As GOP convention kicks off, Obama still favorite

With the 2012 Republican Convention about to open its doors, here’s how the race shapes up at the moment, based on RealClearPolitics’ poll average:

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In other words, too close to call. The investors at Intrade still make Obama the favorite, with 55.8 percent of dollars invested favoring the incumbent and 43.7 percent predicting a Romney victory. At fivethirtyeight.com, Nate Silver predicts a 2.4 percentage point margin for Obama come Nov. 6, with a 69.3 percent chance of an Obama re-election.

And according to Gallup, 58 percent of Americans believe Obama will be re-elected, compared to 36 percent who predict a Romney victory. Among Democrats, 86 percent predict victory for Obama, while Republicans are less confident in their champion, with just 65 percent predicting that it will be Romney raising his hand to take the oath of office in January.

Still a long way to go, including debates. But at this point Obama is showing strength, especially considering how poorly he should be doing as predicted by models that focus solely on the economy.

– Jay Bookman

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Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 28th, 2012
8:40 am

Yes President Obama will win but I want a Congress more willing to help out than we have now.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 28th, 2012
8:41 am

I guess that I should yell “FIRST”, but I know that and $5.00 will get me a Latte at Starbucks…

Aquagirl

August 28th, 2012
8:45 am

Maybe I need more coffee, but what is the blue thing at the bottom? Unemployment? GDP? Clam harvest per capita?

Thomas Heyward Jr

August 28th, 2012
8:45 am

The great silent majority of Americans are actually ignoring the two Statist candidates who were picked by the Central Committee.
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Fact.
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FORWARD SOVIET!

Aquagirl

August 28th, 2012
8:46 am

Never mind, I figured it out…it’s percentage of white folks buying cars from Hank Aaron.

East Lake Ira

August 28th, 2012
8:46 am

If Obama does not win, we’re in for a world of hurt.

The GOP is a scary semicoherent theocracy waiting to happen.

JamVet

August 28th, 2012
8:47 am

Mitt is John McCain Redux.

But McCain had some dignity, principles, valor and integrity…

Robert Lee

August 28th, 2012
8:48 am

I’ll probably still vote for Obama but I’m really disappointed that we still have troops fighting a ridiculous culture war in a place that does not want to become Americanized. If he brought all the troops home by Ocotber I bet he would win in a land slide.

kimmer

August 28th, 2012
8:50 am

Obama still the favorite? Hmmm, I guess it depends on who’s poll you go with. Here’s one that sees it a bit differently.

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-romney-edges-ahead-obama-voters-think-ll-063140745.html

It is too close to call but one thing is clear The candidates are headed in opposite directions and your guy is going the wrong way. Or perhaps I should say the right way for the good of America.

ty webb

August 28th, 2012
8:50 am

hey look, jay took off his sharpton hat…though the stench remains.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 28th, 2012
8:52 am

Why is it that good manners fly out the door when someone sees or hears something they don’t want to recognize?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
8:55 am

Hallo dahlinks!!!

yes, the tea leaves are boding well so far for Obama … much like the Tory party of the 1990s, the GOP is run by rubbish so winds up with rubbish candidates …

nelson

August 28th, 2012
8:56 am

Scott Pelley[CBS] was at his malevolent best degrading the republican nominee on the eve of Mitts greatest time as the flag bearer for the GOP.
Scott in his mean spirited best says” I understand that there are people eve in your own party that do not like you”.
It is hard to beat a news anchor when he knows his mean spirited criticism is going coast to coast.

Stonethrower

August 28th, 2012
8:56 am

Hello boys and girsls. Can you say pep rally? That’s is all these conventions are. Most folks I believe have made up their minds already. Now, back to our regularly scheduled (not) reality program.

Jay

August 28th, 2012
8:56 am

Also, I should post the fact that Debbie DR will be doing a couple of days in suspension after getting a bit carried away last night.

Tundra Dude

August 28th, 2012
8:56 am

JB:
But at this point Obama is showing strength, especially considering how poorly he should be doing as predicted by models that focus solely on the economy.

These “It’s the economy, stupid” polls are really stupid:

Allan Lichtman’s 13-key system has pick 7 consecutive prez elections. So far, he picks the incumbent to win.

see: Keys to the White House: A Surefire Guide to Predicting the Next President

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
8:57 am

You must have missed Dick Morris on Hannity last night. He has his own poll and it shows Romney ahead. He even said that all the other polls were wrong and his was by far the most accurate. My question is wht is Obama even continuing to run? After all, when Dick Morris says it’s right, it’s right. :)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
8:57 am

Oh, FFS, Kimmer …

“Romney leads Obama 47 percent to 46 percent – well within the margin of error.”

do you not understand the concept of statistical tie???

kayaker 71

August 28th, 2012
8:58 am

I’ll vote for Bozo, even though the economy is still in the tank. I’ll vote for him even though our growth is still stalled at 1.5%. I’ll vote for him even though we still have unemployment over 8.3%, actually much more if the numbers are not massaged. I’ll vote for this clown even though he lies, cajoles and berates just to get his way. I’ll vote for this arrogant narcissist even though our debt is still the highest it has ever been and pegged to go even higher in the next four years. I’ll vote for Bozo because”I like him”. I’ll vote for this sorry excuse for a president because “he is the champion of the little guy”. I’ll vote for him even though my house is worth less that it have ever been since I bought it and not expected to go much higher in the near future.
Yeah, I’ll vote for him no matter what.

Karl Marx

August 28th, 2012
8:59 am

“It’s the economy stupid.” By James Carville for Bill Clintons 1992 presidential campaign. Isn’t it a drag when things come back to bite you. Obama is going to lose.

Georgia on my mind...

August 28th, 2012
8:59 am

and the maps do not show Georgia as bright red anymore. It has turned pink!! Georgia will be given to President Obama as a Christmas gift just like Savannah was given to President Lincoln…

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sherman-presents-lincoln-with-a-christmas-gift

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
8:59 am

poor yakker – bitter that he has such a crap candidate …

Donovan

August 28th, 2012
9:00 am

Where in the world do you get such polls? These numbers are as loony as your left wing bloggers.

barking frog

August 28th, 2012
9:00 am

Getting the polled to the
polls in November is the
problem for both candidates. The incumbent
has the advantage.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
9:00 am

kayker 71 – “Yeah, I’ll vote for him no matter what.”

Hey, maybe people are still just a little wary about putting another CEO in the drivers seat. You do rememeber what happened the last time a “Businessman” was elected to office don’t you?

Paul

August 28th, 2012
9:00 am

Given the unique economic situation (major recession, job losses and deficits) hitting just as the new guy took office, I’m guessing the old economic prediction models aren’t applicable. What will decide for many is their level of patience for change, especially if they do not accept this is not a quick-results situation.

Morning, Normal 8:52

“Why is it that good manners fly out the door when someone sees or hears something they don’t want to recognize?”

Because they are insecure in their convictions and feel threatened because to change means, in thei minds, to admit weakness, so they lash out instead?

kimmer

August 28th, 2012
9:01 am

“…. especially considering how poorly he should be doing as predicted by models that focus solely on the economy.”

So Jay, is this an admission that Obama has failed on the economy?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 28th, 2012
9:01 am

Please make sure that you and your loved ones are going to be able to vote.

Fly-On-The-Wall

August 28th, 2012
9:02 am

I’m not sure I trust the polls but I sure would like to. The reason I don’t is that the polls are not taking into account all of the people who won’t be allowed to vote which just might be the tipping point for a Romney victory. The Republicans can’t win with their message so the just remove valid from rolls or make it impossible to vote. Funny, we use to look down at countries that did that stuff because we would never do that here in this great nation. (snarc)

St Simons - he-ne-ha

August 28th, 2012
9:02 am

as a numbers guy I see no more fluctuation than 6 points in the whole
cycle, which is +-3 change (in vote).

So, Lord High Hairgels mission should he choose to accept it, is to
move 4% (or suppress 4%) of the electorate.
0.04 x 160,000,000 = 6.4 million votes
Will 6 and a half million people change their minds in 60 days?
no way mon
read the tea leaves mon
acknowledge
move on

Patrick

August 28th, 2012
9:02 am

Has anyone else noticed that Romney’s ability to speak fluent French has not received much attention?

I wonder why? It seemed to be a very big deal when John Kerry was running for President…

Georgia on my mind...

August 28th, 2012
9:03 am

Are YOU registered to vote? YOU can register “right now”!

http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/VRinfo.htm

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:04 am

Normal – don’t know if you saw this one, but I thought you, Granny, Doggone and dB would get a kick out of it:

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/V/g/4/giant-uterus-gop-convention.jpg

RB from Gwinnett

August 28th, 2012
9:05 am

More of Jays “polls show everybody else loves Obama so you should too” BS.

Tell us Jay, what percent of the people polled are registered democrats?

Rosita

August 28th, 2012
9:06 am

FRENCH! LMAO! It stands to reason. The Mitt speaks the blue blood’s language of choice.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 28th, 2012
9:06 am

Jay — “Still a long way to go, including debates. But at this point Obama is showing strength, especially considering how poorly he should be doing as predicted by models that focus solely on the economy.”

Well, that’s simply a reflection of what a spitty candidate Romney is.

Remember, this is the guy they threw over in order to pick McCain last time. If Romney was all that, he’d have already been through a Presidential election.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
9:06 am

Patrick – “Has anyone else noticed that Romney’s ability to speak fluent French has not received much attention?

I wonder why?”

Well, once a qualified candidate like Jon Hunstman, who actually speaks the language of our primary creditor, and knows their ways get eliminated in favor of a third string bench warmer, the ability to speak French seems minor at best.

Georgia on my mind...

August 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Citizen of the World

August 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Besides the fact that Romney is so shallow and dishonest, he made a huge tactical error, IMHO, by picking Ryan as his running mate. Not the way to win over independents, with a guy so far right (and so very wrong).

Rosita

August 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Didn’t Carl Rove say that Mitt has no chance unless he gets 40% of the Latino vote? He has no chance. You reap what you sow cons.

Gordon

August 28th, 2012
9:08 am

“If he brought all the troops home by Ocotber I bet he would win in a land slide.”

If Obama thought that he would bring the troops home by October. That’s who Obama is. I’ll vote for Romney not because I am convinced he will be a great president, but because I think the odds are small he will be worse than the one we have. Obama did inherit a very tough situation, but I think he has shown very poor leadership in trying to improve it. He didn’t even lead in the area he was enthusiastic about : health care. He just turned it over to Pelosi. He potificates and then moves on. That is not a leader.

If you keep doing what you’ve done, you’ll keep getting what you got. I want something different.

Real Scootter

August 28th, 2012
9:09 am

USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:04 am

:shock:

The Cons Are Fighting In Tampa (Robme vs Paul vs Huckabee)....heeheehee

August 28th, 2012
9:09 am

@kayaker 71

August 28th, 2012
8:58 am
I’ll vote for Bozo, even though the economy is still in the tank. I’ll vote for him even though our growth is still stalled at 1.5%. I’ll vote for him even though we still have unemployment over 8.3%, actually much more if the numbers are not massaged. I’ll vote for this clown even though he lies, cajoles and berates just to get his way. I’ll vote for this arrogant narcissist even though our debt is still the highest it has ever been and pegged to go even higher in the next four years. I’ll vote for Bozo because”I like him”. I’ll vote for this sorry excuse for a president because “he is the champion of the little guy”. I’ll vote for him even though my house is worth less that it have ever been since I bought it and not expected to go much higher in the near future.
Yeah, I’ll vote for him no matter what.
*******************************************************************************************

Obama will win with or without SOME OF YOUR VOTES.

WE GOT HIS BACK:

African Americans
White Women
Hispanics
Others

So anyone who feels they HAVE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA…….

Its Obama vs No Help for your mama or grand mama

Let your conscience be YOUR GUIDE.

Paul

August 28th, 2012
9:09 am

Rosita

“FRENCH! LMAO! It stands to reason. The Mitt speaks the blue blood’s language of choice.”

Ummm…. Rosita…. he lived in France for a few yeas.

Unless you mean French are ‘blue bloods’…..

kimmer

August 28th, 2012
9:10 am

@US in UK, I think my understanding of a statistical tie is a bit better than Jay’s. He’s the one who chose to headline his blog “Obama still favorite”. I assume you forgot to chide him for his statistical ignorance.

JamVet

August 28th, 2012
9:10 am

DEBBIE! DEBBIE! DEBBIE!

Let my people go!

Well, at least the numerologist will be happy!

Donovan must know of some super secret, top-flight, Grade A “poll” that shows Mitt ahead by 25 to 30 points…

Which is probably the case in Stumpbroke, Georgia…

kayaker 71

August 28th, 2012
9:11 am

What is it about this buffoon that enamors his voter base? I can see the ones who get a check every month for not doing much for it. They don’t want their gravy train to melt away. But seemingly intelligent people, like many on this blog, seem to have blinders on or they are just ignoring the obvious. We are broke. Our GDP is nearing our debt. We have over 20M people who are still out of work. Our growth is stalled at the lowest it has been in decades. And blaming Bush is just not going to cut it anymore. This clown owns this economy, lock stock and barrel. I just, for the life of me, cannot see why all of you are willing to stick with such a loser. Is your ideology that prevalent? Is it because you want to give him another chance to make it right? Why???

TaxPayer

August 28th, 2012
9:11 am

Uh Oh. The Koch boys and old Sheldon Adelson might have to start paying above market price for the votes they will need to put the race-baiting, corporate-raiding, tax-cheating Mitt in office.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
9:13 am

It must be comforting for Mitt to know that he at least has the 1% and the trailer park votes all locked up. Now, if he could just crack the intelligent, middle class, median income vote.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:13 am

“So Jay, is this an admission that Obama has failed on the economy?”

corporations making record profits …

CEOs making record salaries …

Stock market (DOW) up 45% over what it was when he took office

but, yeah … other than that, he’s been DIRE for the economy :roll:

Don Abernethy

August 28th, 2012
9:13 am

You are right he is the favorite to lead us into socialism,bankruptcy, and giant government.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:14 am

“It must be comforting for Mitt to know that he at least has the 1% and the trailer park votes all locked up.”

and the Mormons

MiltonMan

August 28th, 2012
9:14 am

“But at this point Obama is showing strength, especially considering how poorly he should be doing…”

In all honesty Jay, I recommend you take a course that emphasizes “trend analysis”. The Real Clear Politics data above clearly shows this and this is not good news for an election two months away.

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
9:15 am

kayker 71 – “Is it because you want to give him another chance to make it right? Why???”

Probably because when the GOP had the opportunity to bring forth a candidate that people could get behind and suppor,t regardless of political affiliation, they chose to run with Mitt Romney.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 28th, 2012
9:15 am

Also, I should post the fact that Debbie DR will be doing a couple of days in suspension after getting a bit carried away last night.

Should be archived and brought out when the whiners complain that Jay plays favorites.

And exactly what is that graph at the bottom of the chart?

JamVet

August 28th, 2012
9:16 am

I can see the ones who get a check every month for not doing much for it.

You mean all of those forever unemployed Republicans in those all-white counties throughout Georgia, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Mississippi, North Dakota, Idaho, Kansas and Utah?

Those parasites?

That’s who I thought you meant…

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:16 am

” I think my understanding of a statistical tie is a bit better than Jay’s”

the evidence doesn’t support your statement.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 28th, 2012
9:16 am

Interesting stats:

89% of the Republican Party is white.

Right now, Romney is trailing McCain’s numbers for every minority block of votes.

So let’s talk about birth certificates and welfare queens, right?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 28th, 2012
9:16 am

Gee Thanks, USinUK,
I just shorted out another keyboard with that! That has to be Romney’s nightmare…the great flying uterus… :)

————————

PAUL.
Your 0900. Well said and very right. I’ve always wondered why changing ones mind would make one weak? Do you think it’s because they think only women do it?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:17 am

“Probably because when the GOP had the opportunity to bring forth a candidate that people could get behind and suppor,t regardless of political affiliation, they chose to run with Mitt Romney.”

in all fairness, the “people” chose Mittens during the primary process.

they made their bed.

Tonto

August 28th, 2012
9:17 am

Jay, why do you and other media lie about the economy? This is a Goldilocks economy of not too hot for inflation and not to cold for recession, not even one quarter of negative growth. Look at the facts.

Manufacturing Employment

Obama increase 532,000 since 1/2010
Last Republican Administration lost 4,560,000 in 8years.
Clinton increase 321,000 in 8 years.
Second to last Republican Administration lost 1,267,000 in 4 years.
Can somebody in the media say “outsourcing anti-American anti-union Republicans”

What will a new Republican Administration do differently from the last one?

Total Nonfarm Employment

Obama increase last month 163,000 is not double or triple, but more than 14 times greater than last Republican Administration’s average

Since 2/2010 increase of 4,001,000 employees

Last Republican Administration 1,095,000 / 8 years = 136,875 / yr or 11,406 / mo. (all government employees for example Department of Homeland Security)

Clinton 22,740,000 / 8 years = 2,842,500 / yr or 236,875 / mo.
Carter 2,584,000 / yr or 215,400 / mo.

MiltonMan

August 28th, 2012
9:17 am

Polls are useless. Just like Clayton County.

TaxPayer

August 28th, 2012
9:18 am

The chart shows which candidate is in the lead versus time.

td

August 28th, 2012
9:18 am

One wonders why Jay decided to use Real Clear and not Gallop? Could it be because Gallop has Romney up by one?

willydoit?

August 28th, 2012
9:18 am

“Yes President Obama will win but I want a Congress more willing to help out than we have now.”

He had a super majority for the first two years of his presidency.
How much more help could he have had???

America should be a liberal utopia now!!

MiltonMan

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

“Interesting stats:

89% of the Republican Party is white.

Right now, Romney is trailing McCain’s numbers for every minority block of votes.

So let’s talk about birth certificates and welfare queens, right?”

Link?

ByteMe - Political thug

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

td: because RCP is a composite of all the polls instead of just one poll with just one sampling model.

Aquagirl

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

And exactly what is that graph at the bottom of the chart?

Percentage of white people buying cars from Hank Aaron.

In a fantastic coincidence, it’s directly proportional to the margin of difference between the two candidates.

Recon 0311 2533

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

I don’t think the DNC and Obama’s campaign management see it quite the same way. I bet they’re very concerned that their strategy of destroying Romney’s candidacy over the last 5 months before the Republican convention failed. They thought they had another opportunity a few weeks ago when Romney selected Ryan. They felt certain they could launch a mediscare attack against Ryan’s plan and that failed. In fact a recent ABC poll shows most trusting Romney/Ryan over Democrats with handling Medicare and that’s a huge shift. The race is neck and neck with the Dems using up their firepower in failed attempts to gain campaign traction. Should Romney/Ryan get a post convention bump in the polls and in a few weeks after the convention show some building campaign momentum along with Romney doing well in the debates I think Obama will probably lose reelection.

JamVet

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

The shame is that Utah actually has/had two GREAT candidates for president.

Jon Huntsman and Rocky Anderson.

Both are MUCH smarter and more principled that Flip.

Hang tough, fake conservatives!

Perhaps one day maybe the Loon Party actually will nominate a total buffoon like Keyes, Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Cain or Brownback.

Good times out on the fringe…

b-troll

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

“The Koch boys”

Evil Koch boys. The same ones who fund a cancer institute at MIT….

http://ki.mit.edu/

Quagmire

August 28th, 2012
9:19 am

@kayaker – If President Obama owns the economy(your words), does Bush owns the two wars and $3.5T tax cuts for the rich during the wars that we are paying for now?

Just asking

ByteMe - Political thug

August 28th, 2012
9:20 am

Link?

Julie?

and you misspelled “Linc”.

:lol:

kayaker 71

August 28th, 2012
9:20 am

The incumbent always has the edge in most any presidential election. At this point, Bozo should be much further ahead than he is to be sure of a win. One of the best predictors so far has been that Univ of Colo group that predicts presidential elections, mainly based on economic predictions and the unemployment rate. They have been right in every prediction, since 1980. They predict that Romney will get 320 electoral votes and carry most of the swing states. We shall see, libs, we shall see.

joe

August 28th, 2012
9:21 am

The only ppl who favor Obama are loony lib socialist live off the government dole because I can’t take care of myself and my family idiots…or Hollywood Actors.

Harold Westerling

August 28th, 2012
9:22 am

I predict a Romney win…simply because of the fact that a good majority of Obama voters probably won’t understand that they have to vote again for him to still be president, and the other half will stay away because they are afraid of being called to jury duty…

Besides, what you are citing is the popular vote, and we all know what happened in the 2000 election ;)

JamVet

August 28th, 2012
9:22 am

America should be a liberal utopia now!!

Which proves that this nonsense bout the Democratic Party bein gfar left is just that.

They too are pro-war, pro-military industrial complex, pro-BIG corporations above actual people and pro-plutocracy.

Wake up, folks.

There is no tmuch difference between them.

Which explains why nothing substantial on behalf of we the people ever gets done.

And though PPACA was horribly misguided and problematic, at least BHO goes down in history as at least TRYING to help the middle class in this country.

Something not seen in nearly fifty years…

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 28th, 2012
9:23 am

“Evil Koch boys. The same ones who fund a cancer institute at MIT…”

And I would bet everything I have they are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart but for a tax break.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 28th, 2012
9:23 am

USinUK

Well today IS the 28th day of the month….

One T/L of motrin shipped to Tampa might do a world of good.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 28th, 2012
9:23 am

One of the best predictors so far has been that Univ of Colo group that predicts presidential elections, mainly based on economic predictions and the unemployment rate

And you’ve decided it’s one of the “best predictors” why? Because they match your outcome or because you accept that they got it right the last 8 times and it’s possible they were wrong all the times before that, but eight in a row is enough, right? Is this also how you decided that global warming was real, because it’s been happening for the last 15 years in a row?

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
9:23 am

Does anyone else get the feeling that more heads would explode if Obama got re-elected as opposed to Romney actually getting elected?

I envision a Romney win with Obama supporters breathing a sigh of disappointment and hoping they were wrong about him, as opposed to an Obama re-election win where I could literally see Sean Hannity and Rush Limbnaugh walk hand in hand off the top of the Empire State building.

Diversity At The RNC? I See Only A Few Black Spots In The Crowd

August 28th, 2012
9:24 am

The RNC convention is like a pot of SALTY WHITE RICE sprinkled

with two or three specks of BLACK PEPPER.

TOO MUCH SALT could lead to heart disease, stroke, kidney disease

and congestive heart failure.

Reagans ghost

August 28th, 2012
9:24 am

I have faith that main stream America ( none found here) will do the right thing. Politics aside, he just ain’t getting it done. It’s called leadership, and he would rather bitch and moan and not give an inch. We need change. I think most Americans agree. Don’t trust any polls

Joe Hussein Mama

August 28th, 2012
9:24 am

K71 — “What is it about this buffoon that enamors his voter base?”

He’s not kissing the rear ends of the putative ‘job creators,’ who aren’t actually creating any jobs.

“I can see the ones who get a check every month for not doing much for it. They don’t want their gravy train to melt away. But seemingly intelligent people, like many on this blog, seem to have blinders on or they are just ignoring the obvious.”

From where I’m standing, *you’re* ignoring the obvious.

“We are broke. Our GDP is nearing our debt.”

How come deficit spending under Bush never seemed to bother Republicans? Didn’t Dick Cheney say that “deficits don’t matter,” or was that someone wearing a mask that said that? Why is it that the MOMENT a Democrat got elected, the GOP largely got religion on debt and deficits, but up until that point, they were all for spending like a shipful of drunken sailors on liberty in a foreign port?

“We have over 20M people who are still out of work.”

Were you aware that the labor force shrinkage *began* under President Bush?

“Our growth is stalled at the lowest it has been in decades.”

Maybe if Congress spent some time working on helpful legislation instead of voting to repeal the ACA thirty-some times, then we could get some recovery going. Just sayin’.

“And blaming Bush is just not going to cut it anymore.”

You’re an intelligent and educated man, which makes it amazing to me that you can’t seem to recognize that many of the problems you’re complaining about — particularly the economic and employment-related ones — EXISTED and/or STARTED under President Bush, If you’re going to steadfastly refuse to recognize and/or admit that, then you need not wonder why Democrats are being so obstinate on this point. It’s because Republicans have been obstinate on this point for the last four years.

“This clown owns this economy, lock stock and barrel.”

Is that why Republicans keep complaining about the Clinton recession and the Carter ‘malaise?’

“I just, for the life of me, cannot see why all of you are willing to stick with such a loser.”

Because your guy is worse and will make the situation worse.

“Is your ideology that prevalent?”

No. See above.

“Is it because you want to give him another chance to make it right? Why???”

It’s because we don’t want the Republicans to have another chance to drive the middle and lower class into the poorhouse. Y’all did an AMAZINGLY spitty job with the economy from 2001-2009, and from what Romney’s said, released and published, he’s going to go right back to the same road Bush was on. It’s true that Obama hasn’t done a very good job with the economy, but given that he’s largely been working with Congress’ backing, he’s gotten a lot more done than I thought he would.

If y’all can’t GTFO the way in Congress and HELP the President HELP the country, then I see no reason whatsoever why y’all deserve my time, my effort, my donations or my vote.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:25 am

So let’s talk about birth certificates and welfare queens, right?”

Link?

Criminey, Milton … Teh Google is your friend (so is … well … pretty much every major news outlet)

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

kimmer

August 28th, 2012
9:25 am

So, USinUK, if Obama has been so fantastic for the US economy, I wonder why your boy Jay declares that he should be sucking wind because of it?

JamVet

August 28th, 2012
9:25 am

They have been right in every prediction, since 1980.

What is that oft/over used line I see around here?

Pats by 3.

OK, off to gainfully enjoy my recovery from the Bush Depression.

Later, taters…

Whatever

August 28th, 2012
9:26 am

As I’ve said before I’m a mod-con. I’m not a fan of Romney and plan to vote Libertarian in the election. That being said, for those of you how are liberals, do you really think Obama is that great of a candidate? In my opinion he’s been a mess. Just curious if you really love him and think he’s great or if you are voting for him because he’s a Democrat.

No judgement, just curious…..

Citizen of the World

August 28th, 2012
9:26 am

kayaker, to answer your question as a “seemingly intelligent person,” I will vote for Obama because the Republicans talk fiscal responsibility but never quite seem to deliver. “Deficits don’t matter,” to quote Dick Chaney during the Bush administration. President Bush also started two wars and instituted a tax cut at the same time, which is not fiscally responsible at all. Jobs got worse during Bush — in number and quality. And Bush pushed that Medicare drug benefit through, unfunded. And supported TARP to bail out his bank buddies. So Republicans talk one thing, do another.

In the meantime, they also are anti-people — anti-women, anti-gay, anti-innocent bystanders, anti-struggling working poor, anti-soldiers, anti-union, anti-employee, anti-sick person, anti-the air we breathe and the water we drink. People are just collateral damage in their fight for more money and power for the already rich and powerful.

If the Republicans really were fiscally responsible and if they did not work so hard to appeal to people’s worst fears and prejudices, I might be able to vote for one.

But as it stands — no way.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:26 am

“One T/L of motrin shipped to Tampa might do a world of good.”

I would have said Fleets … but, tomayto, tomahto …

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 28th, 2012
9:26 am

JAY,

Here’s another poll by Dick Morris whom I know all you blue sheep will judge but he does have a modicum of street credibility….

Who knows what to believe??

http://www.dickmorris.com/romney-has-big-lead-in-my-poll/

Rosita

August 28th, 2012
9:27 am

Because kayaker71 maybe handing the keys back to the Fox that ate the chickens to begin with is pretty darn dumb. Mitt can’t do any better with this economy than the last Republican did. Given a choice I prefer not to have a bunch of right wing freedom suckers dictating how everyone else in this country lives their lives. I prefer to see Jim Crow stay dead and buried. People like Rick Santorum “make birth control illegal” and “legitimate rape” Akin are the true dangers to this country and the freedoms we have here. And if you don’t believe their views aren’t the views of these neanderthal right wingers think again.

Road Scholar

August 28th, 2012
9:27 am

Will someone please tell me what has the repubs done for the economy? Starting two wars and wanting to start 2 more doesn’t count! Mr Boehmer, where are the jobs YOU promised?

If President Obama wins, will Boehmer and McConnell get “fired”? I want your honest opinion! I still wish Pres Obama replaced Pelosi and Reid!

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

August 28th, 2012
9:27 am

Oh the irony. The GOP, the party of more power to local government and less federal government intrusion into the rights of states, wants to take away power of the states to name their own convention delegates so that big brother can do it for them. I was not planning to watch any of the GOP convention but if they are gonna have a floor fight, it could be worth a few moments to watch the self immolation.

Diversity At The RNC? I See Only A Few Black Spots In The Crowd

August 28th, 2012
9:27 am

@Butch Cassidy (I)

August 28th, 2012
9:23 am
An Obama re-election win where I could literally see Sean Hannity and Rush Limbnaugh walk hand in hand off the top of the Empire State building.

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Oh What A Happy Day……..

Oh What A Happy Day……..

Good TRUMPS Evil.

b-troll

August 28th, 2012
9:28 am

“And I would bet everything I have they are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart but for a tax break.”

Stupid liberals.

BlahBlahBlah

August 28th, 2012
9:28 am

This is 2004 all over again, only the parties have switched roles. In 2004 Bush “deserved” another 4 years to “finish the job”, as opposed to a lukewarm candidate like Kerry. In 2012, Obama is playing the Bush role and Romney is playing the Kerry role.

DannyX

August 28th, 2012
9:28 am

“One wonders why Jay decided to use Real Clear and not Gallop? Could it be because Gallop has Romney up by one?”

td, you seriously don’t know the difference between Gallup and the Real Clear Politics poll average?

And speaking of cherry picking, for months you have been claiming that Rasmussen was the most accurate poll and have used it to show Romney in the lead, yesterday Rasmussen had Obama up by 3 Why did you suddenly drop Rasmussen?

Rosita

August 28th, 2012
9:28 am

Citizen of the World you just stoned kayaker. LMAO!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 28th, 2012
9:29 am

” if Obama has been so fantastic for the US economy, I wonder why your boy Jay declares that he should be sucking wind because of it?”

because certain people (*cough* FOX *cough*) think that, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it … which, considering the crapola that comes out of FOX viewers pieholes, seems to bear some fruit.