Neil Armstrong, who took a giant leap for mankind

I was 12 years old at the time. As I recall it, Dad was away on TDY (temporary duty) in the Air Force, and my younger brother and sister were tucked in bed asleep. So Mom and I sat together in our darkened living room, watching on our little black-and-white television while Neil Armstrong made history.

Afterward, we went outside and looked up at the moon and marveled that human beings at that very moment were walking around up there. In a very strange time in our nation’s history, replete with assassinations and riots and turmoil, it served as a reminder that almost unimaginable feats could still be accomplished.

It was a moment that, sadly, cannot be explained to those who were not there to experience it, in large part because we cannot replicate the genuine sense of awe and wonder felt worldwide.

Rest in peace, Neil Armstrong.

– Jay Bookman

598 comments Add your comment

DannyX

August 25th, 2012
4:08 pm

Neil Armstrong- FIRST

td

August 25th, 2012
4:17 pm

Little older than me at the time Jay but I also remember going out and looking at the moon with my parents that evening.

bullwinkle

August 25th, 2012
4:20 pm

I think of him every time I look up at the moon. What courage, what nerves of steel it took to do that. And afterward, he led a quiet, honorable life, avoiding attention and deflecting credit. Great man, great American.

fedup

August 25th, 2012
4:23 pm

I was half a world away when Neil landed. I had my ear glued to the radio and could hear his crackling voice. I had rushed home from my college just to hear his voice coming from another celestial body. I could imagine what the Wright brothers felt like.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 25th, 2012
4:26 pm

That was one of those “we all remember exactly where we were” moments in our history.

May God bless him ………………… he’s far, far beyond the moon now.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 25th, 2012
4:27 pm

Madge From Accounting

August 25th, 2012
4:29 pm

Goodbye Neil.

Class of '98

August 25th, 2012
4:44 pm

I am 37, and have never been able to look up at the moon and marvel that human beings were walking on it at that moment. Most people my age, including me, overly romanticize the late 1960’s. Woodstock, Haight-Ashbury, the counter culture, the war inb Vietnam.

But Neil (and Buzz) walking on the moon cannot be overblown or over-romanticized. Arguably the most amazing feat, and proudest moment, in the history of humanity.

Rest in peace, Alan.

Class of '98

August 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

Ooops. I meant rest in peace, Neil.

King of Everything

August 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

I never ever believed that in 1969 we flew a jalopy to the moon and flew it back to earth, but failed more than once to land a more advance shuttle vehicle safely. Government propaganda at its best, considering everything else that was at stake at that time in history. RIP Neil.

Go Forth

August 25th, 2012
4:55 pm

When they came back from the mission, Neil sent the word as “the eagle has landed”. My thought today is that the eagle has flown. RIP Neil Armstrong. You captured our imagination and helped us dream of greater things.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 25th, 2012
5:00 pm

I remember as a kid watching a Disney program on our black and white “round” television regarding plans for man to travel to the moon. I also remember thinking ………….. not in “my” lifetime.

Boy was I wrong on that one !

Mr. Armstrong ………….. you gave us as Americans perhaps the proudest moment and biggest thrill of our lives.

We will never forget you.

pogo

August 25th, 2012
5:02 pm

I was young and I sat watching Neil making that step on an old black and white TV that had to have its channels changed with pliers and I was enraptured. I thought at that moment there was nothing the United States couldn’t do. Now sadly, there is not much that the United States can do about anything. Bush started the fire of our decline and Obama and his buddies Pelosi and Reid threw rocket fuel on it (no pun intended). Obama must go or the hopelessness that has invaded every nook and cranny of this country will not go away, In fact it will metastisize.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
5:06 pm

I know cons are saddened by Neil Armstrong’s death. But I can’t understand why libs would be upset. Armstrong was an achiever. Equally as bad to them he was an American patriot.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 25th, 2012
5:06 pm

13 comments and we get the obligatory, but…but…but…OBAMA! card.

RIP Mr, Armstrong.

FrankLeeDarling

August 25th, 2012
5:08 pm

As a true child of the space race this saddens me.I remember my father hooking the tv up outside so we could look at the moon and watch the blurry blue green image on the screen.What a proud moment in our history

Class of '98

August 25th, 2012
5:09 pm

King of Everything, I am as cynical and skeptical as anyone, but do you really think that hundreds, if not thousands, of people could maintain this “conspiracy” for over 40 years?

I knew it wouldn’t take long for the conspiracy theorists to sprout their ugly heads. I’m not going to further engage you, but I encourage you to educate yourself about the moon landings, and moreover, think deeply about just how complicated (impossible) maintaining a conspiracy of this magnitude for 40 years would really be.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 25th, 2012
5:09 pm

FrankLeeDarling:

Now “that” was a super idea !

FrankLeeDarling

August 25th, 2012
5:10 pm

Trashy Doom and wrong

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
5:14 pm

A true American hero. R.I.P.

FrankLeeDarling

August 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

0311. yeah the old man had lots of them .Miss him every day.

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
5:21 pm

Good commentary and a tribute to a true American Jay. We disagree on politics but we certainly agree on this.

Normal Free, Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 25th, 2012
5:29 pm

I Was in the Tonkin Gulf sitting in the First Class Lounge of my boat tender. It was awesome to behold. A big flash of pride back when there wasn’t much to be had.

Neal Armstrong…Still flying high…

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
5:31 pm

King of everything,

Why is it so difficult to believe in going to the moon? Outer space is only 1 atmosphere of pressure. Because of pressure its as much or more difficult to go to the bottom of the ocean due to the tremendous amount of pressure than to go into outer space.

Bud Wiser

August 25th, 2012
5:31 pm

I saw his first steps on the moon on my brother’s black and white TV. Since they did b&w from there, it made no difference.

It is truly as sad day when one of mankind’s hero’s passes away, but his achievement will last for eternity.

And, at least he got to hear our next President Romney announce he will rebuild NASA, instead of watching the dismantling under this sick joke of a president we’ll have for just a few months more.

kayaker 71

August 25th, 2012
5:38 pm

One of your better threads Bookman……. actually, damn good.

Madge From Accounting

August 25th, 2012
5:38 pm

Doom – do you have mental problems? Seriously.

Brad Steel

August 25th, 2012
5:39 pm

Wow. He went to the moon too? Too bad the doping scandal with erase this from his record.

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
5:40 pm

I was about two years out of the Marine Corps in the early stage of my business career when Armstrong set foot on the Moon and for a brief moment in a difficult time America came together as a nation. It occurred again after 9-11, I may not see another in my lifetime but I hope that I can once again.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
5:41 pm

Madge from Accounting,

Do you have constipation problems? Seriously.

Getalifejoe

August 25th, 2012
5:42 pm

Just left bourbon st. Heading to the game. Who dat?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
5:42 pm

No fair Jay

no one said SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS

:-)

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
5:45 pm

I see they all fired up with they selective outrage. I’ll take their outrage seriously lets say when they are outraged over Maher comments about conservative women. Or when they are outraged over lib pacs spreading a lie about Romney causing a woman’s cancer death 7 years after she left the company. Or when hell freezes over. Whichever comes first since all are highly unlikely. Typical lib. They can dish it out but they can’t take it.

Bernie

August 25th, 2012
5:46 pm

Many of you Here and reading this were not Born and are unable to understand and grasp the enormity of such an American accomplishment. The record breaking number of accomplishments, we are presently witnessing were no where near as frequent or expectant during those days. America was in a very contentious state socially and economically at that time. To see such accomplishment occur before our very eyes. Proved to many, as to what the potential we could become if only, we would learn to work, respect each other with human dignity that we all deserve.

We should Let Mr.Armstrong’s brave and valiant efforts stand as another reminder to America and its people that we can BE BETTER than we ARE!

America is always a Nation that moves forward, let us not return to the days of infighting over the same rights and fights we fought so hard for, during his short time on the MOON. Let us all learn to accept each others differences and try to find those grounds that we share. This is something many Republicans should reflect on during their stay in Tampa. Do you want to re-fight the fights of the 1960’s or do we want to move forward and see what lies ahead in America’s great future that is yet unfolding before our very eyes. The restriction of women’s rights,voters rights and sexual orientation rights are not the path to the FUTURE. To further pursue those Goals will only lead to the Nightmares of Yesterday!

JamVet

August 25th, 2012
5:46 pm

God speed Neil Armstrong.

You, sir, go down in the annals of history along with the aforementioned Wright brothers, Magellan and Columbus.

Knowing that Old Glory “waves” on that orb is truly a marvelous thing to consider.

And boo on your silly cheap shot, Doomy. This is not the thread for that stuff…

Jay

August 25th, 2012
5:49 pm

“I know cons are saddened by Neil Armstrong’s death. But I can’t understand why libs would be upset. Armstrong was an achiever. Equally as bad to them he was an American patriot.”

I’ve seen some stupid posts in my time, but …

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
5:54 pm

about Neil Armstrong
After Armstrong retired from NASA in 1971, he avoided offers from businesses to act as a spokesman. The first company to successfully approach him was Chrysler, for whom he appeared in advertising starting in January 1979. Armstrong thought they had a strong engineering division, plus they were in financial difficulty. He acted as a spokesman for other companies, including General Time Corporation and the Bankers Association of America. He acted as a spokesman for US businesses only

Seems like he avoided the offshore model.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
5:55 pm

JamVet,

Just a little jab at libs. And for the record I’ve seen far worst from the liberals on here so I think the outrage is a wee bit selective. Nevertheless I’ll play nice the rest of the day.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
5:58 pm

“I’ve seen some stupid posts in my time, but …”

You should know a little about stupid posts after posting a BS article this morning insinuating that Romney and Bain are tax cheats. More selective outrage huh Jay? You’re good with your unsubstantiated BS personal attacks aren’t ya? Good at dishing it out. Not so good at taking it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 25th, 2012
5:59 pm

I’ve seen some stupid posts in my time, but …

Posted first next door at Kyle’s and it received no reaction. Posted here 2 minutes later.

Jay

August 25th, 2012
6:04 pm

Character outs itself, Thulsa.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:06 pm

TD

Maybe I can find traffic for you to play in.
:-)

Getalife

August 25th, 2012
6:07 pm

He lived to see us land on mars.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:09 pm

Why do birds suddenly appear….

More kamchak spam. Nice to know I have a 2nd cyberstalker.

“Character outs itself, Thulsa.”

Yep. Your bogus attack on Romney this morning reiterates that point aptly. And I’m reminded of it every time I see an Obama lie about Romney.

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
6:11 pm

Getalife,

That he did and Mars will be our next space frontier for a manned landing. Hope I’ll live to see it.

Jay

August 25th, 2012
6:14 pm

Seen on Twitter:

“Pretty sure if Neil Armstrong & Kim Kardashian ever met, there would have been a matter-antimatter explosion”

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:15 pm

Many people at the time thought that the moon landing was faked.

Over the years cynicism was replaced with belief.

Now we are back to cynicism. Interesting.

Kenyan, Marxist(or Socialist),

Birther.

Romneys father was born in Mexico, but do we see the Birther nonsense?

Is Mitt AMERICAN? Not according to the rules established by some.

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
6:17 pm

Wow, now we have unfortunate common stupidity.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:23 pm

now we have unfortunate common stupidity.
——————————————————————-
If that was directed at me? Why? If your feelings were hurt by something I said please let me know.
I would hate to hurt anyone’s feefees.

:-)

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:24 pm

the cat,

Given the degree of some your nastiness and illogical rantings I’ll take that as a compliment. You wouldn’t know class if it jumped up and bit you in the butt missy.

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
6:26 pm

“I would hate to hurt anyone’s feefees.”

Haven’t hurt my feelings but you sure are making an ass out of yourself.

Aquagirl

August 25th, 2012
6:29 pm

Man, I know most of those guys are getting up there in years but it was still a shock.

Thulsa-you are disgusting and one of the most classless posters here.

Everyone is reminiscing about a great man and a great achievement, and in strolls Doomy to dump a big one in the punchbowl. What a little person you are if your first thought is “how can I work this into a political insult?”

Oh, and King of Everything, Buzz Aldrin would like a word with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU

Tundra Dude

August 25th, 2012
6:30 pm

That was one of those “we all remember exactly where we were” moments in our history

Not everybody. I just heard the news. (I was busy at the casino) Can’t seem to recall when it happened…early 70’s or so..??

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:30 pm

the cat,

You’re a little late with your countdown there sport. And Doomy is perfectly sober over here. But if you would like I can go drink a case of beer and a liter of Jack and knock myself down a few pegs to your level. Kinda even things up a bit. Cause the only time you ever make sense to anyone is when they’re stone drunk.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:34 pm

Del

According to your previous posts you were in the consultant placement business.

To me that is a PIMP. You make money off other people’s work.

Now you make out as if you do REAL work.

LOL. So how are the spinners on the Escalade working :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 25th, 2012
6:35 pm

Well, I’d been out of the Army 5 years and was well into my career as a sheetrock man and plaster specialist when Armstrong walked on the moon. I remember there was some that said if anybody tried to walk on the moon they would plunge about 20 feet into the powder. My Daddy was still alive back then and he said the whole moon landing thing was fake, made in some Hollywood back lot. But it was sure something when he stepped off of that ladder and said “That’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.” Only he was talking too fast and it sounded like he said “That’s one small step for man . . .”

Anyway, old Walter Cronkite was something on that broadcast when he took off those glasses and said “Man on the moon!” Now Cronkite and Armstrong are both gone, and tell you the truth, I don’t always feel so good myself. May God rest Armstrong’s soul. Now I got to get ready for the monthly poker night up at Billy Bob’s. Have a good night everybody and be sure to get up in time for church tomorrow morning. Then you can come back with a clean soul and blast everybody that writes on here.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:35 pm

Tundra

late ’60s and I remember it well

JamVet

August 25th, 2012
6:35 pm

BTW, Jay you retelling your story about this event really hits home for me.

I remember sitting on the living room floor, in that small Kansas home, watching enraptured, along with all of my brothers and mom and dad as did the rest of humanity, I am certain.

In spite of seeing it with my own eyes, it was almost too fantastic to believe.

I suspect it is why so many of us young boys at the time wanted to become astronauts.

Man, I love this land of the free and the home of the brave…

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:37 pm

Aquagirl,

That must mean there’s a lot of petty little people on here. A lotta of them. Lotta selective outrage too.

Jay

August 25th, 2012
6:37 pm

Let’s back off the personal attacks here, OK?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:39 pm

RC

I knew you was old LOL.

strange times those were. The elders didn’t think it was possible. Now we don’t believe anything (or we believe everything) LOL

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
6:39 pm

“According to your previous posts you were in the consultant placement”

Nope at that time I was peddling business machines that led into several years of sales and management in the I.T. industry. Formed my own business in 1990 and made a lot of money…eat your heart out.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
6:40 pm

Didn’t see this thread, so I’ll just copy what I put downstairs…

R.I.P. Neil Armstrong.

“Houston: Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.” Although I wasn’t born, I have heard those words many a time and felt nothing but pride in what we accomplished at that moment.

I’ll add that, looking at the jackassery on display today, I doubt we’ll see another national moment of celebration of any time for a long time. We will continue to be drowned in a deluge of unbridled jackassery though.

the cat

August 25th, 2012
6:40 pm

Sorry Jay, wonderful post.

Mr_B

August 25th, 2012
6:41 pm

Mr. Armstrong leaves behind a life of accomplishment which by definition cannot be duplicated. No other human being can be first to set foot on our celestial companion.

There are times when politics are unnecessary, and there are also times when politics are unwelcome.

Go with God, Mr. Armstrong.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:41 pm

Jay

I apologize.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:44 pm

Del

Not eating my heart out.

I actually create things software, business products, etc.

You only sell OTHER people products LOL

:-)

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:45 pm

I’m done with it.

RIP Neil. Not just your astronaut career but your military career was phenomenal as well.

Aquagirl

August 25th, 2012
6:45 pm

Sorry Jay, I should leave the attacks to Buzz Aldrin.

the cat

August 25th, 2012
6:47 pm

Jay-please delete my mean comment to thulsa

King of Everything

August 25th, 2012
6:49 pm

Aquagirl – That was funny. Nothing hurts like the truth.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:51 pm

I’ll go ahead and apologize to all for the comment that started it all. My sincerest apology to everyone. Doomy. And suspend myself for the rest of the evening.

JamVet

August 25th, 2012
6:51 pm

Aquagirl, that clip was hysterical…

I generally do not endorse punching people in the face because of insults, but that twerp calling that man a coward???

He deserved it!

And though many Americans are deeply disappointed over the current state of the American space program, lets not forget that amazing landing on Mars that we just pulled off and the multitude of leaps in knowledge that will certainly come from that craft…

Aquagirl

August 25th, 2012
6:54 pm

Sorry I snapped at you Doomy. Have a good weekend and remember…friends don’t let friends drink and post. :)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:55 pm

The Nutster endorsed a new space program. why isn’t he the nominee?

Recon 0311 2533

August 25th, 2012
6:57 pm

“You only sell OTHER people products LOL”

Nope once again, I’m comfortably retired. Good luck.

Thulsa Doom

August 25th, 2012
6:58 pm

Aquagirl,

Its ok. I deserved it. Now I’m really out for the evening.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
6:59 pm

Aquagirl

I don’t know who Jay was complaining about, but your posts to Doomy were right on the money :-)

It seems that those on the fright wing don’t think that they ever do ANYTHING wrong.

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
6:59 pm

So many of the “I remember where I was” moments are of the “OMG! HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN HERE” type. This one was & I hope will always remain heartfelt & heart filling – a source of
of so much pride and wonder – YES! WE DID THIS!

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Del

I’m happy that you are comfortably retired you do deserve it.

I salute you for your service to us all.

Good luck.

:-)

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Oh, & Doomy, I know you are not evil in your heart – hey, “I drinks a bit,” too. :)

Aquagirl

August 25th, 2012
7:03 pm

but that twerp calling that man a coward???

He deserved it!

That’s what a judge decided when Mr. Conspiracy Theorist/Taxicab Driver tried to sue Buzz for punching him. Hizzoner took a look at the tape and said “dismissed.” lol.

It would have been great if some of the original astronauts could have seen us walk on Mars. Oh well. At least they’ve seen the pictures.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:05 pm

G Mare

Doomy is not evil he is just misinformed (plus he drinks a bit) LOL

JamVet

August 25th, 2012
7:07 pm

Think and write what you will about the old Doomster.

But there ain’t many cats with the class to publicly apologize to the forum.

And for that, I salute him…

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:12 pm

Jam

I’m not even sure who Jay was admonishing, but only a few apologized tonight.

TD is one of the few on the right who has in the past admitted getting out of line.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
7:15 pm

I’ll go ahead and apologize to all for the comment that started it all. My sincerest apology to everyone. Doomy. And suspend myself for the rest of the evening.

Whether I agree with you or not on any given subject, that right there is what separates you from those who I feel have no class at all. Apology accepted from me with no hesitation at all. Enjoy your evening, bro and ROLL TIDE!!

Soothsayer

August 25th, 2012
7:16 pm

Little did we know it at the time, but Armstrong and Aldrin were really surveying for Gnute’s moon base.

Damn! I wish the RepugNOwecan’ts had picked him!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 25th, 2012
7:18 pm

Well, I just looked over the Republican Convention schedule and I can’t hardly wait till Tuesday night. The last speaker is that big fat well fed New Jersey guvner. I just hope they got some 2 x 12 joists at 1 foot centers under that platform, like I got under the trailer floor at home. If he fell thru he could take the whole building with him.

Anyhow, I got to run. Don’t want to miss the opening hand of Texas hold ‘em.

JamVet

August 25th, 2012
7:18 pm

Common, let’s face it.

Most of us can be and have been real dicks here.

Especially, yours truly.

But if there is one thing I’ve learned wondering this planet for more than half a century, if you can’t forgive other people in this life, you are gonna have some serious problems!

Not a big Kumbaya guy, just a huge Todd Rundgren fan…

What are riches untold
in a life without compassion?
For there’s no winter as cold
as a life without compassion.
There’s no prescription that’s sold
that can heal you like compassion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ERGynR-CM

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:20 pm

Bro

even though TD and I don’t agree on everything I do read his posts as they are fairly thought out (Unless he has been drinking LOL).

He has reasoning powers at least for his right wing views. :-)

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
7:21 pm

Sooth@7:16, BRILLIANT.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
7:22 pm

Armstrong’s not the only national treasure we lost.

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jerry Nelson, the puppeteer behind a delightful menagerie of characters including Count von Count on ‘‘Sesame Street’’ and Gobo Fraggle on ‘‘Fraggle Rock,’’ has died. He was 78.

While I didn’t witness Armstrong making history, I grew up watching The Count on Sesame Street, and he has always been one of my favorite characters. May he also rest in peace.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
7:23 pm

NoCom

True!! I can’t argue against that at all.

Tundra Dude

August 25th, 2012
7:25 pm

Pittsburg:
late ’60s and I remember it well

July 69 I just learned….got a good excuse for not recalling it. Was somewhere on the Indian Ocean, off East Africa, on a freighter. Only news we got was BBC on shortwave,

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
7:28 pm

Rest in peace, Neil. The moon did indeed take on a whole new aura once he sat foot on it. His footstep symbolized what we can do. I do wonder if we’ll ever be able to do anything like that again though. I’m just not sure this nation has it in it anymore. I hope I’m wrong.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:29 pm

Bro

even though you were too young for Neil maybe you remember this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Windom_(actor)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:31 pm

Tundra

You be old also :-)

As long as a few of you are older I feel young LOL

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
7:36 pm

Jay, thanks for this column. It recalls a wondrous moment for many of us & is a bit of a history lesson for the ones who are too young, a remembrance of a time when we all were proud of our country.

Now, I must also recall the pride I felt in 2008, when we elected our president. This was truly an historic moment & it saddens me that too many refuse to see it as such. That said, no I do not agree with everything he has done, but I must say, “Damn, the man is tryin.”

Four more years!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 25th, 2012
7:36 pm

Neil Armstrong put his life on the line as a Navy pilot (Korean War) and as an astronaut.

He deserves our flag at half-staff.

I hope he receives that honor.

Mr_B

August 25th, 2012
7:36 pm

In my experience, Doomy’s apology is much more in character for him than the blow-up.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 25th, 2012
7:36 pm

As long as a few of you are older I feel young LOL

Well, hang around, young fellow. I remember in my time feeling like I was young and everybody else was older than dirt. Before you even realize it people will be pointing you out and asking, “Who’s the old f_rt?”

finn mccool

August 25th, 2012
7:38 pm

My grandmother thought the landing was staged on a hollywood set.

Aquagirl

August 25th, 2012
7:40 pm

But there ain’t many cats with the class to publicly apologize to the forum. And for that, I salute him…

If you’re talking Doomy, a salute won’t cut it…maybe do a belly shot from a Hooter’s waitress in his honor.

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
7:40 pm

“I am, and ever will be, a white socks, pocket protector, nerdy engineer,” he said in February 2000 in one of his rare public appearances. “And I take a substantial amount of pride in the accomplishments of my profession.”

Salute! Fellow engineer.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
7:40 pm

NoCom

I remember him from his later years. Looking over images, I can recall seeing him on “Murder She Wrote”. I didn’t realize he had passed away recently.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common - Bored in Pittsburgh

August 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

RC

you missed the billboard I put up near the trailer park with your picture on your birfday?

WELCOME HOME YOU OLD FART ON YOUR 65 BIRFDAY

Damn, I want my money back :-)

JamVet

August 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

OK, gang, off to see these guys.

Have a great evening!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9YMQlBdbYE

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
7:46 pm

Taxpayer@7:28, we did when we elected our president! And if we lose to the (okay, tryin’ to be fair & balanced here) to Mr. Romney in November, I retain the hope that we will come to our senses in 2016.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

John Glenn may live forever.

He and Chuck Yeager will end the original astronaut enrollment program.

They were the best of the best at that time.

Jack

August 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

Sic ‘em, Doom. Neil was my hero.

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
8:01 pm

G Mare,

I’m thinkin’ more along the lines of how our nation is being taken over by a handful of wealthy elite that are more interested in expanding their own personal empires than in being contributing members of this nation. The Koch Brothers, for example, would have us all fend for ourselves or drop dead and then they would curse the dead for daring not clean up after themselves. That’s not the attitude that brought us this far. I do think Obama has that correct attitude but he needs legislators that will work with him, not against his every move.

wet wiccan

August 25th, 2012
8:01 pm

It really was a remarkable achievement, especially when you think about how primitive the computers were at that time. It took a lot of courage for those men to travel that far and come back.

For the geeks in the house…

Released in 1979, just a decade after Apollo 11’s trip to the Moon, the 8086’s cousin, the 8088, formed the basis for the IBM PC we all know and love. When the IBM PC “XT” was released in 1981, the lowest end configuration had 8 times more memory than Apollo’s Guidance Computer — 16k, vs the Apollo’s 2k. The read-only storage of the AGC was 32k,

http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2009/07/20/how-powerful-was-the-apollo-11-computer/

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 25th, 2012
8:04 pm

Well, it looks like the good Lord don’t want a full Republican convention, and I can’t figure out what he’s got against us, other than that helping the poor and looking after the sick thing, etc. How was we to know He’s a Librul?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/25/approaching-storm-forces-republicans-to-consider-delay-convention-start/

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
8:05 pm

I hope everyone here will read Homer Hickam’s book, THE ROCKET BOYS, or see the movie OCTOBER SKY – a tribute to young people inspired to achieve greatness. We so need the inspiration.

Peadawg

August 25th, 2012
8:07 pm

We all know that video clip was done in Hollywood. Come on people!

:)

Hope everyone’s having a good weekend.

Oh, and anyone else see Romney’s birther joke? Yikes. He really is leaning farther and farther to the right each day.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
8:07 pm

wiccan

Thanks for that link. I learned BASIC and Pascal, so I’ve always been amazed at what NASA engineers pulled off in the 1960’s.

Adam

August 25th, 2012
8:08 pm

RIP. Sad to see a true hero of the last positive event in the last 50 years that everyone remembers where they were when it happened (that is courtesy of Neil deGrasse Tyson tweeting today in honor).

Adam

August 25th, 2012
8:10 pm

Gah, I missed completing my thought because of the parenthesis. Oh well, everyone knows what I meant. I am drinking to him, and to the space program we built in this country, tonight.

Cheers, all.

Adam

August 25th, 2012
8:11 pm

Brosephus: I do programming for a living (day job at big oil). I have heard many stories of punch cards in the early days, having to number them in pencil in case you dropped them. BASIC and Pascal in high school, of all places :o

Adam

August 25th, 2012
8:12 pm

Peadawg: I saw that one. Red meat for the base but I don’t think that is really necessary at this point, heh.

josef

August 25th, 2012
8:12 pm

RIP

And like everybody else, I remember it as if it were only yesterday, which in that journey from the trees to the stars, it was. Good column, Big Daddy,

********

Apologies? Okay, I apologize for my presence and very existence. Does that cover it? :-)

Old School Girl

August 25th, 2012
8:19 pm

Jay, I was 11 at the time, and I remember carrying around a notebook, and writing down everything that I heard and saw. Although I went to visit my grandmother in Pennsylvania, I remember listening to updates everywhere and always wrote down updates on their progress in my notebook. I was just as proud as everyone on this blog, and I too went outside to look at the moon that night.

I just shared with my children, the awe and respect that I had for the moonlanding experience, and Mr. Armstrong along with his crew. I thank God for the opportunity to have been born at a time when I could experience such historic events. Thank you Jay for sharing.

Jay

August 25th, 2012
8:21 pm

Thanks, Thulsa. Appreciate it.

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
8:28 pm

Taxpayer@8:01, fer sure! We are headed into very scary territory if the Republicans win in November. I just do not understand so many people voting against their own interests. But then, I know a few
folks who believe what they hear on Faux news & refuse to believe otherwise. As I said, truly scary!

Soothsayer

August 25th, 2012
8:28 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

Sooth:

And some liberals claim that citizens with concealed carry permits are a danger and should wait for the police to arrive ?

double

August 25th, 2012
8:31 pm

RIP Neil Armstrong.

Don Abernethy

August 25th, 2012
8:33 pm

If only America was the way is was 40 years ago when the moon landing occurred.

Soothsayer

August 25th, 2012
8:33 pm

josef

August 25th, 2012
8:36 pm

DON

America IS a much better place than it was 40 years ago. And don’t forget, the state it’s in now is our generation’s making. And I for one and rather proud of what our progeny is doing.

G Mare

August 25th, 2012
8:45 pm

Amen, Don Abernathy. Unfortunately, we can never go back to that time of innocence when we could sleep out in our backyards & ride our bikes all over town without fear. Maybe there was never a time for those things; maybe we were just never told about that bad stuff. However, it made for a more innocent time. I am glad that I grew up in that innocence & I regret that my kids & grands will never know it.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
8:48 pm

Adam

After doing BASIC and Pascal, I realized my potential in mathematics. ;)

If only America was the way is was 40 years ago when the moon landing occurred.

America in the Sixties was in a much worse place than America today. If people don’t take a deep breath and realize that, we’ll see the bad side of that decade repeated all over again. What should worry people is that weapons and technology are much more readily available, easily accessible, and far more deadly now than they were then.

ragnar danneskjold

August 25th, 2012
8:48 pm

Well-written, fully agree. I was at a family reunion that Sunday afternoon, and our group of 40+ huddled in front of that huge 23-inch television screen, including all of us youngsters. The memory of the landing and the first-step later still awes me, perhaps more than anything else before the fall of communism.

josef

August 25th, 2012
8:53 pm

GMARE

Your own g’kids in their dotage will remember these days through the same romantic perspective that what’s past is perfect. I’m not trying to be a stick in the mud, being the eternal optimist that I am, but for a little gay boy looking up at the moon that night and sneaking a kiss from Joe Boy M when nobody was looking, the view from today is much better…

kayaker 71

August 25th, 2012
9:03 pm

Taxpayer, 8:01,

Is that the same Koch brothers that employs nearly 70,000 people world wide and provides jobs that allow these people to thrive, send their kids to school, maintain a decent lifestyle and provide resources for their retirement years?

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:06 pm

Enter your comments here

josef

August 25th, 2012
9:07 pm

Okay, MOONbat, you were there when he landed…tell us about it! :-)

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:08 pm

RIP Neil.

Everyone dreams of doing what you did.

and what it will lead to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFks9A9TCF0

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:09 pm

I could only wish, josef.

but one can only try.

Tall

August 25th, 2012
9:11 pm

Wow!!!!!

It’s 9:11pm on a Saturday evening. Are any potential advertisers noticing the activity on Mr. Bookman’s column?

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

Tall, yeah, Viagra is picking up on you right now.

josef

August 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

Cartoon I remember from the time. Moonman is sitting at the breakfast table reading the morning paper and remarks to his Mrs. Moonman, “looks like those nuts over in the Sea of Tranquility are seeing UFOs again.”

Tall

August 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

Monnbat:

I don’t need Viagara. That’s what abortion is for.

josef

August 25th, 2012
9:17 pm

TALL

You can bet the AJC admen are…I kinda wonder how much they do pitch this blog. I do pay attention to who buys space here…

Fred ™

August 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

Neil Armstrong was my neighbor at the time he walked on the moon. Virtually the whole neighborhood was full of astronauts or folks who worked for NASA.

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

Since I missed the FNM, here’s one for getalife to enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOO4VZeH4-g

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
9:23 pm

kayaker,

These Koch brothers. Feel free to kiss their… feet all you want.

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

Fred, THAT’S INCREDIBLE!

Did you give that man a Papbst Blue Ribbon when he got back?

josef

August 25th, 2012
9:27 pm

FRED

So, is that why you’re such a space cadet? :-)

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
9:31 pm

In 1999, a Texas jury imposed a $296 million verdict on a Koch pipeline unit — the largest compensatory damages judgment in a wrongful death case against a corporation in U.S. history. The jury found that the company’s negligence had led to a butane pipeline rupture that fueled an explosion that killed two teenagers.

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

From 1999 through 2003, Koch Industries was assessed more than $400 million in fines, penalties and judgments. In December 1999, a civil jury found that Koch Industries had taken oil it didn’t pay for from federal land by mismeasuring the amount of crude it was extracting. Koch paid a $25 million settlement to the U.S.

Phil Dubose, a Koch employee who testified against the company said he and his colleagues were shown by their managers how to steal and cheat — using techniques they called the Koch Method.

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

Sally Barnes-Soliz, who’s now an investigator for the State Department of Labor and Industries in Washington, says that when she worked for Koch, her bosses and a company lawyer at the Koch refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas, asked her to falsify data for a report to the state on uncontrolled emissions of benzene, a known cause of cancer. Barnes-Soliz, who testified to a federal grand jury, says she refused to alter the numbers.

“They didn’t know what to do with me,” she says. “They were really kind of baffled that I had ethics.”

Koch’s refinery unit pleaded guilty in 2001 to a federal felony charge of lying to regulators and paid $20 million in fines and penalties.

josef

August 25th, 2012
9:36 pm

TAXI

Damned government regulators…

Fred ™

August 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

Moonbat: No but when he had a garage sale he autographed all the books that they were selling. We have a copy of Pippi Longstocking with Neil Armstrong’s autograph in it floating around my folks old house.

josef: That would be why. It gets worse, unless he lied and didn’t take it, Jim Irwin left my name on the moon. He went to our church and his family and mine were great friends, anyway, when he went to the moon they did this “our prayers are with you Jim” thing one Sunday night and everyone signed it. mine was a huge 1st grader signature lol. He said he was going to take ot with him and leave it on the moon.

lynnie gal

August 25th, 2012
9:47 pm

I was playing outside when dad called us kids inside to see something on TV. I didn’t want to go inside, but Dad said it was history we were gonna see and made us sit down and watch. It was amazing listening to Neil Armstrong’s voice all the way from the moon and watching him walk on that bright orb in the sky. It was magic. Thank you Neil and all the brave astronauts who have fed our imaginations with wonder and helped us try to answer the ancient question–What’s out there?

josef

August 25th, 2012
9:49 pm

FRED

Now, that’s not something just everybody can claim!

Neil Fox

August 25th, 2012
9:50 pm

Here is an online memorial to Neil Armstrong – please feel free to light a virtual candle or send
virtual flowers – http://www.memorialmatters.com/memorials.php?page=NeilArmstrong

Fred ™

August 25th, 2012
9:52 pm

LOL I did a little research and found the church. The one preacher they talk about, ‘Brother Bill” was a B17 pilot in WWII and was shot down. In a Nazi prisoner of war camp he decided to become a preacher. Hollywood made a movie about it, but I can’t remember the name of it……..

Fred ™

August 25th, 2012
9:52 pm

TaxPayer

August 25th, 2012
9:53 pm

Internal company records show that Koch Industries used its foreign subsidiary to sidestep a U.S. trade ban barring American companies from selling materials to Iran. Koch-Glitsch offices in Germany and Italy continued selling to Iran until as recently as 2007, the records show.

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:55 pm

TaxPayer,

I want you to be my HNR Block Tax Attorney, ok?

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
9:57 pm

you are lucky to have seen it, lynnie,

there’s a bunch of ingrates who fail to see the significance.

god rest their souls.

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
10:08 pm

Fred ™

August 25th, 2012
10:08 pm

Betty: Given that the town we were in was basically built for the space program and mission control, when we were in school and a launch was going off or a landing or anything like that, they would show it on TV’s in the classrooms. If it happened at other times, neighbors would watch together.

When we moved away from Nassau Bay it seemed so strange not to be a part of it. Elsewhere the space program was taken for granted.

Oderrick

August 25th, 2012
10:11 pm

RIP Neil. You made us proud. You could have easily capitalized on your fame but instead you handled it with tremendous dignity, staying out of the limelight all this years. Thanks from a grateful nation.

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
10:12 pm

Fred

No wonder you’re such a geek, you were surrounded by them… :)

In all seriousness though, that has to be the coolest way a kid could ever dream of growing up.

moonbat betty

August 25th, 2012
10:13 pm

Brosephus™

August 25th, 2012
10:19 pm

I’m a bit too young for the solid rocket phase of NASA, but I do remember this moment here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt6Bt1pZ4Is

This happened in the spring of my 2nd grade year. I used to have models of the shuttle with the white tank, but I haven’t seen one in years.

Mick

August 25th, 2012
10:23 pm

Nobody gets to live forever, so many have passed that inspired. We really went to the moon and back several times then…apollo 13.
We just put a tech rover on mars. The exploration continues, neil armstrong the man who stepped on the moon lifted us with those great words – thanks
Pink floyd on the bbc was allowed to play this improvised piece during the moon landing, pretty cool-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBgK2QVnNx4

jconservative

August 25th, 2012
10:45 pm

I was in Korat, Thailand watching live on TV in our battalion barracks. It was a great day for the human race.

Area 51

August 25th, 2012
11:10 pm

He certainly did take a giant leap for mankind. For after that day, the government knew that with proper manipulation of the video broadcast and the facts, they could get the american and world public to believe practically anything.

“I can honestly say — and it’s a big surprise to me — that I have never had a dream about being on the moon,” Little wonder – considering it never happened.

Fred ™

August 25th, 2012
11:25 pm

Little wonder – considering it never happened.
Finally. Someone more stupid and insane than the Republicans that frequent this blog.

td

August 25th, 2012
11:35 pm

This Gallop poll is so interesting. There is the same gender gap for Obama and men as there is Romney and women.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/156848/obama-remains-women-presidential-pick-romney-men.aspx

JKL2

August 25th, 2012
11:43 pm

Best wishes to his family. Thank you for your serice to our country.

obama said “He didn’t do that” when he heard of Armstrong landing on the moon. I know it’s true because Harry Reid’s friend called and told me it was.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 25th, 2012
11:50 pm

I was 8 when he stepped on the moon. When I was younger the NASA achievements gave me strength. To me it represented what we can achieve when we work together. I have lost that feeling over the years because I no longer feel like we can work together toward a common goal.

RIP Neil and thank you for conducting yourself with class and humility during your life after NASA.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
2:32 am

News Flash:

The executive editor of the New York Times is disputing an accusation of liberal bias made by her very own public editor, Arthur Brisbane.

In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers “share a kind of political and cultural progressivism” that “virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.” Brisbane even argued that Times reporters approached some liberal issues, like gay marriage and the Occupy movement, “more like causes than news subjects.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/nyts-abramson-rebuts-brisbane-charge-133211.html

Tundra Dude

August 26th, 2012
4:43 am

Crier wrote, in part:
In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers “share a kind of political and cultural progressivism” that “virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.”

Keywords: final column
Don’t suppose he’s a mite upset they didn’t want his services for an optional 3rd year…..?
tip: Not the best source of info, someone who’s just been let go from a job.

Here’s a 2nd opinion:
“I never saw a foreign intervention that the [New York] Times did not support, never saw a fare increase or a rent increase or a utility rate increase that it did not endorse, never saw it take the side of labor in a strike or lockout, or advocate a raise for underpaid workers. And don’t let me get started on universal health care and Social Security. So why do people think the Times is liberal?”
~veteran New York Times reporter John Hess

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 26th, 2012
6:24 am

1969: NASA exploring Moon.
.

2012: TSA exploring Uranus.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
7:40 am

Please pass me the hand sanitizer. I just got back from Kyles. What a cesspool.

They have a VJ, Bruno, who is trying to replicate our Friday party. 90% of the artist he is playing would not want their music associated with his/their views.
I never met Jerry, but I`m 99% sure he was not a con.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2012
7:41 am

mornin’.

I’ve seen some stupid posts in my time, but …

Between this, upthread, and some incredibly stupid broad-brush swipes TD took at black men the other day (I’m not going to bother looking it up), he’s officially back on my sh-t list.

for what that’s worth to anyone else, which ain’t much I’m sure.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2012
7:43 am

Don’t think anyone posted this, but it’s kind of important to remember:

http://www.freep.com/article/20120826/NEWS07/308260290/Moonwalker-s-a-got-lost-in-transmission

Was the walk on the moon one small step for man, or a man?

Neil Armstrong’s first words from the moon were heard all over Earth, and Earth heard this: “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”

But Armstrong said immediately after the 1969 landing that he had been misquoted. He said he actually said, “That’s one small step for a man.” It’s just that people didn’t hear it.

The astronaut acknowledged during a 30th anniversary gathering in 1999 that he didn’t hear himself say it either when he listened to the transmission from the July 20, 1969, moon landing.

“The ‘a’ was intended,” Armstrong said. “I thought I said it. I can’t hear it when I listen on the radio reception here on Earth, so I’ll be happy if you just put it in parentheses.”

Here’s to your next journey, Neil.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
7:50 am

TONIGHT!

BB King and Tedeski/Trucks Band.

If we are lucky BB will have two of the best guitar players on the planet up for a song or 2.

Gregg Allman was asked to compare Derick Trucks guitar playing with his brothers playing. He said, that Duane had only been playing slide for 5 years when he died. Derick has been playing slide for 15 years now and is more a virtuoso. But he said, NOBODY has been able to duplicate Duane`s tone.

Mick

August 26th, 2012
8:01 am

skydog

So, bruno jumped ship and is trying to piggyback on jay’s innovation? What are you gonna do?

Here’s a song that a close friend wrote after hurricane andrew, it kcks some serious butt – you’ll have to scroll almost all the way down the site then click “the storm” greatest hurricane tune ever!!!

http://sarahmasonmusic.com/The_Ray___Joe_Show.html

Mick

August 26th, 2012
8:20 am

Jay, if you are around, that hurricane tune is very much bose worthy – turn it up!

Tropical storm isaac so far has been just a rain event, not much wind, let’s hope it stays that way…

skydog

August 26th, 2012
8:21 am

Yeah Mick, he is trying, but he is doing the Clear Chanel thing, only playing the “hits” and not digging up the good stuff.
If you don`t know where to dig it`s pretty hard to find treasure.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
8:26 am

bman

August 26th, 2012
8:33 am

Skydog .. .. When Obama says we don’t want to go back. We need to keep moving forward. it applies to songs like that, too lol

You won’t hear that on any radio, and for good reason. Gosh…that’s awful

skydog

August 26th, 2012
8:36 am

bman

August 26th, 2012
8:43 am

haha thanks Skydog

skydog

August 26th, 2012
8:52 am

That was Terry Bozzio drums. Frank wrote a piece of drum music trying to stump Terry. It is called the black sheet because there were so many notes written on the page the sheet was almost black.
Here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQt2inyxNNg

See bman, you can`t get info like this over “there”.
Well let you flip flop and come on over……………..If you have picture ID, Birth Certificate, Library Card, and a letter saying you ain`t a unicorn.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:54 am

skydog

Bruno left here a while back in a hissy fit.

I still don’t quite understand why.

Maybe he wasn’t getting the love he needed from Jay. :-)

skydog

August 26th, 2012
8:56 am

That`s OK.
I left one in the punchbowl for him over at Kyles.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:07 am

bman

August 26th, 2012
9:09 am

Skydog .. .. I don’t read Kyles blog. This is the only blog I visit.

I do read over cnbc, drudgereport and huffington post.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:15 am

Alright bman, you are in the right place for tunes.

As far a politics, good luck working against Bookman`s starting defense.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:16 am

Rightwing Troll

August 26th, 2012
9:18 am

“Bruno left here a while back in a hissy fit.

I still don’t quite understand why.

Maybe he wasn’t getting the love he needed from Jay.”

Bruno was disasterously wrong in his prognostications about the AHA, was on this very board at 2:00a the night before the SCOTUS decision happily warming up his endzone dance and his nya nya nya’s… then after the ruling he flamed out, told all us “libs” to “stick it up our a$$es”, proceeded to ramble on about how he and his girlfriend were in fear for thier lives because of his posting here, what a sore loser, and an idiot… Bruno’s actions on that day revealed the true paranoid and pathetic person that resides within. You all can pine away for the loss of an unhinged, deluded wingnut from Jay’s libural blog, I say good riddance.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:21 am

Troll

That’s why I missed it then 2am. Geesh. I guess he couldn’t sleep in anticipation of the ruling LOL

It’s too bad that some can’t get off their high horses.

Unless of course it’s MY high horse :-)

Orange12

August 26th, 2012
9:22 am

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:22 am

Speaking of defense.
I had rather be hit by Ronnie Lott than come in here and present a dumb idea.
Get hit by Lawrence Taylor or blog planted by getalife?
Give me LT.
Bones will heal.

GT

August 26th, 2012
9:23 am

The American spirit or any human spirit to me is an act of Godliness. To get off one’s couch for no other reason than to just do something no one has ever done before and to take a nation with him is one of those defining moments of inspiration that sticks to the bones of fellow Americans and the world. This country has that spirit it was built on it, you see it in the interest of the recent Olympics, the whole country right, left and in the middle pulling for fellow Americans in a event that has no higher result than the pure joy of competition. And for you dull of memory or not there at all, John F. Kennedy started this quest and because of his charisma we followed through. For people who think a flat lined personality can lead us back to these days or save an England from the Germans in World War II need to think again. It ain’t the jobs we are losing in this country it is the human individual spirit and we need it back.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:26 am

“flat lined personality”

I like that.

bman

August 26th, 2012
9:43 am

“As far a politics, good luck working against Bookman`s starting defense.”

Oh, I don’t argue too much around here with anyone. And, I’m not sure who are the top defensive players here, either haha…

I can assure you that the ones who you probably believe are part of that defensive team have no card in the game.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:48 am

Or Bookman could BE all these people?
Wizzard of OZ thing going on?

O'Really

August 26th, 2012
9:50 am

A51 @ 11:10pm “I can honestly say — and it’s a big surprise to me — that I have never had a dream about being on the moon,” Little wonder – considering it never happened.

Of course you are right, and the earth is flat.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
9:50 am

Flat lined personality? Classic!!

Well, in his defense, he really, really tries to be like one of the “little people”. But it’s just so dang hard!! I mean its one thing to tell them to clean your houses for a pittance; but its quite another to actually have to touch them to shake their hands! Eeeeww!

TaxPayer

August 26th, 2012
9:51 am

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:55 am

I think Jay should go down to the Gold Dome and get us some tickets to a show before the unlimited gift things passes.
Where Chambliss been lately? Oh yeah, It`s golf season.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:58 am

I think the reason Mitt won`t release his taxes is that he has not given the Mormon Church their 10%.

He may not care what we think, but he cares what they would say about a mere 3% donation. They want there 10%.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:00 am

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:05 am

skydog

I have a different take on the tax returns.

I think some of his offshore accounts gained a significant amount of money off of illegal (in he US) investments (think Iran) that he doesn’t want to come to light.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:06 am

I don`t believe that God sends hurricanes to plague folks, but if a swarm of locust hits Tampa Tuesday morning, I`ll be in church for Wed. night supper.

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
10:08 am

Enter your comments hereCommon Freaking Sense isn’t very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:05 am

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Sounds about right. He said some of the information in the returns would be used against him unfarily by the Obama campaign.

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
10:09 am

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:00 am
______

There, there, now.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:10 am

You could be right common., Mittens will get over losing an election, but screwing The Mormon Church would be the worst information for him. He will never release this info.
He would be legal, but super screwed.

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
10:14 am

skydog

August 26th, 2012
9:58 am

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He must have been paying 10 per cent of his adjusted gross income. which was next to nothing after all the shelters and deductions (loopholes).

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
10:17 am

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:06 am
I don`t believe that God sends hurricanes to plague folks, but if a swarm of locust hits Tampa Tuesday morning, I`ll be in church for Wed. night supper.

___________

Isaac was sent to rid Tampa of the locusts that were descentding on them. And it did, for one day at least.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:18 am

Heck I don`t blame Mittens. I ain`t gonna give anybody 10% of that yearly income either.

10% X $200,000,000 a year = $20,000,000
(the above figures are only an estimate since we don`t have any paper)

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:21 am

I was hoping this `Cane was named Con nie,

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
10:24 am

To me it represented what we can achieve when we work together. I have lost that feeling over the years because I no longer feel like we can work together toward a common goal

That was very eloquent of you. Thanks for sharing that.
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then after the ruling he flamed out, told all us “libs” to “stick it up our a$$es”, proceeded to ramble on about how he and his girlfriend were in fear for thier lives because of his posting here, what a sore loser, and an idiot….

Wait…..hold on a minute………i just can’t believe this…..you’re telling me that Bruno had a girlfriend? Unbelievable!! More liberal lies if you ask me……..

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:24 am

sky

I could have be named Newt since it blows hard :-)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:27 am

It could have been named Newt since it blows hard

dysfunctional fingers in the morning :-)

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:27 am

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
10:28 am

Between this, upthread, and some incredibly stupid broad-brush swipes TD took at black men the other day (I’m not going to bother looking it up), he’s officially back on my sh-t list.

for what that’s worth to anyone else, which ain’t much I’m sure.

But…but…but…didnja see? He apologized and all is forgiven. :roll: :roll:

Again — the regulars from CT’s know the score.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:33 am

Has anyone got program for these rodeos?
I`ve been reading, but the aka`s are confusing.
I do know not to say the Dave word at either watering hole.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:35 am

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 26th, 2012
6:24 am

1969: NASA exploring Moon.
.

2012: TSA exploring Uranus.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Awesome dude. :thumb:

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:37 am

sky

For the most part over here at Jay’s the posters keep their names the same (Jay frowns upon the name changing trolls) :-)

Over on Kyle’s the same can’t be said

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
10:39 am

Does Pat Robertson contend that the impending hurricane is proof positive that God hates Republicans?

LOL!

Man, the Atlanta Rhythm Section show last night was awe -sum!

I got to go backstage and meet the boys in the band. What a great and gracious group of guys. I got one of the setlists and had them all sign it.

The crowd was dancing and singing and generally having one helluva great time.

My first time seeing them and what a treat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wawp5NNKOi0

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:39 am

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:06 am

I don`t believe that God sends hurricanes to plague folks, but if a swarm of locust hits Tampa Tuesday morning, I`ll be in church for Wed. night supper.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Save me a seat. I’ll be there too lol.Even a BAPTIST church……….

oh and your “screwing the Mormons” thing was pretty spot on lol. I never thought of that angle. Mormons don’t play. If you don’t give 10% and don’t say you are no biggie, but if you TELL them you are giving 10% and you aren’t, they will “punish” you.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:42 am

DADT in the Morman Church

I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya :-)

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:42 am

Again — the regulars from CT’s know the score.

If by CT’s you mean Cynthia Tuckers, I never went there. Too many far left wing nutcases, and I mean NUTCASES. Folks who make Sooth and you look like conservatives lol.

But I read her columns. I didn’t always agree, but she always supported her opinions with facts.

Thomas

August 26th, 2012
10:43 am

Let’s see- I can spew out on a blog like I am someone meaningful or I can go make something of myself……

bman

August 26th, 2012
10:44 am

Janvet .. .. ARS have a collection of some really good stuff.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:45 am

LOL Common. Do you know any Mormons well enough to talk to them about their religion? my cousin is Mormon so I know all the in’s and out’s. their social programs are phenomenal. The only unemployed, homeless Mormon’s with no food are ones who want to be that way. Mormon’s take care of their own.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:47 am

Thomas

August 26th, 2012
10:43 am

Let’s see- I can spew out on a blog like I am someone meaningful or I can go make something of myself……
++++++++++++++++++++

Or you could be a pretentious anus and spew out on a blog with a talk radiolike slogan like you ARE someone while the fact remains that you are STILL spewing out on a blog like those you are attempting to belitle.

Hypocrisy much?

skydog

August 26th, 2012
10:48 am

Just like casinos, these folks didn`t build this by getting screwed.
http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/saltlake/gallery/

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
10:48 am

Fred

The only “left wing nutcases” there was me, Keep and Granny Godzilla. Everyone else was there to crap on the place.

Some of the very same people here and the ones over at Kyle’s that were banned from here.

Of course they constantly changed their nom-de-blogs to protect whatever reputation they established here.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:49 am

Fred

I know some people who are Morman, nice people for the most part and very family oriented.

They do take care of their own in a way we could ALL learn something from.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:49 am

Jamvet: I’m a little leary of seeing a band with a dead lead singer. How did that affect the sound? I’ve heard that both Styx and Journey have found folks that sound eerily like their banished lead singers, but I’ve still shied away from them………..

David Granger

August 26th, 2012
10:52 am

Hope Mr. Gorsky appreciate it. (I know that’s just an urban myth, but even though it isn’t true I’m going to believe it anyway…)

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
10:52 am

Kam: Maybe I read far in the past lol because I remember some really far left stuff. Of course there was the folks who spent all their time hating, but I mostly ignored them like I do here.

It’s amazing how easily this blogs reads when you scroll past the proven radio programmed talkbots who never have a logical or original thing, (or funny), thing to say.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
10:56 am

i change my “name” quite often on blogs; i find it intereting how some people react to a name with precoceived ideas of whom is posting. For instance — sometimes I call myself Bluto The Blue Boy — it’s just a shout out to all those Popeye cartoons or I may call myself J. Wellington Wimpy (my favorite — another shout out to Popeye); it’s amazing how everyone assumes that I’m male.

If I call myself “I Like Ike” – people assume I’m a republican, not because of anything i do or don’t post, but because I put “Ike’ in the name.

The blogs/cyberspace/blogging/posting – is really the greatest social experiment of all time. People feel free to assume things just by a name, without actually going any deeper than that.

Its like when Cynthia Tucker had a blog — no matter what she wrote, no matter if she even AGREED with the right; there were cons on the blog who screeched at her for being a lib, who called her every filthy name they could get away with; and who never ONCE read a word she had to say. Just because it came from her, it was automatically denounced. Very interesting.

Also, I’d like to add, i can’t change my URL nor do i change my email address; so Jay or Colin, or whomever know who I am and I guess as long as I don’t have arguments and/or agreements with myself, (like that poor unfortunate mentally unhinged woman in North Georgia), nor do i try to “out” any other blogger, all is well.

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
11:00 am

Fred, Ronnie Justo was the original lead singer for the band in 1972 and got his chops singing with Roy Orbison.

A killer vocalist in his own right.

Dean Daughtrey and Paul Goddard were the other two original members that performed last night.

And I didn’t see anyone who was b*tching about anything they were doing!

Champagne Jam
Back up Against the Wall (It took exactly two songs to get a whole bunch of people up dancing!)
Spooky (Who doesn’t love that song?)
Doraville (My home town!!)
Alien (Got the girls all swinging!)
Conversation
Large Time
I’m Not Gonna Let It Bother Me Tonight (Tore the place down!)
Do It or Die (Super sweeet)
So Into You (See Spooky)
Homesick (Monster!)
Georgia Rhythm (See Bother)
Imaginary Lover (What needs to be said?)

I saw Rusgh a couple of years ago for the first time and like that show, I feel like I’m getting a final chance to see these bands that I have ALWAYS loved…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvTXJzNpTk

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
11:03 am

Madge, your “shape-shifting” (LOL) is cool by me.

Why?

Because you are interesting, informative and funny as hell.

The man-spirited and malicious little dicks who change personae are none of the above!

Much more than just a southern rock band, but this one really captures that aspect of their stuff…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoPljLdKC1c

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
11:10 am

Why thank you JamVet — i like you too!

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
11:13 am

Jamvet: Rush is awesome. I first saw them on the 2112 tour. i saw them every album up until……… Different Stages, (I think). Some tour here in around ‘92. John Rutney was the original drummer, but I wouldn’t want to see them without Neil Peart.

I also wouldn’t exactly pay money to see Pete Best even though he also was “original.”

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
11:17 am

This is a comment from TaxPayer’s link at 9:51 am regarding Mitt’s ties to Bain and his tax reporting:

Anti-Obama voters will bend themselves into pretzels to justify this. When it is no different from what the financial system has done – to them, to the country. Elective cognitive dissonance. That fact is extremely disturbing to me. Blind allegiance to a rich, indifferent man just to get the black man out.

Wow! Thats some good stuff — accurate too.

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
11:18 am

Fred, agreed on Peart!

I saw the Who post Keith Moon and the second time post John Entwhistle as well.

But I went friggin’ berserk both times! Talk about being able to instantly transform myself right back into being a young dog! That is what those first strains of Baba O’Reilly did to me! And when Pete Townshend says to the crowd that that song now belongs to the fans, my god, how much better than that can it get?

Even if some of the band members move on (even to the Great Gig in the Sky, LOL!) rock and roll will never die!

Fantastic harmonies…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfseX-a4-KE

skydog

August 26th, 2012
11:20 am

I saw ARS them a bunch back in the day. I saw them a couple of years ago and they still sounded great.
Those songs were well crafted.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
11:28 am

More good stuff from Huffington:

“The New York Times has reported that after Bain bought the toy company in 2000, KB Toys filed for bankruptcy, laying off more than 3,000 workers. Bain’s aggressive financial maneuvering, however, scored a 370 percent return on its investment.”

This is something that should be highlighted as well. Romney did not build his business without government assistance. Last time I checked, bankruptcy was going to the government and asking them to forgive some, or all, of one’s debt owed to another person or corporation.

Romney knows that these issues are complex and over the head of the average voter.

Most of the claims involving Romney’s tax shenanigans cannot be distilled into a 25-word Hollywood pitch with a copy of a return with a big red circle around it.

This one could stick but unless there’s a headline “Romney paid 2% in taxes in 2009!”, it is very hard to explain what is often arcane or technical language.

“Romney’s foreign income was high based on his foreign tax credit carry-forwards”

Not really going to fly.

And if you over-simplify it, Romney replies that it’s handled by his accountants and he doesn’t understand it either.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
11:36 am

Ya`ll need to come on out to night. The masters a falling like flies.
It might be your last chance for BB.
This clip has Jeff Beck and Albert Collins with BB.
When I moved to Chicago in 1986 my work buddy would come in and say, We HAVE to go out tonight.
I would say, why?
He would say, to see Albert Collins.
Who is Albert Collins, says I?

His answer was always, “You won`t ask me THAT in the morning”.

We lived at Buddys club.

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2012
11:37 am

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
11:40 am

skydog, where is the gig tonight? (Again, for us slow learners!)

skydog

August 26th, 2012
11:41 am

Good one Sooth.

skydog

August 26th, 2012
11:42 am

Chastain Park

skydog

August 26th, 2012
11:43 am

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
11:46 am

Unfortunately I have such a sick, twisted sense of humor:

Every outbreak has a patient zero.

Porn actor Mr. Marcus has come out and identified himself as the performer responsible for the current syphilis outbreak that has shut down production in the San Fernando Valley.

“I tried to cover it up… Because I said it was like the scarlet letter. It’s the word. Syphilis, whoa,” Marcus said to XBiz. “Mr. Marcus, syphilis? Mr. Marcus, the one I worked with? The one that everybody works with? The one that’s been in this industry forever?”

As many as nine syphilis cases have been identified among porn performers, and more are expected, according to the Associated Press. Marcus said that the three women he performed with after his diagnosis have all tested negative for syphilis.

The porn moratorium comes days after the California Department of Public Health released a report finding that syphilis cases in the Golden State have jumped by 18 percent from 2010 to 2011.

Whats so funny about this you may ask? Well, THIS for one….:

Los Angeles County officials have approved a ballot initiative that will ask voters to decide whether porn actors should be required to wear condoms in sex scenes

OMG!! I’d LOVE to hear the debates about this ^^ in the local townhalls! Imagine, mom and pop debating on whether porn actors should wear condons right alongside deciding on whether to fund the yearly City wide picnic!!

In honor of the “Great Porn Moratorium of 2012″ — I’ll be adding Mr. Marcus to my various aliases!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 26th, 2012
11:51 am

Well, the Rev. Postlewaite done his best this a.m., but one thing’s for sure: he ain’t no Rev. Jim Bob Buice. But at least I got a good nap and a clean soul out of the services. I just wish the Rev. Jim Bob had stayed clear of that nekkid kid. Now he can’t preach anyplace where there’s kids, and people that go to church won’t leave their kids at home, so there’s not much hope of seeing him back in the saddle.

Anyhow, it’s a bummer we won’t have no Republican National Convention to watch tomorrow night. That means a whole bunch of speeches by a whole bunch of blowhards up and coming politicans will be scrubbed. But at least we’ll get to hear that NJ guvner Tuesday night. I want to see that platform dip and the cameras kinda shake when he steps up to the podium. I wonder if they charge him extra to fly on a airplane, like they charge you extra if your baggage weighs too much.

It’s Ryans and the missus for dinner. I thought I’d throw that in here just as a kind of warning to the rest of you to stay clear if you value your hands.

Have a good Sabbath everybody.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
12:26 pm

Minnesota State coach arrested on child porn charges

I can honestly say that I didn’t know there was a real Minnesota State football team

BADAss BING

August 26th, 2012
12:31 pm

I was married on 7/20/69. They landed on the moon during my wedding ceremony. Later that night my new bride and I watched as he walked on the moon. Whenever people asked me about getting married, I kidded that I always told her” I’ll get married when someone goes to the moon”. Well, I had no excuse anymore. Best thing I ever did.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
12:37 pm

Seen on a blog……:

Q: What do (South Carolina) Gamecock fans do after winning an SEC football Championship?

A: They turn off they Play Station and go to bed.

=====================
I can take that and use it in so many ways…..for instance:

Q: What do republicans do after successfully getting Obama to abdicate because his “real birth certificate” was found in Kenya?

A: They turn over and go back to sleep — it was all a dream.

or

Q: What can the Romney’s do the better their chances of winning over a general populace in order to secure the Presidency?

A: They give each eligible voter 1/10th of what’s in their Cayman Island accounts.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
12:51 pm

“Los Angeles County officials have approved a ballot initiative that will ask voters to decide whether porn actors should be required to wear condoms in sex scenes.”

Liberalism at its vilest. This is what our Founding Fathers and many thereafter risked and gave their lives for – an obviously twisted construction of the phrase “free speech” so that it includes disrobing in public. Thanks, ACLU and SCOTUS. Gotta love that “living” document, the Constitution – where “free speech” can mean “free exhibitionism”.

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
12:53 pm

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
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Don’t think they have condoms im 1776.

Mick

August 26th, 2012
12:54 pm

Well now, bruno is over at kyle’s? Another refugee landing on the island of misfit bloggers? What a crew…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4mXSacbl9E

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
12:58 pm

In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers “share a kind of political and cultural progressivism” that “virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.” Brisbane even argued that Times reporters approached some liberal issues, like gay marriage and the Occupy movement, “more like causes than news subjects.”

“Keywords: final column. Don’t suppose he’s a mite upset they didn’t want his services for an optional 3rd year…..? tip: Not the best source of info, someone who’s just been let go from a job.”

You have to love it when people cling to a belief and rationalize it any way they can, even when clear evidence emerges that invalidates the belief. It’s called “saving the theory”. Very predictable.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
12:58 pm

As seen on a blog [Paraphrased for politics]:

At the repuglican die-hards still supporting “Party of No” Congress who campaigned on jobs,Jobs,JOBS! and yet haven’t enacted one “Jobs” legislation.

Denial support progression:
- 1. “No way they do that.“
- 2. “Prove it.”
- 3. “It’s a misunderstanding. They couldn’t have.”
- 4. “Yeah, but other people were at fault too. So let’s not just focus on the repug congress.”
- 5. “This national news report is clearly a conspiracy against the republican party.”

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
1:00 pm

“Don’t think they have condoms in 1776.”

I think you’re right, but I meant (as well you knew) pornographic exhibitions. You see, they still were under the illusion that “speech” mean speech.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
1:04 pm

You see, they still were under the illusion that “speech” mean speech.

The Robert’s court — $ = free speech.

Too funny!

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
1:05 pm

Crier: Liberalism at its vilest. This is what our Founding Fathers and many thereafter risked and gave their lives for – an obviously twisted construction of the phrase “free speech” so that it includes disrobing in public. ………– where “free speech” can mean “free exhibitionism

Crier – pardon me for being ummmmmmmmm……..blunt…….but do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Please don’t be angry, but the part of the article i quoted had nothing at all to do with people disrobing in public. Unless you were reading the article with your super, duper, extra loopier, reading glasses on – i just can’t see where you’ve gotten that interpretation from.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
1:06 pm

Madge -

They campaigned on the NO jobs platform – they mouthed the NO part so they can claim that they said it WE just didn’t hear that part.

:-)

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
1:09 pm

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
1:00 pm

______

I agree with you there. In 1979, freedom of speech meant the free discussion of ideas. Nothing else.

Oscar

August 26th, 2012
1:10 pm

In meant 1789.

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
1:11 pm

Oh o.k. got it Common! It was just MY FAULT that i didn’t see where they were mouthing the “No”.

Dangit!!

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
1:17 pm

Here’s another for the road – As seen on the web [paraphrased for politics]:

Republican Party, USA:

No Bid Contracts, No viable way to pay for 2 wars, No “exist strategy” from said wars = No one says a word;

Obama wants to save the Auto Industry = all Hell breaks loose.

Jeb Bush: It's Time For Obama 'To Move On' From Blaming George W. Bush

August 26th, 2012
1:19 pm

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) said Sunday that it’s time for President Barack Obama to stop blaming his brother, former President George W. Bush, for the country’s economic troubles and accept responsibility.
“I think it is time for him to move on,” he told host David Gregory on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I mean — look, the guy was dealt a difficult hand, no question about it. But he’s had three years. His policies have failed, and rather than blame others — which I know we were taught that that was kind of unbecoming over time — you just can’t keep doing that. Maybe offer some fresh new solutions to the problems that we face.”
Bush added he doesn’t expect that to “happen between now and election day.”
He later talked about his family’s legacy in the Republican Party, including both his father George H.W. Bush and brother’s presidencies and his own time as governor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/26/jeb-bush-obama-george-bush_n_1831419.html?1345998366

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
1:20 pm

“Please don’t be angry, but the part of the article i quoted had nothing at all to do with people disrobing in public. Unless you were reading the article with your super, duper, extra loopier, reading glasses on – i just can’t see where you’ve gotten that interpretation from.”

It was a simple extrapolation. Porn stars are, in fact, disrobing in public – albeit for a limited (adult) public. Please provide all of us with a compelling argument from historical documents that such behavior was envisioned by those who drafted and ratified the Constitution when they incorporated the phrase “free speech”. I’ll be waiting…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
1:20 pm

Nothing new here folks …………. keep moving along:

“The executive editor of the New York Times is disputing an accusation of liberal bias made by her very own public editor, Arthur Brisbane”. (Of course she would)

In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers “share a kind of political and cultural progressivism” that “virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.” Brisbane even argued that Times reporters approached some liberal issues, like gay marriage and the Occupy movement, “more like causes than news subjects.”

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
1:21 pm

that should be “exit” however “exist” does have a ring to it…

also honorable mention goes out to “Not caring wher Bin Laden is or how to stop him” — Not one republican outcry.

Obama orders BinLaden assasination – Republicans claim he’s spiking the ball and taking the credit away from the Navy Seals.

Repuglicanism — Is it a political theory, or a dreaded mutating disease that creates zombies?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
1:22 pm

Madge

Yep, I am glad you are taking personal responsibility for missing it :-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
1:24 pm

Good move !!

“Crime-ridden Camden, New Jersey – often referred to as the most dangerous city in the United States—is getting rid of its police department.

In the latest example of a cash-strapped municipality taking drastic measures to deal with swollen public sector liabilities and shrinking budgets, the city plans to disband its 460-member police department and replace it with a non-union “Metro Division” of the Camden County Police. Backers of the plan say it will save millions of dollars for taxpayers while ensuring public safety, but police unions say it is simply a way to get out of collective bargaining with the men and women in blue.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/24/camden-nj-to-reboot-police-department-by-new-year/#ixzz24fqpYlU4

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
1:25 pm

At the repuglican die-hards still supporting “Party of No” Congress who campaigned on jobs,Jobs,JOBS! and yet haven’t enacted one “Jobs” legislation.

Mitch McConnell was very clear when he said, “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.”

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
1:28 pm

It was a simple extrapolation.

From where? Left field?

Porn stars are, in fact, disrobing in public – albeit for a limited (adult) public.

WTF? They’re on a MOVIE set!! Did you have this same stance when John Wayne took off his shirt in Rio Lobo? Did you go batty then too?

Please provide all of us with a compelling argument from historical documents that such behavior was envisioned by those who drafted and ratified the Constitution when they incorporated the phrase “free speech”.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? Are you insane? What have you been drinking today?

O.k. i think i see the problem now. Are you feeling a little light headed? Are your eyes watering and your breath is coming out short? I think I know what’s happening. Please open all of your windows and immediately go outside into the fresh air. You have a gas leak.

I’ll be waiting…

Not to worry — I’ll have the men in those nice white suits there for you when you make it outside.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
1:29 pm

Yep

It’s always a good idea to reduce the police presence in a crime ridden area.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
1:30 pm

“Obama orders Bin Laden assasination…”

Well, I give him credit for that. First, because it was very surprising to me given his position regarding those being held in Guantamano Bay – that they deserved due process. He basically decided to execute Bin Laden without a trial. Secondly, it was not small matter to invade the space of a sovereign nation to accomplish the mission – especially one as big as Pakistan. Thirdly, thanks for acknowledging that he ordered the hit, not actually carried it out.

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
1:30 pm

Crier,

I think that you are just the man to bring back Ronnie and Eddie Meese’s puritanical War on Pornography.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
1:31 pm

Madge

Not to worry — I’ll have the men in those nice white suits there for you when you make it outside.
————————————————————————–

AND they are bringing a jacket with extra LONG sleeves to keep ‘em warm

:-)

Madge From Accounting

August 26th, 2012
1:32 pm

OK after dealing with Towncrier – I’ve got to leave for a minute — I think my I.Q. just went down 10 points.

Later fellows.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
1:34 pm

“Mitch McConnell was very clear when he said, “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.””

Yes, this priority after a collapse proves the deserve to lose.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
1:35 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
1:40 pm

getalife

The latest computer models have Isaac heading your way.

Batten down them hatches.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
1:46 pm

When are we going to have a hurricane “Ishmael” ?

getalife

August 26th, 2012
1:47 pm

Thanks Kam,

Take a right turn Isaac.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
1:49 pm

“From where? Left field?”

Madge, has it ever occurred to you that you should probably stick to accounting?

“WTF? They’re on a MOVIE set!! Did you have this same stance when John Wayne took off his shirt in Rio Lobo? Did you go batty then too?”

Because you are an accountant, you probably have never heard a phrase like “the reading PUBLIC” (that pertains a book or article written written in private but read at large). Nor do you understand that doing something publicly does not necessarily mean you are in the same place or time as your audience. That’s why you probably imagine that if I, all alone in my office, posted something like “the president must be killed” on my Facebook page, I should and would encounter no restrictions on that exercise of “free speech.”

My point (which I suspect everyone but you gets) is this: pornography should NOT be protected from laws that prohibit it because it is NOT speech and therefore NOT protected by the Constitution.

“WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? Are you insane? What have you been drinking today? ”

Wow. So this is an example of a liberal being so off kilter in her thinking that she is unable to comprehend the gist of a conservative’s post (where everyone else can – you know, put two and two together). It is SO far from such a one’s comprehension that maybe, just maybe, pornography is NOT a good thing and is NOT really “speech” that she utterly cannot fathom an argument against it.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
1:50 pm

Mick

Stay safe my friend. Issac seems to be building.

Jay

August 26th, 2012
1:51 pm

A fascinating, troubling story of high-level diplomatic and military intrigue, backstabbing, military adventurism, romance, etc., at http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/sunk/2012/08/21/96209788-cebd-11e1-aa14-708bac2c7ee9_story.html?hpid=z2

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
1:52 pm

Jay:

Is that about Prince Harry ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
1:53 pm

I think that talk-radio is obscene, but I’m not being a towncrybaby about it.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
1:59 pm

“I think that you are just the man to bring back Ronnie and Eddie Meese’s puritanical War on Pornography.”

Well, I understand why you theoretically shouldn’t have any absolute morals, JamVet – you’re an atheist. What I don’t understand is why you actually seem to. You are so full of judgement of others that it’s amusing given the fact that, in the end, everything is inconsequential in a godless world. You will return to dust in just a relatively short time and in 100 years nothing you have said or done will be remembered by anyone else. Indeed, the world may not last another 100 years and all of mankind may be annihilated. Then (if you are right), we will have been like idiots strutting about on a stage, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. But, hey, go ahead and watch Debbie Does Dallas for the thousandth time.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
2:00 pm

“I think that talk-radio is obscene, but I’m not being a towncrybaby about it.”

Ouch! Man, you are witty, Thug.

Mick

August 26th, 2012
2:03 pm

common

So far pretty much still a rain event, winds have not been excessive…

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
2:03 pm

“A fascinating, troubling story of high-level diplomatic and military intrigue, backstabbing, military adventurism, romance, etc., at ”

Maybe you should apply for Brisbane’s old position, Jay. You might be a good fit and NY is not nearly as conservative as GA. Beat that liberal drum.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
2:06 pm

“OK after dealing with Towncrier – I’ve got to leave for a minute — I think my I.Q. just went down 10 points.”

If that is true, all I can say is “yikes”!

Jay

August 26th, 2012
2:22 pm

Crier, what on earth makes you read any of that as political or ideological, besides your own fixation?

Mick

August 26th, 2012
2:28 pm

Ms. todd sure had some great ability to keep landing on her feet in all those high powered jobs! Still, I remember the times and thought we might provoke iran, the invisible hands of dick cheney loom large – he wanted it bad…W to his credit had enough…

Jay

August 26th, 2012
2:30 pm

And one last warning: cease the personal attacks.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
2:33 pm

“2016″

“Box Office Report: Anti-Obama Doc Beats New Films With $6.3 Mil on Eve of GOP Convention”

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/box-office-report-anti-obama-doc-beats-films-161221160.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbqMGtvQD0

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
2:35 pm

Did JamVet get pulled ?

Mick

August 26th, 2012
2:36 pm

0311

Yeah… but how did it do compared to batman? It’s just chum for the piranha, I’m happy for you all. The debates will settle it once and for all…imho

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
2:38 pm

LOME, Togo (AP) — “The female wing of a civil rights group is urging women in Togo to stage a week-long sex strike to demand the resignation of the country’s president.”

Hope this doesn’t catch on here !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
2:39 pm

Mick:

I keep saying …………….. debate and lay off the personal attacks against other posters. Some people never learn.

Mick

August 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

0311

I over E…….Intelligence over Emotion….easier said than done but always the correct choice-

Erwin's cat

August 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

RIP Niel…I was 8, remember it like yesterday…Dad made me watch it…Thanks Dad

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
2:44 pm

No, numerologist.

Your worst rabbit hole plugging nightmare is still here.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
2:45 pm

some incredibly stupid broad-brush swipes TD took at black men the other day

Melanin envy tends to manifest itself in strange and unusual ways at times.

Just sayin’

getalife

August 26th, 2012
2:46 pm

I am pretty sure the same people that wanted to provoke Iran will get their way if romney wins.

He already said he is open to troops being killed and bogged down in another civil war in Syria on the credit card.

romney is another w disaster waiting to happen.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
2:54 pm

“Crier, what on earth makes you read any of that as political or ideological, besides your own fixation?”

First off, thanks for that tacit acknowledgement that the NYT does have and has had a liberal bias – a seemingly obvious fact not readily acknowledged by liberals. And I will acknowledge that almost all journalists these days have and display bias – on the right or left.

Secondly, in answer to your question, the article to which you linked appears in the Washington Post (comparable, in many people’s mind – which I suspect you know, to the NYT in terms of its liberal bias). On the first page alone these two phrases are used: “neoconservative hawks” and “right-wing”. I hope you don’t intend on arguing that those are value-neutral terms used by everyone (and not just liberals).

Thirdly, while Jeff Stein does some good investigative work, it seems to me that he does not always conceal his political leanings (as he should). And that is the kind of “journalism” I think Brisbane was alluding to – not out and out lies, but a slanted presentation.

Lastly, I said what I said more tongue-in-cheek than anything (because I suspect that nary a liberal is going to address the “inconvenient truth” revealed by Brisbane and I am trying my darndest to get someone to). For the record, I do not at all mind the NYT being biased (since I really think we are all of us biased to some extent). But I very much mind the pretense it is not.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
2:58 pm

crier,

New York City is liberal.

New to politics?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
2:58 pm

“liberal bias” blah, blah, blah, “liberal bias” blah, blah, blah…

Repetitious spam.

Jay

August 26th, 2012
2:59 pm

There was no acknowlegement, tacit or otherwise, about anything regarding the NYT in my message, Crier. You are getting downright ridiculous, so I’ll choose to end it right here.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
3:09 pm

“In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers “share a kind of political and cultural progressivism” that “virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.” Brisbane even argued that Times reporters approached some liberal issues, like gay marriage and the Occupy movement, “more like causes than news subjects.”

Brisbane’s statement is either true or it is not. And it is okay if it is true and the NYT and liberals acknowledge they have a liberal bias. It is not okay if it is true and they claim they don not. For that goes beyond having a bias to actually lying.

Is any liberal here going to touch this with a ten foot pole?

getalife

August 26th, 2012
3:22 pm

I think murdoch’s rags and the washington times have a conservative bias but I don’t fixate on them.

DannyX

August 26th, 2012
3:27 pm

Great posts Towncrier! Liberals seem to have a huge mental block when it comes to the liberal media.

Just now some information is coming to light that exposes the vast liberal media conspiracy. It seems the liberal media and the liberal science community have joined forces yet again. Meteorologists have known for the last week that hurricane Isaac was headed for Louisiana, NOT, Tampa. Meteorologists purposely said the hurricane was going to impact Tampa in order to disrupt the Republican Convention. The liberal media was happy to go along with this lie because they desperately want to see Obama re-elected. The liberal media repeated this lie over and over again in headlines and weather sections across the country. Hurricane Isaac hitting Tampa was a total con. Look what happened, Republicans were forced to cancel a big part of their convention.

It’s a conspiracy!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
3:29 pm

Whining about liberal media bias is a learned behavior of victim-hood programmed over the period of a generation by talk-radio.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

For brother AmVet

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10766-a-road-less-traveled-presidential-candidate-rocky-anderson-speaks-candidly-on-the-crumbling-state-of-the-union

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
3:32 pm

Towncrier,

I think that most people who keep in touch with what’s being reported in the country and around the world know that a liberal bias does indeed exist in the media. It doesn’t really require an admission from Brisbane or a denial from anyone. It is what it is and it has been that way for a long time.

Marco

August 26th, 2012
3:34 pm

I was 9 yrs. old and camping at Lake Welch, NY w/ my family. I remember there was 1 of those huge outhouses public campgrounds had in those days; it had electricity. Someone ran an extension cord & plugged in a small B& W tv and set it in 1 of the windows by the sinks. must’ve been 100 of us campers watching that tv outside that night. It was like 11 pm I think.We could see the moon clearly both on tv and in the sky. An awesome childhood memory. RIP Neil.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
3:41 pm

“I think that most people who keep in touch with what’s being reported in the country and around the world know that a liberal bias does indeed exist in the media. It doesn’t really require an admission from Brisbane or a denial from anyone. It is what it is and it has been that way for a long time.”

Getting liberals to admit that purportedly “objective” mainstays of the mainstream media like the NYT is liking pulling teeth. But it is something I feel must be done before conservatives and liberals can have an honest debate about things and actually solve problems. I have no problem with someone holding different views from me and arguing for those positions passionately (as I do for my positions). I have a problem with sneakiness and dishonesty from anyone. It has SO frequently been denied on this blog that the mainstream media has a liberal bias that I want to rub the liberals faces in Brisbane’s statement until they acknowledge it – until they “get real” (as it were).

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
3:47 pm

Anybody who spends their time looking for media bias instead of facts should worry more about how they are being swayed as opposed to who’s doing the swaying. Regardless to what kind of perceived bias there is in our media, facts have no bias, and our media is pretty much corporate owned institutions who have a vested interest in the political dialogue that goes far and beyond simply reporting factual and unbiased news.

Anybody looking for unbiased news is on a fool’s errand.

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
3:49 pm

Thanks, Kam!

Making up more untrue stuff about people, are we, crier?

What would Jesus say about that?!

Still high from last night’s show!

(I always loved the bass in this gem…)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMAo0m4E4Lc

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
3:55 pm

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
3:56 pm

Towncrier,

The lefts almost psychotic hatred for Fox News in essence is their own admission of left wing media bias. Even though Fox does present differing political viewpoints in their reporting and have on staff as well as independent advisers left leaning personalities, Fox’s existence still enrages leftists. It says that they can’t tolerate any news organization that doesn’t slant reporting mostly to the left.

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
4:02 pm

Yeah, Bro Kam.

In that stellar catalog of theirs, I had forgotten about that one.

A killer song.

Maybe, I’m just getting older and more sentimental, but brother, the vibe from the crowd last night was a knockout!

And a nice breezy evening outdoors didn’t hurt any at all.

On this one, the lead singer just let the crowd sing a bunch of the lyrics.

Big fun…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjiBLo-qKZw

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:04 pm

“Anybody who spends their time looking for media bias instead of facts should worry more about how they are being swayed as opposed to who’s doing the swaying.”

Please explain how quoting the outgoing managing editor of the NYT is “looking for media bias” (as you put it). I don’t have to look for it, for as I have said in other posts (even today on this very page), I believe some amount of bias is unavoidable for any of us. How does your post address the MAIN point of my post – namely that people deny there is a bias?

“Regardless to what kind of perceived bias there is in our media, facts have no bias, and our media is pretty much corporate owned institutions who have a vested interest in the political dialogue that goes far and beyond simply reporting factual and unbiased news.”

“Facts” are couched in propositions and therein lies the problem (once someone begins introducing certain value-laden modifiers) as follows:

1) John is a man.
2) John is a right-winger (instead of a conservative or a man who holds conservative beliefs)
3) John is a left-winger (instead of a liberal or a man who holds liberal beliefs)

“Anybody looking for unbiased news is on a fool’s errand.”

Agreed. But anybody who denies the bias exists? You failed to address that point.

You libs

August 26th, 2012
4:06 pm

Kam @ 3:29 “Whining about liberal media bias is a learned behavior of victim-hood programmed over the period of a generation by talk-radio.”

So true.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:08 pm

“The lefts almost psychotic hatred for Fox News in essence is their own admission of left wing media bias. Even though Fox does present differing political viewpoints in their reporting and have on staff as well as independent advisers left leaning personalities, Fox’s existence still enrages leftists. It says that they can’t tolerate any news organization that doesn’t slant reporting mostly to the left.”

I think there is some truth to what you say, Recon. But I don’t think, its claim to be “fair and balanced” to the contrary, that the FNC does lean right on balance. I want to be honest about that, like I am asking liberals to be honest about media such as the NYT. I admit the WSJ leans right on balance because I think the evidence show it does.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
4:09 pm

Lets post from the Times like they do with drudegy”

“Too Late to Shake That Etch A Sketch”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/too-late-to-shake-that-etch-a-sketch.html?_r=1&hp

getalife

August 26th, 2012
4:12 pm

“U.S. Foreign Arms Sales Reach $66.3 Billion in 2011″:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreign-arms-sales-reach-66-3-billion-in-2011.html?hp

The mic made enough money. Cut it.

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
4:14 pm

Towncrier,

On balance Fox news does lean right, however, part of my point was that you do hear the other sides story as well. From my perspective it’s infrequent that you’ll get any kind of balanced reporting in the MSM or from network news on television.

Mick

August 26th, 2012
4:16 pm

Bias in the news? Chip on the shoulder? Liberals, it’s the lazy cons blame card for all ills real and imagined….

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:16 pm

“Lets post from the Times like they do with drudegy”

Gal, you have actually hit on one way in which bias reveals itself – headlines. Another way, of course, is what matter is actually being “reported” upon (out of the millions of events that occur daily in the world). A third way is what evidence or supporting “facts” are included or ignored. A third way is the use of value laden modifiers like “right-wing” and “left-wing”.

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
4:17 pm

Y’all have an enjoyable Sunday afternoon. I’m out

getalife

August 26th, 2012
4:18 pm

Everything that murdoch owns is rw propaganda.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
4:20 pm

Then you have corporate media giving the gop a free pass.

Stop crying crier.

DannyX

August 26th, 2012
4:20 pm

Everyone has their biases. If you think the NY Times is biased, don’t read it. If you think the Wall St Journal is biased, don’t read it. Don’t like MSNBC? Fox News? ABC News? Don’t watch. Huff Post or Drudge. Today’s media is not your father’s media.

Last I checked we still have a free press. Conservatives have no entitlement to the NY Times. What ever happened to free market? Is the AJC too liberal for you? Start your own paper, supply and demand right?

The Fox television network declined to run an evening news program like their counterparts at CBS, ABC and NBC do. The Fox Network has the huge Fox News infrastructure they could benefit from. Murdoch declined, why??? Conservatives like to whine about the “liberal media” just like their tired “liberal activist judge” whine. Conservatives love playing the victim.

If conservatives want their own media go for it, stop whining about it. Get Bain Capital to start up a conservative media enterprise. Put your beloved money where your whiny mouths are.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:22 pm

“On balance Fox news does lean right, however, part of my point was that you do hear the other sides story as well.”

Well I think the best point was the observation that liberals often get very angry about the FNC because a DIFFERENT story is being told then the one they want to be told. And tellingly they demean it as not being objective when, in fact, they are fine with the liberal bias of the mainstream media but cannot tolerate another source of news upsetting the proverbial apple cart. It occurs to me now that perhaps the biggest single cause of partisanship we now see in America is that there is no longer a monolithic media presenting the same “reality” as before.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
4:22 pm

I didn’t accuse you of looking for bias. However, if you want me to, I can include you in that group. Your continued insistence on some “liberal” to acknowledge something that they may or may not agree with is nothing more than an answer looking for a problem.

If there is a liberal bias in media, what bearing does it have on anything? For every liberal outlet there is a polar opposite conservative outlet. It’s more likely that conservative outlets outnumber liberal ones when you considered ALL forms of media as there is very little talk radio of significance that leans left.

I personally don’t give a rat’s ass about bias. I know how to think for myself, and I am more than capable of gleaning facts from reports to help me determine what I think is the actual truth.

As to people who can’t/won’t/don’t acknowledge bias, how many drunk drivers find police officers to acknowledge they are drunk? In other words, why would a biased person want to acknowledge their own bias?

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:25 pm

“If conservatives want their own media go for it, stop whining about it. ”

I am not whining about the NYT – show where I was. I am challenging liberals to STOP pretending that the mainstream media is not biased. That’s all. Thanks for YOUR admission.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
4:26 pm

crier is biased but cries about others being biased.

That my friends is a common con hypocrisy argument so don’t let the hypocrite hijack the thread about a great American hero’s death.

DannyX

August 26th, 2012
4:29 pm

“I am challenging liberals to STOP pretending that the mainstream media is not biased.”

Your whole point is a big whine. Don’t like the NY Times, don’t read it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
4:39 pm

I am not whining about the NYT – show where I was.

Almost everything you have posted on this thread, beginning at 2:32 this morning has been nonstop whining about the liberal media or liberal interpretation of the freedom of speech.

What you haven’t done is make one single solitary on-topic comment.

Your presence here on this thread is to post non-stop off topic spam to hijack the conversation.

DannyX

August 26th, 2012
4:40 pm

“mainstream media”

The tired mainstream media whine needs to be put to rest. Newspapers all over the country have lost a big chunk of their circulations. Evening news shows have seen huge drops in their ratings. Not because people are tired of the “liberal mainstream media.”

The internet has changed everything, I don’t even have cable or satellite anymore. I get my news from the internet. I have about a million choices. There is something for everyone on the internet.

Why is it that conservatives are always at least 20 years behind the times?

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:40 pm

“I didn’t accuse you of looking for bias.”

Then why talk about people looking for bias? Why go off point?

“However, if you want me to, I can include you in that group.”

And that statement accomplishes what, exactly?

“Your continued insistence on some “liberal” to acknowledge something that they may or may not agree with is nothing more than an answer looking for a problem.”

In you limited opinion. I can produce plenty of posts wherein I acknowledge a number of things other (more zealous) conservative may not. I can also produce plenty of posts by liberals belittling conservative media while denying a liberal bias in mainstream media.

“If there is a liberal bias in media, what bearing does it have on anything?”

Are you serious? It means we have to exercise a great deal of scrutiny and judgement just to try to get at the truth. That’s a good thing? It has no bearing on life when people don’t exercise scrutiny and judgement?

“For every liberal outlet there is a polar opposite conservative outlet. It’s more likely that conservative outlets outnumber liberal ones when you considered ALL forms of media as there is very little talk radio of significance that leans left.”

Why state the obvious? It almost seems you think I am attacking the NYT (which I am not). It is also true that this was NOT the situation 20 years or so ago. The “media” was much more monolithic and, if biased, more dangerous then.

“I personally don’t give a rat’s ass about bias. I know how to think for myself, and I am more than capable of gleaning facts from reports to help me determine what I think is the actual truth.”

Good for you. You are college educated, smart, well read and so on. How does that apply to Joe Plumber (who might be less circumspect)?

“In other words, why would a biased person want to acknowledge their own bias?”

No one naturally want to admit their failings or wrongdoing. But we all have them and it gets easier after awhile. The main reason they should want to do so is because humility in admitting wrongs and honesty about what you think and feel is the basis for relationships. And, really, America is one big extended family with now a whole LOT of problems. Again, it is okay to be biased. It is not okay to pretend you are not – it is counterproductive and destructive to relationships.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
4:48 pm

jindal’s press conference on the hurricane is hard to understand because he talks way too fast and way too long. Voluntary evacuations and took the same path as Katrina but cat 2 hurricane.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:51 pm

“Almost everything you have posted on this thread, beginning at 2:32 this morning has been nonstop whining about the liberal media or liberal interpretation of the freedom of speech.”

I have not been whining, I have been harping a confession made by the outgoing managing editor of the NYT about its liberal bias because I know full well that had I not done so, not a peep would have been said about it on this blog (despite all of the previous denials by posters here I have read of liberal bias and their antipathy and loathing for conservative news sources). I am, in a sense, trying to rub everyone’s face in it so they will no longer PRETEND organizations like the NYT are not biased. I do NOT pretend the FNC or Drudge is objective. I am just looking for people to be honest about this. THAT IS ALL. And I see a number of posters now are.

“What you haven’t done is make one single solitary on-topic comment.”

This from the guy who told me I cannot dictate what he posts on this blog?

“Your presence here on this thread is to post non-stop off topic spam to hijack the conversation.”

I don’t often beat a drum like this. See my first comment.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
4:53 pm

And still no on topic post.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
4:57 pm

“Your whole point is a big whine. Don’t like the NY Times, don’t read it”

No, your response is a whine. I regularly read articles from the Huffington Post, New Republic and so on. Why then would I not be willing to read a NYT article? Don’t confuse the passion behind what someone says with whining necessarily – it doesn’t reflect well upon one.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
4:58 pm

Then why talk about people looking for bias? Why go off point?

Well, considering people were waxing nostalgic on the space program on this thread, you should not be the poster asking that particular question.

It means we have to exercise a great deal of scrutiny and judgement just to try to get at the truth.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
5:00 pm

“And still no on topic post.”

In the words of a well-known poster: “You don’t get to dictate how or what I post, sport.”

You libs

August 26th, 2012
5:05 pm

towncrier

Do you really not understand that FoxNews is the defacto propaganda arm of the Republican party?

Really?

Just wow.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
5:05 pm

Armstrong said the moon walk was “just a job” .

Do you agree crier?

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
5:08 pm

“Do you really not understand that FoxNews is the defacto propaganda arm of the Republican party?”

I wouldn’t put it that way (nor would I say the opposite of MSNBC), but I have readily admitted that the FNC has a conservative bias. Please show where I have said otherwise.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
5:11 pm

It means we have to exercise a great deal of scrutiny and judgement just to try to get at the truth.

You should do that regardless to whether you smell bias or not. When most of our media outlets are controlled by so few, why would you trust them anyway?

You are college educated, smart, well read and so on. How does that apply to Joe Plumber (who might be less circumspect)?

I don’t think it matters. Distrust doesn’t come based on education. It’s all about personal experiences, history, and perceptions. Education isn’t what sowed the seeds of distrust in me. That came based on what I observed and what I learned from studying history.

Producer

August 26th, 2012
5:13 pm

The success of the Apollo program can be liked to a championship prize fight. The early rounds went to the Reds, they had the first satellite, the first man and, even the first woman, 1963 versus 1983 for our Sally Ride. They had the first space-walk and then our space program goes on a year and half standing eight count following the Apollo 1 fire. We were battered and bloody. Then came the rib-busting body blow by Apollo 8, who circled the moon in 1968. The Russians never, ever recovered and Neil’s flight in 1969 dealt the staggering knockout to their entire space program. They were down for the count, never again to contend or compete. This was the first public bloodying and humiliating defeat of the Soviets and was a significant event in the coming of the end of the Cold War. A short twenty years later they disintegrated! The first real weakening occurred in the Space Race. So, thank you Neil, not only for personifying American greatness but helping push the Soviets into the dust bin of history.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
5:13 pm

I wonder what Murdoch did to Ted Turner or Turner did to Rupert Murdoch to make them hate each other so much. Does anyone know?

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
5:17 pm

“The success of the Apollo program can be liked to a championship prize fight.”

Given where we now know we were in terms of technological advances, it was a very, very remarkable technical achievement.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
5:18 pm

Fred,

I listen to to Ted’s interviews and he hates yellow journalism.

He wanted news without bias.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
5:22 pm

Now, before I leave, here is my “on topic” post for the day:

I consider myself blessed to have had, as a young child, the opportunity to have actually sat in one of the Apollo space capsules at the World’s Fair in Montreal. I don’t remember a lot about that experience, but I definitely recall there being a lot of switches. Neil and all of the other astronauts had tremendous courage to ride into space in such cramped quarters with the very real possibility of never returning.

josef

August 26th, 2012
5:32 pm

It would help if those arguing about bias knew the meaning of the word. Since when is a bias necessarily a negative thing? It’s a neutral term meaning a slant. You know, like cut on the bias? Of course the NYT has a liberal bias. So does the AJC. The Wall Street Journal has a conservative bias. You know that when you go there. And if you can find me a news source that doesn’t have a bias, let me know. Even if you can get to fair and balanced or neutral, that’s still a bias.

OTHERWISE
How the hell is everybody and who is Big Daddy threatening with banishment to the lower 40 today. The boy’s been on the rag of late…oh, well, at least he’s paying some attention to his chirren and we aren’t playing unsupervised…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
5:39 pm

josef:

You may have missed this earlier.

When are we going to name a hurrican “Ishmael” ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
5:40 pm

How the hell is everybody…

I’m just f*ckin’ fine.

How the hell are you?

josef

August 26th, 2012
5:43 pm

WHOSE NAME FOR HIMSELF I MAY NOT USE

I know what you’re aiming for there, but the name Ishmael is not limited to the Islamic world. It’s a fairly common given name in the Latino world, so it could happen. My question is when are we going to name one Jesus or Mohammad! :-)

K’CHAK

Full of piss and vinagre. Had a productive weekend!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
5:44 pm

Kammy:

Lighten up ! Back in a couple of hours ……………….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 26th, 2012
5:45 pm

Just trying to be fair !

You mean “Joshua” ……………….. ??

Back later ……………………….

josef

August 26th, 2012
5:46 pm

Have we had a Moses or Abraham yet?

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
5:47 pm

yo Josef. Other than the fact I’m currently “purging my system” for a colonoscopy and haven’t eaten for two days, I’m just peachy forking keen.

And how’s tricks for you?

As to who or what Jay’s OTR about I don’t know. He gave someone (or maybe everyone) a last warning for personal attacks, but I didn’t go back to see who was stepping out. All I know is it was me or you lol cause we weren’t here.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
5:50 pm

I will only be offended if they name a hurricane Cthulhu

josef

August 26th, 2012
5:50 pm

FRED

He says it’s okay to do it to public figures…does that include him? :-)

That stuff is awful! I’d rather eat nettles…

********

Scriptural names for hurricanes? Yael and Lillith come to mind!

pogo

August 26th, 2012
5:53 pm

The New York Times world is about to come crashing in on them. Same with the AJC and the WP and the LT’s. Dowds article in the times was hilarious. Her desperation and frustration was palpable in the piece. She, like so many elitist rich liberals cannot fathom the thought that the average everyday Joe does not subscribe to their ideology. Kind of like Jay and Luckovich. And to liberals, any news organization that does not carry the flame for the liberal/progressive cause is considered “right wing”. Using the liberals logic, if, in some never-never land we had a news organization that was completely unbiased, they would consider them “right wing” because they did not further the leftist cause in their reporting. As josef said, that is the world we live in. What it all boils down to is you can’t trust any of them and you will have to make up your own mind. And most of America already has at this point.

josef

August 26th, 2012
5:53 pm

BTW

The article Big Daddy posted reads like a novel…does she have an agent?

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
5:55 pm

How the hell is everybody

Absof**kinglutely fantastic. And you?

:)

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:01 pm

POGO

What bothers me is when somebody wants to come in here like our in resident Saint pretending they are free of bias and prejudice. Perhaps they may have convinced themselves of such, but I don’t buy it and tend not to give that individual much credence from that point on. These are natural human perspectives and responses. It’s what we do with them and how we allow them to cloud our judgment as to where the problem lies. I may or may not agree with you and may think you’re full of sh*t, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m right and you’re wrong. Seeing it from the other’s point of view (i.e.bias) and preference (i.e. prejudice) is essential to respectful exchange of ideas.

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:02 pm

BROSEPHUS, FRED

Just plumb full of my self!

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
6:07 pm

Josef

ExLax can remedy that problem quite well.

:)

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:11 pm

BROSEPHUS

Are you implying I’m full of…? Big Daddy, Big Daddy, Brosephus is making personal attacks… :-)

Oh, wait, it’s the truth…nevermind…

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
6:15 pm

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
6:21 pm

I can send you some of what I’m drinking josef if you want………

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:22 pm

FRED

Eeeeewwww!

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
6:29 pm

What I don’t understand is this……. they call it a clear liquid diet. Vodka is clear and liquid. I can drink ginger ale but not Coors Light, why? How about white wine? Those are all clear liquids…………

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
6:34 pm

Hi, all, I’m back – checked out early last night, but not before I caught that DOTAGE comment, Josef!

Jay, thanks for article re Todd – WOW.

Old Goober

August 26th, 2012
6:39 pm

“Don’t think they have condoms in 1776.”

Wrong. They existed even in Shakespeare’s time and earlier, although they were made of animal intestines, not latex. See Hogarth’s portrait “The Prostitute”(ca. 1759) for a table full of contraceptive devices.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
6:40 pm

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:47 pm

G-MARE

I’m there with you!

A quick family story…my maternal Granny, a genteel Victorian lady of grace, poise and refinement was being interviewed by the local paper on the occasion of her 95th birthday, She had handled the interview with ever-so-piss properly and the reporter asked her, “Now, Miz Mosher, what would you say is the most rewarding thing about living so long?” She smiled sweetly and said, “the ability to tell anybody, any time, any place to go to hell and get by with it. They’ll just say, ’she’s old.” The reporter, to her credit, didn’t use the quote! :-)

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 26th, 2012
6:49 pm

Skydog – “Speaking of defense.
I had rather be hit by Ronnie Lott than come in here and present a dumb idea.
Get hit by Lawrence Taylor or blog planted by getalife?
Give me LT.
Bones will heal.”

You’re scared of getalife? That is the funniest thing I have ever read here.

Mick

August 26th, 2012
6:50 pm

Lions, and tigers and liberial bias…..who’s afraid of the big bad wolf? Wankers…

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:54 pm

STEVE

Unless you’re already bald and don’t have any testicles, I’d suggest you not tangle with getalife. He’s got some good friends in his corner… :-)

Mick

August 26th, 2012
7:00 pm

I wonder if it is liberal bias that wants a nice huge destructive hurricane that they can feed off for the next week! They sure over hyped it down here in paradise, nothing more than a rain event but they wanted some drama. Sorry about that, mother nature has other plans – on to the gulf coast for another shot…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2012
7:02 pm

Well I am late to the post but Jay, I was the same age as you. I remember being woken up to watch. The discussions of whether something would happen, the risks. It indeed was a unique experience. The words spoken were well said. I daresay that today I suspect that we would hear about the failure to idolize the American Exceptionalism or some similar garbage. It truly is a shame because acts like walking on the moon are what truly bring a country together in some many ways.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
7:08 pm

josef

August 26th, 2012
6:54 pm

STEVE

Unless you’re already bald and don’t have any testicles, I’d suggest you not tangle with getalife. He’s got some good friends in his corner
+++++++++++++++++

Really? Get started his nonsensical stalking stuff sht on me one day and I told him to stop or I’d put him on scroll by. I asked him 4 or 5 times. He didn’t stop and I haven’t read a thing he’s written since. I have no time for stupid crap.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
7:10 pm

Mick: They do the same doom and gloom thing here just about anytime there are going to be more than 4 rain drops or God forbid, a flake of snow………

josef

August 26th, 2012
7:12 pm

FRED

Well, the boy do have issues, no doubt!

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 26th, 2012
7:12 pm

josef – “Unless you’re already bald and don’t have any testicles, I’d suggest you not tangle with getalife. He’s got some good friends in his corner…”

When you need people to help you it’s not a good sign. :)

josef

August 26th, 2012
7:15 pm

STEVE

Oh, he doesn’t NEED them. They just might feel obliged…the Noble Savage is loyal to their friends…

getalife

August 26th, 2012
7:16 pm

Fred,

You very emotional.

Steve,

After this election, I go back to being a big ole lovable teddy bear so if you bring something silly on this blog like Fred, I will call you out.

Fair enough?

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
7:17 pm

Fred, “I feel your pain.” Am facing one of those ordeals in the next few weeks. I do not recall being restricted from white wine the last time I had to do this. My response is, “yeah, like that’s gonna’ happen.”. Good luck! I hope you will get the same diagnosis I did then: It’s a virus. My response, “Seriously? You put me thru this FOR A VIRUS?” I hope your’s is just a virus, too.

Normal Lite, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

August 26th, 2012
7:18 pm

Hey everybody…just a reminder…it’s only a few hours left until Monday! Happy, happy, joy, joy!

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
7:22 pm

Normal

It’s also 5 o’clock somewhere.

paulo977

August 26th, 2012
7:24 pm

JamVet 26th Aug @ 3:49pm ….enjoyed it

Now as we approach the new season

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JUwZ_PZC9I&feature=fvwrel

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2012
7:24 pm

Well, it looks like we just spent 2+ pages discussing whether or not the New York Times is liberal/left leaning and whether or not Focked News is conservative/right leaning.

Umm hmmmmm . . . REALLY?

Well, of course Focked News is conservative/right leaning. And, the New York Times is in the bluest city in the bluest state. Did you really expect them to be anything but liberal/left leaning?

There’s just some things I’ll never understand in life.

josef

August 26th, 2012
7:26 pm

NORMAL

Look on the bright side…it’s a countdown to a long weekend…

Who’s got Labor Day plans…?

Jay

August 26th, 2012
7:26 pm

“The reporter, to her credit, didn’t use the quote!”

The reporter should have been FIRED! :>)

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
7:28 pm

I well remember facing Mondays, Normal. Despite the vagaries of old age, being retired ROCKS! Not to mention Social Security checks & Medicare! Hey, I paid for ‘em! I hope all y’all will benefit from them, too.

Obama/Biden 2012!

Normal Lite, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

August 26th, 2012
7:30 pm

Bro’
Yes it is, but I declared myself an alcoholic a year ago this coming month. Been sober ever since.

I was a friendly, happy drunk, but I was still a drunk. Never wanted to talk about it before, but what the hell, Life in still good…boring, but good and I still have reasons to continue being sober.

The thing is…that sometimes…no, all the time it sucks giving things up because you are getting old. First cigarettes, then fried foods, then sugar, then alcohol…if I have to give up sex, just shoot me! But I told my doctor I would do everything he says up until I reached my 70th birthday…then EFF him and my last years are going to be happy ones!

josef

August 26th, 2012
7:31 pm

JAY

Well, given who Granny was in relation to the hand that fed the reporter, it was probably a wise choice! It’s probably a good thing said reporter didn’t ask “may I quote you on that?” Granny would have smiled that charming smile and have said ever so sweetly, “Dah-lin, Ah in-si-ust you do.” :-)

Normal Lite, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

August 26th, 2012
7:32 pm

Josef,
Labor Day plans…cookin’ for the Grands and Great Grands…we will Par-Tay at the lake!

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
7:44 pm

I’ll try it again this way…Good news a few of the pussay’s have escaped from Russia and will be organizing anti spittoon or excuse me anti Putin protests from outside the country.

josef

August 26th, 2012
7:46 pm

NORM

Barbecue with all the kids and grandkids and then probably the Running Water Pow Wow in Rome on Monday weather and effects of the fire water permitting…

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
7:53 pm

Ted Turner is a smacked ass.

josef

August 26th, 2012
7:54 pm

Funny, considering your confreres among the Putinites are suing Madonna for “publicly promoting the gay lifestyle…” :-)

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
7:54 pm

josef: Will there be gambling? But seriously, what is it and what is there for a pale face and a pale face girl child to do. The Website isn’t very helpful…….

http://www.runningwaterpowwow.com/

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:00 pm

FRED

It’s at the park by the Ridge Mansion downtown. It’s not that big, but it makes up for that with the diversity of what they bring in. While it’s a Cherokee event, they bring performers and artisans from all over including South and Central America. It’s worth checking out if for no other reason than to get a little of that “we’re still here” feeling. For us, though, the fun is gawking at the Indians gawking at the Indians!

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
8:00 pm

Well, I just got done watching a 60 minutes repeat segment on Norquist. The problem with that guy is not that people shouldn’t pledge to do things but that he think one should always say never. I bet he thinks his marriage vows are for life. But I wonder if that would change were his wife to commit adultery one, two, or a dozen times. Even God Almighty is not bound by His promises under any and all circumstances.

Liberals are right about him – he has done a lot of harm to the GOP. Not because he opposes tax increases but because he apparently thinks the taxpayer pledge is the one pledge that should never be broken for any reason for all time. And I have already shown how he likely would not have the same attitude toward his marriage vows.

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
8:02 pm

I bet he thinks his marriage vows are for life.

I think that. what’s your point?

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
8:05 pm

Well it’s confirmed josef. We are going unless it rains.

godless heathen

August 26th, 2012
8:09 pm

Who’s got Labor Day plans…?

Not so much on Labor Day, but Saturday is the opening day of Dove Season, when I’ll be blasting small lead pellets into the sky in hopes that Zenaida macroura will somehow run into some of them.

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:11 pm

FRED

Unmentionable says he’ll do a no rain dance!

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
8:14 pm

godless heathen,

Good hunting or I think it’s more appropriate to wish you good shooting when it comes to Doves.

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:17 pm

Heathen

Get them damn librul passifists! :-

St Simons - he-ne-ha

August 26th, 2012
8:19 pm

ah, the costumes, the jewelry, the really good drummers

aren’t the best dancers in the world, but yall do throw a good powow

“tohidu” – i believe, in your uppity language

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:19 pm

Towncrier

Liberals are right about him – he has done a lot of harm to the GOP. Not because he opposes tax increases but because he apparently thinks the taxpayer pledge is the one pledge that should never be broken for any reason for all time.
——————————————————————————————
That statement is one of the reasons I read your post,

There are no absolutes in politics.

godless heathen

August 26th, 2012
8:21 pm

Recon, we don’t hunt them. It’s more of an ambush.

We have been shooting on our farm every fall since I was old enough to hold a shotgun. I’d be afraid to have a soil sample of the field analyzed for lead. EPA would probably swoop in seize the property.

Recon 0311 2533

August 26th, 2012
8:22 pm

“Recon, we don’t hunt them. It’s more of an ambush”

LOL…good one.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:25 pm

Anyone who dove hunts is looking at frustration. Those are tough critters to take down.

Anyone that can take enough to have a meal has my admiration. :-)

getalife

August 26th, 2012
8:27 pm

The only way we can tell the drunk Indians from the drunk Cajuns is the Indians have long hair.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:29 pm

Godless

what was that address again of the farm so I can let The ???? know? :-)

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:29 pm

He ne ha…

Wa-do! U-wo-tlv-di o-s-da…and it ain’t the dance, but the drag, sez Unmentionable… :-)

TaxPayer

August 26th, 2012
8:30 pm

Forty-three years since Neil set foot on the moon and the anti-science cons of the day birthed the mooner movement–a conspiracy that the moon landing never happened and that it was actually staged on a Hollywood set. Cons have been faithfully birthing loony conspiracies ever since.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:30 pm

getalife –

How is the weather there?

Be safe.

godless heathen

August 26th, 2012
8:31 pm

I hate I’m late to thread about Armstrong. Commander Armstrong took control of the Eagle at the critical time and FLEW that SOB to a safe landing, saving the mission. Here are a couple of videos showing those critical moments. The second one is rather tedious and the sound sucks, but the real geeks will like it. RIP Commander.

http://youtu.be/k_OD2V6fMLQ

http://youtu.be/lCXHcff0lFw

getalife

August 26th, 2012
8:33 pm

Common,

Just got back from New Orleans and now a trip to Dallas to seek higher ground.

I was hoping Isaac was a con radical and took a hard right turn but Isaac leaned left .

Liiiibeeeeraal.

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:34 pm

getalife….

:-)

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
8:34 pm

Some several topics back, a poster gave me a hard time about something I wrote – can not recall the topic – & several of you came to my defense. Thank you; I so appreciated your good words.

godless heathen

August 26th, 2012
8:36 pm

Taxpayer,

I actually met a moon landing denier the other day. I thought the fellow must have been kidding at first but turned out he was serious. I made one comment about the number of people that would have to keep the secret and then went on about my business. You can’t argue with a conspiracy theorist any more than you can argue with someone that accepts things on “faith”.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:36 pm

godless

My mom thought it was staged.

Me, I thought it the greatest achievement of my life.

Other than a few things that have happened since then. :-)

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
8:37 pm

“I think that. what’s your point?”

I do as well. My point is that even the most serious of vows can be legitimately broken under some circumstances (in this case, adultery).

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
8:38 pm

Just dropped in to Jim’s & Kyle’s. I expected the vitriol at Kyle’s but was amazed at same on Jim’s. I thought Jim was pretty much neutral. Wrong?

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:39 pm

GMARE

Who gave you a hard time? Just gimme a name. We’ll have the Gay Indian Jewish Romany Southern mafia on ‘em in a heartbeat…

godless heathen

August 26th, 2012
8:39 pm

Isaac going back to NOLA to finish them off. 7 years and billions of dollars spent resetting the trap.

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
8:39 pm

getlife

Hopefully you do not sustain and property damage and good call on going to the Big D.

Have a safe trip. And keep us posted

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2012
8:42 pm

Isaac expected to be Cat 2 100 mph when it reaches Gulf Coast Tuesday. Holy Cow!

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
8:43 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
8:43 pm

Who gave you a hard time?

All the lib women here can hold their own against any and all comers.

It’s when they gang up together that I find entertaining.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:43 pm

Grover Norquist holds waht office?

It’s strange that he holds so much power over the elected members.

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:46 pm

SOOTH

Cat 2, 100 mph…could be worse…

Getalife

Hope all goes well…

getalife

August 26th, 2012
8:46 pm

godless,

Business is booming in New Orleans and if you go to a Saint’s game it is a blast.

All the fine women love to dance to the songs played.

Thanks Both,

Will do.

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
8:49 pm

gatalife

Been to a couple of Falcon & Saint games down in NO, as well as the Final Four and two Sugar Bowls

It gets to rockn and rolln down there for sure

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:49 pm

“It’s when they gang up together that I find entertaining.”

‘Cept when it’s me they’re ganging up on…

TaxPayer

August 26th, 2012
8:50 pm

Eventually the people of New Orleans are just gonna have to face the music and pull the plug on those big water pumps and let the Gulf reclaim that which is rightfully hers.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
8:51 pm

josef

Us breeder males know to get out of the way, or get run over.

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
8:54 pm

getalife

And to Mardi Gras several times, which of course makes those other events appear to be tame in comparison

josef

August 26th, 2012
8:56 pm

TAXI

Nope. Been there since 1721 and will be there long after we’re gone.

K’CHAK
:-)

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
8:59 pm

G Mare

On the weekends it’s kind of hands off. Be wary and be ready to do a smackdown as needed :-)

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
8:59 pm

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
8:59 pm

josef

Yes it will

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2012
9:06 pm

As I understand it, Nawlins was at or slightly above sea level when originally built. However, over time, the city has actually sunk because of the loose sediment beneath the city. In fact, it’s still sinking at the present time. Not only that, there’s no practical way to stop it from sinking further.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:06 pm

josef

‘Cept when it’s me they’re ganging up on…
————————————————————-

that’s because you say you own the boa…..

You stole it from DDR. I know because she told me. I believe everything women tell me :-)

getalife

August 26th, 2012
9:07 pm

Thanks josef.

Both,

You got that right.

Bourbon Street gets wilder every time go.

TaxPayer

August 26th, 2012
9:07 pm

Been there since 1721 and will be there long after we’re gone.

Atlantis is still around too but no one lives there any more.

fair and balanced

August 26th, 2012
9:09 pm

Thulsa Doom- It is probably hard for you to believe but a liberal Democrat -JFK was responsible for Armstrong going to the moon. And the cons want to question the patriotism of the Democrats when they are about to nominate a man who avided Vietnam by hiding in a Chateau in France??. Not one person in four or five generations of his family served. Even Obama can beat that.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
9:10 pm

Normal

Congrats bro. About the only vice I currently enjoy is my pair of vice grips. I’ve never smoked, never did drugs, don’t have the time to drink, so all I have left is my trusty vice grips. As of lately, I haven’t had the time to tinker with the classic either. :(

—————

Towncrier

The problem I have with Norquist and his pledge is that there seems to be vapor lock in the brain of anybody who signs it. I can understand the idea of not raising taxes on people. At the same time, the very people signing to never raise taxes both want to increase military spending and complain about the amount of debt we’re adding. I can’t grasp how most every citizen doesn’t automatically see the disconnect between those two positions.

You can’t possibly cut enough from the fed budget to lower the debt while still wanting to increase defense spending. Anybody who thinks that is possible is seriously brain cell deficient. The fact that we have over $15 trillion in deficit that’s gaining interest means that we will have to address revenues if there is any attempt, serious or not, at lowering that debt.

They BOTH suck

August 26th, 2012
9:11 pm

getalife

I actually like it better when I have been down there when it wasn’t Mardi Gras.

It can get too crazy.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:14 pm

Bro

Be careful with the vise grip and the KV jelly, you may smack you hand on the sink

:-)

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
9:16 pm

“It’s when they gang up together that I find entertaining.”

‘Cept when it’s me they’re ganging up on…

Ha ha hell!!! THAT’S when I pop my popcorn.

:)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
9:17 pm

Norquist’s top priority is a government small enough to drown in the bathtub. So what if the country goes to hell.

The ends justifies the means.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:17 pm

Normal

Life is where it takes us. My A1C is borderline so I have to be careful. Older brothers and other family members also.

It is what it is my friend.

getalife

August 26th, 2012
9:18 pm

Both,

Me too.

It is easier to walk .

Josef

August 26th, 2012
9:18 pm

Then there’s the Dutch…it can be done

Common Sense

DDR lies. Wimmen do that, you know! :-)

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
9:20 pm

Josef

August 26th, 2012
9:22 pm

Brosephus

I bet you do! Choke on it… :-)

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
9:23 pm

Here’s a dedication from Diana Krall to Neil Armstrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVCgf6_M7i4

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
9:24 pm

DDR lies. Wimmen do that, you know!

I said, “Get out of the way”, not “Paint a target on your back”.

Geez….

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:25 pm

josef

wimmen lie?

Chit no wonder I been married 3 times……

:-)

I may have to turn reptilian………

:-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2012
9:26 pm

“It’s when they gang up together that I find entertaining.”

‘Cept when it’s me they’re ganging up on…

that’s almost as entertaining…. ;) The conned have no ability to even come close to rational responses. :D

St Simons - he-ne-ha

August 26th, 2012
9:28 pm

haha, yep, yall definitely have the best costumes, josef

i hear story-telling is coming back too (my fav for the kids)

getalife

August 26th, 2012
9:30 pm

Normal,

I just tell the doctors that I quit so they will not nag me :)

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
9:30 pm

heathen nice call with those vids.

Thanks, paulo.

That wonderful Moody Blues piece is proof that you too love the creme de la creme of English music.

Back at ya, buddy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOtLKttDU4&feature=related

TaxPayer

August 26th, 2012
9:31 pm

Here’s to sitting in a tin can. If you think about it, it truly does take a lot of guts to put your faith in Made in the USA. I mean, those tin cans could’ve been union made back then! The horrors. :smile:

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
9:33 pm

All the lib women here can hold their own against any and all comers.

Brother Kam, no kidding!

Call me crazy, but I LOVE strong, smart, interesting, funny, empowered ladies!

Especially those that are not sexually repressed like the con women! (grin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bucx2M-tYsY

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:33 pm

Keep

I TRY to stay on the correct side of the wimmin folks as they seem to have control of the important things in life ;-)

Motocross Survivor

August 26th, 2012
9:36 pm

@King of Everything, do you really not mind looking like an uneducated buffoon? I can remember when only a few uneducated blacks didn’t believe men walked on the Moon. So much for progress. The stupidity is spreading and the human race is in trouble.

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
9:37 pm

josef

I will not choke on that popcorn, but I will laugh my uppity urban ass off!!!

:razz:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2012
9:38 pm

Personally, I never know which is the “correct side”. If I knew that, I would have to start conversations by saying “I am a man, I must be wrong. I’m sorry” :lol:

Josef

August 26th, 2012
9:42 pm

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:43 pm

Jam

Call me crazy, but I LOVE strong, smart, interesting, funny, empowered ladies!
———–

That is my failing also. Difficult to find while traveling. But I will persevere

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:47 pm

Keep

You know you are wrong if you are a man.

After that everything becomes easier. :-)

Brosephus™

August 26th, 2012
9:48 pm

Y’all have fun. It’s lights out time here.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
9:48 pm

Especially those that are not sexually repressed like the con women! (grin)

Brother AmVet

Where to even begin….

Both of us have the same obsessor, even to the point of accusing (not a bad thing) us of being brothers.

My big question: WHERE THE HELL IS MIDORI?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEWiF2FxF5w

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
9:53 pm

Bro

when your wife gets married next month let me know how the ‘time split’ works.

I may try to convince the next mrs’ to try that option. :-)

At least the alimony will be less

getalife

August 26th, 2012
9:56 pm

Just tell the ladies what they want to hear and give them lots of lovin.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:02 pm

get

I try that and they say that YOU are as old as getalife.

I take that as a compliment.

Old and still active :-)

JamVet

August 26th, 2012
10:02 pm

Yea, Kam, but she does fit in well with the dbags over there like LIL BB, Andy and Tibby Dave.

I only spent about 10 days in Scotland but I still think about those special times…(Even the blinding hangover after Glasgow!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Y6xFOPPW0

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:08 pm

What happened to Harry Callahan, that POS said he was so impotent to his company etc.

I don’t see him on Kyle’s or any place. Seems he wasn’t that impotent,

:-)

getalife

August 26th, 2012
10:10 pm

Common,

There ya go.

I the blood stops flowing, there is a pill for that :)

getalife

August 26th, 2012
10:11 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
10:13 pm

Once again — my favorite Scottish lass covering an awesome Chaka Khan tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZlxSRfuBHU

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:22 pm

get

you are still up there with my hero’s :-)

we all have challenges, but we all (at our ages) have gotten to the point in our lives that we care less about OUR future than others.

I have 19 grands and am very concerned about the fact that they will have a limited future under a regressive ruling party, IMO

I

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
10:26 pm

Brosephus

“The fact that we have over $15 trillion in deficit that’s gaining interest means that we will have to address revenues if there is any attempt, serious or not, at lowering that debt.”

In fairness to the GOP, I think the backdrop to their intransigence to raising taxes has been the failure to cut spending by Congress (many Democrats) on the promise to do so AFTER tax increases (with Reagan and Bush I). And that gets back to the question of what the role of the federal government should be in our lives and how much of our GDP should be reflected in its spending. The historic average is about 18%. It is now around 24%. Parts of the government like Amtrak and the Post Office are bleeding money and have been for a number of years. Fraud, redundancy, inefficiency and non-necessity marks a lot of government programs and agencies. Many see the federal government as a juggernaut spiraling out of control.

At the same time, however, I see and understand liberals concern with corporate greed and shenanigans prompting behavior that is harmful to people. That needs to be addressed somehow, though I don’t have a solution in mind. I doubt that legislation will do much of anything if laws against drug use are an example. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a solution to be found to discourage making a killing at all costs (including selling your mother’s soul). One thing that can be done, however, is to sever the tie between Congress and outside money every way possible and cease all paid lobbying.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:33 pm

TC

Your latest post is the reason I read what you have to say.

There is too much redundancy in the functions of the Fed. Gov’t (waste).

It has been going on for years and until we the Independants find a way out of this mess we are screwed.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
10:38 pm

Congressional reelection rates are in the 80-90% range.

Whenever anyone starts whining about Congress and/or term limits, it’s a safe bet they are only whining about someone else’s congress critter.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
10:39 pm

“There is too much redundancy in the functions of the Fed. Gov’t (waste). It has been going on for years and until we the Independants find a way out of this mess we are screwed.”

CS, I think it is just too easy to spend money that is not your own or that can be borrowed – even at a personal level (just consider the rampant credit card debt people have as a whole). Those who grew up during the Depression came away with the attitude that if they didn’t have the money to buy something, they wouldn’t. I wish I had had that attitude all my life. We need to get back to that way of thinking, in our own lives and in government.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
10:43 pm

“Whenever anyone starts whining about Congress and/or term limits, it’s a safe bet they are only whining about someone else’s congress critter.”

I disagree. I am for term limits on principle. They apply to the executive branch and I see no reason they should not apply to the legislative branch as well. I am dismayed that, for example, in the Senate a single senator can tie up a bill in committee ad infinitum. That is not democracy; it is a limited monarchy of sorts.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:46 pm

TC

My parent were of that era and I grew up with that attitude.

With that said I still can’t understand the opinion that people should be homeless or starve.

That is a totally foreign concept to me.

I have worked full time since 1972 and I will willing work for however long to insure that no one will be left by the way side.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
10:51 pm

disagree. I am for term limits on principle.

Too bad, it’s true.

http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/reelect.php

If you want a different congress critter, then vote against the incumbent.

But that means that you vote for a Democrat against Chambliss or Isakson in the general election.

Are you “principle[ed]” enough to do that?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
10:54 pm

Kam

what be those principal thingies?

getalife

August 26th, 2012
10:58 pm

Thanks Common,

“I have 19 grands and am very concerned about the fact that they will have a limited future under a regressive ruling party, IMO”

Wow, you are the hero and your mind is on the right issue. It is a mess.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
10:59 pm

“With that said I still can’t understand the opinion that people should be homeless or starve. That is a totally foreign concept to me.”

I don’t know if it is an “opinion” that people “should be homeless or starve”. I think anyone with a heart doesn’t want to see that. But the question is this: who is responsible for helping these people? The Bible says “love your neighbor as yourself”. It does not say “insist the government take care of the needy”. And with respect to parents, the Bible says you should “honor your father and mother”. But the Jews of Jesus’ day supposed that giving money to the temple excused them from the obligation of taking care of their parents in their old age.

During the Depression, my grandmother had her own soup line for hungry people out of work. She took it upon herself to help those in need. I would really like to see us get back to that as a nation instead of ducking into our houses and never even talking to our neighbors.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:00 pm

Freaking

A “Principal” is the chief executive in a school, or the last name of a large breasted actress that played Bobby Ewing’s wife in the prime-time soap Dallas.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
11:02 pm

“But that means that you vote for a Democrat against Chambliss or Isakson in the general election.”

I see what you are saying. We, the voters, create an artificial term limit. But I should not have to do that if term limits were the law of the land. And if Norquist can create a pledge to not raise taxes, why can’t pledges be made to support term limits?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:04 pm

get

every day that I wake I focus on the most important things in life,

Some days that’s me other days others.

Cialas and viagra may change that FOCUS LOL

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:08 pm

…if term limits were the law of the land.

If unicorns crapped Skittles, then the Mars corporation would have a very large drain on their revenue stream.

But term limits are not the law of the land, and unicorns neither exist nor crap Skittles.

So the question still remains.

Do your “principle[s]” extend to voting for a Democrat against the incumbents Chambliss and Isakson in a general election?

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
11:16 pm

“Do your “principle[s]” extend to voting for a Democrat against the incumbents Chambliss and Isakson in a general election?”

Not a very nice response from you the first time in a while I have attempted to seriously engage you in a discussion. What I have said stands. But I also have other principles that conflict with the one I stated. I must choose between them. I will NEVER vote for someone who supports gay marriage, for instance (even if it means staying home). It will therefore depend upon the candidate? Is it Zell Miller? Then no problem.

Now, instead of throwing up you hands in fatalism, why won’t you agree that liberals and conservatives alike can insist that their candidates support term limits? Or do you just want to be a contrarian and snark at people all of the time?

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:17 pm

Where are Granny G, Midori, doggone/ga, USinUK when I need ‘em!?!?? :) I am takin’ names here, Guys.

Also believe most of the comments are with love. Right?

Would love to make a bunch of snarky comments re Isaac & the Rs, but truly can’t wish that kind of horror & destruction on anyone. Mostly….

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:19 pm

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:26 pm

Krall? She can not hold a candle to Mr. Sinatra’s version of FLY ME TO THE MOON!

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:27 pm

G Mare

The ladies are out for the night (i think), but being a man (simple minded) I will not state that with proof.

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:28 pm

… why won’t you agree that liberals and conservatives alike can insist that their candidates support term limits?

Term limits already exist, they’re called elections.

I’ve already illustrated that congressional reelection rates are in the 80-90% range, but it’s you that is whining about term limits. In fact, you went as far to say, “I see no reason they should not apply to the legislative branch as well. I am dismayed that, for example, in the Senate a single senator can tie up a bill in committee ad infinitum.”

But now you have moved the goalposts and you said there is something else that dismays you even more, “someone who supports gay marriage for instance.”

How many more times will you move the goalposts?

All night long

August 26th, 2012
11:30 pm

TC

You want your cake and want to eat it as well.

You wont impose your own term limits because of certain issues, but you want the parties to embrace it.

That is a weak cop out to say the least.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
11:32 pm

Taken from what appears to be a conservative site, a summary of government actions during the Great Depression, some of which is factual, some of which is perceptual or possibly false. You can tell which is which easily enough. The point is to be reacquainted (or acquainted for the first time) with many of the key things the federal government did (unconstitutional or not, excessive or not. prudent or not) during the Great Depression. I really think that the next area of study is going to be an in depth analysis of what all was attempted or done during the GD as it bears on our current situation.

Hoover:

Upon taking office, immediately began reducing the money supply.
April, 1929: Started pushing for an increased tariff.
November, 1929: Expanded the public buildings program by $423 million under the theory that increased government spending would boost the economy.
November 19, 1929: Called a meeting of all railroad executives to goad them into a railroad construction binge, even though the bursting of railroad construction bubbles caused three depressions in the 19th century. $1 billion was pledged by the federal government for railroad construction. This was 30% of the entire budget.
November 21, 1929: Hoover met with Henry Ford, Julius Rosenwald (Sears), Pierre du Pont, Alfred Sloan (GM), and Julius Barnes (US Chamber of Commerce). Hoover strong-armed them to pledge not to lay- off or reduce wages of employees.
November 22, 1929: Met with labor leaders to encourage them to push for higher wages.
November 22, 1929: Met with construction executives to strong arm them into not laying off workers.
November 23, 1929: Telegraphed all state governors and many mayors to goad them into increasing spending on public works. Received the greatest support in this effort from New York Governor Roosevelt.
November 25, 1929: Met with agriculture executives and promised support.
November 27, 1929: Met with Utility executives to goad them into expanding the electric grid at a faster pace.
December 1929: Hoover submitted bills to congress to call for 1) the expansion of the merchant marine; 2) the regulation of the interstate distribution of electric power; 3) Consolidation of railroads; 4) development of public health services; 5) created a department for “the reorganization of the greater economy”.
December 1929: Hoover pledged to use the Executive Branch to broker the recovery.
Hoover forced all businesses to increase capital expenditures when they did not want to due to the downturn. He required companies to take a hit in profits. This further depressed the stock market. Many businesses were forced to shut down rather than lay off employees.
December 1929: Pushed congress to endorse huge public works spending.
December 1929: Ordered all state governors to increase public works spending.
December 1929: Hoover attempted to boost farm prices. Farm prices were depressed due to over-production as a result of production incentives advanced by Hoover in the early 1920’s when he was Commerce Secretary. The government lured the farmers into over-production.
December 1929: Former President Coolidge said “These are socialistic notions of government”. Hoover had been in the Harding and Coolidge cabinets. Coolidge campaigned against Hoover in the primary for being an excessive interventionist saying “Hoover gave me a lot of advice, all of it bad”. Also quoted as saying “Hoover has it backwards. High wages do not make prosperity. Prosperity makes high wages”.
Hoover promoted collusion among companies in violation of anti-trust laws.
1930: Public works spending at the highest level in 5 years.
June: 1930: Smoot-Hawley Act Increased Tariff to highest tariff levels in US history. Reduced imports by 40%. Reduced exports markedly. Reduced ability of other countries to pay debts to U.S.
Increased farm subsidies in order to raise farm prices. A return to the Gold Standard Mechanism would have relieved the farmers’ problems.
Forced wage controls and job sharing. Pressured companies to raise wages in a deflationary environment, causing corporations’ financials to deteriorate, and worsened downturn.
Federal share of GNP increased markedly from 1930 – 1931.
Revenue Act of 1932 – Largest peacetime tax increase in history doubled Federal income tax revenue. Top tax bracket increased from 24% to 63%. Reduced exemptions. Abolished earned income credit. Corporate taxes raised. Auto tax raised.
NCC – National Credit Corp – Big banks forced to lend to small banks to avoid foreclosure.
Reconstruction Finance Corp subsidized politically influential businesses.
Federal Home Loan Bank Act was passed to spur new home construction, causing real estate bubble.
Emergency Relief Construction Act authorized excessive funds for public works.
Check Tax charged 2 cents for every check written (30 cents in today’s dollars).
Huge budget deficit weakened economy.
Attempted to pass laws making short selling unlawful.
Attempted to bail out German debts by calling for a moratorium on interest payments.
Hoover said Depression was aggravated by “People giving up jobs so they can make more money gouging people with high prices for apples”.

FDR:

Devalued dollar by 40% in the first 100 days.
First FDR budget had $10 billion in spending, $3 billion revenue.
Federal expenditures rose by 83% and debt rose by 73% from 1933 – 1936.
Forced bank holiday for 9 days. Resulted in 5000 banks failing to reopen, 2000 of which were permanently closed.
Treasury Dept. defaulted on its promise of honoring gold backed bonds.
Treasury Dept. defaulted on its promise of redeeming paper money for gold.
Socialist Security Act created legal Ponzi scheme. Treasury Secretary Morganthau advised FDR against the passage of the Socialist Security Act saying “The program will be broke by 1980. I cannot put this burden on future Treasury Secretaries.”
Works Progress Administration gave jobs based on political patronage.
National Recovery Act (NRA) – Forced companies into cartels in violation of anti-trust laws. Regulated prices. Raised taxes. 500 codes controlled production. NRA headed by Hugh Johnson, who was an admirer of Mussolini. Industrial production dropped 25% within 6 months of passage. Poultry retailer Schechter of Brooklyn was charged under NRA and jailed for lowering poultry prices from the mandated 21 cents per pound to 19 cents per pound. Schechter case brought to Supreme Court. Supreme Court found in favor of Schechter. NRA declared unconstitutional by Supreme Court. The Supreme Court forced the NRA to drop 500 court cases.
Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) forced farmers to plow under crops and kill livestock to be buried in mass graves. Paid farmers not to work. Initiated new tax on agricultural processors. Only helped large farms. Caused food prices to go up at a time when many people could not afford enough food. Artificially increasing food prices was FDR’s method of “reducing deflation”. Outlawed by Supreme Court.
United States Housing Authority bailed out people from their mortgages.
Civilian Conservation Corp. created make-work jobs to improve employment data, weakening economy.
Excessively increased regulatory powers of FTC.
Fair Standards Act created minimum wage increasing unemployment. Caused 500,000 Blacks to be laid off.
Moved the control of the money supply from the New York Federal Reserve to the Washington Federal Reserve which increased the political influence of the money supply.
Retroactively made it illegal to take advantage of legal tax loopholes.
Nominated known bootlegger, stock swindler and inside trader to lead the Security and Exchange Commission, Joseph Kennedy. When asked why he had tapped such a crook, FDR replied, “Takes one to catch one”.
TVA created government-owned and subsidized utility in violation of Constitution. Forced private utilities out of business. Wiped out $650 million in market cap of southern utilities.
Public Utilities Holding Co. Act outlawed public utility holding companies.
Frazier – Lemke Act limited the ability of banks to reposess property. Declared unconstitutional by Supreme Court.
Charged former Treasury Secretary Mellon for taking too many tax deductions. The trial concluded that Mellon’s deductions were all legal and that he didn’t take advantage of all the deductions that he was entitled to. FDR was found to have taken illegal deductions, but charges were never filed.
Executive Order 6102 confiscated gold of every citizen and paid them $20 per ounce. Later increased the exchange rate to $32 per ounce. Made it illegal for people to own gold. Found to be unconstitutional by Supreme Court, but Roosevelt ignored order.
Works Progress Administration gave jobs to politically connected. Forced workers to collect campaign contributions for Democrats.
In 1936 Federal spending surpassed all state and local spending for the first time, increasing by 50% as a percentage of the GNP.
National debt increased from 16% of GNP to 32% of GNP.
Initiated 5% tax on dividends.
Wagner Act of 1937. Took labor disputes out of the courts and into the NLRB, whose members were packed with pro labor socialists by FDR in violation of constitutional checks and balances. The NLRB became prosecutor, judge, and jury in labor disputes. Workers were not allowed the freedom to get rid of a union, once a union was voted in. Union workers were allowed to shut out non-union workers. FDR encouraged the unions to commit acts of violence by saying “The refusal of employers to allow workers to organize will lead to strikes and industrial strife”. FDR passed this as retribution for the Supreme Court outlawing the AAA and NRA. It became unlawful for any company to resist any demand from labor unions. Labor union membership increased 10-fold in one year. This resulted in labor unions going on a frenzy of threats, boycotts, strikes, and seizures of plant and widespread violence. Resulted in reduced productivity and increased unemployment. Caused “Depression of 1937 – the Depression within a Depression”.
FDR passed an executive order to tax all income over $25,000 at 100%, but was struck down by congress.
FDR proposed a 99.5% federal Income Tax on all income over $100,000 per year. Struck down by congress.
Personal Income tax top rate raised to 91%.
Steel mill capacity dropped from 83% to 35% during 1937. When this news was released, FDR was on a 9 day fishing trip.
Undistributed Profits tax of 1937, increased corporate taxes. This was in response to companies hoarding cash and postponing capital expenditures due to political uncertainty. According to the Boston Herald: “The Undistributed Profits Tax will deepen the depression by leaving companies unable to save for a downturn forcing them to lay off more workers, and suspend dividends”.
Tried to pack the Supreme Court with 5 additional judges in violation of constitutional checks and balances. Capital investment declined markedly until this issue was resolved.
Members of FDR administration published a book entitled “Nine Old Men” which was a smear of the existing members of the Supreme Court, calling them the “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”. The book was an unconstitutional attempt to control the Supreme Court.
Treasury Secretary Morganthau admitted in 1939 that the New Deal was a failure. A poll in 1939 blamed FDR for prolonging the Depression by a 2:1 margin.
US became unnecessarily involved in WW2 in Europe in violation of George Washington’s warning concerning the avoidance of European alliances. Should have instead remained neutral and watched Germany and the USSR beat each other into another Dark Age. Winston Churchill later declared that the war was unnecessary. The war caused the Great Depression to be replaced by a wartime economic bubble which resulted in inflation peaking at 6% per month.
Attempted to manipulate the entire economy by imposing artificial wage and price controls.
Sold war bonds to finance the war so the next administration would have to pay for the war.
Assisted the USSR in the take-over of half of Europe, causing the initiation of the Cold War which substantially increased Federal defense spending for decades, reducing net economic activity.
Allowed Hawaii to be attacked by Japan. Should have increased defenses to a greater degree and should not have given away so many arms to the UK. War with Japan could have been avoided if the invading Japanese fleet were destroyed before attacking Hawaii, as it was in the Battle of Midway.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:33 pm

Freaking

Ms. Principal did a spread for Playboy

Ay chihuahua!

Muy caliente!

Fred ™

August 26th, 2012
11:34 pm

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:26 pm

Krall? She can not hold a candle to Mr. Sinatra’s version of FLY ME TO THE MOON!
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Opinions vary. She sang AND played the piano. What did he play except the field?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:35 pm

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:39 pm

Common F, yes! I am no longer much
into organized religion, but I believe Jesus said something about the least among us. Also, “see these Christians how they love one another.” But, but, but prom queens at whole foods buying steaks…. Puleese!

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:40 pm

Kam

one of my favorite things ;-)

the youngsters wouldn’t understand

All night long

August 26th, 2012
11:41 pm

TC

I read comments however I do not post much at all.

You are certainly one that has a patern of moving goal posts.

Evident that you are intelligent but in many cases you are not intellictualy honest.

But I am sure you are aware of that even if unwilling to admit it.

All you have to do is reread your own post to see how you duck and dodge, yet want to hold others to another standard when they are debating you.

Janney

August 26th, 2012
11:43 pm

Just got back on here for a bit. Common Sense, your post at 10:46 was terrific. My feelings exactly. G Mare: “hi” to the other lady on here!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:43 pm

But, but, but prom queens at whole foods buying steaks…. Puleese!

No, no, no, no, no!

It’s welfare queens at Whole Foods buying prom dresses and steaks.

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:47 pm

Fred, the man could SING. Was he moral according to some? Probably not, but the that man could SONG! Then there is that fact that you have heard of Sinatra & I have never heard of Ms Krall.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:51 pm

G Mare

Raised Catholic (as if I remember you were) it is tough to be connected with the religion of our younger years,

But I do remember the caring for those less fortunate.

Those include family members and those not in my family.

Call me a bleeding heart if you will, BUT I AM WHAT I AM

Call me POPEYE THE SAILOR MAN :-)

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
11:52 pm

“Term limits already exist, they’re called elections.”

That would be incorrect. Here is how they are defined by wiki:

“A term limit is a legal restriction that limits the number of terms a officeholder may serve in a particular elected office.”

Got it?

“I’ve already illustrated that congressional reelection rates are in the 80-90% range, but it’s you that is whining about term limits.”

Umm…yeah…because if we don’t have term limits by law then incumbents win by 80-90% (or did you misunderstand that to be just the opposite?). That is to say, they stay for life in many cases.

“But now you have moved the goalposts and you said there is something else that dismays you even more, “someone who supports gay marriage for instance.”

So, because you don’t understand the meaning of term limits (and supply your own definition) and then strangely use a statistic that to support a fatalistic and false conclusion (politicians are usually re-elected and term limits will never be passed into law so you should just vote the bums out), you think I am “moving the goalposts” when one of my principles overrides another? Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you? Sorry, I don’t accept the idea term limits cannot be made into law and secondly would be very much in favor of getting a national movement going to ensure they are.

Now, how about you? Are you for term limits or are you just arguing to no point? If you are against them, have you practiced what you have preached to me?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:54 pm

Diana Krall?

A two-time Grammy award winning jazz pianist married to Elvis Costello.

A blonde, but I’m willing to overlook that ’cause of her talent.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
11:56 pm

“You want your cake and want to eat it as well. You wont impose your own term limits because of certain issues, but you want the parties to embrace it.”

Am I to understand that liberals don’t want term limits then? If so, why would you be against them?

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2012
11:56 pm

Janney

Thanks

Is that a family name? I knew some Janney’s when I was younger.

:-)

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:56 pm

Oops, sing.

Janny, welcome! Sorry I missed you in my “ladies lineup.” Also have to say, in my mind, “ladies” is a pejorative. “I am WOMAN, hear me roar!”

All night long

August 26th, 2012
11:57 pm

Town

Those definitions do not in any form or fashion stop you from imposing term limits.

You talk in theory but have only excuses as to why you do not already do this.

Nothing is stoping you.

Towncrier

August 26th, 2012
11:59 pm

“If we as a country really value our citizens then no one would be homeless or hungry.”

Nice slogan, but what does that mean exactly? And, might I ask, what have you personally done to help those in need over the years? How much do you give to charity?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 26th, 2012
11:59 pm

So, because you don’t understand the meaning of term limits…

Nope.

Term limits by whatever definitions don’t exist.

You are moving the goalposts ’cause you first say that term limits are important.

Then when confronted with the fact that term limits don’t exist and in order to stand on “principle” you must needs vote for a Democrat against a Republican in the general election, you get all mealy-mouthed and play the gay marriage card.

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:01 am

“You talk in theory but have only excuses as to why you do not already do this.”

Answer the question, getalife.

All night long

August 27th, 2012
12:02 am

Town

I am a 100 percent write in for Congress and President.

Why are you doing what you do best? You want to pin down others but will run around like a child to avoid answering questions pertaining to something you brought up.

Bottom line, you talk a bigger game than you walk.

Even you know it.

Pathetic

G Mare

August 27th, 2012
12:05 am

Common, you remember correctly. I was indeed raised Catholic. And I remember a Black priest sent to our parish in Portland, Oregon, in the early 1950s. He wasn’t there very long, thanks to the sanctimonious parishioners. This is one of the many reasons I no longer consider myself a catholic.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
12:05 am

The Pragmatic in Congress do not get re-elected the extremists are the ones who get the headlines.

The country is so polarised that only those that play to the extremes get elected.

A practical pragmatic congress critter is not electible

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:07 am

“Nope.”

Yep. Your “definition” does not equal the standard one found in a dictionary. THAT cannot be refuted.

“Term limits by whatever definitions don’t exist.”

Really? Then Obama can run for another 3 or 4 or 5 terms if he so desires? Do you hear yourself talking? FAIL.

“You are moving the goalposts ’cause you first say that term limits are important. Then when…BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.”

“Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you? ”

“Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you? ”

“Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you? ”

“Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you?”

“Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you?”

“Since when is one principle (or right in the case of the Constitution) overriding another (when they are in conflict) a foreign concept to you?”

Huh?

All night long

August 27th, 2012
12:07 am

Town

You are weak and deep down you know it.

No one would ever mistake you for a leader on anything excpet hypocrisy and dodge ball

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 27th, 2012
12:10 am

Really? Then Obama can run for another 3 or 4 or 5 terms if he so desires? Do you hear yourself talking? FAIL.

Moving the goalposts yet again.

The link that I provided and the subject clearly was congressional reelection rates.

Insert another quarter and try again.

Fred ™

August 27th, 2012
12:11 am

G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:47 pm

Fred, the man could SING. Was he moral according to some? Probably not, but the that man could SONG! Then there is that fact that you have heard of Sinatra & I have never heard of Ms Krall.
+++++++++++++++++++++

So the fact that I am better rounded and more educated in music is somehow a negative thing? Really? Does that mean I’m stupid if I’ve read more books than you too lol?

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:12 am

“The country is so polarised that only those that play to the extremes get elected. A practical pragmatic congress critter is not electible”

Hence the need for term limits, in my opinion.

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:13 am

“Moving the goalposts yet again.”

I know remember why I don’t engage you in debate as a rule. You seem unable to carry on a logical discourse.

Good luck to you, buddy.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
12:13 am

G Mare

during the early 70’s a Priest was booted for speaking to a high school class about Vietnam and their reason fo going or not..

TC

My family comes first. If you don’t feel that way then I am sorry for your loss.

After my family comes friends in need then the community as a whole.

getalife

August 27th, 2012
12:15 am

Here is your answer:

Audit the Pentagon.

rand paul’s idea.

All night long

August 27th, 2012
12:17 am

Town

Be a man for once in your life and embrace term limits when you vote.

There doesn’t have to be a law for you to do it.

You sound worse then any nanny state far lefty in existense.

You need a term limit law to man up on what you have the ability to do now?

Wow

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:17 am

My parting thought: if someone is posting under a variety of different names (like I suspect someone here is), how can you disprove that hypothesis? One way is to see if they post at the same time ever. If not….then stylistic considerations, depth of thought and the like come into play.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 27th, 2012
12:18 am

I know remember why I don’t engage you in debate as a rule. You seem unable to carry on a logical discourse.

It’s because I pin your ears back and don’t allow this silly sidetracking nonsense.

We were clearly discussing congress then you want to bring up the executive branch.

Then at 12:12 you are willing to go back to talking about congressional term limits.

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:21 am

“My family comes first.”

Good. i have no problem with that

“After my family comes friends in need…”

Okay.

“…then the community as a whole.”

There are several ways one can help others – by contributing time. treasure and/or talent. I asked you what you have personally done to help others in the community (as I have many times). I don’t understand why you didn’t give me a straight answer. If you haven’t done much to help others, then why in the world do you expect me at the force of gunpoint (as opposed to letting me choose who and how I help)?

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:23 am

“It’s because I pin your ears back and don’t allow this silly sidetracking nonsense.”

You are a legend in your own mind, getalife. You are obviously unwilling to have a serious conversation about things so I will choose to end it here.

All night long

August 27th, 2012
12:26 am

Town

Don’t pout. You got twisted around in your own bullcrap.

No one’s fault except your own.

Poor old Town.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 27th, 2012
12:26 am

You are a legend in your own mind, getalife.

I am not getalife.

The fact that you do not recognize that make you incapable of doing little more than cleaning up after yourself.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
12:26 am

TC

I understand the need for term limits, but effective leadership is tough to come by.

If the members of Congress are making progress why replace them?

It is the stagnation of the congress critters and the senators that is causing the lack of progess, how will you vote to end that?

Will you vote TP and cause more stagnation or will you vote to end the stalemate? Your Choice

getalife

August 27th, 2012
12:29 am

Does crier think I am Kam?

No crier, I use one name.

G Mare

August 27th, 2012
12:29 am

Oh, not to mention patriarchy, misogyny, & pedophilia. My mom, bless her memory, tried to pray me back to The Church; I told her I would consider it when The Church ordained a woman. Mom didn’t like that answer, but I think she “got it”. She also realized that, as she told me in her last years, that she could no longer consider herself a Christian if she could not embrace & include Black people. She died at 91, vowing to vote for President Obama. I think I have told this before here, but I also think it bears repeating. If we look into our hearts & remember what we learned as youngsters, how can we not “be our brothers keepers, not do into the least among us.” And how can we buy into steaks & prom dresses? Are there cheats at the bottom? Yes. But there are also cheats at the top. Mr. Romney, show,us your tax returns!

Fred ™

August 27th, 2012
12:31 am

All night long

August 27th, 2012
12:26 am

Town

Don’t pout. You got twisted around in your own bullcrap.

No one’s fault except your own.

Poor old Town.
++++++++++++++++++++++

For someone who, by their own admission, doesn’t post often, you surely spent a lot of time attacking Crier. To the point where I just scrolled past your posts like I scroll past most of his…….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 27th, 2012
12:32 am

Yes getalife, crybaby has confused the two of us. (And I am not offended)

Evidently, he doesn’t realize that Jay doesn’t allow one person to use sock-puppets to talk to one another.

Crybaby also has trouble walking back his illogical crap.

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:34 am

“I am not getalife.”

From my perspective, you are not worlds apart. The only thing that would prove your claim is a previous post at the same time.

“The fact that you do not recognize that make you incapable of doing little more than cleaning up after yourself.”

Watch the personal attacks there, sport ;-)

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:36 am

“Evidently, he doesn’t realize that Jay doesn’t allow one person to use sock-puppets to talk to one another.”

Actually, I know someone who has more than once.

G Mare

August 27th, 2012
12:37 am

Back to the topic, Neil Armstrong showed us a way to be more than we ever expected to be. RIP! And may you be an inspiration to generations to come.

Towncrier

August 27th, 2012
12:38 am

I’m out. Gn all.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 27th, 2012
12:39 am

Actually, I know someone who has more than once.

Doubling down on teh stoopid.

All night long

August 27th, 2012
12:40 am

Fred

Do what you want. Don’t recall being instructed to check with you on a damn thing.

getalife

August 27th, 2012
12:42 am

Appreciate that crier.

Trust us like you trust romney.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
12:43 am

TC

I am not throwing stones at you. I am just saying that many here say that the poor are poor through their own fault.

Since I travel for my job it is difficult to work in my community.

Jm is a good example of one who did when he was in Atlanta.

G Mare

You are an example for us ALL to emulate

Janney

August 27th, 2012
12:43 am

Been coming and going tonight. Just caught up again.

Common Sense: It’s not a last name, it was given as a nickname to me many years ago!

G Mare: Have to agree about the “lady” thing. Woman is definitely the preferred. I especially recoil when people call us “girls” after we have clearly grown up and entered the adult world.

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
12:53 am

G Mare and Janney

I thought girls would be a complement to you YOUNG ladies?

I guess I was mistaken :-)

Janney

August 27th, 2012
12:57 am

I don’t take “lady” or “girl” personally, Common, especially since I know that you are not trying to insult us. It’s just a little thing that bothers me about society not allowing us to be grown “women”!

And with that, I think I will try to go to sleep. ‘Night all!

Ed

August 27th, 2012
12:58 am

Thulsa Doom is an idiot

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
1:02 am

Good Night All 5am is only a few hours away.

Janney

August 27th, 2012
1:03 am

Common Freaking Sense isn't very Common

August 27th, 2012
1:07 am

Sometimes TD makes sense, other times NOT.

:-)

skydog

August 27th, 2012
1:09 am

Hey `crier.

Your post are longer than the unibombers manifesto.
+++++++++++++++++

This pretty much proves women ARE smarter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5qx-wlAXWg

Oscar

August 27th, 2012
1:57 am

Janney

August 27th, 2012
12:57 am
++++++++++++

I can see that. Don’t like anyone calling me a boy other than my college of high school friends or maybe a couple of other good friends.
Everyone else, it’s man.
No genleman, either. Feel like I am being put down or I should be wearing a powered wig, stockings and wooden teeth. And riding a horse.

Live from the RNC in Tampa - Roll Call

August 27th, 2012
1:59 am

George W. Bush – - ABSENT

Big Names of GOP Left Offstage, And Not By Accident

August 27th, 2012
5:32 am

Some of the biggest names in politics will be missing from the stage during the Republican National Convention this week in Tampa, and that’s no accident. The Mitt Romney campaign is aiming to focus squarely on President Obama’s record and the GOP future rather than on polarizing figures and controversies from the past.

The idea is to portray a competent, forward-looking party—and that has translated into leaving out a recent president and vice president, some tea party stars, and most of the Republicans who only months ago were fighting Romney for the nomination. The absent former rivals include Rep. Michele Bachmann, who won the Iowa straw poll in 2011; former pizza magnate Herman Cain, who once led national polls during the primary race; Texas Gov. Rick Perry, viewed as a juggernaut before he ran; and retiring Rep. Ron Paul, who is getting a video tribute but no live address.

http://news.yahoo.com/big-names-gop-left-offstage-not-accident-220903530.html

dave

August 27th, 2012
6:17 am

Brad Steel, you just made my Monday.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 27th, 2012
6:19 am

Good morning all y’all…

Thought this might wake you up…

http://cheezburger.com/6535332608

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 27th, 2012
6:27 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 27th, 2012
6:28 am

Mick

August 27th, 2012
7:27 am

Charlie Crist endorses president obama, now there’s a former republican who has left the dark side and found the light! Keep em coming charlie, that party is a patheitic mess…

Janney

August 27th, 2012
7:32 am

Oscar
August 27, 2012
1:57 am

Thank you for the empathy. I’m always surprised that many don’t get that.

philosopher

August 27th, 2012
7:44 am

Thulsa- have a rough weekend? I’d like to think of some excuse for that inane statement. Sounded like something a nine year old would produce. This isn’t an argument about liberal vs conservative…it’s a tribute to a man who gave much and asked little. Please regroup and try again.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 27th, 2012
7:49 am

Oh Happy GOP Convention Week All!

http://cdn.styleforum.net/c/cd/350×348px-LL-cd5c793a_funny-animation-4.gif
“>Let’s get this party started!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 27th, 2012
7:51 am

Jay

August 27th, 2012
8:01 am

oldfart

August 27th, 2012
10:18 am

The television coverage of the death of one of the largest figures of the 20th century speaks volumes. Starting with NBC’s announcement of the death of the first man on the moon, “Neil Young” and followed by the fact that after the initial reports the story was relegated to the 3rd or 4th stage behind Isaac and the convention. Much larger coverage of the deaths of Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston remaining leads for a week or more is very telling for the sad state of television “journalism”.