What a bunch of suckers

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Seriously, USinUK, you dont really believe that a poster who calls himself a pompous ass and repeatedly makes over the top claims and then waits to see if others are going to call him on it while he claims to be “just kidding”, “toying with you” or other disingenious responses is going to acknowledge the truth.

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As I have said before, if the GOP nomimated Jessus Christ himself, you liberals would reject the nomination and demonize Christ for being too religious.

Paul Ryan’s background, credentials, and character stands on its own. Your choice of nomimation is in stark difference to Ryan. My God, you people cannot even defend Obama’s background, credentials, or character, let alone his presidentail record.

It’s just more of the same. Old trumpets of disdain, distraction, and diversion. You’ve got nothing. You’ve got frustration. You’ve only got loony tune Bookmans to lead your charge.

Check out the rest of your biased bunch of media goons doing your bidding. Ron Fournier (National Journal)”Blacks wouldn’t have to work under Romney”. Low class misrepresentation. By the way…he and his Democrat friends created Fact Checkers (phoney fact checkers)that Bookman gets his info from. John Harris (Politico) who is married to the former head of NARAL in Virginia. Andy Barr of Politico left Politico to work for the DNC. Johnathan Allen of Politico once worked for Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Yahoo just fired news Washington Bureau Chief, David Chalain, for talking on a live mic he didn’t know was live that “Romney had no problem partying while black people drowned”.

The point is that Bookman’s essay this morning is just another pointless condemnation and attack like the rest of his media associates who hate Republicans.

Do we need another 4 years of 8.3% unemployment, debt in the statosphere of trillions, no budgets, economic paralysis, global humiliation, reduced credit rating, Obamcare that will further gut our treasury, a bloated government, a government run by criminals, tax cheats, union thugs, and left wing freaks. RIGHT!

You people have run out of runway trying to land this crap agenda you attempted to put into motion four years ago.

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“And for the record if anyone out there believes that the debt itself had little to do with the downgrade then I suppose they are living in a state of suspended disbelief.”–TD

You forget that all of these Leftwing nutjobs live most of their days on the Jay’s “perception of reality” BLOG.

They simply can’t think for themselves or learn to be self reliant; they need someone else(guvmint) to take care of them.

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And for fun…. you have got to see the Colbert Show Star Wars opening from last night..

Christie the Hutt.

http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/wed-august-29-2012-jennifer-burns

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“Who’s paying Ms. Flukes expenses.”

JOHN(s)

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Come on Republicans – Let’s add Bush and Cheny as guest speakers tonight.

We will had Clinton and Gore at ours, oh you don’t want to play that game………………….no fair or should I say Fair and balanced

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GOP would never nominate “Jessus” Christ. His redistribution of fish to the masses would label him a socialist.

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Seems like the GOP voters are good with ” Gordon Gekko ” and Charlie Sheen running for President !

Makes sense since the last GOP presidential pair quoted… Mission Accomplished…….and the most famous…… DEFICITS DON’T MATTER …….

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classy, grunt.

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Riveting Oscar. Writing it down now.

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USMC . why don’t you tell us how many time Bush pushed though a new debt ceiling ?

Thank you !

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“This sucker may go down”

“Your doing a heck of a job Brownie”

We are not going back!

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The idea that the DEMS will have a law student with debt to the hilt speak at convention speaks volumes…perhaps she should disclose her personal sexual resume…:-)

Perhaps they wanted filler to limit Bidens time and thus minimize exposure to more idiotic banter…??

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I thought we were ALMOST…almost pass this:

Two Republican National Convention attendees began throwing nuts

at a BLACK CNN Camera person and saying, “This is how we feed animals.”

And the Republicans say they are the party of INCLUSION.

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Tom………………..who said this…………..Pass the stimulus and the unemployment rate will not exceed 8% and it will cut the deficit………………you mean THAT kind of lie.

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Go ahead. Make my day.

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Has anyone noticed how the media has downplayed the $4 per gallon for regular gasoline???

When Bush was Pres., It was Bush and his rich, white Oil buddies price GOUGING. LOL!

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Byte me, didn’t Obama say he would close GITMO within a year of being in office ?

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Peter

August 30th, 2012
10:33 am
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He hopes voters have short memories. He didn’t count on the fact that there are people that write things down, and there will be reminders of what he said and did before.

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OK, checked back and still I’m hearing nobody stand up for Obamas accomplishments, just more GOP bashing, is that all you got…nothing, nada, zip, ziltch to defend Obama and what good he has done as our leader? I’m listening, and all I here are cricketts, that’s what I thought.

Please don’t vote or reproduce

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USMC,

I learned an interesting thingy about oil and efficiency of oil companies….30 years ago plus, there was a 10-1 ratio of barrel price and gas price…ie when barrel price was $1..gas was .10 a gallon and so on…..if that same ratio applied today, at current barrel price of $95, we’d otherwise be paying $9.50 a gallon..factoid that gets lost amongst the pitiful energy policy of pushing energy at 13-17 cents per kilowat to .2 cents for oil….

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Doom — “So the administration’s usual bullying tactics had no play in S&P’s reasoning for downgrading our debt? It would strain credulity to believe it didn’t.”

Maybe so, but it goes against the *publicly stated8 reasons that the rating agencies gave. Again, if you’ve got some evidence for your speculation, I’m certainly open to seeing it.

“However, it appears to me that it was the prudent thing to do, and had S&P not lowered the credit rating, one could charge them with dereliction of duty.”

One wishes they hadn’t been so derelict in the rating of MBSs and CDOs.

“The Obama Administration seemed to be using intimidation tactics in the media, going after the reputation of S&P as the Administration was attempting to defend themselves. It seems rather unfortunate that the US Treasury Secretary and the Obama Administration would use such tactics, and throw this debt rating downgrade into the media as a political football.”

Again, AFAICS, you’re speculating. But I’m still open to seeing evidence if you have any.

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“OK, checked back and still I’m hearing nobody stand up for Obamas accomplishments, just more GOP bashing, is that all you got…nothing, nada, zip, ziltch to defend Obama and what good he has done as our leader? I’m listening, and all I here are cricketts, that’s what I thought.
Please don’t vote or reproduce”–Where’s the response

Don’t you know…. DemocRats LIE better than Repuglicans tell the truth!

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“Byte me, didn’t Obama say he would close GITMO within a year of being in office ?”

he tried to

Congress said no.

what do you want him to do, override Congress and act like the tyrant you accuse him of being???

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Some points: When you threaten not to pay your debts, your creditors get nervous. It’s not the amount, it’s the threat not to pay.

And about poor Ms. Fluke – I still don’t understand why people are upset because she thinks birth control should be covered by insurance. Is it a religious belief that NOBODY should be able to use birth control, or just what?

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Doom — “Uh. Yes. I did read them.”

Good. Then you know I’m right.

“So are you opining as Jay did also that the main reason for the debt downgrade was due to the arguing?”

Yes. And since that’s why the CRAs *said* they were doing it, I don’t see where you’re getting this other notion.

“Or do you think the actual debt itself may of had something to do with it? For example on the link I just posted S&P went back and forth over what the O administration said was questionable accounting regarding 2 trillion dollars. They were going back and forth about the debt itself- not the arguing that was going on between Ds and Rs.”

No, they were *clearly* speaking to the intransigence and arguing, and they *said so* in their public announcement.

“And for the record if anyone out there believes that the debt itself had little to do with the downgrade then I suppose they are living in a state of suspended disbelief.”

You’re speculating, Doom. There may well be something to what you say, but it’s no more supported by facts than my wife’s scenario about Reid, Romney and the Mormon money angle.

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USMC said, ““Who’s paying Ms. Flukes expenses.”

JOHN(s) ”

Sir, that is unworthy of a gentleman, and of a serviceman. What fills you with such hatred toward a woman I doubt you’ve even met? You disgrace yourself.

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@USMC

August 30th, 2012
10:41 am
Don’t you know…. DemocRats LIE better than Repuglicans tell the truth!

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If republicans stop telling lies about the democrats,

democrats will stop telling the truth about them.

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“Sir, that is unworthy of a gentleman, and of a serviceman”

considering he’s neither …

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Rag – HA!

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Whewre — “OK, checked back and still I’m hearing nobody stand up for Obamas accomplishments”

That’s because the regulars here generally don’t bother to respond substantively to drive-by trolls.

If you want a substantive response, then either become a regular or have something worth saying — not partisan drive-by bulldada.

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Will the Republican’s tell us when .. Deficits matter please ?

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we’re not gonna take it…..

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Oscar. ……..Do you remember when Bush came out and lowered the requirement for fuel economy in a vehicle ?

How about the tax break you got when you purchased a gas guzzling SUV ???????

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If you sit down and take issues one by one they would most likely think to themselves. “I’ll be damned”! “I’m a Republican”!
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I wonder what they added to her kool-aide?

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By the way, when you talk about “two wars, one necessary but badly led, the other a tragic misadventure,” I cannot help but wonder, huh? Both wars were and are tragic misadventures. Both wars were and are badly led. Both wars were and are morally wrong, and sadly, a total waste of human life, the lives of our troops and the the lives of the people of these two countries. Our national security was never threatened by these countries. The plotters and executors of 9-11 came from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (Osama Bin Laden’s home). Maybe you can explain why either war was necessary. Please be my guest. But for me and I think many people here and around the world, these two wars were and still are nothing but war for war’s sake, one more flimsy excuse to further enrich the arms manufacturers at incomprehensible cost in human life, injury, and destruction for all those directly involved. Billions in welfare for the defense contractors? – Great! Any type of welfare for the truly poor in America? – Outrageous! Socialism! No way!

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Joseph not true. If you buy the Republican explanation like you bought George sr’s read my lips or Palins all hat and no cattle speech you are a Republican. If you look for yourself what they really are and not what they and your friends tell you they are you will vote Democrat or you need to worry more about your own moral compass and less about others.

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Oh yes, and my ashes will be flowing in the wind.

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Mine will be much soon than that. so I won’t be around to see that I am proven wrong.

And there is always hope.

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Ghost

A lie means knowing better than what you say AT THE PRECISE MOMENT YOU’RE SAYING IT. And that, ghost, is the difference between a lie and an honest mistake.

And besides, since we give our presidents 6 months to a year to get their policies in place and working, President Obama has been adding jobs to our economy for the last 29 months from the time his got in place.

Everything else that came before – the crash of the economy and all the jobs lost – were straight up Republican caused with George W. Bush, and if you try to tell me it wasn’t their fault, well, that would be the perfect example of a lie! Got it now, ghost?

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Donovan

August 30th, 2012
10:26 am

Questtion: What about Kevin Phillips, the architect of the “Southern Strategy” for the GOP who came out and said: “Black people have no place in the GOP”; has that not been made evident by the numbers? There were only 32 black delegates to the 2008 Convention….only 2 on the platform committee!!

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Bottom line, Obama will not do anything to improve our economy and lessen unemployment…because he has no idea how to do it. Romney, who has successfully run businesses his entire life knows how to do this and will do this. Ryan, is the numbers/math guy who can apply our revenue to lessen the 16 trillion dollar debt we face. Obama will just add another 5-10 trillion in another term.

The choice is clear. All the other issues are just a distraction for the real problems we face as a nation. Vote Romney in Nov.

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“Everything else that came before – the crash of the economy and all the jobs lost – were straight up Republican caused with George W. Bush, and if you try to tell me it wasn’t their fault, well, that would be the perfect example of a lie! Got it now, ghost?”

This is called an opinion, not fact. Got it Tom???????????????

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yes, I plan to get a Kindle … just waiting for 4G here in the UK)

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I have a Kindle. Really like it. Highly recommend that you get one.

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I am really looking to the Romney speech tonight and hearing tomorrow how much he resembles the guys on the Viagra and Cialis commercials.

His future career will be following in the footsteps of Bob Dole.

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Romney, who has successfully run businesses his entire life knows how to do this and will do this (improve the economy and lessen unemployment).

Hysterical.

How many decades are the faux conservatives gonna fall for this??

I do think that Flip will create a lot more American jobs though.

In Bangalore, Mumbai, Delhi and Singapore, where he has much previous success in doing that very thing…

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“AynRyan speech summarized in 4 words – “Let em eat cake”

No, it was actually 5 words – “Let them eat crab cakes”

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The Big Lie as a propaganda technique: (quoted from Wikipedia article)

“The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler’s psychological profile:[5][6]
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[7]“

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joe, your belief that Romney knows how to run a business and that this is what is needed in a leader is kind of touching, but completely misguided.

What exactly do you think Romney’s business “success” consists of? Who was it successful FOR? Do you realize that his “success” consisted of funneling vast sums into the pockets of Mr. Romney and his associated usually at the expense of workers, and on the basis of very dodgy tax schemes? Besides, even if we grant that Romney has a certain business acumen, what in the world does that have to do with leading a country?

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Maybe someone can explain to me why when the Dems and the Repubs can’t come to an agreement it is the Repubs that won’t compromise. Isn’t it equally incumbant on the Dems to compromise? And why is it that historically when they do compromise it seems like the Dems get to spend on what they want and the Repubs get to spend on what they want. The taxpayers never seem to be represented in these wonderful compromises over the past 50 years.

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who has successfully run businesses his entire life”

He didn’t run businessess. He bought them, loaded them with debt, took out the cash, sold them into bankruptcy. There are other words for that than “running a business.”

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Granny; just got on this blog today for a half-second and read the FoxNews article…perfect! Thanks for posting!

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I also remember seeing all those Hummers on the streets. Don’t remember seeing a any lately.

Of course…….. all the poor folks turned those in now !

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ANGRYFROMARS,

Amen….the only bi-partisan activities and DC are disrespect for our money, spending 30% or more of time raising money, and allowing cash providing special interests to control the total agenda…also to be the master of the obvious…they don’t give a flip about any of us..

Other than that, all is well.

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“you realize that his “success” consisted of funneling vast sums into the pockets of Mr. Romney and his associated usually at the expense of workers, and on the basis of very dodgy tax schemes?

word

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Ocsar…… Do you remember the Energy for America meeting in Texas amongst all the Billionaire Oil and energy guys including ENRON ?

Of course that was a meeting deciding the course of American Energy for the future…Only no everyday American’s knew what it was about……cause we were never told….but hey California got Bilked….those GOP good guys !

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Doggone/GA.

So what percentage did Gordon Gekko…….. “Romey” not load with debt and then bankrupt ?

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Time out… to say I hope Getalife is okay down in Loosiana!

Getalife, if you need a place to stay in the ATL, you can bunk at my house until the storm passes by.

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Oscar …….. The GOP want to raise Military spending and go to WAR !

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USMC:

getalife don’t wanna be no Marine ……………

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“And Biden’s handlers are wondering this morning how in the heck are we going to keep him from being obliterated during debates with Ryan.”

Well for starters, new hair plugs and re-bleach the teephus!

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Peter,

The claims of Romney as a vulture capitalist and gutting any number of companies is simply a political ruse to assign victimhood to whatever is the middle class.

Bain’s record of bankrupcies to total investments is on line with average business failures…this guy from the steel company who desparately attempts without success to legitimately link his wives death to plant shutdown is merely a puppet without factual connection.
In fact, Bain likely kept the company going a few years longer than it should otherwise…investors probably took a bath on that aspect of that particular fund.

Sure he’s got piles of money but demonizing that class of folks is nothing but a distraction….similar to some of the crap suggested by the GOP.

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PETER,

Seems to me that the prior chief of staff (I may have the names wrong) suggested 20% or more of the DOD budget could be cut without risk…the new guy panetta seems to suggest the opposite..

We all know the DOD can withstand a 20-25% cut…unfortunately, both sides are totally influenced by defense contractors cash..

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am…

So no mention of the $40 million dollars Bain added to the books for commissions ?

Gee why not ?

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A little Economics 101 for the private sector challenged Jay and his lemmings. The U.S. was downgraded because we are $15,000,000,000,000+ in debt – not because of the so called debt ceiling crisis. Downgrades are rated on a countries likely chance to repay the debt and it’s lack of collateral. We have NO collateral other than the millions of acres of land owned by the Fed government but will never be sold because #1) environmental wackos lock on the Dems and #2) the damage it would do to the current real estate depression by flooding the market with even more product to sell. The lack of confidence by Moodys, A.M. Best Weiss Research, etc. that Obama and Congress will restrain their run away spending and reduce the debt is very unlikely based on past history. They also know Obama Care is a huge Ponzi scheme that will be the final straw to bankrupting America. That is why our bonds were downgraded.

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getalife

I assume the worst of the storm has passed and you and yours are doing well.

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The national debt is now the private debt turned into government debt by bailing out the banks. When we bail out the banks we paid off all the bad decision of our private sector to over buy houses, unpaid credit cards, we picked up that entire debt. Not only are we bailing out the banks we are bailing out the companies that received money from those bad loans. They sold product to the homeless and poor took their money and were never liable, they created a market where there was no market in America, this money shifted to the rich as booked profit was kept by the rich and paid for eventually by the government bailing out the banks. It is a Ponzi scheme participated in by the Bush administration and laid off on the Obama administration by current Republicans.

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Where’s Waldo? D D R missing in action. Miss those bitter little jabs, I do.

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It foolish to think Ryan can even be in the same zip code as Biden, the young like will be exposed.

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USMC

That was a pretty cool gesture that you extended to getalife.

My hats off to you

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“Morality” — “A little Economics 101 for the private sector challenged Jay and his lemmings. The U.S. was downgraded because we are $15,000,000,000,000+ in debt – not because of the so called debt ceiling crisis.”

A little History 101 for the factually-challenged. The credit rating agencies SPECIFICALLY STATED that their downgrade actions were NOT taken due to the amount of debt, but because they doubted that Congress and the President were capable of continuing to service the debt in an efficient and timely manner — SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they were arguing over an increase in the debt ceiling.

The credit rating agencies agree with us, not you. And I suspect they’re more in tune with economic matters than you are.

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getalife — “Storm is gone and all we got was a bunch of limbs to clean up.”

Don’t forget to check in on nearby friends and family and make sure they’re okay.

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“Don’t forget to check in on nearby friends and family and make sure they’re okay.”

Yes, MOTHER GOOSE!

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Dead brain zombies for Obama don’t really think much because they are dead brained and eligible for gub’ment disability. Trying to explain economics and how the private works and how the Fed gub’ment can’t actually create jobs in the private sector to them is like to teach common sense to the insane.

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Trying to explain economics and how the private works and how the Fed gub’ment can’t actually create jobs in the private sector to them is like to teach common sense to the insane.

Im not sure that is considered English.

Either way enjoy boys.

This is the high water mark for the Romney/Ryan ticket

Its all downhill from here.

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It matters where you are going. The crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric who we are.”

Funny stuff fro Rice…. all brought to you by the GOP party who cut funding to education and the Boys and Girls Clubs of America !

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Well said, Jay. For what it’s worth, I actually have a good number of friends who are Republicans or independents, and my own gut read of their reaction so far is that they have been underwhelmed by the Republican Convention. My gut reactions are usually quite accurate and this bodes well for the President.

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USMC,

LSU is #1 and it is payback time for Bama.

“Don’t forget to check in on nearby friends and family and make sure they’re okay”

Our town was blessed with minor problems but they are those that lost everything again in the State.

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Newby………. WHAT the GOP will not talk about is how many times the debt ceiling was raised during the Bush administration !

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there.

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Peter,

My bad..

Bain did indeed saddle this company with debt and reaped impressive profits….the original investment was between 8 and 24 million depending on who you asked and they clearly made less than typical profit…the fees i’m finding were closer to $4.5 million but they also made total return of between 12 and 18 million..hard to get the actual numbers but I concede my contempt prior to investigation…

Still most of PE and Venture deals, especially in Bains case, a very small percentage of total dealflow, were more favorable in terms of outcomes for workers et al..

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Lyin Ryan.

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Jay – Thanks for your article on Paul Ryan’s speech, I hope you will be FAIR and BALANCED in critiquing Joe Biden and Pres Obama’s speeches at the DNC also. Remember what is good for the goose is good for the glander, whatever that means. Your friend, Tom

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The robme ruin campaign fact checkers are worn out.

Nothing but lies.

I think if you watch the dem convention you will see all the speakers adresss our President’s accomplishments because he does not like to brag.

It will be a more energized and fun convention.

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moonbat betty

Perhaps the most appropriate nom de blog here. Operative word being “moonbat”.

August 30th, 2012
11:09 am
“AynRyan speech summarized in 4 words – “Let em eat cake”

No, it was actually 5 words – “Let them eat crab cakes”

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USMC — “Yes, MOTHER GOOSE!”

By your leave, Father Jackass.

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Just like Pelosi said . . had to pass ObamaCare to know what is in it . . . those who voted for Obama had to elect him to know what he was all about. Talk about the blind leadning the blind!! Now we know . . boot him out!!!

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am…

I am constantly making mistakes …everyday. no issues…….

I equate Ronmey to….. Gordon Gekko……… Thus do not see him adding jobs to America, after he made his money Out sourcing Jobs for corporations…..

I do not see Ryan doing anything but talk, since he voted for everything Bush put in front of him that ran up the original debt…… He was as big of a PORK person as the next guy or woman.

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Joe Hussein Mama . when do deficits matter ?

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Brosephus,

You pledged your undying love for me and asked me to “cybermarry” you! I said yes!!!!!!

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am…

Apparently you have forgotten the ” HOLE ” Bush left America in…. the talk was no recession……..BUT DEPRESSION, and the implosion of the entire banking system at the time.

Thus the bailouts, and the stimulus programs…….

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Peter — “Joe Hussein Mama . when do deficits matter ?”

They *always* matter, contrary to what the previous Vice President would have us believe.

Why do you ask?

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I got an advance copy of the remarks the Fox News commentators will make after tonight’s Romney speech.

“Mitt seemed almost human tonight,” “Mitt really seems to understand the plight of the help,” “Mitt was so Reagan-like in the way he read from the teleprompter,” “Out of the 6 positions he has taken on health care I like the one from tonight the best,” “This speech made me think of Reagan,” Wow, he really hit it out of the park,” “I like how he didn’t mention Bush a single time,” “His remarks on invading Iran sent a tingle down my leg.” “Best speech ever, so Reagan-like.”

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Getalife@11:51 – ” Speaking of all the President’s accomplishments”, is it going to be a 5 minute convention? Where is it to be held, at the Unemployment or Food Stamp offices?

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Stevie Ray – “it just suggests the promises were empty in the first place.”

No one could have predicted the obstruction he has faced.

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Tom,

Do me a favor to finally put that lie to rest.

Google President Obama’s accomplishments and read.

The latest one is new rules for cars and great gas mileage.

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Swami Dave

“It is laughable to see the liberals among us touting a FOXNews “article” that challenges some of Ryan’s speech. The attempt to misrepresent is yet again from LIBERALS who are pointing to an OPINION piece. ”

When that was posted, no one was commenting about the author. The point was that Fox would give time in such a way to such a strongly-worded piece.

sorry it’s not what you wanted it to be.

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Let me take this time to do something I rarely do.

Government did a great job dealing with this storm and had their act together.

The people did not have to wait weeks to get rescued this time and government did not repeat the same mistakes as Katrina..

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S. Ray — “…we and the banks would have been much better served if they simply gave a trillion to homeowners to continue to make mortgage payments…”

I actually suggested something very much like this on another discussion board back in 2008-2009. I thought it might work something like this:

Use the bailout money to ‘buy out’ existing risky mortgages. Require the homebuyers to to take on a new mortgage with new, favorable terms (for example, a longer term). When the buyers eventually sell, the government gets all of the appreciation (if any), but the buyers are shielded from loss (the government absorbs the downside) if they lose money on the house or go bankrupt.

Result: bad mortgages get off banks’ books and they get paid. Homebuyers don’t automatically lose their houses (though some might have anyway in the ensuing job market crash) and are insulated from loss of their investment in the home. The government gets paid back for the mortgages and gets to keep any upside in the investment.

THEN come the investigations and prosecutions of homebuyers and mortgage sellers who fudged numbers and filed false documents. With jail time, please.

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“Morality” — “Doubt if dead brain zombies are knowledgeable of how the world wide market works better than me as I do have a Masters in Finance and have been investing in the market for years.”

I’m able to read what the credit rating agencies actually said, and they agree with me, not you.

And as long as we’re on a qualifications-comparing track this week, I’ll put both my Masters’ degrees up against yours, smart guy. At least I know how to read what the CRAs actually SAID rather than making up some partisan bulldada.

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…as I do have a Masters in Finance and have been investing in the market for years.

I drive for the ELF racing team on the Formula One circuit, and I will also be in the starting 11 when Chelsea takes on Atletico Madrid in the European Super Cup tomorrow in Monaco.

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SHEETS

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It practically lays the blame of their decision on the front step of the Tea Party

too funny- UGA tail back woes are the result of marijuana being grown. A great strategy is to continue to print more US$ and pay no attention to the terms “waste” and “expenses” v. “investment”. Hell- go with you the strategy, drink a lot, change your name to Paula Kregman and you, too, can get a Nobel Prize- I hear the bar is pretty low nowadays.

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Mudder – I only give up on trying to explain the economy and how it works to brain dead zombies for Obama. You can’t teach common sense to the insane and brain dead. It’s like trying to teach someone in Pre -K trigonometry. BDZ’s have a total disconnect from reality. You will not even admit that $15,000,000,000,000 in debt and rising is a problem.

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hiram – Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, I thought his college records were sealed for some reason? I’m sorry, I just thought CO’s should be working in recreation centers not the White House. Do you really need a Law Degree to say BLAME BUSH, hundreds of times?

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Does anybody remeber a man by the name of George W. Bush? It amazes me how the Republicans critisize President Obama about unemployment, and yet they would outsource our jobs to other countries to maximize their own profits. They want to decrease taxes for the wealthy and increase taxes on the middle-class who are, and always have been the backbone of this society. If you want 4 more years of George W. Bush, go right ahead, but don’t complain when you get the tip of the boot in the backside!

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The effects of the Romney Ryan Plan

IF you are elderly, poor, disabled, a child BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID.

IF you are 55 or younger BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID.

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Tom
You’re choice of words reveals that you are a loyal devotee of the fat, sweaty, drug addicted pied piper, and his dictums represent the exent of your political knowledge.

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Jamvet – So when Bush dies and is long gone, are you Dems going to still be saying Blame Bush over and over again?

An infinitely more intelligent and ethical question is will you Bush devotees ever acknowledge the gawd awful, cataclysmic, across the board, epic, serial disasters that he left us to fix?

Of course not!

Thousands of dead GIs, all KIA’d needlessly. Tens of thousands more maimed and broken. Countless American families ruined so the chickenhawks could feel good about themselves.

Trillions of dollars “missing” and wasted in that botched invasion and occupation based on lies, deceit and shameless self-serving Halliburton interests. Using the Us Constitution to wipe his ass. (Ask all of the Republican lawyers in the ABA about it. Or don’t.)

The disgrace of getting the United States of America added to the list of countries that torture. For the first time ever.

Illegal spying on American citizens.

Throwing away the single most sacred American liberty ever devised – habeus corpus.

And then of course there was that itsy bitsy little problem in September 2008. $10,000,000,000,000.00 “disappeared”. Basically overnight. By the sleaziest, most unapologetic criminals in the nation’s long history. Economic devastation and despair not seen in this country in nearly a hundred years. MASSIVE unemployment and underemploymet. RECORD bankruptcies and foreclosures. Entire industries shipped overseas. Rising poverty and fear.

And though, you desperately want to sweep ALL of it under the nearest rug you can find forever, tough t*tties, I will never let you.

And even worse. You are so stubborn and foolish that you Party First, America Second boys are dead set upon trying to get George Willard Bush right back into office so that the horrifically incompetent and immoral neocons can do it all over again.

Ain’t no way in hell.

So own it.

You voted for the (W)orst Ever. Twice.

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Hiram – I am just a regular person, apparently not rocket-science material like Jamvet and yourself! Just a little guy, without a college degree, who served in military and law enforcement for over 40 years. But all my children have college degrees, including two with masters. Guess I grew up in fairly hard times. I earned what I got in life and never wanted the govt to provide for me. Guess I’m not as elequent as you two with words but I’ll learn to live with it!!!!!!

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Tom, if you are new here, this is hard left territory. Facts and proof are scoffed at here daily. The truth when presented is rebuked.

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I’m an independent voter, and I cast a leery eye to the extremes of both sides. I also remain undecided about who to vote for in November. With that said, Paul Ryan is a very attractive, young and, no doubt, energetic voice for the republican party. He is held in relatively high esteem by the conservative movement as a deficit hawk and someone with a grand plan to solve our nation’s fiscal ills. The problem with Mr. Ryan is that when he was sworn into Congress in January 1999, he came into a fiscal surplus. Since Mr. Ryan has been in office, he has voted for the Bush tax cuts without any offsetting spending reductions; he voted for an unfunded ware in Afghanistan; he voted for an unfunded war in Iraq; he voted for an unfunded prescription plan; he voted for TARP. Each of these votes has contributed to most of the deficit we are experiencing today, yet I have not heard Mr. Ryan acknowledge his responsibility for contributing to our current state, nor have I heard any conservative point out Mr. Ryan’s role with the current deficit. Everyone seems to think he has a brilliant plan to fix it. I’m just not convinced. I may end up voting for Romney/Ryan, but I may not either. Are we growing our economy as much as I would like to see now? No! But we are in a better place now then we were four years ago. The stock market is nearly double where it was at its worst; we are growing jobs, meager as it may be, but a hell of a lot better than losing 800,000 jobs a month under Bush. Is that enough for me to vote for Obama? I am still thinking it over. But none of us should idly allow Mr. Ryan to come across as some budget savior. He isn’t!

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Ewrin’s cat

August 30th, 2012
10:11 am

Fred – You obviously don’t know me because I don’t play that racial BS

then why did you look for it in the first place and then feel compelled to report your findings?
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I answered that question in the same post you cherry picked that quote out of.

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It is truly amazing that dems just can’t face facts…..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/fact-check-paul-ryan-convention-address/

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Yo Tom. I’m your huckleberry. I’ll be more than happy to meet up with you and discuss whatever you want to discuss any time you want to discuss it. I was just up in Gwinnett County today. had I known I could have dropped by.

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Fred – Are you Jamvet’s big brother?

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Hi Jay!
Doesn’t Paul Ryan look like Eddie from the Munsters??

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