The American mainstream bypassing the GOP

The Republican Party has invested years of effort in trying to depict Barack Hussein Obama as unAmerican and far outside the mainstream. And while the notion lies at the very dark heart of the birther movement peddled by clowns such Donald Trump and Orly Taitz, it has been pushed hard by top party leaders as well.

When Newt Gingrich accuses Obama of “Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior,” when John Sununu wishes Obama “would learn to be American,” and when Mitt Romney himself complains that Obama’s “course is extraordinarily foreign,” they’re all attempting to define Obama out of the American mainstream. The arguments stands at the core of their anti-Obama strategy.

The videotape of the Texas judge warning that if re-elected, Obama would lead a military takeover by the United Nations makes it clear that the notion has taken hold among those who are themselves on the fringes of sanity, but we already knew that. The question is, how deeply has that meme penetrated among ordinary Americans?

In their newly released poll, NBC News and the Wall Street Journal asked the question straight out: “When it comes to his approaches to issues, would you say that Barack Obama is in the mainstream of Americans’ thinking, or is out of step with most Americans’ thinking?”

Fifty-four percent of Americans thought of Obama as within the American mainstream, while 44 percent thought he was not. When the same question was asked four years ago, just 29 percent thought of Obama as outside the mainstream. So clearly, the GOP drive to define Obama as unAmerican has had some success.

But at what price? In addition to Obama, the pollsters asked the same question about Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Joe Biden and candidates for Congress. Here’s what they found:

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Obama, it turns out, is considered the most mainstream of any of those mentioned, followed by Democratic candidates for office. More than half of Americans consider Mitt Romney out of the mainstream, while four years ago just 41 percent said the same about John McCain.

On the other hand, those who have been most adamant about Barack Obama’s lack of credentials as a real American — Republican candidates for Congress — are today considered mainstream by just 38 percent of their fellow Americans. And it is largely an image earned on merit, by their own rhetoric and actions.

By the way, the poll was taken Aug. 16-20, largely before U.S. Rep. Todd Akin’s little rant about “legitimate rape” became such a big story. I suspect that may have pushed the congressional GOP even deeper into crackpot territory in the eyes of American voters.

Barack Obama, gliding safely down the mainstream, while the self-styled defenders of the American way find themselves circling in a back eddy, going nowhere … I admit, there’s an irony in that outcome that I find both delicious and reassuring.

– Jay Bookman

551 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 23rd, 2012
8:32 am

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
8:33 am

Barack Obama, gliding safely down the mainstream, while the self-styled defenders of the American way find themselves circling in a back eddy, going nowhere … I admit, there’s an irony in that outcome that I find both delicious and reassuring.

My take on those poll numbers show how few people really have an idea of what “mainstream” actually entails nowadays. What one person may consider to be mainstream may be extreme to his/her next door neighbor. What we need is someone with common friggin’ sense to dispel all this mud and fecal matter being thrown around masquerading as “truth”. As of lately, I’m losing confidence in our press to be that neutralizing force that it should be. Media is becoming more of the problem when it has the position to actually be the solution.

King of Everything

August 23rd, 2012
8:34 am

Obama showed his birth certificate. Oily Taintz and The Donald is yet to show their evidence. As the saying goes “One fool makes many”.

HDB

August 23rd, 2012
8:35 am

Republicans have just lost their sanity with some of the extreme positions they’ve taken…..and this has been going on since 1964!! The good thing: many are now starting to see it! There are many of us that have been seeing this insanity all along,,,,,,,,,,,

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 23rd, 2012
8:35 am

Brosephus™ @8:33

Excellent post.

Bill Orvis White

August 23rd, 2012
8:36 am

Governor Romney is someone who the country can look up to – similar to how the nation looked up to the honorable President Ronald Reagan. Yes, Gov. Romney has the same qualities that were found in President Reagan: excellent leadership skills, real character, a love of country, family and protection from evil. It’s a fact that we have not seen these qualities in “President” Obama, who has ballooned up the deficit, lost jobs, disrespected the office and military and has regulated us out of existence. Folks, we are at the tipping point with high taxe$ and deficits that will turn this once-free nation into another Greece. We MUST vote for common sense and freedom this fall and STOP THIS MADNESS! What’s wrong with calling a duck, a duck!? “President” Obama holds Marxist, anti-capitalist, pro-big-gov’t views. These are un-American qualities in this so-called “leader!” This is very dangerous, folks! Yes, when we wave the white flag of surrender to the United Nations, it’s all over for us. This is why I have a fortified structure stocked with a cache of weaponry and canned goods. The people in this once-free country need to get their collective heads out of the sand and be prepared for the selling out of America. Please go see “2016″ and you will see what this installed-”president” is doing to us. Good night! Amen, Bill

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
8:38 am

Governor Romney is someone who the country can look up to

Only if one is a farmer looking for fertilizer to spread across his fields. Otherwise, Romney is about as useful to America as a football bat.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
8:38 am

I liked the part where Republicans said that banning abortions and disenfranchising poor people and black people actually makes us MORE free.

‘Cause it was funny.

jms

August 23rd, 2012
8:38 am

Fifty-four percent of Americans thought of Obama as within the American mainstream, while 44 percent thought he was not. When the same question was asked four years ago, just 29 percent thought of Obama as outside the mainstream. So clearly, the GOP drive to define Obama as unAmerican has had some success.

…or as the electorate has come to know the relatively unknown President, they don’t think he is so mainstream

Mick

August 23rd, 2012
8:38 am

If there was no fox news, how different might that polling be? They’ve done a bang up job of propaganda…

King of Everything

August 23rd, 2012
8:39 am

I get the feeling that if Obama adopts a new policy 0% tax for the top earners, the Republicans would say “NO”.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
8:40 am

“My take on those poll numbers show how few people really have an idea of what “mainstream” actually entails nowadays.”

exactly – most people think that THEY are mainstream … so, if their economic situation is good = everyone’s is … if not = no one’s is, regardless of the facts

Murph

August 23rd, 2012
8:40 am

And it’s clear that God is condemning the extremism of the Republican party and is sending a hurricane to interrupt their convention.

King of Everything

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

Joe – their interpretation of “us” does not include blacks or poor or women.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

“Barack Obama, gliding safely down the mainstream, while the self-styled defenders of the American way find themselves circling in a back eddy, going nowhere … I admit, there’s an irony in that outcome that I find both delicious and reassuring.”

More people seem to think Obama is more out of step with the mainstream than Paul Ryan is. How delicious is that?

You know I just can’t take this poll seriously though.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

But Jay, that mid-term during the Great Recession. It proved once and for all that America loves it some wingnuttery.

Also your pollsters are all librully bassed too.

(think that covers the “refutations” we’ll hear, here.)

Bob Loblaw

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

Neither of them are “mainstream”. C’mon, we’re a polarized country. Even the GOP is polarized, especially in GA. Divided houses do not stand, people. Romney could be mainstream tomorrow if his consultants could figure out how to get his talking points straight.

However, Romney could go a LONG way in returning to the mainstream if he got the GOP to amend their scientifically baseless “personhood” amendment to their platform to include a rape and incest exception in the wake of the Akin comments. He would look like a leader, move to the middle and help himself immensely with women.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

Murph – 8:40 … you forgot to say “AGAIN.”

Liberal Pariah

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

If you voted for Obama to prove you’re not a racist in 2008, you’d better vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot”

Mick

August 23rd, 2012
8:43 am

bill orvis

Gee willikers…funny how the dems didn’t make threats to take up arms after the previous guy lost to gore in the popular vote…we are after all – civilized, something your primitive mind can’t comprehend…

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
8:43 am

“More people seem to think Obama is more out of step with the mainstream than Paul Ryan is. How delicious is that?”

because most people don’t know him yet.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:44 am

And it’s clear that God is condemning the extremism of the Republican party and is sending a hurricane to interrupt their convention.

I really don’t like that theory. If God were taking an active role in this, She’d make sure there was nothing to distract from the furious wingnuttery being generated during the convention.

The weather is a media distraction, and if anything it gives the GOP a chance to stand tall and look brave for carrying on amidst the storm. The friggin’ stories write themselves.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 23rd, 2012
8:45 am

Liberal Pariah

August 23rd, 2012
8:42 am
If you voted for Obama to prove you’re not a racist in 2008, you’d better vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot”

poppycock

ByteMe - Political thug

August 23rd, 2012
8:45 am

So being a “Kenyan” means you’re part of the mainstream, but being the guy on the Monopoly box makes you out of the mainstream. Got it :)

What I take from this is that 4 years later, we’re more polarized. The numbers for Obama are flipped for the numbers for Romney. Not much wiggle room for voters to change their minds.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
8:45 am

L. Pariah — “If you voted for Obama to prove you’re not a racist in 2008, you’d better vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot”

Sorry, but I voted against McCain – Palin in 2008 to prove that I wasn’t an idiot. So now I need to vote for Obama for the reason you stated.

Get back to me in four years, k?

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 23rd, 2012
8:45 am

“because most people don’t know him yet.”

True…that is most likely why BO went from 29 to 44 over the last 4 years.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 23rd, 2012
8:46 am

If God were taking an active role in this, She’d make sure there was nothing to distract from the furious wingnuttery being generated during the convention.

Or she’d make sure a technical “glitch” caused the microphone to cut out on every 3rd word… just to make RNC nonsense more interesting.

RB from Gwinnett

August 23rd, 2012
8:46 am

Hey Jay, do you wear a little skirt and wave the Pom-poms when you write this crap? A big “O” on you’re tight sweater?

Here’s a clue, Jay. Socialism is not only not mainstream American, its not American. Obama is at best a socialist. Do the corollary for yourself.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:46 am

Romney could be mainstream tomorrow if his consultants could figure out how to get his talking points straight.

Romney could be Che Guevara if his consultants could figure out how to get his talking points straight.

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
8:48 am

However, Romney could go a LONG way in returning to the mainstream if he got the GOP to amend their scientifically baseless “personhood” amendment to their platform to include a rape and incest exception in the wake of the Akin comments.

Romney has a much better chance of boxing Mike Tyson and winning by TKO in less than 90 seconds than he has of getting the GOP to even consider what you just suggested.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:48 am

Hey Jay, do you wear a little skirt and wave the Pom-poms when you write this crap? A big “O” on you’re tight sweater?

And the “refutations” begin…

Adam

August 23rd, 2012
8:48 am

So clearly, the GOP drive to define Obama as unAmerican has had some success.

The GOP is being DIVISIVE! They need to take their FEAR and HATE and DIVISIVE rhetoric back to…. well, they just need to stop it frankly.

Liberal Pariah

August 23rd, 2012
8:49 am

This country is so polarized nobody knows what ‘mainstream’ is anymore. A waste of blog space it is…and that’s saying something around here.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 23rd, 2012
8:49 am

Socialism is not only not mainstream American, its not American. Obama is at best a socialist

Of course, by “socialist” you mean anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Because otherwise, you have no clue what a socialist really is.

Mark T

August 23rd, 2012
8:50 am

NBC, Wall St Journal…enough said

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
8:50 am

RB — “Hey Jay, do you wear a little skirt and wave the Pom-poms when you write this crap? A big “O” on you’re tight sweater?”

Look out, Jay. RB’s got his eye on you. :D

Mick

August 23rd, 2012
8:52 am

rb

What looks more attractive these days socialism or vulture capitalism or in your case you probably prefer cannibal capitalism where the needs of the few out weigh all of the needs of the many, burp…

Adam

August 23rd, 2012
8:52 am

Bill Nye made a good comment the other day I haven’t thought of. When you live in rural America, where your next door neighbor is far enough away for it to be measured in miles, then the idea that humans can have any effect on the climate is ridiculous TO YOU. And that if you grow up with a belief like that, it’s likely to stick. And I think that explains a good portion of why people in rural areas vote largely Republican. Not because of just Climate Change but on a whole host of issues because of lack of exposure to reality that most other people experience because they live closer together and see more diversity and more everything really.

Welcome to the Occupation

August 23rd, 2012
8:53 am

There’s just one problem with this Schadenfreude. The American political system, being the two-party system it is with no other valid contending movements or parties waiting in the wings, is geared so that even a despised, even an almost thoroughly discredited party like today’s GOP is still going to be able to count on roughly 45% of a vote.

The Democrats are still going to take California. Mitt Romney, short of child-molestation revelations, is still going to take states like Texas and Georgia, no matter what.

Actually maybe the only thing other than child molestation revelations that could really sink Romney with his supporters is if he were to offhandedly claim that something is “bigger than Jesus”. That might hurt his chances, too.

Short of that, voters have nowhere else to go.

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
8:53 am

Hey Jay, do you wear a little skirt and wave the Pom-poms when you write this crap? A big “O” on you’re tight sweater?

When run through the BS translator, I got this result:

I can’t refute what Jay said, so I’ll try to write something all cutesy to show I can’t debate his points.

Jay

August 23rd, 2012
8:53 am

Ummm, Mark T?

Would you happen to know who owns the Wall Street Journal? Have you ever read their editorial pages? (Not that I’m recommending it)

Another example of the eagerness to ignore an obvious fact as long as it allows you to have your mental universe unchallenged.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 23rd, 2012
8:53 am

RB from Gwinnett

August 23rd, 2012
8:46 am

Socialism

Socialism

Socialism

Socialism

Socialism

tee hee hee, same old same old

balderdash

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:54 am

Romney has a much better chance of boxing Mike Tyson and winning by TKO in less than 90 seconds than he has of getting the GOP to even consider what you just suggested.

And pardon my Anglo-Saxon, but, f–k the “rape and incest exception.” I kinda like that these misogynist wads-o’-jerk continue to pushing for total criminalization.

Let them own it. Let this be the issue it deserves to be. Let’s have this out already. Criminalizing abortion is so out-there that they don’t even bother to poll for it, far as I can tell, but if you get all candy-ass and just ask if it should be “always illegal,” (as opposed to “should women who terminate a pregnancy go to jail?”) you get high-teens/low-20s.

http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:54 am

Have you ever read their editorial pages? (Not that I’m recommending it)

makes you go blind, I hear.

Williebkind

August 23rd, 2012
8:54 am

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
8:45 am
So you voted for Biden and Obama! Now tell me how that is worked out for your intelligent selection.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
8:54 am

“that is most likely why BO went from 29 to 44 over the last 4 years.”

considering how many people still think he’s muslim, I’d say that it’s because of the lies perpetrated on the unthinking masses by FOX

YMMV

Peter

August 23rd, 2012
8:55 am

The Super Rich are behind the GOP candidates, hoping to pay less in taxes and have the middle class pay more in taxes.

There is little interest to help the poor, the programs for the poor will get cut, as well as Social Security as the Rich even though they take the payments don’t need the money, except for play.

detritusUSA

August 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

What is “mainstream”? Republicans obviously have no idea since the word “moderate” has become an epithet with them. The entire party, including the rinos, have become radical, much like the crowd that relentlessly punished the South and Georgia in particular 150 years ago. Extremism is a vice instead of a virtue.

Tom

August 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

The biggest thing holding the GOP back right now is the 50+ segment.

Each new generation of GOP-leaning voter base is more socially moderate/libertarian than the one preceding it. They are focused much more on the fiscally-conservative issues than social issues, which helps attract like-minded independents. It was the focus on the fiscal issues ONLY that attracted so may to the real TP movement in ‘09/’10.

The ‘old guard’ of the GOP is still heavily-laden with Talibaptist types who can’t see past their “phags and phetuses” issues…..and happily get baited into every social issue discussion with the libs, which only causes the moderates and independents to shake their heads and put their faces in their palms.

Fiscally, the GOP and Tea Party movement are dead-on with the solutions to our economic malaise. If only the ‘old guard’ and their religio-fascist mindset could die off faster.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

So being a “Kenyan” means you’re part of the mainstream, but being the guy on the Monopoly box makes you out of the mainstream.

A “Kenyan” who scooped ice cream at a Baskin Robbins.

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

dB

You have a point there. And I have no problem with your Anglo-Saxon.

nelson

August 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

When Ronald Reagan was president of the U.S. people thought he was America. He was synonimous with American flag. I do not see that with President Obama. He is more of a United Nations type trying to appease every country when they do not want appeasement.
When Ronald Reagan visited West German Berlin he said, “Mr, Gorbachev tear down this wall.” We do not hear that same straight forward rehtoric. What we hear when the President is talking to the Russian president, “tell Valadimire I will go along with him, I have to get reelected first”.
I far prefer straight talk, without all the subterfuge.
Which reminds me of a chat with a young lad, he said, when I grow up I want to be President and give all the homeless a new home. I said, why wait, you can work for me in the yard. i will give you $50.00 and you can go down and give it to the homeless guy on the corner. The little boy says,”why doesn’t he come over and work himself?” I said, “WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’.

JP

August 23rd, 2012
8:57 am

Unfortunately, Obama is very much part of the mainstream culture…killing unborn children, gay marriage, no values, no morals, no god, just ego and self-centeredness. Yup, that’s our modern culture, folks. That’s Obama. We should all aspire for something better than this. Liberals want to discard anything related to tradition, scripture, common sense, history, natural law, etc. Look at the results…chaos and discord! Maybe our ancestors knew something that we don’t, that using “traditional” values have worked for thousands of years. The Liberal insanity continues over the cliff…

Williebkind

August 23rd, 2012
8:57 am

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

August 23rd, 2012
8:53 am
We prefer communism. After all what party would the communist be accepted.

ty webb

August 23rd, 2012
8:57 am

Obama as the “victim”…again…zzzzzzzzzzz. Atleast he hasn’t been called a foreigner who wears magic underwear who causes cancer. So there’s that.

markie mark

August 23rd, 2012
8:58 am

I agree with jms….again, liberals drawing conclusions that fit their world view. I believe it is just a case of most Americans seeing the Presidents’ ACTIONS, not just his beautifully eloquent words…..

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
8:58 am

“So you voted for Biden and Obama”

First of all, I voted for Obama/Biden (not the other way around)

how has it worked out?

economy is recovering, jobs are growing, people can no longer be refused coverage by healthcare, and I feel like there is someone in the Oval Office who thinks that I am a person, not a brood mare …
(oh, and Osama is DEAD)

all-in-all, it’s worked out pretty effing well.

Mary Elizabeth

August 23rd, 2012
8:59 am

“You can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.”

============================================

Happy birthday, Jay.

Williebkind

August 23rd, 2012
8:59 am

Where are the jobs? Where are the pay increases for those who have jobs? It seems you have to be liberal and rich to overlook such things.

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
8:59 am

So being a “Kenyan” means you’re part of the mainstream, but being the guy on the Monopoly box makes you out of the mainstream.

Trace your family tree back far enough, and you’re likely to find someone who was not born on American soil. You can also look on that same tree and not necessarily find someone who would appear on the Monopoly box. Therefore, it seems that being “Kenyan” is indeed more mainstream than being Mr. Monopoly.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 23rd, 2012
9:00 am

“Short of that, voters have nowhere else to go.”

With the new Super-Pac money rules I was kind of expecting some rich people to back a 3rd party candidate. As often happens…I was wrong about that.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
9:01 am

Williebkind — “So you voted for Biden and Obama! Now tell me how that is worked out for your intelligent selection.”

Much better than voting for McCain and Palin. Did you know that McCain has — ZOMG — no private sector experience whatsoever? And yet y’all nominated him over Romney? (laughing, pointing).

And as far as Palin goes, I’m not sure, but I think she’s functionally illiterate. That would mean that she wouldn’t be able to actually read bills before voting on them, so it’s a good thing she didn’t get to be our VP. Wouldn’t want her to actually have to break any ties in the Senate or anything.

Williebkind

August 23rd, 2012
9:01 am

USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
8:58 am
You must get out more in the real world because reading the liberal propaganda does not reflect the economy that the rest of us live in.

Mick

August 23rd, 2012
9:02 am

jp

Yes, every problem in america can be traced back to jan 09 where it all began. Now…WAKEUP and smell the coffee…

Williebkind

August 23rd, 2012
9:03 am

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
9:01 am
Yeah Joe Biden is greater choice. You make me laugh.

barking frog

August 23rd, 2012
9:03 am

The stream no longer has a
main.

Brosephus™

August 23rd, 2012
9:04 am

Where are the jobs? Where are the pay increases for those who have jobs? It seems you have to be liberal and rich to overlook such things.

Nope. You can be conservative and promise those things to get votes. After getting elected, you don’t get called to the carpet for your BS as a conservative though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w

I’m sure you’ve contacted Johnny Isakson and asked him those questions as well, right? I’d hate for you to expose your hypocrisy once again for that statement you just made.

:roll:

azazel

August 23rd, 2012
9:05 am

of course not, why else do they need to keep people from voting; which mainstream media conveiniently does not cover.

Stonethrower

August 23rd, 2012
9:05 am

Folks love to complain about the “liberal media” but just take a stroll down the AM dial on your radio and wow! What a rush! Polls however don’t really matter. What matters is what party can get their base out to the voting booth on election day and convince those swing voters to come on over.

Adam

August 23rd, 2012
9:05 am

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
9:06 am

Williebkind — “Yeah Joe Biden is greater choice. You make me laugh.”

Laugh all you want, but an experienced Senator is a better choice for the person who chairs the Senate.

Not some functionally-illiterate clothes horse, you betcha.

Welcome to the Occupation

August 23rd, 2012
9:06 am

Steve- USA: “With the new Super-Pac money rules I was kind of expecting some rich people to back a 3rd party candidate”

No. On the contrary. When the people doing most of the organizing are already aligned with one party, in this case the GOP, which they’ve already gone a long way towards taking over, then it only makes sense for them to flex that new muscle not by creating some new party, always an uphill climb in this system, but rather by exerting even more pressure on the party you’re already aligned with to do your bidding. Thus we see Adelson, who has no need for a third party when he can have a political minstrel player like Mitt Romney dancing around to the tune you set. Same with Koch and Rove. These groups already have a party. What they can now do — if they can just keep these second string loons like Akin from blowing it all up — is use all their power to bully the other party and blanket the airwaves with propaganda meant to make the uninformed even more confused and misguided.

Simple Truths

August 23rd, 2012
9:07 am

Recently, Jay has taken a sharp, bitter turn further to the left. He is probably hoping to land more gigs on MSNBC.

kayaker 71

August 23rd, 2012
9:07 am

If “mainstream America” is so enamored with this clown, why do 63% of Americans polled say that the country is headed in the wrong direction? If 42% of the electorate strongly disapprove of Bozo, how do they fit into the “mainstream”?. Are the “mainstream” only Democrats?

Mr. Snarky

August 23rd, 2012
9:08 am

Judging from many of the comments here, many of the knuckledraggers don’t even know where the stream is and are crawling through the desert sustained by their delusion of an oasis of ideological purity over the next hill.

td

August 23rd, 2012
9:08 am

Now can someone please explain what is “American Mainstream”? I would be willing to bet that if 20 posters gave their honest answers there would be 20 different answers.

Jay, this is a non question because it is not a defined term. One more point, this poll has a 9 point Democratic advantage in the sample.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 23rd, 2012
9:08 am

Williebkind

August 23rd, 2012
8:57 am
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

August 23rd, 2012
8:53 am
We prefer communism. After all what party would the communist be accepted.

double piffle

You prefer facism and olegarchy…with a side of theocracy

Mr. Silly Pants.

Mr. Snarky

August 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

“why do 63% of Americans polled say that the country is headed in the wrong direction?” because most people know that the President doesn’t have absolute power and we have a congress and Supreme Court being run by fools.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

Where are the jobs? [...] It seems you have to be liberal and rich to overlook such things.

Without tightwad Goopers running congress, unemployment would be at least a full point lower than it is today.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/05/08/unemployment-rate-without-government-cuts-7-1/

Joe Hussein Mama

August 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

K71 — “If “mainstream America” is so enamored with this clown, why do 63% of Americans polled say that the country is headed in the wrong direction?”

It’s really simple, Kayaker. That 63% is made up of people who think the President has gone too far to the left (in other words, people who probably agree with you on a lot of things) AND people who think he has gone too far to the right (in other words, people you would call “commies.”).

Just because someone thinks the President is going in the wrong direction, that doesn’t mean that they all agree on what the right direction is.

Gordon

August 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

“Fifty-four percent of Americans thought of Obama as within the American mainstream, while 44 percent thought he was not.”

Then we’re screwed. We cannot afford the government Obama (and apparently the majority of American people) wants. This will work itself out in a very painful way.

ty webb

August 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

“Jay, this is a non question because it is not a defined term. One more point, this poll has a 9 point Democratic advantage in the sample.”

great points, TD…but don’t brink them up now…jay’s busy marketing.

Mick

August 23rd, 2012
9:11 am

yaker

Most people with an ounce of common sense know that obama did not create these economic problems, he walked into it. You clowns want to tag the whole shebang on him when it was YOUR party and politicians who put us here. As I recall, clinton left you all with a surplus and the debt on its way to end in a decade. After eight years of republicans, the economic world was near collapse, why should we trust you???

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 23rd, 2012
9:11 am

And by “running” Congress, I actually mean “using the hallowed chamber as a poop-flinging gallery,” @ 9.10. Apologies for the poor choice of words.

Welcome to the Occupation

August 23rd, 2012
9:12 am

I agree with you, td. Up to a point.

“Now can someone please explain what is “American Mainstream”? I would be willing to bet that if 20 posters gave their honest answers there would be 20 different answers.”

The whole thing that’s forgotten, for example by those studies such as the ones that document the lurch to the right of the GOP, is how the move to the right is not just of one party but the political spectrum as a whole. The whole thing has swung right.. And that really makes it much harder to diagnose what’s going on.

independent thinker

August 23rd, 2012
9:12 am

As long as people like Kyle Wingnut keep publishing Karl Rove missives like today’s editorial, there will be a large segment of Americans who believe Obama is a socialist bent on expanding government spending and stealing from the elderly. That is how the extreme right view him and the lies keep coming from the Rove/Limbaugh /Hannity/Wingfield etc. spin machine.

The Washington Post reported in 2005 that the Bush free drug give away known as Medicare Part D would cost over 1.2 billion dollars in ten years with no funding source. Saint Ronald passed the only mandatory socialized medical program in US history called EMTALA for free eemrgency room care costing hospitals billions. Yet the Wingnuts keep perpetuating lies that Obama is the one who has increased the cost of entitlements and health care in particular. Now they are attempting to have it both ways and also claim he is stealing 716 billion from Medicare and Paul Ryan’s mother in particular. This is the epitomy of the Rove indoctrination program for the ignorant sheep. It makes no difference if Obama is mainstream when the brainwashing is funded by the upper class spin machine. Truth went out the window years ago.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 23rd, 2012
9:14 am

There goes yaker with his binary thinking. It’s either left or right. Just like Kahn, he forgets that there’s a Z-axis. (bonus points for obscure reference)

kayaker 71

August 23rd, 2012
9:16 am

Joe, 9:10,

Yea, but you haven’t told us the meaning of the word “is”. That’s called double speak, Joe. Clinton away with it….. you might not be so lucky.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 23rd, 2012
9:17 am

I really hate the new Cheezeburger format but I’ll try…

http://cheezburger.com/6398413568

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 23rd, 2012
9:18 am

Welcome-

I respectfully disagree. There are plenty of rich Republican’s, Democrat’s and Independent’s and right now both parties spread the BS. I was hoping for an alternative to the crap from both sides we presently have.

Paul

August 23rd, 2012
9:18 am

There is a social theory, backed by research, that holds people who label others are perceived by listeners as having those characteristics.

So, when crackpots use crackpot rhetoric to label others as craspots, people perceive the labelers as… crackpots!

Karma.

Jay, did you say today’s your birthday, or was it yesterday and you weren’t celebrating until Mrs. Bookman returned? Either way, happy birthday! And… this one’s for you! (do you like your new title?)

http://tinyurl.com/9vtj764

HM

August 23rd, 2012
9:19 am

Why do I bother reading this claptrap?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 23rd, 2012
9:19 am

RB from Gwinnett

August 23rd, 2012
9:19 am

Mick, “What looks more attractive these days socialism or vulture capitalism or in your case you probably prefer cannibal capitalism where the needs of the few out weigh all of the needs of the many, burp…”

The system we have is what made this the great place it is fool. The system your last sentence prompted is what has made every communist country the dump it is. Take your pick.

Jay

August 23rd, 2012
9:20 am

“Jay, this is a non question because it is not a defined term. One more point, this poll has a 9 point Democratic advantage in the sample.”

That’s right, the poll allows people to use their own definition of mainstream, which is exactly the point. THEY decide what is mainstream, and THEY decide who falls within it.

As to party identification, I’ll note that the most recent Fox News poll — http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-presidential-race/ — also found a nine-point party-identification differential in favor of Democrats among registered voters, 44-35 percent.

As recently as April, Fox found just a one-point differential.

But hey, if saying that makes you feel better, who am I to rain on your parade?

ByteMe - Political thug

August 23rd, 2012
9:20 am

The Washington Post reported in 2005 that the Bush free drug give away known as Medicare Part D would cost over 1.2 billion dollars in ten years with no funding

That doesn’t sound right. 1.2 billion is something like a week or two in Afghanistan.

Jay

August 23rd, 2012
9:22 am

It’s today, Paul, and thank you. And I had to laugh because at some point today, my wife will sing that version of the song to me using her Marilyn voice … it’s a tradition.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 23rd, 2012
9:22 am

kayaker 71

August 23rd, 2012
9:23 am

BytMe, 9:20,

“I will end these wars in the Middle East”. ” One of my first priorities will be to close Guantanamo Bay”. Sound familiar?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 23rd, 2012
9:23 am

“Where are the jobs? Where are the pay increases for those who have jobs?”

the private sector is growing jobs.

if you’re not happy with the pay, talk to the CEOs about not hiring more and not paying better salaries.