Huckabee exposes hypocrisy of GOP leaders on abortion
Mike Huckabee, perhaps the most prominent leader of the GOP’s evangelical wing, has come out strongly in defense of U.S. Rep. Todd Akin, the party’s nominee for U.S. Senate in Missouri. Here’s a portion of the email that Huckabee sent out to his followers:
The Party’s leaders have for reasons that aren’t rational, left (Akin) behind on the political battlefield, wounded and bleeding, a casualty of his self-inflicted, but not intentional wound. In a Party that supposedly stands for life, it was tragic to see the carefully orchestrated and systematic attack on a fellow Republican. Not for a moral failure or corruption or a criminal act, but for a misstatement which he contritely and utterly repudiated.
I was shocked by GOP leaders and elected officials who rushed so quickly to end the political life of a candidate over a mistaken comment in an interview. This was a serious mistake, but it was blown out of proportion not by the left, but by Akin’s own Republican Party. Is this what the party really thinks of principled pro-life advocates? Do we forgive and forget the verbal gaffes of Republicans who are “conveniently pro-life” for political advantage, but crucify one who truly believes that every life is sacred?
Who ordered this “Code Red” on Akin? There were talking point memos sent from the National Republican Senatorial Committee suggesting language to urge Akin to drop out. Political consultants were ordered to stay away from Akin or lose future business with GOP committees. Operatives were recruited to set up a network of pastors to call Akin to urge him to get out. Money has changed hands to push him off the plank. It is disgraceful.
From the spotlights of political offices and media perches, it may appear that the demand for Akin’s head is universal in the party. I assure you it is not. There is a vast, but mostly quiet army of people who have an innate sense of fairness and don’t like to see a fellow political pilgrim bullied. If Todd Akin loses the Senate seat, I will not blame Todd Akin. He made his mistake, but was man enough to admit it and apologize. I’m waiting for the apology from whoever the genius was on the high pedestals of our party who thought it wise to not only shoot our wounded, but run over him with tanks and trucks and then feed his body to the liberal wolves. It wasn’t just Todd Akin that was treated with contempt by the thinly veiled attack on Todd Akin. It was all the people who have faithfully knocked doors, made calls, and made sacrificial contributions to elect Republicans because we thought we were welcome in the party. Todd Akin owned his mistake. Who will step up and admit the effort being made to discredit Akin and apologize for the sleazy way it’s been handled?
Without in any way minimizing Akin’s rhetoric, there’s a lot of truth in Huckabee’s screed. The congressman’s position on rape and abortion is not by any means out of line with that of the Republican Party mainstream. The 2012 party platform calls for a ban on abortion, with no provision for exceptions in cases of rape and incest. It also calls for recognition in law that human life begins at the moment of conception, a position that precludes the right to choose for rape and incest victims.
As Huckabee understands, Akin is being ostracized by his party not for what he believes, but for stating what he believes too bluntly, and for calling attention to things that party elders want to keep hidden. It is telling, for instance, that Mitt Romney’s campaign is refusing to allow reporters to interview him unless they agree beforehand not to ask questions about abortion.
The GOP establishment wants the loyalty of the pro-life movement without the political baggage that comes with it among the general public. And it is bitterly angry with Akin because he has made it difficult to achieve those contradictory goals.
– Jay Bookman
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
11:02 am
As Huckabee understands, Akin is being ostracized by his party not for what he believes, but for stating what he believes too bluntly
Actually Akin is being ostracized by his party for what the Republican Party claims is its platform… but you are correct, the GOP has met another pitard.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:03 am
As Huckabee understands, Akin is being ostracized by his party not for what he believes, but for stating what he believes too bluntly, and for calling attention to things that party elders want to keep hidden.
Well Jay — it’s not the dog with the bone, it’s the dong with the bong. IOW — NOTHING republicans say, do or relate makes any damn sense so what’s the difference?
It is telling, for instance, that Mitt Romney’s campaign is refusing to allow reporters to interview him unless they agree beforehand not to ask questions about abortion.
then if they were actually CREDIBLE journalists, then they wouldn’t interview him. If all the journalists stick together, (not FAux news — there aren’t any real journalists there); then i’d bet his campaign management team would change their minds really quick. THEY need those interviews more than those journalists do.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:04 am
oh heck! Jam beat me to being #1 again!! Boooo! Boooo!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
11:09 am
A Republican running for county sheriff in New Hampshire is facing calls to leave the race after he suggested it is acceptable to use deadly force to stop a doctor from performing an abortion…Sentiments like Szabo’s set a dangerous precedent. He is not alone in thinking that doctors should be blocked from providing legal abortion services — Republicans have proposed several bills that would create penalties for abortion providers — but his statements appear to a violent anger. Doctors have actually been killed, hurt, and stalked by anti-abortion advocates.
East Lake Ira
August 24th, 2012
11:10 am
Huck is just trying to establish his place in the talk show pecking order. He want’s to supplant Rush but he’ll end up lumped in with the second and third tier like Boortz, Levin and Liddy.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:12 am
Since I was ALMOST first before Jam hit that “submit comment” button; I would like to ahead and accept my purity pledge pin from the establishment:
I pledge — to always love the fetus and hate the child
I pledge — to use code words when speaking about Obama. I’ll call him names like “uppity” and “naive” every chance I get. My
mastermentors Rush and the other fat boy — serial cheating wife dumper, showed me how to do it.I pledge to deny that there is any Jim Crowe. However, i will also pledge to NEVER tell that there IS a James Crowe Esquire.
I pledge to be a willing soldier to the cult of Repuglicanism by marching against all things that are good for me and my country.
I pledge to decry things like – equal pay for equal work; sex education in schools; and any school teachings that don’t relate to the bible. Things like history, mathmatics, science, (especially science); and high school gym are ALL symbols of demonic intervention.
I am a Repuglican. I pledge to be stoooopid and ill informed all the days of my life.
Amen.
Jay
August 24th, 2012
11:13 am
Ira, I give Huckabee credit for sincerity on this, and actually on a lot of things. I think he’s sincerely wrong and in some cases — Israel comes to mind — sincerely foolish on many policy questions, but for the most part I think he’s honest. More so than most politicians, anyway.
Fearful!
August 24th, 2012
11:13 am
The party needs to own up to Mitt or Mitt needs to own up to the party. Mitt Romeny is the leader now of the party – he can change their platform if he chooses. The fact that he has not, speaks volumes and I hope all woman are listening.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
11:15 am
Madge, I am not Jam.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:15 am
Without in any way minimizing Akin’s rhetoric, there’s a lot of truth in Huckabee’s screed.
Just goes to show that the only politician that will speak the truth is the one not asking for your vote. Look at Jeb Bush, GHW Bush, and others who have spoken out with statements that run counter to what the GOP puts out.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
11:16 am
The 2012 party platform calls for a ban on abortion, with no provision for exceptions in cases of rape and incest. It also calls for recognition in law that human life begins at the moment of conception, a position that precludes the right to choose for rape and incest victims.
And yet people will vote for this horrific political crime ring whose very ideology is defined by “leaders” (and voters) with poisoned hearts and feeble minds.
Or more tersely, stuck on stupid…
Get me Rex Kramer
August 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Jay just like the centrist dems, we moderate republicans must deal with the more radical members of our party. You are wrong if you think that the majority of republicans agree on opposing abortions in case of rape or incest. Most moderate republicans, of which I consider myself a part of, don’t share Akin’s views on this matter. I used to lean pro-choice, but that is harder for me to do now that I am raising two young sons. Your perpective tends to change when you get older and become a parent.
By the way, where is the criticism from you on the dems who also voted yes on Akins bill in the house? It isn’t just republicans that share Akins point of view.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:16 am
The fact is, they see women as second-class citizens:
Paul Weyrich: “I believe that if you have to choose between new life and existing life, you should choose new life. The person who has had an opportunity to live at least has been given that gift by God and should make way for new life on earth.”
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Doctors have actually been killed, hurt, and stalked by anti-abortion advocates
And yet these same warriors for Christ who believe so strongly in biblical teachings; forgot that part that said, “Thou Shalt Not Kill” and replaced it with:
“Thou killest only peoplest that thouest party sayest to killeth”.
Amen.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
11:16 am
My last post was kind of bold, huh?
LOL…
East Lake Ira
August 24th, 2012
11:17 am
Jay – Don’t doubt the sincerity either – he is wacky. The only reason this is getting any play is due to Huck’s new talk show. Were he just a talking head on FOX or CNN, he’d be lambasted and then ignored.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:18 am
You are wrong if you think that the majority of republicans agree on opposing abortions in case of rape or incest. Most moderate republicans, of which I consider myself a part of, don’t share Akin’s views on this matter.
Your continued and unwaivering support for a party platform that puts those messages out is a complicit agreement with those principles. If you are true about your convictions, you won’t support those who don’t share your convictions.
Fearful!
August 24th, 2012
11:18 am
I’m so disappointed I have to be on a flight to Buffalo and will miss FNM. It is something I have come to really enjoy, sitting on my porch with a glass of wine while my dog looks at me like I’m crazy! Whoever is this week’s author, I’ll try to pick it up while having my beef on wick, and glass of wine.
Until then, keep up the fight, we have to win THIS election.
Jay
August 24th, 2012
11:19 am
Rex, I’m sure that moderate Republicans don’t share that belief.
Now … how much power do moderate Republicans wield in your party these days? Who in public life is even willing to admit being a moderate Republican?
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:19 am
Oh Keep I’m so sorry — you and Jam look so much alike! It must be the way you both do your hair or something.
My bad.
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 24th, 2012
11:20 am
Not sure how an earlier post got lost but here’s a second try.
The Republican Party is now a part of faith. They do not use human reasoning to make decisions, they use only their faith. This is a very dangerous path for our nation to be on because we will end up being no better (or even worse) then those groups in the Middle East that are regularly condemned by these same religious types.
H. G. Pennypacker
August 24th, 2012
11:21 am
Yet another topic that Romney feels is better discussed in a quiet room.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
11:22 am
Hey, Madge! At this point in my life, I’m just glad to still have a full head of hair…
Too bad I missed all of the neocon nonsense downstairs.
Talk about a self-destructive lot…
Freedom Riders 2012
August 24th, 2012
11:22 am
What WAR on women?
Bernie
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
You Gotta Love The Republicans! when they Crash and Burn……they Burn Baby!
These are the 1950’s republicans, throwing a Hissy Fit and there is nothing the RNC can do!
I’d prefer just to sit and watch. This group of Republicans Love the Fetus but Hate the child. To them, there is difference in RAPE! Believe me, on that one.
They are just speaking the mind, of what the majority believe, but too afraid to say it public ally. The ones who do not believe in such nonsense are the rich and the educated. They know better! Unfortunately, that group has the smallest number of supporters. What that Group does have is , Ironically, it has the greatest power of persuasion……MONEY!
So its going to take some time to work a few issues out. Meanwhile, the President will continue with the punching away at the Lies that are being hurled by ” The PROUD ONE.”
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
You are wrong if you think that the majority of republicans agree on opposing abortions in case of rape or incest.
However you can’t be arsed to do something when they put a total ban in the party platform, or make all abortion unavailable by various laws.
Own your crazies, Rex. This we-don’t-believe-in-what-they’re-doing crap is the last refuge of scoundrels. Or the highly impotent, take your pick.
Get me Rex Kramer
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
That is a ridiculous comment that they view women as second class citizens. Who is they? Would you like it if the democratic party were lumped into the same category as say our own famous former congress woman Cynthia McKinney???
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
“Who in public life is even willing to admit being a moderate Republican?”
scott brown.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
Who in public life is even willing to admit being a moderate Republican?
Bosch’s Goddesses.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
I dunno, but it seems to this sailor that the GOP ship is breaking itself up on its ideological shoals…I would say “women and children to the lifeboats first”, but they don’t think that way…
TBone
August 24th, 2012
11:23 am
Hypocrisy? SO the democrats have cornered the market on hypocrisy? If anyone out there has never said one thing and done another, stand up and be counted. Otherwise accept the fact that we are pretty much all hypocrites.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:24 am
“That is a ridiculous comment that they view women as second class citizens. Who is they? ”
who is THEY???
I suggest you look at your party platform – THEY is anyone who supports THAT
CJ
August 24th, 2012
11:24 am
The congressman’s position on rape and abortion is not by any means out of line with that of the Republican Party mainstream.
The congressman’s position on rape and abortion is not by any means out of line with that of Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan.
Romney has said that he “absolutely” supports a personhood amendment with would allow legislation without exceptions for rape, incest, or life/health of the mother. Such an amendment would also allow legislation banning IVF and certain forms of contraception. (Actually, like most issues, Romney has taken both sides of this issue as well–one side for his Republican base and another side for everybody else. Inexplicably, many in the mainstream press seem to be taking his word on the more moderate approach and ignoring his words declaring his more “severely conservative” approach.)
On the other hand, when pressed, Paul Ryan admits that he doesn’t want abortion exceptions of any kind. However, he argues that his position on this issue don’t matter because, well, it’s not has if he’s running for President. http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/24/13456027-oops-ryan-did-it-again?lite
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:25 am
By the way, where is the criticism from you on the dems who also voted yes on Akins bill in the house? It isn’t just republicans that share Akins point of view.
Please name them! I’d like to start a “Don’t re-elect Neanderthals” voting drive.
It’s for the good of the country.
Amen.
Bernie
August 24th, 2012
11:25 am
Madge From Accounting @ 11:12 am – That was GREAT!
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!
Get me Rex Kramer
August 24th, 2012
11:26 am
I will own my crazies when you own yours aqua girl. Just because people vote republican does not mean we blidly follow what some people want to say is the offical platform.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:26 am
THEY are anyone who support THIS:
THE SANCTITY AND DIGNITY OF HUMAN LIFEFaithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.
so, let’s forget about the WOMAN’S Rights … the right of the FETUS supercede it
Freedom Riders 1961
August 24th, 2012
11:26 am
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/freedomriders/
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
11:26 am
yeah, they hate women so much, their trying to keep all future women from being aborted…nice.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:29 am
Just because people vote republican does not mean we blidly follow what some people want to say is the offical platform.
If you’re voting for a candidate, that vote is an agreement with that person’s principles, whether you think it is or not. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Green Party candidate. Who votes for someone with whom they disagree with?
the cat
August 24th, 2012
11:30 am
If the following doesn’t scare one I’m not sure what will:
But, he adds, his perspective isn’t terribly important, because he’d only be vice president, and Romney isn’t inclined to be as extreme as Ryan is. It’s not like vice presidents ever get elevated to the presidency, right? (Nine of the nation’s 44 chief executives were vice presidents who got elevated to the presidency during their term.)
Here’s a follow-up question for those with access to Ryan: if tragedy were to strike and you became president at some point during the next four years, how would you intend to shape policy to force rape victims to take their pregnancies to term?
.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:30 am
Dear Governor Huckabee –
Here’s what you don’t understand. Your pet issue is a loser for the Republican Party. Your fellow party members know this, and that’s why they’ve cast Akin out.
Your party will never win with a total ban on abortion as one of its planks. I’m sorry if that troubles you, but that’s just the way it is.
Love,
Joe H. Mama
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:30 am
“yeah, they hate women so much, their trying to keep all future women from being aborted…nice.”
Bollocks.
they hate women so much, they’re treating us like brood mares – FORCING people to stay pregnant if raped (even by a family member)
bitching and moaning about how women should take more personal responsibility and take birth control, then doing all they can to throw up every barrier to THAT as possible
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
11:31 am
Regardless of his honesty on his stone-age postion on abortion..it seems to me that there is no way a constitutional amendment will be passed the majority of states to change this….that’s a good thing as I think this issue gets too much attention similar to stumbling verbiage and gay marriage…
I think we should eliminate the tax favored situation with the church…they seem to be using the savings to support cro-magna positions…
H. G. Pennypacker
August 24th, 2012
11:31 am
Akin picked up much of his rudimentary misunderstanding of medical science from the teachings of Jack Willke, (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9493653/US-election-Mitt-Romney-met-Todd-Akin-doctor-John-Willke-during-2012-campaign.html). As one can read from this link, Gov. Romney met with and received the endorsement from this same Doctor. If the Governor really found Akin’s beliefs to be wrong, should he not disavow Dr. Willke’s endorsement?
What a tangled web we weave……
Skip
August 24th, 2012
11:32 am
I’m a moderate Republican, that’s why I vote Democrat.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
11:32 am
BRO,
Disagree…do you agree with 100% of either parties agenda’s? Am I misunderstanding your post?
F. Sinkwich
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
Jay continues the DNC meme…
In support of its messaging effort, today’s dead tree version of the AJC fell in line.
Did ya know that the Mittster had a policy speech on energy yesterday? Well, the AJC was happy to publish an article about it on page A3. Included therein, an article about energy mind you, were no fewer than four references to abortion.
In an effort at balance, the headline of the article below was, “Olens: Abortion plank not extreme.”
Lol.
Jay, please check your DNC messaging calendar for me. When does the “Mormonism is a Cult” campaign begin?
Thanks.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
Give it a rest Jay….good thing you are not focused on the economy and unemployment that are totally in the tank….nice try at vectoring off the real issues…intelligent folks are not biting..
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
Fearful — “I’m so disappointed I have to be on a flight to Buffalo”
Oh, I completely sympathize. I’m disappointed for you too.
the cat
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
I am absolutely for any house of “faith” to lose their tax free status especially the ones with politics in the pulpit.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
“As one can read from this link, Gov. Romney met with and received the endorsement from this same Doctor. If the Governor really found Akin’s beliefs to be wrong, should he not disavow Dr. Willke’s endorsement?”
forget that … Ryan looks at Romney’s “no abortion unless in the case of rape and incest” as A GOOD FIRST STEP
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
The fact is, they see women as second-class citizens
A woman IS a second class citizen! I the bible, Eve didn’t even get her own ribs when God created her — she just got an old worn out used one that Adam had lying around and didn’t need. If that’s not 2nd class then what is? Duh!
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Jam — have no fear You’re still cute though; that’s all that matters!
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That is a ridiculous comment that they view women as second class citizens. Who is they? ”
They is YOU. Hope that clears everything up.
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Would you like it if the democratic party were lumped into the same category as say our own famous former congress woman Cynthia McKinney???
Well, not to be funny or anything (smirk); but i bet cynthia knew where babies came from. HINT: The answer is not from the cabbage patch of absolute idiocy. OR under the drawbridge of ridiculousness.
Amen.
Thomas Heyward Jr
August 24th, 2012
11:34 am
“Huckabee exposes hypocrisy of GOP leaders on abortion”
.
No comment from Drone-Dawg Obama on Civil Liberties.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
11:35 am
TBONE,
Its funny how in all aspects of life just how much time and energy goes to pointing out the hypocrisy in others….Too bad it’s no ok to make mistakes or, upon further thought, change your position..
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:35 am
Tbone — “Hypocrisy? SO the democrats have cornered the market on hypocrisy? If anyone out there has never said one thing and done another, stand up and be counted. Otherwise accept the fact that we are pretty much all hypocrites.”
Perhaps the most distilled instance of Tu Quoque I have ever seen on this blog.
CJ
August 24th, 2012
11:35 am
Did ya know that the Mittster had a policy speech on energy yesterday?
I’m familiar with that speech. I’ll summarize here for those who missed it–
“Drill, baby, drill!”
the cat
August 24th, 2012
11:36 am
F. sink-most intelligent folks get their news from more than one source. Try it sometime.
F. Sinkwich
August 24th, 2012
11:33 am
Jay continues the DNC meme…
In support of its messaging effort, today’s dead tree version of the AJC fell in line.
Did ya know that the Mittster had a policy speech on energy yesterday? Well, the AJC was happy to publish an article about it on page A3. Included therein, an article about energy mind you, were no fewer than four references to abortion.
In an effort at balance, the headline of the article below was, “Olens: Abortion plank not extreme.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
11:37 am
MADGE,
What does the bible have to do with this? Anyhow, the good news is, as I learned on Colbert (oddly), the women are now primary providers in more families than not….they should make the decision on abortion with men having no say whatsoever..
Stonethrower
August 24th, 2012
11:38 am
If you want a view of the real one issue (anti-abortion) Repubican party, come to the state of Kansas west of Lawrence!
Get me Rex Kramer
August 24th, 2012
11:38 am
Jay, thanks for acknowledging that not all GOP members take the same view on this. The problem is that both parties are being controlled by members who are either far left or far right. If you had enough moderate dems and republicans in congress, then I truly believe things could get done. If you put Bill Clinton and George Bush in a room together, I think we would all be surprised how much they could agree on and accomplish.
Get me Rex Kramer
August 24th, 2012
11:38 am
Jay, thanks for acknowledging that not all GOP members take the same view on this. The problem is that both parties are being controlled by members who are either far left or far right. If you had enough moderate dems and republicans in congress, then I truly believe things could get done. If you put Bill Clinton and George Bush in a room together, I think we would all be surprised how much they could agree on and accomplish.
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
11:39 am
Huckabee would have been
a better pick for VP than
Ryan but if the religious
right does not respond to
R/R they are over. Huckabee
can split the party. He may
like the Baptist Obama and
stay home.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
11:39 am
JOE,
Great word…had to go to the dictionary for that Tu Quoque…I was wondering what croque had to do with this..
ghostcommander
August 24th, 2012
11:40 am
Why has Huckabee become such a big time hypocrite, demagogue, and Lunatic? Is he still a preacher?
Is this Huckabee speaking or is it a contributor to Fox Fraudcasting?
Todd “Legitimate rape” Akin deserves no support from anyone. What is wrong with these Zombies that still support him?
Are these supporters dishonorable men that have no respect for their mother, wife, or daughter?
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
11:40 am
UsinUk,
no, it’s much deeper than that. There are deep philosophical differences between when life is created and what rights to which that life should be afforded. I am “pro abortion”(should be legal and a choice afforded to all women), but I can certainly respect the other sides’ philosophical differences. The “pro-life/anti abortion” side is arguing for the rights of all “lifes” as they see it. I can respect that and disagree with it at the same side.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
11:41 am
Just because people vote republican does not mean we blidly follow what some people want to say is the offical platform.
Honey, the people “saying” that’s in the platform are REPUBLICANS.
You are a typical Republican, perfectly aware people are getting screwed over, but completely unconcerned because it’s not you. Saying “mm-hmm, I don’t agree with that” makes it magically all better.
Bad news, Rex, people smell that stink coming off your party. Latinos, women, pretty much everybody but the shrinking little demographic pool of angry white guys. We don’t live in the world in your head, where your magical intentions reside.
Adam
August 24th, 2012
11:42 am
Who in public life is even willing to admit being a moderate Republican?
Re-quoted and re-asked. I want to know the answer to this.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 24th, 2012
11:42 am
A Few Good Republicans
Rove: You want answers
Huckabee: I want the truth
Rove: You want the truth, you can’t handle the truth
Rove: We live in a world ….. yada yada yada
Huckabee: Did you order the code red
Rove: You’re damn straight I did
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
11:42 am
Romney and Ryan have made it quite clear that Akin’s views are reprehensible and unacceptable.
Huckabee is a talk show host.
Have Obama/Biden denounced the “putting you people back in chains” comment. No. Hypocritical.
Has Obama returned the $1 million donation from that scumbag Bill Maher (also a talk show host)? No. What a joke.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
11:43 am
They can’t run their own lives or the gov’t . The GOP is poor use of air.
the cat
August 24th, 2012
11:43 am
I can’t stand the term pro-abortion. It is pro-choice! If you don’t have a uterus, it is none of your damn business what I choose to do with mine.
Pro-choice!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:43 am
Stonethrower — “If you want a view of the real one issue (anti-abortion) Repubican party, come to the state of Kansas west of Lawrence!”
No thanks. I did a consulting gig in Kansas City for the better part of a year in 2000 and 2001, and I got an earful of what passes for political discussion out there.
And yes, I was out there for the Carnahan dust-up, wherein the good people of Missouri elected a dead man to the US Senate rather than choose John Ashcroft.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:44 am
S. Ray — “I was wondering what croque had to do with this..”
Mmm, Croque-Monsieur. And it’s lunchtime! Wonder where I can get one around here?
the cat
August 24th, 2012
11:44 am
Romney and Ryan have made it quite clear that Akin’s views are reprehensible and unacceptable
Lie.
DannyX
August 24th, 2012
11:44 am
Everyone knows that a woman’s reproductive organs are just a series of tubes.
When a woman becomes the victim of a legitimate rape the body produces aspirin naturally which is then is pushed through the series of tubes and she won’t become pregnant.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:44 am
do you agree with 100% of either parties agenda’s? Am I misunderstanding your post?
No, but I also acknowledge that when I vote for someone, that is a signal that I agree with what he/she stands for. Even if it’s something that I personally don’t believe. Most votes for me are a “lesser of two evils” choice.
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
11:45 am
Adam
August 24th, 2012
11:42 am
Who in public life is even
willing to admit being a
moderate Republican?
Re-quoted and re-asked. I
want to know the answer to
this.
…………
Jay Bookman. He voted for
Romney.
Simple Truths
August 24th, 2012
11:45 am
And Jay’s streak of slamming the GOP ends at 0 days in a row.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
11:45 am
gop leaders?
There are no gop leaders.
Adam
August 24th, 2012
11:46 am
ty: The “pro-life/anti abortion” side is arguing for the rights of all “lifes” as they see it.
True. Where things get sticky is the idea that the metaphysical concept of life (tied to the concept of a soul) is conflated with the scientific definition, which gives that attribute to amoebas, fungus, plants, and most human tissue cells. Science doesn’t prove life begins at conception, but I actually saw an ad that said science DID prove that. In fact, if you look at the scientific definition of life, and want to make sure nothing that fits that definition gets killed, then you cannot eat any animals, any plants, any fungus, and you can’t kill bacteria with soap or Lysol. Of course then you run into a conundrum, because you cannot survive without eating either a plant based or animal based life form.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
11:46 am
Ok, I gotta go there–
Do we forgive and forget the verbal gaffes of Republicans who are “conveniently pro-life” for political advantage, but crucify one who truly believes that every life is sacred?
speaking of hypocrisy, Mike:
“I believe there is a place for a death penalty.”
Not quite EVERY life is “sacred” to Huck, apparently.
snoqualmiefalls
August 24th, 2012
11:46 am
“Mark my words, if and when these preachers get a hold of the Party,and they are sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me,politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of G-D so they can’t or won’t compromise. I know I have tried to deal with them” 1994 AU H20… for the kids out there that was a quote from Barry Goldwater.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
11:46 am
I can’t stand the term pro-abortion. It is pro-choice! If you don’t have a uterus, it is none of your damn business what I choose to do with mine.
Pro-choice!!!
It is what it is…
Simple Truths
August 24th, 2012
11:47 am
“just a series of tubes”
Sort of like the internet.
Adam
August 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Steve Shamrock: Romney and Ryan have made it quite clear that Akin’s views are reprehensible and unacceptable.
Actually Ryan has said he only supports Romney’s plan to have exceptions included because “it’s a step in the right direction.”
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
11:47 am
and the “pro life” side probably hates the term “pro choice’ because the life being aborted has no “choice”…both sides equally choose labels that put their side in a good light and demonizes the other…!!!(triple exclamation points mean what exactly?)
H. G. Pennypacker
August 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Steve Shamrock……I must have missed the part about Bill Maher getting a speaking slot at the Democratic convention. Nice false equivalency
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:47 am
” There are deep philosophical differences between when life is created and what rights to which that life should be afforded. I am “pro abortion”(should be legal and a choice afforded to all women), but I can certainly respect the other sides’ philosophical differences. The “pro-life/anti abortion” side is arguing for the rights of all “lifes” as they see it. I can respect that and disagree with it at the same side.”
hey – they can believe whatever they want … what I have a problem with is that they are inflicting that BELIEF on me, my friends, my neices, etc
ken
August 24th, 2012
11:47 am
To hell with the abortion subject. People want JOBS. Can’t you pick a better subject Jay ?
DannyX
August 24th, 2012
11:48 am
“Sort of like the internet.”
Yes, Republican science.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:48 am
Romney has said that he “absolutely” supports a personhood amendment with would allow legislation without exceptions for rape, incest, or life/health of the mother
In repuglicanspeak that means:
I support all that UNLESS its MY daughter who gets knocked up. Then all bets are off.
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Give it a rest Jay….good thing you are not focused on the economy and unemployment that are totally in the tank….
Yes he’s correct! Unlike our Republican dominated Congress, who BTW, worked LESS thanthe Dem congress before them; who campaigned on Jobs, Jobs, JOBS!! And who hasn’t delivered anything yet; JAY should be focusing on those things. PS: Is your republican GOVERNOR focusing on jobs? Or do you expect the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to nanny state you to death?
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Did ya know that the Mittster had a policy speech on energy yesterday? Well, the AJC was happy to publish an article about it on page A3.
Stinkywitch – When you become Editor of ANY newspaper, magazine, S&M Manual; gun lobby pamphlet or whatevah…..THEN you can put what you want wherever you want it in your paper. Deal?
getalife
August 24th, 2012
11:48 am
Weak, wishy washy, mushy, pathetic gop.
Have you ever seem the gop so weak?
getalife
August 24th, 2012
11:49 am
seen.
Paul
August 24th, 2012
11:50 am
Enter your comments here
independent thinker
August 24th, 2012
11:50 am
GOP convention will end in chaos if anyone of the following occurs:
1. Hurricane Isaac hits (second time in four years – is there a message here?)
2. Somebody leaks Romneys tax returns and we see he has been lying and cheating as expected;
3. Ron Paul decides to run as an independent after speaking to the convention;
4. Todd Aiken shows up with Mike Huckabee ;
5.Joe Biden makes good on his threat to attend (hopefully with chains for women and minority protesters)
In addition to above cataclysmic possibilities, the investment world is putting their money on Obama:
“”"”"”"”"There are two established predictive markets where speculators can directly bet on the outcome of the 2012 election: Intrade.com and Iowa Electronic Markets. InTrade is the newer of the two, having opened in 2002. Intrade is an open exchange that offers participants the opportunity to buy and sell shares among each other (like a stock market) on a particular event. The event settles at $10 or $0 share.For example, if you buy an Obama share selling at $5, you’ll be paid $10 and profit $5 if he wins the election. Should Obama lose, you’d lose your $5 investment.
So who do speculators favor in the November presidential election???????????Barack Obama.
Speculators on the IEM, which has accurately predicted each presidential election since 1988, are especially bullish on Obama’s prospects. Contracts on Obama are trading at $0.62 each, compared to $0.38 for Romney. “”"”"”"”"”"”"
And these are conservative investors folks.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 24th, 2012
11:50 am
But Al Dore invented that series of tubes. Are the Republicans now taking credit for that?
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
11:50 am
Paul
o.k.
Legin
August 24th, 2012
11:51 am
If I were,a journalist, I would agree to interview Romney/Ryan on their no abortion terms and then in the middle of the interview ask them – on tape – why it is they are refusing to talk about that issue. Their reactions alone should be worth capturing.
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
11:51 am
Penny…how much has Huckabee donated to Romney’s election? Not $1 million dollars.
Nice reverse extrapolation double one sided arguement.
joe
August 24th, 2012
11:51 am
To take a talking point from Dumb Dem Debbie (Was-a-man Shultz), “It doesn’t matter.”
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
11:51 am
To hell with the abortion subject. People want JOBS. Can’t you pick a better subject Jay ?
It’s Jay’s attempt to vector away from the real issues…Obama cannot win on the economy or unemployment and has already contradicted himself on tax increases during a recession….he keeps trying to sling mud and hoping something will stick…no luck thus far
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
11:52 am
Adam…Ryan asked Akin to leave the race and disappear. The classless Joe Biden will be at the RNC.
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
11:52 am
“that they are inflicting that BELIEF on me, my friends, my neices, etc”
and they would argue that a another “belief” is being inflicted on helpless “lifes”…just saying.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:52 am
dB @ 11:46
That’s different though…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:52 am
Not quite EVERY life is “sacred” to Huck, apparently.
snap
getalife
August 24th, 2012
11:53 am
steve,
He is not going to the convention silly.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 24th, 2012
11:53 am
Madge,
In reference to your Adam’s rib post. I have always found it ironic in a cult that made Mary Magdalene a prostitute and, as in 1 Timothy 2:11, laid out how a woman should behave, would use a rib. A rib would seem to say that God wanted Eve to stand beside Adam as a equal. If not, then why didn’t God use that last little insignificant bone of the spine to make Eve? Then there would have been no doubt as to Gods intentions? But when you are dealing with a cult that is male dominated…go figure.
Simple Truths
August 24th, 2012
11:53 am
“But Al Dore invented that series of tubes. Are the Republicans now taking credit for that?”
Who cares. The series of tubes is some funny stuff!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:53 am
T. Webb — “and the “pro life” side probably hates the term “pro choice’ because the life being aborted has no “choice”…”
As a matter of common law, unemancipated minor children don’t have any say in *any* medical evaluation, treatment or procedure they might undergo unless their parent or guardian chooses to take their views into account.
So I’m not sure where you’re expecting feti to have a say in what a doctor does to them when even high school kids don’t.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
11:55 am
Listen up self defeatist cons.
You are middle class so instead of continuing destroying yourselves, stay home this cycle to help the middle class.
Adam
August 24th, 2012
11:55 am
Steve: Adam…Ryan asked Akin to leave the race and disappear.
Yeah, the Republicans all jumped on the chance to make it seem like the policy positions between Akin and Ryan are different. AND THEN they put no-exceptions-abortion-is-illegal in their party platform days later.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
11:57 am
Joe Hussein Mama
Give the abortion issue a rest, I know that Jay started it but I trust your vote will not be driven by stances on abortion…
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
11:57 am
What does the bible have to do with this? Anyhow, the good news is, as I learned on Colbert (oddly), the women are now primary providers in more families than not….they should make the decision on abortion with men having no say whatsoever..
The bible, my good man, states that a woman is nothing more than a VESSEL of her husband/owner’s goodness and faith. So, that money she making?…..well, that money is only a VESSEL of her husband’s wallet.
Gotta love it!
===============
Lunch!
F. Sinkwich
August 24th, 2012
11:57 am
“To hell with the abortion subject. People want JOBS. Can’t you pick a better subject Jay ?”
ken, the DNC avoids that topic. Abortion is the lead today and will continue into next week, with a few references to the war on women thrown in for good measure.
Any references to the economy, according to the DNC handbook, is to be couched in the terms of “tax breaks for the rich” and the sort.
We can also look forward to the anti-Mormon screeds probably around the middle of September.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
11:58 am
To hell with the abortion subject. People want JOBS. Can’t you pick a better subject Jay ?
Translation: *I* don’t have a uterus, so why are we talking about them?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
11:58 am
“and they would argue that a another “belief” is being inflicted on helpless “lifes”…just saying.”
of course, the fact that that “life” is completely dependent on the host life is just a minor detail
Li'l Aynie
August 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Akin spilled the beans! His fellow loonies are trying to clean up the mess.
Making abortion illegal would open a can of worms on enforcement: purported rapes and miscarriages would have to be investigated and authenticated; the abortion pill would have to be banned; contraceptive drugs would have to be rationed to prevent abortion-inducing overdose, a whole new war on drugs and a blackmarket would be introduced; child-bearing age women would be restricted from international travel, etc.
And what will we do with the millions of unwanted children produced if the ban were enforced?Anyone who favors a ban on abortion hasn’t thought it through.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Paul
I want to enter my comments here instead. Is that ok with you?
fair and balanced
August 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Jay- You apparently are unaware that yesterday the true leader of the GOP, Rush, gave strict orders that no one in the party is to discuss with the media any further their views on abortion and rape and also the GOP platform on abortion because of the damage it was causing the party.. As always, Mitt followed Rush’s orders. At least we know who will be calling the shots if Romney is elected.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
11:59 am
akin is staying with the gop platform on abortion.
robme and ryan caved because they are weak.
Too weak to run this country.
Another Voice
August 24th, 2012
11:59 am
Thrown under the bus for being an idiot and having no rational basis for his claim about “bodies shut that down” and “no one gets pregnant from rape.” He’s not getting ostrasized by the party apparatus for being against abortion, just for being a complete moron. The whole concept of thinking before you speak would have served Akin well – because even a moment of hesitation on that statement would have helped him focus on the 50% of the electorate that he was about to piss off …
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
11:59 am
Get Real — “Joe Hussein Mama Give the abortion issue a rest”
If you don’t care to read what I post, you can always scroll right on past.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:00 pm
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
11:58 am
To hell with the abortion subject. People want JOBS. Can’t you pick a better subject Jay ?
Translation: *I* don’t have a uterus, so why are we talking about them?
Further translation: that is all Obama and the DNC have to discuss, no jobs and the economy sux, let’s go with abortion
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:00 pm
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
11:57 am
Joe Hussein Mama
Give the abortion issue a rest, I know that Jay started it but I trust your vote will not be driven by stances on abortion…
I can’t speak for JHM’s vote but MY vote will be driven by the non-stop republican WAR ON WOMEN which isn’t just about choice. My many sisters will join me and reelect President Obama.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
“Give the abortion issue a rest, I know that Jay started it”
gee.
ya think?
what gave you your first clue … was it maybe the blog title???
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Ditto…
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
cons don’t want to talk about abortion.
Hilarious
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 24th, 2012
12:02 pm
fairandbalanced, you have a point. Rush is in charge. I will modify my 11:42…….
A Few Good Republicans
Rush: You want answers
Huckabee: I want the truth
Rush: You want the truth, you can’t handle the truth
Rush: We live in a world ….. yada yada yada
Huckabee: Did you order the code red
Rush: You’re damn straight I did
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
12:02 pm
“So I’m not sure where you’re expecting feti to have a say in what a doctor does to them when even high school kids don’t.”
this argument…well the “pro-life”(which I’m not a member of, I remind you) argument would probably be that abortion is not simply a normal medical evaluation, treatment, or procedure. They would also probably argue that “aborting”(killing) a “high school kid” should also be illegal…but I couldn’t say for sure.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:03 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
Profound response from a woman of your ilk
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
Off topic but sad indeed…
http://www.ajc.com/news/student-shoots-self-at-1505333.html
Banks County High School in northeast Georgia was on lockdown following a Friday morning shooting incident.
According to the Banks County Sheriff’s Office, a student shot himself at the school.
The student was airlifted to a hospital, said a school spokesperson, who earlier had called the incident a suicide. There were no reports of other injuries.
independent thinker
August 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
Get Real- your boy Ryan refused to sign on to Simpson Bowles compromise on the deficit reduction,and refused to sign on any jobs bill proposed by the Dems. But he and Todd Aiken sponsored 38 anti- abortion bills. Does that tell you anything about who is holding up job creation? I assume those 38 bills had jobs in them for men to probe women’s uterus’ with ultrasounds and men to interrogate rape victims to determine if it was forcible rape since he is now trying to be a job creator.Maybe that makes him a job creator.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
G. Real — “Joe Hussein Mama Ditto…”
Punkin, I’m not telling you what to post. You just tried to tell me. And as far as that goes, you go right ahead and post as you please.
If anyone but our blog host tells me to pipe down, they can go take an effing hike. And that includes you.
So going forward, the only posts of yours I won’t read will be the ones that tell me not to post or that tell me to change the subject. How about that?
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
abortion is not simply a normal medical evaluation, treatment, or procedure.
Because…well, the uterus is magical, that’s why.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
I can’t speak for JHM’s vote but MY vote will be driven by the non-stop republican WAR ON WOMEN which isn’t just about choice. My many sisters will join me and reelect President Obama.
Oh pleezz spare me that “war on women” total BS, you have been sucked into the ridiculous void of DNC talking points. Clealry the RNC has their own but try to be at least somewhat level headed about it…
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Very sad.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
We be kool puddin cup
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
T. Webb — “abortion is not simply a normal medical evaluation, treatment, or procedure”
The sun goes around the earth!
Man coexisted with the dinosaurs!
The cow jumped over the moon!
(laughing)
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
For Get Real-used by permission:
The WAR on WOMEN-own it.
Forcing women to get transvaginal ultrasounds: Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell wanted to force every woman seeking an abortion to go through the extremely uncomfortable and medically unnecessary procedure of a transvaginal ultrasound — sticking a medical wand far into a woman’s vagina to get a clearer ultrasound image.
Ordering women to cremate and bury their miscarried fetus: A huge abortion omnibus bill in Michigan could force women who miscarry to cremate the miscarried fetuses. This comes at no small expense to the woman: cremation of a fetus costs hundreds of dollars, and interment can be additional thousands. The bill has been passed by the Michigan House, and is awaiting a vote by the Michigan Senate.
Requiring doctors to lie to female patients: In Kansas, Republicans tried to force doctors to tell women that they faced risk of cancer from having an abortion. That is patently untrue, and making doctors say that it was true would be, in effect, requiring them to lie to their patients.
Making a dying woman consult two doctors before she can get a life-saving abortion: The New Hampshire legislature just overrode a veto by the Governor, forcing through a law that bans “partial birth” abortions. The law only reinforces federal law, but has the additional requirement that any woman who is exempt from the abortion ban because her life is at risk must visit not one but two doctors before she can get the procedure to save her life. For many rural women, especially those facing life-threatening conditions, this is near impossible.
Mandating people pay extra to give medical device companies a tax break: Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN) worked so hard to protect medical device companies from having to pay, that he has instead passed their costs onto the consumer — regular Americans — by increasing the cost of health coverage.
ty webb
August 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
clarification: they would argue that the “aborting”(killing”) of a “high school kid” by a doctor as part of “any medical evaluation, treatment, or procedure” should also be illegal.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
G. Real — “Oh pleezz spare me that “war on women” total BS, you have been sucked into the ridiculous void of DNC talking points. Clealry the RNC has their own but try to be at least somewhat level headed about it…”
I’m loving this new GOP outreach to women methodology. How many ladies’ votes do y’all figure on getting by using it?
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
According to the Banks County Sheriff’s Office, a student shot himself at the school.
If liberals would let teachers have guns, someone could have shot that student and prevented him from tragically shooting himself.
Brad Steel
August 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
A total ban on abortion is so out of touch with the electorate and swing voters that this issue alone cause Romney the election. And that seems obvious.
Is the total abortion ban issue some sort of red herring or just knuckle-dragging stupidity?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
T, Cat — “sticking a medical wand far into a woman’s vagina”
I think I saw that movie once.
lynnie gal
August 24th, 2012
12:11 pm
Ditto what Madge from Accounting said. Thanks, Madge. You saved me from having to write my own screed.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:11 pm
independent thinker
While I do not agree with everything the candidates I support think and say, I will take Ryan all day long over Biden the Clown
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:12 pm
Get Real-I’m curious, are you married or have female children?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:12 pm
T. Webb — “clarification: they would argue that the “aborting”(killing”) of a “high school kid” by a doctor as part of “any medical evaluation, treatment, or procedure” should also be illegal.”
That’s beside the point, because the argument I addressed was that the *fetus* wasn’t given a say regarding abortion.
Well, when high school kids don’t legally have a say in what medical treatments they receive, why would a fetus get any control over it? In short, the ‘let the fetus have a say’ argument is specious and jejune.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
I just do not buy it mama, that is all pure and simple
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
“Letterman: Hurricane Heading To Tampa Proof God Is A Woman”
Funny
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
I am pro-life…I believe abortion is acceptable in rape and incest but should not be used as “birth control”.
I am going to vote for Romney/Ryan because:
-Unemployment is above 8% for 42 months straight and seems to be getting worse.
-Our debt is $16 Trillion ($5.2 trillion under Obama)
-Gas prices are up
-Housing prices are down
-Obama told me “I didn’t build this”
-Obama told me I could “come along for the ride but I would be in the back seat”
-Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare
-Obama hangs with the Hollyweirdos and takes $1 million from Bill Maher
-Joe Biden is telling African Americans they will be “put back in chains”
-Tim Geithner is a tax cheat
-Eric Holder is corrupt
These are some of my reasons.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:14 pm
the cat
I am married to a very intelligent, muti degree conservative woman. No children though…
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
The Christian Fundamentalist Conservative views on women have much in common with Muslim Sharia law. You would think those 2 groups would get along better with each other.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
G. Real — “I just do not buy it mama, that is all pure and simple”
You don’t have to buy it; that’s completely your choice. But a lot of people *do* “buy” it, and you’re not going to convince them otherwise by being a jerk about it and dismissing their concerns.
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
Get Real-so will your wife vote republican as well or at least tell you she does? My husband and I cancel each other out in the voting booth. Our children vote democratically or say they do.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
steve,
You got the gop lies right.
What kind of economy did you expect after a collapse?
USMC
August 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
FLASHBACK: Obama Says You Don’t Raise Taxes In A Recession
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufAtuTwKlE
East Lake Ira
August 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
Don’t count on voting too much longer Steve. Once we get Obama’s ACA army fully activated folks like you will be shipped off to re-education camps in Kansas and Idaho.
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
Why is Bill Maher’s donation always brought up? So what?
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
To hell with the abortion subject. People want JOBS. Can’t you pick a better subject Jay ?
The problem is the Republicans keep putting this into the news, not us! They own this issue and they can’t run from it.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
T. Cat — “Why is Bill Maher’s donation always brought up? So what?”
Cons believe that Bill Maher is somehow the antimatter equivalent of Rush Limbaugh.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
“Profound response from a woman of your ilk”
a helluva lot more profound than your “I know Jay started it”
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
the cat – I agree, Bill Maher gives only $1 million while a number of Republican billionaires give hundreds of millions and these people here don’t say a peep about it.
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
We were discussing the good Texas judge, you know the pointy hat one from yesterday calling out the national guard over drinks last night. We decided if there is an uprising and takeover it sure as hell wont’ be Texas they are going after. More like Belgium!! Who they heck would want Texas?
skydog
August 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
This had to be a swift kick in ol Hucks jewels.
When Huck was running for Pres. he said he loved the Rolling Stones and he thought Keith Richards was the best guitar ever born. He pardoned Keith for something he did 30 years prior.
The pardon came in 2006, just as Huckabee–a Rolling Stones die-hard–was about to leave office. Huckabee first broached the subject with Richards backstage before a Stones concert in Little Rock in 2006. And while a pardon from the governor–even largely honorary ones three decades after the fact–are generally viewed as a good thing, Richards says Huckabee only issued the pardon to further his “political ambitions.”
Richards even managed to sneak in one last dig at Huckabee’s own musical prowess, noting that the former Arkansas governor, “thinks of himself as a guitar player,” adding, “I think he even has a band.”
OUCH!
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
Now mama, I am not being a jerk…if you want to believe the earth is flat then you are very much entitled to your opinion. I realize that is a bit over the top but this is an opinion blog is it not….everyone views the world differently and I disagree the there is an RNC war on women…I believe it is an exaggerated, contrived DNC talking point. But you are correct, there are a lot of women that have bought into it..
Fly-On-The-Wall
August 24th, 2012
12:22 pm
Steve Shamrock – you have swallowed the Republican lies hook, line, and sinker.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
Once we get Obama’s ACA army fully activated folks like you will be shipped off to re-education camps in Kansas and Idaho.
Joke’s on you Ira, Steve already has an escape plan and a guaranteed spot in the Lubbock Militia.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
“Why is Bill Maher’s donation always brought up? So what?”
cons fixate on stupid stuff like a teleprompter.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
the cat
I believe she will vote republican, unless she has another personality that I have not seen, you never know as you ladies can be quite tricky and us men folk are pretty gullible
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 24th, 2012
12:24 pm
ABORT THE GOP…. OBAMA …2012
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:24 pm
But you are correct, there are a lot of women that have bought into it..
A lot of women that will be reelecting President Obama. You left that part out.
Orange12
August 24th, 2012
12:24 pm
Topic is boring.
Read the comments at the end of this headline.
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-08-23
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:25 pm
Orange,
No, I will not.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
” -Tim Geithner is a tax cheat”
yep, vote Romney because you’re against Treasury Chairmen being tax cheats but for PRESIDENTS being tax cheats
Peter
August 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Well he did make a thoughtless comment and attacked women in general…then was thrown under the bus as stated.
Who knows what it all means ?
East Lake Ira
August 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Joke’s on you Ira, Steve already has an escape plan and a guaranteed spot in the Lubbock Militia.
Aquagirl, if that’s the case maybe we should just Death Panel him and be done with it.
Ellsworth Monkton Toohey
August 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Did Barack Obama just win Huckabee’s vote?
Mr Right
August 24th, 2012
12:28 pm
I am happy to support those who support LIFE for babies,not DEATH!
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:28 pm
the cat
Gawd, I hope not…the “perceived” war on women really will not matter much if the country implodes
skydog
August 24th, 2012
12:28 pm
I did. Biden visits St Augustine?
WTF?
Get me Rex Kramer
August 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
AquaGirl, you are a typical liberal. You get all hostile when someone disagrees with you. Yes, the GOP is just so evil and out to screw everyone. If you would like to know what our country would be like if all of your liberal fantasies were to come true, then look no further than California. The most progressive state in America, and it has the highest taxes and it is on the brink of bankruptcy. How is that working out??? Not so good.
bez
August 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
The two different Republican worlds are colliding. Republicans are against women. It would be unrealistic to outlaw all abortions — people should think about what would really happen if it happened. Voting for a political party certainly implies that you agree with their beliefs.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
” -Tim Geithner is a tax cheat”
yep, vote Romney because you’re against Treasury Chairmen being tax cheats but for PRESIDENTS being tax cheats
I’m sorry, I must have missed Romney being charged with cheating on his taxes…can you provide the link?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
“I am happy to support those who support LIFE for babies,not DEATH”
I am SO GLAD the men here have made their stand on an issue they will never experience firsthand
the cat
August 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
Watching CNN yesterday and the scroll was about the prostitutes would be enjoying the rainmakers coming to town. They weren’t talking about Isaac either. Explain this party of family values.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:32 pm
“I’m sorry, I must have missed Romney being charged with cheating on his taxes…can you provide the link?”
you mean how forthcoming he has been with 20+ years of tax returns that he was SO EAGER to show McCain … until McCain dumped him after reviewing them …
those tax returns???
tax
cheat.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:35 pm
Get Real — “Now mama, I am not being a jerk…if you want to believe the earth is flat then you are very much entitled to your opinion. I realize that is a bit over the top but this is an opinion blog is it not….everyone views the world differently and I disagree the there is an RNC war on women…I believe it is an exaggerated, contrived DNC talking point.”
Y’know, you spend an awful lot of time deriding others for their opinions, telling them to stop posting, etc. Maybe if you stopped doing that — i.e. stopped being a jerk — then your complaint would have a lot more weight than it does.
Frankly, someone who craps all over other posters while demanding forebearance from criticism for their own views strikes me as more than a bit hypocritical.
weetamoe
August 24th, 2012
12:36 pm
The almost certain reelection of Obama means almost certain disaster for us all–regardless of our differing positions on social issues. And would the holdouts quit beating that *code word* horse to death. It has become pate de cheval by now. *Racist* is a worn out punch line.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 24th, 2012
12:36 pm
Isaac, son of Abraham, is being sent by God to show his wrath on the City of Tampa, Joe Redner, & the GOP. That would be consistent with the religious conservatives view on Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans in 2005.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:36 pm
cat,
cons are filthy hypocrites.
Their moral compass was smashed to pieces by their party.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
“I am pro-life…I believe abortion is acceptable in rape and incest but should not be used as “birth control”.
Here’s the bottom line “pro life” people don’t want to hear: if you allow ANY abortions then you are NOT “pro life” You just want to be able to punish women for making a choice YOU DON’T LIKE.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
USinUK — “I am SO GLAD the men here have made their stand on an issue they will never experience firsthand”
I’ve experienced enough of it to know that I’m not going to tell someone else what to do or how to act in a similar situation.
If it hadn’t been for an abortion almost 14 years ago, I’d be a widower today. And the GOP can kiss my shiny hiney if they don’t like it.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
JHM – “Y’know, you spend an awful lot of time deriding others for their opinions”
I’m USinUK and I and my ilk support this message
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
weet,
No, his reelection will keep the gop from destroying our country again for another four years.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
Get Real
I must say I agree with Tim Geithner beign a cheat and shouldn’t be in taht office
With that said, is it safe to say you didn’t vote for Bush?
After-all he also had numerous folks in his administration who did the same exact thing
Turn off talk radio and let google be your guide
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
Doggone – 12:27 – WORD.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:41 pm
Why did robme and ryan toss akin under the bus for supporting the gop platform on abortion cons?
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
Why is robme and ryan refusing to answer questions on abortion cons?
td
August 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
Jay
August 24th, 2012
11:19 am
Rex, I’m sure that moderate Republicans don’t share that belief.
Now … how much power do moderate Republicans wield in your party these days? Who in public life is even willing to admit being a moderate Republican?
And how many Blue Dog (moderate) Democrats are left in your party and what type of power do they have?
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Whatever…conference calls coming up…enjoy the debate, it will be there tomorrow
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
getalife — “Why did robme and ryan toss akin under the bus for supporting the gop platform on abortion cons?”
Easy. He let the punchline slip before Romney and Ryan were done telling the joke.
The GOP’s trick or treat is going to be that Romney and Ryan pull off their masks on Election Day — revealing that they’re both actually Todd Akin.
TRICK!
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:45 pm
crickets………..
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:46 pm
G. Real — “Whatever”
Your concession and surrender are noted and appreciated.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2012
12:46 pm
Well, if a woman don’t like the rape she won’t get in a Family Way from it. If she does like it then she’ll get in a Family Way. There’s no reason to take changing her mind out on the baby.
And don’t give me this Science junk. I know what I know and Science ain’t going to change my mind. Vote Republican in November and stop this killing of all the babies these women got from liking being raped.
I’m making good progress out here and you’ll have your booze available by FNM time. I hope somebody plays something by that drunk of all drunks, Randy Travis. You know, you got to have a snootful to be found buck-nekkid in your car and even go into a convenience store buck-nekkid. If y’all really knew how to drink I’d be reading about you in the news, instead of about old Randy.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 24th, 2012
12:46 pm
I am married to a very intelligent, muti degree conservative woman.
I am married to Olivia Wilde.
Socialism — BOO!
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:47 pm
Thanks Joe
I have never seen the cons refusing to talk about abortion.
Change.
Rockerbabe
August 24th, 2012
12:47 pm
Oh please! The right to life is only for the fetus. If there is a choice to be made fetus or already born woman, the fetus “wins”. Not allowing abortion for rape, incest, the health and life of the mother is inhumane and a violation of a woman’s right to her own life and life’s choices. But then again, the GOP as well as many religions (all dominated by men), do not recognize a women as equal beings and capable to making their own decisions. The GOP has unwittingly shined a light on their bad attitude towards women and I hope they suffer greatly in November.
Misty Fyed
August 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
You know…Biden can say something stupid and at worst, Obama will ignore him. That’s what you dems have that the republicans don’t. A republican can say something stupid and if a lib drops the “I’m offended” bomb…other republican politicians can’t wait to throw him under the bus. It doesn’t matter if he was right or wrong…There is no loyalty. They buy in to the skewed image the press presents as mainstream and have a debilitating inferiority complex. It’s just embarrassing.
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
No gone yet Mama, no concession at all, just like at work, e-mails do not reflect tone. Bottom line, you were reading WAY TOO MUCH into what I said, if you want to look at my words in the most negative light possible…that is your choice…does not make it reality
Get Real
August 24th, 2012
12:50 pm
Kammie check in…what’s up gerbil boy
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
12:50 pm
AquaGirl, you are a typical liberal. You get all hostile when someone disagrees with you.
Rex, I’m not the one scurrying the goalposts away from a topic that’s embarrassing and then busting out a rant on California. It’s Friday. Relax. Go grab a Chik-Fil-A and wave it at gay Californian marxists.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
12:50 pm
“I am happy to support those who support LIFE for babies,not DEATH!”
What do you have against God? (don’t get it? look up “spontaneous abortion” aka: miscarriage)
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
12:50 pm
If it hadn’t been for an abortion almost 14 years ago, I’d be a widower today. And the GOP can kiss my shiny hiney if they don’t like it.
When these “pro lifers” posting here tell me that they’ve actually adopted a child through the state, without checking any of the boxes under “preferred race”, I might actually treat them civilly.
Until then they can… well, like this guy says.
Mr Right
August 24th, 2012
12:51 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
“I am happy to support those who support LIFE for babies,not DEATH”
I am SO GLAD the men here have made their stand on an issue they will never experience firsthand
So what about the people who have made their stand on an issue they have not experienced, NOT BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE!
Misty Fyed
August 24th, 2012
12:52 pm
You are absolutely right Rockerbabe. And with your logic, I’m sure both parties can come to agree to ban abortions except for rape, incest, or life of the mother….No more convenience abortions or too late birth control….You’d agree to that right? Surely you don’t support the destruction of life because its inconvenient…right?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:52 pm
NEWS FLASH — ROMNEY ALMOST CERTAIN TO WIN IN NOVEMBER
A professor at Wassamatta University has determined via statistical analysis that the Romney-Ryan ticket is a virtual lock on the 2012 Presidential Election.
Norm Figures, head of Wassamatta U’s Politican Science department, points out that only once in 56 Presidential elections have the American people NOT chosen the ticket headed by a white guy. Based on this, Figures figures that Romney has a 98.24% chance of prevailing over Obama on Election Day.
Do the math, folks. It’s at least as valid as the pap the cons post here from Rasmussen on a daily basis.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:54 pm
G. Real — “Bottom line, you were reading WAY TOO MUCH into what I said, if you want to look at my words in the most negative light possible…that is your choice…does not make it reality”
Better look in the mirror, Punkin. You were doing the *exact* same thing to me.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
“So what about the people who have made their stand on an issue they have not experienced, NOT BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE!”
Easy, they aren’t even people. When did YOU get a chance to vote on if you’d live or not?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
Mr. Right — “So what about the people who have made their stand on an issue they have not experienced, NOT BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE!”
Instead of sitting around waiting for chances to be given to them, they should get off their lazy butts like Mitt Romney and GO MAKE SOMETHING OF THEMSELVES instead of blaming their failures on others.
Isn’t that what y’all say? Take responsibility for yourself? (laughing)
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
From that article Jay linked to, about the “don’t ruin Mitt’s beautiful mind with that abortion talk” gag order:
After her interview with Mr. Romney on Thursday, Ms. Boyd told Talking Points Memo that she “said to them, ‘Look, everybody’s talking about this. It’s going to seem awkward if I don’t ask about it. And they said, ‘Well, he’s said all he’s going to say about it. He doesn’t have anything more to say. You won’t be getting any new information, so we don’t want to talk about that.’”
She said she ultimately agreed: “I wanted to get the interview with him because I have other issues I want to talk to him about.”
Ok, conservatives, tell me again how the media are “in the bag” for Obama.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Speaking about his Michigan roots, he said, “No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised.”
Prove it.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
I was watching ol Hucks show a few months ago and he was beaming after getting to play bass with Lynrd Skynard.
Sorry Huck, that was Garry Rossington and 5 strangers playing Skynard tunes, not the real deal.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
12:58 pm
Surely you don’t support the destruction of life because its inconvenient…right?
If you’re not a devout vegan, permit me to howl derisively in your general direction.
That Black Guy
August 24th, 2012
12:59 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
11:15 am
Madge, I am not Jam.
____________________________
Well she didn’t get anything else correct in her post, so maybe she was trying to maintain her 0% batting avg.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:00 pm
And remember Jay ………… slaves used to be “non-persons” until the Republicans came along and straightened that out.
Just sayin’.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
of course, what the rape fantacist republicans don’t want to tell you …
you know what’s worse than being forced to continue a pregnancy that was the result of a rape???
having the man sue you for parental rights, should you decide to carry the pregnancy to term.
which 31 states allow.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
USinner
Speaking of tax cheats, I’m surprised Jay didn’t run off the rails with this two-fer…
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54744938-90/romney-says-church-tithing.html.csp
Washington • Mitt Romney says in a new interview that one of the reasons he’s distressed about disclosing his tax returns is that everyone sees how much money he and his wife, Ann, have donated to the LDS Church, and that’s a number he wants to keep private.
“Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given,” Romney tells Parade magazine in an edition due out Sunday. “This is done entirely privately. One of the downsides of releasing one’s financial information is that this is now all public, but we had never intended our contributions to be known. It’s a very personal thing between ourselves and our commitment to our God and to our church.”
Nevermind the fact that he’s already released tax information that reveals that very information. Then there’s this…
http://news.yahoo.com/bain-documents-romney-offshore-investments-used-blockers-avoid-185957445–abc-news-topstories.html
The private equity firm founded by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney made use of arcane techniques in several of its Cayman Islands-based funds to avoid U.S. taxes, according to a trove of Bain Capital’s private audit and finance records made public on the website Gawker today.
The audited financial statements of one of the Cayman Islands funds make note of the use of “blocker” entities, which are used to help retirement accounts and nonprofit entities avoid some taxes. Financial statements for another fund note that it “intends to conduct its operations so it will … not be subject to United States federal income or withholding tax …”
Those details emerge on the statements of two funds in which Romney still holds a sizeable investment, according to the financial disclosure statements he filed when he announced his bid for president.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:02 pm
By the way, I went by the Gwinnett Office of the Social Security Administration today and I didn’t hear anything but foreign languages being spoken.
So I left and will do my business there by fax …………. assuming the fax machine speaks English ………………..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:02 pm
Brosephus:
Your thoughts on the ICE agents suing Obama ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout :
A lot of states force men to pay child support even though they are not the biological father. The law is a “funny” thing.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
0311 — “And remember Jay ………… slaves used to be “non-persons” until the Republicans came along and straightened that out.”
http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/7-ways-republicans-use-slavery-rhetoric-scare-white-people
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
“which 31 states allow.”
Are any of those “blue” states ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
Mama:
My post had nothing to do with scaring people so it’s sad to see you lying.
It simply states that black people used to be considered “non-person” (like unborn children) until the Republicans fixed it.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
“If you’re not a devout vegan, permit me to howl derisively in your general direction.”
Except…plants are alive too
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:07 pm
Brosephus — “Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given,” Romney tells Parade magazine in an edition due out Sunday. “This is done entirely privately. One of the downsides of releasing one’s financial information is that this is now all public, but we had never intended our contributions to be known. It’s a very personal thing between ourselves and our commitment to our God and to our church.”
Besides the fact that Romney’s claim is not true. Tithed amounts are not kept secret or confidential by any church policy. In fact, if you *don’t* maintain your obligatory tithe, the LDS church can and will *audit* you.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
Mr. Digits…
Grew up listening to the same thing in our Parish hall in Chicago!
You walked away from the great blessing that is diversity.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
0311 — “My post had nothing to do with scaring people”
Didn’t say that it did. (laughing)
“so it’s sad to see you lying.”
Sorry, Punkin. That’s *two* lies for you today. Do “Duty, Honor and Country” mean anything to you any more?
“It simply states that black people used to be considered “non-person” (like unborn children) until the Republicans fixed it.”
I know what it says. Unlike you, I actually read my links before I post them.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
It simply states that black people used to be considered “non-person” (like unborn children) until the Republicans fixed it.
The Republicans gestated all those slaves until they could breath and circulate their own blood? Wow, that’s a lotta stretch marks.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
Except…plants are alive too
yeah, but eating a salad doesn’t (SNIFF! anyone have a tissue?) “stop a beating heart.”
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
“So what about the people who have made their stand on an issue they have not experienced, NOT BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE!”
1) they’re not “people”
2) zygotes have made a stand??? I must have missed that protest
3) throughout history abortion and contraception have been a fact of life – this didn’t start in the 1960s … heck, this didn’t even start in the 1660s. As long as women have been getting pregnant, they have been figuring out ways NOT to be pregnant.
Mama Says
August 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
All you guys and your double standards.
you demand that the moderate republicans leave the party, dont support Romney. You ask how do you call yourselves moderate in that party ?
the answers are simple. exactly like you democrats do.
you never see democrats running on an anti abortion platform yet you have some in your party who dont support abortion. Do you ask them to leave your party ? why not they dont support the platform ?
Bro you are right to a certain degree, you only get honesty from those who are not seeking office. Where all you libs miss it, is that that standard is equally applicable to your party also.
Tell you what when you get every member of your party to support your entire platform let us know, then you can help us do it in ours
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
1:11 pm
“yeah, but eating a salad doesn’t (SNIFF! anyone have a tissue?) “stop a beating heart.””
unless it’s heart of palm …
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:11 pm
UU — “2) zygotes have made a stand??? I must have missed that protest”
LET THOSE FETI VOTE
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 24th, 2012
1:11 pm
how many of these anti abortion nuts ate eggs for breakfast?
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:11 pm
Your thoughts on the ICE agents suing Obama ?
If you’re active duty, either do the job or quit. The guy is the top of the Executive Department. Does one sue the CEO if they make a decision you don’t like, or do you quit and go find another job? If you’re retired, then it’s freedom of speech issue, and I say have fun spending your money on lawyers.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
unless it’s heart of palm …
dang, guess that means I have to scratch this off my salad short-list as well.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:13 pm
Mama — “you never see democrats running on an anti abortion platform yet you have some in your party who dont support abortion. Do you ask them to leave your party ? why not they dont support the platform ?”
There’s a key distinction you’re missing.
You can support a party platform of choice and still be pro-life in your personal conduct. You can’t support a party platform that’s pro-life and be pro-choice in your personal conduct. That would make you a hypocrite.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Mama Says
I personally openly advocate everyone to leave parties. People should think and decide for themselves. The herd mentality is the reason this country is so effed up. Voting for a group with the anticipation they will eventually do something for you is so anti-freedom that I can’t understand how anybody can follow a party and then talk about freedom.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Brosephus:
“Does one sue the CEO if they make a decision you don’t like, ”
Happens quite often ………… especially EEO stuff, pay equity, whistleblower issues.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Limited rights:
Alaska, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Wisconsin.
not quite so limited:
Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming.
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Which ones are lies? Sometimes the truth hurts…
-Unemployment is above 8% for 42 months straight and seems to be getting worse.
-Our debt is $16 Trillion ($5.2 trillion under Obama)
-Gas prices are up
-Housing prices are down
-Obama told me “I didn’t build this”
-Obama told me I could “come along for the ride but I would be in the back seat”
-Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare
-Obama hangs with the Hollyweirdos and takes $1 million from Bill Maher
-Joe Biden is telling African Americans they will be “put back in chains”
-Tim Geithner is a tax cheat
-Eric Holder is corrupt
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
but eating a salad doesn’t (SNIFF! anyone have a tissue?) “stop a beating heart.”
Clearly you have not had some of those salads served in Japanese restaurants.
TGT
August 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
As Huckabee understands, Akin is being ostracized by his party not for what he believes, but for stating what he believes too bluntly, and for calling attention to things that party elders want to keep hidden.
What’ya know, another lie from Bookman, and without reading hardly any comments, I know that the liberal baby birds here opened wide and swallowed it whole again!
Of course, Huckabee’s statement displays no such understanding, and Akin’s statement reveals no such thing about the GOP.
Akin is being ostracized for a very bad choice of words (”legitimate rape”), along with stating something that is simply not true (”female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down”) in a political climate that will tolerate little, if any, mistakes. I agree with Huckabee to an extent. There has been an overreaction here. The “legitimate rape” reference was in no way meant to demean rape victims. (It is the democrat party that does this with its shameless politicization of rape in order to further their pro-abortion agenda!)
However, I also understand fully the calls for Akin to step down. There is simply no time for such political errors.
Also, there is NOTHING in the GOP platform about “legitimate rape” or a woman’s body “shutting down” to prevent pregnancy. To imply otherwise is shamefully dishonest.
The truth in Akin’s comments lie in this (and there is little doubt that this is what he was getting at): Rape is not a moral justification for abortion. There is no shame in this position. Nothing good is accomplished from creating another victim in the terrible case of rape. In other words, one evil deed is not going to fix another.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
LET THOSE FETI VOTE
this is where I nitpick and point out that we’re not in the “fetal” stage for the vast majority of elective abortions, but rather the embryonic stage.
The pro-criminalization folks really don’t want you to think about the “life” they’re constantly crying about being utterly non-sentient, even though that’s pretty much the rule.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
Mama:
“Do “Duty, Honor and Country” mean anything to you any more?”
And how would you know ?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:16 pm
TGT — “The “legitimate rape” reference was in no way meant to demean rape victims.”
Complete and utter horsespit.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
“this is where I nitpick and point out that we’re not in the “fetal” stage for the vast majority of elective abortions, but rather the embryonic stage.”
I was going to say “let my embryo go” … but then I realized it sounds like some kind of energy drink … Embryogo
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
0311 — “And how would you know ?”
I *wouldn’t* know. That’s why I ASKED you if they meant anything to you any more. (laughing)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
US in UK thug @ 1:14
So ……………… what’s your point ?
Real Scootter
August 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
long as women have been getting pregnant, they have been figuring out ways NOT to be pregnant.
Yeah,and I wonder just how much longer it’s going to take them to figure out that the simple answer is not having sex.
Sorry USinUK,the devil made me do it
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
some kind of energy drink … Embryogo
Now with 30% MORE EMBRYO!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
you never see democrats running on an anti abortion platform yet you have some in your party who dont support abortion.
Not supporting abortion is one thing, actively seeking to overturn existing abortion laws is a whole nuther kettle of fish, and like JHM said, being pro choice also means you get to choose not to have an abortion.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
I’m laughin at Shamrock, what a sad sack.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
Mama:
That’s right …………. you wouldn’t know because you have always been “kept by better men than yourself.”
Good to see you admit that.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
By the way, I went by the Gwinnett Office of the Social Security Administration today and I didn’t hear anything but foreign languages being spoken.
Nope…what you heard was many of the diverse languages spoken by a melting pot of citizens. Momma mia, you have some issues, Scouty. But here’s a suggestion, put the hearing aid in your ear not where you sit. You might open yourself up to hearing more and eliminate the close mindedness….but that is only a hope.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
This is kind of funny…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_y6ZSFTuQk
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Yeah,and I wonder just how much longer it’s going to take them to figure out that the simple answer is not having sex”
yeah, and that worked SO well for Mary…didn’t it?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
… and with that, I’m off to enjoy my bank holiday weekend
have a good one!!!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
Nope …………… what I heard was an American being divided by lack of assimilation.
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
As of now there are 230+ comments I will not read so if I repeat something you said then it’s great minds think alike.
Sorry Huck. Your as out of touch as Akin. He didn’t make a mistake, he didn’t misspeak, he wasn’t sincere in his apology and he most certainly didn’t anticipate the reaction he got. That’s because he’s a dufus! Legitimate rape? The Female body will “shut” down. I sure don’t want an ignoramus like you or Akin writing any legislation to do with the health, sanity or body of my Wife, Daughter and Grand Daughters. Your the epitome of male chauvinists pigs! Just another example of how so many Repubs are out of the main stream.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
USinUK:
Thank God and Greyhound you’re gone !
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
UU — “I was going to say “let my embryo go” … but then I realized it sounds like some kind of energy drink … Embryogo”
They could have a little fetal Rolling Stones cartoon band in the commercial, singing ‘I know, I’m just an embryo, but I like it”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Only_Rock_%27n_Roll_(But_I_Like_It)
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
…Would it be rude to point out that Mitt’s prospered from the processing of these “potential humans” pro-criminalization folks are always crying about?
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
Libs are all in support of Women but when Bill Maher calls a prominent Republican woman a C&*T…they are fine with this?
Can you say hypocritical?
Obama took a sizable sum of money from Bill Maher:
- Calls women the C-word on his show.
- Was being sued by a playboy playmate for degrading racial comments?
That’s my problem with Bill Maher.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
Rape is not a moral justification for abortion.
Abortion is a legal procedure.
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
Wow! by the time I typed this there 272 comments. Maybe I need a good laugh and will read some of them!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
There will come a day when people will look back on history (just like we do now with the slavery issue) and say, “how could ‘good people’ have killed so many innocent unborn children?”
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
0311 — “That’s right …………. you wouldn’t know”
I have no idea whether “Duty, Honor and Country” mean anything to you any more, and as I said, that’s why I asked.
“because you have always been “kept by better men than yourself.”
Oh, my. Three lies in a day. What would Chesty Puller say? (giggling)
“Good to see you admit that.”
Oh, Punkin, why do you go on lying? That’s four for the day.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
“Ethel Waters was born in Chester, Pennsylvania on October 31, 1896, as a result of the RAPE (emphsis added) of her teenaged mother, Louise Anderson (believed to have been thirteen years old at the time, although some sources indicate she may have been slightly older) by John Waters, a pianist and family acquaintance from a mixed-race middle-class background, who played no role in raising Ethel.[1] Ethel Waters was raised in poverty and never lived in the same place for more than 15 months. She said of her difficult childhood, “I never was a child. I never was cuddled, or liked, or understood by my family.”[2]
AND THANK GOD WE WERE BLESSED WITH HER PRESENCE ALL THOSE YEARS !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Jmu0zG9rE
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
On second thought!
td
August 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Jay,
Why are you blocking my quotes from Senator Al Franken?
That Black Guy
August 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
11:29 am
Just because people vote republican does not mean we blidly follow what some people want to say is the offical platform.
If you’re voting for a candidate, that vote is an agreement with that person’s principles, whether you think it is or not. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Green Party candidate. Who votes for someone with whom they disagree with?
________________________________________
I voted for Obama.
I don’t think you have to agree 100% with a candidate to vote for them (BTW, I don’t think you think that either). They just have to have enough positives to outweigh the negatives. IMO.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Mama:
You giggle ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
That explains a lot.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
What are the odds that a majority of states would approve anti-abortion amendment?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
0311 — “You giggle ?”
I have done so here for months. Catch up to the rest of the class, Poindexter.
“That explains a lot.”
I’m still wondering what could explain your almost pathological fixation on lying today. Tell me about your childhood. (giggling)
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Speaking of women’s rights, I have heard that women have been forced to go to Mexico for the “day after” pill, which is sold over the counter there. How long will it be that they will be forced to go there for back alley procedures? I think that back in the days before legalized abortions, seven women a day died of complications from botched abortions. Do we really want to go back there?
———————
I just don’t get it. The best way to prevent abortion is to provide contraceptives, and lots of them. Men and women are biologically made to want and like sex. It’s the way God made us. Quit trying to change women into Nuns and men into Priests. We all know how well that went.
Mandingo
August 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
This GOP knothead, Todd Akin, is not a victim. This comes with the territory when you put Team Politics ahead of your districts best interests. Every GOP knothead elected to any office claims to represent the American public . When in fact , they were elected by a handful of white guys in a gerrymandered district set up for them. The President and Vice President are the only elected officials qualified to be a voice of the American Public. They are elected to represent Americans from voters in all 50 states. If the “Todd Akins” of our Congress would just do their job and vote their beliefs and conscience our system of government could begin to function again. Until then, welcome to life at the bottom from a world economic and moral perspective.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
what I heard was an American being divided[sic] by lack of assimilation.
Geez, now we’re handing out benefits to prokaryotes. Where will it all end?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
S. Ray — “What are the odds that a majority of states would approve anti-abortion amendment?”
Not very good, but I’d love it if they tried.
Larry
August 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
I think the general public was surprised at Akin’s ignorance. It is scary that this man is have been coauthoring legislation with a man posed to be the next Vice President of the United States.
It is sad that a party would tolerate this level of ignorance until such time that it might affect the outcome of the next presidential election.
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
These are all great points…I figured I would repost them for those just joining the discussion:
-Unemployment is above 8% for 42 months straight and seems to be getting worse.
-Our debt is $16 Trillion ($5.2 trillion under Obama)
-Gas prices are up
-Housing prices are down
-Obama told me “I didn’t build this”
-Obama told me I could “come along for the ride but I would be in the back seat”
-Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare
-Obama hangs with the Hollyweirdos and takes $1 million from Bill Maher
-Joe Biden is telling African Americans they will be “put back in chains”
-Tim Geithner is a tax cheat
-Eric Holder is corrupt
td
August 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
Franken: “And, ‘I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then, when Lesley’s passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her.’ Or, ‘That’s why you never see Lesley until February.’ Or, ‘When she passes out, I put her in various positions and take pictures of her.’” Senator Al Franken
Since you libs are on such a high and mighty stance today then let us here the defense of this comment.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
Obama took a sizable sum of money from Bill Maher:
– Calls women the C-word on his show.
– Was being sued by a playboy playmate for degrading racial comments?
Yep Obama took the money, just as Mitt takes money from any number of “offending sources” and Rush, who calls women all sorts of things, speaks at Republican events……..
So let’s hear the poutrage against Mitt & Friends.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
THAT BLACK GUY,
I agree the problem is that I’m liberal on several issues and conservative on others…perhaps I should follow George Carlin’s advice and not vote…at least then I am free to criticize….
Voting DEM means I support OBAMA care and complete disregard for pending deficit driving ultimate collapse. If I vote GOP that means I side with the religious right, gun owners, and gridlock that would now be the domain of the DEMS…
HMMMM..
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
Come on shamrock, I bet your breakfast was cold too…
Real Scootter
August 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
yeah, and that worked SO well for Mary…didn’t it?
Good one Doggone!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
Nope …………… what I heard was an American being divided by lack of assimilation.
So now you are BORG?
Resistance if futile. LoScoutus.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Mama:
You’re tiring me ………… bye !
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
is
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
These are all great points…
Ummmm, no.
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Keep up the Good Fight for Romney…
Did Mitt take money from Rush? How much? When?
Or are you making things up?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Steve Shamrock…All Republican Parrot…
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
National debt $15983870600301 or $50,871 per capita or $139,954 per taxpayer – but let’s talk about abortion
Unfunded liabilities $120296583711026 or $1,053,315 per taxpayer but let’s talk of anything but spending and budgets. Still think tax increases are going to solve the problem?
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Sorry Kamchak…you are right…they are great quotes and facts.
My bad.
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Meanwhile, while we discuss abortion,a record 373,000 new people filed for unemployment in the US. Georgia’s unemployment went to 9.3%, a full point above the so called massaged national average. And 13 people are shot on one street in Chicago in less than 30 minutes. Buuuuut, that’s OK…… these are just peripheral issues, sort of like Romney’s dog and Sandra’s BC pills.
Jeeeze.
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
Steve Shamrock @ 1:14 No the President is NOT cutting 716 billion from Medicare. He’s cutting 716 billion paid to pig insurance as subsidies under Medicare C, or Medicare Advantage, a Bush/Repub initiative that is paying off like a slot machine to insurance co’s, big investors in Repubs. And, if your keeping up, R/R will keep it. The CBO says the Presidents plan will help and enhance Medicare. The R/R plan will bankrupt it before the end of their first term, if they have one. Check you facts.
Signed
A Medicare Beneficiary of 4 years who pays attention to facts.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
td — “Since you libs are on such a high and mighty stance today then let us here the defense of this comment.”
Why would we defend something like that?
Link, please.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
Aquagirl:
RIGHT:
Liberty
In God We Trust
E pluribus unum (out of many, one)
LEFT:
Equality
State Secularism
Multiculturalism
Author: Dennis Prager
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
“Since you libs are on such a high and mighty stance today then let us here the defense of this comment”
context please
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
STEVE,
Mostly all good undisputable points…you didn’t mention $5 jar of peanut butter. President Trillions has nothing to do with house prices and gas although his energy policy, driven by those who currently benefit and give him cash, is likely to make things worse. Obama Care is going the be worse that the Bush tax cuts in terms of costs. The debt is a massive problem that is getting no legitimate attention. Not sure there is any more corruption by either party…
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
0311 — “Mama: You’re tiring me ………… bye !”
I knew you didn’t have any staying power. (giggling)
That’s why I was Army. We pentrate deeper, go farther, stay longer and carry a heavier load.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Happens quite often ………… especially EEO stuff, pay equity, whistleblower issues.
And that’s not the case with the ICE Agents. Their lawsuit is because of a policy issue, not anything related towards the things you mentioned. The policy they are suing over is no different than the policy that gives people TPS (Temporary Protected Status) if they are from certain countries. That program has been on the books since the 1990’s.
Their suit, in my opinion, is nothing more than political leanings masquerading as some kind of justified stance in relation to their jobs. The scope of their job has not changed because of that action by Obama. If anything, they get a temporary reprieve to focus their tasks for 2 years.
I haven’t seen any news articles related to them rounding up and deporting school aged children before, so one would think that wasn’t high on their priority list anyway.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Hey Granny! From down below:
“Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette”
“What’s going on here ? Both of these places are “GUN FREE ZONES” !
Pardon me Mr. Digits, but that’s flat out wrong
Hand gun ban “shot down” by SCOTUS by….5-4.
2 years ago.”
Sorry Granny …………… go back and read Heller v. D.C.
That ruling established “in the home” as an individual right.
Illinois/Chicago and New York City do not allow carry on the streets (except for the criminals).
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Pizzaman…I must correct you…Obama is cutting $716 Billion to fund Obamacare…another entitlement.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
I’m sure he just learned it from John McCains conversations with his wife. You do know about that don’t you?
And while I hate that word….it’s certainly true that Ms. Palin
has done some serious name calling herself. If she didn’t want to take it she never should have started dishing it out.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
Oy vey…… In the 1995 New York magazine profile of “Saturday Night Live,” Franken is described among a group of show writers sounding out a possible parody of Andy Rooney centered on a sedative pill bottle found in the “60 Minutes” essayist’s desk. Franken and fellow writers Norm MacDonald and Jim Downey kick around fictional Rooney responses to the discovery of the bottle.
The article quotes Franken putting an edgy twist on the discussion: “And ‘I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then when Lesley’s passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her.’ Or ‘That’s why you never see Lesley until February.’ Or, ‘When she passes out I put her in various positions and take pictures of her.”
MacDonald takes it a step further, suggesting that the Rooney rape comment be directed at other “60 Minutes” icons Mike Wallace and Ed Bradley. Franken chimes in: “What about ‘I drag Mike into my office and rape him. Right here! I guess that makes me bad.’”
The skit never saw air after the final product got weak laughs in dress rehearsal, the magazine article said.
Ahh so the poutrage is now about comedy writers in the creative process of comedy writing and the false equivalence to the beliefs and party line of GOP candidates.
Can you cons be any more absurd?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
Why are you blocking my quotes from Senator Al Franken?
Jay never forgave him for Stuart Smalley.
Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
And in other news a disorganized community in Chicago has lost its organizer. This is what happens when liberals run a big city.
CHICAGO — Police say 13 people were shot and wounded in a 30-minute spate of violence in Chicago, including eight gunned down on a single street.
Authorities have been battling an increase in homicides in the city where some aldermen complain gangs have no fear of the police.
Police say a drive-by shooting on Chicago’s South Side late Thursday wounded seven men and one woman ranging in age from 14 to 20 years. Two of the victims were taken to Comer Children’s Hospital. Most are in stable condition. Police say the 19-year-old woman wounded was shot in the arm while walking to work.
Five people were wounded in three other shootings around the same time.
Police say 19 people were shot in Chicago on Thursday night and early Friday.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
Sorry Kamchak…you are right
Please don’t seek to put words in my mouth, stevie-poo. I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.
…they are great quotes and facts.
Ummmm, no.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
ARMY ……… “Aint’ Ready to be a Marine Yet”
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/23/13437321-faith-in-armys-direction-falls-to-all-time-low-survey-shows?lite
That Black Guy
August 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
Adam
August 24th, 2012
11:42 am
Who in public life is even willing to admit being a moderate Republican?
Re-quoted and re-asked. I want to know the answer to this.
____________________________________
Brown
Snowe
Richardson (I think that’s her name from Maine or VT)
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
PIZZAMAN,
I don’t see Obama’s Mediscare strategy any more effective than whats on the GOP agenda. I can guarantee that this OBAMACARE thingy is going to push the deficit into the stratosphere and render a material % of those currently uninsured without access..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
Thulsa:
You must be making that up. Chicago is a “gun free zone” !
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
Steve Shamrock @ 1:14 No the President is NOT cutting 716 billion
Steve is so proud of his cut ‘n pasties. Let the man enjoy them without, y’know, having to read or process or any of those think-y things. It ruins the fun for him.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Meanwhile, while we discuss abortion,a record 373,000 new people filed for unemployment
Just damn that Speaker Boenher for all that time he wasted since the 2010 JOBS JOBS JOBS election pushing (over 30?) abortion related billsthrough the house
What WAS he thinking?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
Seriously? They’re complaining that COMEDY WRITERS tossed around sick ideas?
that’s like complaining that your clean-up hitter keeps knocking balls over the fence.
td
August 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
td — “Since you libs are on such a high and mighty stance today then let us here the defense of this comment.”
Why would we defend something like that?
Link, please.
Jay has blocked the post with the link twice. Go to NYmag.com.
Comedy Isn’t Funny
Saturday Night Live at twenty—how the show that transformed TV became a grim joke.
By Chris Smith
Published
From the March 13, 1995 issue of New York Magazine.
Since Franken is now out stumping for the President with the VP should we not also tie his views around Obama’s neck?
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
Would it be rude to point out that Mitt’s prospered from the processing of these “potential humans” pro-criminalization folks are always crying about?
dB
Nope. It’s actually interesting when you consider that Romneycare made the process so cheap that most anybody could afford one. What better way to boost your profits than to make your service availble to most anybody with $50 in their pockets.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
Shamrock, did I say Rush gave Mitt money? I don’t know. Maybe he did. We’ve not seen all the donors. You do know that Rush is a regular speaker at CPAC and other events right. Oh wait, your poutrage is only directed at one party.
How’s your day going with Ronald there? Can we expect more clownish commentary?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:38 pm
0311 — USMC = Uncle Sam’s Misbegotten Children
td
August 24th, 2012
1:39 pm
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
Seriously? They’re complaining that COMEDY WRITERS tossed around sick ideas?
So joking about drugging and raping women is alright.
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
1:39 pm
“Code Red” for Akin.
What color was Newt’s Code?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:39 pm
td — “Since Franken is now out stumping for the President with the VP should we not also tie his views around Obama’s neck?”
Since it has now been established that that was a COMEDY SKETCH being considered for Saturday Night Live, your lie has been exposed for what it is.
Sorry, td. Insert quarter and try again.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 24th, 2012
1:40 pm
“Meanwhile, while we discuss abortion,a record 373,000 new people filed for unemployment in the US. Georgia’s unemployment went to 9.3%, a full point above the so called massaged national average. And 13 people are shot on one street in Chicago in less than 30 minutes.”
Yeah, when are those job creators going to create jobs? And when is Congress going to pass some sensible Gun regulations? The House of Representatives could do it easily….but they won’t…they’d rather pass multiple anti abortion resolutions. They have their mind so focused on a woman’s vagina that they should be classed XXX.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
How about that U.S. Army under our current Commander in Chief’s leadership ?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/23/13437321-faith-in-armys-direction-falls-to-all-time-low-survey-shows?lite
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
Another liberal butt whipping on Jay’s blog…
got to get back to work so I can pay for some more liberal entitlements.
USMC
August 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
U.S. ARMY Survival Guide….
https://twitter.com/MidwestMarines/status/193915477557387267/photo/1/large
(sorry Scout, couldn’t help myself… back to work)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
“They have their mind so focused on a woman’s vagina that they should be classed XXX.”
Hummmm …………… and I thought the issue was whether or not it was an unborn child ?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
1:43 pm
0311 — “How about that U.S. Army under our current Commander in Chief’s leadership ?”
I wish y’all would make up your mind about whether he’s the CINC or not. Why, just yesterday, I saw some Navy SEAL practically spitting the words ‘we did that, not you’ on tha teevee.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:44 pm
TBG @ 1:23
I’ve said my votes as of lately have been the “lesser of two evils” choices. I haven’t found many politicians that I have more than 60% agreement with. However, I am of the opinion that when a vote is cast for a candidate, that is an agreement with their stances, even if that’s not your intent. I have, in many an election, simply checked the write-in box and put a name in as opposed to choosing candidates on the ballot.
Trolls Bane
August 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
If the Fundie and Catholic controlled repuke party has its way, religious doctrine masquerating as science will be written into law. Make no mistake, all forms of contraception with the exception of condoms, sterilization, or the “rythym method” will be outlawed … congruent with church teaching.
http://www.lifeissues.org/abortifacients/index.html … the Pill is considered to be abortion … as well as IUDs
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
Another liberal butt whipping on Jay’s blog…
got to get back to work so I can pay for some more liberal entitlements.
Declaring victory while backing out the door. Sounds very familiar….
Fearful!
August 24th, 2012
1:46 pm
About to head out but saw this little blip: Romney data mining
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-exclusive-romney-uses-1505226.html
nelson
August 24th, 2012
1:46 pm
I have to admit a party that will so easily desert one of their own is in serious trouble. Where are the principals, the integrity, the fortitude. It is hard to imagine victory when retreating.
I do not think the democrat liberals would desert their principals of spreading the wealth far and wide so everyone has a chicken in their pot and a car in the garage I hate to tell that story again about the lad that was saying when he grew up he would give all the homeless a new home.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:46 pm
So joking about drugging and raping women is alright.
If you read the piece, you’d recognize that the joke–which wasn’t, you know, actually WRITTEN INTO AN ACTUAL SCRIPT?–centered on how it ISN’T all right, that Andy Rooney would be DEFENDING his (fictional!) indefensible behavior.
You really think kicking around that sort of stuff doesn’t go on everywhere? it’s brainstorming. You determine where the edge is, go past it, and then pull back to refine the material.
Sheesh, have you ever actually written anything?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
td, I am sure your poutrage can be directed toward Sam Kinnison. Here you go, enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVmiHPG-028&feature=related
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
Another liberal butt whipping on Jay’s blog…got to get back to work so I can pay for some more liberal entitlements.
Rising with a bullet on the pompous leader board.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
butt whipping and vaginas
gotta love the righties….
Sounds like a GOP retreat
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
JHM @ 1:43
TGT
August 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Let me help you Kam: I’m talking about morality NOT legality when it comes to rape and abortion. If abortion becomes illegal in every situation except when the life of the mother is in danger (as would be the case in MANY states, including GA, if Roe is overturned), are you then going to cease arguing in favor of abortion?
Didn’t think so.
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Granny…sounds like Slick Willy Clinton…just need some cigars thrown in there….
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:51 pm
Sheesh, have you ever actually written anything?
Can he count his blog posts even though he’s used the works of others?
td
August 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
“td, I am sure your poutrage can be directed toward Sam Kinnison”
Sam Kinnison is not a US Senator but Al Franken is and is out on the stump with the VP campaigning for Obama’s re election.
Just pointing out the extreme hypocrisy coming from you leftest on this issue.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
td, you point out something that a comedy writer did 13 years before he ran for Senator….. Comedy does NOT equal belief and we don’t even know the full context of the skit which may have, for example, been to demonstrate the absurdity of certain claims….
But hey, enjoy your pout while we laugh at you.
So you have shown nothing other than you got the absurd talking points of the right.
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
No mention of a suit brought by ICE, suing our Homeland Security Chief for inability to enforce US immigration laws. This is directly tied to the WH and Bozo’s executive order ignoring our Congress and our laws. This is what happens when this arrogant buffoon takes the law into his own hands and ignores the balance of power stipulated by our Constitution. And you sheep are going to vote for this clown. You are just as ignorant as he is. And we continue to talk about abortion.
Jeeze
Newby
August 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
Steve Shanrock: “Obama is cutting $716 Billion”
I just kills me when cons criticize budget cuts!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
Can he count his blog posts
No. I don’t think this claptrap we post here–ok, 99.5% of the stream-of-consciousness claptrap, anyway–should be considered “writing.”
It’s conversation, basically. For every thoughtful Mary Elizabeth piece (or, I should add, well-honed Redneck Convert post–some certainly fall into that category) there are about 48 “U R TEH STOOPIT” variants.
And mind you, I probably self-censor a half-dozen posts of my own if I’m of a mood to bother to actually read what I’ve typed, prior to hitting “submit.”
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
GOP is all for small Govt , unless it relates to your bedroom……….
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
I should’ve said “on any given day, a half-dozen posts of my own…” @ 1.56.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
Let me help you Kam: I’m talking about morality NOT legality when it comes to rape and abortion.
I understood that at the time, Trev.
But when someone starts talking about morality, it’s usually an invitation to a guilt trip on the shame train.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
If abortion becomes illegal in every situation except when the life of the mother is in danger (as would be the case in MANY states, including GA, if Roe is overturned), are you then going to cease arguing in favor of abortion?
Abortion is legal and yet you continue to argue for legislation to prevent it. I respect that, and would never suggest that you didn’t have the right to be politically active in that cause.
If Roe v, Wade is overturned will you deny that same sort of voice and political activism?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
Steve Shamrock
August 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Granny…sounds like Slick Willy Clinton…just need some cigars thrown in there….
.
You invite Former President Clinton to your retreats? That’s nice.
I understand y’all are little to scared to invite the current President again.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
dB
Well, I was gonna try to give him credit for a post over at Galloways. Seems that he posted that same thing @ 1:31 over there as he posted @ 1:32 here. Seems that somebody’s hard at work trolling blogs.
Mr Right
August 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
Mr. Right — “So what about the people who have made their stand on an issue they have not experienced, NOT BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE!”
Instead of sitting around waiting for chances to be given to them, they should get off their lazy butts like Mitt Romney and GO MAKE SOMETHING OF THEMSELVES instead of blaming their failures on others.
Isn’t that what y’all say? Take responsibility for yourself? (laughing)
Sorry Joe, but I just don’t find humor in killing babies!
Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
Oh noes. More bad news on the economic front. No wonder the libs want to talk about side issues like abortion as opposed to the dismal Obama economy.
Are you really better off than you were 4 years ago? Not according to this.
Household income down 4.8 percent since “economic recovery” began
9:29 am August 24, 2012, by David Markiewicz
A new report shows that real median household income, while improved since the end last year, is still down by 4.8 percent since the “economic recovery” began in June 2009.
That’s actually larger than the 2.6 percent decline in income that occurred during the official recession period from December 2007 to June 2009, and means that median household income is now 7.2 percent below the December 2007 level.
The findings are contained in Sentier Research’s report, “Changes in Household Income During the Economic Recovery: June 2009 to June 2012.
Median annual household income declined during the recession from $54,916 in December 2007 to $53,508 in June 2009. During the so-called recovery, it continued to fall, to $50,964.
“Based on our data, almost every group is worse off now than it was three years ago, with the exception of households with householders 65 years old and over,” said Gordon Green of Sentier Research.
“For some groups of households _ Blacks, men living alone, younger and upper middle-age brackets, those with some college but no degree, the unemployed, the self-employed, and those living in the West _ the declines tended to be larger than average.”
The findings are contained in Sentier Research’s report, “Changes in Household Income During the Economic Recovery: June 2009 to June 2012.
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Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
K71 — “No mention of a suit brought by ICE, suing our Homeland Security Chief for inability to enforce US immigration laws. This is directly tied to the WH and Bozo’s executive order ignoring our Congress and our laws. This is what happens when this arrogant buffoon takes the law into his own hands and ignores the balance of power stipulated by our Constitution. And you sheep are going to vote for this clown. You are just as ignorant as he is.”
Actually, you’re the ignorant one here.
The President simply took an EXISTING DHS/ICE policy and put his weight behind it. I’ve posted the internal document here (that spells the policy out and is dated over a year ago) here many times.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
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thelma spam.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
No mention of a suit brought by ICE
Yes, it is terribly newsworthy that one can find 10 right-wing @ssholes in any large government agency willing to grandstand for a cause, particularly around election time.
I mean, it’s being led by the Kansas secretary of state. That’s like one rank above “Michigan Militia Grand Wizard.”
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
Mitt romney has a plan for the economy? Go ahead lay it for us all, I want to know…
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
Mr. Right — “Sorry Joe, but I just don’t find humor in killing babies!”
Shrug. There’s no baby involved. Feti yes. Babies no.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
Well, I was gonna try to give him credit for a post over at Galloways.
ah… gotcha.
Mr Right
August 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
GOP is all for small Govt , unless it relates to your bedroom……….
If the Dems are so about small gov. in your bedroom, why do they think we as taxpayers should pay for their contraception?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
“Sorry Joe, but I just don’t find humor in killing babies!”
It was just a modest proposal, sheesh.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
“Sam Kinnison is not a US Senator but Al Franken is”
And he STILL works for SNL? Who knew?!
Matti
August 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
I can’t look at a picture of Rev Huck without shuddering at the memory of watching him play his guitar and sing on his Sunday night show with guest Ted Nugent. They were doing Cat Scratch Fever, and Rev Huck was singing all the words correctly.
Ewwww! Ewwww! Ewwwwww! Please, somebody get this out of my head!
Mr Right
August 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
Shrug. There’s no baby involved. Feti yes. Babies no.
Wow Joe, Wow! Such a COLD heart!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
Mr. Right — “If the Dems are so about small gov. in your bedroom, why do they think we as taxpayers should pay for their contraception?”
If you get your boner pills paid for by your health insurer, then why would you be opposed to a woman getting her Ortho-Tricyclen paid for the same way?
Or don’t you think the government is in your bedroom if you use boner pills? Besides, you didn’t build that boner — your health insurer did.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
why do they think we as taxpayers should pay for their contraception?
Why not? It’s part of healthcare. Medicaid should pay for elective abortion as well, but the candy-ass Democrats haven’t had the balls to take the Hyde Amendment out back and shoot it, like they should’ve years ago.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Mr. Right — “Wow Joe, Wow! Such a COLD heart!”
How terrible for you that people can actually disagree with each other.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Funny how the conned have all the poutrage directed at former comedy writers but have no problem electing convicted criminals and those who resign to avoid ethics charges.
Pout on!
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
matti
I saw that too! It was quite incredible, the huckster in coat and tie playing with the nuge! Huck was solid on the bass, rock n roll transcends politics IMHO…
skydog
August 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
Mitt just made a birther foot in mouth.
Os spokesman lit him up big time!
These guys are trying to lose.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
“Sorry Joe, but I just don’t find humor in killing babies!”
Of course not. Killing babies is illegal
Holy Moly!
August 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
thulsa – is that excitemnt in your post? Your happy the economy hasn’t been turned around in 3.5 years after 8 long years of tearing it apart under the watchful eye of the prior adminsitration? Please don’t tell me the right is happy people are having a tough time so that it might get Romney votes.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
“why do they think we as taxpayers should pay for their contraception?”
We don’t. Next question.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
or loose
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
Wonder if ole Huck “made her________ purr with the stroke of his hand”
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
What cracks me up is that people like doom, yaker, and rb, complain about obama’s abysmal economic record but how much of it is really out of his control anyway? I mean is the whole of europes distress obama’s fault too? What exactly is it that the mittsiah will do that they are so confident of? I’d really like to know besides cut taxes and blame obama…
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
Mick
yes it does transcend politics
If you can play, you can play……… period
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
The ICE lawsuit would not be necessary if someone was doing their job. Clearly, Homeland Security is just a mouthpiece for Bozo and his ignoring our present immigration laws.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
kayaker
Scout beat ya to that one. It’s nothing more than political grandstanding. Same as the SEAL’s and their PAC. A true agent does their job, stays out of politics, and would have no problem in communicating that very thing to you. They just need to make sure they don’t run afoul of the Hatch Act in the process. With the people they’re allowing to co-sign their lawsuit, it’s gonna get very political at lightning speed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Mama:
He is ………. and they did ………. not him.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Newby
August 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
It’s a “proposed budget cut” that he then uses to spend someplace else. And what happens when the “proposed budget cut” doesn’t materialize (aka the Doc fix). It’s called more deficit spending. I’ll do the Missouri thing of I’ll believe it’s a budget cut when real spending goes down.Taking imaginary dollars from one program to pay for another program is one of the reasons we are in this mess and both sides are guilty of it. There are no blameless parties when it comes to spending.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
the economy hasn’t been turned around in 3.5 years after 8 long years of tearing it apart under the watchful eye of the prior adminsitration?
8 years?
Try 32 years, and that includes the Clinton administration.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:15 pm
Killing babies is illegal
but but, State Senator Obama didn’t vote for that bill that woulda made it super duper double-plus illegal, which means he is pro-babykilling. Apparently.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
0311 — “He is ………. and they did ………. not him.”
Your concession is noted. Obama is the CinC and enjoys the same degree of congratulations and success in getting OBL and Qaddafi that Bush enjoyed in getting Saddam Hussein.
USMC
August 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
Anderson Cooper exposes hypocrisy and out right lies of DNC leaders on abortion…
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/23/anderson-cooper-keeps-dnc-honest/?hpt=hp_tvbx
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
USMC:
“U.S. ARMY Survival Guide….
https://twitter.com/MidwestMarines/status/193915477557387267/photo/1/large
(sorry Scout, couldn’t help myself… back to work) ”
Yep ……….. remember the 7th U.S. Army Regiment at the Frozen Chosin ?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
2:17 pm
“No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised,” Romney declared to loud cheers
Birthers
….. seems Mitt panders and joins them. How low will Mitt go?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:17 pm
“Your concession is noted. Obama is the CinC and enjoys the same degree of congratulations and success in getting OBL and Qaddafi that Bush enjoyed in getting Saddam Hussein.”
On that we can agree ……………… as long as the President uses the term “they (the SEALS) got him and not “me”.
azazel
August 24th, 2012
2:18 pm
just in: on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another ‘method of conception’
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
2:18 pm
Kam @ 2:14
I agree. Take out the technology boom that started in the 80s and really took off with the dot.com bubble along with the housing / construction bubble and our economy hasn’t been doing much across the board for sometime now.
Of course there remains certain sectors that are doing well, but it has been sometime since our economy had been really kicking a$$.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
The ICE lawsuit would not be necessary
Yeah, I hear a lot from conservatives about what is “necessary” since that uppity guy snuck into the White House. New Voter ID requirements to prevent imaginary voter fraud; requiring beat cops to become immigration agents, and suchlike.
(I don’t actually believe any of it, mind you. But I sure do hear a lot about it.)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
Kammy:
“If Roe v, Wade is overturned will you deny that same sort of voice and political activism?”
Of course …………. in the same way that people fought for the reinstitution of slavery by a different name.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
0311
I guess if a general wins the battle it should be the men not he or the strategy?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
Mr Right
August 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
GOP is all for small Govt , unless it relates to your bedroom……….
If the Dems are so about small gov. in your bedroom, why do they think we as taxpayers should pay for their contraception?
The same reason we pay for your Viagra prescription. So you can have a healthy normal sex life
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
Granny: butt whipping and vaginas gotta love the righties….
Sounds like a GOP retreat
You forgot to mention their habit of having “wide stances” to the mix!
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OK below is a stupid comment alert — please be aware and if there are any innocent republicans (the ones who aren’t really as bad as their peers), reading this blog – please leave now before your head explode:
STUPID STATEMENT ALERT!!!
If the Dems are so about small gov. in your bedroom, why do they think we as taxpayers should pay for their contraception?
This has been a public service annoucement by the “Women who pay for their own birth control via health insurance that comes out of their paychecks”; service. Thank you.
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This is what happens when this arrogant buffoon takes the law into his own hands and ignores the balance of power stipulated by our Constitution
Please point out WHERE in the constitution, (Article and paragraph), that the president is “ignoring the balance of power….blah,blah,blah”.
I’ll wait — at least until your mom gets home from work and makes you clean up your room….
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
0311 — “Yep ……….. remember the 7th U.S. Army Regiment at the Frozen Chosin ?”
I prefer to recall how the Army had to come finish the job at Guadalcanal.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
Mick,
An economic agenda would be nice besides saying it’s out of my control. Getting a little tired of the “well, I inherited a mess” routine. It’s time for the genius to tell us how he’s going to create jobs instead of dallying in and out of the “green” sector hoping some revolution will start there. We didn’t elect him to hope that things will get better. He was elected because he was going to get the country moving again. He hasn’t been any more effective than GWB.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
0311 — “On that we can agree ……………… as long as the President uses the term “they (the SEALS) got him and not “me”.
You just let me know when and if President Bush ever used that term.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
The ICE lawsuit would not be necessary if someone was doing their job.
Those kids are getting a form of TPS (Temporary Protected Status) and nothing else. TPS has been around since the 1990’s as well.
What is TPS
The Secretary of Homeland Security may designate a foreign country for TPS due to conditions in the country that temporarily prevent the country’s nationals from returning safely, or in certain circumstances, where the country is unable to handle the return of its nationals adequately. USCIS may grant TPS to eligible nationals of certain countries (or parts of countries), who are already in the United States. Eligible individuals without nationality who last resided in the designated country may also be granted TPS.
The Secretary may designate a country for TPS due to the following temporary conditions in the country:
Ongoing armed conflict (such as civil war)
An environmental disaster (such as earthquake or hurricane), or an epidemic
Other extraordinary and temporary conditions
Have those same agents filed any lawsuits over people from Nicaragua or Honduras who have been given TPS and had it extended since the 1990’s? I seriously doubt many people who are whining about the kids are even aware of TPS status. I swear, sometimes education should be used for something other than budget cuts.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
Of course …………. in the same way that people fought for the reinstitution of slavery by a different name.
You …….. don’t …………………… respond … to …………….. lunacy.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
madmax
What about all the initiatives that he presented to the house? No, no, no, was what he got back. I mean really, who writes the legislation anyway? That goes with the turf of being president but it’s just too much of being an easy target..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
This is the kind of commander/Army we need today but alas ………….. this would be just too “insensitive” to the Germans.
From “The Longest Winter” by Alex Kershaw (2004)
“Some of the men saw a jeep speed toward the (POW) camp gates. An American flag fulttered from it, and a tall man was distinguishable, standing with
his back as straight as a board ……………………the jeep skidded to a halt just inside the camp ……………….. Patton was immediately rushed by a mass of
thin, weeping men.
Patton then pointed to the German flag flying from a nearby flagpole and shouted in his high-pitched voice: ‘I want that son-of-a-bitch cut down, and the man that cuts it down, I want him to wipe his a** with it!’ “
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
“I prefer to recall how the Army had to come finish the job at Guadalcanal.”
Yes ………. they were garrison troops so the Marines could be used for tougher assignments.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
“You …….. don’t …………………… respond … to …………….. lunacy.”
And I probably shouldn’t have responded to someone who is just fine with the killing of unborn children.
Sorry ………. excuse my previous post.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
Mick:
“I guess if a general wins the battle it should be the men not he or the strategy?”
And that would be correct. At least a good general would present it that way.
Drudge
August 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
Wow – Jay, are you really letting yourself continue to be distracted by tertiary issues when we are staring at the edge of a financial cliff? Incomes fell more since Obama’s “recovery” started in 09, SS disability has tripled, food stamps have doubled, workforce participation hasn’t been lower in almost 40 years – and you are talking about Huckabee on abortion? In fact, we are all worse off than we were 3 years ago, but I guess you prefer illusion to despair…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
Mr. Digits
Why are you anti-abortion?
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
2:29 pm
Mick,
Leaders get it done, this guy hasn’t gotten any bi-patisan legislation through since he started that’s worth speaking of other than the extension of the tax cuts. Maybe, he should sit down and work it out behind the scenes instead of grandstanding and whining.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
2:29 pm
What cracks me up is that people like doom, yaker, and rb, complain about obama’s abysmal economic record but how much of it is really out of his control anyway?
What I find ha!ha! funny is the fact that the majority of these people live in republican run states that have majority republican voting blocks. Yet they complain about jobs, and OBAMA’s RECORD!! They NEVER complain about the abysmal republican GOVERNOR’s RECORD!!
The Governor’s record in their home state, would affect their lives more directly and much more quickly; yet somehow, and I really don’t know why, they remain curiously silent about that.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
2:29 pm
On that we can agree ……………… as long as the President uses the term “they (the SEALS) got him and not “me”.
Well, if you actually actively listened to what the President said instead of hearing what you wanted to hear, you would have heard that very thing. On the night Osama was killed, these were his exact words…
“Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”
Nowhere in that statement did he say HE killed Bin Laden. Yet, people seem to think he’s taking credit for that. His credit for killing Bin Laden comes in the same vein that Bush gets credit for capturing Hussein as JHM stated earlier.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:31 pm
Drudge
Most logically that question sgould be asked here:
http://www.speaker.gov/
skydog
August 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
Why are you anti-abortion?
Unborn babies can`t go on to Penn St.?
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
0311
Depends on your generals too, you know. I mean hannibal defeated the romans at cannae by nearly overwhelming odds, they were outnumbered 8 to 1 but he had the correct strategy. Whereby general and president saddam hussein put his men out in the desert with no cover and his men were annihilated in days. The person at the top matters very much with their decisions and strategy…
Robert Lee
August 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
When the pro lifers start adopting all the unwanted kids and foster kids, then we can talk about abortions. Until then I expect they will continue with the “Love the fetus, Hate the child”. Unfortunately, some hard decisions have to be made by adults and consequently, some people make bad decisions but it still comes down to the ability to make your own decisions and some people think they know better than everyone else.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Maybe, he should sit down and work it out behind the scenes instead of grandstanding and whining”
NO ONE can “work it out” with someone whose only answer is “my way or the highway”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
Brosephus…. great post. Somehow I dont think Sir Digits will have the courage to acknowledge it or to apologize for his false claims. Brave brave Sir Digits.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Throughout this campaign, Governor Romney has embraced the most strident voices in his party instead of standing up to them,” he said. “It’s one thing to give the stage in Tampa to Donald Trump, Sheriff Arpaio, and Kris Kobach. But Governor Romney’s decision to directly enlist himself in the birther movement should give pause to any rational voter across America.”
willie robme is a birther.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
Brosephus:
Then you had better notify his staff and campaign managers.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
Doggone – that’s a two way street if you look closely
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
Oh Mr Digits…..
Why are you against abortion?
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
Bro
The problem is that their interpretation fits what they wanted him to have said, so it doesn’t matter what he actually said or didn’t say.
Sad but true
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
The Crackpot Caucus
… I was going to quote some choice bits, but they’re ALL choice bits.
Seriously, read the whole thing. We have a GOP House full of these embryo-worshiping, science-denying morons.
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
Al Franken was once unable
to tie his shoes thus he is
incapable of doing the job
of a US Senator.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
BS ALERT!! BS ALERT!!! BS ALERT!!!
And that would be correct. At least a good general would present it that way.
This alert was brought to you by the Great Generals of History whom we remember, (like Grant, Sherman, Patton and Pershing), and not the enlisted men whom we don’t. Sad, but true.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
“The person at the top matters very much with their decisions and strategy…”
“Soldiers” can overcome a bad strategy ………… but a good strategy without soldiers to execute it is ……….. well, except for on paper ………. nothing.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
**Maybe, he should sit down and work it out behind the scenes**
You have got to be kidding me, he offered them everything but the kitchen sink in the last budget battle and they said “NO” because to a true republican compromise or in obama’s case agreement, is a dirty word. You know it’s true…
givememyfairshare
August 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
yes, all repubs are hypocrites and extremists when it comes to abortion. Oboma, with his desire to kill babies born after a botched abortion, is much more mainstream
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
Doggone – that’s a two way street if you look closely
OH?
Did the Democrats have a meeting the night of the inauguration to dream up stuff the GOP could obstruct?
Ah, Nope.
silly silly silly
getalife
August 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
Time to roll over willie.
Weakest gop candidate ever.
Are you paying attention Independents?
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
“Doggone – that’s a two way street if you look closely”
Sorry, if you don’t quote me I have NO idea what you are responding to.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:37 pm
Robert Lee:
“When the pro lifers start adopting all the unwanted kids and foster kids, then we can talk about abortions.”
When anti-slavers start taking in all those slaves and their families, then we can talk about
slavery.”
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
2:37 pm
“Oboma, with his desire to kill babies born after a botched abortion, is much more mainstream”
When you lie to make your point, you have NO POINT.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:37 pm
givememyfairshare
August 24th, 2012
2:35 pm
yes, all repubs are hypocrites and extremists when it comes to abortion. Oboma, with his desire to kill babies born after a botched abortion, is much more mainstream
THAT IS A LIE.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 24th, 2012
2:37 pm
ITs her vagina she can haul coal in it if she wants to….. … Todd Akin.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
The swift boat attack on getting obl is aiding the enemy.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
barking frog
I can’t say that I know much of Franken’s record in the Senate.
I can say that I have twice listened to Boortz and Dupree discuss Franken. Both times, Boortz attempted to get Dupree to say that Franken was not a good Senator. Each time Dupree told him that was not the case and from what he knew directly and heard indirectly was that Franken seemed to be doing a decent job as well as making friends with some of his brethren across the aisle.
Of course that wasn’t what Boortz wanted to hear nor want his flock to hear so he quickly changed the subject.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
Granny:
Because I believe with all my heart that it is the taking of an innocent “human” life …………. in the same manner that innocent “human” beings were enslaved (for not being human).
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:39 pm
0311
Slavery? As if there aren’t enough issues to toss around, get up to speed…
Matti
August 24th, 2012
2:39 pm
Mick,
I respect solid guitar rockin’ as much as you do. I was not bothered by Rev Huck’s playing, and will indeed turn up the Nuge on the radio, provided it’s one of his songs, and not his brainless nattering.
What disturbed me was watching the good reverend correctly sing all the words to Cat Scratch Fever. Never mind that the song is utterly disrespectful to women (it’s rock ‘n’ roll; I can handle it), but coming from the Rev, that was just creepy.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:40 pm
0311 — “Yes ………. they were garrison troops so the Marines could be used for tougher assignments.”
Negative, Marine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Order_of_Battle#Army
Infantry, artillery and engineers might be garrison troops in the Marine Corps, but that’s not how it works in the Army.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
Mick:
It’s the same concept in my opinion (inhuman/subhuman) and I assume you are aware of all the slavery that still exists in the world today …………… because “good people” can be evil.
Robert Lee
August 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
0311, well duh! Ever heard of the Underground Railroad?
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
Keep: Brave Brave Sir Digits
OMG! I had a flashback!! [paraphrased] Brave Brave Sir “digits” bravely ran away…ran away bravely — when horror raised its ugly head brave sir digits turned his tail and fled; brave brave sir digits!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SJ0xR2_bQ
getalife
August 24th, 2012
2:43 pm
scout said he is satire.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
2:43 pm
0311 — “And that would be correct. At least a good general would present it that way.”
Maybe in the Corps, but I seriously doubt an Army CG would say or do that,
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
They both Suck
Really. I guess he overcame
that shoe tieing thing.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
Mick – Please enlighten us with all of the “compromises” he made. Were there any real meaningful spending cuts (not hypothetical slowing down the rate of increase but real cuts) that would impact the deficit. He held onto his targeted tax increases (which you know are only symbolic) and refused to budge on spending. And he did it in pulic. His jobs bill was a joke – all it addressed was local government employees. Thiose should be local decisions – why should I pay for school teachers, firefighters and policemen in Fargo if I don’t live in Fargo – Fargo has the option of raising their taxes to cover their expenses and we in each of own communities have that same option.
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
Steve Shamrock @ 1:34. Look it up. It’s NOT 716 from Medicare. It’s 716 in SUBSIDIES to big Repub benefactors, pig insurance. You can drink the kool aide but facts don’t seem to matter.
Jack
August 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
The abortion issue or debate is not going to be settled in mine or Bookman’s lifetime. He’s disturbing electrons with his huffing and puffing.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
2:45 pm
Its been decided, get over it, don’t do it if you don’t want to, mind your own business, the court said exactly whose business it is.
Anymore sad sacks out there ?
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:45 pm
matti
I’ll have to watch it again; I thought the rev was being your typically stone faced bass player – no vocals…
Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
2:45 pm
Kamchak,
Nice try of reversing Towncrier’s Kam spam but the label is stuck on you-Kamspam. And its very befitting your many worthless posts. Go back to the world of Gor loser.
Why do birds suddenly appear
Every time Doomy is near
Just like Kam they long to be
Close to Doom.
La la la….la la la la…. la la la…..la la la
Kam longs to be
Close to Doom
Why do stars fall down from the sky
Every time Doomy walks by,
Just like kam they long to be
Close to Doom
On the day that Doom was born the angels got together
and decided to create a dream called Doom
So they sprinkled moondust in his hair,
of gold and starlight in his eyes so blue,
That is why all the Libs in town,
Follow Doom all around,
Just like kam they long to be
Close to Doom
La la la…. la la la la la…… laaaaa laaaaa laaaaaa
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
Mama:
Like I said, they were there in large part to “garrison the place” and to keep the Japanese from retaking it. The Marines were needed elsewhere.
“The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines.
Lord, how they could fight! [MGen. Frank E. Lowe, USA; Korea, 26
January 1952]”
“Why in hell can’t the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the
same kind of men; why can’t they be like Marines. [Gen. John J.
"Black Jack" Pershing, USA; 12 February 1918]”
“I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and
there is not a finer fighting organization in the world! [Gen.
Douglas MacArthur, USA; Korea, 21 September 1950]”
…………. and LAST BUT NOT LEAST !
“We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the
northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in
the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?
[Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff;
during
the assault on Grenada, 1983]”
At ease Mama ………….. I have to go for the day !
Everyone be nice !!!
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
barking frog
Like I said, Dupree told Boortz that he would be surprised, but again I have no idea either way.
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
BTW Steveo Medicars is not an “entitlement”. I’ve been paying in for years and now pay $100 a month. No clue like so many!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
Why do birds suddenly appear
Every time Doomy is near
Just like Kam they long to be
Close to Doom.
thelma spam.
Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
Libs still talking about side issues like abortion. No surprise there. Hell I wouldn’t want to talk about the dismal economy either given the economic performance under the asshat in there now. They do loves they side issues they do.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
Is Scout trying to tell us that he spends his weekends working to rescue the tens of thousands of young sex slaves in America? AWESOME! Once a Marine, always as Marine! Dedicated to protecting the weakest members of society from being exploited, particularly children and young men and women — many of them unwanted and unmissed by their families — who were lured by the promise of love and care into the deep heck of addiction, prostitution, and worse. WAY TO GO, SCOUT! How can we contribute to your organization?
Or… was he telling us that he spends his time whining and boo-hooing that it’s actually legal for a rape victim to abort the tainted fruit in her violated womb?
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
2:49 pm
Never ever ever forget.
Hard core conservatives – mainly those from the southern white Christian church whose membership fed the Ku Klux Klan – were and still are the segregationists. They were the people who lynched, tortured and murdered blacks by the thousands. They are the people who fought tooth and nail against eliminating racial injustice and who cheered on Bull Connor and the other arch-conservatives.
And they are the exact same conservatives who now fight fervently to get American women to toe their line.
So to hear them – of all people – talk about their role in ending slavery is pathetic with a capital P…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:49 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
Granny:
Because I believe with all my heart that it is the taking of an innocent “human” life …………. in the same manner that innocent “human” beings were enslaved (for not being human).
.
.
I would suggest that as a person of faith, you should respect other people of faith who feel in their hearts ….differently.
As there are no direct words from the man we both follow, so would not that be the the truly Christian way?
Was Warren Hill an innocent life?
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:50 pm
0311
I hear you…it doesn’t work for me but that doesn’t matter..
madmax – sorry but there were enough stories written about the grand bargain with the boehner – who REFUSED!!! So think what you will with president obama and repubs the answer will always be no. That’s why we need a dem house – 23 more seats and we are there…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
Libs still talking about side issues like abortion. No surprise there. Hell I wouldn’t want to talk about the dismal economy either given the economic performance under the asshat in there now. They do loves they side issues they do.
side issues?
Like inSIDE more than half of the populations body?
Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
Award of the day goes to Towncrier for inventing the term kamspam a couple of nights ago. Could a spam award be any more appropriate??? Nope!
K
A
M
S
P
A
M
Love the ring of it!
Kamspam- “there’s your sign”, “the smoking gun is in the mushroom cloud”, worthless Thomas Jefferson quotes, blah blah blah. ha ha ha Kamspam.
Thanks towncrier.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
When anti-slavers start taking in all those slaves and their families, then we can talk about
slavery.”
Please oh please, tell me the correlation between slavery and abortion. Enquiring minds wanna know.
==============
Matti – Or… was he telling us that he spends his time whining and boo-hooing that it’s actually legal for a rape victim to abort the tainted fruit in her violated womb?
Exaclty Mattie – exactly.
TGT
August 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
Kam: If Roe is overturned, then those in favor of legalized abortion have every right to be politically active in support of their cause.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
The gop nominee is a birther.
CNN is looping his birther comment.
Pizzaman
August 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
So Steve Clown @ 1:46 it’s let the ACA send medical insurance costs into the “stratosphere” or let the insurance co’s do it depending on who is elected. I’ll take my chances with Medicare. “Keep your Gvermint hands off my Medicare” an unknown Repub in SC in 2008!
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
doom
Have to admit that was pretty funny and silly creative…hey its friday, thank god you’re working…
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
2:55 pm
It will never be overturned, go on.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
2:56 pm
Hey lets be kids again!!!
Doom with all your fruitness I guess that would make you the fruit of the doom! Ha ha
Ain't it Funny
August 24th, 2012
2:56 pm
Thulsa Doom —— “Libs still talking about side issues like abortion. No surprise there. Hell I wouldn’t want to talk about the dismal economy either given the economic performance under the asshat in there now.”
THIS JUST IN
HOPKINS, Minn. – Creating a potential headache for his campaign, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said big businesses in the U.S. were “doing fine” in part because they get advantages from offshore tax havens.
His comments echoed similar assertions about the state of big business by President Barack Obama which Romney has criticized. They’re also a reminder that the GOP candidate has kept some of his personal fortune in low tax foreign accounts.
“Big business is doing fine in many places,” Romney said during a campaign fundraiser Thursday. “They get the loans they need, they can deal with all the regulation. They know how to find ways to get through the tax code, save money by putting various things in the places where there are low tax havens around the world for their businesses.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
2:57 pm
Then you had better notify his staff and campaign managers.
Why? The history books will show that he was the sitting President at the time of Bin Laden’s killing. Carter is criticized as failing to get hostages that Reagan is credited with getting released. Clinton has continuously been criticized as letting Bin Laden get away. Bush is credited with the capture of Hussein. What makes Obama any different from those previous administrations in regards to the killing of Bin Laden?
If he’s to change his narrative, then that means that every previous administration will need to change theirs.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
2:58 pm
Matti, I have held the gold record for Cat Scratch Fever. My son took drum lessons from Atl. drummer Cliff Davies who was the drummer on Cat Scratch. Cliff did not speak too highly of the Nuge.
I didn`t know that song had bad stuff? I`m still playing Louie Louie on 33 1/3 trying to figure it out.
CONS ARE BACKSTABBING TWO FACED HYPOCRITES
August 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
When your up, your friends know who you are.
When you’re down, you know who your friends are.
barking frog
August 24th, 2012
3:00 pm
Read Roe v Wade. It is one
of the most logical and
concise opinions ever
wtitten by the SCOTUS.
It will not be overturned
and should not be used
politically.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:00 pm
0311 — “At ease Mama ………….. I have to go for the day ! Everyone be nice !!!”
I’ll see your Corps and raise you MG Anthony McAuliffe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_McAuliffe
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:02 pm
Hmmm… abortion is a side issue?… why I thought the bills to restrict were some of the first introduced by the House Republicans after 2010. Wonder why they ignored the economy to pursue all these silly side issues. Why is it part of the Republican Party platform?
I suspect that the pomposity booms have turned someone’s critical thinking skills (if they were ever present) to jelly.
CONS ARE BACKSTABBING TWO FACED HYPOCRITES
August 24th, 2012
3:03 pm
@Thulsa Doom
August 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
Libs still talking about side issues like abortion. No surprise there. Hell I wouldn’t want to talk about the dismal economy either given the economic performance under the asshat in there now. They do loves they side issues they do.
_______________________________________________________
CONS are the GIFT that KEEP on G-i-v-i-n-g.
They must not be living right (hypocrites).
heeheeheeheeheehee
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
“I am a Repuglican. I pledge to be stoooopid and ill informed all the days of my life.”
Remind us please how many reps live in Clayton County vs. libs???
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:06 pm
“CONS are the GIFT that KEEP on G-i-v-i-n-g.
They must not be living right (hypocrites).”
Yep – giving us another seat in the US House that used to be a lib seat.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:07 pm
keep
Also, don’t forget all the repub state houses and governors that are hell bent on protecting us from viral voter fraud! Gee thanks guys, keep as many legit dems from voting as possible, it’s so constitutional!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:07 pm
MM — “Remind us please how many reps live in Clayton County vs. libs???”
At least Clayton’s an *actual* county. (laughing)
the cat
August 24th, 2012
3:09 pm
Thulsa-I am surprised you are still allowed to post here after your bigoted, mysoginistic drunken tirades while Jay was on vacation.
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:10 pm
“I pledge to deny that there is any Jim Crowe. However, i will also pledge to NEVER tell that there IS a James Crowe Esquire.”
Don’t know who Jim Crowe was but I do know that Jim Crow laws were passed by none other than Southern Democrats. Do you want your “crowe” grilled or fried?
Joseph
August 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
I thought this story would have passed for you far left kooks by now… I guess your willing to talk about anything when your candidate has been such a failure???
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
“At least Clayton’s an *actual* county. (laughing)”
I will take a dysfunctional Fulton County over Clayton County any day moron.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
milton
I guess you could say the dems have evolved whilst the repubs continue to devolve at break neck speed…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
Well, I pray the Good Lord will help me. I’m on The List!
I started giving a few bucks to charity to help crippled kids and such. I like kids and want to see them grow up to be good people. How was I to know these charities swap lists? Next thing I know I’m getting four calls a day from charities—for homeless dogs, for veterans organizations, etc. They’ve got my name, address, and phone number. The calls are always from people that are reading a script and all the scripts end with, “Mr. Convert, how much can we count on to help these poor _____ today.?”
Silly me! I thought the donations I was making were private! Anyhow, I’m on The List, and the calls just won’t stop. I wish I’d just said no the first time.
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
…and here is the moon bat Dem Wasserman and her lies – blasted by CNN of all places
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/23/anderson-cooper-grills-debbie-wasserman-schultz-why-are-you-lying-about-romneys-position-on-abortion/
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
Thulsa-I am surprised you are still allowed to post here after your bigoted, mysoginistic drunken tirades while Jay was on vacation
Guess you missed the claims of “just kidding” and “Acting!” that followed those posts.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
3:15 pm
skydog,
Is your son still playing the skins? I always wanted to. I try to separate an artist’s art from his or her personality, and do the same in the workplace whenever possible. Someone who is talented and capable in his job deserves the measure of respect that affords. It makes for better working relationships, and a more objective approach to the arts. As for the song, it’s not THAT bad, certainly not by today’s standards, but it just creeped me out to hear it from Huck. Like, today’s agenda: 1 – Preach morality and complain about how liberals have destroyed the moral fiber of our society 2 – Get on stage and crank out a song boasting of multiple-partner fornication, using slang still considered vulgar in many circles.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
MM — “I will take a dysfunctional Fulton County over Clayton County any day moron.”
Namecalling will get you nowhere. Except perhaps a vacation from this blog.
Sorry your county stopped existing. Maybe it should have planned better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_County,_GA
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
I favor abortions – removing future democratic voters from the system is always good. I do not agree that taxpayer dollars should pay for it.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
MM — “I favor abortions – removing future democratic voters from the system is always good.”
Well you know, they *say* that political affiliation is determined at birth, but no genetic proof has yet been found. (laughing, pointing)
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Namecalling will get you nowhere. Except perhaps a vacation from this blog”
Yea right Mr. E-Thug! Hopefully you will shot yourself when Milton comes back.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
3:18 pm
Mick – we won’t agree – I believe the failure is in the WH, you believe it’s the Repubs. Clinton figured out how to work with Congress, GWB did too, Reagan did, Nixon did, LBJ did, Kennedy did, even Jimmy C did. Go down the line, there has always been acrimony, gnashing of teeth, charges of stonewalling and filibuster but the rest of these guys did some bipartisan work. Only Obama seems to find it insurmountable. I just don’t buy into “it’s different now”
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
MiltonMan,
Even the Republican presumptive nomimee for President doesn’t support the Republican platform?
Mission Control Tampa….we have a problem!
Wowser.
(Oh and Ms.W-S and Mr. C…wait it’ll change again)
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Can’t we all just get along”…rk
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:22 pm
MM — “Yea right Mr. E-Thug!”
I’m ever so sorry that jokes, smiles and laughing hurt your tender feefees. (laughing)
“Hopefully you will shot yourself when Milton comes back.”
Punkin, I’ve been living here for over 20 years and y’all were raging about it when I got here. If y’all can’t move faster than that Galambos lady over in Sandy Springs, I don’t hold out much hope of Milton ever becoming a county again. (giggling)
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
madmax
C’mon man, the previous guy had a repub house six out of his eight years and rubber stamped everything he asked for. Why do you think it all crashed?
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
Wow…talk about timing…just as I was making the point a few days ago that there is something clearly wrong with a 95% of particular ethnic group voting for a particular party, here comes a very articulate former black NFL great who says the exact same thing:
http://www.spreecast.com/events/ex-nfl-great-to-blacks-say-no-to-obama/embed-medium
Who here is going to be the first to call him an “Uncle Tom”?
CONS ARE BACKSTABBING TWO FACED HYPOCRITES
August 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
@MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:06 pm
“CONS are the GIFT that KEEP on G-i-v-i-n-g.
They must not be living right (hypocrites).”
Yep – giving us another seat in the US House that used to be a lib seat.
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YEP – It CONS are not careful they will get another seat
in H*LL.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
I favor abortions – removing future democratic voters from the system is always good. I do not agree that taxpayer dollars should pay for it.
..
Have you contacted Governor Romney about the 50 dollar abortions in Romney Care?
Ayn Rand was Right
August 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
Abortion is a non-issue. The Republicans use it to stir the base, the Democrats use it to shore up the war on women crowd. The whole thing is a sham. Abortion will never be made illegal in the US. Too many politicians gain momentum with the argument; reason enough to ensure it stays legal and a topic of discussion.
People who vote based on the abortion issue are stupid. Look at the issues that actually impact your life today, not faux issues that impact a very small segment of society.
HDB
August 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
The question is what’s Romney’s REAL position on abortion…..because he has PROFITTED from abortions in the tune of MILLIONS with his ownership of Stericycle…..and his allowing $50 abortions in MassCare!!
BTW — why hasn’t the MSM investigated this part of the storyline?? Is this part of the reason that Mitt won’t release his tax returns…..??
CONS ARE BACKSTABBING TWO FACED HYPOCRITES
August 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
@Joseph
August 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
I thought this story would have passed for you far left kooks by now… I guess your willing to talk about anything when your candidate has been such a failure???
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CONS are the GIFT that KEEP on G-i-v-i-n-g.
They must not be living right (hypocrites).
heeheeheeheeheehee
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
Towncrier — “there is something clearly wrong with a 95% of particular ethnic group voting for a particular party”
One wonders why it never occurs to the GOP that the problem might be with *them,* not with the ethnic group in question.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
Mick,
For a lot of reasons from both parties and a greedy citizenery that bought into it. And he got bi-partisan support regardless and it was not filibuster proof so your guys could have stopped him if they really wanted to. And how do you explain how the other guys in the list got things done? as you say, C’mon man!
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
Look at the issues that actually impact your life today, not faux issues that impact a very small segment of society.
Yes, that small segment of society that actually has a uterus. But please don’t let me interrupt, continue your campaign for Obama.
Mama Says
August 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
Bro @1:14
I agree completely but what alternative do we have ?
I dont agree with my party on the anti civil union thing, enviromental issues or gay adoption but i agree with them on more than i dont.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
uh oh….
those Gawker docs…..
I think the Mitt is going to hit the fan.
Interesting timing, just before the RNC don’t ya’ think?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
Towncrier, please consider:
J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the Republican House leadership, said he is thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he is still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.
“And Obama highlights that even more,” Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. “Republicans often seem indifferent to those things.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-14-black-republicans_N.htm
I daresay black American men or accomplishment like J. C. Watts and Colin Powell wouldn’t have considered voting for Barack Obama unless they felt there was a compelling reason to do so. And I trust that you won’t assert that the reason was merely racism, even in their cases.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
correction to above: should read ” . . . men OF accomplishment . . . “
Republicans, think Todd Akin is your…
August 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]
Get Real, Free to choose but not your school
August 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Nothing is worse than the hypocrisy of an obama PR man. Way to go jay.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Who here is going to be the first to call him an “Uncle Tom”?
So the only response is to call him a racially charged name? How silly. He’s entitled to his opinion.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
MM: Remind us please how many reps live in Clayton County vs. libs???
IDK – how many live in the state of Georgia and then voted for a man who withheld information about his filing for bankruptcy as well as withdrew from congress when he was up for ethics violations? Any guesses?
Don’t know who Jim Crowe was but I do know that Jim Crow laws were passed by none other than Southern Democrats.
Who left the party to turn into born again REPUBLICANS
Do you want your “crowe” grilled or fried?
You eat it. It looks better in your mouth.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
” I just don’t buy into “it’s different now””
In other words…you can’t handle the truth. All those other Presidents had a Congress that would work with them. Obama doesn’t, and they have proven it many, many – too many – times.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:37 pm
Granny, I suspect someone got tired of Mitt’s lies. Looks like some initial reviews is that Mitt may not have paid all taxes he owed. Mitt still lying? I am shocked I tell ya.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
3:39 pm
Yeah Matti, he still plays.
We have a gig tonite at Spiced Right Barbecue in Roswell tonite 7:00 till 10:00. Come on out, I have an extra pair of congas, shakers, tambourines, and shakers.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
“One wonders why it never occurs to the GOP that the problem might be with *them,* not with the ethnic group in question.”
It certainly “occurs” to Democrats, doesn’t it? I mean, you are the umpteenth liberal who has made that claim. To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. The pattern is plainly an anomaly and something besides a political parties positions has to account for it. And I suspect it is the false and despicable charge that the GOP is racist. Why else would liberals call someone like Mr. Owens an “Uncle Tom” (as if he doesn’t have the right to have his own views and freely express them)? Calling conservative blacks such things shows there is an propensity to ensure conformity to a worldview, to group think.
But that’s me. Why don’t you listen to what he has to say since I am guessing he has a better perspective on the subject than do you or me.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
3:42 pm
Like many southern white cons, especially those on this forum, William is completely and bizarrely obsessed with black people.
Is it any wonder that like us Hebes, African Americans do not trust these so-called conservatives?
They treat entire groups of people like sh*t and then wonder why thos groups of people won’t pal around with or vote for them.
Strange…
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:43 pm
“So the only response is to call him a racially charged name? How silly. He’s entitled to his opinion.”
Agreed. Now please show me where a conservative has ever applied such an epitaph to a conservative black. I can show you instances of liberals who have (but I suspect you know that).
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
Towncrier — “It certainly “occurs” to Democrats, doesn’t it? I mean, you are the umpteenth liberal who has made that claim. To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. The pattern is plainly an anomaly and something besides a political parties positions has to account for it.”
Is it a *fact* that something else has to account for it, or is that merely your opinion?
“And I suspect it is the false and despicable charge that the GOP is racist.”
Please read the story at my link. I think J. C. Watts, Armstrong Williams, Colin Powell and former Senator Edward Brooke can reply to you much more effectively than I can.
“Why else would liberals call someone like Mr. Owens an “Uncle Tom” (as if he doesn’t have the right to have his own views and freely express them)?”
Well, I haven’t called ANY black men that, and I haven’t seen any posters here call anyone that on this thread. And if you point out liberal posters doing that, I’ll call them out. I don’t do that, I don’t endorse it, and I take a very dim view of it.
“Calling conservative blacks such things shows there is an propensity to ensure conformity to a worldview, to group think.”
I agree. Which is why I don’t do it.
“But that’s me. Why don’t you listen to what he has to say since I am guessing he has a better perspective on the subject than do you or me.”
Again, please see my link.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
Matti,
The band lets me play with them when I`m not away on my day job.
Please listen thru the bad sound quality on this web site. Our Obama check from endowment of the arts hasn`t come in yet.
http://www.reverbnation.com/theslydogband
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
“To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. ”
It isn’t though. It’s not enough to say that AA’s OUGHT to vote R. Your party needs to give them a GOOD REASON to do that. So far, you haven’t.
Ayn Rand was Right
August 24th, 2012
3:48 pm
Aquagirl – everyone with a uterus is not impacted by the abortion debate. It’s legal, it’s readily available. I don’t thing tax dollars should be used for them, but if you have cash, it’s your body. BTW Obama is a horrible President.
TaxPayer
August 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Republicans are the party of cowards. Nothing more.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Crier, I have no idea or interest in following your rabbit hole…. I can assure you that conservatives and others on the right have used any number of derogatory racial terms as well as code words over the years. Why don’t you stop making excuses and be responsible to stop your use and call out those on any side when used inappropriately.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
JamVet — “They treat entire groups of people like sh*t and then wonder why thos groups of people won’t pal around with or vote for them.”
Towncrier, please note this.
If GOP stalwarts are going to rage about welfare queens, illegal immigrants and all the languages they heard spoken down at the Social Security office, eventually, members of the groups being spoken ill of are going to get the notion that the GOP doesn’t like them. Now, you can say ‘but GOP lawmakers don’t say that,’ and for the most part, you’d be right. But neither do they *call out* people on their own SIDE who do it, and it’s that tacit acceptance — IMO — that creates this sheen of Antipathy For The Other.
You want to score points with the black or hispanic communities? Do some outreach. Hear their complaints. Listen to what THEY have to say — don’t just lecture then about what YOU want to do. Incorporate their issues into your own. Find ways to address their needs within your own milieu.
The GOP of today does not — so far as I can tell — do that in any meaningful or sustained way.
Quit demonizing demographic groups and find common ground with them. Or go on losing ground with them, it’s all the same to me.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:54 pm
“It’s legal, it’s readily available.”
Not as “readily” as you think. For instance, in Mississippi there is ONE clinic that does abortions and they are doing their best to shut that one down.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/11/us/mississippi-abortion-clinic-hearing/index.html
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
“I daresay black American men or accomplishment like J. C. Watts and Colin Powell wouldn’t have considered voting for Barack Obama unless they felt there was a compelling reason to do so. And I trust that you won’t assert that the reason was merely racism, even in their cases.”
Probably the 2008 election year should be thrown out as evidence since I think most blacks would have been tempted to vote for Obama because his was an historic nomination. Heck, had he been less liberal I might have voted for him just for that reason alone. And, last I knew, Powell was not planning to vote for Obama again.
There is no doubt the GOP has been negligent of attending to the needs of the African-Americans. That point has been made here and elsewhere. So I agree that it is not “merely” racism that explains the voting anomaly. But I would strongly contend that racism figures into the equation in no small measure. I really don’t think that can be denied.
Owens makes the argument that we should vote mainly on principle rather than other considerations. I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
just as I was making the point a few days ago that there is something clearly wrong with a 95% of particular ethnic group voting for a particular party, here comes a very articulate former black NFL great who says the exact same thing:
And after making said point, you didn’t bother to respond to my counter-point. That former NFL great is entitled to his own opinion as you are yours. The thing that neither you nor I can change is history.
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Mama
Only suggestion I have is to vote your conscience. Don’t let others influence what you do or think. I’d also suggest to never take a single source of information as fact unless it’s directly from the primary source itself. I have learned to use the write-in space quite well over time.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
Who really cares what burgess owen says anyways? One person, one vote, who knows what choice is made inside the voting booth. Why should he care anyway – what a stooge, another self important ego offering advice for people who are not asking…
old dog
August 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
Who would be better off if all political parties were disbanded and outlawed? Washington tried to tell us, we didn’t listen. But right now in Ga. if you don’t affiliate with a party, you can’t run for office. The Republican Party REQUIRES all people on its ballot to swear a loyalty oath to the REPUBLICAN party; not to the people of their district. This is so wrong and eliminates the representation right out of our representative form of government. So until this changes, I have no representatives and don’t see why I should be asked to pay for one.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
C’mon man, the previous guy had a repub house six out of his eight years and rubber stamped everything he asked for
And he didn’t ask for abortions to be repealed/reversed. I wonder why? He had everything, both houses, a right leaning court, yet he didn’t even ASK for abortion “reform”. Does anyone else smell a rat?
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
“Who would be better off if all political parties were disbanded and outlawed?”
Never gonna happen.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
“And, last I knew, Powell was not planning to vote for Obama again.”
I read where he said had not made up his mind
When did he state he was not voting for him?
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
If they win again, the cons would suddenly turn patriotic and cheer lead more gop destruction of our country. Expect a different result?
Country fist.
Don’t let the gop destroy our country again. Period.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
first.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
It’s legal, it’s readily available.
Oh yeah, those clinics are on every corner. It’s not like you’d have to drive a couple hundred miles, more than once, and then run a gauntlet of crazies.
Why are cons so proudly ignorant? Y’all seem to really enjoy talking with not a thought in your heads. Do you not realize how you look? Or do you just not care?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
Towncrier — “There is no doubt the GOP has been negligent of attending to the needs of the African-Americans. That point has been made here and elsewhere.”
I appreciate your willingness to say that. We have some posters here who I think would argue that we’ve done *too much* to help African-Americans, and a couple of them have been quite nasty about it lately.
“So I agree that it is not “merely” racism that explains the voting anomaly. But I would strongly contend that racism figures into the equation in no small measure. I really don’t think that can be denied.”
I don’t reject the *possibility* that racism enters into it, but I’m not prepared to accept that it *must* be part of the equation. I’m sure that there are individual black Americans for whom racism is a motivator in elections, just as there are white Americans who are similarly motivated. That said, I’m not prepared to accept that it is a significant motivator across the broader African-American population. Nor would I accept that to be true of white Americans. Still, I’m willing to hear you out on the topic. Persuade away, sir.
“Owens makes the argument that we should vote mainly on principle rather than other considerations. I agree with that wholeheartedly.”
That seems to beg the question of whether or not African-American voters are doing that or not — and Owens seems to have made up his mind already.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
But I would strongly contend that racism figures into the equation in no small measure. I really don’t think that can be denied.
Owens makes the argument that we should vote mainly on principle rather than other considerations. I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Towncrier – why would you say, or even think that blacks vote for obama ONLY because he’s black? Isn’t that statement in and of itself as racist as you say blacks are?
How very narrow minded and short sighted of you — you must be a repuglican……
Recon 0311 2533
August 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
The libs sure are in a frantic frenzy to jump on every little tidbit they can find. It must be that all of the Obama campaigns attack ads over the last several months have failed to put comfortable distance between Obama and Romney. Recently the Mediscare attack on Ryan fizzled and the Romney/Ryan ticket has boosted Romney to either a tie or a lead in the swing states according to recent polls. Romney now has a 10 point lead over Obama with Independents and has come up significantly with the women vote. It’s still a close race but the Obama campaign hasn’t been able to build momentum and while it’s still to soon to predict it may be that the Romney campaign is beginning to build momentum and that wouldn’t bode well for Obama and the Democrats in these final few months.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
Recon is tripping, none of that is right.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
“Towncrier – why would you say, or even think that blacks vote for obama ONLY because he’s black?”
Did they vote for Clinton ONLY because he’s white?
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
It certainly “occurs” to Democrats, doesn’t it? I mean, you are the umpteenth liberal who has made that claim. To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. The pattern is plainly an anomaly and something besides a political parties positions has to account for it. And I suspect it is the false and despicable charge that the GOP is racist.
Towncrier
I tried to point you in the direction you should look when you last brought up that point. What you should do is go back and read up on history. Blacks first gained national offices under the GOP banner with the backing of L-I-B-E-R-A-L Republicans. A group that was led by a Texas Republican started what was called the Lily White Movement. That movement was founded with the intent of running Blacks out of the GOP.
The Black vote, throughout history, has followed the more liberal politicians. The GOP has ran off Liberal Republicans, and they have almost completely rid themselves of Moderate Republicans. One of the unintendended consequences of those actions is that they’ve run off the very people that Black Americans would vote for.
Sure, Blacks attend church and hold conservative ideals in different area. However, most every significant gain that Black Americans have obtained has been with the aid of progressive minded people, a.k.a. Liberals. Can you name one significant Black achievement that was aided by Conservative America, not Republican nor Democrat America, but Conservative America?
Only in recent history has the political parties become so signficantly partisaned. Fifty to sixty years ago, it was possible to have Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats. Nowadays, that’s nowhere near as possible. People hide behind the parties when discussing Black America, but very few people actually want to dig deeper and discuss the ideologies at play. It’s much easier to be dismissive and use party labels.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
Madge — “And he didn’t ask for abortions to be repealed/reversed. I wonder why? He had everything, both houses, a right leaning court, yet he didn’t even ASK for abortion “reform”. Does anyone else smell a rat?”
I think we effectively have abortion detente, a la US-USSR in the 70s.
Each side has *part* of what it wants, but if either side makes a decisive move to win, the other side will go Launch Enable on them. No way the GOP dares to outlaw abortions on a nationwide level, as they’d pretty much assure that screaming Democrats would kick them out of office for the better part of a generation. And the same’s true of the Democrats — so we end up in state battles and courtroom pushbacks. And that’s where it’s going to stay for the foreseeable future, IMO.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
The gop are running a birther hiding his taxes because he is scared of being attacked.
Amazing.
td
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
“President Obama’s Twitter account has 18.8 million followers — but more than half of them really don’t exist, according to reports.
A new Web tool has determined that 70% of Obama’s crowd includes “fake followers,” The New York Times reports in a story about how Twitter followers can be purchased.”
Some of us have known he has faked his whole Presidency.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDfeB6CMrNW
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
Madge
Yep…..They have used that rat as bait on the hook for evangelicals all these years and whenever the opportunity was available they did nothing.
Abortion will never be illegal again in this country. Never.
Of the six women I know who have had the procedure all six still are
Republican voters – as are their husbands.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
Sling the lying poo td.
Nothing is sticking.
Teflon Obama.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
OPEN CASTING CALL!
I`ll give any con the microphone and 5 minutes at our gig tonite to express your stuff. Not a trick, just a random barbque house. You may be a hit?
I`ll be behind the chicken wire.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
Twits following tweets.
Niiice…
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:11 pm
TROLL ALERT!!!!!
Mick
August 24th, 2012
4:11 pm
Well, the romney/ryan ticket is not exactly lighting them up either. The debates will be the key, romney has of yet to seal the deal…
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
doomy will need more than five minutes.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
getalife & JamVet
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/08/24/mitt-romney-%e2%80%98no-one%e2%80%99s-ever-asked-to-see-my-birth-certificate%e2%80%99/?cp=2#comment-241856
Y’all need to go back and read the memo. You’ll get up to speed very quickly on which posts to scroll past. If you don’t know the agenda, you’ll never recognize it for what it is.
Courtesy of RedState:
http://www.redstate.com/davenj1/2011/05/15/weakening-the-democratic-base-part-5-liberal-netroots/
So the best way of combating the liberal netroots is through a 4-point program.
First, infiltratethe site… Once you are there, the second part of the strategy is to gain their trust…
The third step is to move the conversation in the direction you desire… Once there, you can then highjack the thread.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
Bro
Great post earlier. Must be said that Democrats have taken the black vote for granted on many many occasions.
With that said, when you take off the party labels and ask people to dialogue in terms of conservative & liberal, it is much more factual and harder for someone to just blame or credit D or R.
Recon 0311 2533
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
More sheeet
skydog
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
I don`t think so getalife, this crowd don`t don`t play. They come in with rotten fruit.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
“Now, you can say ‘but GOP lawmakers don’t say that,’ and for the most part, you’d be right. But neither do they *call out* people on their own SIDE who do it, and it’s that tacit acceptance — IMO — that creates this sheen of Antipathy For The Other.”
I would contend that the media is very complicit in all of this, for it will reiterate ad infinitum something someone says for clearly partisan purposes. And your point applies equally well to liberals who do not speak out when the Sharptons, Jacksons and Waters of this world attempt to force conformity to their racist views. If it were not for conservative media, we would never hear of such things. So it is a two way street.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
off topic…
From NBC
Users on several militant Islamic websites affiliated with al-Qaida have posted the name and photo of a former Navy SEAL identified as the author of an upcoming book on the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden. The posts called for his “destruction” in revenge for the al-Qaida founder’s killing.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
They BOTH
I have also expressed that very exact sentiment towards the Democratic Party. That’s why I laugh when I get labeled as a liberal here. People don’t actively read here. They let the voices in their heads interpret posts for them.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Twitter, Twitter, nothing slicker
Shallow as a bumper-sticker.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Lucifer
August 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
You know it’s downright scary. Akin’s stated a position as archaic as “the world is flat.” Does the egg of a victim know if her attacker’s sperm is friend or foe? Of course not. The Huckster is as nuts as the rest of the clowns in the Goofy Odd People’s party. And, as a former Las Vegas news reporter, to have Romney dictate to me the perimeters of an interview would have been an outrage. No self-respecting journalist would allow his/her journalistic ethics to be breached by interviewing someone like Romney who demands beforehand that you can’t ask him about certain issues. Journalistically speaking, any reporter who respects his profession would recoil from a potential interviewee’s list of demands about what the public should know and not know. If a journalist agrees to these boundaries, he/she is no better than the so called “reporters” on the Fox Propaganda Network. You just don’t agree to an interview if the interviewee is telling you what questions to ask, and what to not ask. It just isn’t done. Bill Buckley and Ron Reagan must be tossing in their graves about the batcrap crazy nonsense being spewed by the radical right — now the mainstream thought for the traditional party we once knew as the Grand Old Party of Reagan’s days.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
Bro
Guess you question wont be answered or the internet is being scoured for something, anything that is close to the question you asked
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
Brosephus — “Y’all need to go back and read the memo. You’ll get up to speed very quickly on which posts to scroll past. If you don’t know the agenda, you’ll never recognize it for what it is.”
My wife’s been doing this on conservative sites for YEARS. I read them and post there from time to time, but she actually cultivates IDs for later use.
What does she use them for? Usually for snarky anti-con posts on election nights, when the sites are swamped with posts and the admins are too busy to delete posts or block IP addresses.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
4:26 pm
skydog,
AWESOME!!! I would love to come out tonight, but I’m otherwise occupied. I do get over there from time to time, though, specifically to listen to the blues! It’s only incidental that I sometimes ingest the 9000-calorie-per-bite hashbrown casserole! I will totally come out to see them on another night.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Towncrier — “I would contend that the media is very complicit in all of this, for it will reiterate ad infinitum something someone says for clearly partisan purposes.”
Rejected. The media isn’t partisan. In general, the mass media have two objectives in all this:
1) Obtain/maintain candidate/elected person access
2) Scoop the competition
Repeated studies have demonstrated #1 to be true; the mass media tend to be acquiescent to whoever’s in office (because they want to keep that access). However, when the media thinks it has a *damaging* story on an officeholder, #2 comes into play.
Once again, I’ve spent most of my adult life on the GOP side, and now, having been on both ideological sides, I don’t agree with your assessment. The media looks out for its “own* interests.
“And your point applies equally well to liberals who do not speak out when the Sharptons, Jacksons and Waters of this world attempt to force conformity to their racist views.”
. . .
I’m sorry, but I can’t continue this conversation with you. You seem only too ready to accuse others of racism while you seem equally ready to dismiss accusations of racism aimed at your own camp.
This is Jay’s playground, and out of respect for him, I think I’d better withdraw from this discussion before I post something I’m sorry for later.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
4:33 pm
“The Black vote, throughout history, has followed the more liberal politicians. The GOP has ran off Liberal Republicans, and they have almost completely rid themselves of Moderate Republicans. One of the unintendended consequences of those actions is that they’ve run off the very people that Black Americans would vote for.”
Liberalism has acquired entirely new nuances since the 60s, Brosephus. So I find your argument somewhat specious. We are no longer talking about common sense liberties envisioned by the founding fathers. We are talking about computer generated child porn, profanity laced and highly obscene comedy “routines”, women being able to get abortion NOT because they were raped or molested or their lives are in danger but because they had (in the worst case) a drunken casual sexual encounter with someone they didn’t know and don’t want to suffer the consequences, gay marriage, cities like SF actually considering whether or not to publicly fund sex change operations.
I am for personal liberty but not allowing gross behavior that goes by that name .
“Sure, Blacks attend church and hold conservative ideals in different area. However, most every significant gain that Black Americans have obtained has been with the aid of progressive minded people, a.k.a. Liberals. Can you name one significant Black achievement that was aided by Conservative America, not Republican nor Democrat America, but Conservative America?”
Your question is not a fair one. It is not hard at all to find Blacks who have realized significant achievements with the help of conservative people. And you know it. Why make it a party thing? Why does one vote mainly or solely or always on the basis of what a politician is going to do for them? How many moral principles is one content to compromise to get something?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
4:38 pm
…women being able to get abortion NOT because they were raped or molested or their lives are in danger but because they had (in the worst case) a drunken casual sexual encounter with someone they didn’t know and don’t want to suffer the consequences…
Abortion is a legal procedure and it is not contingent on your tender feefees getting hurted.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
4:47 pm
Users on several militant Islamic websites affiliated with al-Qaida have posted the name and photo of a former Navy SEAL identified as the author of an upcoming book
Oh geez. And I see Faux News has the alleged name and hometown of Mr. Loose Lips.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
4:49 pm
Towncrier: “…but because they had (in the worst case) a drunken casual sexual encounter with someone they didn’t know…”
Bless his heart. He probably doesn’t even know that there’s a vast, infinite number of social scenarios in which a woman may become pregnant. If this is what he really thinks of women, it’s probably because it’s what he witnessed most growing up.
Towncrier, please have hope! There are lots of good, decent people out there — men AND women — who treat each other and themselves with respect, fall in love, enter into a marriage contract soberly and reverently, and reproduce joyfully, praise the Lord!
independent thinker
August 24th, 2012
4:52 pm
I do not know why any right wing cons have been taking up space here talking aout abortions and rape. Your master and spokesperson, Rush Limbaugh anounced yesterday that all cons were prohibited from discussing abortion and rape in or with the press particulary as to Governor Ultrasounds platform on abortion. Romney immediately complied and told a reporter those topics were off limit. Don’t you folks understand who is giving the orders you must obey? I wonder if he will give Romney a daily brief if Romney gets elected.
td
August 24th, 2012
5:00 pm
independent thinker
August 24th, 2012
4:52 pm
Rush has always said that he has gotten rich because you libs are so obsessed with him that you listen to every moment of his show.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:01 pm
“Rejected. The media isn’t partisan.”
First off all, media is no longer a monolithic entity any more. In any case, you are very hard pressed to explain the numerous partisan statements made by media people in recent years – your unnamed “studies” to the contrary. A generalization has to encompass the particulars in order to be valid and not simply an opinion. So I find your response invalid.
“I’m sorry, but I can’t continue this conversation with you. You seem only too ready to accuse others of racism while you seem equally ready to dismiss accusations of racism aimed at your own camp.”
I don’t at all. What I have a problem with is the apparent liberal mentality that racism is America is a mostly white phenomenon. It is not even close to being so. I harp on it because it bothers me (along with the white male bashing we have also seen in the past two decades). People here have called me racist, but my wife (who is Hispanic) and I took into our home a black man from our church dying from Lupus the last year of his life (not to mention many other things I have done). Racism is mostly INSTILLED in people during childhood. Children are not born that way. They are taught to be that way. I just get upset about a party being called racist when, in fact, most whites in America are not that way. So we are said to be “unconsciously” that way. But, on the other hand, there is no element of racism is saying something like “white men can’t jump” (even though Rick Barry’s son won an NBA slam dunk contest with a dunk from the foul line). That one really gets me because, as someone who grew up playing a lot of basketball, I can assure there are plenty of whites that can, in fact, jump (I was one of them).
Bottom line: I am just tired of hearing that the GOP is mainly a bunch of white racists (it has been done here plenty of times) It is not true and the charge is despicable. I grant that the GOP has not been particularly keen on addressing (or better, helping to solve) real problems of minorities. That makes them arguably negligent, not racist.
I think the problem the GOP has is that it is comprised of social conservatives who believe strongly in moral principles (like enforcing the law) but also by fiscal or military conservatives who aren’t so moral (and turn their face away from or even encourage illegal immigration).
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:08 pm
“Oh geez. And I see Faux News has the alleged name and hometown of Mr. Loose Lips.”
Jay pointed that out yesterday. Indefensible. But I think it goes to show that any news network values the claim to breaking a story above its own ideology or ethics.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:12 pm
“If you’re voting for a candidate, that vote is an agreement with that person’s principles, whether you think it is or not. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Green Party candidate. Who votes for someone with whom they disagree with?”
Blacks who don’t support the idea of gay marriage? There is probably no candidate that represents a particular person’s principles completely. All you can typically hope for is maybe a 70-80% representation.
Triple Double
August 24th, 2012
5:15 pm
“Rush has always said that he has gotten rich because you libs are so obsessed with him that you listen to every moment of his show.”
And you knew he “always said that” because like the tool you are, you need him to think for you, so you “always” listen to him.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
5:18 pm
Towncrier — “First off all, media is no longer a monolithic entity any more.”
I just remembered why I don’t like getting into discussions of this sort with you. You’re prone to leaping to conclusions and inserting words into my mouth and thoughts into my head without so much as a by-your-leave.
I made no *claim* to monolithism. Yet the media need not BE monolithic to act in its own best interests. By your logic, no individual would take shelter from tornadoes unless the storm was headed *directly* at them. Either the community as a whole would take shelter or it would not.
“In any case, you are very hard pressed to explain the numerous partisan statements made by media people in recent years – your unnamed “studies” to the contrary.”
Didn’t you just get done saying the media wasn’t monolithic? Yet now you’re lumping them all together to make a point?
“A generalization has to encompass the particulars in order to be valid and not simply an opinion. So I find your response invalid.”
(laughing) You need to check your own opinions at the door, son.
“I don’t at all.”
I think you did, you do and you are.
“What I have a problem with is the apparent liberal mentality that racism is America is a mostly white phenomenon.”
I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to present more than your opinion here.
“It is not even close to being so. I harp on it because it bothers me (along with the white male bashing we have also seen in the past two decades). People here have called me racist, but my wife (who is Hispanic) and I took into our home a black man from our church dying from Lupus the last year of his life (not to mention many other things I have done).”
Your personal behavior, while laudable, is not something your *race* gets credit for.
“Racism is mostly INSTILLED in people during childhood. Children are not born that way. They are taught to be that way. I just get upset about a party being called racist when, in fact, most whites in America are not that way.”
You’re presenting quite a lot of opinion here. So per your own standard above, I find your response invalid. At least I’ve got ‘unnamed studies;’ all you’ve got is a passel of ranting.
“So we are said to be “unconsciously” that way.”
Not by me, you’re not.
“But, on the other hand, there is no element of racism is saying something like “white men can’t jump” (even though Rick Barry’s son won an NBA slam dunk contest with a dunk from the foul line). That one really gets me because, as someone who grew up playing a lot of basketball, I can assure there are plenty of whites that can, in fact, jump (I was one of them).”
Oh, good grief. You’re griping and ranting about a MOVIE TITLE?
“Bottom line: I am just tired of hearing that the GOP is mainly a bunch of white racists (it has been done here plenty of times) It is not true and the charge is despicable.”
I haven’t said anything to the contrary and I’ve made no such charge. And you’re being a Richard.
“I grant that the GOP has not been particularly keen on addressing (or better, helping to solve) real problems of minorities. That makes them arguably negligent, not racist.”
Then since I DID say that, perhaps you’d be good enough to focus on THAT point, instead of a bunch of other spit that you only have your opinion to support.
“I think the problem the GOP has is that it is comprised of social conservatives who believe strongly in moral principles (like enforcing the law) but also by fiscal or military conservatives who aren’t so moral (and turn their face away from or even encourage illegal immigration).”
I have no idea what your problem is this evening, and I certainly hope you’re able to come to grips with it in a constructive manner. Have a good weekend; I shan’t be responding to you any longer on this thread while you’re in this frame of mind.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:21 pm
“Towncrier, please have hope! There are lots of good, decent people out there — men AND women — who treat each other and themselves with respect, fall in love, enter into a marriage contract soberly and reverently, and reproduce joyfully, praise the Lord!”
I know full well that there are. And I also know that there are plenty of decent people who don’t find “comedy” that centers on profanity-laced and graphic descriptions of sexual acts funny. That’s not the point. The point is that it happens and it is ugly. It happens because liberal thinking people imagine that, in part, is what constitutes “free speech” (along with computer generated depictions of sex with children). I would like to draw the line at the bathroom. Others want to draw it in the sewer.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
5:24 pm
“Rush has always said that he has gotten rich because you libs are so obsessed with him that you listen to every moment of his show”
I know one lib he hasn’t earned a penny from
Joseph
August 24th, 2012
5:32 pm
Huckabee exposes that the Republican Party is a big tent party. We have pro-life folks who think abortion should be legal. We have some who believe an abortion should only happen with incest and rape. And even some pro-death folks such as many dems who won’t vote fr Oblama this time.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
5:35 pm
It happens because liberal thinking people imagine that, in part, is what constitutes “free speech” (along with computer generated depictions of sex with children).
If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:54 pm
Yet another perspective:
“http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/24/acorn-whistle-blower-on-akin-gate-women-are-the-new-pawns-in-this-political-game/
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
5:57 pm
“Huckabee exposes that the Republican Party is a big tent party.”
Uh huh. We’ve seen that “big tent” in the R platform. Very “liberal” plank on abortion that is.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
6:11 pm
Liberalism has acquired entirely new nuances since the 60s, Brosephus. So I find your argument somewhat specious.
The GOP of the 1890’s is not the same one of 2012, but that has not stopped people from calling themselves members of the “Party of Lincoln” either. Neither party is the same as it was in the 1960’s, yet that doesn’t stop people from asserting that Republicans were for Civil Rights and Democrats fought against them, does it?
That argument does not address the fact that core ideology does not change. Liberalism now is the same as Liberalism then just as Conservatism now is the same as Conservatism then. The reason you think there’s such a change is that popular opinion has tried to mislabel both ideologies in order to paint them in the most negative light possible. The ideologies themselves have not changed. What has changed is that people have tried to redefine them. If you fall for the current definition instead of the true definition, then you’ll never understand the truth.
Your question is not a fair one. It is not hard at all to find Blacks who have realized significant achievements with the help of conservative people. And you know it. Why make it a party thing?
You obviously didn’t read the question, or else you would not have asked that. I specifically said NOT Republican or Democrat America. I’m asking you to look beyond the party labels and to the underlying ideology.
Classical definition of Conservative is one who is likely to keep things the same and is less open to new and sometimes radical ideas. The classical definition of Liberal is one who is open to trying new and sometimes radical ideas and is less open to keeping things the same. Which ideology in the 1960’s wanted to keep things as they were? Which ideology was striving to change things?
You are definitely right when you say it’s not about party. It’s about which group is more open to change and trying something new versus which party doesn’t want to change and wants to keep things as they were in the good old days.
Lucifer
August 24th, 2012
6:34 pm
I refer to Rush Limbaugh as “Old Lard Ass.” Haven’t listened to him in years.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
6:36 pm
JHM
“I made no *claim* to monolithism.”
Granted. But you did state flatly that “…the media isn’t partisan (@ 4:30). Given that we now have such entities as the Huffington Post and Daily Caller making up the so-called “new media” and legitimately being included under the rubric “media” and given the emergence of cable news organizations like FNC and MSNBC (which clearly tilt toward the right and left, respectively), I could not fathom how you could make such a blanket statement when, in fact, it is patently obvious that certain entities adhere to a particular party or cause. Indeed, so false is your assertion that I could only assume you were thinking of earlier times. Perhaps the “unnamed studies” upon which you seem to base your *opinion* are a bit outdated and you should observe current realities.
“Yet the media need not BE monolithic to act in its own best interests.”
Now who is putting words in other people’s mouths? But to your point, I would say that being partisan is just acting precisely in their own best interests, because they are telling their supportive audience just what their itching ears want to hear.
“By your logic, no individual would take shelter from tornadoes unless the storm was headed *directly* at them. Either the community as a whole would take shelter or it would not.”
I don’t see how this hypothetical situation applies to the argument since I think you have gone off on a tangent. I’ll give you an “A” for imagination, though.
“Your personal behavior, while laudable, is not something your *race* gets credit for.”
I was not expecting for that to happen. I made mention of these things only to head off at the pass all of the bloggers who might want to simply peg me as a racist because I am speaking candidly about some less-than-politically-correct things. I agree it does not at all prove that whites are not racist; only that not all white are – an argument that does not need to be made.
“Oh, good grief. You’re griping and ranting about a MOVIE TITLE?”
I can only conclude you have never played much basketball and certainly none in inner city areas (as I have). I have been, on occasion, the only white player on the court and have been called “Larry Bird” when I made a good move and scored or made a great pass. When I was in the service, I wound up one day playing one-on-one against 4 black guys in a row (beating all but the last) and was surprised to see a group of about 20 other black guys standing around watching when there had been no one there when I started. The idea that white guys can’t play basketball or jump is a cultural one and subtly racist in nature. The reason there are not more white guys in the NBA is because they don’t spend that much time playing it (like I did and most blacks do). It’s the same reason so few blacks play in the MLB today. You certainly don’t have to be a track star to be a great basketball player – LB proved that beyond a doubt.
“I haven’t said anything to the contrary and I’ve made no such charge.”
I believe that and respect you for it. You don’t have to prove your fair-mindedness to me. I feel good that you are that way. But I have been speaking generally not about any one person in particular.
GT
August 24th, 2012
6:37 pm
Secrecy is the password of the GOP. Hide your colors, say politically correct phases, don’t get caught telling the truth or giving too much information, we might fool them again. A old country boy is raised hearing it is better to keep your mouth shut and have em think you are stupid than to open your mouth and give em proof you are.
Seems weird to me that a party wants to control the world but doesn’t want the voter to know who they really are. This would lead you to believe that he or she knows he or she is wrong. I use to think the party was just stupid, now I think it is a manipulation of smart people who want to rule, and the means only equal the end.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
6:49 pm
“Classical definition of Conservative is one who is likely to keep things the same and is less open to new and sometimes radical ideas. The classical definition of Liberal is one who is open to trying new and sometimes radical ideas and is less open to keeping things the same.”
I don’t know that I would call these “classical” definitions of these terms. I agree that resistance or openness to change is essential to their meaning, but not that the change must be “radical”. It often turns out to be that way, but it is an effect rather than a cause in my mind.
“You are definitely right when you say it’s not about party. It’s about which group is more open to change and trying something new versus which party doesn’t want to change and wants to keep things as they were in the good old days.”
Again, I would not entirely agree. Change can be either good or bad. There is such a thing as throwing out the baby with the bath water. You mention the 60s, which in many of our minds was a kind of watershed decade. I think it was good that evil authoritarianism was exposed for what it is. I think it is bad we lost our respect for authority in general in the process. I think it was good people saw they could effect change through protests. I think it was bad that the idea “free love” replaced traditional sexual mores. And so on.
I think we should all be in favor of constructive change and against destructive change. Perhaps Republicans have been sometimes been averse to the former while Democrats have sometimes been in favor of the latter.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
6:54 pm
“If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.”
I’m still waiting for something more than a sentence or two from you – that is NOT a snark and actually represent a position of some sort. Until then, everything you post is merely Kamchak spam.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
6:57 pm
“Towncrier – why would you say, or even think that blacks vote for obama ONLY because he’s black?”
I didn’t say that. Look at my posts. I said that 94% of blacks vote for a particular party, and that means well before Obama came on the scene.
Did they vote for Clinton ONLY because he’s white?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
6:59 pm
I’m still waiting for something more than a sentence or two from you – that is NOT a snark and actually represent a position of some sort.
You don’t get to dictate how or what I post, sport.
You get what you deserve.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
7:02 pm
“You don’t get to dictate how or what I post, sport.”
News flash – a challenge to your intellect does not represent an attempt to dictate your actions.
“You get what you deserve.”
Sometime I do, sometimes I don’t (like all of us).
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
7:10 pm
I think we should all be in favor of constructive change and against destructive change. Perhaps Republicans have been sometimes been averse to the former while Democrats have sometimes been in favor of the latter.
I can agree with the first part, but I think you’re showing a bit of ideological bias on the last part. Both parties have their fair share of both types of changes. When it comes to things that have positively affected the Black community however, those changes have come with the aid of progressive minded people.
Another thing to look into when questioning Black support of the Democratic Party is the same thing with the Jewish community. Going back to that magic decade, the 60’s, the Jewish community was there arm-in-arm with Black Americans fighting for those Civil Rights. Take a look into many of the Northerners who were killed in the South during the 60’s.
This is something I’ve been looking into for a while now. It started off as a search to find why Blacks separated from the GOP. After doing lots of reading, I began to understand that it was more about the ideology as opposed to the party. Once you track the rightward shift of the GOP post 1960’s and compare that to the Black migration to the Democratic Party, you can begin to see things clearly.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
7:34 pm
“I can agree with the first part, but I think you’re showing a bit of ideological bias on the last part. Both parties have their fair share of both types of changes. When it comes to things that have positively affected the Black community however, those changes have come with the aid of progressive minded people.”
I respect your thinking and contributions to this blog, Brosephus. I guess every once and awhile I get upset at where we are at morally as a nation. What prompted it this time? Watching a (I guess syndicated) edition of Allens’ Comics Unleashed the other which included an appearance by Pauly Shore. I remember always wondering what talent people saw in him a decade or more ago and then I decided to see if he really did have comic talent. So I went on the Internet and googled youtube videos of his standup routines. I was horrified at what I heard (I don’t go to comedy clubs). And I thought” “My God, is THIS what we have come to as a nation”? Ten whole minutes detailing a sexual act with unceasing profanities. Pray tell me, what GOOD does that sort of thing do America? Who do I blame if not liberals? It is NOT social conservatives that have supported this kind of change!
My beef with liberalism is mainly over moral issues. I am much more flexible when it comes to fiscal and military matters.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
7:49 pm
Towncrier
It’s perfectly reasonable to get upset. We’re only human. I probably get more upset about things I read here than anywhere else. I have learned to channel that into researching things. Anytime I read something derogatory about people, I go back to see where the behavior comes from. Sometimes, I think I would have been better off with a Psychology degree as opposed to a Math degree.
Pray tell me, what GOOD does that sort of thing do America? Who do I blame if not liberals?
Blame the Founding Fathers. Freedom of speech is just that. There are thousands of things said and printed that do no good for America. In the grand scheme of things, those are the very things that make America what it truly is. No other country has such a broad freedom to express themselves as we do here. When I see things like that, whether or not I agree with what’s said, I just smile when I realize that there are very few countries where one can get away with saying the things we can here.
givememyfairshare
August 24th, 2012
8:00 pm
Doggone/GA – sorry but my 2:35 was not a lie. He argued that exact point for one hour on the floor while a state senator
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
9:01 pm
Granny:
“I would suggest that as a person of faith, you should respect other people of faith who feel in their hearts ….differently.
As there are no direct words from the man we both follow, so would not that be the the truly Christian way?”
1) I would fight for their right to “feel” that way but I will work under the law to keep them from killing the unborn.
2) Jesus never said anything about slavery, child molestation or credit card fraud either. However, as part of the Trinity in the O.T. He did say, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you” …………. and you only know a “person” !
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
9:14 pm
“Blame the Founding Fathers. Freedom of speech is just that.”
I will have to disagree with you here. I blame the SCOTUS and the liberals who have pushed the obscenity envelop. Speech is, IN FACT, limited in some circumstances – so it is never entirely or absolutely “free”. So a line HAS been drawn that restricts it. I am saying that the line needs to be redrawn and don’t quite have the nonchalance about such things many on the left do. I don’t see how one can argue with a straight face or intelligence that the founding fathers meant by “free speech” a movie called “Debbie Does Dallas” if he wants to make intent (as with all other legal contracts and forms of communication) the basis of meaning. If one wants to “deconstruct” what someone wrote and make it mean what one feels it should mean, then he can make “free speech” mean whatever he wants it to mean. Please tell me you don’t construe other legal documents (especially those by which you are bound) besides the Constitution as “living” and open to continually changing interpretations.
Since you are into research, may I recommend you give these two books by E.D. Hirsch a reading: Validity in Interpretation and The Aims of Interpretation? At one time, I had considered applying to and attending UVA to learn from this man. He’s a sharp cookie.
JKL2
August 24th, 2012
9:15 pm
obama should look to sign USADA to a cabinent position. They can come out and strip Armstrong of his titles without having any jurisdiction to do so.
Their best case scenario is that they’ll give three trophies to banned for life doper Jan Ullrich and another to recently returned from his two year ban for doping Ivan Basso.
DNC must be chomping at the bit to sign brilliant people like that…
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
9:34 pm
“Jesus never said anything about slavery, child molestation or credit card fraud either.”
To my knowledge, the Bible makes no mention of abortion. It does mention miscarriages and the sacrifice of children to idols. It does speak about slavery, homosexuality, adultery, bestiality, bearing false witness, lying, murder, rape and theft – but not child molestation. It also, as Scout indicates, clearly implies in a number of verses that a fetus is a person at some point in pregnancy.
Exodus 21:22-24 is often cited as proof that abortions might well be permissible, but that argument hinges on translating the Hebrew word “yatza” as miscarriage when it not so interpreted elsewhere but as either a stillbirth pr premature birth. The Hebrew word shachol specifically refers to a miscarriage.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 24th, 2012
10:08 pm
Towncrier:
Thank you.
ODD OWL
August 24th, 2012
10:20 pm
The Romney/Ryan Republicans are in a tizzy over all of these unmarried Women having sex… So if the Romney/Ryan Regime is elected, they are exploring ways to provide Federal Government loans to companies that manufacture chastity belts… The Romney/Ryan Republicans are preparing to take America back to the 12th century… The only men that will have access to Women’s hum hum good will be the locksmiths… Obama/Biden ==> Leaning forward… Romney/Ryan ==> Leaning backward…
Proud to be me
August 24th, 2012
10:39 pm
Jay when are you going to write about Joe Biden’s many misspoken and outrageous comments!!
As someone recently said . . either put up or shut up!
Paddy O
August 25th, 2012
2:38 am
sadly, jay again makes an error of judgement – is he the McCain of the AJC? Does he really think the Repubs adopt a platform just to hide it? The reason they want Akin gone is he is jeopardizing a cake walk of an election in Missouri; however, I with Akins’ sincere apology, I don’t think it will hurt him come election time. If you believe in G-d; and that conception is a blessing, then unless the mother’s life is in danger, the abortion would be a mortal sin. however, in a secular gov’t, it makes it almost impossible to gain support without the stipulation for rape and incest – and, since they are relatively rare – even the quoted 30,000 out of approximately 1.2 million per year is only 3%, and far less evil than is tolerated today. As a baptist minister, Huckabees position is consistent. Liberal mindset is sadly painfully fuzzy – intentional or not.
Paddy O
August 25th, 2012
2:39 am
proud: liberals are tunnel vision hypocrits – who are fully cognizant of how gullible and easily manipulated fellow liberals are. Sort of like a dog who will instantly start barking at a certain decibel.
Paddy O
August 25th, 2012
2:41 am
odd owl demonstrates the typical casual stupidity of liberaldom. thank fully. IF liberals even pretended to be virtuous, they would be dangerous to the liberty of this nation.
Paddy O
August 25th, 2012
2:48 am
brosephus: do not make the mistake of a pining Supreme Court when you confuse freedom of speech (and the press – the written word) with expression. Expression is vague, and if the authors of the Consitution intended it to be vague, would have written it that way. All Americans have undeniable freedom of speech (minimally truncated – yelling fire in crowded theater – especially considering recent events), and of the written word – which are exceptionally powerful in the pursuit of persuading others to agree with you. Burning a flag does not do that. Nor does throwing manure on a sacred object. But, despite their lifelong tenure, the Supremes are weakened by the very limits contained in the Consititution -so, over time they have expanded it to provide themselves with greater relevence, and to have something to do every year.
Paddy O
August 25th, 2012
2:53 am
Luckily for conservatives, liberals really do not care for virtue, personal accountability or fiscal responsibility – which exposes their movement quite easily as a movement of the lazy and irresponsible in society. sadly, this lack of interest while simultaneously bribing much of the public with fiscal freebies, is damaging to the nations fiscal stability,economy and ability to honestly address genuine problems.
Reality
August 25th, 2012
4:08 pm
I know Jay those hypocritical Republicans. The Democrats NEVER say or do anything hypocritical.
Reality
August 25th, 2012
4:13 pm
You Jay are a carbon copy of Mike Luckovich, you see all the missgivens of those nasty old Republicans. But seem to totaly ignor the many foolish, goofy, stupid, ignorant, things the Demorats come up with.
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August 25th, 2012
10:08 pm
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10:43 pm
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Towncrier
August 26th, 2012
2:18 am
Just for you, JHM:
The executive editor of the New York Times is disputing an accusation of liberal bias made by her very own public editor, Arthur Brisbane.
In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers “share a kind of political and cultural progressivism” that “virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.” Brisbane even argued that Times reporters approached some liberal issues, like gay marriage and the Occupy movement, “more like causes than news subjects.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/nyts-abramson-rebuts-brisbane-charge-133211.html
Now what have you to say???
LDH20
August 27th, 2012
9:44 am
“Not for a moral failure or corruption or a criminal act, but for a misstatement which he contritely and utterly repudiated”
NO, it was not a misstatement, there was NO fact or truth in it. He made it up out of whole cloth, he LIED to the American people + whatever thought process brought him to that point is idiotic and we would be vulnerable to him taking other factually inaccurate positions. THAT is why he has to go.