Neil Armstrong, who took a giant leap for mankind

If.

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get

you are still up there with my hero’s

we all have challenges, but we all (at our ages) have gotten to the point in our lives that we care less about OUR future than others.

I have 19 grands and am very concerned about the fact that they will have a limited future under a regressive ruling party, IMO

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TC

Your latest post is the reason I read what you have to say.

There is too much redundancy in the functions of the Fed. Gov’t (waste).

It has been going on for years and until we the Independants find a way out of this mess we are screwed.

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“There is too much redundancy in the functions of the Fed. Gov’t (waste). It has been going on for years and until we the Independants find a way out of this mess we are screwed.”

CS, I think it is just too easy to spend money that is not your own or that can be borrowed – even at a personal level (just consider the rampant credit card debt people have as a whole). Those who grew up during the Depression came away with the attitude that if they didn’t have the money to buy something, they wouldn’t. I wish I had had that attitude all my life. We need to get back to that way of thinking, in our own lives and in government.

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TC

My parent were of that era and I grew up with that attitude.

With that said I still can’t understand the opinion that people should be homeless or starve.

That is a totally foreign concept to me.

I have worked full time since 1972 and I will willing work for however long to insure that no one will be left by the way side.

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Kam

what be those principal thingies?

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“With that said I still can’t understand the opinion that people should be homeless or starve. That is a totally foreign concept to me.”

I don’t know if it is an “opinion” that people “should be homeless or starve”. I think anyone with a heart doesn’t want to see that. But the question is this: who is responsible for helping these people? The Bible says “love your neighbor as yourself”. It does not say “insist the government take care of the needy”. And with respect to parents, the Bible says you should “honor your father and mother”. But the Jews of Jesus’ day supposed that giving money to the temple excused them from the obligation of taking care of their parents in their old age.

During the Depression, my grandmother had her own soup line for hungry people out of work. She took it upon herself to help those in need. I would really like to see us get back to that as a nation instead of ducking into our houses and never even talking to our neighbors.

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“But that means that you vote for a Democrat against Chambliss or Isakson in the general election.”

I see what you are saying. We, the voters, create an artificial term limit. But I should not have to do that if term limits were the law of the land. And if Norquist can create a pledge to not raise taxes, why can’t pledges be made to support term limits?

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…if term limits were the law of the land.

If unicorns crapped Skittles, then the Mars corporation would have a very large drain on their revenue stream.

But term limits are not the law of the land, and unicorns neither exist nor crap Skittles.

So the question still remains.

Do your “principle[s]” extend to voting for a Democrat against the incumbents Chambliss and Isakson in a general election?

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Where are Granny G, Midori, doggone/ga, USinUK when I need ‘em!?!?? I am takin’ names here, Guys.

Also believe most of the comments are with love. Right?

Would love to make a bunch of snarky comments re Isaac & the Rs, but truly can’t wish that kind of horror & destruction on anyone. Mostly….

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Krall? She can not hold a candle to Mr. Sinatra’s version of FLY ME TO THE MOON!

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… why won’t you agree that liberals and conservatives alike can insist that their candidates support term limits?

Term limits already exist, they’re called elections.

I’ve already illustrated that congressional reelection rates are in the 80-90% range, but it’s you that is whining about term limits. In fact, you went as far to say, “I see no reason they should not apply to the legislative branch as well. I am dismayed that, for example, in the Senate a single senator can tie up a bill in committee ad infinitum.”

But now you have moved the goalposts and you said there is something else that dismays you even more, “someone who supports gay marriage for instance.”

How many more times will you move the goalposts?

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Taken from what appears to be a conservative site, a summary of government actions during the Great Depression, some of which is factual, some of which is perceptual or possibly false. You can tell which is which easily enough. The point is to be reacquainted (or acquainted for the first time) with many of the key things the federal government did (unconstitutional or not, excessive or not. prudent or not) during the Great Depression. I really think that the next area of study is going to be an in depth analysis of what all was attempted or done during the GD as it bears on our current situation.

Hoover:

Upon taking office, immediately began reducing the money supply.
April, 1929: Started pushing for an increased tariff.
November, 1929: Expanded the public buildings program by $423 million under the theory that increased government spending would boost the economy.
November 19, 1929: Called a meeting of all railroad executives to goad them into a railroad construction binge, even though the bursting of railroad construction bubbles caused three depressions in the 19th century. $1 billion was pledged by the federal government for railroad construction. This was 30% of the entire budget.
November 21, 1929: Hoover met with Henry Ford, Julius Rosenwald (Sears), Pierre du Pont, Alfred Sloan (GM), and Julius Barnes (US Chamber of Commerce). Hoover strong-armed them to pledge not to lay- off or reduce wages of employees.
November 22, 1929: Met with labor leaders to encourage them to push for higher wages.
November 22, 1929: Met with construction executives to strong arm them into not laying off workers.
November 23, 1929: Telegraphed all state governors and many mayors to goad them into increasing spending on public works. Received the greatest support in this effort from New York Governor Roosevelt.
November 25, 1929: Met with agriculture executives and promised support.
November 27, 1929: Met with Utility executives to goad them into expanding the electric grid at a faster pace.
December 1929: Hoover submitted bills to congress to call for 1) the expansion of the merchant marine; 2) the regulation of the interstate distribution of electric power; 3) Consolidation of railroads; 4) development of public health services; 5) created a department for “the reorganization of the greater economy”.
December 1929: Hoover pledged to use the Executive Branch to broker the recovery.
Hoover forced all businesses to increase capital expenditures when they did not want to due to the downturn. He required companies to take a hit in profits. This further depressed the stock market. Many businesses were forced to shut down rather than lay off employees.
December 1929: Pushed congress to endorse huge public works spending.
December 1929: Ordered all state governors to increase public works spending.
December 1929: Hoover attempted to boost farm prices. Farm prices were depressed due to over-production as a result of production incentives advanced by Hoover in the early 1920’s when he was Commerce Secretary. The government lured the farmers into over-production.
December 1929: Former President Coolidge said “These are socialistic notions of government”. Hoover had been in the Harding and Coolidge cabinets. Coolidge campaigned against Hoover in the primary for being an excessive interventionist saying “Hoover gave me a lot of advice, all of it bad”. Also quoted as saying “Hoover has it backwards. High wages do not make prosperity. Prosperity makes high wages”.
Hoover promoted collusion among companies in violation of anti-trust laws.
1930: Public works spending at the highest level in 5 years.
June: 1930: Smoot-Hawley Act Increased Tariff to highest tariff levels in US history. Reduced imports by 40%. Reduced exports markedly. Reduced ability of other countries to pay debts to U.S.
Increased farm subsidies in order to raise farm prices. A return to the Gold Standard Mechanism would have relieved the farmers’ problems.
Forced wage controls and job sharing. Pressured companies to raise wages in a deflationary environment, causing corporations’ financials to deteriorate, and worsened downturn.
Federal share of GNP increased markedly from 1930 – 1931.
Revenue Act of 1932 – Largest peacetime tax increase in history doubled Federal income tax revenue. Top tax bracket increased from 24% to 63%. Reduced exemptions. Abolished earned income credit. Corporate taxes raised. Auto tax raised.
NCC – National Credit Corp – Big banks forced to lend to small banks to avoid foreclosure.
Reconstruction Finance Corp subsidized politically influential businesses.
Federal Home Loan Bank Act was passed to spur new home construction, causing real estate bubble.
Emergency Relief Construction Act authorized excessive funds for public works.
Check Tax charged 2 cents for every check written (30 cents in today’s dollars).
Huge budget deficit weakened economy.
Attempted to pass laws making short selling unlawful.
Attempted to bail out German debts by calling for a moratorium on interest payments.
Hoover said Depression was aggravated by “People giving up jobs so they can make more money gouging people with high prices for apples”.

FDR:

Devalued dollar by 40% in the first 100 days.
First FDR budget had $10 billion in spending, $3 billion revenue.
Federal expenditures rose by 83% and debt rose by 73% from 1933 – 1936.
Forced bank holiday for 9 days. Resulted in 5000 banks failing to reopen, 2000 of which were permanently closed.
Treasury Dept. defaulted on its promise of honoring gold backed bonds.
Treasury Dept. defaulted on its promise of redeeming paper money for gold.
Socialist Security Act created legal Ponzi scheme. Treasury Secretary Morganthau advised FDR against the passage of the Socialist Security Act saying “The program will be broke by 1980. I cannot put this burden on future Treasury Secretaries.”
Works Progress Administration gave jobs based on political patronage.
National Recovery Act (NRA) – Forced companies into cartels in violation of anti-trust laws. Regulated prices. Raised taxes. 500 codes controlled production. NRA headed by Hugh Johnson, who was an admirer of Mussolini. Industrial production dropped 25% within 6 months of passage. Poultry retailer Schechter of Brooklyn was charged under NRA and jailed for lowering poultry prices from the mandated 21 cents per pound to 19 cents per pound. Schechter case brought to Supreme Court. Supreme Court found in favor of Schechter. NRA declared unconstitutional by Supreme Court. The Supreme Court forced the NRA to drop 500 court cases.
Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) forced farmers to plow under crops and kill livestock to be buried in mass graves. Paid farmers not to work. Initiated new tax on agricultural processors. Only helped large farms. Caused food prices to go up at a time when many people could not afford enough food. Artificially increasing food prices was FDR’s method of “reducing deflation”. Outlawed by Supreme Court.
United States Housing Authority bailed out people from their mortgages.
Civilian Conservation Corp. created make-work jobs to improve employment data, weakening economy.
Excessively increased regulatory powers of FTC.
Fair Standards Act created minimum wage increasing unemployment. Caused 500,000 Blacks to be laid off.
Moved the control of the money supply from the New York Federal Reserve to the Washington Federal Reserve which increased the political influence of the money supply.
Retroactively made it illegal to take advantage of legal tax loopholes.
Nominated known bootlegger, stock swindler and inside trader to lead the Security and Exchange Commission, Joseph Kennedy. When asked why he had tapped such a crook, FDR replied, “Takes one to catch one”.
TVA created government-owned and subsidized utility in violation of Constitution. Forced private utilities out of business. Wiped out $650 million in market cap of southern utilities.
Public Utilities Holding Co. Act outlawed public utility holding companies.
Frazier – Lemke Act limited the ability of banks to reposess property. Declared unconstitutional by Supreme Court.
Charged former Treasury Secretary Mellon for taking too many tax deductions. The trial concluded that Mellon’s deductions were all legal and that he didn’t take advantage of all the deductions that he was entitled to. FDR was found to have taken illegal deductions, but charges were never filed.
Executive Order 6102 confiscated gold of every citizen and paid them $20 per ounce. Later increased the exchange rate to $32 per ounce. Made it illegal for people to own gold. Found to be unconstitutional by Supreme Court, but Roosevelt ignored order.
Works Progress Administration gave jobs to politically connected. Forced workers to collect campaign contributions for Democrats.
In 1936 Federal spending surpassed all state and local spending for the first time, increasing by 50% as a percentage of the GNP.
National debt increased from 16% of GNP to 32% of GNP.
Initiated 5% tax on dividends.
Wagner Act of 1937. Took labor disputes out of the courts and into the NLRB, whose members were packed with pro labor socialists by FDR in violation of constitutional checks and balances. The NLRB became prosecutor, judge, and jury in labor disputes. Workers were not allowed the freedom to get rid of a union, once a union was voted in. Union workers were allowed to shut out non-union workers. FDR encouraged the unions to commit acts of violence by saying “The refusal of employers to allow workers to organize will lead to strikes and industrial strife”. FDR passed this as retribution for the Supreme Court outlawing the AAA and NRA. It became unlawful for any company to resist any demand from labor unions. Labor union membership increased 10-fold in one year. This resulted in labor unions going on a frenzy of threats, boycotts, strikes, and seizures of plant and widespread violence. Resulted in reduced productivity and increased unemployment. Caused “Depression of 1937 – the Depression within a Depression”.
FDR passed an executive order to tax all income over $25,000 at 100%, but was struck down by congress.
FDR proposed a 99.5% federal Income Tax on all income over $100,000 per year. Struck down by congress.
Personal Income tax top rate raised to 91%.
Steel mill capacity dropped from 83% to 35% during 1937. When this news was released, FDR was on a 9 day fishing trip.
Undistributed Profits tax of 1937, increased corporate taxes. This was in response to companies hoarding cash and postponing capital expenditures due to political uncertainty. According to the Boston Herald: “The Undistributed Profits Tax will deepen the depression by leaving companies unable to save for a downturn forcing them to lay off more workers, and suspend dividends”.
Tried to pack the Supreme Court with 5 additional judges in violation of constitutional checks and balances. Capital investment declined markedly until this issue was resolved.
Members of FDR administration published a book entitled “Nine Old Men” which was a smear of the existing members of the Supreme Court, calling them the “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”. The book was an unconstitutional attempt to control the Supreme Court.
Treasury Secretary Morganthau admitted in 1939 that the New Deal was a failure. A poll in 1939 blamed FDR for prolonging the Depression by a 2:1 margin.
US became unnecessarily involved in WW2 in Europe in violation of George Washington’s warning concerning the avoidance of European alliances. Should have instead remained neutral and watched Germany and the USSR beat each other into another Dark Age. Winston Churchill later declared that the war was unnecessary. The war caused the Great Depression to be replaced by a wartime economic bubble which resulted in inflation peaking at 6% per month.
Attempted to manipulate the entire economy by imposing artificial wage and price controls.
Sold war bonds to finance the war so the next administration would have to pay for the war.
Assisted the USSR in the take-over of half of Europe, causing the initiation of the Cold War which substantially increased Federal defense spending for decades, reducing net economic activity.
Allowed Hawaii to be attacked by Japan. Should have increased defenses to a greater degree and should not have given away so many arms to the UK. War with Japan could have been avoided if the invading Japanese fleet were destroyed before attacking Hawaii, as it was in the Battle of Midway.

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G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:26 pm

Krall? She can not hold a candle to Mr. Sinatra’s version of FLY ME TO THE MOON!
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Opinions vary. She sang AND played the piano. What did he play except the field?

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Common F, yes! I am no longer much
into organized religion, but I believe Jesus said something about the least among us. Also, “see these Christians how they love one another.” But, but, but prom queens at whole foods buying steaks…. Puleese!

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TC

I read comments however I do not post much at all.

You are certainly one that has a patern of moving goal posts.

Evident that you are intelligent but in many cases you are not intellictualy honest.

But I am sure you are aware of that even if unwilling to admit it.

All you have to do is reread your own post to see how you duck and dodge, yet want to hold others to another standard when they are debating you.

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But, but, but prom queens at whole foods buying steaks…. Puleese!

No, no, no, no, no!

It’s welfare queens at Whole Foods buying prom dresses and steaks.

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G Mare

Raised Catholic (as if I remember you were) it is tough to be connected with the religion of our younger years,

But I do remember the caring for those less fortunate.

Those include family members and those not in my family.

Call me a bleeding heart if you will, BUT I AM WHAT I AM

Call me POPEYE THE SAILOR MAN

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Diana Krall?

A two-time Grammy award winning jazz pianist married to Elvis Costello.

A blonde, but I’m willing to overlook that ’cause of her talent.

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Janney

Thanks

Is that a family name? I knew some Janney’s when I was younger.

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Town

Those definitions do not in any form or fashion stop you from imposing term limits.

You talk in theory but have only excuses as to why you do not already do this.

Nothing is stoping you.

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So, because you don’t understand the meaning of term limits…

Nope.

Term limits by whatever definitions don’t exist.

You are moving the goalposts ’cause you first say that term limits are important.

Then when confronted with the fact that term limits don’t exist and in order to stand on “principle” you must needs vote for a Democrat against a Republican in the general election, you get all mealy-mouthed and play the gay marriage card.

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Town

I am a 100 percent write in for Congress and President.

Why are you doing what you do best? You want to pin down others but will run around like a child to avoid answering questions pertaining to something you brought up.

Bottom line, you talk a bigger game than you walk.

Even you know it.

Pathetic

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The Pragmatic in Congress do not get re-elected the extremists are the ones who get the headlines.

The country is so polarised that only those that play to the extremes get elected.

A practical pragmatic congress critter is not electible

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Town

You are weak and deep down you know it.

No one would ever mistake you for a leader on anything excpet hypocrisy and dodge ball

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G Mare

August 26th, 2012
11:47 pm

Fred, the man could SING. Was he moral according to some? Probably not, but the that man could SONG! Then there is that fact that you have heard of Sinatra & I have never heard of Ms Krall.
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So the fact that I am better rounded and more educated in music is somehow a negative thing? Really? Does that mean I’m stupid if I’ve read more books than you too lol?

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“Moving the goalposts yet again.”

I know remember why I don’t engage you in debate as a rule. You seem unable to carry on a logical discourse.

Good luck to you, buddy.

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Here is your answer:

Audit the Pentagon.

rand paul’s idea.

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My parting thought: if someone is posting under a variety of different names (like I suspect someone here is), how can you disprove that hypothesis? One way is to see if they post at the same time ever. If not….then stylistic considerations, depth of thought and the like come into play.

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“My family comes first.”

Good. i have no problem with that

“After my family comes friends in need…”

Okay.

“…then the community as a whole.”

There are several ways one can help others – by contributing time. treasure and/or talent. I asked you what you have personally done to help others in the community (as I have many times). I don’t understand why you didn’t give me a straight answer. If you haven’t done much to help others, then why in the world do you expect me at the force of gunpoint (as opposed to letting me choose who and how I help)?

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Town

Don’t pout. You got twisted around in your own bullcrap.

No one’s fault except your own.

Poor old Town.

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TC

I understand the need for term limits, but effective leadership is tough to come by.

If the members of Congress are making progress why replace them?

It is the stagnation of the congress critters and the senators that is causing the lack of progess, how will you vote to end that?

Will you vote TP and cause more stagnation or will you vote to end the stalemate? Your Choice

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Oh, not to mention patriarchy, misogyny, & pedophilia. My mom, bless her memory, tried to pray me back to The Church; I told her I would consider it when The Church ordained a woman. Mom didn’t like that answer, but I think she “got it”. She also realized that, as she told me in her last years, that she could no longer consider herself a Christian if she could not embrace & include Black people. She died at 91, vowing to vote for President Obama. I think I have told this before here, but I also think it bears repeating. If we look into our hearts & remember what we learned as youngsters, how can we not “be our brothers keepers, not do into the least among us.” And how can we buy into steaks & prom dresses? Are there cheats at the bottom? Yes. But there are also cheats at the top. Mr. Romney, show,us your tax returns!

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Yes getalife, crybaby has confused the two of us. (And I am not offended)

Evidently, he doesn’t realize that Jay doesn’t allow one person to use sock-puppets to talk to one another.

Crybaby also has trouble walking back his illogical crap.

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“Evidently, he doesn’t realize that Jay doesn’t allow one person to use sock-puppets to talk to one another.”

Actually, I know someone who has more than once.

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I’m out. Gn all.

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Fred

Do what you want. Don’t recall being instructed to check with you on a damn thing.

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TC

I am not throwing stones at you. I am just saying that many here say that the poor are poor through their own fault.

Since I travel for my job it is difficult to work in my community.

Jm is a good example of one who did when he was in Atlanta.

G Mare

You are an example for us ALL to emulate

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G Mare and Janney

I thought girls would be a complement to you YOUNG ladies?

I guess I was mistaken

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Thulsa Doom is an idiot

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Ed, yep!

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Hey `crier.

Your post are longer than the unibombers manifesto.
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This pretty much proves women ARE smarter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5qx-wlAXWg

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George W. Bush – - ABSENT

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Brad Steel, you just made my Monday.

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http://cheezburger.com/6529680640

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Charlie Crist endorses president obama, now there’s a former republican who has left the dark side and found the light! Keep em coming charlie, that party is a patheitic mess…

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Thulsa- have a rough weekend? I’d like to think of some excuse for that inane statement. Sounded like something a nine year old would produce. This isn’t an argument about liberal vs conservative…it’s a tribute to a man who gave much and asked little. Please regroup and try again.

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http://cdn.styleforum.net/c/cd/350×348px-LL-cd5c793a_funny-animation-4.gif

Ok, let’s try that again.

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The television coverage of the death of one of the largest figures of the 20th century speaks volumes. Starting with NBC’s announcement of the death of the first man on the moon, “Neil Young” and followed by the fact that after the initial reports the story was relegated to the 3rd or 4th stage behind Isaac and the convention. Much larger coverage of the deaths of Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston remaining leads for a week or more is very telling for the sad state of television “journalism”.

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