Romney again endorses gov’t-backed health care for all
Earlier this month, the conservative base of the Republican Party went nuts, demanding the head of Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul. Why?
Because in discussing the fate of steelworkers laid off when Bain Capital closed their Missouri plant, Saul had had the audacity to note:
“To that point, you know, if people had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care. There are a lot of people losing their jobs and their health care in President Obama’s economy.”
Rush Limbaugh erupted. Erick Erickson suggested that Saul’s statement might be the moment in which Romney lost the campaign and the trust of conservatives. “Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again,” he wrote.
And Ann Coulter went on the Hannity show to fume:
“Anyone who donates to Mitt Romney — and I mean the big donors — ought to call Mitt Romney and say if Andrea Saul isn’t fired and off the campaign tomorrow, they are not giving another dime. Because it is not worth fighting for this man if this is the kind of spokesman he has to respond to this by citing health care in Massachusetts.”
Saul was not fired, and over the weekend, Romney himself told Fox News:
“I’m the guy who was able to get all the health care for all the women and men for my state. They were talking about it at the federal level. We actually did something, and we did it without cutting Medicare and without raising taxes.”
For the record, Romney did it without a state tax hike thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal Medicaid subsidies for Massachusetts. In fact, a year ago the Beacon Hill Institute, a Massachusetts think tank, estimated that since 2006, the “federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts,” and that overall, “The state has been able to shift the majority of the costs to the federal government.”
But the larger point is, what are conservatives are going to do now? Demand a new nominee, on the eve of the GOP convention? What’s Rush going to say, just hours before the coronation begins? My guess is that he will say nothing. They’ll attack the young female spokesperson, but not the candidate himself.
It also once again betrays the fundamental emptiness at the core of the Romney campaign for president. He has shown himself willing to read any script given to him, and to try unconvincingly to spout the principles of others as if they were his own. The ability to lead implies the ability to first be yourself, and I see no sign of that in the man.
He does not merely bend in the wind, he is a veritable dandelion seed, carried lightly hither and yon on the slightest bit of breeze, landing we know not where. The Republicans see that about him, and fear it, even if they dare not acknowledge it.
– Jay Bookman
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Mr. Snarky
August 27th, 2012
9:27 am
Hither/Yon 2012
Steve Shamrock
August 27th, 2012
9:29 am
Is this 9 straight days of Jay going after Romney/Ryan? Amazing bias….just amazing.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:30 am
Moderate Line,
From your link: we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas.
So, the claim is that Mitt was not in charge during the outsourcings, not that the outsourcings did not happen.
Yet, Mitt’s single tax return that he has been willing to share supports the claim that Mitt was indeed active at Bain as late as 2010:
But according to his 2010 tax return, when the Internal Revenue Service comes calling in April, Romney has a different answer: The presumptive GOP nominee reaps lucrative tax breaks for “active” participation in the private equity firm he founded, as well as a host of other investments.
Mitt, the man of a thousand faces strikes again and again and again…
For principles
August 27th, 2012
9:32 am
Just another reason why the GOP should nominate someone else this week in Tampa. Romney is the wrong guy for so MANY reasons. But he is the Goldman Sachs candidate as Obama was last time around, so he will get the nomination. Anyone who thought that change could come about through the political process was seriously deluded.
Mr. Snarky
August 27th, 2012
9:33 am
Steve, Yeah! it this were Mitt’s blog he’d be going after one side one day and the other side the next.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:35 am
Polticians lie and they flop. You have to guess at what they are going to do. You really can’t believe what they say about the other canidate because they don’t tell the truth about what they are going to do much else what someone else is going to do. I have never understood this devotion to anyone political canidate but the self-rightenousness of believing the other guy is more of liar or more of flopper reveals more about the person making the statement than the canidates themselves.
GT
August 27th, 2012
9:35 am
Does it matter what Romney says? The Republicans have these off the radar lobbyist that hold all the power Grover Norquist is one of them. They don’t even know who funds this guy Norquiest yet he holds Romney’s every move in his hands. The Republican Party through Newt Gingrich types have cleverly learned how to control this country as a minority. Part of it is a iron fist control by the money over the party who then becomes out of control with the welfare of the citizens who foolishly elected them. If government is their enemy, we don’t even know the identity of our enemy that controls this group of radical and may control this country. What Newt and his kind have learned is most of this country is illiterate to the real facts and can be told anything irrelevant and be controlled by a group that has no interest in them. Let me have a half million dollar charge account at Sax’s drink champagne and get about as fat as one can get off rich living while I explain to you how the people from the middle class work ethic are your enemies. Clever stuff or just a stupid population.
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
9:35 am
Does anyone know if Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Michelle Bachman will give motivational speeches today?
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 27th, 2012
9:38 am
W, the flagship Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat ain’t going.
Cheney ain’t going.
Rush ain’t going.
Sarah of the tundra ain’t going.
Why even call it the Republican convention?
The good news is, if you’re a woman or a person of color, any color,
there’s a two week jobs program in tampa fer youuu!
Just go down to the (socialist gubmint funded) convention center
and stand around – but it has to be in front of a camera.
Old Goober
August 27th, 2012
9:39 am
“Some people just beg to be killed. ‘Kill me, kill me’ they say.”
Mario Puzo, The Godfather
1. “Wow! What a gorgeous grizzly. That thing must be 10 feet long. I’ll just take some pictures for the folks back home. If he sees me, I can always outrun him.”
2. “It’s only 11:30 tonight. I think it will be all right to take a stroll along historic MLK Boulevard.”
3. “Don’t release any more tax returns. Point them to a movie showing how socialist Obama is. It will take their minds completely off the tax returns.”
Bob Loblaw
August 27th, 2012
9:39 am
If you really think that Romney will follow through on any repeal of health care reform, call your doctor. You’re delusional. He does that in his first term? You’ll see a wave of Democrats elected in the midterm and he’ll be done in four. He’s smarter than that, though, so he’ll break out the etch-a-sketch and create an illusion for you.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
9:41 am
“Does anyone know if Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Michelle Bachman will give motivational speeches today?
Yes. But only to each other.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
I have never understood this devotion to anyone political canidate but the self-rightenousness of believing the other guy is more of liar or more of flopper reveals more about the person making the statement than the canidates themselves.
If only such a person making such a statement could be found. Then perhaps something could be revealed.
Live from the RNC in Tampa. Where is George W. Bush?
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
Got the camera rolling…no sign of Dick Cheney yet!!
Doggone/GA
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
“Obama has set the example with not enforcing DOMA and not enforcing immigration laws”
When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
9:45 am
Healthcare is an obviously thorny issue where ideas from both sides have merit. There is one big, and I mean big difference between Barry and Mitt.
Mitt’s MA healthcare was a state issue. So, the Feds pay more to MA because of it. But Barrack’s answer is Federal Control, the nanny state, grow the Federal Government more, raid Medicare, underestimate the cost, ram the bill through Congress without one Republican vote.
Of course, I don’t expect you Moonbat Statists to understand there is a difference.
Common Sense
August 27th, 2012
9:47 am
““Does anyone know if Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Michelle Bachman will give motivational speeches today?
Yes. But only to each other.”
Sure beats the wealth envy speeches of Obama/Biden
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:47 am
Release the tax returns, Mitt. Give your supporters something more than “trust me” to go on.
Generation$crewed
August 27th, 2012
9:47 am
Guess I’m slightly confused…………….
Is the argument basically that Romney is a worse flip flopper than Obama?
Or is this just a hit piece onRomney with no consideration for the mass amount of flip flops (evolutions) Obama has made?
I seriously don’t understand how one can condemn Romney for flip flopping yet make no mention of his opponents many flops of the same type?
But both sides do it and they do it cause us voters drool over it (look at the comments here).
I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:48 am
Enter your comments here
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
9:49 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:30 am
Moderate Line,
From your link: we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas.
So, the claim is that Mitt was not in charge during the outsourcings, not that the outsourcings did not happen.
Yet, Mitt’s single tax return that he has been willing to share supports the claim that Mitt was indeed active at Bain as late as 2010:
But according to his 2010 tax return, when the Internal Revenue Service comes calling in April, Romney has a different answer: The presumptive GOP nominee reaps lucrative tax breaks for “active” participation in the private equity firm he founded, as well as a host of other investments.
Mitt, the man of a thousand faces strikes again and again and again…
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And Factcheck rebuttal such an argument saying “New Evidence same conclusion.”
http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys-bain-years-new-evidence-same-conclusion/
Factcheck has already taken all that you said into account. If you have problem with their analysis you should contact factcheck.org
Your ad Hominem attacks would seem to suggest that your analysis is less than objective and more subjective. Factcheck relies mostly on factual information so I have to go with their conclusion. Also, since they seem to attack both canidates their analysis doesn’t seem to be bias.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:50 am
“Mitt Romney. The wannabe Liar-In-Chief. ”
Now tell me Taxpayer how transparent your chosen one has been?
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:52 am
Romney just displays a thousand faces at once. Pick the one you relate to the best. I’m sure he’s got the GOP covered, like trickle down at sunrise in a cool mountain stream, like warm yellow dew on a field of scorched corn…
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:53 am
Does anyone know what Obama’s golf score was over the weekend?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 27th, 2012
9:54 am
Just another naked “Campaign for Obama” thread.
Geez !
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:55 am
“He does not merely bend in the wind, he is a veritable dandelion seed, carried lightly hither and yon on the slightest bit of breeze, landing we not not where. The Republicans know it and fear it, even if they dare not acknowledge it.”
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Everything that comes out of the mouth of MITT is authentically his.
He is what he is.
A leopard CANNOT CHANGE HIS SPOTS.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
9:56 am
Well,
It’s break time so i thought i check in to see if Madmax answered my o814 about his 0812.
He answered at 0816.
I guess that was as precise as he could be…
You know? If you have a complaint about the way someone is doing business, you should at least have a solution about it.
Madmax…talking points…check
Thinking about it…no check
Mad, I hope you are making over $250,000.00 a year, is all I’m going to say…
Jay
August 27th, 2012
9:56 am
There is no functional difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare, JohnnyReb, and the feebleness of your attempted smokescreen confirms it.
Both are government-funded programs to extend health insurance to all citizens, using a government mandate to get people to buy insurance or face a fine and using government-run insurance exchanges. Both also include a panel of experts to recommend ways to lower government costs.
And you know it, which is part of what makes your attempted denial come across as almost sad.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
Two new additions to the Reoubli-Speak Dictionary
Wealth Envy:
the act of recognizing tax haven discrimination against non multi millionaires
Bidenisn:
a word or phrase uttered by the current vice-President, emulating a right wing word or phrase that only upsets right wingers when it’s used against them
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
When you have always been on the government dole, you never have to worry about taxes. Obama became a millionaire while in office. Now that is more dispicable than anything anyone in the private sector can do.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:53 am
Does anyone know what Obama’s golf score was over the weekend?
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It was the same as your IQ………….
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
9:59 am
“..and not enforcing immigration laws”
Who actually said that. WHO actually said that? Wow.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
9:59 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
When you have always been on the government dole, you never have to worry about taxes. Obama became a millionaire while in office. Now that is more dispicable than anything anyone in the private sector can do.
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At least he DID NOT SEAL IT.
MYTH ROBME is the BIGGEST THIEF IN THE COUNTRY.
He hides his wealth in OTHER PLACES.
No one knows how much he has stolen from NO PAYING TAXES.
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:00 am
To force or mandate as you say to have insurance in a state is quite different that mandating someone nationally. In a state you can relocate. Nationally you can not. Mandated health insurance is another ploy for liberals to control huge amounts of the GNP.
Bob Loblaw
August 27th, 2012
10:01 am
@JohnnyReb:
Romneycare dumped tons of new eligible members into Medicaid which (drum roll, please) invited the federal government to pour billions that it hadn’t before into Mass.
I don’t usually don’t line up with Jay, but here, he’s got you.
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
August 27th, 2012
10:02 am
@Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
9:57 am
When you have always been on the government dole, you never have to worry about taxes. Obama became a millionaire while in office. Now that is more dispicable than anything anyone in the private sector can do.
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CORRECTION PLEASE:
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
At least he DID NOT STEAL IT.
MYTH ROBME is the BIGGEST THIEF IN THE COUNTRY.
He hides his wealth in OTHER PLACES.
No one knows how much he has stolen from PAYING NO TAXES.
SHOW US THE TAX RETURNS MYTH
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:02 am
The latest Barry ad has him accussing Romney of being “extreme.” It’s laughable. If there is an extremeist, it is Obama, his supporters, and party.
The Democratic party is itself a coalition of extremists. Take the objectives of the various factions. I will list a few.
Unions – are inheriently extreme. They push every issue to the extreme, then compromise to gain their original objective. They own a large part of manufacturing moving overseas. They have created pension obligations that cannot be paid. And, they are violent.
Environmentalists – the treehuggers are largely responsible for high energy costs which is holding down economic recovery. Have you looked at your electric bill lately? How about the cost of gasoline when you fill up? “Under my policies, electric bills will necessarily skyrocket.” Who stated that?
Gays – DADT went away, but that was not enough. Despite over thirty states voting to define marriage as between a man and a woman, the drive continues to have gay marriage. Since the beginning of mankind, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Changing that is extreme in any one’s book but theirs.
Nannies – these are either tied with or just below the Treehuggers in being the most dangerous to America. The above groups are included, but this category encompasses most all Democrats. They are Statists to the core who want to “fundamentaly” change America and the Constitution. Their extreme position is no personal responsibility; to have a guarantee someone will take care of them if they fail; and to transfer wealth from the successful. They are socialists.
Other than the above, they are loveable lot who fit right in with the rest of us.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:03 am
Moderate Line,
Your reply at 9:49 does not meet the basic criteria of a rebuttal given that it does not address the issue of information contained in Mitt’s single tax return that he has released and the indication from it that he was an active investor as late as 2010. We will need more physical evidence, in the form of many years of complete tax returns, in order to properly address that issue. Now, what Ad Hominem attack are you claiming I have made via the link I posted earlier.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
10:04 am
So I take it…you’re not gonna vote for Romney Jay?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Hmmm.. the conned never seem to whine about the topic of the pro-republican, anti-left, anti-Obama propaganda threads over at Kyle’s…. I wonder if its their coffee?
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Mitt Who Are You? I know that I am what I am. But I am not sure what I am.
“At least he DID NOT SEAL IT.”
He has not been transparent as he declared he would be. Have you seen his college scores?
“MYTH ROBME is the BIGGEST THIEF IN THE COUNTRY.”
You are a liar without any proof! You are just a pathetic “drive-by”.
“He hides his wealth in OTHER PLACES.”
Once again you repeat what someone else spewed without proof, another drive-by.
“No one knows how much he has stolen from NO PAYING TAXES.”
Thats true, because of the tax structure he paid as little taxes as the law allowed. You just dont get it do you?
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:07 am
Of course Romney is for Romney care. It was his bill and he has said over and over again that it is working and Mass. loves it.
He is very proud of it and thinks the concept and law is great.
Is anyone surprised at that. It’s his baby.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
10:08 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
9:52 am
Romney just displays a thousand faces at once. Pick the one you relate to the best. I’m sure he’s got the GOP covered, like trickle down at sunrise in a cool mountain stream, like warm yellow dew on a field of scorched corn…
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Note the 12 Flops by Obama and Romney’s 3.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/full-flop/
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:09 am
Jay, the big difference is federal versus state. You are are Statist, so you have no problem with the Feds dictating everything and stomping on States Rights. I don’t expect us to ever agree.
Even if Federal control in the end proves to be the best, it amazes me how the Left supports Obamacare considering the way it was passed.
It alone justifes Republicans completely ignoring the wishes of the Left as was the case with the healthcare bill.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 27th, 2012
10:10 am
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — “Insurgents beheaded 17 civilians in a Taliban-controlled area of southern Afghanistan, apparently because they attended a dance party that flouted the extreme brand of Islam embraced by the militants, officials said Monday.”
Dick Clark would NOT have been happy !
the cat
August 27th, 2012
10:10 am
Johnnyreb-without you going to the google, define Statist. Thanks.
nelson
August 27th, 2012
10:11 am
In another couple years all the revenue taken in by the Treasury Department will go to service the national debt. So the general opinion is if the last dollar goes to me everything is ok. Soooo with that kind of a mindset, Romney has a job unseating a President that is giving the countries solvency away.
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:11 am
Williebkind
August 27th, 2012
10:00 am
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Mandate that everyone buy health insurance was ruled unconstitutional. We don’t have that law. Read the Robers opinion.
We do have a small tax that people who don’t have health insurance have to pay, but it is much cheaper then the cost of buying health care.
small price to pay to reimburse taxpayers for the cost of taking care of those that chose to remain uninsured.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:12 am
Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:13 am
it amazes me how the Left supports Obamacare considering the way it was passed.
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The bill was passed according to the voting rules of the senate. Nothing wrong with that.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2012
10:13 am
The issues, my friends, the issues. You liberals can hoot and holler about old Mitt and his tax returns, his dog, how his health care plan is so similar to Bozo’s, his Mormon underwear, his wife not working, his wife’s $500 dollar shirt, Sandra Flucke’s BC pills, who’s going to show up in Tampa and who they are going to give speeches to……. it’s all fluff to anyway with half a brain. To quote a famous liberal, ‘It’s the economy stupid”. The only people who are gullible enough to bite on these fluff issues are going to vote for Bozo anyway. We have a projection by GAO of 8.7% unemployment well into next year. How many months will that make it?…… something like 55 or so? STRAIGHT!!! Growth at a monumental 1.5% and falling. It ain’t working, libs. It just ain’t working. And you and Bookman are just too damned ignorant to see it.
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:14 am
the cat – a statist is someone who believes in government central control. In this context, it is someone who believes the feds should control everything instead of the individual states deciding for themselves. Our history is a slow slide to complete central/federal control.
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
10:15 am
Jay
August 27th, 2012
9:56 am
There is no functional difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare, JohnnyReb, and the feebleness of your attempted smokescreen confirms it.
Both are government-funded programs to extend health insurance to all citizens, using a government mandate to get people to buy insurance or face a fine and using government-run insurance exchanges. Both also include a panel of experts to recommend ways to lower government costs.
And you know it, which is part of what makes your attempted denial come across as almost sad.
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The only difference that I am aware of is one is run by the state and one is run by the Federal government. If you don’t like one you can move to another state if you don’t like the other you have to move to another country.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
10:16 am
TP @10:12….so what!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
10:16 am
“To force or mandate as you say to have insurance in a state is quite different that mandating someone nationally”
Oh my god, you actually buy that as a legitimate argument?
That was Mitt’s spin, dude, so he could wiggle out of his past as MA governor.
Didn’t you get the memo?
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Obama has millions of fake Twitter followers
President Obama’s Twitter account has 18.8 million followers — but more than half of them really don’t exist, according to reports.
A new Web tool has determined that 70% of Obama’s crowd includes “fake followers,” …
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDqvXWyPXII
JohnnyReb
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Oscar – yes, Obamacare was passed in accordance with the rules. However, it was passed under Reconciliation. You can look that up if you don’t understand.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Truth-O-Meter tally:
Pres. Obama
Mostly False, False, Pants on Fire…29%
Mitt Romney
Mostly False, False, Pants on Fire…42%
Pres. Obama
True, Mostly True, Half True….72%
Mitt Romney
True, Mostly True, Half True….58%
Moderate Line
August 27th, 2012
10:19 am
Oscar
August 27th, 2012
10:13 am
it amazes me how the Left supports Obamacare considering the way it was passed.
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The bill was passed according to the voting rules of the senate. Nothing wrong with that.
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It was under voted under the rules for a budget bill which meant it could not be filabustered. This also means that it can be voted down the same way.
I think ALL bills should be voted on this way. It is hard enough to get a bill passed or removed.
zeke
August 27th, 2012
10:19 am
Correct me if I am misinformed! But, I think that a Judge ruled that Mass. must implement the health care in Mass. and fulfilling his duty, Mitt and his administration went about creating the system, AT THE STATE LEVEL, the most economical way possible! He has repeatedly said, that it is fine for each state to decide whether or not to implement such a plan, Constitutionally, but, THE FEDS HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO IT! And, regardless of your left wing agenda, HE WAS/IS RIGHT!!
Are YOU registered to vote?
August 27th, 2012
10:19 am
YOU can register “right now”.
http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/vrinfo.htm
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:20 am
TP @10:12….so what!
It was in 1998, Erwin. Read the link.
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:20 am
With all due respect, one relying on anything called Truth-O-Meter or Politifact is one easily duped by a sham.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 27th, 2012
10:20 am
The issues, my friends, the issues.
Yes… its apparently the birth certificate again.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 27th, 2012
10:21 am
Moderate,
“If you don’t like one you can move to another state if you don’t like the other you have to move to another country.”
But you had better have a job to move to and a house to move to and a buyer for your current home…That doesn’t sound easy….
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I still don’t get why you are so against healthcare for all…mandated or not, it is a good thing.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:22 am
Taxpayer,
I’m trying to find out just how many jobs Bain portfolio companies actually outsourced…can you help me find this?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
10:22 am
Zeke
THE FEDS HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO IT!
Wrong-a-mundo.
Erwin's cat
August 27th, 2012
10:22 am
TP
I read the link…and…so what!
don’t you ever grow tired of your faux outrage?
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:23 am
Zeke, you are misinformed.
My best guess is that you are conflating what happened in Massachusetts regarding gay marriage with passage of RomneyCare. But in any case, your understanding of what happened is very much incorrect.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:24 am
If you want to talk the issues, kayaker, then start by presenting Mitt’s details on how he will cut taxes on the wealthiest and increase DoD spending and not raise taxes on the poor or middle class and not cut social security or medicare or medicaid and reduce the debt and keep the budget revenue neutral, for openers. We can talk about the other 992 simultaneous faces of Mitt later.
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:25 am
Obama used to enjoy a significant lead in Ohio according to polling data, but…
The closest Dispatch Poll in modern history shows the races for president and U.S. Senate in a dead heat in battleground Ohio.
For the record, Republican Mitt Romney holds a “lead” of 0.22 percentage point over President Barack Obama. That’s a mere 2 votes out of more than 1,730 cast for president in the mail poll.
By comparison, Sen. Sherrod Brown has a landslide going over GOP state Treasurer Josh Mandel with a margin of 0.87 point. That’s a whopping 15-ballot bulge.
The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 2.1 percentage points, so the takeaway is that the presidential matchup is tied at 45 percent and the Senate struggle at 44 percent among likely voters.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/08/26/tight-races-put-undecided-voters-in-control.html
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:28 am
JAY,
If I’m Romney, my retort to the ObamaCare/RomneyCare similarities is a moot point. My feeling is that what works for an individual state is not the same formula for the nation in toto. From an actuarial perspective from the insurers, this deal is gonna be like night of the living dead and keep screwing taxpayers for decades to come.
Here’s on example…I am all for coverage for pre-existing conditions no longer being excluded from policies. The problem is the cost. Say an insurer has to write a policy on formerly uninsured individual. The top premium the insurer can get is 12K per annum. The new insured has a pre-existing heart condition and needs a 850K heart transplant..math doesn’t work does it…who will pick up the delta?
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:28 am
Erwin,
The link was a response to Moderate Line and his claim that Mitt has never been actively involved during a time when Bain was pushing outsourcing of jobs. Now you know the “so what.” Further, I do not express faux outrage.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 27th, 2012
10:29 am
Matthews v Preibus
Joe Scar
too funny
Steven
August 27th, 2012
10:29 am
This election cycle reminds of 2004 when the Dems thought, “ABB”. Anybody But Bush. Its the same now with Repubs against the current POTUS. I’m looking forward to different outcome. The Prez will be re-elected by a landslide!
These guys are throwing err’thang but the kitchen sink at him. Distoring all the facts/truths they can find agaqinst the current POTUS. The documentary Obama’s America, AHC Act, the Economy, Michele Bachman,Herman Cain, Newt Gindrich, etc are all bullits that are fired from a Republican AK47 at the POTUS. They are wounding him but I think he’ll stand the test.
Ahem
August 27th, 2012
10:29 am
I think people would find it interesting for the press to list all of Obama’s promises made in 2008 in one column and in another column the status of said promises. A campaign ad of this nature would be powerful and a damning tale of failure or abject dishonesty. The AJC could easily do this, but…
Peadawg
August 27th, 2012
10:30 am
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:18 am
Translation:
Both are liars but your guy lies more. Nanny nanny boo boo!!!
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:31 am
I’m trying to find out just how many jobs Bain portfolio companies actually outsourced…can you help me find this?
stevie ray,
What do you say we start up a petition asking Bain and Romney to release the documents needed to help us get you a full and accurate count. Maybe we could even ask for those tax returns in the same petition. What do you say. Are you with me.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:31 am
“Here’s one example…I am all for coverage for pre-existing conditions no longer being excluded from policies. The problem is the cost. Say an insurer has to write a policy on formerly uninsured individual. The top premium the insurer can get is 12K per annum. The new insured has a pre-existing heart condition and needs a 850K heart transplant..math doesn’t work does it…who will pick up the delta?
That is precisely why, in both RomneyCare and ObamaCare, a mandate to purchase is included. Healthy people will pick up the cost, and then when they too become ill — as we all do eventually — they too will be covered.
Without the mandate, there is no way to cover the cost of pre-existing conditions other than creation of a single-payer system. That’s why the GOP has repeatedly refused to carry through on their “replace” promise, because they know there is no other way to do it.
They know because they came up with the mandate idea in the first place.
Donovan
August 27th, 2012
10:33 am
What a horrible rah-rah speech from the AJC Democrat cheerleader. And the cheerleader’s myrmidons carp along like pull-string dolls. Pathetic!
Just to get the picture straight, Massachusetts is a state comprised of liberals who depend on government handouts, government direction, and government rules. I was born there, but learned very early in life I couldn’t live there, based on the herd mentality much like California’s culture. For some strange reason Massachusetts likes to have Republican governors who seem to delight the legion of liberal voters. Funny how his character wasn’t assassinated by the Democrat establishment back then.
Mitt Romney ran a successful term of lowering the unemployment, shrinking the State’s budget, and giving the State’s entitlement seekers a huge plum. That plum was his signature on the legislature’s health proposal. It won’t work for the country, but it was a masterful stroke of the pen for a state that relishes liberal entitlements.
What’s wrong with the picture that Bookman paints today? It’s fairly simple to understand. Bookman is a liberal Democrat preaching to a liberal audience. Mitt Romney is a Republican running for POTUS. The Democrat nation is scared of Romney because he is the better choice of candidates, based on his credentials and his successes. Bookman, his liberal myrmidons, and the Democrat Party know that they have nothing to offer, other than a no-name failure, worse than Jimmy Carter.
The obvious picture they paint is a collage of childish distractions which never address the economic issues of the day. And, as we all know, those economic issues were created by their mismanagement. Yeah, let’s re-elect the same bunch for 4 more years of the same.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:34 am
TAXPAYER,
Any luck on finding the number of jobs Romney/Bain’s portfolio companies shipped overseas?
Also, I agree that the DOD needs to be cut up to 25% or so. Unfortunately, the defense contractors cash speaks more loudly than the voice of reason. Obama fell into same trap on several fronts…
The all flip-flop and make promises they can’t keep…why, because they need the money more than they need us..
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:34 am
Both are liars but your guy lies more. Nanny nanny boo boo!!!
Moderate Line insisted on making it a “your guy lies more” exchange with his “full flop count” post, so I responded in kind. I’m just that kinda guy. Anyone want to talk about jobs instead. We could start with the Republican 2010 Jobs campaign.
TaxPayer
August 27th, 2012
10:35 am
See my 10:31, stevie ray. Are you with me.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:35 am
You mean like this, Ahem?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
10:36 am
J. Reb — “Unions . . . have created pension obligations that cannot be paid.”
All by themselves, huh?
“Environmentalists . . . are largely responsible for high energy costs”
All by themselves, huh?
“Gays . . . Since the beginning of mankind, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Changing that is extreme in any one’s book but theirs.”
Good thing we didn’t let that “since the beginning of mankind” bulldada stand in the way of abolishing slavery. Or female suffrage. Or doing away with child labor. Or promulgating a representative democracy instead of a despotic or feudal system of governance.
“Nannies . . . encompasses most all Democrats. They are Statists to the core who want to “fundamentaly” change America and the Constitution. Their extreme position is no personal responsibility; to have a guarantee someone will take care of them if they fail; and to transfer wealth from the successful. They are socialists.”
Given your rather tenuous grasp on reality, I’m just going to say that not only are you wrong, there are also no monsters under your bed or in your closet.
You really need to get out more, and I think it would do you good to meet some people who are different from you. Then you might be able to see how incredibly inaccurate and off-base your imaginary world is.
the cat
August 27th, 2012
10:37 am
Donovan-I would be interested in reading Romney’s plans for job creation, etc. Please share. Thanks.
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
10:37 am
“That is precisely why, in both RomneyCare and ObamaCare, a mandate to purchase is included. Healthy people will pick up the cost, and then when they too become ill — as we all do eventually — they too will be covered.”
This kinda works like Social Security..the “now” workers will pay for the “then” workers…and so on and so on.
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:41 am
JAY,
The fallacy in your argument is, well..let’s just say math is not one of your better subjects (no disrespect) the idea that this additional cost will be effectively spread amongst “healthy” insureds is obscenely naive. Insuring this 30 million under the traditional insurance model (pre existing conditions reimbursement is NOT insurance) and their above average pre-existing conditions exposure PLUS the not so insignificant pre existing exposure of currently insured will never be offset by government assistance or massive increases in current premiums for those currently insured…
We are gonna get screwed….think Medicare unfunded liability currently at approx 60 trillion doubling..
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
10:43 am
Obama has set the example with not enforcing DOMA and not enforcing immigration laws. All he has to do is call his Health and human service Secretary and tell them to not set up the exchanges and not expand Medicaid.
Well, if you’re gonna lie, there’s no reason to do it half assed. You fail miserably with the fact that under Obama, deportations have set records year after year. If one is not enforcing immigration laws, that would not happen.
Then again, you and others b*tch and complain about Obama doing something, but you’ll advocate for Romney to do the very exact thing. It must really suck to have a gummi bear spined candidate to support for an election. You have to become a contortionist to support them.
Keep going though, you’re better entertainment than Saturday Night Live when Joe Piscopo and Eddie Murphy were there.
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:44 am
“Just to get the picture straight, Massachusetts is a state comprised of liberals who depend on government handouts, government direction, and government rules.”
Right, Donovan. That’s why Massachusetts has the third highest per capita income in the country. Georgia is 38th. Per capita income in Mass., at $51K, is almost 50 percent higher than in Georgia. They seem to do this capitalist, profit-making thing a LOT better than we do.
The unemployment rate in Mass. is 6.1 percent; in Georgia it is 9.3 percent.
In other words, Donovan’s post is absolute BS from its very beginning, and the rest doesn’t get any better.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 27th, 2012
10:44 am
Willydoit — “This kinda works like Social Security..the “now” workers will pay for the “then” workers…and so on and so on.”
Not exactly. The healthy ‘now’ people share the cost burden with the sick ‘now’ people. By broadening the pool of people paying in, the cost *per person* is held down to a bare minimum.
FWIW, most industrialized countries that have socialized health care also permit private add-on coverage. France is a good example; as much as 85% of the population has supplementary coverage that’s *not* government-provided.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France#Health_insurance
Welcome to the Occupation
August 27th, 2012
10:45 am
That’s why the GOP has repeatedly refused to carry through on their “replace” promise, because they know there is no other way to do it.
They know because they came up with the mandate idea in the first place.
Whack. A. Mole. Whack. A. Mole.
skipper
August 27th, 2012
10:45 am
Man, there ain’t no easy answers ti this one……….
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
10:46 am
“under Obama, deportations have set records year after year”
Did he really deport them, or did they just leave because all the jobs went away??
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:46 am
I could care less about his tax returns unless fraud is suspected in which case, the DEMS should get the DOJ to investigate…
My point here is that Bain portfolio companies did ship some jobs overseas to maximize shareholder value and keep US operations afloat in many instances but these “lost jobs”, which I submit is nowhere near what the rhetoric will suggest, pales in comparison to those…say of the tech industry…Example is APPLE who has shipped literally 100,000’s of jobs abroad in the past 20+ years…this combined with the fact that Steve Jobs paid ZERO taxes on his estate legally speaks volumes…he’s not running for president to be sure but he is an example of what it takes to compete in global economy..
If he were DEM, you would care less as well..
Brosephus™
August 27th, 2012
10:47 am
Mitt’s MA healthcare was a state issue. So, the Feds pay more to MA because of it. But Barrack’s answer is Federal Control, the nanny state, grow the Federal Government more, raid Medicare, underestimate the cost, ram the bill through Congress without one Republican vote.
I’ll have to quote this wise woman I’m acquainted with…
“When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point”
–Doggone/GA
Mark
August 27th, 2012
10:48 am
willydoit?
August 27th, 2012
10:46 am
“under Obama, deportations have set records year after year”
Did he really deport them, or did they just leave because all the jobs went away??
Some idiots just refuse to believe actual facts.
The Thin Guy
August 27th, 2012
10:48 am
Question: Where can one go and not find Jay Bookman and his running dogs? Answer: Any theater showing
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/box-office-report-anti-obama-doc-beats-films-161221160.html
Jay
August 27th, 2012
10:49 am
Sure we can do it, Stevie Ray.
Other nations do it, why can’t we? In fact, almost every industrialized nation on the planet manages to pull it off.
Are you saying that they’re better than us? Smarter than us? Richer than us? Where’s your faith in the greatness of this country?
stevie ray
August 27th, 2012
10:51 am
JOE HUSSEIN,
To be fair, the unions did indeed push all industries to promise pensions and lifetime benefits (government is glaring example)the employers could’nt remotely honor..Don’t discount the increased costs of goods and resulting competitive disadvantage is global market…