Romney again endorses gov’t-backed health care for all
Earlier this month, the conservative base of the Republican Party went nuts, demanding the head of Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul. Why?
Because in discussing the fate of steelworkers laid off when Bain Capital closed their Missouri plant, Saul had had the audacity to note:
“To that point, you know, if people had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care. There are a lot of people losing their jobs and their health care in President Obama’s economy.”
Rush Limbaugh erupted. Erick Erickson suggested that Saul’s statement might be the moment in which Romney lost the campaign and the trust of conservatives. “Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again,” he wrote.
And Ann Coulter went on the Hannity show to fume:
“Anyone who donates to Mitt Romney — and I mean the big donors — ought to call Mitt Romney and say if Andrea Saul isn’t fired and off the campaign tomorrow, they are not giving another dime. Because it is not worth fighting for this man if this is the kind of spokesman he has to respond to this by citing health care in Massachusetts.”
Saul was not fired, and over the weekend, Romney himself told Fox News:
“I’m the guy who was able to get all the health care for all the women and men for my state. They were talking about it at the federal level. We actually did something, and we did it without cutting Medicare and without raising taxes.”
For the record, Romney did it without a state tax hike thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal Medicaid subsidies for Massachusetts. In fact, a year ago the Beacon Hill Institute, a Massachusetts think tank, estimated that since 2006, the “federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts,” and that overall, “The state has been able to shift the majority of the costs to the federal government.”
But the larger point is, what are conservatives are going to do now? Demand a new nominee, on the eve of the GOP convention? What’s Rush going to say, just hours before the coronation begins? My guess is that he will say nothing. They’ll attack the young female spokesperson, but not the candidate himself.
It also once again betrays the fundamental emptiness at the core of the Romney campaign for president. He has shown himself willing to read any script given to him, and to try unconvincingly to spout the principles of others as if they were his own. The ability to lead implies the ability to first be yourself, and I see no sign of that in the man.
He does not merely bend in the wind, he is a veritable dandelion seed, carried lightly hither and yon on the slightest bit of breeze, landing we know not where. The Republicans see that about him, and fear it, even if they dare not acknowledge it.
– Jay Bookman
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philosopher
August 27th, 2012
11:47 am
Mr. Marcus – Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
I will be stealing that one.
11:35 am
Well-said…thanks for my Monday morning laugh!
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:50 am
good ole rb,
Deflect and blame our President.
So predictable.
None of the issues matters to cons.
Facts don’t matter.
Just got to get Obama.
Stop pretending to be intelligent.
You are not.
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:50 am
stevie ray,
Your suggestion that your math is better than the CBOs won’t hunt. The rest of the industrialized world can provide quality health care for all of their citizens for nearly half the price, relatively speaking. If they can provide universal health care while reducing costs, then so can we.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
11:50 am
I like it when wingnuts can rage about the ACA and then, in the next breath, excoriate President Obama because ‘he ain’t done nuthin.’
Well, if he ‘ain’t done nuthin,’ whut about that there ACA?
Herp de Derp!
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:51 am
Obama’s major “accomplishment”? Furthered the increase in the federal deficit and the march towards a major depression in 2013.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:52 am
Obama gets an “F” in Economics 101.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:52 am
CJ,
Sure but his MO on most of those you mentioned what to throw our money at the problems…The Medicare thingy is debatable..the stimulus was a collossal failure..unless of course someone can produce W-2’s for all those jobs his stimulus allegedly created. His deficit spending is way out of control and will haunt us for years to come.
MORALITY,
Been on this post for over a year…much to the chagrin of the far rights and far lefties…I call them red and blue sheep….
I really like what JAY puts out there for us to bounce around…I learn a lot despite much on here I disagree with…I am a moderate with libertarian leanings and completely godless….real puzzle who to vote for as I think it doesn’t matter a flip until the private money is take out of DC politics..all this hand-jive about which party is the biggest idiot is fun at times but most can’t see the forest and are mired in the twigs…
getalife
August 27th, 2012
11:53 am
They are like two year olds, reaching in their diapers, grabbing poo and slinging it at our President.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:54 am
CJ,
As an aside I have a joke for you…What is the difference between a blimp and 365 bj’s?
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
11:55 am
Obama also flunks Morality 101.
Michael
August 27th, 2012
11:56 am
Two of Romney’s signature achievements are providing universal health coverage in Massachusetts and managing the Olympics in Salt Lake City. In both cases he turned to the federal government to make the programs work. Who will he turn to, if he is elected president? The UN?
Romney’s current problems are hurricane Akin and hurricane Isaac. Now the republican governors will spend the next two days calling FEMA and the president to make sure federal emergency management systems are in place for Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
What are the odds of 3 hurricanes during 2 conventions?
CJ
August 27th, 2012
11:57 am
the stimulus was a collossal failure..
stevie ray,
The level of misinformation that you maintain is off the charts: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/congressional-budget-office-defends-stimulus/2012/06/06/gJQAnFnjJV_story.html
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
11:57 am
Obama’s promises in 2008 (putting wall streeters in jail,
WHEN did he promise that? Please provide the link – all these years I must’ve missed that one.
putting telecoms in jail,
Oh this is gonna be good! Could i get another link please?
eliminate the lobbyists control of DC agenda, cutting deficit
Those two are easier said than done. He’s made some headway with the deficit but lobbyists? It’ll be easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle, etc. etc., etc.
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lawyer. He came in to office with NO experienc
Please name one first term president who came on the job with “experience of being a president”. I’ll wait.
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When is Obama going to take unscripted questions from the media or the public
ANSWER: The exact same time that Romney does.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
11:58 am
“Name me any insurance like product the government runs that doesn’t cost trillions more than any 10 year projection by CBO.
Sure, Stevie Ray, I’d be glad to do so: Medicare Part D.
As the Kaiser Family Foundation noted in May, citing the CBO:
“The cost of the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit has been of interest since the program was enacted into law as the centerpiece of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 (MMA). The most recent numbers show that actual net Part D spending has been about 30 percent lower than the initial projections made by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in 2003 during legislative consideration of the MMA.”
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
11:59 am
CJ,
Those systems are a single payer (I like) versus a combination that keeps those HC and Insurance polical money flowing..We are not financially ready to jump right into this because under any measure we are broke and need to jettison some expense before undertaking such shotty and self serving legislation…
I have more in common with CBO actuaries…we both tend to spend inordinate time staring at our shoes and are generally never around 10 -15 years out when the hens come to roost…Can you point me to a report card on the efficacy of CBO 10-20 year predictions?
It’s all about the data…if it’s flawed your result is flawed…
ken
August 27th, 2012
12:00 pm
Obama cannot say ” Your better off now “. But I’ll bet he will try.
GT
August 27th, 2012
12:01 pm
The Republican Party has hidden about every bad actor they have. They could have a larger convention of the people who influence the party but are not to be seen in public in Tampa, somewhere else this week. The real party not the usual suspects they have gathered for public watching.
I wonder if the ghost of New Orleans has taken offense to this charade and in some spiritual way unlocked a hurricane in memory of a low point in American history that won’t be mentioned in this convention hall. It is almost like, “try to hide this while you are working so hard to make the American public forget who you really are!”. You can’t run from lies forever. The country needs help but bringing the abuser back into the house is not the kind of help we are talking about. If the Republcan Party could see itself for what it really is and say this is not healthy for the whole of America they would fix it. Lets try to help them!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
12:01 pm
skydog: ‘If a southern youngster wants to get into Industrial Construction they have to move north.”
That’s interesting. Do you have any sources on that? Just curious.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
All of Obama’s “accomplishments” you listed are just more hand outs to buy your vote. Some day that check you are getting in the mail won’t cash and you can thank Obama and curse yourself for voting for this pending disaster. Medicare is on life support – will be completely bankrupt soon under the Obamanation Plan. Social Security? Sorry to break the news to you but we are now taking out more money than we are putting in. Downward slope to bankruptcy under the so called ObamaNation Plan.
Holy Moly!
August 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
Off topic – Charlie Crist is speaking at the Democratic Convention – I am a bit shocked. Could be real interesting.
LossOfGravity
August 27th, 2012
12:03 pm
Mitt Romney’s Top 10 Management Rules 1) Money is the Measure of all things, not Man. 2) Whether in Business, Politics, or the Jungle, a chameleon may change views from Blue to Red, but GREEN is what goes with everything! 3) Remember that Higher Profits are always possible, it’s just that People keep getting in the way. 4) A Reputation is Rewarding, except when it costs too much. 5) Keep Secrets & don’t trust the Wisdom of the Crowd, but Convince them to Trust You. 6) Always pursue Power so as to make larger profits! 7) Always spread the Risk by making the general public pay!
Remember that the Proud & the Poor will always pay the highest percentage! 9) Kill a Pension & Save a Business! 10) Do the Right Thing by adhering to the exact letter of the law and having made sure you helped write the law!
Woody
August 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
Well, the man is just trying to get elected. He’s got the Tea Party wackos to satisfy and now the aptly named War on Women to contend with. In some sort of strange only-Nixon-could-have-gone-to-China way, it could very well be that only Romney could bring us the single-payer national healthcare system that begs to be put into place. I agree, he keeps his real thoughts to himself, and that makes buying Romney like buying a pig-in-a-poke. I’m a Hillary person, I’m mildly happy with Mr. O, but I do think that Romney as president would not be the disaster some make it out to be. We might need someone inscrutable to keep Mr. Putin on his toes.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
JAY,
Bad example..I think, correct me if i’m wrong that SS and Medicare where to be cost neutral at inception..look at them now…what do you suppose Medicare D will financially look like when recipients increase by 40% or so in coming years…Medicare D will be another unsustainable ponzi scheme like others and to boot, the incoming revenue will pale to benefits paid so we are looking at several trillion additional unfunded liabilty..
Bear in mind the reason they toss around numbers that suggests 85% of Medicare dollars go to claims payments is a flawed comparison to private insurers who are paying perhaps 65-70%…this is because insurers have to remain solvent as tested by ratios established by the states..(folks that work for your close personal freind DEAL)…in other words, insurer accounting has to balance assets and liabilities otherwise they lose license…the government can maintain unfunded liabilities til the end of time..
gm
August 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
Wow and the big storm is comming, guess who is going to to help all the hypocriite on the right with support and money to rebuild their homes? you guess it Government.
If I am President Obama, I would not appear in Lousiana with Bobby Jindal this is the same hypocrite day after day blame the gov for running up debt but never mention the money his state along with others the money they have taken, trep hypocrites will be bashing Obama and gov all week, but at the same time asking for money, these people are a disgrace to America, along with the tea party idiots.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
I love how someone named “Morality” is lying and making things up here. It’s almost as funny as our statist poster Ragnar naming himself after an Ayn Rand character.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
THOSE WITH THE MOST TOYS…STILL DIE.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
“…and could see my Dr. tomorrow if need. If he was to be unavailable I have a back-up, no appointment needed.”
yep, scaring you is all they have left. The monkeypoo they fling is much
more of a health hazard, guaranteed.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
Experience is what you need in certain areas before you run for President. Foreign Policy for example. Obama’s “experience” is class action lawsuits. He knows how to work the system and shake down people for a buck. That is not the kind of experience needed to be President. He has NO clue of how economics works. He’s a far left socialist, groomed by the likes of Rev Rat and his ilk.
Paul
August 27th, 2012
12:11 pm
Saw the Romney family interview on Fox New Sunday. Very good impression. Came across very well. After I said to Mrs. paul ‘he came across well.. caring.. but his policy statements and his advisors are not in sync with that interview. Mrs. paul surmised he’s moving past appeasing the base… but I still have doubts he can.
Bush jettisoned the Religious Right partway into his first term. Problem is, much of the Republican Party seems dominated by them now.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
12:11 pm
I’m not sure why that’s a bad example, Stevie Ray. You insisted no such programs exists; I’ve shown that it does. As to Social Security, projections show it to be fiscally sound through 2038, more than 25 years from now, and with a few minor tweaks it can be made solvent for much much longer.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:12 pm
ST SIMONS,
Are you refering to doctors in ST SIMONs?
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
Every thing I have said is true. If anyone lies – look in the mirror.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
Zombies for Obama…….. the brain dead vote Obama.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
Morality — “Every thing I have said is true.”
Another lie.
You offer lots of baseless and unsourced opinion. You also present factually incorrect claims. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Lies make baby jesus cry.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
Liberals sure are funny! It is so sad they can be the death of the greatest nation that ever existed. They have rationalized themselves out of freedom and dependency onto government. What has Obama accomplished that the government did not give him?
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
JAY,
I simply don’t trust that Medicare D will continue to hold the line with influx of 40% more insureds in coming years..you are correct that after 10 years…things look good to be certain..
Who on earth can rely on SS projection in 25 years…the only certainty, like those opinions i provide, is that the number will be wrong…how wrong no one knows..the reason all these projections are for the most part bogus is that the data doesn’t take into effect the politics at hand.
Also, what do you consider the ss and Medicare contributions will have to be for those on the last in side of any of the ponzi’s? I don’t trust them so I’m in favor of massive reform that we can afford.
Tom Middleton
August 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
But even though Mitt is a spineless willy-nilly when it comes to his politics, he’ll still have to govern as a “severe conservative” to avoid his base turning on him like they did over Andrea Saul. And as we know all too well, they are dictators, Jay, who care little to nothing about what the most of us want and care about the most for those we love.
Rather it’s all about the wealthy and giving them more and more money at the expense of the poor and middle class, and for what, jobs? Giving the wealthy more money doesn’t create jobs, it creates higher deficits; and probably the biggest reason they don’t want to talk about the Bush years, especially now, is that he proved this, as did Reagan, beyond a reasonable doubt!
And what’s the difference between Presidents Reagan and Bush? Reagan raised taxes 11 times to try and cover his gross mistakes, but the extreme-conservative Neocons, formed in reaction to what Reagan did, like Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney and Grover ”anti-tax pledge” Norquist, prevented Bush from raising taxes to try and cover his.
We the People know what works, Jay, and it’s empowering the middle class to become once again the primary economic engine of a flourishing capitalist economy, not continuing to feed the rich even more of what they do not need, like Mitt Romney would certainly be forced to do!
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
If I were runnin as the communist leader for president I would advocate more jobs and have a believable plan leading that way.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
Those that don’t have an intelligent response resort to name calling. Mindless Zombies for Obama have no logic.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
JOE/MORALITY,
Diaper rash also made baby jesus cry…
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
stevie ray,
Prove it or zip it.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
12:20 pm
“We the People know what works, Jay, and it’s empowering the middle class to become once again the primary economic engine of a flourishing capitalist economy, not continuing to feed the rich even more of what they do not need, like Mitt Romney would certainly be forced to do!”
They profess to be wise thus became fools.
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
Rope A Dope definition: Rope-a-dope is a boxing strategy that involves taking hits repeatedly until the opponent is exhausted, and then taking advantage.
SIDENOTE: Rope a dope is said to have been one of the causes of Ali’s Parkinson’s disease.
There is nothing new in attacking Mitt Romney for his years at Bain or his uncaring mien. Mike Huckabee’s famous quip that voters would ultimately disdain Romney because he “looks like the guy that fired you” has become the essence of the Obama strategy to define Romney before the fall race begins.
The Romney campaign response to Democrat attacks seems to reflect either a lack of preparedness or a view that what happens now will not materially matter once the real race starts. It is simply inconceivable that the Romney camp did not anticipate the Bain attacks — after all, Romney has faced them before. Nor does it seem possible — despite Abby Huntsman’s suggestion that Romney would resign the campaign before releasing more tax returns — that the campaign does not ultimately plan to release all of Romney’s financial information. Therefore, one has to believe that we are watching a rope-a-dope strategy of letting the summer weeks go by, content to let Team Obama punch itself out.
But more than just violating his own political rule, by whining about attacks on Bain and outsourcing, Romney is missing an opportunity to take on the central issue that has been missing from this presidential race.
Mitt Romney had a front seat during this era of massive economic change. He sat in corporate boardrooms where decisions were made to reduce costs or otherwise seek strategic advantage. Reducing costs and seeking competitive advantage are part and parcel of corporate strategy in competitive markets. Companies do this, or they die. And seeing such companies survive rather than die was the work that Bain Capital specialized in. If Bain Capital advised its portfolio companies to outsource manufacturing or services — and it is inconceivable that it did not — this was not out of animus to workers, but just part of the job. That is the way it is in the real world.
And the way it is in the real world is what Mitt Romney and Barack Obama should be talking about. The American worker has been lied to for decades. Election year after election year, politicians pronounce the American worker the best in the world, as if this was meaningful. Rarely does a politician speak the truth: for decades now, American workers have been thrown to the wolves, first in the interest of Cold War foreign policy, and more recently in the interests of a political and corporate elites that profit mightily from globalization.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
wille,
Stop pretending.
You swallow any lie.
Jefferson
August 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
When asked about the hurricanes, Romney replied ” What about the Caymans?’
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
Did Herman Cain really say “aw shucky ducky” ?
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
rim shot.
GT
August 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
“just more hand outs to buy your vote”
I wonder which is worse, a politician who pays the voter to vote for him or a politician who gets paid to vote against the voter? Both are pretty serious, I agree and really only one is actually happening.
Larry
August 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
If the federal government had not stepped in, with “ObamaCare”, my wife and I would not have health insurance today. Georgia doesn’t give a lick about it’s people, anymore. We are one of the worst states in the nation when it comes to mortality rates, and those without insurance.
The federal high risk pool isn’t cheap by any stretch of the imagination ($600-$700 each), but we don’t fear losing our lives anymore from being formerly uninsurable, nor losing everything we have worked for, all our lives.
There are too many red states that have an Ayn Rand attitude when it comes to their caring for their neighbors. Leaving health care to the states would lead to unnecessary deaths in this country. I don’t know what happen to American values, love for our fellowman. We are not the same country of my youth. We could and should be better.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
GETALIFE,
What prove i don’t trust government to spend our cash responsibly..prove the CBO’s or actuaries in general can only predict out several years with very low accuracy…that there exists a horrid shortage of DOC’s…heres some factual stuff about docs…NYTIMES..the ultimate in liberal rags no less…
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/health/policy/too-few-doctors-in-many-us-communities.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
NYTIMES..the ultimate in liberal rags no less…
There’s your sign.
getalife
August 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
stevie,
Lost me at what.
If it fails, we joint the rest of the civilized world like Canada..
It might be designed to do just that.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
JAY and CJ,,
Much has been written in too many journals, white papers and newspapers to validate shortage of docs and nurses..heres one I provide to GETALIFE you may find believable.
Jay great stuff today..gotta jump..
When you gonna post some bi partisan stuff on the money train in DC..No shortage of material..
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
Morality — “Those that don’t have an intelligent response resort to name calling.”
A quick review of your posts in this thread reveals that you frequently resort to same; ergo, you have no intelligent criticisms to make.
“Mindless Zombies for Obama have no logic.”
I will not cast my pearls before namecalling swine.
See that, everyone? “Morality” decries namecalling, yet eagerly engages in it. (laughing)
Mr. Marcus - Have Tingaling Will Travel
August 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
All of Obama’s “accomplishments” you listed are just more hand outs to buy your vote
His authorizing the killing of OBL was a handout for my vote? Wow! who knew? PS: Why didn’t Dubya do that too?
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Experience is what you need in certain areas before you run for President. Foreign Policy for example
Oh so by your Own STATEMENT, how much “experience’ does Romney have? i mean be honest here a moment, the man almost got beeyootch slapped by the queen when he was in england for only a few days during the olympics! So, again, what’s Romney’s “experience” in foreign matters?
Heck you guys are too easy you take the fun out of this!
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
stevie, i was agreeing with an earlier poster (skip) who is in central
Georgia, i believe.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
When you gonna post some…
Go to blogspot.com.
Create your own blog.
Choose whatever topic you wish to discuss.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
Overthrow the government riot porn SHEETS!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
“NYTIMES..the ultimate in liberal rags no less… ”
The NY Times is the quintessentially slavish institution, absolutely prostrate to power, only outdone by its cousin the Washington Post.
The fact that the masses are deluded into thinking the NY Times is some sort of font of leftist radicalism is one of the crueler jokes for those of us in the know.
As Chris Hedges says, the NYT is virtually unparalleled in its slavish “subservience to authority and abject careerism”.
The NYT is “fear-ridden and oppressive place to work. The Times newsroom, like most corporate nerve centers, is a labyrinth of intrigue, gossip, back-biting, rumor, false piety, rampant ambition, betrayal and deception. Those who play this game well are repugnant.”
THAT is your ‘liberal’ bastion the New York Times.
GT
August 27th, 2012
12:40 pm
Larry there is actually a lot of people exactly like you who vote the Republican ticket. In fact I can’t think of a state in America that needs to be Democrat more than Georgia. Our way of life is the millstone around our necks.
Mary Matalin mumbled something yesterday about how the red states have held up their economic responsibilities on one of those Sunday morning shows. I about dropped my cereal in my lap. Have you come to Georgia lately? If we have jobs it is because our bar of employment was not high to began with. Outside nuclear waste about everything goes here. And the quality of life employed or not is about the lowest in the country, in fact it is lower than many third world counties. What on this ,use to be, green earth can scare these terminally ill and lost people worse than what they suffer now?
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Disability is the Obama welfare – tripled since Obama got in office. Lawyers on T.V. night and day trumpeting how it is your “right” to be on disability and for a small fee (25% of your check for the next two years) they can get you on disability. Another “right” endowed by the Zombie leader – Obama.
Jack
August 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Everytime Bookman takes a whack at Romney and supports Obama, I always remember he voted for Romney in the primary. There’s some serious fence-straddling going on.
John Birch
August 27th, 2012
12:43 pm
How odd that the Republican’s presidential candidate and platform are so pathetic that they won’t be able to unseat the current lame President, but will still win a mojority of the seats in Congress!
Here’s my summary of changes in our worst problems after 3 1/2 years of Obama.
Debt and deficits – significantly worse
Tens of trillions of unfunded entitlement programs – worse (see Obamacare)
Americans dying for nothing in the Middle East – better, but still happening
Unemployment – no progress
Illegal aliens – worse
Woe is us.
yuzeyurbrane
August 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
This is the Romney I like—affordable, quality healthcare for all.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
The only sector of the economy booming under the Obama Plan is Health Care. Listen carefully and try to comprehend. 2013 will be the year the Health Care “bubble” bursts because the gub’ment will send out that check but the banks won’t cover it for insufficient funds. Like Samuel L. Jackson said in “Ebony Magazine” I didn’t vote for Obama for no GD plan to save this country. Obama ain’t got no plan to save this country. I voted for Obama ‘ cause he’s black”. At least SLJ was honest.
SMMcMahon
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Old people aren’t foolish. Most of them aren’t all that healthy, either.
Everyone should realize that if Republicans repeal “Obamacare” and Romney/Ryan went ahead with the voucher system than about 90% of Medicare eligible folks would be totally SCREWED!
Try going out at age 70 to buy yourself some health insurance with your stinking voucher. So you’ve got high blood pressure, prostate cancer, osteoporosis or heart disease. Sorry, that’s a pre-existing condition which WOULD have been covered under Obamacare, but no longer. We’re sorry, but your medications won’t be covered, either. And be happy because you didn’t have to go before any death panel to arrive at this sorry state.
I think we have to live with a fact about the GOP. The party cannot ever tell people, even their supporters, at least the ones that aren’t millionaires, what they will actually do if they have the chance. If they did, they would never elect another Republican to national office. They get away with it in some congressional districts – the ones gerrymandered to the point of idiocy. But, not with most Senate races and definitely not for President.
Consequently the GOP must lie, obfuscate and demonize the opponent to elect a President. We get lies about them wanting to preserve Medicare. They can’t tell the truth – they want to eliminate it, they always have. They can’t tell the truth about lowering taxes for the wealthy – it’s not about creating jobs, it’s about taking care of their big donors. They can’t tell the truth about global warming – they know it’s happening, they don’t care because any action to save the planet would hurt profits. They can’t tell the truth about spending – they are not against spending, they just want to spend on the military and their corporate sponsors. The can’t tell the truth about the size of government – they don’t want a small government, they want a government so big it can police every womb and ensure you only marry the “right” person.
To elect a President, Republicans have to lie because no one in their right mind would buy what they are actually selling.
And to the comment that their plan would only affect those under 55 (changed,as a “concession”), well, I’m under 55 (just) and after paying into the plan for the past 35 years, I object, and my parents are not that selfish to not object its effect on their children and grandchildren.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
ObamaCare is the final “bubble”. So it doesn’t matter how many gub’ment giveaway programs Obama passes. Worldwide depression – that’s the Obama Plan.
Morality?
August 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
Gub’ment backed healthcare is just a giant Ponzi scheme. Gub’ment backed health care? Backed with what pray tell Jay? Haven’t you heard that the gub’ment is trillions in debt and getting deeper every day Obama’s in office? As long as Obama is in office you will get that check but it won’t cash at the bank. Bust goes the final health care “bubble”.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
August 27th, 2012
10:03 am
Moderate Line,
that he has released and the indication from it that he was an active investor as late as 2010.
I am not trying to make a rebuttal. I merely stated the facts. An independent analysis from Factcheck.org found the evidence that you point to be insufficent to prove the point.
We will need more physical evidence, in the form of many years of complete tax returns, in order to properly address that issue.
No matter how much evidence he tries it would never be enough. It is like the birth certificate issue no matter what Obama does the right will never be satisfied. Also, the burden of proof should be placed on the person make accusations not on the person having to prove his innocence. I thought the left believed in such things.
Cosby
August 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Dandelion seed?? Read what is oput in front of him??? Hmmm wonder about the tele prompters used by Barry. Everyone knows that romney Care is a strike against him, but it takes three strikes. Barry, on the other hand is not even in the game..Gas at less than $2.00 a gallon when he took office, after spedning billions of dollars to his cronies, the job picture is as bleak as ever, more people on food stamsp than when the program was started, a trillion dollar deficit spending every year since he took office, Billions transferred from Medicare to pay for Obama Care, not to mention the death panel in Obama Care, no budget passed in three years, of course Barry sent a few over but it vwas an entire joke, the country is more desvisive than ever and all you want to do is talk about Mitt. Oh well, you just have to love, Barry, Harry, Nancy, Joe, Debbie, Chuckie and the rest of the goones who want to steal all the miney and play daddy. Must be that tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
Mitt Who Are You?........Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
@Cosby
August 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Oh well, you just have to love, Barry, Harry, Nancy, Joe, Debbie, Chuckie and the rest of the goones who Cosby
August 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Dandelion seed?? Read what is oput in front of him??? Hmmm wonder about the tele prompters used by Barry. Everyone knows that romney Care is a strike against him, but it takes three strikes. Barry, on the other hand is not even in the game..Gas at less than $2.00 a gallon when he took office, after spedning billions of dollars to his cronies, the job picture is as bleak as ever, more people on food stamsp than when the program was started, a trillion dollar deficit spending every year since he took office, Billions transferred from Medicare to pay for Obama Care, not to mention the death panel in Obama Care, no budget passed in three years, of course Barry sent a few over but it vwas an entire joke, the country is more desvisive than ever and all you want to do is talk about Mitt. Oh well, you just have to love, Barry, Harry, Nancy, Joe, Debbie, Chuckie and the rest of the goones who want to steal all the miney and play daddy. Must be that tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
Must be that tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
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Myth Robme WANTS you to wear RELIGIOUS UNDERWEAR SO you
won’t FEEL THAT tingly feeling down your leg..oops that was..never mind!
They come in SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, EX-LARGE, 1X, 2X, 3X, etc.
WHAT IS YOUR SIZE?
Mitt Who Are You?........Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
@Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
ObamaCare is the final “bubble”. So it doesn’t matter how many gub’ment giveaway programs Obama passes. Worldwide depression – that’s the Obama Plan.
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What is the Myth Robme plan?
Everyone should wear RELIGIOUS UNDERWEAR?
Tell me WHAT IS HIS PLAN?
Mitt Who Are You?........Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
@SMMcMahon
August 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Old people aren’t foolish. Most of them aren’t all that healthy, either.
Everyone should realize that if Republicans repeal “Obamacare” and Romney/Ryan went ahead with the voucher system than about 90% of Medicare eligible folks would be totally SCREWED!
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CONS would VOTE AGAINST their own interest to get RID OF OBAMA.
CONS would throw their mothers, grandmothers, fathers, grandfathers
under the bus to get rid of Obama.
Do CONS hate Obama MORE THAN THEY LOVE YOUR FAMILY?
SHAME OF THE CONS.
tireofit
August 27th, 2012
1:43 pm
“fear-ridden and oppressive place to work” sounds like a lot of corporations today.
Mitt Who Are You?......Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
@Morality?
August 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Disability is the Obama welfare – tripled since Obama got in office. Lawyers on T.V. night and day trumpeting how it is your “right” to be on disability and for a small fee (25% of your check for the next two years) they can get you on disability. Another “right” endowed by the Zombie leader – Obama.
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Blame Obama………blah blah blah
Are you people dumb or just stupid?
Anyone that would trust a man who wears Religious underwear
can’t be too bright.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:34 am
Both are liars but your guy lies more. Nanny nanny boo boo!!!
Moderate Line insisted on making it a “your guy lies more” exchange with his “full flop count” post, so I responded in kind. I’m just that kinda guy. Anyone want to talk about jobs instead. We could start with the Republican 2010 Jobs campaign.
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insisted on making it a “your guy lies more” exchange Where did I say your guy lies more. I merely pointed out that Obama has 12 flops to Romney’s 3. It is always easy to win an argument when you put words in people mouths. I believe if you read my post I am pretty consistant on saying BOTH are flip floppers and BOTH are liars. Read my post at 9:35 am.
There is really no way to defend either one of these guys which is my point.
Mitt Who Are You?.......Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Glenn Beck is another MORMON lunatic.
Beck has acknowledged that the Mormon “doctrine is different” from traditional Christianity, but said that
this was what attracted him to it, stating that “for me some of the things in traditional doctrine just doesn’t
work.”
Mitt Who Are You?....Do You Trust A Man Who Wears Religious Underwear and Who Believes in the White Horse Prophecy?
August 27th, 2012
2:07 pm
RNC GAVELED OPEN.
Lord help us.
LET THE CIRCUS AND CLOWN SHOW BEGIN.
Ooops.
RNC OPENS THEN GOES INTO RECESS.
They got the nerve to open with a prayer.
HYPOCRITES.
THE CROWD IS LILLY WHITE. Where are the negroes?
They all look like lower and almost middle class people.
They better be careful ISAAC ain’t through yet.
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