I didn’t see this at the time — Aug. 19 — because I haven’t watched the Sunday news shows in decades. But on Meet the Press, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed appeared with Ted Cruz, the Tea Party favorite who is now the GOP nominee for Senate in Texas, and conservative columnist Peggy Noonan.
Here’s what happened:
UPDATE: For those unable to view the video, here’s a transcript of the two sections included above. The entire transcript is available here.
MR. REED: I want to push back on this notion of Paul Ryan as a serious man. He b– he voted for every budget b– busting measure under President Bush. He voted for TARP. He asked for money under the American Recovery and Investment Act. He voted for both wars. He put Medicare on a credit card, and then all of a sudden in last 24 months, he’s developing the stature as a serious guy, so I want to push back on that…
GREGORY: Well, so why…
MR. REED: …and then in terms of this week– and then in terms of this week, he has underperformed Sarah Palin. He’s contributed about a one percent bump, and according to Gallup, the Republican pick for Vice President typically performs at about five points.
GREGORY: So should that be– Mr. Cruz, should that be part of the record here? I mean, why is the Tea Party so supportive of a guy who is part of, what the Tea Party thinks, was profligate spending under his predecessor, under– under President Bush?
MR. CRUZ: Look I think the reason is simple. It’s because Paul Ryan has been serious about talking about these issues, about getting serious about solutions. You know, it’s ironic…
GREGORY: But votes– but votes matter.
MR. CRUZ: And– and I don’t– and I don’t agree with all of his votes. But– but…
GREGORY: Do we have…
MR. CRUZ: …let’s be– let’s be clear. Let’s contrast the leadership Paul Ryan
MR. CRUZ: …with President Obama’s lack of leadership. The Senate for three years hasn’t had a budget. And so it’s very difficult for Democrats to complain, how dare the other side actually get serious about fixing these– these problems when they don’t even pretend to fix the problems.
MR. REED: He wasn’t serious under President Bush. Why wasn’t he serious when we were funding the war in Iraq? Why didn’t he say America should pay for the war in Afghanistan? Why didn’t he– why didn’t he say that when we have a TARP program, it needs to be available to folks on Main Street? He was for the automotive bailout.
MR. CRUZ: And, you know, I’m curious, did– did Barack Obama say any of that?
MR. REED: He– he was for that. No, no.
MR. CRUZ: Did the Democrats say any of that?
MR. REED: The Democrats did not. But I tell you what, we’re not walking around talking about a guy who has a career doing something completely different. He has a budget that doesn’t balance, and he’s– he claims that he’s a budget balancer. He’s using supply-side economics. They have a 20 percent tax policy that’s a five-trillion-dollar tax cut.
MR. CRUZ: And I agree with you.
MR. REED: That doesn’t make any sense.
MR. CRUZ: I agree with you but…
MR. REED: Doesn’t make any sense.
MR. CRUZ: …that Republicans spent too much…
MR. REED: And we’re sitting around here, acting and being polite and it doesn’t make sense.
And Reed’s comment on Joe Biden’s “chains” remark:
GREGORY: Kasim Reed, did you hear race in those remarks? Is there a racial appeal? Doug Wilder did as we showed the governors before.
MR. REED: I — I didn’t hear it. I mean, I watched the entire presentation, got a copy of the transcript. I didn’t hear it. I think that this is small ball. I think that he was talking about the Wall Street recovery, and– and that was the context of the message. When Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan stands up to Rush Limbaugh, when– when– when they’re disparaging a Georgetown law student or stands up to Ted Nugent, really stands up to anybody or stands up to Donald Trump, then I’ll be willing to have a conversation about a comment that the vice president made.
– Jay Bookman