U.S. troops at Ft. Stewart plotted to kill Obama?
Boy, I’d sure like to know more about this, and I suspect that we will in time. But for the moment, this is all we know, via AP:
“LUDOWICI, Ga. — Prosecutors say a murder case against four soldiers in Georgia has revealed they formed an anarchist militia within the U.S. military with plans to overthrow the federal government.
One of the accused troops, Pfc. Michael Burnett, pleaded guilty Monday to manslaughter and gang charges in the December slayings of former soldier Michael Roark and his girlfriend, 17-year-old Tiffany York.
Burnett told a Long County judge that Roark, who had just left the Army, knew of the militia group’s plans and was killed because he was “a loose end.”
Prosecutor Isabel Pauley says the group bought $87,000 worth of guns and bomb-making materials and plotted to take over Fort Stewart, bomb targets in nearby Savannah and Washington state, as well as assassinate the president.”
Sometimes these things get blown out of proportion, but $87,000 in weaponry suggests otherwise. And when you’re willing to murder two people to keep the plot secret, you’re pretty serious about it. The bodies of Roark and York were found by fishermen along a deserted rural road. They had apparently been executed.
Michael Roark
Tiffany York
– Jay Bookman
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
I doubt many of our Second Amendments remedies crowd will stand up and discourage this nonsense. How many people must continue to die because of these “loners” and “self-appointed vigilantes” that seem so very close to the extreme GOPpers.
Oh, Wolvervine.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
12:34 pm
Good Lord Almighty.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:34 pm
WOLVERINES!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:35 pm
Oh, and THIRD!
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
That is ignorant like holding a convention in Tampa while the Gulf Coast gets hit by Isaaac.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
Thanks Kam for saving me the correction.
Adam
August 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
Actual Treason
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
I’d strongly advise folks not to get too far out ahead on this. As AP notes, this is being described as an “anarchist militia,” and who the hell knows what that means?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Yeah, like a PFC is going to have his act lined up well enough to “take over Fort Stewart: with three buddies.
Aside from him being a nut, the dumbazz is strong indeed with that one.
Aquagirl
August 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
but $87,000 in weaponry suggests otherwise.
And the guy sentenced is a PFC. (That’s lower enlisted.) It sure wasn’t his paycheck running this operation.
Serving in the military while plotting to overthrow the government? Hang him for treason.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Two yahoos in N. Ga. were just sentenced for the same thing.
Not a good reputation for the state of Ga.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
Treason, try them and hang them high.
Doggone/GA
August 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
“Not a good reputation for the state of Ga”
Well, let’s say it’s not good for GA’s reputation among normal people. As this story already indicates…there ARE people out there for whom this might be a shining reputation.
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
I’d be curious to see who all is involved with that alleged scheme. $87,000 ain’t nothing to sneeze at when looking at enlisted pay. That’s either a lot of savings or some financial genius at work there.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Bro, pure speculation, but there are various ways to raise that much dough.
Drugs. Selling military weapons/hardware on the black market, etc.
DJ Sniper
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
The next time any of you encounter an idiot who swears that Obama is dangerous for America, please bring this story up to them.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
Jay-I would suggest someone else providing the cash. Truly chilling.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
Treason charges are rarely brought and hard to prove. And the punishment can be surprisingly light.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
IMO, the government would probably get a longer sentence for less effort by nailing him on weapons and conspiracy charges, plus the murders noted above.
ByteMe - Political thug
August 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
And the guy sentenced is a PFC. (That’s lower enlisted.) It sure wasn’t his paycheck running this operation.
That was my first thought as well. PFC pay would qualify him for food stamps in the real world. So where’d the money come from?
Real Scootter
August 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
Not a good reputation for the state of Ga.
Well Kam,”bad” reputation is all we got!! That’s why we try to keep it.
Jefferson
August 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
Tired of taking orders ?
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
Jay
My point exactly. If that’s true, there’s gotta be some incriminating evidence somewhere of the fundraising that was needed to get those weapons. Either that, or there should be inventory discrepancies that can possibly account for the weapons cache, if they are military issued.
Mr Right
August 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
I’d strongly advise folks not to get too far out ahead on this. As AP notes, this is being described as an “anarchist militia,” and who the hell knows what that means?
So why are you stirring the pot ?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
So will Orily be appearing to defend them? It’s not treason if he is not the legitimate President, right?
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
I’m sorry, Mr. Righty. You wanted to be kept in the dark about this? Gee, tell me next time, OK?
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
12:58 pm
I think it’s safe to say that these anarchists are not likely to be part of any radical left wing group operating out of Georgia.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
Keep it partisan TP…keep it partisan
Mr Right
August 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
Yea please tell me! If I had to depend on you for news I would be screwed!
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
The mindset of some of these Georgians is unbelievable? There were two that were sentenced last week for similar crimes!! Is Georgia under attack and we are being kept in the dark?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
KUTGF — “So will Orily be appearing to defend them?”
Sounds good. Georgia could use another $20,000 ‘donation’ and Ms. Taitz is virtually guaranteed to act up in the courtroom.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
Live, there’s no indication that these are Georgians. They are soldiers who were stationed here.
Matti
August 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
Whoa…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
Mr Right
And would that be your first time?
Call It Like It Is
August 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
And it only took one post to compare these guys to the GOP. Because you know that is what the Republicans do, plot the death of our president with our own military. Beyond silly.
Mark Curran
August 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
IF you listened to hate radio all day, and those goofy Southern lunatics praising child torturing slave masters ( I wont mention any names but they rhyme with Lee and Davis), you would go starking raving mad too.
Garbage in – garbage out. And there is so much garbage and hate rammed down the gullible throats of people who were taught nothing in history class but BS. WE are not allowed to teach that Lee had slave girls whipped, or that he boasted that God intended slavery to be painful. We are not allowed to teach that Davis ran away in a dress leaving his children behind in danger while bullets flew.
Truth matters, and we don’t teach it. WE should not teach history AT ALL in schools, if all th ey are gonna do is goofy distortions.
How many hours a day can the weak minded listen to hate radio, and not think they HAVE to do something to stop the evil people?
Aquagirl
August 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
Not a good reputation for the state of Ga.
In defense of Georgia (can’t believe I’m saying this) the soldiers probably weren’t from here, they were only stationed at Ft. Stewart. Georgia doesn’t run that either. Unless they have ties to locals, it’s not Jawja’s mess even if most people think it is.
BTW, a news story from last December listed the other rats, they’re all lower enlisted.
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-washington-state-soldier-slain-days-after-his-discharge-from-army-20111214,0,3603598.story
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Keep it partisan TP…keep it partisan
Perhaps Erwin wishes to challenge my claim. Nah! Didn’t think so.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
When will they label cons enemy combatants?
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
Yeah, like a PFC is going to have his act lined up well enough to “take over Fort Stewart: with three buddies.
I was thinking that same thing. The only thing i could come up with is that the PFC worked in the armorey and had access to “dead” weapons, (weapons being replaced with newer models); and was selling them on the side.
But then, he’d have to have at least 8 accomplices inside the armorey to make that happen.
$87K is not small potatoes, this is probably a “Tuner Diaries” reader. IN the diaries it has a plan to infiltrate different levels of government and work within their ranks to bring them down.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Aquagirl — “BTW, a news story from last December listed the other rats, they’re all lower enlisted.”
It’s not specified if they were in the same company/troop/battery together, but if they were, they’re probably the Kiss of Death for their CO’s military career. And I imagine their First Sergeant was getting asked some hard questions, too.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Seems like not too long ago there was a young man and his girlfriend who had similar things in mind. Friends of Bozo, I might add. Now they are teaching at some University in Chicago.
Tommy Maddox
August 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
Being stationed on a Post in Georgia does not necessarily make a nutball soldier a Georgian.
Fred ™
August 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
How coincidental. I read an article the other day that talked about those #$@% %##$@ *%$$ sad excuse for human beings, the White Supremacists encouraging their young members to join the military to get trained for the race war to come. This seems to fit right in……..
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Janaet N -Homeland Chief – told us to look out for the crazies. The repubs reviled her, said she was blowing smoke; but since the half dozen or so arrests, (those old guys in the georgia mountains being one), it seems that she was corrct and the repubs were the ones blowing smoke.
Also, i blame talk radio for this. if anyone ever can stomach listening to the likes of Bortz, et. al. all they do all day is screech about Obama. No matter what the topic, it always comes back to Obama. That type of diet of steady hate filled diatribe would push anyone over the edge.
But especially someone as weak minded as a republican who earns less than $40K a year.
ken
August 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
Romney is ahead in the Ohio presidential polls !!!! Go Mitt !!
Newby
August 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Call it said, ” Because you know that is what the Republicans do, plot the death of our president with our own military.”
I think we would all agree that that is not true. It’s usually a lone gunman.
I realize this isn’t really a joking matter, and apologize for my poor taste.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
There must be some misunderstanding says Phil Collins. The weapons were for Syrian rebels and the head of state they were targeting was Assad. The money came from the CIA. Yeah that’s the ticket.
Fred ™
August 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Seems like not too long ago there was a young man and his girlfriend who had similar things in mind. Friends of Bozo, I might add. Now they are teaching at some University in Chicago.
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Bullcrap, Bozo has been dead since 2008 and he was 83 when he died. I doubt his friends are teaching anywhere.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
Call it like it is, I stand by my post. It’s too bad that you can’t stand up to the GOP and tell them to quit embracing radical types. Now let’s be clear….I have no idea if these accused are GOP members. I do know that when the GOP candidate suggests that the President is not born in this country (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and when the constant harping is that “he is not American”, the GOP stands proud (see, Trump, Newt and the other members of the clown car parade speaking to the GOP this week, including
76 birthers)…but when the results of their encouragement bears fruit (whether actually affirmatively intended or merely because of their reckless behavior), the standard is of course to whine and claim “why we neva…..”John McCain stood tall when he stopped the crazy and said Obama is a US citizen….Mitt continues to go the low road and its a whistlecall to the fruitcakes and extremists.
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
I’d strongly advise folks not to get too far out ahead on this. As AP notes, this is being described as an “anarchist militia,” and who the hell knows what that means?
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No Jay, they were right wing nutjobs.
And since we both KNOW that communists always use violence to further their cause, the MUST be Obama zombies.
Those ultra rightwing far left bigots will be the death of this country.
/sarc
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
Congrats! 1st post tries to smear the GOP.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Fred, 1:15,
No, Fred….. you’ve got it wrong. Bozo is alive and well and occupying government housing in DC. Tell me, why do you make this a race thing, Fred?
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
Treason charges are rarely brought and hard to prove. And the punishment can be surprisingly light.
In the military, a charge of treason can get you hanged; especially during a time of war.
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Seems like not too long ago there was a young man and his girlfriend who had similar things in mind. Friends of Bozo, I might add. Now they are teaching at some University in Chicago.
I don’t want to get banned since this is a great topic BUT — dude, WAKE UP! You can’t really, honestly, seriously be that dumb! Can you?
Adam
August 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
LUNCH
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
Radical cons acceptance into the gop is a horrible idea.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
“John McCain stood tall when he stopped the crazy and said Obama is a US citizen”
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If McCain would have stood tall and picked the Veep running mate he wanted instead of allowing the far right looney bin cram Sarah Palin down his (and our) throat, he would have won the Presidency. They have only themselves to blame. 4 years later what has the GOP learned? Nothing, instead they want to double-down.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
Madmax, if the truth is a smear, that would be your fault for failing to stop your parties’ radicalism. Take personal responsibility and tell your party leaders to quit the codes and the dog whistles.
SheeshLouise
August 27th, 2012
1:24 pm
No different than when the U.S. sought to freeze accounts that they suspected had been funding terrorist operations overseas, what makes you think our home grown terrorists and militias are not funded by simlar means?? People need to pull their heads out of their behinds! CNBC aired a documentary one time “Dangerously Rich:Billionaire Super Security”, and “Billionaire Security: Ultimate Protection Measures”.Check it out. It gives a lot of insight into the lengths that the rich and super rich are willing to go to to “protect” themselves, families and their “stuff”. Think it to be far fetched that the “rich” and “super rich” in this country could be funding these militia groups? Think it to be far-fetched that people like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck, who use their platforms the way that the do could also somehow fund these types of people to give the ultimate support to the agenda? Think again.
Ron Paul had it right at his convention yesterday. The biggest threat to the U.S. is Fascism. All this big money and big money people have an agenda, and as long as there are “loners”, “nuts”, “lone wolves” and other brainwashed rubes who are out here to take their money filtered through whatever anonymous channels and arm themselves up and cause chaos and do their bidding, hey…what do they care? THEIR interests are served, their “stuff” and families are PROTECTED!
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
1:25 pm
I was at Ft Stewart Saturday, (which is neither here nor there).
Some people here think this was just a cool story to cop a plea to.
To save their stinkin hides.
Something down from Murder 1, which could get them the lethal
jection table, and rightfully so.
These boys were into some illegal stuff, alright.
but they couldn’t overthrow a 7-11.
I’m not pretending to speak for SE Georgia here, but I am sure a
significant majority of the local people would like to see all 4 of them
publicly executed on the town square, for what we know they’ve
already done.
On another note, if this story is true – this is what a bazillion dollars
worth of unlimited hate propaganda poured into young ignorant
undereducated minds can do. And we know who to thank for that.
Thanks.
(you can pull this if it’s inappropriate, but i think its pretty accurate)
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
Jay
August 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
Live, there’s no indication that these are Georgians. They are soldiers who were stationed here.
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Come on Jay.
You know the just HAVE to be redneck, backwoods, hillbilly,inbred, trailerpark rubes.
They were into guns so that must make them one or all of the above.
Those uberfarleft anarchists.
Always messing stuff up.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
1:27 pm
M. Marcus — “In the military, a charge of treason can get you hanged; especially during a time of war.”
Yes, but that’s not the situation here. And given the wording of the statute, I’m not sure if prosecutors could *prove* it.
yuzeyurbrane
August 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
Terrorism in this country has almost always been by right-wing Americans. Ku Klux Klan anyone? I recently read an article about how skin-heads and other Nazi type groups were actively having their members volunteer for military service in order to receive taxpayer paid military training, that they had been forming cells and gangs, and that the Defense Dept. had started an investigation into this. It doesn’t surprise me that some could not wait to leave the military before using their new skills. Tea Partyers, what do you think about this development? You reap what you sow.
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
Mark Curran
August 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
IF you listened to hate radio all day, and those goofy Southern lunatics praising child torturing slave masters ( I wont mention any names but they rhyme with Lee and Davis), you would go starking raving mad too.
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And you KNOW they listened to “hate radio” how?
Or are you just ASSuming?
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
1:29 pm
Mr. Marcus, 1:21,
I’ll take it really slow so you can understand….OK?. The guy’s name was Bill Ayres, a retired professor from the University of Chicago who is now married to a woman named Bernadine Dorn. Ayres founded the Weather Underground, a communist revolutionary group. Ayres and his buddies bombed several buildings, including police stations, the Pentagon and the US Capitol. Bozo had his political start in Bill Ayres’s living room. Now who is the dumbass?
Grasshopper
August 27th, 2012
1:29 pm
Refresh my memory — I know he’s not the president but was the Black Panther bounty on Zimmerman ever discussed on this blog?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman
Sophie's Choice
August 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
Yeah, Call It Like It Is(n’t)– because so many teabagger & militia types self-identify as Democrats, right?
This is a disgrace to all the armed forces personnel who’re faithfully, lawfully, and professionally discharging their duties of loyalty to their Commander in Chief, even if they disagree with his politics. These plotters ought to be charged with and prosecuted for high treason. But it didn’t start with them– oh, no. All these right-wing pundits masquerading as journalists & talk radio blubberbutts who’re constantly frothing at the mouth about Obama have helped to create this atmosphere of hatred, this pervasive mentality of “us vs. Them”, and I’m sick of these bloviators getting away with it. You can’t wink your eye & advocate for anarchy whilst hiding behind the 1st Amendment, and expect a certain segment of the population not to take you seriously. Those who want to claim the left is equally as bad as the right with such sheninigans are just flat-out WRONG– you didn’t hear about left-leaning folk plotting to overthrow the government when Dubya was in office, nor did you see the left-leaning press tacitly encouraging such antics, either. If these charges are proven, I hope these miserable excuses for “soldiers”, as well as their financial backers, are punished to the maximum extent allowed under the law.
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:32 pm
Keep – There a big difference between the truth and your fantasized version of reality. Your hysteria and fear of those who don’t think like you is showing again. I suggest you follow Jay’s suggestion to not jump to any conclusions but then that wouldn’t fit in with your agenda, would it?
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:32 pm
As usual, the cons deflect and sling poo.
It does not work here radicals.
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
1:32 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
I doubt many of our Second Amendments remedies crowd will stand up and discourage this nonsense. How many people must continue to die because of these “loners” and “self-appointed vigilantes” that seem so very close to the extreme GOPpers.
And just what is your solution to nut jobs like this…please do tell
Jack
August 27th, 2012
1:32 pm
Those four soldiers probably weren’t potty trained or weaned correctly. Surely it’s not their fault; it’s gotta be somebody else’s fault. Gotta get ‘em into rehab and then a foster home. Lil’ darlings likely came from a broken home with no father figure and on & on….
Donovan
August 27th, 2012
1:33 pm
Looks like a right wing conspiracy to me. Yup, you know those Republicans. They will do anything to out do Obama’s buddy, Bill Ayers.
Please…is this the best you can do to chum the waters for your little sharks to feed on?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
K71 — “Bozo had his political start in Bill Ayres’s living room. Now who is the dumbass?”
Why, that’d be YOU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_presidential_election_controversy
USMC
August 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
“I think it’s safe to say that these anarchists are not likely to be part of any radical left wing group operating out of Georgia.”–Taxpayer
Yeah, unfortunately those guys were too busy up in Chicago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-5-wounded-in-shootings-across-the-city-20120825,0,7823757.story
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
I think the gop going radical to fight against our President after a collapse caused the radical cons over the edge.
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
“Terrorism in this country has almost always been by right-wing Americans”
Does Bookman mention what party they belonged to? I need to reread it, I must’ve missed that.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
Yes, but that’s not the situation here. And given the wording of the statute, I’m not sure if prosecutors could *prove* it.
The standards of proof are a lot less in a military court. This is one i’d give to the military to prosecute — especially if the “act” (murder of the two); happened on the base, and their bodies were moved afterwards. If it goes to the local DA; she’d be burderned with a lot of “rights” for the accused. In a military court, that burden is greatly lifted.
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That Black Guy – no he doesnt know NOR was he saying exclusively that they listened to hate radio. What he was saying is that it could be a POSSIBIITY.
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
1:36 pm
While I do agree if they are found guilty, hang em like many have suuggested, I find it funny that many of the same liberals were crying about waterboading terrorist but when its our own they screaming for their heads before they even go on trial…talk about hypocrisy
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
More of your tax dollars wasted .Cut military spending NOW.
Aquagirl
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
But…but….BILL AYERS!
Con Derail Express leaving now on track #3. And y’all would just love to herd us on there, right? Anything to avoid discussing crazies in 2012 with $87,000 worth of weapons and military training.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
M. Marcus — “The standards of proof are a lot less in a military court. This is one i’d give to the military to prosecute — especially if the “act” (murder of the two); happened on the base, and their bodies were moved afterwards. If it goes to the local DA; she’d be burderned with a lot of “rights” for the accused. In a military court, that burden is greatly lifted.”
Completely agree, but IIRC, the murders took place off-post.
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
For all of those who talk about right wing talk radio as being the problem: There is more “hate talk” from the left on this site than there is in a year’s worth of listening to all the right wing radio show hosts combined. It must be a very scary world to you.
Sophie's Choice
August 27th, 2012
1:39 pm
Joe Hussein @ 1:34: RIGHT ON, brother!
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:39 pm
Guess who proposed to audit the Pentagon?
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
yuzeyurbrane
August 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
Terrorism in this country has almost always been by right-wing Americans. Ku Klux Klan anyone?
Democrats started the KKK…try again
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
Well Mark, you will never be able to start all nut jobs. You can make it tougher and you can stand up when someone talks about “second amendment remedies” and that the President is not legitimate for whatever made up reason and say: He is our duly elected President. If you don’t like his policies, then you have representation to try to change that and you have a vote in elections. We do not have any violent remedies against lawfully and peacefully elected officials and NO ONE should advocate or even suggest that such violent remedies are an option
Again, its a shame that many extreme GOPpers (including those like Ted Nugent) cannot do that. I hope that moderate GOPpers will stand up and say enough is enough. Frankly, it does not matter whether the crazies are on the right or left….. enough is enough.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
stop not start
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
How did this become a Democrat/Republican thing?
b-troll
August 27th, 2012
1:43 pm
“LUDOWICI, Ga.”
If you know anything about South GA, you know strange things happen in Ludowici.
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
Keep, you still didnt answer the question…how do we make it tougher on these crazy idiots that are going around shooting people
F. Sinkwich
August 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
I have a well-placed source who confirmed that these idiots are Occutard refuges from that park in NYC…
DawgDad
August 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
“Tea Partyers, what do you think about this development? You reap what you sow.”
What an utterly idiotic comment. I would advise you STRONGLY to attend a Tea Party meeting. Otherwise, your blind ignorance will likely continue unabated.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
Aquagirl, 1:38,
I think that any reasonable American who viewed what was supposedly done at Ft. Stewart, if it is true, would never condone that kind of behavior. We are a nation of laws, or at least we used to be, and this kind of behavior, again, if true, has no place in the spectra of what is considered truly American. Unfortunately, when one political party or persuasion cherry picks an incident like this and ignores all of the myriad of events that have happened over the years by others of a different persuasion, the hypocrisy is just too much to ignore. We all have our skeletons which we hide in closets and are very hesitant to reveal. And the Tea Party had nothing to do with this charade. Why they are just a bunch of old white haired brown shirted Nazis with lawn chairs….. nome, sayin’?
lovelyliz
August 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight! They aren’t nearly as extreme as you would think
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:48 pm
dawg,
Tell us about these “meetings”.
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:49 pm
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
For all of those who talk about right wing talk radio as being the problem: There is more “hate talk” from the left on this site than there is in a year’s worth of listening to all the right wing radio show hosts combined. It must be a very scary world to you.
___________________________________________________
The “hate” comes from BOTH sides.
But BOTH sides blame the other because they agree with “hate” coming from *their* side.
Kinda like football. They never complain when a offensive tackle on *our* team holds a defensive player on *their* team because “Hey, it’s *us* doing it to *them*, so it’s ok.”
What they don’t get is BOTH teams are f**king up the game.
Matti
August 27th, 2012
1:51 pm
I’m getting scared.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
1:51 pm
The gop decided not to be united after a collapse and focus on getting our President.
The gop nominee does nothing but lie about our President and selects a radical rw con who believes fiction is reality as vp.
What did you expect to happen after all this radical rhetoric?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
liz, I disagree but I understand where you are coming from. The problem is that with the shift of the GOP to the extreme right to placate these extremists as the GOP shrinks, it appears that while they are far from mainstream America, the number of extremist views appear to be a louder and growing segment of the GOP party. Again, rather than claim birtherism is for the extreme nuts, their candidate embraces it and their party embraces the birther nuts….
b-troll
August 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
Ahh, Ludowici
The town gained notoriety during the 1950s and 1960s for its aggressive traffic enforcement policies. The AAA went so far as to specifically label Ludowici as a speed trap.[citation needed] Before interstate highways were constructed, all motorists traveled on regular U.S. highways. Ludowici was at the crossroads of three U.S. highways, Routes 25, 82 and 301.[5]
Members of the local police force were allegedly engaging in manipulation of the timing of the traffic signal downtown so as to catch unsuspecting out-of-area motorists ‘running’ a suddenly changed red light. The switch for the stop light was located in the barber shop. This activity subsequently came to an end when then-Governor Lester Maddox stated that the practices of the Ludowici police were giving the entire state a bad reputation.[citation needed] Word of mouth and media exposure caused many motorists to detour around Ludowici.[5] A 1970 TIME article said that Ludowici was “one of the last remaining speed traps in the country.”[4] The traffic light was at an intersection that was bypassed by a shortcut (Main Street – see a local map) so that local residents would not even come to the light when making the turn at the light. Thus, all the tickets went to nonresidents without the police having to be selective since no locals would be at the light.
Grasshopper
August 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
So what happens to these 4 soldiers if they are illegal immigrants trying to get papers by serving in the military?
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:53 pm
While Jay continues to throw chum to his masses, what has this to do with the correcting our financial difficulties or getting the 23 million unemployed back to work? Answer nothing, but Jay hopes it takes the attention away from the real problems of this nation and our lack of progress in solving them by getting folks to focus on a few nut cases.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
1:53 pm
Not that I’m indifferent to the goings on at Fort Stewart(did my early teen years there), I find this more fascinating…
Is Barack Obama A Modern Eisenhower?
http://thecoolship.com/2012/03/14/is-barack-obama-a-modern-eisenhower/
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
1:53 pm
Again, rather than claim birtherism is for the extreme nuts, their candidate embraces it and their party embraces the birther nuts….
Keep,…. that simply is not true…Romney has said many times is has no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
1:54 pm
So what happens to these 4 soldiers if they are illegal immigrants trying to get papers by serving in the military?
And that matters why? They need to be prosecuted and anyone who says that there are violent remedies (aka “second amendment remedies”) should never be embraced as representative of anything other than nutjobs. Whether on the right or left.
Pita
August 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
Someone mentioned charging them with more stringent charges – This guy probably flipped and ratted out the others and got lesser charges for pleading guilty. this is very disturbing, indeed.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
Demonize, dehumanize, objectify your target. Fox “News” wouldn’t do that! Would they!
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
Grasshopper
August 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
So what happens to these 4 soldiers if they are illegal immigrants trying to get papers by serving in the military?
__________________________________________
I’m embarrassed for you.
Aquagirl
August 27th, 2012
1:58 pm
I think that any reasonable American who viewed what was supposedly done at Ft. Stewart, if it is true, would never condone that kind of behavior.
I call BS. You can’t talk about “the Kenyan” and play footsie with these people all day, then show fake outrage when they actually DO something.
Grown-ups learn to own their actions, and not cry “lookit what Billy did!” I’m sorry you can’t move beyond 3rd grade. But I didn’t buy that line from my kids, and I’m not buying it from you either.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
Mark T., in answer to your question, I believe it’s because someone else at your place of employment — and I know it’s not you — has been posting racist, inflammatory material on this blog and his IP address as a result has been blocked.
His IP address is the same as yours, since you both work at the same place.
I’ll do what I can to address it.
Steve Shamrock
August 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
Jay – “I’d strongly advise folks not to get too far out ahead on this.”…but Jay devotes a blog to it…what a moron.
I guess since unemployment and the debt are in fine shape…Jay has time for this.
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:49 pm
No argument from me on the game being messed up by both sides. Just get tired of hearing the same old tripe everytime a nut case shows up. And since I am a conservative and lean somewhat to the tea party side of the GOP, I get tired of some people distorting things and calling me names, even when I take into consideration the source of the name calling.
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
Mark T: Democrats started the KKK…try again
What does that have to do with what the poster said? He said nothing about party affiliation. He said right-wing, which typically means conservative. There were conservative Democrats within the Democratic Party just as there were liberal Republicans in the GOP at one time. Your knee-jerk reaction is hilarious and it shows your complete ignorance of history.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Mark, perhaps you ought to check out Mitt’s birther “joke”…. you can spin all you want but we know Mitt is the master flip, flopper…so don’t try to tell us that the weathervane politician actually has a definitive position after a wink, wink, nudge, nudge stupidity play. And you still have not explained why there are birthers speaking at the RNC convention. But hey, I encourage you to contact Mitt and have him just say on that stage in a clear voice to the entire GOP party “There is no doubt that President Obama is a US citizen.”
weetamoe
August 27th, 2012
2:03 pm
*A well regulated militia* —the regulated part is the most important, and only an individual exercising his right to bear arms can guarantee that. Imagine an emergency resulting in the president declaring martial law and the guys assigned to your region decide to *get lickered up* and *have some fun* with the young girls in your family. I guess you could sic the family poodle on them.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
2:07 pm
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:53 pm
While Jay continues to throw chum to his masses, what has this to do with the correcting our financial difficulties or getting the 23 million unemployed back to work?
may i suggest 1 800 JOBS JOBS JOBS or http://www.boehner.house.gov
TBone
August 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
With Joe Biden as VP, I don’t think this could be considered a serious threat. Biden’s better than Dan Quayle ever was.
kimmer
August 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to claim the ridiculous notion that conservative talk radio is to blame. And follow that up whining about ‘hate’. First of all, disagreeing with a political philosophy and those who espouse it is not ‘hate’ even if it is done for 3 or 4 hours every day and even if the host is frequently considered obnoxious. Secondly, the only reason that talk radio is so overwhelmingly conservative is because the so called mainstream media is so liberal.
Only a weak minded democrat who draws less than $40K from the government blames a radio host for nutcase violence.
Adam
August 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
Seriously guys, trying to overthrow the government is treason. For real. We may be shy about admitting that but that’s the truth.
Who cares whether they were right wing or just plain nuts? People like that need to be stopped, no matter who is in office.
Adam
August 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
TBG: Good to see ya. You’re spinning some humor today
I’m lovin it.
Adam
August 27th, 2012
2:10 pm
His IP address is the same as yours, since you both work at the same place.
Creeeeeeepy…..
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 27th, 2012
2:11 pm
Geez! Back when I was in the Army we were lucky to have some money to buy the 10 cent beer on base. Now you got a bunch of low level enlisted men that come up with 87,000 bucks to buy weapons. It looks like we need to do to the military what we done to the worthless federal workers: freeze their pay for a few years—no offense, Brocephus.
Otherwise I hope these rebels recall who their friends are when they come looking to whack people. Kill all the libruls you can find, but don’t touch a hair on a Republican’s head.
Simple Truths
August 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
Isn’t this the plot of that series on Showtime?
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
2:13 pm
Oh ok Jay…ill use a different email from now on …thanks
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:14 pm
TBone @ 2:09 — Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!
Thomas Heyward Jr
August 27th, 2012
2:14 pm
If it’s Federal Proscecutors…………I wouldn’t really worry about it, considering their “affirmative action for tards’ program.
What a joke.
A former Justice Department lawyer, who publishes at PJ Tatler, has
obtained documents from the Justice Department detailing efforts to recruit attorneys and staff . . . who have “psychiatric disabilities” or “severe intellectual disabilities.” On May 31, 2012, Assistant Attorney General Tom Perez issued a directive to affirmatively recruit people with these “targeted disabilities.”
This DOJ policy does not merely involve prohibitions against discrimination, but rather the documents reveal deliberate recruitment efforts to hire as attorneys and staff for the Department of Justice people suffering from psychiatric disorders and intellectual disabilities. Moreover, applicants can “self-identify” their disability by means of the “Standard Form 256, Self Identification Disability.”
Those with “targeted disabilities” may be hired through a “non-competitive” appointment. That means they don’t have to endure the regular civil service competition among applicants, but can be plucked from the stack of resumes and hired immediately instead.
According to the documents, those with these “targeted disabilities” may be hired “before the position is advertised” and even “before the position’s closing date.” Moreover, lawyers with psychiatric disabilities and “severe intellectual” disabilities receive a waiver from the requirement that a new DOJ employee have practiced law for one year before being hired.
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
2:14 pm
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
Mark T: Democrats started the KKK…try again
What does that have to do with what the poster said? He said nothing about party affiliation. He said right-wing, which typically means conservative. There were conservative Democrats within the Democratic Party just as there were liberal Republicans in the GOP at one time. Your knee-jerk reaction is hilarious and it shows your complete ignorance of
If that helps you sleep at night…ok
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
2:15 pm
Jay backs off of the conspiracy theory after injecting it. Right. Rush to judgement again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
…the only reason that talk radio is so overwhelmingly conservative…
Only?
Piffle.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
The issues, my friends, the issues. Sandra Fluckes BC pills might win you a few votes but not an election. Some nut case at Ft. Stewart might have demonstrated his severe lack of judgement and his stupidity but that won’t win you very many votes either. Over 20M people are out of work. That’s a bit hard to side step, even though you try your best to ignore it with fluff indignation and telling only half stories. 71 days.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
kimmer — “First of all, disagreeing with a political philosophy and those who espouse it is not ‘hate’ even if it is done for 3 or 4 hours every day and even if the host is frequently considered obnoxious.”
Let me guess . . . the philosophy in question would be SOSHULIZUM, right?
ZOMGGGGGGG
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
Keep…Im sure you agree with everyones positon in the Democratic party…there all perfect
Newby
August 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
MadMax and Steve-
Why don’t you each srart your own blog, wherein you can write about what you want, instead of continually whining that Jay is not writing what you want him to write?
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Granny how about our President sitting down, out of the limelight and working with the GOP? Seems like he got kinda carried away with himself and forgot there are 3 branches of government and he only represents 1 branch. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it for you again; all of the presidents in history, and the ones i’ve been witness to, going back to IKE, have been able to muster bi-partisan support when needed. Why this one can’t is something he needs to address. Generally when you run into insurmountable problems, you will find both the problem and the solution in the mirror.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Moreover, lawyers with psychiatric disabilities and “severe intellectual” disabilities receive a waiver from the requirement that a new DOJ employee have practiced law for one year before being hired.
Uh, ain’t they all a little crazy and dumb as a bag of hammers? No offense, Raghead.
Grasshopper
August 27th, 2012
2:19 pm
Steve Shamrock
August 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
“Jay – “I’d strongly advise folks not to get too far out ahead on this.”…but Jay devotes a blog to it…what a moron.
I guess since unemployment and the debt are in fine shape…Jay has time for this.”
Our gracious host does not like to be called a moron Mr. Shamrock. How he reacts to his posts being called moronic may be a different question however.
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
2:20 pm
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
Mark T: Democrats started the KKK…try again
What does that have to do with what the poster said? He said nothing about party affiliation. He said right-wing, which typically means conservative. There were conservative Democrats within the Democratic Party just as there were liberal Republicans in the GOP at one time. Your knee-jerk reaction is hilarious and it shows your complete ignorance of
If that helps you sleep at night…ok
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
2:20 pm
Keep…Im sure you agree with everyones positon in the Democratic party…there all perfect
skydog
August 27th, 2012
2:21 pm
$87,000 worth of guns is not but 6 guns if you bought them from Gov. Deals son-in-law`s now defunct sporting good store.
When I was working in Port Authur, TX right after the elections NO store within 100 miles had ANY ammo of any caliber.
Since there are very few Dems in east Texas who do you think bought all those bullets?
Grasshopper
August 27th, 2012
2:21 pm
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
Grasshopper
August 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
“So what happens to these 4 soldiers if they are illegal immigrants trying to get papers by serving in the military?
__________________________________________
I’m embarrassed for you.”
Don’t concern yourself with my tender psyche…just theorize on the question Black Guy.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
T. Heyward — “If it’s Federal Proscecutors…………I wouldn’t really worry about it, considering their “affirmative action for tards’ program. What a joke.”
Link, please.
All too often, we discover that things are not actually as cons represent them.
Why, just last week, a Saturday Night Live sketch that Al Franken once worked on was represented as something he actually said and as views he actually held.
So evidence, please.
Bernie
August 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
Not to worry…the expected Jail time will be only a Max of (5) five years! Just like the bunch up North of Atlanta. Nothing going on…just doing a little talking. They are just Good ole Boys!
But let any of you BROWN People, Do, Think, or say such things. You can expect LIFE plus 20years and a ALL expense paid first class trip to COLORADO!
Adam
August 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
Over 20M people are out of work.
This is not actually true. That number represents some unemployed, but also people who are working but want to work MORE.
Don't Tread
August 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
I’m sure it’s Bush’s fault.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
2:23 pm
Obama and the Dems aren’t exactly friends of the military – what with their plan to dismantle and put our heroes out of work to save their socialist Ponzi scheme known as Obama Care.
TrishaDishaWarEagle
August 27th, 2012
2:23 pm
so Bookman, Still gonna claim obama is beloved by the rank and file military? hahahahaha
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
If it’s Federal Proscecutors…………I wouldn’t really worry about it, considering their “affirmative action for tards’ program.
Well, we know where your next job application’s going. You’re a shoo-in for a top level appointment.
RON PAUL 2012!!!!
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
Grasshopper, 2:19,
Our “gracious host” has his back against the wall. Bookman is anything but a moron, however, his ignoring the real issues that this election is all about speaks volumes about his bias and narrow view of the nation as a whole. We have really severe problems that he and other liberals won’t talk about, ignore and generally make believe do not exist. But they do exist and the electorate knows it.
deegee
August 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
What a great country we live in. Don’t get stopped by the cops carrying $1,000.00 in your pocket but you can buy $87K worth of weaponry and no one blinks an eye.
Adam
August 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
Madmax: Granny how about our President sitting down, out of the limelight and working with the GOP?
I take it you are unaware that the GOP actually made a plan on inauguration day that they would not do anything the President wanted? It was a potentially big joke that every time Obama agreed with the right wing, or worked with them, that they got up from the table and left. But it turns out that it was an actual calculated attempt to make the President look like he couldn’t get anything done so the GOP could win elections.
And that’s jackassery.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:25 pm
87K worth of guns? He might contact Eric Holder and get a better deal.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:27 pm
K71 — “Bookman is anything but a moron, however, his ignoring the real issues that this election is all about speaks volumes about his bias and narrow view of the nation as a whole.”
Yeah, because it’s so *timely and topical* to bring up Bill Ayers.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
I can’t believe you said that. if you do go back as far as Eisenhower, then you are at least as old as I. Then you know that throughout the years from then to now, there has never been a Congress less motivated to working with the President. Filibusters in the Senate, and no hope of bipartisanship in the House when the vowed Republican sentiment was to do whatever it takes to make President Obama a one term President,,,even if it means flushing this country down the crapper. The Republican strategy is corporate run top down government and if you don’t quit listening to what they say and pay more attention to what they do, you are going to feel very foolish one day, mark my words.
GT
August 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
Every day stuff here, turn the television on this very moment and there will be a movie sounding like this going on. When did the bad guys become the good guys? When I was a kid wearing the black hat sucked, now they are fighting over it. I wish we had a graph on this stuff like we do on the economy, watching a curve of when the dark side started taking over the light. When dyed red haired people went into theaters and blew away masses of people. The GOP seemed to love being the radical nuts, gun enthusiast, no respect for our president and we wonder where all this comes from…
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
Joe, 2:27,
You know what I am saying. Threads like this that depict conservatives as crazy gun nuts and ignore all of the things that seem to happen on both sides of the argument prompted my comments. We both have our crosses to bear, Joe. No one is exempt.
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
Adam – and you don’t think thqat other presidents have not run into opposition? That’s “jackassery”
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
T. D. WarEagle — “so Bookman, Still gonna claim obama is beloved by the rank and file military? hahahahaha”
I hope you’re not going to try to claim that those four dimwitted loose cannons are typical of the “rank and file military.” (laughing, pointing)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
…just theorize on the question Black Guy.
Didn’t click on Aquagirl’s 1:05 link, didja?
Sgt. Anthony Peden, 25, Pfc. Michael Burnett, 26, Pvt. Christopher Salmon, 25, and Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 19, are charged in the murders of Roark and York.
“Just theorize[ing]” here, but only one of those names sounds like a foreigner to me.
I’m embarrassed for you.
Aquagirl
August 27th, 2012
2:32 pm
Link, please. All too often, we discover that things are not actually as cons represent them.
Here’s the original memo. The fact it includes all kinds of disabilities (including blindness and paralysis) and that they can’t exclude mental disabilities out of hand by law is just a small point to our con buddies.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103537370/Targeted-Disab
They cherry picked the “intellectual disability” that couldn’t, by law, be excluded and turned this into Mr. Heyward’s charming ‘Tard Lawyers Everywhere!!!!!!! meme.
And of course guys like Kayaker won’t utter a peep about this sick behavior, even when it’s somebody right here.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
K71 — “You know what I am saying. Threads like this that depict conservatives as crazy gun nuts and ignore all of the things that seem to happen on both sides of the argument prompted my comments. We both have our crosses to bear, Joe. No one is exempt.”
And I think you know that I’m saying, K71.
Seems to me that if you’re so peeved about folks straying from the topics you find important, then you might want to exert some effort to keep the conversation going in the ‘right’ direction, not tossing out silly nuggets yourself (e.g. Bill Ayers).
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Granny how about our President sitting down, out of the limelight and working with the GOP? Seems like he got kinda carried away with himself and forgot there are 3 branches of government and he only represents 1 branch. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it for you again; all of the presidents in history, and the ones i’ve been witness to, going back to IKE, have been able to muster bi-partisan support when needed. Why this one can’t is something he needs to address. Generally when you run into insurmountable problems, you will find both the problem and the solution in the mirror.
How about NOT
The “for it” when it was a republican concept that morfed into the
“against it” for a sitting Democratic President makes trusting the GOP ever again a fools choice.
The word of the GOP is no damn good anymore.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
Keep…Im sure you agree with everyones positon in the Democratic party…there all perfect
Mark, do you always argue with absurd comments trying to put words in the mouths of others? Seems to show the weakness of your commentary.
If you go back, I have clearly referenced extremists. However let’s remember that the speakers and candidates speaking at the RNC convention are suppose to be representative of the party and its platform. Are you telling me that Ryan and Romney are extremists? Newt? Trump?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
Aquagirl — “They cherry picked the “intellectual disability” that couldn’t, by law, be excluded and turned this into Mr. Heyward’s charming ‘Tard Lawyers Everywhere!!!!!!! meme.”
Thank you, ma’am! Another con attempt at dishonesty and misrepresentation EXPOSED, and in record time, too!
I luvs me some Aquagirl.
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
1:49 pm
No argument from me on the game being messed up by both sides. Just get tired of hearing the same old tripe everytime a nut case shows up. And since I am a conservative and lean somewhat to the tea party side of the GOP, I get tired of some people distorting things and calling me names, even when I take into consideration the source of the name calling.
________________________________________________________
I understand, and I agree about the name calling.
Some of the nastiest things one American can call another American have been over politics.
BOTH SIDES!!!!!
I spent yesterday at the hospital with a friend. She has 2 aneurisms and they are going to operate on her brain today.
When they lifeflighted her to Emory, I don’t think she asked the pilot if he/she was a “dummycrat or a repukelican”
When the nurses and doctors were treating and stabilizing her I doubt she wondered if they were going to vote for “Mittens RobMe or Obozo”.
When they take her into surgery this afternoon she won’t be thinking about “Mormon Underpants or Muslim Marxist”.
What she was/will be thinking about is that she will get the best care from fellow AMERICANS who take their jobs seriously and care about other people.
And you can bet your AZZ they will be libs and cons, repubs and dems, left, right and center. And they will take GREAT care of her.
You know why?
Because they care about HER and couldn’t give a flying F**K about her politics.
Paul
August 27th, 2012
2:36 pm
Nuts are everywhere and in large organizations they may find each other and the nuttiness rises exponentially.
If it turns out as reported, some guys are going to spend a long, long, long time in Leavenworth.
Joe Hussein Mama
“Yeah, like a PFC is going to have his act lined up well enough to “take over Fort Stewart: with three buddies.”
Not too sure about that. They may have spent time in a foxhole and been in life and death situations, so they have instant cred with being able to do all sorts of fantastical things, don’tcha’ know?
deegee
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
“So what happens to these 4 soldiers if they are illegal immigrants trying to get papers by serving in the military?”
HAHAHAHA! There is so much wrong with that statement I don’t know where to start. If an illegal immigrant can be admitted into the military with a fake social security card then we have a lot more important problems. If I’m an illegal immigrant that wants to stay in the US, then the last thing I’m going to do is take myself down to the Army recruiting office and fill out an application. If I’m an illegal immigrant that is thinking about staying in the US but not quite sure, then why would I want to risk my life for a country that detests me so much that they might not even give me a green card after I served?
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
That Black guy, 2:35,
Good post.
independent thinker
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
Jay – I keep telling you that you just do not get the dangers lurking behind the second amendment crowd and what Scalia and the NRA have unleashed in their interpretation of that amendment. The gun toting crowd believe that they have a right to be heavily armed if the federal government takes away any of their rights and that they are the well regulated militia found in the amendment. All the white supremacists, xenophobes, Muslim haters etc. are ready to carry this to an extreme and look out if Obama gets reelected. Why do you think those Sikhs were killed.??? Same folks are volunteering for military training for their supposed day of reckoning. And they ain’t voting for Obama– thats for sure. Just do a gun control; anti second amendment piece and they all will come out here in full view.
Smokewagon
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
A muslim officer killing our troops in the name of Allah and our govt. labels this as “workplace violence”??? This is why stuff like this is happening. Wake up people.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
Paul — “Not too sure about that. They may have spent time in a foxhole and been in life and death situations, so they have instant cred with being able to do all sorts of fantastical things, don’tcha’ know?”
What is this, Call of Duty III or something?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
SHEETS!
joe
August 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
Perhaps they were part of Holder’s Fast & Furious program. Heck, if Jay can speculate, so can I.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
August 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
That Black Guy-
Good luck to your friend. Emory has some of the best Neurosurgeon’s in the business. They successfully operated on my wife. I’m pulling for your friend!
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
2:41 pm
No, what I am saying is while I consider myself a Republican, I might not always have the same views as every member of the Republican party…for instance, while I am pro life, I believe abortions should be legal in cases of rape..but one different issue is not gonna make me switch sides. You liberals seem to think Obama can do no wrong
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
Aquagirl, 2:32,
I wasn’t aware that an employer hired an employee because he/she was disabled so much as if they were qualified to do the job and just happened to be disabled. The article mentions over 100K employees as a target. You might think that the government is in the business of giving away jobs to just anyone who shows up in a wheelchair but qualifications, ability to perform and background take the place of a disability any day.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
Right – so everyone that is for us having our 2nd amendment rights are anti gub’ment lunatics? There are plenty of nut cases on the left that want to take our constitutional rights away from us and destroy the American dream for their socialist, Marxist agenda. Breaking down the military is step #1 on their agenda.
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
Adam
August 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
TBG: Good to see ya. You’re spinning some humor today I’m lovin it.
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Hey Adam, how are you?
It’s kinda “dark” humor after thinking about what my friend and her family is going through.
The “L vs R” bs is getting old.
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
Mark T: If that helps you sleep at night…ok
I’m not the one with the knee-jerking issue. Anytime somebody mentions the ideology of the KKK, there’s an automatic knee jerk reaction to try to pin it on a political party in order to take the spotlight off the ideology. If that’s what helps you sleep at night as a modern-day conservative, who am I to rain on your parade? You seem to have more of a problem with it than I do.
southpaw
August 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
The financing has been tracked down, at least. The founder and leader of the “militia” received an insurance settlement after the death of his wife. With this money, he could have spent 5 times the $87,000 and still had money left over. Whether the soldiers have any political leaning other than “anarchist” remains to be seen.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/08/ap-soldiers-terror-plot-082712/
Paul
August 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
independent thinker
“I keep telling you that you just do not get the dangers lurking behind the second amendment crowd and what Scalia ”
You may want to reevaluate that line of thought.
“Scalia opens door for gun control legislation”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/29/scalia-opens-door-for-gun-control-legislation/
It’s one thing for the NRA to demonize Pres Obama. Can’t wait to see what the do with Scalia.
For now, I’ll bet, for some strange, unfathomable reason, they’ll just ignore it.
Thomas Heyward Jr
August 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
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Go to the Federal DOJ website.
Look under———————————–Civil Rights Division(hiring of persons with targeted disabilities program).
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Considering the Federalies on this website……..I’m pretty sure that this program is Federal wide.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
Plot to kill the President? Notice carefully that Jay placed a question mark after the headline. He doesn’t know the facts yet and said so. Just wanted to play the right wing nut card today since it is overcast and boring outside.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
2:53 pm
No one wants to make a martyr out of Obama….. long live Obama – but in the private sector where he can cause less harm.
b-troll
August 27th, 2012
2:53 pm
Way down yonder in Ludowici,
The don’t tolerate none that sissy.
Iran with a xxxx ain’t no rinky dinkey,
So then they go all Hinckley.
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
That Black guy, 2:35,
Good post.
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K71, no offense, but I never read your posts (I saw my name when I scanned the page). You are part of the problem.
You are the right’s version of getalife and JamVet.
If you would back off the “Obozo’s” you would do alot better swaying others.
BTW, thank you for your service.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
Hinckley voted Dem – with a bullet for R. R. Nuts come in all shapes and sizes and parties.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
My comment “Go Dawgs” just got moderated. Guess you city boys are Tech fans? No one in his right mind would want Obama to come to any harm. Joe Biden in charge……. how frightening!
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
3:22 pm
Ky Yakker: Mr. Marcus, 1:21,
I’ll take it really slow so you can understand….OK?.</i<
oooooKay
The guy’s name was Bill Ayres, a retired professor from the University of Chicago who is now married to a woman named Bernadine Dorn.
What does he have to do with the military, this article or the price of cheese in wisconsin?
Ayres founded the Weather Underground, a communist revolutionary group. Ayres and his buddies bombed several buildings, including police stations, the Pentagon and the US Capitol.
Refer to my comments above ^^.
Bozo had his political start in Bill Ayres’s living room. Now who is the dumbass?
ANSWER: You are!! What does (pardon the shouting) ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE?
Also refer to my comments above concerning wisconsin, cheese, and whether you need really really good psychiatric help.
Oh I didn’t mention the help before did I? Sorry.
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Mid Ga Retiree
August 27th, 2012
3:38 pm
Just remember, people. There are nut-wings on both the left and the right. The right has the “birthers” and the left has Pelosi and Reed!
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
3:40 pm
That Black Guy
August 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
Agreed – My experience was no where near as serious as your friends but when I was mugged in KC (a long time ago), I don’t remember worrying about the politics of either the police or the guys in the ER at the time, though I did have some choice thoughts for the ER guy (after waiting two hours to get in to see him (my muggers used my head to play soccer), he talked to me for 30 secs and said I should clean the abraisions to my skull when I got back to the hotel. Probably determined that I didn’t have a concussion and that was the concern. Here’s hoping for a successful treatment and a speedy recovery.
ODD OWL
August 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
The secretary of Defense must begin an indept, systematic investigation of the four banches of the military, beginning with the highest ranking officiers and then working down through all the ranks… The Sect. of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff must purge the military of these turncoat traitors, who perpetrate acts of treason and sedition… We must weed out all of these anti American anarchists and neo-national socialist terrorists… Homeland security Secretary Janet Nepolitano warned the Congress and the American public about these anarchist militias about two years ago… The Republicans denied that America have a home grown, domestic terrorist problem… They laugh off Sect. Nepolitano’s report to Congress… Now the chickens are coming home to roost… The race baiting Republicans are the problem… If We the People vote the Republicans out of office, we can get rid of the problem…
Prosecutors: U.S. Troops At Fort Stewart Formed Militia, Plotted To Assassinate President Obama
August 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
[...] of this group, whatever it was, suggests that this was more than mere talk on their part. And, as Jay Bookman puts it, purchasing $87,000 worth of weaponry suggests that they were serious about this in some [...]
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
August 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
Over 20M people are out of work
Go to Webster’s Dictionary.
Look Up Bain Capital
See a picture of Romney
The End.
k71: Threads like this that depict conservatives as crazy gun nuts and ignore all of the things that seem to happen on both sides of the argument
Please name, in the last 30 years, all attempts on overthrowing the government that came from the left. PS: The weatherman were 40 years ago.
MoeAlity: Obama and the Dems aren’t exactly friends of the military – what with their plan to dismantle and put our heroes out of work to save their socialist Ponzi scheme known as Obama Care.
As TBG would say – “I’m ashamed for you”, I’ll add in though, “So are your children.”
Trisha – I’m embarassed that your blog name has War EAgle attached to it. It saddens me to know that an Alabama fan would stoop so low as to steal an emblem from Auburn. Shame. Trisha. Shame.
Craig Brasco
August 27th, 2012
3:46 pm
I just love how stereotypes are being perpetuated here. Believe it or not all kinds of people live in every single state of the Union. So, please by all means keep spouting your myopic view on the population southern states and how we they all “idiots”. Nice way to make a blanket statement!
yuzeyurbrane
August 27th, 2012
4:01 pm
Mark T @1:40–That is when the Republicans were the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt and the southern Democrats were indeed the right wing racists. So, what is your point? I don’t believe I labelled political parties in my original statement so it still stands. . . unrefuted.
yuzeyurbrane
August 27th, 2012
4:08 pm
Dawg Dad @ 1:45–I accept your invitation. When and where is your next Tea Party mtg.? Meanwhile, more to the point, you never answered my question about what do Tea-Partyers think about this incident? You can start with your own personal opinion.
N-GA
August 27th, 2012
4:44 pm
The latest news sources the $87,000 spent on weapons. The ringleader of the group, Pvt Aguigui received $500,000 in insurance from the (suspicious) death of his pregnant wife, part of which was used to purchased guns and ammunition.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/prosecutor-ga-murder-case-1507533.html
Mark T
August 27th, 2012
4:49 pm
yuzeyurbrane….@4:01….so why even bring it up…like I said earlier why did this ever get to a Dem/Repub issue
Fred ™
August 27th, 2012
5:04 pm
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Fred, 1:15,
No, Fred….. you’ve got it wrong. Bozo is alive and well and occupying government housing in DC. Tell me, why do you make this a race thing, Fred?
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A race thing? How in the hell do you get race out of Bozo the clown? No Kayaker, I make it a respect for my Country thing. Something you whacked out right wingers have noe of, self respect and respect for my Country.
i guess though you chicken hawks, having never server your Country see no reason to respect her and the highest office she has so you ridicule her in front of the whole world while pretending to be patriots.
Al
August 27th, 2012
6:48 pm
Tim Mcveigh wannabees!
Dekalb comments
August 27th, 2012
7:06 pm
I shake my head at the comments on this blog. I am ready to find a planet to which to move.
Jay suggests there is a POSSIBLE conspiracy among the members of the U.S. military (or recently separated) to take over military installations and assasinate the President and what is the result?
Why can’t we accept this is a POSSIBLE story that should be taken seriously by everyone? I think any conspiracy to attack government assets and the President or any other elected official (such as Giffords in AZ) is an affront to our democracy and our way of life. Why can’t we at least agree on that point?
95% of the postings today have nothing to do with the initial question around the possibility of this conspiracy. It devolved into Barry versus Magic Underwear. Is that the level of discource of which we are capable? Or is that the level of mentality ~ 2nd grade of those on this site?
Let’s raise the level of discourse to one of substance and meaning. I may rarely agree with those on the opposite side but I am going to treat them with respect (unless they are over the top).
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
August 27th, 2012
7:59 pm
Four people going to overthrow the U.S. government. Unfortunately for these folks, they sound like victims of our democrat controlled public school system.
ireadmogulmag.com – Prosecutors: U.S. Soldiers Plotted to Kill President Obama
August 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
[...] The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jay Bookman notes, “Sometimes these things get blown out of proportion, but $87,000 in weaponry suggests [...]
independent thinker
August 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Paul – That was Scalia doing a mea culpa for all the gun toting nut jobs he unleashed by making gun ownership a fundamental individual right.
dANDY
August 28th, 2012
12:59 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/military-terror-plot-murd_n_1833435.html
RailroadMike
August 28th, 2012
1:31 am
Proof the “Business Plot” is alive and well. To the uniformed it was the Republican Plot to overthrow the US Government in 1934. Google, USMC Maj. General Smedley D Butler the General who discovered the plot. I’m sure if you Google the “Business Plot” you will find the same names today in the news.
Joel Edge
August 28th, 2012
5:58 am
http://goo.gl/MMAOw
“Prosecutors in the Long County, Ga., case say that the militia group planned to overtake the nearby Fort Stewart, to bomb a dam in Washington state and poison the state’s apple crop and ultimately overthrow the government and assassinate the president, according to reports.”
Really? With four guys? Were they planning to do this all at one time or over an extended period? This is being left in the hands of the local prosecutors? The Army isn’t filing charges? Sounds like somebody in the prosecutors office is making stuff up or hoping more sticks.
http://goo.gl/oFZUc
Prosecutors: U.S. Soldiers Plotted to Kill President Obama |
August 28th, 2012
8:08 am
[...] The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jay Bookman notes, “Sometimes these things get blown out of proportion, but $87,000 in weaponry suggests [...]
Woody
August 28th, 2012
8:08 am
Some plausible options, given the variability of human nature (pick one, and run with it):
- a love triangle with guns for windowdressing.
- some wild youngsters with big talk, exacerbated by FBI agents who had penetrated their club.
- a charismatic dude who is actually impotent, and all the guns are a proxy for… well, you know what. The takeover plans (with the guns) are just a proxy for… well, you know what.
- just the tip of the iceberg, this is a huge organization with members everywhere.
- a whole page of DSM V that didn’t get put in.
Four US soldiers plotted to overthrow the government and kill Obama - Military News | Military News
August 28th, 2012
9:54 am
[...] The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jay Bookman noted that, “Sometimes these things get blown out of proportion, but $87,000 in weaponry suggests otherwise. And when you’re willing to murder two people to keep the plot secret, you’re pretty serious about it.” [...]
andyv2k14
August 28th, 2012
11:51 am
Makes me wonder what is happening the the Army. Over my eight years in, I have seen the discipline, honor and fidelity of the US Army take a shocking plummet. NCO’s are no longer allowed to maintain discipline, our Generals are more concerned about bowing to the Concerned Mothers of America than hammering our young soldiers into line.
This, massacres in Afghan villages and many other issues and problems are the end result. We need to take a good look at ourselves, slow down the promotion system and ensure that we are again promoting calm, competent, and professional individuals into leadership positions, and then give leaders back the tools to maintain discipline. I’m very anti-Obama, but this is disgusting and disgraceful to the Army. Stand them against a wall and shoot them.
gb
August 29th, 2012
12:06 pm
FYI, after talking to other soldiers stationed with these guys, the money came from the leader’s wife’s life insurance after she died. Not much of a conspiracy there.
emac2
August 30th, 2012
10:52 am
This isn’t an isolated incident. Let a tea party supporter talk long enough and they will all mention taking matters into their own hands of Obama wins. Not alone but as a coordinated group that will require the rest of us to take sides. When desperate rich people embrace enemies of the state to cut their taxes something is really wrong.