Huckabee exposes hypocrisy of GOP leaders on abortion
Mike Huckabee, perhaps the most prominent leader of the GOP’s evangelical wing, has come out strongly in defense of U.S. Rep. Todd Akin, the party’s nominee for U.S. Senate in Missouri. Here’s a portion of the email that Huckabee sent out to his followers:
The Party’s leaders have for reasons that aren’t rational, left (Akin) behind on the political battlefield, wounded and bleeding, a casualty of his self-inflicted, but not intentional wound. In a Party that supposedly stands for life, it was tragic to see the carefully orchestrated and systematic attack on a fellow Republican. Not for a moral failure or corruption or a criminal act, but for a misstatement which he contritely and utterly repudiated.
I was shocked by GOP leaders and elected officials who rushed so quickly to end the political life of a candidate over a mistaken comment in an interview. This was a serious mistake, but it was blown out of proportion not by the left, but by Akin’s own Republican Party. Is this what the party really thinks of principled pro-life advocates? Do we forgive and forget the verbal gaffes of Republicans who are “conveniently pro-life” for political advantage, but crucify one who truly believes that every life is sacred?
Who ordered this “Code Red” on Akin? There were talking point memos sent from the National Republican Senatorial Committee suggesting language to urge Akin to drop out. Political consultants were ordered to stay away from Akin or lose future business with GOP committees. Operatives were recruited to set up a network of pastors to call Akin to urge him to get out. Money has changed hands to push him off the plank. It is disgraceful.
From the spotlights of political offices and media perches, it may appear that the demand for Akin’s head is universal in the party. I assure you it is not. There is a vast, but mostly quiet army of people who have an innate sense of fairness and don’t like to see a fellow political pilgrim bullied. If Todd Akin loses the Senate seat, I will not blame Todd Akin. He made his mistake, but was man enough to admit it and apologize. I’m waiting for the apology from whoever the genius was on the high pedestals of our party who thought it wise to not only shoot our wounded, but run over him with tanks and trucks and then feed his body to the liberal wolves. It wasn’t just Todd Akin that was treated with contempt by the thinly veiled attack on Todd Akin. It was all the people who have faithfully knocked doors, made calls, and made sacrificial contributions to elect Republicans because we thought we were welcome in the party. Todd Akin owned his mistake. Who will step up and admit the effort being made to discredit Akin and apologize for the sleazy way it’s been handled?
Without in any way minimizing Akin’s rhetoric, there’s a lot of truth in Huckabee’s screed. The congressman’s position on rape and abortion is not by any means out of line with that of the Republican Party mainstream. The 2012 party platform calls for a ban on abortion, with no provision for exceptions in cases of rape and incest. It also calls for recognition in law that human life begins at the moment of conception, a position that precludes the right to choose for rape and incest victims.
As Huckabee understands, Akin is being ostracized by his party not for what he believes, but for stating what he believes too bluntly, and for calling attention to things that party elders want to keep hidden. It is telling, for instance, that Mitt Romney’s campaign is refusing to allow reporters to interview him unless they agree beforehand not to ask questions about abortion.
The GOP establishment wants the loyalty of the pro-life movement without the political baggage that comes with it among the general public. And it is bitterly angry with Akin because he has made it difficult to achieve those contradictory goals.
– Jay Bookman
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Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
milton
I guess you could say the dems have evolved whilst the repubs continue to devolve at break neck speed…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
Well, I pray the Good Lord will help me. I’m on The List!
I started giving a few bucks to charity to help crippled kids and such. I like kids and want to see them grow up to be good people. How was I to know these charities swap lists? Next thing I know I’m getting four calls a day from charities—for homeless dogs, for veterans organizations, etc. They’ve got my name, address, and phone number. The calls are always from people that are reading a script and all the scripts end with, “Mr. Convert, how much can we count on to help these poor _____ today.?”
Silly me! I thought the donations I was making were private! Anyhow, I’m on The List, and the calls just won’t stop. I wish I’d just said no the first time.
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
…and here is the moon bat Dem Wasserman and her lies – blasted by CNN of all places
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/23/anderson-cooper-grills-debbie-wasserman-schultz-why-are-you-lying-about-romneys-position-on-abortion/
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
Thulsa-I am surprised you are still allowed to post here after your bigoted, mysoginistic drunken tirades while Jay was on vacation
Guess you missed the claims of “just kidding” and “Acting!” that followed those posts.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
3:15 pm
skydog,
Is your son still playing the skins? I always wanted to. I try to separate an artist’s art from his or her personality, and do the same in the workplace whenever possible. Someone who is talented and capable in his job deserves the measure of respect that affords. It makes for better working relationships, and a more objective approach to the arts. As for the song, it’s not THAT bad, certainly not by today’s standards, but it just creeped me out to hear it from Huck. Like, today’s agenda: 1 – Preach morality and complain about how liberals have destroyed the moral fiber of our society 2 – Get on stage and crank out a song boasting of multiple-partner fornication, using slang still considered vulgar in many circles.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
MM — “I will take a dysfunctional Fulton County over Clayton County any day moron.”
Namecalling will get you nowhere. Except perhaps a vacation from this blog.
Sorry your county stopped existing. Maybe it should have planned better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_County,_GA
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
I favor abortions – removing future democratic voters from the system is always good. I do not agree that taxpayer dollars should pay for it.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
MM — “I favor abortions – removing future democratic voters from the system is always good.”
Well you know, they *say* that political affiliation is determined at birth, but no genetic proof has yet been found. (laughing, pointing)
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Namecalling will get you nowhere. Except perhaps a vacation from this blog”
Yea right Mr. E-Thug! Hopefully you will shot yourself when Milton comes back.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
3:18 pm
Mick – we won’t agree – I believe the failure is in the WH, you believe it’s the Repubs. Clinton figured out how to work with Congress, GWB did too, Reagan did, Nixon did, LBJ did, Kennedy did, even Jimmy C did. Go down the line, there has always been acrimony, gnashing of teeth, charges of stonewalling and filibuster but the rest of these guys did some bipartisan work. Only Obama seems to find it insurmountable. I just don’t buy into “it’s different now”
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
MiltonMan,
Even the Republican presumptive nomimee for President doesn’t support the Republican platform?
Mission Control Tampa….we have a problem!
Wowser.
(Oh and Ms.W-S and Mr. C…wait it’ll change again)
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Can’t we all just get along”…rk
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:22 pm
MM — “Yea right Mr. E-Thug!”
I’m ever so sorry that jokes, smiles and laughing hurt your tender feefees. (laughing)
“Hopefully you will shot yourself when Milton comes back.”
Punkin, I’ve been living here for over 20 years and y’all were raging about it when I got here. If y’all can’t move faster than that Galambos lady over in Sandy Springs, I don’t hold out much hope of Milton ever becoming a county again. (giggling)
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
madmax
C’mon man, the previous guy had a repub house six out of his eight years and rubber stamped everything he asked for. Why do you think it all crashed?
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
Wow…talk about timing…just as I was making the point a few days ago that there is something clearly wrong with a 95% of particular ethnic group voting for a particular party, here comes a very articulate former black NFL great who says the exact same thing:
http://www.spreecast.com/events/ex-nfl-great-to-blacks-say-no-to-obama/embed-medium
Who here is going to be the first to call him an “Uncle Tom”?
CONS ARE BACKSTABBING TWO FACED HYPOCRITES
August 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
@MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:06 pm
“CONS are the GIFT that KEEP on G-i-v-i-n-g.
They must not be living right (hypocrites).”
Yep – giving us another seat in the US House that used to be a lib seat.
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YEP – It CONS are not careful they will get another seat
in H*LL.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
MiltonMan
August 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
I favor abortions – removing future democratic voters from the system is always good. I do not agree that taxpayer dollars should pay for it.
..
Have you contacted Governor Romney about the 50 dollar abortions in Romney Care?
Ayn Rand was Right
August 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
Abortion is a non-issue. The Republicans use it to stir the base, the Democrats use it to shore up the war on women crowd. The whole thing is a sham. Abortion will never be made illegal in the US. Too many politicians gain momentum with the argument; reason enough to ensure it stays legal and a topic of discussion.
People who vote based on the abortion issue are stupid. Look at the issues that actually impact your life today, not faux issues that impact a very small segment of society.
HDB
August 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
The question is what’s Romney’s REAL position on abortion…..because he has PROFITTED from abortions in the tune of MILLIONS with his ownership of Stericycle…..and his allowing $50 abortions in MassCare!!
BTW — why hasn’t the MSM investigated this part of the storyline?? Is this part of the reason that Mitt won’t release his tax returns…..??
CONS ARE BACKSTABBING TWO FACED HYPOCRITES
August 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
@Joseph
August 24th, 2012
3:11 pm
I thought this story would have passed for you far left kooks by now… I guess your willing to talk about anything when your candidate has been such a failure???
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CONS are the GIFT that KEEP on G-i-v-i-n-g.
They must not be living right (hypocrites).
heeheeheeheeheehee
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
Towncrier — “there is something clearly wrong with a 95% of particular ethnic group voting for a particular party”
One wonders why it never occurs to the GOP that the problem might be with *them,* not with the ethnic group in question.
Madmax
August 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
Mick,
For a lot of reasons from both parties and a greedy citizenery that bought into it. And he got bi-partisan support regardless and it was not filibuster proof so your guys could have stopped him if they really wanted to. And how do you explain how the other guys in the list got things done? as you say, C’mon man!
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
Look at the issues that actually impact your life today, not faux issues that impact a very small segment of society.
Yes, that small segment of society that actually has a uterus. But please don’t let me interrupt, continue your campaign for Obama.
Mama Says
August 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
Bro @1:14
I agree completely but what alternative do we have ?
I dont agree with my party on the anti civil union thing, enviromental issues or gay adoption but i agree with them on more than i dont.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
uh oh….
those Gawker docs…..
I think the Mitt is going to hit the fan.
Interesting timing, just before the RNC don’t ya’ think?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
Towncrier, please consider:
J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the Republican House leadership, said he is thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he is still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.
“And Obama highlights that even more,” Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. “Republicans often seem indifferent to those things.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-14-black-republicans_N.htm
I daresay black American men or accomplishment like J. C. Watts and Colin Powell wouldn’t have considered voting for Barack Obama unless they felt there was a compelling reason to do so. And I trust that you won’t assert that the reason was merely racism, even in their cases.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
correction to above: should read ” . . . men OF accomplishment . . . “
Republicans, think Todd Akin is your…
August 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
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Get Real, Free to choose but not your school
August 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Nothing is worse than the hypocrisy of an obama PR man. Way to go jay.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Who here is going to be the first to call him an “Uncle Tom”?
So the only response is to call him a racially charged name? How silly. He’s entitled to his opinion.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
MM: Remind us please how many reps live in Clayton County vs. libs???
IDK – how many live in the state of Georgia and then voted for a man who withheld information about his filing for bankruptcy as well as withdrew from congress when he was up for ethics violations? Any guesses?
Don’t know who Jim Crowe was but I do know that Jim Crow laws were passed by none other than Southern Democrats.
Who left the party to turn into born again REPUBLICANS
Do you want your “crowe” grilled or fried?
You eat it. It looks better in your mouth.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
” I just don’t buy into “it’s different now””
In other words…you can’t handle the truth. All those other Presidents had a Congress that would work with them. Obama doesn’t, and they have proven it many, many – too many – times.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:37 pm
Granny, I suspect someone got tired of Mitt’s lies. Looks like some initial reviews is that Mitt may not have paid all taxes he owed. Mitt still lying? I am shocked I tell ya.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
3:39 pm
Yeah Matti, he still plays.
We have a gig tonite at Spiced Right Barbecue in Roswell tonite 7:00 till 10:00. Come on out, I have an extra pair of congas, shakers, tambourines, and shakers.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
“One wonders why it never occurs to the GOP that the problem might be with *them,* not with the ethnic group in question.”
It certainly “occurs” to Democrats, doesn’t it? I mean, you are the umpteenth liberal who has made that claim. To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. The pattern is plainly an anomaly and something besides a political parties positions has to account for it. And I suspect it is the false and despicable charge that the GOP is racist. Why else would liberals call someone like Mr. Owens an “Uncle Tom” (as if he doesn’t have the right to have his own views and freely express them)? Calling conservative blacks such things shows there is an propensity to ensure conformity to a worldview, to group think.
But that’s me. Why don’t you listen to what he has to say since I am guessing he has a better perspective on the subject than do you or me.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
3:42 pm
Like many southern white cons, especially those on this forum, William is completely and bizarrely obsessed with black people.
Is it any wonder that like us Hebes, African Americans do not trust these so-called conservatives?
They treat entire groups of people like sh*t and then wonder why thos groups of people won’t pal around with or vote for them.
Strange…
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:43 pm
“So the only response is to call him a racially charged name? How silly. He’s entitled to his opinion.”
Agreed. Now please show me where a conservative has ever applied such an epitaph to a conservative black. I can show you instances of liberals who have (but I suspect you know that).
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
Towncrier — “It certainly “occurs” to Democrats, doesn’t it? I mean, you are the umpteenth liberal who has made that claim. To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. The pattern is plainly an anomaly and something besides a political parties positions has to account for it.”
Is it a *fact* that something else has to account for it, or is that merely your opinion?
“And I suspect it is the false and despicable charge that the GOP is racist.”
Please read the story at my link. I think J. C. Watts, Armstrong Williams, Colin Powell and former Senator Edward Brooke can reply to you much more effectively than I can.
“Why else would liberals call someone like Mr. Owens an “Uncle Tom” (as if he doesn’t have the right to have his own views and freely express them)?”
Well, I haven’t called ANY black men that, and I haven’t seen any posters here call anyone that on this thread. And if you point out liberal posters doing that, I’ll call them out. I don’t do that, I don’t endorse it, and I take a very dim view of it.
“Calling conservative blacks such things shows there is an propensity to ensure conformity to a worldview, to group think.”
I agree. Which is why I don’t do it.
“But that’s me. Why don’t you listen to what he has to say since I am guessing he has a better perspective on the subject than do you or me.”
Again, please see my link.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
Matti,
The band lets me play with them when I`m not away on my day job.
Please listen thru the bad sound quality on this web site. Our Obama check from endowment of the arts hasn`t come in yet.
http://www.reverbnation.com/theslydogband
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
“To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. ”
It isn’t though. It’s not enough to say that AA’s OUGHT to vote R. Your party needs to give them a GOOD REASON to do that. So far, you haven’t.
Ayn Rand was Right
August 24th, 2012
3:48 pm
Aquagirl – everyone with a uterus is not impacted by the abortion debate. It’s legal, it’s readily available. I don’t thing tax dollars should be used for them, but if you have cash, it’s your body. BTW Obama is a horrible President.
TaxPayer
August 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Republicans are the party of cowards. Nothing more.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Crier, I have no idea or interest in following your rabbit hole…. I can assure you that conservatives and others on the right have used any number of derogatory racial terms as well as code words over the years. Why don’t you stop making excuses and be responsible to stop your use and call out those on any side when used inappropriately.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
JamVet — “They treat entire groups of people like sh*t and then wonder why thos groups of people won’t pal around with or vote for them.”
Towncrier, please note this.
If GOP stalwarts are going to rage about welfare queens, illegal immigrants and all the languages they heard spoken down at the Social Security office, eventually, members of the groups being spoken ill of are going to get the notion that the GOP doesn’t like them. Now, you can say ‘but GOP lawmakers don’t say that,’ and for the most part, you’d be right. But neither do they *call out* people on their own SIDE who do it, and it’s that tacit acceptance — IMO — that creates this sheen of Antipathy For The Other.
You want to score points with the black or hispanic communities? Do some outreach. Hear their complaints. Listen to what THEY have to say — don’t just lecture then about what YOU want to do. Incorporate their issues into your own. Find ways to address their needs within your own milieu.
The GOP of today does not — so far as I can tell — do that in any meaningful or sustained way.
Quit demonizing demographic groups and find common ground with them. Or go on losing ground with them, it’s all the same to me.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:54 pm
“It’s legal, it’s readily available.”
Not as “readily” as you think. For instance, in Mississippi there is ONE clinic that does abortions and they are doing their best to shut that one down.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/11/us/mississippi-abortion-clinic-hearing/index.html
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
“I daresay black American men or accomplishment like J. C. Watts and Colin Powell wouldn’t have considered voting for Barack Obama unless they felt there was a compelling reason to do so. And I trust that you won’t assert that the reason was merely racism, even in their cases.”
Probably the 2008 election year should be thrown out as evidence since I think most blacks would have been tempted to vote for Obama because his was an historic nomination. Heck, had he been less liberal I might have voted for him just for that reason alone. And, last I knew, Powell was not planning to vote for Obama again.
There is no doubt the GOP has been negligent of attending to the needs of the African-Americans. That point has been made here and elsewhere. So I agree that it is not “merely” racism that explains the voting anomaly. But I would strongly contend that racism figures into the equation in no small measure. I really don’t think that can be denied.
Owens makes the argument that we should vote mainly on principle rather than other considerations. I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
just as I was making the point a few days ago that there is something clearly wrong with a 95% of particular ethnic group voting for a particular party, here comes a very articulate former black NFL great who says the exact same thing:
And after making said point, you didn’t bother to respond to my counter-point. That former NFL great is entitled to his own opinion as you are yours. The thing that neither you nor I can change is history.
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Mama
Only suggestion I have is to vote your conscience. Don’t let others influence what you do or think. I’d also suggest to never take a single source of information as fact unless it’s directly from the primary source itself. I have learned to use the write-in space quite well over time.
Mick
August 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
Who really cares what burgess owen says anyways? One person, one vote, who knows what choice is made inside the voting booth. Why should he care anyway – what a stooge, another self important ego offering advice for people who are not asking…
old dog
August 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
Who would be better off if all political parties were disbanded and outlawed? Washington tried to tell us, we didn’t listen. But right now in Ga. if you don’t affiliate with a party, you can’t run for office. The Republican Party REQUIRES all people on its ballot to swear a loyalty oath to the REPUBLICAN party; not to the people of their district. This is so wrong and eliminates the representation right out of our representative form of government. So until this changes, I have no representatives and don’t see why I should be asked to pay for one.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
C’mon man, the previous guy had a repub house six out of his eight years and rubber stamped everything he asked for
And he didn’t ask for abortions to be repealed/reversed. I wonder why? He had everything, both houses, a right leaning court, yet he didn’t even ASK for abortion “reform”. Does anyone else smell a rat?
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
“Who would be better off if all political parties were disbanded and outlawed?”
Never gonna happen.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
“And, last I knew, Powell was not planning to vote for Obama again.”
I read where he said had not made up his mind
When did he state he was not voting for him?
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
If they win again, the cons would suddenly turn patriotic and cheer lead more gop destruction of our country. Expect a different result?
Country fist.
Don’t let the gop destroy our country again. Period.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
first.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
It’s legal, it’s readily available.
Oh yeah, those clinics are on every corner. It’s not like you’d have to drive a couple hundred miles, more than once, and then run a gauntlet of crazies.
Why are cons so proudly ignorant? Y’all seem to really enjoy talking with not a thought in your heads. Do you not realize how you look? Or do you just not care?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
Towncrier — “There is no doubt the GOP has been negligent of attending to the needs of the African-Americans. That point has been made here and elsewhere.”
I appreciate your willingness to say that. We have some posters here who I think would argue that we’ve done *too much* to help African-Americans, and a couple of them have been quite nasty about it lately.
“So I agree that it is not “merely” racism that explains the voting anomaly. But I would strongly contend that racism figures into the equation in no small measure. I really don’t think that can be denied.”
I don’t reject the *possibility* that racism enters into it, but I’m not prepared to accept that it *must* be part of the equation. I’m sure that there are individual black Americans for whom racism is a motivator in elections, just as there are white Americans who are similarly motivated. That said, I’m not prepared to accept that it is a significant motivator across the broader African-American population. Nor would I accept that to be true of white Americans. Still, I’m willing to hear you out on the topic. Persuade away, sir.
“Owens makes the argument that we should vote mainly on principle rather than other considerations. I agree with that wholeheartedly.”
That seems to beg the question of whether or not African-American voters are doing that or not — and Owens seems to have made up his mind already.
Madge From Accounting
August 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
But I would strongly contend that racism figures into the equation in no small measure. I really don’t think that can be denied.
Owens makes the argument that we should vote mainly on principle rather than other considerations. I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Towncrier – why would you say, or even think that blacks vote for obama ONLY because he’s black? Isn’t that statement in and of itself as racist as you say blacks are?
How very narrow minded and short sighted of you — you must be a repuglican……
Recon 0311 2533
August 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
The libs sure are in a frantic frenzy to jump on every little tidbit they can find. It must be that all of the Obama campaigns attack ads over the last several months have failed to put comfortable distance between Obama and Romney. Recently the Mediscare attack on Ryan fizzled and the Romney/Ryan ticket has boosted Romney to either a tie or a lead in the swing states according to recent polls. Romney now has a 10 point lead over Obama with Independents and has come up significantly with the women vote. It’s still a close race but the Obama campaign hasn’t been able to build momentum and while it’s still to soon to predict it may be that the Romney campaign is beginning to build momentum and that wouldn’t bode well for Obama and the Democrats in these final few months.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
Recon is tripping, none of that is right.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
“Towncrier – why would you say, or even think that blacks vote for obama ONLY because he’s black?”
Did they vote for Clinton ONLY because he’s white?
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
It certainly “occurs” to Democrats, doesn’t it? I mean, you are the umpteenth liberal who has made that claim. To me, it smells like an empty rationalization. The pattern is plainly an anomaly and something besides a political parties positions has to account for it. And I suspect it is the false and despicable charge that the GOP is racist.
Towncrier
I tried to point you in the direction you should look when you last brought up that point. What you should do is go back and read up on history. Blacks first gained national offices under the GOP banner with the backing of L-I-B-E-R-A-L Republicans. A group that was led by a Texas Republican started what was called the Lily White Movement. That movement was founded with the intent of running Blacks out of the GOP.
The Black vote, throughout history, has followed the more liberal politicians. The GOP has ran off Liberal Republicans, and they have almost completely rid themselves of Moderate Republicans. One of the unintendended consequences of those actions is that they’ve run off the very people that Black Americans would vote for.
Sure, Blacks attend church and hold conservative ideals in different area. However, most every significant gain that Black Americans have obtained has been with the aid of progressive minded people, a.k.a. Liberals. Can you name one significant Black achievement that was aided by Conservative America, not Republican nor Democrat America, but Conservative America?
Only in recent history has the political parties become so signficantly partisaned. Fifty to sixty years ago, it was possible to have Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats. Nowadays, that’s nowhere near as possible. People hide behind the parties when discussing Black America, but very few people actually want to dig deeper and discuss the ideologies at play. It’s much easier to be dismissive and use party labels.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
Madge — “And he didn’t ask for abortions to be repealed/reversed. I wonder why? He had everything, both houses, a right leaning court, yet he didn’t even ASK for abortion “reform”. Does anyone else smell a rat?”
I think we effectively have abortion detente, a la US-USSR in the 70s.
Each side has *part* of what it wants, but if either side makes a decisive move to win, the other side will go Launch Enable on them. No way the GOP dares to outlaw abortions on a nationwide level, as they’d pretty much assure that screaming Democrats would kick them out of office for the better part of a generation. And the same’s true of the Democrats — so we end up in state battles and courtroom pushbacks. And that’s where it’s going to stay for the foreseeable future, IMO.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
The gop are running a birther hiding his taxes because he is scared of being attacked.
Amazing.
td
August 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
“President Obama’s Twitter account has 18.8 million followers — but more than half of them really don’t exist, according to reports.
A new Web tool has determined that 70% of Obama’s crowd includes “fake followers,” The New York Times reports in a story about how Twitter followers can be purchased.”
Some of us have known he has faked his whole Presidency.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDfeB6CMrNW
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
Madge
Yep…..They have used that rat as bait on the hook for evangelicals all these years and whenever the opportunity was available they did nothing.
Abortion will never be illegal again in this country. Never.
Of the six women I know who have had the procedure all six still are
Republican voters – as are their husbands.
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
Sling the lying poo td.
Nothing is sticking.
Teflon Obama.
skydog
August 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
OPEN CASTING CALL!
I`ll give any con the microphone and 5 minutes at our gig tonite to express your stuff. Not a trick, just a random barbque house. You may be a hit?
I`ll be behind the chicken wire.
JamVet
August 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
Twits following tweets.
Niiice…
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:11 pm
TROLL ALERT!!!!!
Mick
August 24th, 2012
4:11 pm
Well, the romney/ryan ticket is not exactly lighting them up either. The debates will be the key, romney has of yet to seal the deal…
getalife
August 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
doomy will need more than five minutes.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
getalife & JamVet
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/08/24/mitt-romney-%e2%80%98no-one%e2%80%99s-ever-asked-to-see-my-birth-certificate%e2%80%99/?cp=2#comment-241856
Y’all need to go back and read the memo. You’ll get up to speed very quickly on which posts to scroll past. If you don’t know the agenda, you’ll never recognize it for what it is.
Courtesy of RedState:
http://www.redstate.com/davenj1/2011/05/15/weakening-the-democratic-base-part-5-liberal-netroots/
So the best way of combating the liberal netroots is through a 4-point program.
First, infiltratethe site… Once you are there, the second part of the strategy is to gain their trust…
The third step is to move the conversation in the direction you desire… Once there, you can then highjack the thread.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
Bro
Great post earlier. Must be said that Democrats have taken the black vote for granted on many many occasions.
With that said, when you take off the party labels and ask people to dialogue in terms of conservative & liberal, it is much more factual and harder for someone to just blame or credit D or R.
Recon 0311 2533
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
More sheeet
skydog
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
I don`t think so getalife, this crowd don`t don`t play. They come in with rotten fruit.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
“Now, you can say ‘but GOP lawmakers don’t say that,’ and for the most part, you’d be right. But neither do they *call out* people on their own SIDE who do it, and it’s that tacit acceptance — IMO — that creates this sheen of Antipathy For The Other.”
I would contend that the media is very complicit in all of this, for it will reiterate ad infinitum something someone says for clearly partisan purposes. And your point applies equally well to liberals who do not speak out when the Sharptons, Jacksons and Waters of this world attempt to force conformity to their racist views. If it were not for conservative media, we would never hear of such things. So it is a two way street.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
off topic…
From NBC
Users on several militant Islamic websites affiliated with al-Qaida have posted the name and photo of a former Navy SEAL identified as the author of an upcoming book on the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden. The posts called for his “destruction” in revenge for the al-Qaida founder’s killing.
Brosephus™
August 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
They BOTH
I have also expressed that very exact sentiment towards the Democratic Party. That’s why I laugh when I get labeled as a liberal here. People don’t actively read here. They let the voices in their heads interpret posts for them.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Twitter, Twitter, nothing slicker
Shallow as a bumper-sticker.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Lucifer
August 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
You know it’s downright scary. Akin’s stated a position as archaic as “the world is flat.” Does the egg of a victim know if her attacker’s sperm is friend or foe? Of course not. The Huckster is as nuts as the rest of the clowns in the Goofy Odd People’s party. And, as a former Las Vegas news reporter, to have Romney dictate to me the perimeters of an interview would have been an outrage. No self-respecting journalist would allow his/her journalistic ethics to be breached by interviewing someone like Romney who demands beforehand that you can’t ask him about certain issues. Journalistically speaking, any reporter who respects his profession would recoil from a potential interviewee’s list of demands about what the public should know and not know. If a journalist agrees to these boundaries, he/she is no better than the so called “reporters” on the Fox Propaganda Network. You just don’t agree to an interview if the interviewee is telling you what questions to ask, and what to not ask. It just isn’t done. Bill Buckley and Ron Reagan must be tossing in their graves about the batcrap crazy nonsense being spewed by the radical right — now the mainstream thought for the traditional party we once knew as the Grand Old Party of Reagan’s days.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
Bro
Guess you question wont be answered or the internet is being scoured for something, anything that is close to the question you asked
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
Brosephus — “Y’all need to go back and read the memo. You’ll get up to speed very quickly on which posts to scroll past. If you don’t know the agenda, you’ll never recognize it for what it is.”
My wife’s been doing this on conservative sites for YEARS. I read them and post there from time to time, but she actually cultivates IDs for later use.
What does she use them for? Usually for snarky anti-con posts on election nights, when the sites are swamped with posts and the admins are too busy to delete posts or block IP addresses.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
4:26 pm
skydog,
AWESOME!!! I would love to come out tonight, but I’m otherwise occupied. I do get over there from time to time, though, specifically to listen to the blues! It’s only incidental that I sometimes ingest the 9000-calorie-per-bite hashbrown casserole! I will totally come out to see them on another night.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Towncrier — “I would contend that the media is very complicit in all of this, for it will reiterate ad infinitum something someone says for clearly partisan purposes.”
Rejected. The media isn’t partisan. In general, the mass media have two objectives in all this:
1) Obtain/maintain candidate/elected person access
2) Scoop the competition
Repeated studies have demonstrated #1 to be true; the mass media tend to be acquiescent to whoever’s in office (because they want to keep that access). However, when the media thinks it has a *damaging* story on an officeholder, #2 comes into play.
Once again, I’ve spent most of my adult life on the GOP side, and now, having been on both ideological sides, I don’t agree with your assessment. The media looks out for its “own* interests.
“And your point applies equally well to liberals who do not speak out when the Sharptons, Jacksons and Waters of this world attempt to force conformity to their racist views.”
. . .
I’m sorry, but I can’t continue this conversation with you. You seem only too ready to accuse others of racism while you seem equally ready to dismiss accusations of racism aimed at your own camp.
This is Jay’s playground, and out of respect for him, I think I’d better withdraw from this discussion before I post something I’m sorry for later.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
4:33 pm
“The Black vote, throughout history, has followed the more liberal politicians. The GOP has ran off Liberal Republicans, and they have almost completely rid themselves of Moderate Republicans. One of the unintendended consequences of those actions is that they’ve run off the very people that Black Americans would vote for.”
Liberalism has acquired entirely new nuances since the 60s, Brosephus. So I find your argument somewhat specious. We are no longer talking about common sense liberties envisioned by the founding fathers. We are talking about computer generated child porn, profanity laced and highly obscene comedy “routines”, women being able to get abortion NOT because they were raped or molested or their lives are in danger but because they had (in the worst case) a drunken casual sexual encounter with someone they didn’t know and don’t want to suffer the consequences, gay marriage, cities like SF actually considering whether or not to publicly fund sex change operations.
I am for personal liberty but not allowing gross behavior that goes by that name .
“Sure, Blacks attend church and hold conservative ideals in different area. However, most every significant gain that Black Americans have obtained has been with the aid of progressive minded people, a.k.a. Liberals. Can you name one significant Black achievement that was aided by Conservative America, not Republican nor Democrat America, but Conservative America?”
Your question is not a fair one. It is not hard at all to find Blacks who have realized significant achievements with the help of conservative people. And you know it. Why make it a party thing? Why does one vote mainly or solely or always on the basis of what a politician is going to do for them? How many moral principles is one content to compromise to get something?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
4:38 pm
…women being able to get abortion NOT because they were raped or molested or their lives are in danger but because they had (in the worst case) a drunken casual sexual encounter with someone they didn’t know and don’t want to suffer the consequences…
Abortion is a legal procedure and it is not contingent on your tender feefees getting hurted.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2012
4:47 pm
Users on several militant Islamic websites affiliated with al-Qaida have posted the name and photo of a former Navy SEAL identified as the author of an upcoming book
Oh geez. And I see Faux News has the alleged name and hometown of Mr. Loose Lips.
Matti
August 24th, 2012
4:49 pm
Towncrier: “…but because they had (in the worst case) a drunken casual sexual encounter with someone they didn’t know…”
Bless his heart. He probably doesn’t even know that there’s a vast, infinite number of social scenarios in which a woman may become pregnant. If this is what he really thinks of women, it’s probably because it’s what he witnessed most growing up.
Towncrier, please have hope! There are lots of good, decent people out there — men AND women — who treat each other and themselves with respect, fall in love, enter into a marriage contract soberly and reverently, and reproduce joyfully, praise the Lord!
independent thinker
August 24th, 2012
4:52 pm
I do not know why any right wing cons have been taking up space here talking aout abortions and rape. Your master and spokesperson, Rush Limbaugh anounced yesterday that all cons were prohibited from discussing abortion and rape in or with the press particulary as to Governor Ultrasounds platform on abortion. Romney immediately complied and told a reporter those topics were off limit. Don’t you folks understand who is giving the orders you must obey? I wonder if he will give Romney a daily brief if Romney gets elected.
td
August 24th, 2012
5:00 pm
independent thinker
August 24th, 2012
4:52 pm
Rush has always said that he has gotten rich because you libs are so obsessed with him that you listen to every moment of his show.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:01 pm
“Rejected. The media isn’t partisan.”
First off all, media is no longer a monolithic entity any more. In any case, you are very hard pressed to explain the numerous partisan statements made by media people in recent years – your unnamed “studies” to the contrary. A generalization has to encompass the particulars in order to be valid and not simply an opinion. So I find your response invalid.
“I’m sorry, but I can’t continue this conversation with you. You seem only too ready to accuse others of racism while you seem equally ready to dismiss accusations of racism aimed at your own camp.”
I don’t at all. What I have a problem with is the apparent liberal mentality that racism is America is a mostly white phenomenon. It is not even close to being so. I harp on it because it bothers me (along with the white male bashing we have also seen in the past two decades). People here have called me racist, but my wife (who is Hispanic) and I took into our home a black man from our church dying from Lupus the last year of his life (not to mention many other things I have done). Racism is mostly INSTILLED in people during childhood. Children are not born that way. They are taught to be that way. I just get upset about a party being called racist when, in fact, most whites in America are not that way. So we are said to be “unconsciously” that way. But, on the other hand, there is no element of racism is saying something like “white men can’t jump” (even though Rick Barry’s son won an NBA slam dunk contest with a dunk from the foul line). That one really gets me because, as someone who grew up playing a lot of basketball, I can assure there are plenty of whites that can, in fact, jump (I was one of them).
Bottom line: I am just tired of hearing that the GOP is mainly a bunch of white racists (it has been done here plenty of times) It is not true and the charge is despicable. I grant that the GOP has not been particularly keen on addressing (or better, helping to solve) real problems of minorities. That makes them arguably negligent, not racist.
I think the problem the GOP has is that it is comprised of social conservatives who believe strongly in moral principles (like enforcing the law) but also by fiscal or military conservatives who aren’t so moral (and turn their face away from or even encourage illegal immigration).
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:08 pm
“Oh geez. And I see Faux News has the alleged name and hometown of Mr. Loose Lips.”
Jay pointed that out yesterday. Indefensible. But I think it goes to show that any news network values the claim to breaking a story above its own ideology or ethics.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:12 pm
“If you’re voting for a candidate, that vote is an agreement with that person’s principles, whether you think it is or not. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Green Party candidate. Who votes for someone with whom they disagree with?”
Blacks who don’t support the idea of gay marriage? There is probably no candidate that represents a particular person’s principles completely. All you can typically hope for is maybe a 70-80% representation.
Triple Double
August 24th, 2012
5:15 pm
“Rush has always said that he has gotten rich because you libs are so obsessed with him that you listen to every moment of his show.”
And you knew he “always said that” because like the tool you are, you need him to think for you, so you “always” listen to him.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 24th, 2012
5:18 pm
Towncrier — “First off all, media is no longer a monolithic entity any more.”
I just remembered why I don’t like getting into discussions of this sort with you. You’re prone to leaping to conclusions and inserting words into my mouth and thoughts into my head without so much as a by-your-leave.
I made no *claim* to monolithism. Yet the media need not BE monolithic to act in its own best interests. By your logic, no individual would take shelter from tornadoes unless the storm was headed *directly* at them. Either the community as a whole would take shelter or it would not.
“In any case, you are very hard pressed to explain the numerous partisan statements made by media people in recent years – your unnamed “studies” to the contrary.”
Didn’t you just get done saying the media wasn’t monolithic? Yet now you’re lumping them all together to make a point?
“A generalization has to encompass the particulars in order to be valid and not simply an opinion. So I find your response invalid.”
(laughing) You need to check your own opinions at the door, son.
“I don’t at all.”
I think you did, you do and you are.
“What I have a problem with is the apparent liberal mentality that racism is America is a mostly white phenomenon.”
I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to present more than your opinion here.
“It is not even close to being so. I harp on it because it bothers me (along with the white male bashing we have also seen in the past two decades). People here have called me racist, but my wife (who is Hispanic) and I took into our home a black man from our church dying from Lupus the last year of his life (not to mention many other things I have done).”
Your personal behavior, while laudable, is not something your *race* gets credit for.
“Racism is mostly INSTILLED in people during childhood. Children are not born that way. They are taught to be that way. I just get upset about a party being called racist when, in fact, most whites in America are not that way.”
You’re presenting quite a lot of opinion here. So per your own standard above, I find your response invalid. At least I’ve got ‘unnamed studies;’ all you’ve got is a passel of ranting.
“So we are said to be “unconsciously” that way.”
Not by me, you’re not.
“But, on the other hand, there is no element of racism is saying something like “white men can’t jump” (even though Rick Barry’s son won an NBA slam dunk contest with a dunk from the foul line). That one really gets me because, as someone who grew up playing a lot of basketball, I can assure there are plenty of whites that can, in fact, jump (I was one of them).”
Oh, good grief. You’re griping and ranting about a MOVIE TITLE?
“Bottom line: I am just tired of hearing that the GOP is mainly a bunch of white racists (it has been done here plenty of times) It is not true and the charge is despicable.”
I haven’t said anything to the contrary and I’ve made no such charge. And you’re being a Richard.
“I grant that the GOP has not been particularly keen on addressing (or better, helping to solve) real problems of minorities. That makes them arguably negligent, not racist.”
Then since I DID say that, perhaps you’d be good enough to focus on THAT point, instead of a bunch of other spit that you only have your opinion to support.
“I think the problem the GOP has is that it is comprised of social conservatives who believe strongly in moral principles (like enforcing the law) but also by fiscal or military conservatives who aren’t so moral (and turn their face away from or even encourage illegal immigration).”
I have no idea what your problem is this evening, and I certainly hope you’re able to come to grips with it in a constructive manner. Have a good weekend; I shan’t be responding to you any longer on this thread while you’re in this frame of mind.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:21 pm
“Towncrier, please have hope! There are lots of good, decent people out there — men AND women — who treat each other and themselves with respect, fall in love, enter into a marriage contract soberly and reverently, and reproduce joyfully, praise the Lord!”
I know full well that there are. And I also know that there are plenty of decent people who don’t find “comedy” that centers on profanity-laced and graphic descriptions of sexual acts funny. That’s not the point. The point is that it happens and it is ugly. It happens because liberal thinking people imagine that, in part, is what constitutes “free speech” (along with computer generated depictions of sex with children). I would like to draw the line at the bathroom. Others want to draw it in the sewer.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2012
5:24 pm
“Rush has always said that he has gotten rich because you libs are so obsessed with him that you listen to every moment of his show”
I know one lib he hasn’t earned a penny from
Joseph
August 24th, 2012
5:32 pm
Huckabee exposes that the Republican Party is a big tent party. We have pro-life folks who think abortion should be legal. We have some who believe an abortion should only happen with incest and rape. And even some pro-death folks such as many dems who won’t vote fr Oblama this time.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 24th, 2012
5:35 pm
It happens because liberal thinking people imagine that, in part, is what constitutes “free speech” (along with computer generated depictions of sex with children).
If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.
Towncrier
August 24th, 2012
5:54 pm
Yet another perspective:
“http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/24/acorn-whistle-blower-on-akin-gate-women-are-the-new-pawns-in-this-political-game/