Romney again endorses gov’t-backed health care for all
Earlier this month, the conservative base of the Republican Party went nuts, demanding the head of Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul. Why?
Because in discussing the fate of steelworkers laid off when Bain Capital closed their Missouri plant, Saul had had the audacity to note:
“To that point, you know, if people had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care. There are a lot of people losing their jobs and their health care in President Obama’s economy.”
Rush Limbaugh erupted. Erick Erickson suggested that Saul’s statement might be the moment in which Romney lost the campaign and the trust of conservatives. “Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again,” he wrote.
And Ann Coulter went on the Hannity show to fume:
“Anyone who donates to Mitt Romney — and I mean the big donors — ought to call Mitt Romney and say if Andrea Saul isn’t fired and off the campaign tomorrow, they are not giving another dime. Because it is not worth fighting for this man if this is the kind of spokesman he has to respond to this by citing health care in Massachusetts.”
Saul was not fired, and over the weekend, Romney himself told Fox News:
“I’m the guy who was able to get all the health care for all the women and men for my state. They were talking about it at the federal level. We actually did something, and we did it without cutting Medicare and without raising taxes.”
For the record, Romney did it without a state tax hike thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal Medicaid subsidies for Massachusetts. In fact, a year ago the Beacon Hill Institute, a Massachusetts think tank, estimated that since 2006, the “federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts,” and that overall, “The state has been able to shift the majority of the costs to the federal government.”
But the larger point is, what are conservatives are going to do now? Demand a new nominee, on the eve of the GOP convention? What’s Rush going to say, just hours before the coronation begins? My guess is that he will say nothing. They’ll attack the young female spokesperson, but not the candidate himself.
It also once again betrays the fundamental emptiness at the core of the Romney campaign for president. He has shown himself willing to read any script given to him, and to try unconvincingly to spout the principles of others as if they were his own. The ability to lead implies the ability to first be yourself, and I see no sign of that in the man.
He does not merely bend in the wind, he is a veritable dandelion seed, carried lightly hither and yon on the slightest bit of breeze, landing we know not where. The Republicans see that about him, and fear it, even if they dare not acknowledge it.
– Jay Bookman
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Mick
August 27th, 2012
8:04 am
Yet, and amazingly so, this election will probably produce a razor thin victory…romney still has to close the deal and his constant whining about campaign tactics is a turnoff…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:04 am
Two of his largest achievements
Romneycare and The Olympics.
He didn’t build that, we did.
Oh, and he was a lousy Governor as well.
Thomas Heyward Jr
August 27th, 2012
8:09 am
“For the record, Romney did it without a state tax hike thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal Medicaid subsidies for Massachusetts.”
.
Well..thank God no one had their taxes raised.
It was Bernanke Bucks.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
8:10 am
I often wonder why Ol’ Mitt spent his money to buy all of the hard drives used in Massachusetts government computers…
Still what can you say about a guy, who can’t use his greatest achievement to run on because it’s against his party’s principles?
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
8:11 am
For the record, Romney did it without a state tax hike thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal Medicaid subsidies for Massachusetts. In fact, a year ago the Beacon Hill Institute, a Massachusetts think tank, estimated that since 2006, the “federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts,” and that overall, “The state has been able to shift the majority of the costs to the federal government.”
In Romney’s defense, you can’t peg him with the dependence on Uncle Sugar since 2006. One can say he led the horse to the water, but he didn’t make the horse drink the entire lake.
That said, I’m kinda looking forward to Joe Isuzu’s acceptance speech. I’m sure it will be filled with grandeur vagueness and such. I’m just hoping for a semblance of a coherent plan with specifics.
Mick
August 27th, 2012
8:12 am
Couple of other observations; jeb bush was trotted out this weekend, he really started the regression of the florida budget with many tax cuts tilted toward the wealthy, same old republican game plan. The people eventually catch on and ask what happened to all our services? He wants obama to stop blaming his brother, sorry but we just can’t forget he was there for eight years leading to economic calamity. Obama’s policies have failed? Errr…how’s about the do nothing congress we have, all they say is no and then have the gaul to criticize the stimulus, and gladly cash the checks (paul ryan,) It’s amazing to me that repubs could garner any middle class votes but the plain truth is once again their skill at messaging will make it close when it should be nowhere near it…
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
8:12 am
$15,987,849,253,741 and rising
23,102,664 unemployed and rising
What has Obama done about it lately – of nothing because he is busy campaigning as he has for the last year.
But Jay wants to point out Mitt’s warts while Obama goes around naked. Sort of reminds me of the the Emporer has no clothes and only the kid would speak the truth. And Jay, if the Fed’s are dumb enough to pay for Mass. health care and we write the rules so that they can, then isn’t the issue in Washington that created the rules?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
8:12 am
BTW Granny G…
Your 0751 from below burned a bigger hole in my retina than did my 0619…thanks for that…
Simple Truths
August 27th, 2012
8:12 am
Jay, yet you still voted for Romney for president.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
8:13 am
What is the over/under on a brokered convention?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:14 am
Normal
It’s the pink thong…..does it everytime.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
8:14 am
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
8:12 am
Tell me exactly what President Obama could have done and please be precise.
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
8:16 am
Normal – That’s Obama’s job…….and he hasn’t done nuch for the past 9 months but campaign and tell everyone he feels their pain
Joseph
August 27th, 2012
8:18 am
Wow Jay that’s a serious stretch to say since a spokesperson says it means that what the candidate believes. So I guess that means Obama thinks Romney is a felon and that he’s responsible for a woman’s death… You loons are a riot….
Compromise
August 27th, 2012
8:19 am
“What has Obama done about it lately – of nothing because he is busy campaigning as he has for the last year.”
Good point, Madmax. Obama could lock this thing down right now if he’d demonstrate that he is trying at least to broker a deal on the “fiscal financial cliff”. It would go to his (perceived or not?) weak point and he’d get my vote.
Citizen of the World
August 27th, 2012
8:19 am
Romney seems to not only lack the courage of his convictions, he has no convictions. It makes him seem like a buffoon. Like an empty suit. All hat and no cowboy. Disingenuous right down to every last Grecian Formula hair on his head.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:21 am
Pardon me Jseph,
Did ya’ miss this?
“Romney himself told Fox News”
“Romney himself”
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
8:21 am
Compromise – I agree with you – but he’s ignored the elephant in the room for 3+ years so I’m not hopeful that he will.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
8:21 am
Joseph, reading comprehension is a minimal requirement for participating intelligently on this board.
OBIWAN
August 27th, 2012
8:23 am
MadMax,
Don’t confuse the liberals with logic or common sense……least of all facts….
the cat
August 27th, 2012
8:23 am
oopsie, LOL
Bob Loblaw
August 27th, 2012
8:25 am
@ Citizen:
You nailed it.
Additionally, the last poll I saw when I dug into the crosstabs still has Obama with a better favorable rating on Healthcare issues than Romney. If Obamacare is the albatross that the GOP thinks it is, then why do more Americans trust Obama on Health policy?
The answer, from this very experienced pollster, was that there were some things that people liked about Obamacare, like keeping “kids” on the plans ’til age 26 and that folks with pre-existing conditions can actually find coverage.
Romney should embrace those things, stop talking about Obamacare and stop listening to fly-by-nights like Erick Erikson. Talk about someone who hasn’t done anything in life but sit behind a laptop and whine.
Mick
August 27th, 2012
8:25 am
It seems that the repubs want to make the president a jobs creator in chief, where is that in the constitution? Do people really believe that if romney is elected the jobs will come roaring back? Please, there is no plan only empty rhetoric by a prime example of a rich guy who was more of a job destroyer at bain than a job creator. Of course, he made his pile, isn’t that the whole goal of the capitalist? The 8.3 unemployed? Like he really gives a damn…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:27 am
Compromise
You mean the Republicans were “just kiddin” when they supported the sequestration?
If they want off the hook for the mess they created they should try asking nice, some begging to be forgiven for their foolishness wuld be nice too.
lynnie gal
August 27th, 2012
8:28 am
Maybe Romney has a split personality. He takes credit for Massachusetts healthcare and later in the day he denounces it. He claims to be pro-choice then he claims to be pro-life. He’s an empty suit, thinking that taking off his tie and rolling up his sleeves to mimic a “common man” will help him politically. He’s a glossy white mannequin with plastic Ken doll hair and his handlers reprogram his message with the flip of a switch if polls show he’s being damaged; then if that doesn’t work, they flip a switch and he goes back. While he’s being erased like an etch a sketch, Paul Ryan’s eyes are darting around the room sizing up his chances of being cast as the male version of Marie Antoinette.
Peacenik2012
August 27th, 2012
8:29 am
Bless Mitt Romney and his three gods.
MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS (Just Ask Your Pastor or Priest)
The Book of Mormon
1. Book of Mormon
The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461.)
2. Devil, the
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
3. God
God used to be a man on another planet (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
4. God, becoming a god
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354).
5. God, many gods
There are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
6. God, mother goddess
There is a mother god (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443).
7. Heaven
There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348).
8. Holy Ghost, the
The Holy Ghost is a male personage (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, p. 118; Journal of Discources, vol. 5, p. 179).
9. Jesus
“The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).
10. Joseph Smith
If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).
tbone
August 27th, 2012
8:29 am
What in the tar nation are y’all bickering about! Stick to tha gal dern issues y’all! Abortin’ young’uns and men marryin’ men are what is destroyin’ our country. Healthcare ain’t none of my bisness. That talk is for the rich folk.
Citizen of the World
August 27th, 2012
8:31 am
Has anyone noticed that Romney’s VP pick has no business experience? Romney is predicating his entire value proposition on his purported business acumen. Here he comes to save the day! Yet, he picks as his running mate someone who has worked for the government pretty much straight out of college. What will happen to us if Ryan has to assume the presidency for some reason??? OMG! We will be at the mercy of someone with no business experience! ‘Cause, you know, only someone with business experience can run the country!
gtt
August 27th, 2012
8:32 am
not not where?
Whatever
August 27th, 2012
8:33 am
I’m not against the government assisting with healthcare. However, we are broke, broke, broke. We have got to get spending under control.
This makes me feel no better. The Mass. bill cost the Feds $2.4 billion more in addition to the state costs!? Where’s all this money coming from?
We need to vote out every one who will not get serious about our budget. Both sides are a joke.
Bob Loblaw
August 27th, 2012
8:34 am
@lynnie gal:
Want to see the split personality? Look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey–4MjXRxc
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
8:36 am
This election is, acc. to Jonathan Chait and others, one final go-for-broke attempt by the GOP to run the tables before their ticking demographic time bomb goes off.
Chait: ““This is the last time anyone will try to do this” – “this” being a near total reliance on white votes to win a presidential election.
It’s one of the most cynical, diabolical appeals to identity politics we’ve seen in American politics. Romney will try to present himself as the candidate who will return to 55 years olds and up their “stolen” tax subsidies taken through Obamacare in a thoroughly cynical ploy to divide demographic groups against others, all the while as his side whines that Obama wants to “divide” Americans against each other.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:36 am
Peacenik2012
August 27th, 2012
8:29 am
Mormans, Baptists, Catholics…..
In my opinion, some of each are Christians.
Recon 0311 2533
August 27th, 2012
8:37 am
Jay’s running out of ammo and it’s still over two months until the election. Of course the Obama campaign has run out of ammunition as well. The cry of desperation from a stalled campaign that has failed to gain traction. I think it’s getting close to the time for me to make a call.
larry
August 27th, 2012
8:38 am
I bet you didnt know there is three people running for president……….
Mitt Romney from 1994-2006,
Mitt Romney from 2007-president
and the President.
I’ve already caught Mitt lying about Mitt already, problem is , i cant figure out which one.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
8:39 am
Oh please do, Recon.
Please. Do.
:>)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
8:39 am
The ability to lead implies the ability to first be yourself, and I see no sign of that in the man
A weathervane pointing in the direction of where the wind blows that particular minute does not make a leader.
Holy Moly!
August 27th, 2012
8:40 am
I am curious Jay, has anyone done a study linking tax decreases in our history to job creation? That seems to be where the republicans feel Obama is most vunerable, I think they will downplay the health care issue because it is not one that will help them.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
8:41 am
I think it’s getting close to the time for me to make a call.
A little early for pizza.
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 27th, 2012
8:41 am
The Republican voter will turn aside, puke, and then vote for Romney anyway because of the absolute hatred for President Obama. They take very literally what one of the true leaders of the party said – Grover, and I’m paraphrasing – we only need someone with enough digits to sign all the laws the Republicans present to that person. In other words they only need a warm body.
Mitt could have been someone who committed a capital crime and they’d still vote him in just because of that hatred of the current freely elected president.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
8:41 am
“What will happen to us if Ryan has to assume the presidency for some reason???”
He be just like Obama!
Compromise
August 27th, 2012
8:41 am
“If they want off the hook for the mess they created they should try asking nice, some begging to be forgiven for their foolishness wuld be nice too.”
That’s great, Granny.
Mick
August 27th, 2012
8:42 am
recon
Interesting observation…I think romney has been shooting with a whole clip of blanks, the target is still smiling back at him…
larry
August 27th, 2012
8:42 am
Has anyone noticed that Romney’s VP pick has no business experience?
That doesnt worry me about Ryan. What worries me is he is a faithful follower of Ayn Rand.
And that the basis for the bills he sponsors are faithful to that following.
That scares me.
Madmax
August 27th, 2012
8:42 am
Citizen – Uh and you prefer Biden?.
Recon 0311 2533
August 27th, 2012
8:42 am
Jay, patience, patience the time will come soon.
Reagans ghost
August 27th, 2012
8:42 am
God send for the main stream press this week. They will get to spend about 80% on the weather and the hurricane, thus avoiding main stream America with another view. Must be living right.
Steve
August 27th, 2012
8:43 am
I have to agree that it’s time to educamate the masses that the President doesn’t CREATE jobs. This is the job of Congress, who, led by a TeaParty Congress, is thwarting our current President and failing miserably.
And I still don’t understand why John Kerry was demonized as a “flip flopper” yet Romney is beyond that – he’s a split personality.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:43 am
Recon
Who ya’ call?
Venkman, Stantz and Spengler?
Reagans ghost
August 27th, 2012
8:44 am
New word this week from the GOP. A Bindenism………….A new phrase for a politician ” stepping in it”.
JamVet
August 27th, 2012
8:44 am
Flip……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….flop.
As JB noted, this spineless, unprincipled, tax dodging billionaire of a farce (my word) is unfit to lead this glorious nation.
Joel Edge
August 27th, 2012
8:46 am
So where does it say “Romney endorses govt backed health care for all” again.
Citizen of the World
August 27th, 2012
8:46 am
Thanks for sharing Bob @ 8:34. I had not seen that. Add split personality to no personality ….
Reagans ghost
August 27th, 2012
8:46 am
Jamvet……Yea, the commie doing a pretty good job uh?
hiram
August 27th, 2012
8:48 am
WTH has Obama done so far?
http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
8:49 am
“Recon
Who ya’ call?”
Ghostbusters!!!!!
Reagans ghost
August 27th, 2012
8:49 am
Went to see 2016. Romney ought to walk out Thursday and say, I’m running for President against this current president. Here is why I’m running…and play the film…….Powerful, and not really a bash Obama film, just pretty much a factual resume of the guys life.
JamVet
August 27th, 2012
8:49 am
Meat, McCarthyism was really stupid and immoral even back in the 50s.
Today?
It is the purview of uneducated buffoons who have the vocabulary of a struggling 11 year old…
Romney again endorses gov’t-backed health care for all – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)
August 27th, 2012
8:50 am
[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
8:52 am
Recon 0311 2533
August 27th, 2012Can CNN overcome slump, remake itself?
8:37 am
You know the call has been made. As CNN goes so does AJC.
CNN adds Morgan Spurlock series
Time Warner CEO vows to fix ratings
I assume they will keep Jay around until after the election. I stopped watching CNN! It has become vile and disgusting. Why dont the liberals keep it going? Is that not strange with all the big numbers the liberals keep posting there is not enough to keep the ratings up? It looks like paying bloggers to spew their socialist/communist ideology is not profitable. That is a magnanimous reason for them to want more government and more control of government.
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
8:53 am
“So where does it say “Romney endorses govt backed health care for all” again.”
Yeah I missed that too.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
8:53 am
Recon “Jay’s running out of ammo”
Ha, that’s a good one. Pot calling kettle black.
Sure it’s not you who’s running out of material Recon, candidate-less as you are?
Citizen of the World
August 27th, 2012
8:55 am
Larry, no, maybe you missed my point. I am not “worried” that Ryan lacks business experience at all, and I am also appalled that he’s an Ayn Rand devotee — scary!
I was simply pointing out the irony that even though Mitt claims business experience is so vital — didn’t he even suggest at one point that that should be a condition of fitness for the office? — he picks a running mate with no business experience. That’s ironic, and it would appear, not very wise.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
8:55 am
“As JB noted, this spineless, unprincipled, tax dodging billionaire of a farce (my word) is unfit to lead this glorious nation.”
By defending Obama you have no clue either, narcissist!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
8:55 am
Williebkind: “It looks like paying bloggers to spew their socialist/communist ideology is not profitable”
HAAAA hahahahah.
Got a really nice chuckle out of that one, have to say.
Tell me where — oh where — it is that you can spew “Communist” ideas at a mainstream establishment outfit like CNN. Pleez tell me, I want to know!
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 27th, 2012
8:56 am
Why is the right puts out these weird movies about Obama or anyone else they ‘dislike’ and we’re suppose to take that as factual? 2016 – garbage.
td
August 27th, 2012
8:56 am
Romney has said over and over again that he will REPEAL Obamacare. That ends this whole discussion. Next article Jay.
Mick
August 27th, 2012
8:57 am
ghost
We know the resume of the past three years and try as you might, this economic mess did not begin on 1/09. Funny how all the repubs do is talk about failure and demand that he “fix it” pronto. This economy is complex and what happened to it in 08 will reverberate for many more years to come. The congress of the past two years has been a joke, where are the jobs mr. boehner? What did they run on in 2010 anyway? Yes, we are all part of the same hypocrisy, on which side is it the most transparent???
td
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 27th, 2012
8:56 am
Why is the right puts out these weird movies about Obama or anyone else they ‘dislike’ and we’re suppose to take that as factual? 2016 – garbage.
Did you go and see the movie this weekend or are you getting your information from Media Matters?
Chris Sanchez
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
Jay: there is a reason so many of the other GOP candidates in the primaries rose and later fell as we conservatives sought a candidate. Liberal commentators called it when they said “anyone bit Mitt” was out thinking. Still, this is the candidate we are about to nominate and his presidency will be far better for our nation than the last 3 1/2 years of the Obama administration.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
You missed it?
Let me repeat it then:
Mitt Romney:
“I’m the guy who was able to get all the health care for all the women and men for my state. They were talking about it at the federal level. We actually did something, and we did it without cutting Medicare and without raising taxes.”
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
td
he also said he paid at 13% taxes…..and has nothing to hide…
next poster td
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
all this poof, an attempt to mask what is becoming more & more obvious
The ACA is Progress, and not hated by the People, as the
bazillions of wingnut propaganda dollars would have you believe.
Hatin on healthcare reform is not a winning issue anymore.
D = go forward
R = go backward
just like a car
barking frog
August 27th, 2012
9:00 am
Romney may make a good
President but probably not
in 2012. ‘Etch a sketch tax
cheat’ is killing him.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:01 am
It also once again betrays the fundamental emptiness at the core of the Romney campaign for president. He has shown himself willing to read any script given to him, and to try unconvincingly to spout the principles of others as if they were his own. The ability to lead implies the ability to first be yourself, and I see no sign of that in the man.
+++++
The self rightenous is interesting considering all the flops Obama conducted by Obama.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/full-flop/?page=1
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
9:02 am
Jay
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
Ah…evidently I did miss that lol. So he flip flopped again just in time for the convention. Got it.
JamVet
August 27th, 2012
9:03 am
…their socialist/communist ideology…
Meat, see? I was not kidding about how demented the GOP’s fringe elements/modern age McCarthyites are.
They are simply incapable of learning from history. So, in lieu of intellect, they incessantly use the one tool they know how to use – deflect/make up childish lies like “By defending Obama”. Even though I have told the liar repeatedly that I voted against BHO and will do so again in November.
But the truth matters not to these uneducated Republibots.
Most of whom appear to be high school dropouts.
GOP First! America Second!
THAT is Romney’s base in Georgia…
Sagegirl
August 27th, 2012
9:04 am
“He’s a glossy white mannequin with plastic Ken doll hair and his handlers reprogram his message with the flip of a switch if polls show he’s being damaged’
Exactly. He’s just for show. And if he’s elected “his handlers” will be the President. Not him.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
9:05 am
As an aside,Mary Matalin needs to retire. I think the botox has invaded her brain.
AU Liberal in ATL
August 27th, 2012
9:06 am
For the record, Mad as a betsy bug Max, the President has bent over backwards to try to accomodate, include, and work with the republicans in Congress. He’s done everything humanly possible to work with those boneheads and all they will do is obstruct. They made it clear from the beginning that they would block any potential success for President Obama. There’s not a man alive who could overcome that crap. If he’s guilty of anything, it’s thinking that republicans are reasonable and have a genuine love of country. Their agenda is painfully clear and it’s pure politics.
And another thing, hell yes I’d prefer Biden over Ryan… anyday.
Vote for Romney and you might as well vote to return Dubya to office.
Get Real, Free to choose but not your school
August 27th, 2012
9:07 am
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/21/stimulus-funds-spent-obama-ads-olbermann-maddow/
our current POTUS misuses more money than any other.
zeke
August 27th, 2012
9:07 am
thought mitt was an analytical person; you’d think he would understand how he was able to pull healthcare off in mass. with all the federal bucks.
the press must be a bunch of numnuts who are scared to challenge the with mittster with facts….of course their fat cat bosses probably told them to go easy on mittens as deep down it seems all the high priced media are not looking forward to a tax hike. wouldn’t put it pass big media from even trying subliminal messaging.
hiram
August 27th, 2012
9:07 am
@sagegirl
Ryan is to Romney what Cheney was to Bush.
Here we go!
August 27th, 2012
9:08 am
td -how is Romney going to repeal ACA if he is facing a democratic senate? Romney can’t go into office and wave a wand that says ” these laws are no longer valid so they are repealed”. There is a process. And besides, most republicans won’t admit it, but they like a lot of what the plan has in it too.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:09 am
Jay
August 27th, 2012
8:58 am
You missed it?
Let me repeat it then:
Mitt Romney:
“I’m the guy who was able to get all the health care for all the women and men for my state. They were talking about it at the federal level. We actually did something, and we did it without cutting Medicare and without raising taxes.”
+++
Obama replied that his plan was universal (a claim we rated Barely True ) and explained why he was against a mandate: “A mandate means that in some fashion, everybody will be forced to buy health insurance. … But I believe the problem is not that folks are trying to avoid getting health care. The problem is they can’t afford it. And that’s why my plan emphasizes lowering costs.”
“Hillary Clinton’s attacking, but what’s she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can’t afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don’t,” said one of his television ads .
What is interesting is up until 2008 Obama was against mandates along with Republicans. Up until 2012 he was against gay marriage just like Republicans. Now, if you disagree with him you are an extremist even though Obama was against these until recently.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/20/barack-obama/obama-flip-flops-requiring-people-buy-health-care/
Get Real, Free to choose but not your school
August 27th, 2012
9:10 am
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/08/27/world/asia/27reuters-afghanistan-shooting.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065
I sure wish our dang president would bring the troops home.
weetamoe
August 27th, 2012
9:11 am
Once again, Mr Bookman is reading entrails to divine what republicans know think and fear. Protect your chickens and bulls.
JamVet
August 27th, 2012
9:12 am
BTW, you clearly don’t even know what the word narcissist means, willie.
Stick to simple words that you have a clue as to how and when to use them.
OK, business has really taken off lately, so off I go into the wild blue yonder to pay to keep the plutocrats comfy.
Toodles, all….
F. Sinkwich
August 27th, 2012
9:12 am
“This economy is complex and what happened to it in 08 will reverberate for many more years to come.”
Too wordy for a bumper sticker . Let me help:
Things may suck today.
And they will suck tomorrow.
Obama Biden 2012
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
9:13 am
Get Real, Free to choose but not your school
August 27th, 2012
9:07 am
Get real….where else would you play a “green” public service spot?
More bang for the buck you big silly!
Get real…please get real.
You can lead a republican to water but you can’t make them drink….
(skinning dipping is something else altogether)
Shine
August 27th, 2012
9:14 am
The only thing Mitt Romney has been consistant on is tax cuts for himself.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
9:15 am
ABC poll this morning…….. Who is better equipped to handle the economy? Bozo 43%, Romney 50%.
mm
August 27th, 2012
9:15 am
I guees God hates the GOP. Second straight convention hit by a hurricane.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:16 am
Mitt Romney. The wannabe Liar-In-Chief. A corporate raider and tax cheat. One willing and able to take blood money and put it to work to make himself money. Mitt Romney, the Destroyer and Outsourcer of Jobs, wants people to just trust him and not look into or even question his shady background. He would have you people accept him at his word. Just pick the words that you like. After all, he’s covered all the bases. Mitt Romney, the man of a thousand faces. And he can even display them all at once. P.T. Barnum, eat your heart out.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:18 am
larry
August 27th, 2012
8:38 am
I bet you didnt know there is three people running for president……….
Mitt Romney from 1994-2006,
Mitt Romney from 2007-president
and the President.
I’ve already caught Mitt lying about Mitt already, problem is , i cant figure out which one.
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Congratulations you caught a politician lying.
According to poltifact
Obama has 112 Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire Statements
Romney has 67.
I do not think the number is a reflection of who is a bigger liar but the numbers do suggest that both lie considerably. To attack one or defend one but not the other is interesting.
independent thinker
August 27th, 2012
9:19 am
First mistake Andrea Saul made is referring to Willard as former governor of Mass. That has become a taboo experience for discussion. .Let’s also not forget that Mass. has borrowed 8.5 billion in excess Medicaid from all of us to achieve universal care.Obamacare covers it. But the two Wanabees want to cut it. You won’t hear about that either from these jokers.
Credible information to believe the GOP is about to elect a serious tax dodger and of course a draft dodger who cannot mention one person in his entire extended family that served in the military. I guess Ryan’s love, Ayn Rand would be proud
Glad the hurricane and Todd Aiken have disrupted the GOP’s little party for second convention in a row. Heard they p[icked the hurricane state to pick up Florida swing votes. With the GOP’s voter suppression in full swing down there the numbskulls didn’t need to bother.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:22 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:16 am
make himself money. Mitt Romney, the Destroyer and Outsourcer of Jobs,
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http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
9:22 am
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:18 am
Amen!
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
9:23 am
Rush Limbaugh erupted. Erick Erickson suggested that Saul’s statement might be the moment in which Romney lost the campaign and the trust of conservatives.
___________
Is this one of the reasons that Mitt did not invite a lot of the Republican Superstars to speak at the RNC in Tampa?
td
August 27th, 2012
9:26 am
Here we go!
August 27th, 2012
9:08 am
td -how is Romney going to repeal ACA if he is facing a democratic senate? Romney can’t go into office and wave a wand that says ” these laws are no longer valid so they are repealed”. There is a process. And besides, most republicans won’t admit it, but they like a lot of what the plan has in it too.
Obama has set the example with not enforcing DOMA and not enforcing immigration laws. All he has to do is call his Health and human service Secretary and tell them to not set up the exchanges and not expand Medicaid.
Mr. Snarky
August 27th, 2012
9:27 am
Hither/Yon 2012
Steve Shamrock
August 27th, 2012
9:29 am
Is this 9 straight days of Jay going after Romney/Ryan? Amazing bias….just amazing.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:30 am
Moderate Line,
From your link: we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas.
So, the claim is that Mitt was not in charge during the outsourcings, not that the outsourcings did not happen.
Yet, Mitt’s single tax return that he has been willing to share supports the claim that Mitt was indeed active at Bain as late as 2010:
But according to his 2010 tax return, when the Internal Revenue Service comes calling in April, Romney has a different answer: The presumptive GOP nominee reaps lucrative tax breaks for “active” participation in the private equity firm he founded, as well as a host of other investments.
Mitt, the man of a thousand faces strikes again and again and again…
For principles
August 27th, 2012
9:32 am
Just another reason why the GOP should nominate someone else this week in Tampa. Romney is the wrong guy for so MANY reasons. But he is the Goldman Sachs candidate as Obama was last time around, so he will get the nomination. Anyone who thought that change could come about through the political process was seriously deluded.
Mr. Snarky
August 27th, 2012
9:33 am
Steve, Yeah! it this were Mitt’s blog he’d be going after one side one day and the other side the next.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:35 am
Polticians lie and they flop. You have to guess at what they are going to do. You really can’t believe what they say about the other canidate because they don’t tell the truth about what they are going to do much else what someone else is going to do. I have never understood this devotion to anyone political canidate but the self-rightenousness of believing the other guy is more of liar or more of flopper reveals more about the person making the statement than the canidates themselves.
GT
August 27th, 2012
9:35 am
Does it matter what Romney says? The Republicans have these off the radar lobbyist that hold all the power Grover Norquist is one of them. They don’t even know who funds this guy Norquiest yet he holds Romney’s every move in his hands. The Republican Party through Newt Gingrich types have cleverly learned how to control this country as a minority. Part of it is a iron fist control by the money over the party who then becomes out of control with the welfare of the citizens who foolishly elected them. If government is their enemy, we don’t even know the identity of our enemy that controls this group of radical and may control this country. What Newt and his kind have learned is most of this country is illiterate to the real facts and can be told anything irrelevant and be controlled by a group that has no interest in them. Let me have a half million dollar charge account at Sax’s drink champagne and get about as fat as one can get off rich living while I explain to you how the people from the middle class work ethic are your enemies. Clever stuff or just a stupid population.
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
9:35 am
Does anyone know if Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Michelle Bachman will give motivational speeches today?
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
9:38 am
W, the flagship Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat ain’t going.
Cheney ain’t going.
Rush ain’t going.
Sarah of the tundra ain’t going.
Why even call it the Republican convention?
The good news is, if you’re a woman or a person of color, any color,
there’s a two week jobs program in tampa fer youuu!
Just go down to the (socialist gubmint funded) convention center
and stand around – but it has to be in front of a camera.
Old Goober
August 27th, 2012
9:39 am
“Some people just beg to be killed. ‘Kill me, kill me’ they say.”
Mario Puzo, The Godfather
1. “Wow! What a gorgeous grizzly. That thing must be 10 feet long. I’ll just take some pictures for the folks back home. If he sees me, I can always outrun him.”
2. “It’s only 11:30 tonight. I think it will be all right to take a stroll along historic MLK Boulevard.”
3. “Don’t release any more tax returns. Point them to a movie showing how socialist Obama is. It will take their minds completely off the tax returns.”
Bob Loblaw
August 27th, 2012
9:39 am
If you really think that Romney will follow through on any repeal of health care reform, call your doctor. You’re delusional. He does that in his first term? You’ll see a wave of Democrats elected in the midterm and he’ll be done in four. He’s smarter than that, though, so he’ll break out the etch-a-sketch and create an illusion for you.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
9:41 am
“Does anyone know if Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Michelle Bachman will give motivational speeches today?
Yes. But only to each other.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
I have never understood this devotion to anyone political canidate but the self-rightenousness of believing the other guy is more of liar or more of flopper reveals more about the person making the statement than the canidates themselves.
If only such a person making such a statement could be found. Then perhaps something could be revealed.
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
Got the camera rolling…no sign of Dick Cheney yet!!
Doggone/GA
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
“Obama has set the example with not enforcing DOMA and not enforcing immigration laws”
When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
9:45 am
Healthcare is an obviously thorny issue where ideas from both sides have merit. There is one big, and I mean big difference between Barry and Mitt.
Mitt’s MA healthcare was a state issue. So, the Feds pay more to MA because of it. But Barrack’s answer is Federal Control, the nanny state, grow the Federal Government more, raid Medicare, underestimate the cost, ram the bill through Congress without one Republican vote.
Of course, I don’t expect you Moonbat Statists to understand there is a difference.
Common Sense
August 27th, 2012
9:47 am
““Does anyone know if Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Michelle Bachman will give motivational speeches today?
Yes. But only to each other.”
Sure beats the wealth envy speeches of Obama/Biden
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:47 am
Release the tax returns, Mitt. Give your supporters something more than “trust me” to go on.
Generation$crewed
August 27th, 2012
9:47 am
Guess I’m slightly confused…………….
Is the argument basically that Romney is a worse flip flopper than Obama?
Or is this just a hit piece onRomney with no consideration for the mass amount of flip flops (evolutions) Obama has made?
I seriously don’t understand how one can condemn Romney for flip flopping yet make no mention of his opponents many flops of the same type?
But both sides do it and they do it cause us voters drool over it (look at the comments here).
I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:48 am
Enter your comments here
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:49 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:30 am
Moderate Line,
From your link: we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas.
So, the claim is that Mitt was not in charge during the outsourcings, not that the outsourcings did not happen.
Yet, Mitt’s single tax return that he has been willing to share supports the claim that Mitt was indeed active at Bain as late as 2010:
But according to his 2010 tax return, when the Internal Revenue Service comes calling in April, Romney has a different answer: The presumptive GOP nominee reaps lucrative tax breaks for “active” participation in the private equity firm he founded, as well as a host of other investments.
Mitt, the man of a thousand faces strikes again and again and again…
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And Factcheck rebuttal such an argument saying “New Evidence same conclusion.”
http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys-bain-years-new-evidence-same-conclusion/
Factcheck has already taken all that you said into account. If you have problem with their analysis you should contact factcheck.org
Your ad Hominem attacks would seem to suggest that your analysis is less than objective and more subjective. Factcheck relies mostly on factual information so I have to go with their conclusion. Also, since they seem to attack both canidates their analysis doesn’t seem to be bias.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:50 am
“Mitt Romney. The wannabe Liar-In-Chief. ”
Now tell me Taxpayer how transparent your chosen one has been?
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:52 am
Romney just displays a thousand faces at once. Pick the one you relate to the best. I’m sure he’s got the GOP covered, like trickle down at sunrise in a cool mountain stream, like warm yellow dew on a field of scorched corn…
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:53 am
Does anyone know what Obama’s golf score was over the weekend?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 27th, 2012
9:54 am
Just another naked “Campaign for Obama” thread.
Geez !
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:55 am
“He does not merely bend in the wind, he is a veritable dandelion seed, carried lightly hither and yon on the slightest bit of breeze, landing we not not where. The Republicans know it and fear it, even if they dare not acknowledge it.”
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Everything that comes out of the mouth of MITT is authentically his.
He is what he is.
A leopard CANNOT CHANGE HIS SPOTS.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
9:56 am
Well,
It’s break time so i thought i check in to see if Madmax answered my o814 about his 0812.
He answered at 0816.
I guess that was as precise as he could be…
You know? If you have a complaint about the way someone is doing business, you should at least have a solution about it.
Madmax…talking points…check
Thinking about it…no check
Mad, I hope you are making over $250,000.00 a year, is all I’m going to say…
Jay
August 27th, 2012
9:56 am
There is no functional difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare, JohnnyReb, and the feebleness of your attempted smokescreen confirms it.
Both are government-funded programs to extend health insurance to all citizens, using a government mandate to get people to buy insurance or face a fine and using government-run insurance exchanges. Both also include a panel of experts to recommend ways to lower government costs.
And you know it, which is part of what makes your attempted denial come across as almost sad.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
Two new additions to the Reoubli-Speak Dictionary
Wealth Envy:
the act of recognizing tax haven discrimination against non multi millionaires
Bidenisn:
a word or phrase uttered by the current vice-President, emulating a right wing word or phrase that only upsets right wingers when it’s used against them
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
When you have always been on the government dole, you never have to worry about taxes. Obama became a millionaire while in office. Now that is more dispicable than anything anyone in the private sector can do.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:53 am
Does anyone know what Obama’s golf score was over the weekend?
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It was the same as your IQ………….
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
9:59 am
“..and not enforcing immigration laws”
Who actually said that. WHO actually said that? Wow.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:59 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
When you have always been on the government dole, you never have to worry about taxes. Obama became a millionaire while in office. Now that is more dispicable than anything anyone in the private sector can do.
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At least he DID NOT SEAL IT.
MYTH ROBME is the BIGGEST THIEF IN THE COUNTRY.
He hides his wealth in OTHER PLACES.
No one knows how much he has stolen from NO PAYING TAXES.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:00 am
To force or mandate as you say to have insurance in a state is quite different that mandating someone nationally. In a state you can relocate. Nationally you can not. Mandated health insurance is another ploy for liberals to control huge amounts of the GNP.
Bob Loblaw
August 27th, 2012
10:01 am
@JohnnyReb:
Romneycare dumped tons of new eligible members into Medicaid which (drum roll, please) invited the federal government to pour billions that it hadn’t before into Mass.
I don’t usually don’t line up with Jay, but here, he’s got you.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
10:02 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
When you have always been on the government dole, you never have to worry about taxes. Obama became a millionaire while in office. Now that is more dispicable than anything anyone in the private sector can do.
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CORRECTION PLEASE:
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
MYTH ROBME is the BIGGEST THIEF IN THE COUNTRY.
He hides his wealth in OTHER PLACES.
No one knows how much he has stolen from PAYING NO TAXES.
SHOW US THE TAX RETURNS MYTH
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:02 am
The latest Barry ad has him accussing Romney of being “extreme.” It’s laughable. If there is an extremeist, it is Obama, his supporters, and party.
The Democratic party is itself a coalition of extremists. Take the objectives of the various factions. I will list a few.
Unions – are inheriently extreme. They push every issue to the extreme, then compromise to gain their original objective. They own a large part of manufacturing moving overseas. They have created pension obligations that cannot be paid. And, they are violent.
Environmentalists – the treehuggers are largely responsible for high energy costs which is holding down economic recovery. Have you looked at your electric bill lately? How about the cost of gasoline when you fill up? “Under my policies, electric bills will necessarily skyrocket.” Who stated that?
Gays – DADT went away, but that was not enough. Despite over thirty states voting to define marriage as between a man and a woman, the drive continues to have gay marriage. Since the beginning of mankind, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Changing that is extreme in any one’s book but theirs.
Nannies – these are either tied with or just below the Treehuggers in being the most dangerous to America. The above groups are included, but this category encompasses most all Democrats. They are Statists to the core who want to “fundamentaly” change America and the Constitution. Their extreme position is no personal responsibility; to have a guarantee someone will take care of them if they fail; and to transfer wealth from the successful. They are socialists.
Other than the above, they are loveable lot who fit right in with the rest of us.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:03 am
Moderate Line,
Your reply at 9:49 does not meet the basic criteria of a rebuttal given that it does not address the issue of information contained in Mitt’s single tax return that he has released and the indication from it that he was an active investor as late as 2010. We will need more physical evidence, in the form of many years of complete tax returns, in order to properly address that issue. Now, what Ad Hominem attack are you claiming I have made via the link I posted earlier.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
10:04 am
So I take it…you’re not gonna vote for Romney Jay?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Hmmm.. the conned never seem to whine about the topic of the pro-republican, anti-left, anti-Obama propaganda threads over at Kyle’s…. I wonder if its their coffee?
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
“At least he DID NOT SEAL IT.”
He has not been transparent as he declared he would be. Have you seen his college scores?
“MYTH ROBME is the BIGGEST THIEF IN THE COUNTRY.”
You are a liar without any proof! You are just a pathetic “drive-by”.
“He hides his wealth in OTHER PLACES.”
Once again you repeat what someone else spewed without proof, another drive-by.
“No one knows how much he has stolen from NO PAYING TAXES.”
Thats true, because of the tax structure he paid as little taxes as the law allowed. You just dont get it do you?
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Of course Romney is for Romney care. It was his bill and he has said over and over again that it is working and Mass. loves it.
He is very proud of it and thinks the concept and law is great.
Is anyone surprised at that. It’s his baby.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
10:08 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:52 am
Romney just displays a thousand faces at once. Pick the one you relate to the best. I’m sure he’s got the GOP covered, like trickle down at sunrise in a cool mountain stream, like warm yellow dew on a field of scorched corn…
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Note the 12 Flops by Obama and Romney’s 3.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/full-flop/
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:09 am
Jay, the big difference is federal versus state. You are are Statist, so you have no problem with the Feds dictating everything and stomping on States Rights. I don’t expect us to ever agree.
Even if Federal control in the end proves to be the best, it amazes me how the Left supports Obamacare considering the way it was passed.
It alone justifes Republicans completely ignoring the wishes of the Left as was the case with the healthcare bill.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 27th, 2012
10:10 am
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — “Insurgents beheaded 17 civilians in a Taliban-controlled area of southern Afghanistan, apparently because they attended a dance party that flouted the extreme brand of Islam embraced by the militants, officials said Monday.”
Dick Clark would NOT have been happy !
the cat
August 27th, 2012
10:10 am
Johnnyreb-without you going to the google, define Statist. Thanks.
nelson
August 27th, 2012
10:11 am
In another couple years all the revenue taken in by the Treasury Department will go to service the national debt. So the general opinion is if the last dollar goes to me everything is ok. Soooo with that kind of a mindset, Romney has a job unseating a President that is giving the countries solvency away.
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:11 am
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:00 am
________
Mandate that everyone buy health insurance was ruled unconstitutional. We don’t have that law. Read the Robers opinion.
We do have a small tax that people who don’t have health insurance have to pay, but it is much cheaper then the cost of buying health care.
small price to pay to reimburse taxpayers for the cost of taking care of those that chose to remain uninsured.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:12 am
Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:13 am
it amazes me how the Left supports Obamacare considering the way it was passed.
______
The bill was passed according to the voting rules of the senate. Nothing wrong with that.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
10:13 am
The issues, my friends, the issues. You liberals can hoot and holler about old Mitt and his tax returns, his dog, how his health care plan is so similar to Bozo’s, his Mormon underwear, his wife not working, his wife’s $500 dollar shirt, Sandra Flucke’s BC pills, who’s going to show up in Tampa and who they are going to give speeches to……. it’s all fluff to anyway with half a brain. To quote a famous liberal, ‘It’s the economy stupid”. The only people who are gullible enough to bite on these fluff issues are going to vote for Bozo anyway. We have a projection by GAO of 8.7% unemployment well into next year. How many months will that make it?…… something like 55 or so? STRAIGHT!!! Growth at a monumental 1.5% and falling. It ain’t working, libs. It just ain’t working. And you and Bookman are just too damned ignorant to see it.
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:14 am
the cat – a statist is someone who believes in government central control. In this context, it is someone who believes the feds should control everything instead of the individual states deciding for themselves. Our history is a slow slide to complete central/federal control.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
10:15 am
Jay
August 27th, 2012
9:56 am
There is no functional difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare, JohnnyReb, and the feebleness of your attempted smokescreen confirms it.
Both are government-funded programs to extend health insurance to all citizens, using a government mandate to get people to buy insurance or face a fine and using government-run insurance exchanges. Both also include a panel of experts to recommend ways to lower government costs.
And you know it, which is part of what makes your attempted denial come across as almost sad.
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The only difference that I am aware of is one is run by the state and one is run by the Federal government. If you don’t like one you can move to another state if you don’t like the other you have to move to another country.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
10:16 am
TP @10:12….so what!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
10:16 am
“To force or mandate as you say to have insurance in a state is quite different that mandating someone nationally”
Oh my god, you actually buy that as a legitimate argument?
That was Mitt’s spin, dude, so he could wiggle out of his past as MA governor.
Didn’t you get the memo?
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Obama has millions of fake Twitter followers
President Obama’s Twitter account has 18.8 million followers — but more than half of them really don’t exist, according to reports.
A new Web tool has determined that 70% of Obama’s crowd includes “fake followers,” …
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDqvXWyPXII
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Oscar – yes, Obamacare was passed in accordance with the rules. However, it was passed under Reconciliation. You can look that up if you don’t understand.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Truth-O-Meter tally:
Pres. Obama
Mostly False, False, Pants on Fire…29%
Mitt Romney
Mostly False, False, Pants on Fire…42%
Pres. Obama
True, Mostly True, Half True….72%
Mitt Romney
True, Mostly True, Half True….58%
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
10:19 am
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:13 am
it amazes me how the Left supports Obamacare considering the way it was passed.
______
The bill was passed according to the voting rules of the senate. Nothing wrong with that.
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It was under voted under the rules for a budget bill which meant it could not be filabustered. This also means that it can be voted down the same way.
I think ALL bills should be voted on this way. It is hard enough to get a bill passed or removed.
zeke
August 27th, 2012
10:19 am
Correct me if I am misinformed! But, I think that a Judge ruled that Mass. must implement the health care in Mass. and fulfilling his duty, Mitt and his administration went about creating the system, AT THE STATE LEVEL, the most economical way possible! He has repeatedly said, that it is fine for each state to decide whether or not to implement such a plan, Constitutionally, but, THE FEDS HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO IT! And, regardless of your left wing agenda, HE WAS/IS RIGHT!!
Are YOU registered to vote?
August 27th, 2012
10:19 am
YOU can register “right now”.
http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/vrinfo.htm
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:20 am
TP @10:12….so what!
It was in 1998, Erwin. Read the link.
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:20 am
With all due respect, one relying on anything called Truth-O-Meter or Politifact is one easily duped by a sham.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
10:20 am
The issues, my friends, the issues.
Yes… its apparently the birth certificate again.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
10:21 am
Moderate,
“If you don’t like one you can move to another state if you don’t like the other you have to move to another country.”
But you had better have a job to move to and a house to move to and a buyer for your current home…That doesn’t sound easy….
—————————-
I still don’t get why you are so against healthcare for all…mandated or not, it is a good thing.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:22 am
Taxpayer,
I’m trying to find out just how many jobs Bain portfolio companies actually outsourced…can you help me find this?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
10:22 am
Zeke
THE FEDS HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO IT!
Wrong-a-mundo.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
10:22 am
TP
I read the link…and…so what!
don’t you ever grow tired of your faux outrage?
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:23 am
Zeke, you are misinformed.
My best guess is that you are conflating what happened in Massachusetts regarding gay marriage with passage of RomneyCare. But in any case, your understanding of what happened is very much incorrect.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:24 am
If you want to talk the issues, kayaker, then start by presenting Mitt’s details on how he will cut taxes on the wealthiest and increase DoD spending and not raise taxes on the poor or middle class and not cut social security or medicare or medicaid and reduce the debt and keep the budget revenue neutral, for openers. We can talk about the other 992 simultaneous faces of Mitt later.
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:25 am
Obama used to enjoy a significant lead in Ohio according to polling data, but…
The closest Dispatch Poll in modern history shows the races for president and U.S. Senate in a dead heat in battleground Ohio.
For the record, Republican Mitt Romney holds a “lead” of 0.22 percentage point over President Barack Obama. That’s a mere 2 votes out of more than 1,730 cast for president in the mail poll.
By comparison, Sen. Sherrod Brown has a landslide going over GOP state Treasurer Josh Mandel with a margin of 0.87 point. That’s a whopping 15-ballot bulge.
The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 2.1 percentage points, so the takeaway is that the presidential matchup is tied at 45 percent and the Senate struggle at 44 percent among likely voters.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/08/26/tight-races-put-undecided-voters-in-control.html
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:28 am
JAY,
If I’m Romney, my retort to the ObamaCare/RomneyCare similarities is a moot point. My feeling is that what works for an individual state is not the same formula for the nation in toto. From an actuarial perspective from the insurers, this deal is gonna be like night of the living dead and keep screwing taxpayers for decades to come.
Here’s on example…I am all for coverage for pre-existing conditions no longer being excluded from policies. The problem is the cost. Say an insurer has to write a policy on formerly uninsured individual. The top premium the insurer can get is 12K per annum. The new insured has a pre-existing heart condition and needs a 850K heart transplant..math doesn’t work does it…who will pick up the delta?
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:28 am
Erwin,
The link was a response to Moderate Line and his claim that Mitt has never been actively involved during a time when Bain was pushing outsourcing of jobs. Now you know the “so what.” Further, I do not express faux outrage.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
10:29 am
Matthews v Preibus
Joe Scar
too funny
Steven
August 27th, 2012
10:29 am
This election cycle reminds of 2004 when the Dems thought, “ABB”. Anybody But Bush. Its the same now with Repubs against the current POTUS. I’m looking forward to different outcome. The Prez will be re-elected by a landslide!
These guys are throwing err’thang but the kitchen sink at him. Distoring all the facts/truths they can find agaqinst the current POTUS. The documentary Obama’s America, AHC Act, the Economy, Michele Bachman,Herman Cain, Newt Gindrich, etc are all bullits that are fired from a Republican AK47 at the POTUS. They are wounding him but I think he’ll stand the test.
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:29 am
I think people would find it interesting for the press to list all of Obama’s promises made in 2008 in one column and in another column the status of said promises. A campaign ad of this nature would be powerful and a damning tale of failure or abject dishonesty. The AJC could easily do this, but…
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
10:30 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Translation:
Both are liars but your guy lies more. Nanny nanny boo boo!!!
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:31 am
I’m trying to find out just how many jobs Bain portfolio companies actually outsourced…can you help me find this?
stevie ray,
What do you say we start up a petition asking Bain and Romney to release the documents needed to help us get you a full and accurate count. Maybe we could even ask for those tax returns in the same petition. What do you say. Are you with me.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:31 am
“Here’s one example…I am all for coverage for pre-existing conditions no longer being excluded from policies. The problem is the cost. Say an insurer has to write a policy on formerly uninsured individual. The top premium the insurer can get is 12K per annum. The new insured has a pre-existing heart condition and needs a 850K heart transplant..math doesn’t work does it…who will pick up the delta?
That is precisely why, in both RomneyCare and ObamaCare, a mandate to purchase is included. Healthy people will pick up the cost, and then when they too become ill — as we all do eventually — they too will be covered.
Without the mandate, there is no way to cover the cost of pre-existing conditions other than creation of a single-payer system. That’s why the GOP has repeatedly refused to carry through on their “replace” promise, because they know there is no other way to do it.
They know because they came up with the mandate idea in the first place.
Donovan
August 27th, 2012
10:33 am
What a horrible rah-rah speech from the AJC Democrat cheerleader. And the cheerleader’s myrmidons carp along like pull-string dolls. Pathetic!
Just to get the picture straight, Massachusetts is a state comprised of liberals who depend on government handouts, government direction, and government rules. I was born there, but learned very early in life I couldn’t live there, based on the herd mentality much like California’s culture. For some strange reason Massachusetts likes to have Republican governors who seem to delight the legion of liberal voters. Funny how his character wasn’t assassinated by the Democrat establishment back then.
Mitt Romney ran a successful term of lowering the unemployment, shrinking the State’s budget, and giving the State’s entitlement seekers a huge plum. That plum was his signature on the legislature’s health proposal. It won’t work for the country, but it was a masterful stroke of the pen for a state that relishes liberal entitlements.
What’s wrong with the picture that Bookman paints today? It’s fairly simple to understand. Bookman is a liberal Democrat preaching to a liberal audience. Mitt Romney is a Republican running for POTUS. The Democrat nation is scared of Romney because he is the better choice of candidates, based on his credentials and his successes. Bookman, his liberal myrmidons, and the Democrat Party know that they have nothing to offer, other than a no-name failure, worse than Jimmy Carter.
The obvious picture they paint is a collage of childish distractions which never address the economic issues of the day. And, as we all know, those economic issues were created by their mismanagement. Yeah, let’s re-elect the same bunch for 4 more years of the same.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:34 am
TAXPAYER,
Any luck on finding the number of jobs Romney/Bain’s portfolio companies shipped overseas?
Also, I agree that the DOD needs to be cut up to 25% or so. Unfortunately, the defense contractors cash speaks more loudly than the voice of reason. Obama fell into same trap on several fronts…
The all flip-flop and make promises they can’t keep…why, because they need the money more than they need us..
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:34 am
Both are liars but your guy lies more. Nanny nanny boo boo!!!
Moderate Line insisted on making it a “your guy lies more” exchange with his “full flop count” post, so I responded in kind. I’m just that kinda guy. Anyone want to talk about jobs instead. We could start with the Republican 2010 Jobs campaign.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:35 am
See my 10:31, stevie ray. Are you with me.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:35 am
You mean like this, Ahem?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
10:36 am
J. Reb — “Unions . . . have created pension obligations that cannot be paid.”
All by themselves, huh?
“Environmentalists . . . are largely responsible for high energy costs”
All by themselves, huh?
“Gays . . . Since the beginning of mankind, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Changing that is extreme in any one’s book but theirs.”
Good thing we didn’t let that “since the beginning of mankind” bulldada stand in the way of abolishing slavery. Or female suffrage. Or doing away with child labor. Or promulgating a representative democracy instead of a despotic or feudal system of governance.
“Nannies . . . encompasses most all Democrats. They are Statists to the core who want to “fundamentaly” change America and the Constitution. Their extreme position is no personal responsibility; to have a guarantee someone will take care of them if they fail; and to transfer wealth from the successful. They are socialists.”
Given your rather tenuous grasp on reality, I’m just going to say that not only are you wrong, there are also no monsters under your bed or in your closet.
You really need to get out more, and I think it would do you good to meet some people who are different from you. Then you might be able to see how incredibly inaccurate and off-base your imaginary world is.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
10:37 am
Donovan-I would be interested in reading Romney’s plans for job creation, etc. Please share. Thanks.
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
10:37 am
“That is precisely why, in both RomneyCare and ObamaCare, a mandate to purchase is included. Healthy people will pick up the cost, and then when they too become ill — as we all do eventually — they too will be covered.”
This kinda works like Social Security..the “now” workers will pay for the “then” workers…and so on and so on.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:41 am
JAY,
The fallacy in your argument is, well..let’s just say math is not one of your better subjects (no disrespect) the idea that this additional cost will be effectively spread amongst “healthy” insureds is obscenely naive. Insuring this 30 million under the traditional insurance model (pre existing conditions reimbursement is NOT insurance) and their above average pre-existing conditions exposure PLUS the not so insignificant pre existing exposure of currently insured will never be offset by government assistance or massive increases in current premiums for those currently insured…
We are gonna get screwed….think Medicare unfunded liability currently at approx 60 trillion doubling..
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
10:43 am
Obama has set the example with not enforcing DOMA and not enforcing immigration laws. All he has to do is call his Health and human service Secretary and tell them to not set up the exchanges and not expand Medicaid.
Well, if you’re gonna lie, there’s no reason to do it half assed. You fail miserably with the fact that under Obama, deportations have set records year after year. If one is not enforcing immigration laws, that would not happen.
Then again, you and others b*tch and complain about Obama doing something, but you’ll advocate for Romney to do the very exact thing. It must really suck to have a gummi bear spined candidate to support for an election. You have to become a contortionist to support them.
Keep going though, you’re better entertainment than Saturday Night Live when Joe Piscopo and Eddie Murphy were there.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:44 am
“Just to get the picture straight, Massachusetts is a state comprised of liberals who depend on government handouts, government direction, and government rules.”
Right, Donovan. That’s why Massachusetts has the third highest per capita income in the country. Georgia is 38th. Per capita income in Mass., at $51K, is almost 50 percent higher than in Georgia. They seem to do this capitalist, profit-making thing a LOT better than we do.
The unemployment rate in Mass. is 6.1 percent; in Georgia it is 9.3 percent.
In other words, Donovan’s post is absolute BS from its very beginning, and the rest doesn’t get any better.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
10:44 am
Willydoit — “This kinda works like Social Security..the “now” workers will pay for the “then” workers…and so on and so on.”
Not exactly. The healthy ‘now’ people share the cost burden with the sick ‘now’ people. By broadening the pool of people paying in, the cost *per person* is held down to a bare minimum.
FWIW, most industrialized countries that have socialized health care also permit private add-on coverage. France is a good example; as much as 85% of the population has supplementary coverage that’s *not* government-provided.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France#Health_insurance
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
10:45 am
That’s why the GOP has repeatedly refused to carry through on their “replace” promise, because they know there is no other way to do it.
They know because they came up with the mandate idea in the first place.
Whack. A. Mole. Whack. A. Mole.
skipper
August 27th, 2012
10:45 am
Man, there ain’t no easy answers ti this one……….
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
10:46 am
“under Obama, deportations have set records year after year”
Did he really deport them, or did they just leave because all the jobs went away??
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:46 am
I could care less about his tax returns unless fraud is suspected in which case, the DEMS should get the DOJ to investigate…
My point here is that Bain portfolio companies did ship some jobs overseas to maximize shareholder value and keep US operations afloat in many instances but these “lost jobs”, which I submit is nowhere near what the rhetoric will suggest, pales in comparison to those…say of the tech industry…Example is APPLE who has shipped literally 100,000’s of jobs abroad in the past 20+ years…this combined with the fact that Steve Jobs paid ZERO taxes on his estate legally speaks volumes…he’s not running for president to be sure but he is an example of what it takes to compete in global economy..
If he were DEM, you would care less as well..
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
10:47 am
Mitt’s MA healthcare was a state issue. So, the Feds pay more to MA because of it. But Barrack’s answer is Federal Control, the nanny state, grow the Federal Government more, raid Medicare, underestimate the cost, ram the bill through Congress without one Republican vote.
I’ll have to quote this wise woman I’m acquainted with…
“When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point”
–Doggone/GA
Mark
August 27th, 2012
10:48 am
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
10:46 am
“under Obama, deportations have set records year after year”
Did he really deport them, or did they just leave because all the jobs went away??
Some idiots just refuse to believe actual facts.
The Thin Guy
August 27th, 2012
10:48 am
Question: Where can one go and not find Jay Bookman and his running dogs? Answer: Any theater showing
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/box-office-report-anti-obama-doc-beats-films-161221160.html
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:49 am
Sure we can do it, Stevie Ray.
Other nations do it, why can’t we? In fact, almost every industrialized nation on the planet manages to pull it off.
Are you saying that they’re better than us? Smarter than us? Richer than us? Where’s your faith in the greatness of this country?
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:51 am
JOE HUSSEIN,
To be fair, the unions did indeed push all industries to promise pensions and lifetime benefits (government is glaring example)the employers could’nt remotely honor..Don’t discount the increased costs of goods and resulting competitive disadvantage is global market…
OBIWAN
August 27th, 2012
10:52 am
It makes me laugh at how much the leftist liberals have nothing good to say about ANYBODY. Why don’t you liberals tell us about all the good stuff Obozo has done? Oh wait…. It looks like a blank page….. BTW all this talk about Ryan not having any business experience, yet you idiots would vote for Obozo with his vast experience at nothing? Really makes you wonder, do liberals even believe what they say? Maybe they should look up the definition of a hypocrite….
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
10:52 am
Camera rolling….no sign of Karl Rove!
the cat
August 27th, 2012
10:52 am
Canadians think we are all nuts.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
10:54 am
S. Ray — “To be fair, the unions did indeed push all industries to promise pensions and lifetime benefits (government is glaring example)the employers could’nt remotely honor.”
To ACTUALLY be fair, you should recognize and admit that both unions AND management must approve any union contract or agreement.
To represent, as you have done, that unions make such decisions on their own is a misrepresentation at best and outright dishonesty at worst.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:55 am
As to unions, Stevie Ray, if they were the problem we’d still have a thriving (nonunion) textile industry here in Georgia, right?
Instead, it is almost nonexistent. All the mills have shuttered their doors and disappeared, taking the jobs with them.
And again, unions didn’t have a blessed thing to do with it.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
10:55 am
OBIWAN — Why don’t you liberals tell us about all the good stuff Obozo has done? Oh wait…. It looks like a blank page….. ”
It gets posted here every day, along with links. Not our fault if you don’t ever bother to read it.
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
10:55 am
Did he really deport them, or did they just leave because all the jobs went away??
No, he did not deport them, nor did they just leave. ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is the agency responsible for the deportations, and THEY deported them. Why don’t you use google for what it’s intended purpose is and find out yourself? Or do you need a talking head to tell you what to think?
ByteMe - Political thug
August 27th, 2012
10:55 am
Where’s your faith in the greatness of this country?
It’s only present during years when Republicans screw it up, not during years when Democrats screw it up.
Trolls Bane
August 27th, 2012
10:56 am
The Ryan Plan : To future retirees ( generation X, Y, etc) .. you are on your own …. $60,000 more for health care
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/24/739271/seniors-will-pay-60000-more-for-medicare-under-romneyryans-plan-report-finds/?mobile=nc
Mittens commenting on the purchase of a Chinese slave labor factory by Bain (outsourcing manufacturing to China):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e-0imhVH4E0
Are these really people we want to lead us? I can see why wall street loves em …
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
10:56 am
Camera rolling…just spotted Ronald Reagan…my mistake…it’s just a mural!
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:57 am
JAY.
Whether our country is great or not depends on the measure..your emotional response doesn’t improve the math. No, we are broke and can ill afford such a burden on taxpayers now and especially in the future..imagine the deficit and unfunded liabilities once the baby boomers blow thru these ponzi schemes…
This bill needs to be cleaned up and either phased in over longer period or turned into single payor….that won’t happen due to the piles of money big pharma, hospital operators and insurers rifle into political coffers..the biggest issue that keeps this bill unworkable is the tremendous shortage of supply of physican services….got 75 miles outside Atlanta and try to get an appointment with primary care doc..got 6 months to wait?
Soothsayer
August 27th, 2012
10:57 am
[T]he “federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts,” and that overall, “The state has been able to shift the majority of the costs to the federal government.”
Well, there’s $2.4 billion that won’t be spent on a war somewhere.
What’s Lush going to say? What’s Vannity going to say?
Frankly, my dear . . .
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
10:58 am
“To be fair, the unions did indeed push all industries to promise pensions and lifetime benefits the employers could’nt remotely honor.”
emphasis mine
That implies that employers did not bargain in good faith.
Wouldn’t surprise me.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
10:58 am
It appears Donovan could not provide us with Romney’s plan for job creation. Someone else want to give it a try?
They BOTH suck
August 27th, 2012
11:00 am
Jay
And not to mention all those heavily unionized (NOT) customer service jobs, engineering and IT related jobs that have been shipped overseas.
King Dumbass the First
August 27th, 2012
11:01 am
Me and Law-ruh has decided (you remember I’m the decider, don’t you?) that we’re just gonna sit out the Republican National Convention.
They begged and pleaded with us to come over there and remind the world of the great accomplishments of my presidenting.
But, like I always say, Mission Accomplished!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
11:02 am
T. Cat — ” Romney’s plan for job creation”
His what now?
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:02 am
JAY,
If you are suggesting that UNIONS have nothing to do with the trends in the last 20-35 years of inability to compete globally? We will agree to disagree on this..in private industry..look at the government..you suggesting that we will ever be able to honor all those pension and lifetime medical commitments when they come due? Where is this flood of obligations gonna get funded? We can’t afford this either..
Jefferson
August 27th, 2012
11:03 am
Everytime I see a post where someone calls the President some name, 2 things happen – I smile, because he is getting to them and I smile because they are showing it. Keep it up, kids are what smiles are for.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
11:03 am
Donovan-told us Romney had the job creation plan!!! Waiting to see it.
Bill Orvis White
August 27th, 2012
11:03 am
The Saul woman should be fired. Yes, WE THE PEOPLE in the Tea Party KNOW that we will never forgive Gov. Romney for RomneyCare, but still, the Romney-Ryan ticket is a far better choice than what this current administration is doing to this once-free nation. Where’s the news about Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, Fast and Furious, high taxe$, high regulation, expensive trips abroad, and all of the incompetence that we have been subjected to for almost four long years – which WILL become a blip in this once-free nation’s history.
Amen,
Bill
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:03 am
And why are there no doctors 75 miles outside Atlanta, Stevie?
Could it be because so many of the residents there have no health insurance, and thus no ability to pay a doctor or hospital?
You’re not going to have decent medical care in those communities until there is a way to pay for it. Period.
DawgDad
August 27th, 2012
11:05 am
“the fundamental emptiness at the core of the Romney campaign for president. He has shown himself willing to read any script given to him, and to try unconvincingly to spout the principles of others as if they were his own. ”
Ah, the definition of a moderate. Although, Jay, you are overstating the case JUST A BIT. There is PLENTY of Romney record out there in the public and private arenas and in his personal life evidencing he is in no way an empty suit or person lacking core principles.
Doggone/GA
August 27th, 2012
11:05 am
“Did he really deport them, or did they just leave because all the jobs went away??”
Someone needs to learn the difference between “the number of illegal immigrants went down” and “DEPORTATIONS went up”
saywhat?
August 27th, 2012
11:06 am
Citizen of the World
August 27th, 2012
8:31 am
Has anyone noticed that Romney’s VP pick has no business experience? Romney is predicating his entire value proposition on his purported business acumen. Here he comes to save the day! Yet, he picks as his running mate someone who has worked for the government pretty much straight out of college. What will happen to us if Ryan has to assume the presidency for some reason??? OMG! We will be at the mercy of someone with no business experience! ‘Cause, you know, only someone with business experience can run the country!
____________________________________________
You forgot the oh-so-important “executive experience” that was all the rage 4 years ago, especially for a certain VP candidate. Apparently now that Obama has 4 years of it, it is no longer oh-so-important
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:06 am
Yes, Stevie, we will honor those obligations because they are in fact obligations, and as one of the richest nations on the planet we have the means to honor those obligations.
The alternative is to deny retirement pay and medical coverage to millions of elderly Americans, just pushing them out into the cold without resources. Do you really think that’s going to happen in a nation as wealthy as this one?
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
11:07 am
I heard Romney’s plan for job creation is to create 12 million jobs during his first term. That amounts to adding 250,000 jobs per month for four years. I wonder if those will all be private sector U.S. jobs. Now, if only he could tell us how he plans to create all those jobs because even during the job growth boom during the Bush housing bubble, we only managed to eke out about 150,000 jobs per month in the private sector. I suspect Mitt must have some really powerful magic fairy dust or else he and Paul Ryan are just going to join forces and click their ruby red slippers together in unison.
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
11:08 am
the cat
http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2011/09/believe-america-mitt-romneys-plan-jobs-and-economic-growth
There’s a pdf file with Mitt’s plan on that page.
straitroad
August 27th, 2012
11:08 am
Jay, I like to raz you guys a little from time to time but I have respected your general professionalism. I was surprised to see your condescending replies to a couple of poster’s who don’t agree with you.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:09 am
Stevie Ray: “we are broke”
1. No, we’re not. The fact that our government is able to borrow money at record low interest rates substantiates that we’re not broke.
2. Stevie Ray doesn’t care about deficits. If he did, then he’d be advocating that we go back to the Clinton tax rates and eliminate corporate subsidies. He’s not.
3. Stevie Ray doesn’t care about deficits. If he did, he be advocating against repealing ObamaCare, since such a repeal would add to it. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/health-care-repeal-widen-deficit-109-billion-says-194408630.html
4. Stevie Ray doesn’t care about deficits. If he did, then he would have been railing against Medicare Part D while Bush was President–a program that is adding hundreds of billions to the deficit (unlike ObamaCare, which the CBO says will reduce the deficit).
5. Stevie Ray doesn’t care about deficits. If he did, then he wouldn’t vote for Romney/Ryan, both of whom have presented proposals that increase the deficits. They’re austerity plans for the poor and middle class are intended to finance tax cuts for the wealthy…not to reduce deficits.
The “deficits don’t matter” party isn’t fooling anybody with their “fiscal cliff” BS.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
11:09 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
He has not been transparent as he declared he would be. Have you seen his college scores?
*************************************************************************************
HAS ANYONE SEEN MYTH ROBME’S TRANSCRIPT?
Nooooo.
But you want to see the BLACK MAN’S transcript.
TAKE YOUR DOG WHISTLES AND SHOVE THEM.
IF THERE WERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIS TRANSCRIPT
HARVARD, BEING A WHITE INSTITUTION WOULD HAVE EXPOSED
THEM BY NOW.
DUH!!!
OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT ATTEND COLLEGE IF YOU DID YOU
WOULD HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT BY NOW.
GENIUS
Fred ™
August 27th, 2012
11:10 am
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:02 am
JAY,
If you are suggesting that UNIONS have nothing to do with the trends in the last 20-35 years of inability to compete globally? We will agree to disagree on this..in private industry..look at the government..you suggesting that we will ever be able to honor all those pension and lifetime medical commitments when they come due? Where is this flood of obligations gonna get funded? We can’t afford this either..
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How DO you get out of bed each morning with all those false boogeymen under your bed and hiding in your closet. I would think Rush and Neal would have scared you into a heart attack by now.
UNIONS? Really? Post some proof of these all powerful Unions you are so scared of lol. I want to see it. And I mean something other than Rush said so………
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:10 am
DawgDad, I think that may be true in his personal life. He shows every sign of being very faithful to his spouse, his family and his faith, for instance. More power to him on every count.
He shows no such sign of stability and faithfulness in politics. From abortion to gun control to health care to Medicare, he has flipped 180 degrees as soon as a political advantage presents itself. He treats policy issues and matters of principle as mere stocks on the Dow Jones list, eager to buy low and sell high.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:12 am
JAY,
BTW, the increased (or return to prior depending on your political flavor) tax increases on the wealthy will only account for 16% of deficit..Where is the other 87% coming from? Remember the deficit is also growing geometrically so the 100% now will likely be the new 50% before long..Healthcare will simply provide jet fuel type propulsion for out ever increasing outflows…Imagine the taxes on our kids..
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
11:12 am
To all you Babylon Five fans out there…who knew?
http://cheezburger.com/6538229760
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
11:12 am
If you are suggesting that UNIONS have nothing to do with the trends in the last 20-35 years of inability to compete globally?
Compare the trend you’re talking about with the trend in union power and membership numbers. You will notice that unions have been in decline for the same time period you’re talking about. Unions represent 12% of the current workforce, and that’s including public sector workers too. So, you’re probably looking at maybe 5% of the private sector workforce as unionized. And you’re gonna blame that small segment for the issues at hand today?
I’m not saying that unions are blameless, so don’t even try to put those words in my mouth. The thing is, it takes two to tango, and unions were not the only dancers at the negotiation tables.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
11:12 am
…or was that Deep space Nine…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 27th, 2012
11:13 am
In good news: Georgia State’s first ever football draft pick made the first cut with the Raiders today. Cool.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
11:13 am
@TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
11:07 am
I suspect Mitt must have some really powerful magic fairy dust or else he and Paul Ryan are just going to join forces and click their ruby red slippers together in unison.
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I suspect Myth Robme must have some POWERFUL MAGIC UNDERWEAR.
heeheeheeheeheehee
I guess GOD ONLY GIVES THEM TO MORMONS.
Joseph
August 27th, 2012
11:13 am
But honesty should be a requirement to Jay….
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
11:14 am
DawgDad, I think that may be true in his personal life. He shows every sign of being very faithful to his spouse, his family and his faith, for instance. More power to him on every count.
No, NOT more power to him on every count. The man is a ruthless capitalist machine of profit extraction personified. He would sell your children into slavery and justify it to himself with that nervous laugh of his. He has no moral core and no moral quality whatsoever.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:14 am
Strait, I don’t believe I have been condescending to those who disagree with me. I welcome a difference of opinion.
I will, however, confess to being condescending to those who post absolute fabrications and try to pass them off as fact. On that I will plead guilty. I don’t have much patience with people who make up or try to spread false information, largely because false information makes honest debate impossible.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:14 am
Perhaps the first debate should be wiliie vs willie on his positions.
What a joke of a campaign.
Worst ever.
straitroad
August 27th, 2012
11:15 am
Jay, regarding your textile mill thread, I worked with a textile company based here in Georgia that was able to adapt and thrive and is stil in business today and doing well considering this economy. The closing of many mills in Georgia and elsewhere was directly related to their lack of innovation and continued reliance on commodity-type products. I’m not in total agreement with the blanket free trade folks but there is a responsibility on the part of the business owner to shift as the markets do.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:16 am
CJ,
The deficits do indeed matter..I would like to vote for someone with the courage to cut at least 10% from all programs excepting defense where I’d like to see 25%. We will need more than a tax increase on the weathly which I have no problem with the no country has ever gotten out of this sort of mess on the backs of the wealthy only…
In the future, don’t put words in my mouth..worry about your own blather..
Mick
August 27th, 2012
11:16 am
sink
Here’s a nice repub bumper sticker for their convention:
George W. Bush…miss me yet?
Right, yes right, not allowed to attend much less mention his “honorable” name….W, the gift that keeps giving…
Rick in Macon
August 27th, 2012
11:17 am
I’ve never seen such inane, idiotic chatter and lies as I have read by you liberal posters. Bookman is just as bad…all you people need to do is research before you make such dumb-a** statements. Your postings show just how ignorant many of you are.
ragnar danneskjold
August 27th, 2012
11:18 am
Strange essay, has nothing to do with the caption. As I read the comments of the prospective nominee, he was observing that the Federal government is paying the bills of local entities. That, of course, is not an endorsement of the activity. Wishful thinking by leftists, I suppose.
For the record, Governor Romney proposes repeal of ObamaCare, as does any rational soul.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:18 am
Stevie Ray, I’m on record repeatedly as supporting an eventual return to Clinton-era tax rates, and also making spending cuts on everything from defense to entitlements as necessary to bring us away from the fiscal cliff.
But I do not consider it an honest position to whine and wail about the deficit and then to propose additional tax cuts. Those who do that — and to be clear, I’m not making an accusation toward you — are playing a very different game, with very different goals.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:18 am
That said, I’m kinda looking forward to Joe Isuzu’s acceptance speech. I’m sure it will be filled with grandeur vagueness and such. I’m just hoping for a semblance of a coherent plan with specifics
Don’t hold your breath….
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
11:18 am
T. Cat — “Donovan-told us Romney had the job creation plan!!! Waiting to see it.”
Well, that explains it. I don’t bother reading Donovan’s posts.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
11:18 am
If you are suggesting that UNIONS have nothing to do with the trends in the last 20-35 years of inability to compete globally? We will agree to disagree on this..in private industry..
In 2011, the union membership rate–the percent of wage and salary workers who
were members of a union–was 11.8 percent, essentially unchanged from 11.9
percent in 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The number
of wage and salary workers belonging to unions, at 14.8 million, also showed
little movement over the year. In 1983, the first year for which comparable union
data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 percent and there were
17.7 million union workers.
[...]
Highlights from the 2011 data:
–Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (37.0 percent) more
than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.9
percent).
Union representation in this country has fallen dramatically since 1983.
You really should find another boogey-man to blame job outsourcing.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
11:19 am
Mitt Romney has no more moral core as a person than the ruthless, predatory capitalism he personifies. And that little tilt of his head as he beams his fake “aw shucks” smile is the smile of a man who’s ready to send your children off to the salt mines to slave so he can be spared from having to alter his existence one iota in response to any call of justice or any other real moral quality. He is moral rottenness in human form.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:20 am
stevie ray: .Healthcare will simply provide jet fuel type propulsion for out ever increasing outflows…
If stevie ray is going to repeat this misinformation, then it’s incumbent upon us to repeat that it is false.
“Those figures do not include the budgetary impact of other provisions of the [Affordable Care Act], which in the aggregate reduce budget deficits.” http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43473
GT
August 27th, 2012
11:20 am
Reb you know what is laughable? The Republican Party recruiting black people for their speeches. You think the Democratic Party had to recruit Obama, O was a walkon who made it big,or make woman say unnatural things like hockey moms are *ithches with lipstick as if that gets your juices running instead of I feel you pain, we are going to give you some pain, we are pain, we invented it and you need to be woman enough to handle it. Now we know Romney’s first lady has felt the pain of raising five kids, and we know there are millions of working moms who wish that was their fate in life. But the black man calling himself a Republican, that could make a comedy series, like Tom Hanks managing an all woman’s baseball team, pure comedy, only this is real reality not the fake stuff.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:20 am
I note that Rick in Macon does not actually CITE any of these alleged lies, which spares him the trouble of actually having to produce evidence of such.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:20 am
rick,
cons pretending to be intelligent is one big hilarious joke.
Give it up.rick. They could promise to seize all your assets and you would vote for them.
That is called ignorant rick.
SWhite
August 27th, 2012
11:20 am
Why hasn’t the Obama administration caught on to the standard operating procedure of Romney-the-omni-politician who is all things to everybody in fact and in principle. Provide universal health insurance in Massachusetts by federalizing the costs; make companies profitable by canceling pension funds and federalizing the costs; manage the Olympics by federalizing the deficits; then in situations that require a 90-degree turn…women’s rights issues, Planned Parenthood funding, free choice, etc.–just say, well, now that I am a candidate for President of the fanatical right-wing, Tea Party segment of the GOP, funded by Koch money, I have changed my mind to get your vote. All the while, diverting attention from the real disparate wealth distribution that has gotten worse or not improved for nearly 30 years and hoping that he can channel more money into the pockets of millionaires and billionaires and cancel social programs for the most needy.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:21 am
JAY,
No offense but you comment that under any circumstances suggest that we have anything but a huge lack of primary care providers (and nurses) is nuts…They often have to treat 3000 insured patients in a county or zip code per insurer contracts, results in difficult care committment and they make zero money and this will get worse as time goes by..
Thats why many will no longer accept medicaid…you’d laugh as how much they get paid for services from this dry well…heck, nursing homes in most states only offer reimbursement less than 200$ per day..heck you can’t get a decent room for that much less get 3 meals, you arse wiped and the other needs…
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
11:21 am
But honesty should be a requirement to Jay….
So says the guy that can’t spell his name right after a fit of sock puppetry!!!
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:21 am
Obama doesn’t flip – he “evolves”. Just a sweet word for flipping my friend – based on what he thinks brings in more votes. Holds that finger up top see which way the wind blows and then Obama “evolves”. He’s a puppet of the far left socialist movement – Nanny Pelosi an Harry Weed.
Mitt Who Are You?........I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
11:22 am
@DawgDad
August 27th, 2012
11:05 am
There is PLENTY of Romney record out there in the public and private arenas and in his personal life evidencing he is in no way an empty suit or person lacking core principles.
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IF THERE are PLENTY of Myth Robme’s record out there……….
WHERE ARE THE TAX RETURNS?
Until he releases the tax returns I DON’T TRUST HIM AS
FAR AS I CAN THROUGH HIM.
WHAT IS HE HIDING?
SOMETHING SMELLS ROTTEN HERE.
IF ALL OF YOU PO FOLKS DON’T CARE…….
there is something wrong with your morals.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:22 am
Romney’s Plan For Job Creation For Dummies:
Drill Baby Drill!!!
Don't Tread
August 27th, 2012
11:23 am
“He does not merely bend in the wind, he is a veritable dandelion seed, carried lightly hither and yon on the slightest bit of breeze, landing we know not where…”
Well we know which way 0bama’s seed blows: left. As far left as Congress is willing to go along with, and then some.
wumpy fish
August 27th, 2012
11:24 am
Channeling our inner Lord Byron?
A mistress never is nor can be a friend. While you agree, you are lovers; and when it is over, anything but friends.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:24 am
KAMCHAK,
Don’t understand your logic above..heck the only group who is fighting harder for relevancy is the church…Of course they have been declining which I take as as sign that the model has outlived it’s usefulness..
tireofit
August 27th, 2012
11:24 am
I suggest we just refer to Mitt as Hollow Man from now on.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:25 am
Romney’s Plan for American Self Reliance From Energy Hawks:
Drill Baby Drill!!
Romney’s Plan For The Sinking Housing Market:
Drill Baby Drill!!
Romney’s Plan for Medicare & Medicaide:
Paul Ryan
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:25 am
A question for all you “highly intelligent “cons.
When has romney spoke the truth?
Name one time.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
11:25 am
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:20 am
Well, what do yo expect? He’s Rick…and he’s from Macon…
Jefferson
August 27th, 2012
11:26 am
Romney hasn’t paid federal income taxes in 10 years.
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
11:26 am
Jay
Did you expect anything better from Rick in Macon??? As Fred would say, that’s a typical post from one of those asshats that listen to talk radio all day and let the radio do the thinking for him. If he was that upset about what was being posted here, he would have closed the window and not made the effort to put in information to post a comment.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:27 am
And yet they manage to pull that off that “impossible feat” in almost every industrialized country in the world, Stevie.
One explanation is that general practitioners make, on average, $161,000 a year in this country. The next highest country, the UK, pays on average $117,000.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
11:27 am
Don’t understand your logic above..
Yes, I know.
Despite the fact that at least two other people said the same thing I did.
There are none so blind….
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
11:28 am
“Stevie Ray, I’m on record repeatedly as supporting an eventual return to Clinton-era tax rates, and also making spending cuts on everything from defense to entitlements as necessary to bring us away from the fiscal cliff.”
You’re also on record whining about said proposed entitlement cuts. I’ll take it with a grain of salt.
Pizzaman
August 27th, 2012
11:28 am
Ah yes! Another day of the Teapublicans justifying service to the “high Roller’s” who bank roll them. What a country!
Mitt Who Are You?...........I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
11:30 am
@Rick in Macon
August 27th, 2012
11:17 am
I’ve never seen such inane, idiotic chatter and lies as I have read by you liberal posters. Bookman is just as bad…all you people need to do is research before you make such dumb-a** statements. Your postings show just how ignorant many of you are.
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Rick from Macon, be care of the stones you throw.
Everyone knows the history of Macon and its current racist
climate.
WHY DID THE MACON TELEGRAPH OUTSOURCE JOBS
TO INDIA?
DISCUSS THAT GENIUS.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:30 am
stevie ray: “don’t put words in my mouth..worry about your own blather..”
stevie ray,
My mistake. Your willingness to cut defense and raise taxes demonstrate some authentic concern on the topic. On the other hand, your false assertions that the Affordable Care Act will add to the deficits demonstrate the opposite.
If you truly care about the deficit, then you should get your facts straight about what reduces it and what increases it (repeal). In addition, you might observe that we balanced the budget in the nineties without spending cuts. Rather we balanced the budget with economic growth. So if you really care about deficits, then rather than following a European-style austerity plan (spending cuts causing higher unemployment causing lower revenues causing higher deficits), you should be advocating for programs specifically intended to put people back to work.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:30 am
stevie ray: “don’t put words in my mouth..worry about your own blather..”
stevie ray,
My mistake. You’re willingness to cut defense and raise taxes demonstrate some authentic concern on the topic. On the other hand, your false assertions that the Affordable Care Act will add to the deficits demonstrate the opposite.
If you truly care about the deficit, then you should get your facts straight about what reduces it and what increases it (repeal). In addition, you might observe that we balanced the budget in the nineties without spending cuts. Rather we balanced the budget with economic growth. So if you really care about deficits, then rather than following a European-style austerity plan (spending cuts causing higher unemployment causing lower revenues causing higher deficits), you should be advocating for programs specifically intended to put people back to work.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:30 am
The Republican Party recruiting black people for their speeches.
Every race has its sell outs. When the Jewish people were being shuffled into death camps, they had collaborators inside the camps trying to cut a deal and save their own skin.
It’s just a part of the human psyche that some are going to fight together and stand together, while others are only going to fight for themselves.
Mitt Who Are You?...........I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
11:30 am
@Rick in Macon
August 27th, 2012
11:17 am
I’ve never seen such inane, idiotic chatter and lies as I have read by you liberal posters. Bookman is just as bad…all you people need to do is research before you make such dumb-a** statements. Your postings show just how ignorant many of you are.
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Rick from Macon, be care of the stones you throw.
Everyone knows the history of Macon and its current racist
climate.
WHY DID THE MACON TELEGRAPH OUTSOURCE JOBS
TO INDIA?
DISCUSS THAT GENIUS.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:30 am
MORALITY,
Obama’s promises in 2008 (putting wall streeters in jail, putting telecoms in jail, eliminate the lobbyists control of DC agenda, cutting deficit in half) we all campaign handjive not unlike Romney’s 12 million new jobs claim….of course, Romney can take a tactic from Obama’s play book and simply blame it on OBAMA and what could likely be an obstructist DEM congress….nothing changes…
Also, it be nice to hear Obama suggest why we should re-elect him versus why not elect the other guy..this whole tax the wealthy (fair share garbage) as that is the reason why all those below are such victims is pure campaign BS and posited only to polarize and enter a new definition of “fair” to Websters…
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:31 am
Pizza Brain – and Obama doesn’t have any “high rollers” bankrolling him? Obama is bought and paid for. He’s a puppet for the far left socialist wackos. He’s never met a dollar that he would turn down.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
11:34 am
Ah-HENH.
http://cheezburger.com/6514039552
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:35 am
“You’re also on record whining about said proposed entitlement cuts. I’ll take it with a grain of salt.”
cons just can’t wait for congress to get their greedy corrupt hands on the American people’s money they paid for those insurance programs.
Pathetic pea.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:35 am
Romney hasn’t paid federal income taxes in 10 years.
Even if that’s true, he can always go back and “retroactively” submit them, (a la being CEO of Bain or NOT being CEO of Bain or FORGETTING that he was CEO of Bain, or NOT UNDERSTANDING what being CEO of Bain really means)
Its just like his campaign guy said – It’s the etch o sketch defense.
GT
August 27th, 2012
11:37 am
One of the world’s biggest misconceptions is Obama lends far left. Obama is actually very much in the middle, the GOP with lots of carry from the Tea Party have maxed the right wing out and then some. So the middle looks like left to the misinformed or manipulators of the truth. It is like living in the world of ugly people and making average look beautiful, or buying a Volkswagen to make your house look larger, it is a distortion a lot of us want to be the truth so bad the perception becomes the reality. Minority rule is hidden in all of this, just like it was from the 60s back. Our democracy is in open conflict with hijackers who think they and only they can save a world, they broke in the first place. They have done what marching armies have failed to do, without a gun being fired, they have sold our democracy to the highest bidder, and we the properly being sold don’t even know who bought us.
skydog
August 27th, 2012
11:38 am
One huge benefit of unions is their apprenticeship programs.
30 years ago the only way a southern youngster could learn to be a pipe fitter, electrician, or carpenter for Industrial construction was to work for one of the few big construction outfits in the south (Daniel or Brown and Root). They would get upfront training money from companies like P&G & Dupont for a big project.
That dried up 20 years ago, so there are not many avenues for a southern youngster to get into Industrial Construction.
Up north the unions are training youngsters like they have always done. I have worked all over the US and there is NO comparison between southern Industrial construction labor forces and northern Industrial labor forces. Give me 1 union trained union pipe fitter over 3 southern trained fitters.
If a southern youngster wants to get into Industrial Construction they have to move north.
Sad but, true.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:38 am
JAY,
You continue to amaze with your “insight” into the world of healthcare and insurer rate setting. That average is skewed by the vastly higher numbers of metropolitan physicians…….many exburban or rural docs struggle to make a 100K…Your comparison is flawed because (1)the European docs get all their medical insurance and they are taxes to the hilt…they don’t have much in way of malpractice costs (including cost of unneccesary test et al in addition to premiums and self insured claims)….realize doc’s run a practice where they basically take expenses out the pay themselves what’s left…
This compensation issue and material shortage issue are at the heart of this…but perhaps more of an issue is that most doc’s want to take care of people..the imbalance in the system makes this difficult and they are stepping out or medicaid or going to concierge medicine..
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
11:40 am
Looks like the GOP is trying to shore up the votes of all the Goldline-patronizing Glenn Beckerheads out there.
http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/27/13458439-gops-gold-standard-idea-comes-up-short?lite
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:42 am
CJ,
I am a consulting actuary so I assure you I have no problem with math and it won’t hunt this crap legislation. Name me any insurance like product the government runs that doesn’t cost trillions more than any 10 year projection by CBO..
The result of this crappy missive will be the historic (except for Medicare and SS) imbalance of premium to losses….taxpayers will get screwed.
I suggest you get your nose into some of the SEC filings of the major health insurers and look under “Risks and Uncertainties” Rate will explode and they are already advising that even the projected rate increases they will be allowed won’t be enough..
TBone
August 27th, 2012
11:43 am
If the only thing you have is tear down Obama’s opponent cause you sure as hell can’t run on his utter lack of accomplishments, it has really gotten old. Find a new schtick, your socialist is toast come November.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:43 am
it be nice to hear Obama suggest why we should re-elect him
* Closed the prescription drug doughnut hole for seniors.
* Eliminated the risk for people with health insurance to run out of health insurance (and go bankrupt) by eliminating lifetime limits and caps.
* Prevents insurers from charging more or denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.
* No co-pays for check-ups and preventive care.
* Eliminated significant waste, fraud, abuse in Medicare…adding to its life while reducing deficits.
* Stopped the economy from losing 800,000 jobs per month, and saved or added millions of jobs.
* Brought the American auto industry back to life.
* Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
* Appointed two good female justices to the Supreme Court
* Commander-in-chief responsible for finding and killing Osama bin Laden.
* Commander-in-chief responsible for decimating al Queda.
* Commander-in-chief responsible for the death of Moammar Gadhafi (by leading from behind).
Tip of the iceberg…
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:43 am
Stevie Ray – You are new on here? As you have probably noticed I am being censored/ moderated) for every comment I make because I don’t bow down and kiss Obama’s skinny butt. If he would give up them smokes he would gain a little weight but he wouldn’t be able to blow as much smoke up our ( you know where). As a President I think Obama would make an excellent ambulance chasing lawyer. He came in to office with NO experience and his on the job training has cost us billions down the rat hole. In the private sector he would have already been FIRED. NAIVE is not a quality I look for in someone that I want to be President. Obama is the true definition of naive when it comes to the economy.
Skip
August 27th, 2012
11:44 am
As one that lives about 75 miles from Atlanta let me inform you. I’m on Medicare and could see my Dr. tomorrow if need. If he was to be unavailable I have a back-up, no appointment needed.
SBinf
August 27th, 2012
11:44 am
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/asked-in-2008-if-would-bring-romneycare-national#HTWF2
2008 Romney has some serious splainin’ to do.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:45 am
CJ,
Also, I believe the president and congress have only a fraction of ability to create jobs that aren’t government…I thought I as mistaken to an extent relative to shovel ready jobs but once again, they let us down.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
11:46 am
As you have probably noticed I am being censored/ moderated) for every comment I make because I don’t bow down and kiss Obama’s skinny butt.
RB from Gwinnett
August 27th, 2012
11:46 am
When is Obama going to take unscripted questions from the media or the public? What could he possibly be avoiding?? Why is there no media hysteria about it?
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:47 am
Mitt Romney has no more moral core as a person than the ruthless, predatory capitalism he personifies.
That brings to mind something I read a while back:
USA, Inc.:
– Board of Directors – the 1%
– CEO – Whatever puppet we put in charge commonly called the “President of the USA”.
– CFO – Another puppet that has to have military defense companies in his back pocket in order to give out a couple of no bid contracts.
– Stockholders – China (since we owe them),Middle East, (Why else did we send thousands to die on their shores if they weren’t stockholders?)
Ukraine, Russia, and anyone else we can sell off pieces of America to.
– Workforce — China, India, Any poor 3rd world country in South America, Somalia, etc. As long as we can make a buck we don’t care.
– The American People – Patsies who foot the bill.
philosopher
August 27th, 2012
11:47 am
Mr. Marcus – Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
I will be stealing that one.
11:35 am
Well-said…thanks for my Monday morning laugh!
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:50 am
good ole rb,
Deflect and blame our President.
So predictable.
None of the issues matters to cons.
Facts don’t matter.
Just got to get Obama.
Stop pretending to be intelligent.
You are not.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:50 am
stevie ray,
Your suggestion that your math is better than the CBOs won’t hunt. The rest of the industrialized world can provide quality health care for all of their citizens for nearly half the price, relatively speaking. If they can provide universal health care while reducing costs, then so can we.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
11:50 am
I like it when wingnuts can rage about the ACA and then, in the next breath, excoriate President Obama because ‘he ain’t done nuthin.’
Well, if he ‘ain’t done nuthin,’ whut about that there ACA?
Herp de Derp!
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:51 am
Obama’s major “accomplishment”? Furthered the increase in the federal deficit and the march towards a major depression in 2013.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:52 am
Obama gets an “F” in Economics 101.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:52 am
CJ,
Sure but his MO on most of those you mentioned what to throw our money at the problems…The Medicare thingy is debatable..the stimulus was a collossal failure..unless of course someone can produce W-2’s for all those jobs his stimulus allegedly created. His deficit spending is way out of control and will haunt us for years to come.
MORALITY,
Been on this post for over a year…much to the chagrin of the far rights and far lefties…I call them red and blue sheep….
I really like what JAY puts out there for us to bounce around…I learn a lot despite much on here I disagree with…I am a moderate with libertarian leanings and completely godless….real puzzle who to vote for as I think it doesn’t matter a flip until the private money is take out of DC politics..all this hand-jive about which party is the biggest idiot is fun at times but most can’t see the forest and are mired in the twigs…
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:53 am
They are like two year olds, reaching in their diapers, grabbing poo and slinging it at our President.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:54 am
CJ,
As an aside I have a joke for you…What is the difference between a blimp and 365 bj’s?
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:55 am
Obama also flunks Morality 101.
Michael
August 27th, 2012
11:56 am
Two of Romney’s signature achievements are providing universal health coverage in Massachusetts and managing the Olympics in Salt Lake City. In both cases he turned to the federal government to make the programs work. Who will he turn to, if he is elected president? The UN?
Romney’s current problems are hurricane Akin and hurricane Isaac. Now the republican governors will spend the next two days calling FEMA and the president to make sure federal emergency management systems are in place for Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
What are the odds of 3 hurricanes during 2 conventions?
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:57 am
the stimulus was a collossal failure..
stevie ray,
The level of misinformation that you maintain is off the charts: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/congressional-budget-office-defends-stimulus/2012/06/06/gJQAnFnjJV_story.html
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:57 am
Obama’s promises in 2008 (putting wall streeters in jail,
WHEN did he promise that? Please provide the link – all these years I must’ve missed that one.
putting telecoms in jail,
Oh this is gonna be good! Could i get another link please?
eliminate the lobbyists control of DC agenda, cutting deficit
Those two are easier said than done. He’s made some headway with the deficit but lobbyists? It’ll be easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle, etc. etc., etc.
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lawyer. He came in to office with NO experienc
Please name one first term president who came on the job with “experience of being a president”. I’ll wait.
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When is Obama going to take unscripted questions from the media or the public
ANSWER: The exact same time that Romney does.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:58 am
“Name me any insurance like product the government runs that doesn’t cost trillions more than any 10 year projection by CBO.
Sure, Stevie Ray, I’d be glad to do so: Medicare Part D.
As the Kaiser Family Foundation noted in May, citing the CBO:
“The cost of the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit has been of interest since the program was enacted into law as the centerpiece of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 (MMA). The most recent numbers show that actual net Part D spending has been about 30 percent lower than the initial projections made by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in 2003 during legislative consideration of the MMA.”
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:59 am
CJ,
Those systems are a single payer (I like) versus a combination that keeps those HC and Insurance polical money flowing..We are not financially ready to jump right into this because under any measure we are broke and need to jettison some expense before undertaking such shotty and self serving legislation…
I have more in common with CBO actuaries…we both tend to spend inordinate time staring at our shoes and are generally never around 10 -15 years out when the hens come to roost…Can you point me to a report card on the efficacy of CBO 10-20 year predictions?
It’s all about the data…if it’s flawed your result is flawed…
ken
August 27th, 2012
12:00 pm
Obama cannot say ” Your better off now “. But I’ll bet he will try.
GT
August 27th, 2012
12:01 pm
The Republican Party has hidden about every bad actor they have. They could have a larger convention of the people who influence the party but are not to be seen in public in Tampa, somewhere else this week. The real party not the usual suspects they have gathered for public watching.
I wonder if the ghost of New Orleans has taken offense to this charade and in some spiritual way unlocked a hurricane in memory of a low point in American history that won’t be mentioned in this convention hall. It is almost like, “try to hide this while you are working so hard to make the American public forget who you really are!”. You can’t run from lies forever. The country needs help but bringing the abuser back into the house is not the kind of help we are talking about. If the Republcan Party could see itself for what it really is and say this is not healthy for the whole of America they would fix it. Lets try to help them!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
12:01 pm
skydog: ‘If a southern youngster wants to get into Industrial Construction they have to move north.”
That’s interesting. Do you have any sources on that? Just curious.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
All of Obama’s “accomplishments” you listed are just more hand outs to buy your vote. Some day that check you are getting in the mail won’t cash and you can thank Obama and curse yourself for voting for this pending disaster. Medicare is on life support – will be completely bankrupt soon under the Obamanation Plan. Social Security? Sorry to break the news to you but we are now taking out more money than we are putting in. Downward slope to bankruptcy under the so called ObamaNation Plan.
Holy Moly!
August 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
Off topic – Charlie Crist is speaking at the Democratic Convention – I am a bit shocked. Could be real interesting.
LossOfGravity
August 27th, 2012
12:03 pm
Mitt Romney’s Top 10 Management Rules 1) Money is the Measure of all things, not Man. 2) Whether in Business, Politics, or the Jungle, a chameleon may change views from Blue to Red, but GREEN is what goes with everything! 3) Remember that Higher Profits are always possible, it’s just that People keep getting in the way. 4) A Reputation is Rewarding, except when it costs too much. 5) Keep Secrets & don’t trust the Wisdom of the Crowd, but Convince them to Trust You. 6) Always pursue Power so as to make larger profits! 7) Always spread the Risk by making the general public pay!
Remember that the Proud & the Poor will always pay the highest percentage! 9) Kill a Pension & Save a Business! 10) Do the Right Thing by adhering to the exact letter of the law and having made sure you helped write the law!
Woody
August 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
Well, the man is just trying to get elected. He’s got the Tea Party wackos to satisfy and now the aptly named War on Women to contend with. In some sort of strange only-Nixon-could-have-gone-to-China way, it could very well be that only Romney could bring us the single-payer national healthcare system that begs to be put into place. I agree, he keeps his real thoughts to himself, and that makes buying Romney like buying a pig-in-a-poke. I’m a Hillary person, I’m mildly happy with Mr. O, but I do think that Romney as president would not be the disaster some make it out to be. We might need someone inscrutable to keep Mr. Putin on his toes.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
JAY,
Bad example..I think, correct me if i’m wrong that SS and Medicare where to be cost neutral at inception..look at them now…what do you suppose Medicare D will financially look like when recipients increase by 40% or so in coming years…Medicare D will be another unsustainable ponzi scheme like others and to boot, the incoming revenue will pale to benefits paid so we are looking at several trillion additional unfunded liabilty..
Bear in mind the reason they toss around numbers that suggests 85% of Medicare dollars go to claims payments is a flawed comparison to private insurers who are paying perhaps 65-70%…this is because insurers have to remain solvent as tested by ratios established by the states..(folks that work for your close personal freind DEAL)…in other words, insurer accounting has to balance assets and liabilities otherwise they lose license…the government can maintain unfunded liabilities til the end of time..
gm
August 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
Wow and the big storm is comming, guess who is going to to help all the hypocriite on the right with support and money to rebuild their homes? you guess it Government.
If I am President Obama, I would not appear in Lousiana with Bobby Jindal this is the same hypocrite day after day blame the gov for running up debt but never mention the money his state along with others the money they have taken, trep hypocrites will be bashing Obama and gov all week, but at the same time asking for money, these people are a disgrace to America, along with the tea party idiots.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
I love how someone named “Morality” is lying and making things up here. It’s almost as funny as our statist poster Ragnar naming himself after an Ayn Rand character.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
THOSE WITH THE MOST TOYS…STILL DIE.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
“…and could see my Dr. tomorrow if need. If he was to be unavailable I have a back-up, no appointment needed.”
yep, scaring you is all they have left. The monkeypoo they fling is much
more of a health hazard, guaranteed.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
Experience is what you need in certain areas before you run for President. Foreign Policy for example. Obama’s “experience” is class action lawsuits. He knows how to work the system and shake down people for a buck. That is not the kind of experience needed to be President. He has NO clue of how economics works. He’s a far left socialist, groomed by the likes of Rev Rat and his ilk.
Paul
August 27th, 2012
12:11 pm
Saw the Romney family interview on Fox New Sunday. Very good impression. Came across very well. After I said to Mrs. paul ‘he came across well.. caring.. but his policy statements and his advisors are not in sync with that interview. Mrs. paul surmised he’s moving past appeasing the base… but I still have doubts he can.
Bush jettisoned the Religious Right partway into his first term. Problem is, much of the Republican Party seems dominated by them now.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:11 pm
I’m not sure why that’s a bad example, Stevie Ray. You insisted no such programs exists; I’ve shown that it does. As to Social Security, projections show it to be fiscally sound through 2038, more than 25 years from now, and with a few minor tweaks it can be made solvent for much much longer.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:12 pm
ST SIMONS,
Are you refering to doctors in ST SIMONs?
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
Every thing I have said is true. If anyone lies – look in the mirror.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
Zombies for Obama…….. the brain dead vote Obama.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
Morality — “Every thing I have said is true.”
Another lie.
You offer lots of baseless and unsourced opinion. You also present factually incorrect claims. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Lies make baby jesus cry.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
Liberals sure are funny! It is so sad they can be the death of the greatest nation that ever existed. They have rationalized themselves out of freedom and dependency onto government. What has Obama accomplished that the government did not give him?
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
JAY,
I simply don’t trust that Medicare D will continue to hold the line with influx of 40% more insureds in coming years..you are correct that after 10 years…things look good to be certain..
Who on earth can rely on SS projection in 25 years…the only certainty, like those opinions i provide, is that the number will be wrong…how wrong no one knows..the reason all these projections are for the most part bogus is that the data doesn’t take into effect the politics at hand.
Also, what do you consider the ss and Medicare contributions will have to be for those on the last in side of any of the ponzi’s? I don’t trust them so I’m in favor of massive reform that we can afford.
Tom Middleton
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
But even though Mitt is a spineless willy-nilly when it comes to his politics, he’ll still have to govern as a “severe conservative” to avoid his base turning on him like they did over Andrea Saul. And as we know all too well, they are dictators, Jay, who care little to nothing about what the most of us want and care about the most for those we love.
Rather it’s all about the wealthy and giving them more and more money at the expense of the poor and middle class, and for what, jobs? Giving the wealthy more money doesn’t create jobs, it creates higher deficits; and probably the biggest reason they don’t want to talk about the Bush years, especially now, is that he proved this, as did Reagan, beyond a reasonable doubt!
And what’s the difference between Presidents Reagan and Bush? Reagan raised taxes 11 times to try and cover his gross mistakes, but the extreme-conservative Neocons, formed in reaction to what Reagan did, like Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney and Grover ”anti-tax pledge” Norquist, prevented Bush from raising taxes to try and cover his.
We the People know what works, Jay, and it’s empowering the middle class to become once again the primary economic engine of a flourishing capitalist economy, not continuing to feed the rich even more of what they do not need, like Mitt Romney would certainly be forced to do!
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
If I were runnin as the communist leader for president I would advocate more jobs and have a believable plan leading that way.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
Those that don’t have an intelligent response resort to name calling. Mindless Zombies for Obama have no logic.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
JOE/MORALITY,
Diaper rash also made baby jesus cry…
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
stevie ray,
Prove it or zip it.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
12:20 pm
“We the People know what works, Jay, and it’s empowering the middle class to become once again the primary economic engine of a flourishing capitalist economy, not continuing to feed the rich even more of what they do not need, like Mitt Romney would certainly be forced to do!”
They profess to be wise thus became fools.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
Rope A Dope definition: Rope-a-dope is a boxing strategy that involves taking hits repeatedly until the opponent is exhausted, and then taking advantage.
SIDENOTE: Rope a dope is said to have been one of the causes of Ali’s Parkinson’s disease.
There is nothing new in attacking Mitt Romney for his years at Bain or his uncaring mien. Mike Huckabee’s famous quip that voters would ultimately disdain Romney because he “looks like the guy that fired you” has become the essence of the Obama strategy to define Romney before the fall race begins.
The Romney campaign response to Democrat attacks seems to reflect either a lack of preparedness or a view that what happens now will not materially matter once the real race starts. It is simply inconceivable that the Romney camp did not anticipate the Bain attacks — after all, Romney has faced them before. Nor does it seem possible — despite Abby Huntsman’s suggestion that Romney would resign the campaign before releasing more tax returns — that the campaign does not ultimately plan to release all of Romney’s financial information. Therefore, one has to believe that we are watching a rope-a-dope strategy of letting the summer weeks go by, content to let Team Obama punch itself out.
But more than just violating his own political rule, by whining about attacks on Bain and outsourcing, Romney is missing an opportunity to take on the central issue that has been missing from this presidential race.
Mitt Romney had a front seat during this era of massive economic change. He sat in corporate boardrooms where decisions were made to reduce costs or otherwise seek strategic advantage. Reducing costs and seeking competitive advantage are part and parcel of corporate strategy in competitive markets. Companies do this, or they die. And seeing such companies survive rather than die was the work that Bain Capital specialized in. If Bain Capital advised its portfolio companies to outsource manufacturing or services — and it is inconceivable that it did not — this was not out of animus to workers, but just part of the job. That is the way it is in the real world.
And the way it is in the real world is what Mitt Romney and Barack Obama should be talking about. The American worker has been lied to for decades. Election year after election year, politicians pronounce the American worker the best in the world, as if this was meaningful. Rarely does a politician speak the truth: for decades now, American workers have been thrown to the wolves, first in the interest of Cold War foreign policy, and more recently in the interests of a political and corporate elites that profit mightily from globalization.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
wille,
Stop pretending.
You swallow any lie.
Jefferson
August 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
When asked about the hurricanes, Romney replied ” What about the Caymans?’
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
Did Herman Cain really say “aw shucky ducky” ?
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
rim shot.
GT
August 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
“just more hand outs to buy your vote”
I wonder which is worse, a politician who pays the voter to vote for him or a politician who gets paid to vote against the voter? Both are pretty serious, I agree and really only one is actually happening.
Larry
August 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
If the federal government had not stepped in, with “ObamaCare”, my wife and I would not have health insurance today. Georgia doesn’t give a lick about it’s people, anymore. We are one of the worst states in the nation when it comes to mortality rates, and those without insurance.
The federal high risk pool isn’t cheap by any stretch of the imagination ($600-$700 each), but we don’t fear losing our lives anymore from being formerly uninsurable, nor losing everything we have worked for, all our lives.
There are too many red states that have an Ayn Rand attitude when it comes to their caring for their neighbors. Leaving health care to the states would lead to unnecessary deaths in this country. I don’t know what happen to American values, love for our fellowman. We are not the same country of my youth. We could and should be better.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
GETALIFE,
What prove i don’t trust government to spend our cash responsibly..prove the CBO’s or actuaries in general can only predict out several years with very low accuracy…that there exists a horrid shortage of DOC’s…heres some factual stuff about docs…NYTIMES..the ultimate in liberal rags no less…
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/health/policy/too-few-doctors-in-many-us-communities.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
NYTIMES..the ultimate in liberal rags no less…
There’s your sign.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
stevie,
Lost me at what.
If it fails, we joint the rest of the civilized world like Canada..
It might be designed to do just that.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
JAY and CJ,,
Much has been written in too many journals, white papers and newspapers to validate shortage of docs and nurses..heres one I provide to GETALIFE you may find believable.
Jay great stuff today..gotta jump..
When you gonna post some bi partisan stuff on the money train in DC..No shortage of material..
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
Morality — “Those that don’t have an intelligent response resort to name calling.”
A quick review of your posts in this thread reveals that you frequently resort to same; ergo, you have no intelligent criticisms to make.
“Mindless Zombies for Obama have no logic.”
I will not cast my pearls before namecalling swine.
See that, everyone? “Morality” decries namecalling, yet eagerly engages in it. (laughing)
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
All of Obama’s “accomplishments” you listed are just more hand outs to buy your vote
His authorizing the killing of OBL was a handout for my vote? Wow! who knew? PS: Why didn’t Dubya do that too?
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Experience is what you need in certain areas before you run for President. Foreign Policy for example
Oh so by your Own STATEMENT, how much “experience’ does Romney have? i mean be honest here a moment, the man almost got beeyootch slapped by the queen when he was in england for only a few days during the olympics! So, again, what’s Romney’s “experience” in foreign matters?
Heck you guys are too easy you take the fun out of this!
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
stevie, i was agreeing with an earlier poster (skip) who is in central
Georgia, i believe.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
When you gonna post some…
Go to blogspot.com.
Create your own blog.
Choose whatever topic you wish to discuss.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
Overthrow the government riot porn SHEETS!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
“NYTIMES..the ultimate in liberal rags no less… ”
The NY Times is the quintessentially slavish institution, absolutely prostrate to power, only outdone by its cousin the Washington Post.
The fact that the masses are deluded into thinking the NY Times is some sort of font of leftist radicalism is one of the crueler jokes for those of us in the know.
As Chris Hedges says, the NYT is virtually unparalleled in its slavish “subservience to authority and abject careerism”.
The NYT is “fear-ridden and oppressive place to work. The Times newsroom, like most corporate nerve centers, is a labyrinth of intrigue, gossip, back-biting, rumor, false piety, rampant ambition, betrayal and deception. Those who play this game well are repugnant.”
THAT is your ‘liberal’ bastion the New York Times.
GT
August 27th, 2012
12:40 pm
Larry there is actually a lot of people exactly like you who vote the Republican ticket. In fact I can’t think of a state in America that needs to be Democrat more than Georgia. Our way of life is the millstone around our necks.
Mary Matalin mumbled something yesterday about how the red states have held up their economic responsibilities on one of those Sunday morning shows. I about dropped my cereal in my lap. Have you come to Georgia lately? If we have jobs it is because our bar of employment was not high to began with. Outside nuclear waste about everything goes here. And the quality of life employed or not is about the lowest in the country, in fact it is lower than many third world counties. What on this ,use to be, green earth can scare these terminally ill and lost people worse than what they suffer now?
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Disability is the Obama welfare – tripled since Obama got in office. Lawyers on T.V. night and day trumpeting how it is your “right” to be on disability and for a small fee (25% of your check for the next two years) they can get you on disability. Another “right” endowed by the Zombie leader – Obama.
Jack
August 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Everytime Bookman takes a whack at Romney and supports Obama, I always remember he voted for Romney in the primary. There’s some serious fence-straddling going on.
John Birch
August 27th, 2012
12:43 pm
How odd that the Republican’s presidential candidate and platform are so pathetic that they won’t be able to unseat the current lame President, but will still win a mojority of the seats in Congress!
Here’s my summary of changes in our worst problems after 3 1/2 years of Obama.
Debt and deficits – significantly worse
Tens of trillions of unfunded entitlement programs – worse (see Obamacare)
Americans dying for nothing in the Middle East – better, but still happening
Unemployment – no progress
Illegal aliens – worse
Woe is us.
yuzeyurbrane
August 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
This is the Romney I like—affordable, quality healthcare for all.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
The only sector of the economy booming under the Obama Plan is Health Care. Listen carefully and try to comprehend. 2013 will be the year the Health Care “bubble” bursts because the gub’ment will send out that check but the banks won’t cover it for insufficient funds. Like Samuel L. Jackson said in “Ebony Magazine” I didn’t vote for Obama for no GD plan to save this country. Obama ain’t got no plan to save this country. I voted for Obama ‘ cause he’s black”. At least SLJ was honest.
SMMcMahon
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Old people aren’t foolish. Most of them aren’t all that healthy, either.
Everyone should realize that if Republicans repeal “Obamacare” and Romney/Ryan went ahead with the voucher system than about 90% of Medicare eligible folks would be totally SCREWED!
Try going out at age 70 to buy yourself some health insurance with your stinking voucher. So you’ve got high blood pressure, prostate cancer, osteoporosis or heart disease. Sorry, that’s a pre-existing condition which WOULD have been covered under Obamacare, but no longer. We’re sorry, but your medications won’t be covered, either. And be happy because you didn’t have to go before any death panel to arrive at this sorry state.
I think we have to live with a fact about the GOP. The party cannot ever tell people, even their supporters, at least the ones that aren’t millionaires, what they will actually do if they have the chance. If they did, they would never elect another Republican to national office. They get away with it in some congressional districts – the ones gerrymandered to the point of idiocy. But, not with most Senate races and definitely not for President.
Consequently the GOP must lie, obfuscate and demonize the opponent to elect a President. We get lies about them wanting to preserve Medicare. They can’t tell the truth – they want to eliminate it, they always have. They can’t tell the truth about lowering taxes for the wealthy – it’s not about creating jobs, it’s about taking care of their big donors. They can’t tell the truth about global warming – they know it’s happening, they don’t care because any action to save the planet would hurt profits. They can’t tell the truth about spending – they are not against spending, they just want to spend on the military and their corporate sponsors. The can’t tell the truth about the size of government – they don’t want a small government, they want a government so big it can police every womb and ensure you only marry the “right” person.
To elect a President, Republicans have to lie because no one in their right mind would buy what they are actually selling.
And to the comment that their plan would only affect those under 55 (changed,as a “concession”), well, I’m under 55 (just) and after paying into the plan for the past 35 years, I object, and my parents are not that selfish to not object its effect on their children and grandchildren.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
ObamaCare is the final “bubble”. So it doesn’t matter how many gub’ment giveaway programs Obama passes. Worldwide depression – that’s the Obama Plan.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
Gub’ment backed healthcare is just a giant Ponzi scheme. Gub’ment backed health care? Backed with what pray tell Jay? Haven’t you heard that the gub’ment is trillions in debt and getting deeper every day Obama’s in office? As long as Obama is in office you will get that check but it won’t cash at the bank. Bust goes the final health care “bubble”.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
August 27th, 2012
10:03 am
Moderate Line,
that he has released and the indication from it that he was an active investor as late as 2010.
I am not trying to make a rebuttal. I merely stated the facts. An independent analysis from Factcheck.org found the evidence that you point to be insufficent to prove the point.
We will need more physical evidence, in the form of many years of complete tax returns, in order to properly address that issue.
No matter how much evidence he tries it would never be enough. It is like the birth certificate issue no matter what Obama does the right will never be satisfied. Also, the burden of proof should be placed on the person make accusations not on the person having to prove his innocence. I thought the left believed in such things.
Cosby
August 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Dandelion seed?? Read what is oput in front of him??? Hmmm wonder about the tele prompters used by Barry. Everyone knows that romney Care is a strike against him, but it takes three strikes. Barry, on the other hand is not even in the game..Gas at less than $2.00 a gallon when he took office, after spedning billions of dollars to his cronies, the job picture is as bleak as ever, more people on food stamsp than when the program was started, a trillion dollar deficit spending every year since he took office, Billions transferred from Medicare to pay for Obama Care, not to mention the death panel in Obama Care, no budget passed in three years, of course Barry sent a few over but it vwas an entire joke, the country is more desvisive than ever and all you want to do is talk about Mitt. Oh well, you just have to love, Barry, Harry, Nancy, Joe, Debbie, Chuckie and the rest of the goones who want to steal all the miney and play daddy. Must be that tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
Mitt Who Are You?........Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
@Cosby
August 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Oh well, you just have to love, Barry, Harry, Nancy, Joe, Debbie, Chuckie and the rest of the goones who Cosby
August 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Dandelion seed?? Read what is oput in front of him??? Hmmm wonder about the tele prompters used by Barry. Everyone knows that romney Care is a strike against him, but it takes three strikes. Barry, on the other hand is not even in the game..Gas at less than $2.00 a gallon when he took office, after spedning billions of dollars to his cronies, the job picture is as bleak as ever, more people on food stamsp than when the program was started, a trillion dollar deficit spending every year since he took office, Billions transferred from Medicare to pay for Obama Care, not to mention the death panel in Obama Care, no budget passed in three years, of course Barry sent a few over but it vwas an entire joke, the country is more desvisive than ever and all you want to do is talk about Mitt. Oh well, you just have to love, Barry, Harry, Nancy, Joe, Debbie, Chuckie and the rest of the goones who want to steal all the miney and play daddy. Must be that tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
Must be that tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
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Myth Robme WANTS you to wear RELIGIOUS UNDERWEAR SO you
won’t FEEL THAT tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
They come in SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, EX-LARGE, 1X, 2X, 3X, etc.
WHAT IS YOUR SIZE?
Mitt Who Are You?........Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
@Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
ObamaCare is the final “bubble”. So it doesn’t matter how many gub’ment giveaway programs Obama passes. Worldwide depression – that’s the Obama Plan.
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What is the Myth Robme plan?
Everyone should wear RELIGIOUS UNDERWEAR?
Tell me WHAT IS HIS PLAN?
Mitt Who Are You?........Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
@SMMcMahon
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Old people aren’t foolish. Most of them aren’t all that healthy, either.
Everyone should realize that if Republicans repeal “Obamacare” and Romney/Ryan went ahead with the voucher system than about 90% of Medicare eligible folks would be totally SCREWED!
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CONS would VOTE AGAINST their own interest to get RID OF OBAMA.
CONS would throw their mothers, grandmothers, fathers, grandfathers
under the bus to get rid of Obama.
Do CONS hate Obama MORE THAN THEY LOVE YOUR FAMILY?
SHAME OF THE CONS.
tireofit
August 27th, 2012
1:43 pm
“fear-ridden and oppressive place to work” sounds like a lot of corporations today.
Mitt Who Are You?......Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
@Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Disability is the Obama welfare – tripled since Obama got in office. Lawyers on T.V. night and day trumpeting how it is your “right” to be on disability and for a small fee (25% of your check for the next two years) they can get you on disability. Another “right” endowed by the Zombie leader – Obama.
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Blame Obama………blah blah blah
Are you people dumb or just stupid?
Anyone that would trust a man who wears Religious underwear
can’t be too bright.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:34 am
Both are liars but your guy lies more. Nanny nanny boo boo!!!
Moderate Line insisted on making it a “your guy lies more” exchange with his “full flop count” post, so I responded in kind. I’m just that kinda guy. Anyone want to talk about jobs instead. We could start with the Republican 2010 Jobs campaign.
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insisted on making it a “your guy lies more” exchange Where did I say your guy lies more. I merely pointed out that Obama has 12 flops to Romney’s 3. It is always easy to win an argument when you put words in people mouths. I believe if you read my post I am pretty consistant on saying BOTH are flip floppers and BOTH are liars. Read my post at 9:35 am.
There is really no way to defend either one of these guys which is my point.
Mitt Who Are You?.......Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Glenn Beck is another MORMON lunatic.
Beck has acknowledged that the Mormon “doctrine is different” from traditional Christianity, but said that
this was what attracted him to it, stating that “for me some of the things in traditional doctrine just doesn’t
work.”
Mitt Who Are You?....Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
2:07 pm
RNC GAVELED OPEN.
Lord help us.
LET THE CIRCUS AND CLOWN SHOW BEGIN.
Ooops.
RNC OPENS THEN GOES INTO RECESS.
They got the nerve to open with a prayer.
HYPOCRITES.
THE CROWD IS LILLY WHITE. Where are the negroes?
They all look like lower and almost middle class people.
They better be careful ISAAC ain’t through yet.
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August 27th, 2012
6:13 pm
this is what the election should be about….
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