Robotics revolution slashing need for human labor

In a story with potentially profound implications,
The New York Times
writes about two Philips Electronics factories, one on the coast of China that employs hundreds of low-wage workers, and another in the Netherlands that employs several dozen. They both produce the same product, but thanks to increasing high-tech robotics, the Netherlands plant does so more efficiently. As the story notes, the robots “do it all without a coffee break — three shifts a day, 365 days a year.”

“This is the future. A new wave of robots, far more adept than those now commonly used by automakers and other heavy manufacturers, are replacing workers around the world in both manufacturing and distribution. Factories like the one here in the Netherlands are a striking counterpoint to those used by Apple and other consumer electronics giants, which employ hundreds of thousands of low-skilled workers….

Many industry executives and technology experts say Philips’s approach is gaining ground on Apple’s. Even as Foxconn, Apple’s iPhone manufacturer, continues to build new plants and hire thousands of additional workers to make smartphones, it plans to install more than a million robots within a few years to supplement its work force in China.

Foxconn has not disclosed how many workers will be displaced or when. But its chairman, Terry Gou, has publicly endorsed a growing use of robots. Speaking of his more than one million employees worldwide, he said in January, according to the official Xinhua news agency: “As human beings are also animals, to manage one million animals gives me a headache.”

The falling costs and growing sophistication of robots have touched off a renewed debate among economists and technologists over how quickly jobs will be lost. This year, Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee, economists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, made the case for a rapid transformation. “The pace and scale of this encroachment into human skills is relatively recent and has profound economic implications,” they wrote in their book, “Race Against the Machine.”

In their minds, the advent of low-cost automation foretells changes on the scale of the revolution in agricultural technology over the last century, when farming employment in the United States fell from 40 percent of the work force to about 2 percent today.

That’s a compelling comparison. The mechanization of agriculture changed the face of the nation, particularly here in the South. The Great Migration of black Americans out of the rural South into places such as Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and later to points west was driven to a significant degree by the introduction of the mechanical cotton picker and other devices, rendering their farm labor useless. For many white workers in Appalachia, mechanization of the coal industry played a similar role.

For decades, America’s growing industrial base absorbed that excess labor, and the nation as a whole transitioned from an agricultural to an industrial economy. But if mechanization is in the process of performing a similar transformation in the industrial world — replacing even the millions of low-wage “animals” now doing that work in China and elsewhere — where does that excess labor turn next for employment?

– Jay Bookman

472 comments Add your comment

Aint that a sham

August 21st, 2012
11:06 am

Thulsa

You are aware that GDP can go up, which would indicate an increase in per capita, but in reality not an increase in wages for the average person, right?

skydog

August 21st, 2012
11:07 am

“You have obviously never been stuck on the robotic Harry Potter ride at Universal.”

No, but automatic forklift chased me around a plant because I had on a reflective safety vest. They use the reflectors as homing devices. Luckly these things move slower than those “night of the living dead” creatures.

Hey, you want a scary movie? Make Night of the living Dead 5. Make it so those zombies can run!

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
11:09 am

the gop adds no abortions for any reason on their platform.

For what it’s worth, these numbskulls have supported the Hunan Larf Amendment (or whatever it’s called) since 2004.

Although I’m fine with the news organizations picking up on this atrocity in 2012.

detritusUSA

August 21st, 2012
11:11 am

Ned Ludd, Ned Ludd where are you? We need you one more time, and more effective this time!

mm

August 21st, 2012
11:12 am

“Economic growth and per capita incomes are generally driven by productivity enhancement,”

I call BS. Between 1979 and 2009, the Economic Policy Institute says, U.S. productivity increased by 80 percent, while the hourly wage of the median worker has only gone up by 10.1 percent.

So nice of the 1% to shower us with trickle down. Oh wait, that’s not money raining down!

Moderate Line

August 21st, 2012
11:12 am

But if mechanization is in the process of performing a similar transformation in the industrial world — replacing even the millions of low-wage “animals” now doing that work in China and elsewhere — where does that excess labor turn next for employment?
++++
I am a little amazed this is news. This has been a gradual process which has veen going on for years.

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:12 am

stands,

True and it looks like the dems are weak again as usual.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 21st, 2012
11:12 am

Won’t someone PLEASE think of the repairmen?

Making a plea for that Maytag repairman? He was laid off. Besides there will be repairbots :D

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 21st, 2012
11:13 am

“where does that excess labor turn next for employment?”

What? No chart?

The answer …………. ban robotics …………. just like the wagon wheel makers almost got Congress to ban some new fangled thing called the “steam engine” because it was putting them out of work.

Aquagirl

August 21st, 2012
11:15 am

automatic forklift chased me around a plant

Can you get a restraining order for a forklift?

Make Night of the living Dead 5. Make it so those zombies can run!

Try the remake of “Dawn of the Dead.” Those zombies make Usain Bolt look lazy.

Aint that a sham

August 21st, 2012
11:15 am

mm

That’s why Thulsa Doom didn’t want to discuss real wages. Per Capita increasing is not a bad thing, however it is not a true indicator of real wages and standard of living.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11480568/1/us-standard-of-living-has-fallen-more-than-50-opinion.html

Trickle down baby, trickle down

Don

August 21st, 2012
11:17 am

If the same or more goods are produced by robots with fewer man-hours of labor, that’s a good thing. Going through the change can be hard, though. A worker can’t expect to work 30 year at the same job anymore -in any industry.

On a global scale, more goods and same number of people = more goods for everyone.

On a micro scale, the number of hours that need to be worked to get one of those goods goes down. This can (and has) been accommodated by a shorter work day, work week, work year.

What people do with their extra time creates new jobs. Recreation, travel, hobbies, sports all expand to fill the void.

The Luddites were wrong.

skydog

August 21st, 2012
11:20 am

“Can you get a restraining order for a forklift?”

Sure can. If corporations are people these things are their kids.

Oscar

August 21st, 2012
11:22 am

They make vacuum cleaners that are automatic. Works on wall to wall carpet. Don’t know how it avoids stings and tie-wires and other small objects.

Welcome to the Occupation

August 21st, 2012
11:24 am

Scout: “ban robotics”

Why nooo, capital won’t have it, you know that.. (I know you were being facetious.)

But seriously, are you naive and utopian enough to think that humanity can continue infinitely along a continuum of technological advance and human impoverishment without some sort of control mechanisms?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
11:25 am

“They make vacuum cleaners that are automatic. Works on wall to wall carpet”

unless they come from Dyson, I don’t wanna know.

(cold dead hands – s’all I’m saying)

ClydeFrog

August 21st, 2012
11:25 am

“What can we do with the uneducated, unmotivated masses? Starving them will not educate or motivate them. Prison is far too expensive. Guess we should just tax the privileged to provide a meager allowance for those unable to work. Free drugs might help, as well.

Does anybody have a better solution?”

++++++++++

I’m guessing those same unemployed hungry masses will come up with a solution of their own, and it won’t be pretty.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
11:25 am

it looks like the dems are weak again as usual.

They’re complete cowards on the issue of reproductive rights. There shouldn’t even BE a “right-to-life” movement; it should’ve been re-defined as the “pro-criminalization movement” thirty freaking years ago, and pushed to the margins where it belongs.

I don’t know who or what the Dems think they’d be alienating by calling a prohibitionist, a prohibitionist; all these morons have managed to do is to make the pleasant-sounding “pro-life” term more appealing over the years.

Erwin's cat

August 21st, 2012
11:26 am

But seriously, are you naive and utopian enough to think that humanity can continue infinitely along a continuum of technological advance and human impoverishment without some sort of control mechanisms?

absolutely…are you really suggesting we regulate innovation?

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:26 am

“Are you saying that after factoring in inflation, per capita income is going up in the last 30 yrs?”

Aint that a sham,

Nope. Purchasing power and real incomes have been stagant or in fact decreasing the past 30 years as has been pointed out several times on here by libs and cons alike. The reason is as you mention inflation. Core inflation is significantly higher than the 2-3% the govt is telling us it is.

I saw an interesting PBS program the other day which largely echoed what I’ve been thinking for awhile now. The real inflation rate according to most economists is really 9-10% if we use the same inflation factors that we used in the 70s. But when you go to the grocery store have you noticed how much coffee, eggs, sugar, meat, peanut butter, and other staples have soared over the past year or 2? A helluva lot more than 2-3% and I’m sure most people have noticed that. But the govt tells us core inflation is only 2-3%? Hogwash.

Inflation is a tax and an eroder of purchasing power. And when you’re printing loads of money which furthers inflation its really just another hidden tax on the people. The govt knows this. Most people don’t.

And why do we keep printing money and why have wages and purchasing power been stagnant or declining for 30 years? We went off the gold standard in 71 because most financial people around the world knew that if our debts were called in that we really didn’t have the gold to back those obligations. So now we have fiat currency- currency backed up by nothing physical. Just the full faith and credit of the govt.

And with massive spending beginning in the 60s on a very expensive war and enormous new govt programs we’ve been printing more money and experiencing an inflationary tax on our incomes ever since then. And this isn’t necessarily a partisan point mind you. In the guns and butter debate the libs are responsible for the enormous social programs we can’t afford and the cons are responsible for the enormous cost of defense and wars we can’t afford. And the pure size and scope of govt spending in the economy.

In any case we have to pay for all this through the printing of money and exponentially increasing money supply and eroding purchasing power and incomes through an inflationary tax. People just haven’t figured this out yet since we’re too busy being distracted by meaningless side issues. And collectively we probably never will. And btw the near collapse in 08 and 09 was only staved off for a short while. The system is still going to crash. Its inevitable.

Mick

August 21st, 2012
11:29 am

**The system is still going to crash. Its inevitable.**

Most likely, yes, then what? Be prepared, be very prepared, I’ve got my plan do you have yours???

skydog

August 21st, 2012
11:30 am

These automatic forklifts are just like the vacuums. They just stop before they “eat” an obstruction.

Oscar

August 21st, 2012
11:30 am

Welcome to the Occupation

August 21st, 2012
11:24 am
_________

Continue infinitely. That’s a long time. We will not need a control mechanism to limit advancement of robot technogoly. Unless the machines become self aware and try to take over and eliminate us. We need to make sure we remain in control of them. Not them in control of us.

Aint that a sham

August 21st, 2012
11:30 am

Thulsa Doom

Thanks for the reply. While per capita in itself is not a bad measurement, it is not a true reflection of what is being experienced in terms of real wages.

I’m with you that it is a great thing when per capita goes up, but it must also be looked at within the context of wages and inflation.

Thanks again

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:32 am

“But seriously, are you naive and utopian enough to think that humanity can continue infinitely along a continuum of technological advance and human impoverishment without some sort of control mechanisms?”

Oh my God. Only in the world of the kook left does technological advancement impoverish people and make society poorer overall. Technological improvement for thousands of years has made life demonstrably better for all- not worse. And particularly in the last 2 centuries of the industrial revolution and the information age have boats been lifted worldwide through technological advancement. Kooks like in an upside down world if they think technological advancement makes society worse off overall. God help us from these people. God help us.

Oscar

August 21st, 2012
11:33 am

Most likely, yes, then what? Be prepared, be very prepared, I’ve got my plan do you have yours???

______

Is your plan similar to the one the charcter that Burt Reynolds played in Deliverence had?

skydog

August 21st, 2012
11:33 am

“Most likely, yes, then what? Be prepared, be very prepared, I’ve got my plan do you have yours???”

Care to let us in on the plan Mick?

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:34 am

Stands,

True and McCaskill’s position is to run against akin because he is scared to lose against the other candidate.

Looks like Reid’s attack on robme’s taxes was the only spine shown from the dems this cycle.

The dems are still too weak.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
11:34 am

dB – 11:25 – damn straight.

they tried to used “anti-choice”, but how wussy does that sound.

pro-criminalization … now you’re talking.

Aint that a sham

August 21st, 2012
11:34 am

Thulsa

Don’t mean to be the conspiracy man, but watch how we not only continue our military presence around the world, despite the need for some degree of cut backs. And I would say regardless of who is in office, we will continue to engage in countries more than we have in the last 30 yrs. On some level or another the Iraqs, Afganistans, Libyas will continue on some level or another.

It wont just be the presence of US forces, but engagement

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 21st, 2012
11:35 am

Welcome to the Occupation :

Ban technology …………. or change the Constitution so that all Representatives, Senators and the President have to be robots (the V.P. already is) !

Got to run. Everyone be nice.

mm

August 21st, 2012
11:35 am

Only the GOP could be stupid enough to have their convention in Tampa during hurricane season. And right on cue, a storm has formed and it’s tracking toward FL.

USMC

August 21st, 2012
11:36 am

“Robotics revolution slashing need for human labor”–Jay Bookman

Yeah, and don’t forget what Obama said…
“Coke machines and ATMs are taking jobs away from workers too.”

LOL!

ps-don’t forget to inflate your tires! :-)

Oscar

August 21st, 2012
11:37 am

Most likely, yes, then what? Be prepared, be very prepared, I’ve got my plan do you have yours???

________

My plan is to go down with the ship, if it goes down.. I’m not going anywhere.

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:39 am

She not he.

My bad.

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:40 am

Aint that a sham,

I think that vast increases in our technology have made life incredibly more pleasurable. Even the poor amongst us have air conditioning, decent square footage of living space, modern conveniences, electronics, material comforts that people a mere 50 years ago couldn’t have imagined etc. But I think that like you and I are talking about that despite the material advances that technology has given us that other real income and purchasing power gains have been eroded significantly by unseen inflation.

What’s interesting is that many of us have great grandparents that somehow raised numerous kids on what today would be low wage, unskilled jobs and did it in a time when wives stayed home. My grandpap raised 14 kids on a coal miner’s salary with a wife who stayed at home. I’m certain that if many of us think about it that we have numerous grandparents and great grandparents that raised whole families on one income in jobs that makes you wonder how they did that. That can’t be done today without govt assistance. Why? I think its because of inflationary pressures on real wages and declining purchasing power. JMDO though.

Aquagirl

August 21st, 2012
11:41 am

Care to let us in on the plan Mick?

I hope it’s not like this guy’s plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qth1k962_9A

Joe Hussein Mama

August 21st, 2012
11:42 am

Skydog — “Hey, you want a scary movie? Make Night of the living Dead 5. Make it so those zombies can run!”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_days_later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_(TV_series)

skydog

August 21st, 2012
11:43 am

“My plan is to go down with the ship, if it goes down.. I’m not going anywhere.”

My favorite Hunter S. Thompson quote.

“Believe in God, but row away from the rocks”

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:43 am

In a globalization market, workers need to travel where the jobs are.

So get a passbook and get to China.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
11:44 am

pro-criminalization … now you’re talking.

and I can tell you, those who are passionate “pro-lifers” do NOT like being called that.

Why Democrats don’t bait them every day of the week and twice on Sundays, so that these prohibitionists lose their sh-t and say stupid stuff that’ll turn off about 80% of the voting public, I cannot even fathom.

Oscar

August 21st, 2012
11:45 am

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:40 am

________

My parents were raised in house without electricty or indoor plumbing. They had a well for water. They grew their on food and sold some produce to buy cloth that they sewed into the clothes they wore, or made clothes. Nothing to spend money on if they had any money. Kids worked to raise the food they ate.
Different life back then.

Peadawg

August 21st, 2012
11:46 am

“Make it so those zombies can run!”

Zombies are soo easy to defend against. Just put treadmills all around your house.

RB from Gwinnett

August 21st, 2012
11:46 am

“where does that excess labor turn next for employment?”

Same place they are now, Jay, the ballot box. As long a they can vote themselves a living from the public treasury, problem solved. For them anyway. And they’ll have you cheering them on all the way to the polls.

Tell me though, what’s going to happen when the illegals start getting the same freebies our “less fortunate” get and figure out its a lot easier thuan actually working for the same money…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
11:47 am

THULSA,

Right on regarding printing of money and it’s profound effect on purchasing power and cost of goods…I recently bought a jar of Jif which cost almost $5. I feel the printing of money combined with continued soaring deficit will result at some point in our foreign bond holders calling bonds but won’t accept currency as payback…they will want gold..Game over.

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:48 am

“Don’t mean to be the conspiracy man, but watch how we not only continue our military presence around the world, despite the need for some degree of cut backs. And I would say regardless of who is in office, we will continue to engage in countries more than we have in the last 30 yrs.”

Aint it a sham,

I don’t disagree with that. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but if people believe that there is a military industrial complex that keeps military spending and wars going on a cyclical basis then I won’t argue with them. The evidence is clear that it seems like we are in a war at least every 17 years and the fact of the matter is that Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex. A ton of private contractors made piles of dough in Afgh and Iraq.

I saw a report from soldiers in the field saying that if we really wanted to win in Afgh we could have solved the problem overnight by hiring every Afghan man there to do infrastructure work. They can’t fight if they are busy earning a paycheck. The amount of money spent on private U.S. companies to do all kinds of stuff over there is unGodly. That money sure doesn’t go to the soldiers.

And last on that point is that while I’m very pro military frankly I’m sick and tired of paying to defend Germany with 36 U.S. bases over there. Let the Europeans pay for their own damn defense. Screw em.

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:50 am

At least our President is fighting back.

romney took a position against the gop platform and excepts abortion after rape.

Doggone/GA

August 21st, 2012
11:51 am

getalife – did you mean “accepts”?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
11:52 am

STANDS,

I’m pro choice. My challenge to those who are pro-life is this: If the churches et al will build and service loving homes for the 1.3 million or so unwanted kids then they can pop off all they want…since that will never happen I wish they would take their particular scripture and tax free money and stay out of the picture..

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:52 am

Stevie Ray,

Yep. You hit the nail on the head. If foreign govts called in our bonds and debt tomorrow it would start a precipitous collapse. There’s really nothing tangible backing our money and the only thing that really gives it value is just its perceived value relative to other fiat currencies. And the perception of our currency is going to continously drop as we get driven deeper and deeper in debt.

Customer Service

August 21st, 2012
11:52 am

where does that excess labor turn next for employment?

_____

Most of the jobs will probably be workers in the U.S. that will be sitting at home taking orders from China and India!!

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:53 am

rb,

The romney campaign made the same mistake as our President.

They predict a growth rate of 4 % and adding 15 million jobs.

skydog

August 21st, 2012
11:54 am

My job offers right now are Afghanistan or Mongolia.

I chose this.

http://www.reverbnation.com/theslydogband

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
11:55 am

GETALIFE,

Not defending Romney but we ultimately need a moderate president and congress…of course, until we get private money out of DC et al, Obama, Romney and all other elected idiots will see such comprise as political suicide…void of courage..

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
11:57 am

If the churches et al will build and service loving homes for the 1.3 million or so unwanted kids then they can pop off all they want…

That’s a nice-sounding hypothetical, but I’d rather advocate from a position of a) sound public policy and b) individual civil rights, myself.

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:57 am

SR,

Our President is a moderate and reached too many times.

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:57 am

Oscar,

Yep. Lots of stories like that. My mom grew up with 14 other siblings in a coal town where grandpap and all my uncles went to work in the mines. A typical Christmas for her was a pair of mittens and an orange.

I had a good conversation with my gf’s grandmother the other day. This is out here in the country near Athens- Oconee county. The way she was raised her mom died and dad still provided for all of them. She had to drop out of 3rd grade to go to work in the fields picking cotton with her 3 sisters and brother. She said they had shoes, clothes, a roof over their head, and food to eat. Nothing more after that and no money for entertainment or the frivolties of life that we now take for granted. Yes indeed. It was a different time. Kids nowadays ought to talk to old timers to appreciate and realize just how good they got it. And not just kids but us adults.

getalife

August 21st, 2012
11:57 am

reached out..

Thulsa Doom

August 21st, 2012
11:58 am

Ya”ll have fun. Doomy got appts this afternoon.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
11:59 am

“and I can tell you, those who are passionate “pro-lifers” do NOT like being called that.”

heh. that’s just a bonus.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
11:59 am

Thulsa,

Hate to say it but Ross Perot and the Doctor from Texas had it right….before long, I will have to eliminate peanut butter from my diet….Its funny how it seems the average cost for an item in the grocery store is $3.99…just my observation.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 21st, 2012
11:59 am

There’s only one guy here who does that, and I assume it’s just because he walked in on Mamma earning her pay with a Slave-Princess Leia fetishist a few decades back.

Oh, snap!

getalife

August 21st, 2012
12:00 pm

I think our President made a gaffe (spoke the truth) when he said it might take another President after his second term for our economy to boom again.

WWII saved our country from the last depression so……….

Bernie

August 21st, 2012
12:01 pm

I wonder how long it will take for those AJC, Editorial Robots to arrive? Oops! I forgot
one is already HERE. Kyle Wingfield! :)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
12:01 pm

“If the churches et al will build and service loving homes for the 1.3 million or so unwanted kids then they can pop off all they want…

That’s a nice-sounding hypothetical, but I’d rather advocate from a position of a) sound public policy and b) individual civil rights, myself.”

don’t know if you heard the latest, but Pat Robertson is actually (if unintentionally) discouraging adoption “you never know if the kid could turn out weird”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhyJpLIpRVA

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
12:01 pm

GETALIFE,

I do not believe that obama nor Romney will be any different….Obama certainly didn’t seek GOP input into healthcare. I think they are all the same…it’s easy to feign reputation for compromise but whether driven by concern of campaign cash or simply a ruse, I don’t see any difference.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 21st, 2012
12:03 pm

SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

Peadawg

August 21st, 2012
12:04 pm

“Obama certainly didn’t seek GOP input into healthcare”

Nope. He just used Romneycare as a f’ing model.

:roll:

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
12:04 pm

USNUK

With you 100% my proposition is pure fantasy of course….All the hubub about abortion and gay rights is silly to me as we have much bigger fish to fry…it’s not like the 95% of committed voters will change votes as result of either candidates position.. I’m all for gay marriage and abortion but nothing that happens in this election relative to these issues will change down the road….

Michael

August 21st, 2012
12:06 pm

mm- It doesn’t matter where the republicans have their convention. In 2008 they prayed for it to rain on Obama’s acceptance speech in Denver. In response two hurricanes hit the US during the republican convention in Minneapolis. Then, just to make sure it was understood clearly, two more hurricanes hit the US the following week.
I wondered whether God had a sense of humor, or whether He/She didn’t like being called on a political prayer line.

n

August 21st, 2012
12:07 pm

Perhaps, or perhaps not, In the realm of fantasy:
I sort of like the idea of having some kind of computer chip (or the organic equivalent) implanted or grown in the human brain. That way all human knowledge which exists in the cloud/universe can be “googled” (accessed instantly) by every individual at will. No more need for computers. Or schools. We can have brains with access to infinite gigabytes of information. Then we can focus on the new frontiers of exploration: science, new energy sources, space, time, cosmic travel, etc. The human race has always needed frontiers. Without frontiers we go crazy. We can fully employ ourselves exploring the universe instead of fighting & killing each other.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
12:07 pm

don’t know if you heard the latest, but Pat Robertson is actually (if unintentionally) discouraging adoption “you never know if the kid could turn out weird”

Good God. “A man doesn’t want to take on the United Nations.”

independent thinker

August 21st, 2012
12:07 pm

So any of the cons here going to explain how Willard is going to create 12 million new jobs?
-caring for all those unwanted children once all abortions are outlawed;
-handling the retraining of workers who have been outsourced by Bain and other vulture capitalists;
-printers to keep the phony dollar bills circulating;
-building car elevators;
-high school students employed as part time janitors;
-teaching dressage;
-accountants who will be working on creative tax shelters and new types of exploding derivatives ;
-creating a 600 ship Navy like Reagan did and retrofitting obsolete warships like the USS Wisconsin;
Any other ideas?????????????

Aint that a sham

August 21st, 2012
12:08 pm

Stevie @ 12:04

While the 95% you speak about may not change their mind, the people they help elect and the judges they appoint will surely have an impact on the issues you mentioned as well as others in the years to come.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
12:09 pm

And it’s not that he’s discouraging adoption, UnU–what he’s saying to women is that once you’ve adopted some “weird” kid, you best not let your husband get away under any circumstances–cheerfully submit even if he’s abusing you, knowhatimsayin’?–because the man-pool you’ll be dipping in post-divorce won’t want you and your abnormal family.

Robertson really is the gift that goes on giving. Don’t ever die, Pat.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
12:09 pm

PEADOG,

Not sure what using Romneys approved MA plan has to do with allowing input into this abortion of a bill. My feeling is that what may work in one state does not remotely mean it is good on a national level….this bill as is will be a complete disaster for taxpayers, currently insured as well as the medical profession.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
12:09 pm

MiltonMan

August 21st, 2012
12:10 pm

“answer – No, silly. There are no cons in the future.”

Georgia is going to go back to being blue??? Keep dreaming Kasim Reed.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
12:11 pm

“you best not let your husband get away under any circumstances–cheerfully submit even if he’s abusing you, knowhatimsayin’?–because the man-pool you’ll be dipping in post-divorce won’t want you and your abnormal family.”

yeah, because everyone knows that single wimmen with a load of “natural” children have NO problem reeling the men in …

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
12:11 pm

In case anyone was lurking here and reading our resident goldbugs goin’ at it…

No country currently uses the gold standard as the basis of its monetary system

getalife

August 21st, 2012
12:12 pm

“Obama certainly didn’t seek GOP input into healthcare.”

Yes, he did and the mandate was hatched by the newt.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
12:12 pm

SHAM,

Don’t disagree…did you ever notice how when the SCOTUS goes in my favor they are awesome and when they go against me that are clearly political activists? Seems to me that the more time that passes, at least the abortion issue will be difficult to change….

Peadawg

August 21st, 2012
12:12 pm

“Not sure what using Romneys approved MA plan has to do with allowing input”

Of course you don’t. Y’all can repeat the lie about Obama not getting the GOP’s input all you want…doesn’t make it true.

I do agree with you on your last sentence though.

Tundra Dude

August 21st, 2012
12:13 pm

it (Foxconn) plans to install more than a million robots within a few years to supplement its work force in China.

Wonder why they’d bother, when the human labor cost is only $5-6.00 for a product selling for hundreds in the US.

Matti

August 21st, 2012
12:13 pm

I think our misogynist would-be oppressors like Todd Akin, Paul Ryan, and their sad, red-faced, flaccid little group of defenders on here should pool their money and invest in a robotic gestation machine factory.

YES! Let’s have machines gestate the dividing cells a women does not want in her womb for whatever reason. BETTER YET: Let’s let these dominating, cowardly creeps who need to oppress women to feel better about themselves just have sex with machines in the first place!

Gentlemen: Don’t waste your seed on a woman who might not obey you forever and ever, whether you’re there or not. Machines can do that for you now. Halle-LUUUUUU-jah! Can I get a A-Men?

Aint that a sham

August 21st, 2012
12:13 pm

stevie

agreed

Both sides do it all the time

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 21st, 2012
12:14 pm

he lost me at mac and cheese

Can’t wait to let Mrs. sfd know she’s cookin’ soul food, next time that’s the plat du jour…

getalife

August 21st, 2012
12:14 pm

SR,

Did you even watch the healthcare debate on C-Span?

Joe Hussein Mama

August 21st, 2012
12:14 pm

USinUK — “don’t know if you heard the latest, but Pat Robertson is actually (if unintentionally) discouraging adoption “you never know if the kid could turn out weird”

My wife showed me that over the weekend. I couldn’t believe it.

So it seems that the broader social conservative position is this:

Don’t have sex
Don’t use birth control
Don’t even TALK about birth control in public or put it on shelves where little hands and eyes might inspect it
The female sex drive is an ugly thing and must be prayed out of existence
The male sex drive is just a nuisance and is completely the fault of females
If you have sex, it’s all your fault and the consequences are your problem
If you’re raped, it’s all your fault and the consequences are your problem
There’s rape, and then there’s forcible rape
The difference is none of your business
No abortions for anybody ever
If you will die without an abortion, you’re not getting an abortion
Criminalizing abortion somehow leads to greater freedom and smaller government
And PROFIT!!!
Stop thinking about sex and get back to work
Or read your bible

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...

August 21st, 2012
12:16 pm

GETALIFE/PEADAWG,

The healthcare bill was done behind closed doors and rammed down our throats without bi-partisan debate. Remember we weren’t allowed to know what was in it till it passed? I don’t know the answer to this but did Romney have a hand in crafting MA healthcare bill or did he simply sign it to avoid street riots:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 21st, 2012
12:18 pm

I have found that those who complain the most about having something rammed down their throats are the same ones who will swallow anything.

That Black Guy

August 21st, 2012
12:19 pm

mm

August 21st, 2012
11:35 am
Only the GOP could be stupid enough to have their convention in Tampa during hurricane season. And right on cue, a storm has formed and it’s tracking toward FL.
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Yeah. ONLY the GOP has been stoopid enough to hold their convention in FL during hurricane season.

1972 Democratic National Convention
Convention Center, Miami FL
July 10 – 13

South Florida’s Comic Book, Anime, Animation, Video Game, Fantasy, Sci-Fi and Pop Culture Convention is JUNE 29 – JULY 2, 2012

METROCON 2012 – YEAR 10. FLORIDA’S LARGEST ANIME CONVENTION! June 15 – 17, 2012. Tampa Convention Center, Tampa, FL

AIA Florida 2012 Annual Convention
The Breakers Palm Beach, July 19-22.

Sat, Sep 15 Building Wealth, Health & Business Expo – Orlando Country
Thu, Oct 4 First Floridians: First Americans Conference – Monticello
Sun, Oct 7 ACM International Conference On … – Orlando Country

The 120th Annual Convention of the American Psychological Association will be held August 2-5, 2012, in Orlando, Florida

There are more…

RB from Gwinnett

August 21st, 2012
12:19 pm

Independant, “So any of the cons here going to explain how Willard is going to…”

We’ll do that right after you tell us what Obama HAS done about any of this things since he HAS been in a position to do so for nearly 4 years. We look forward to your reply.

MiltonMan

August 21st, 2012
12:19 pm

“So any of the cons here going to explain how Willard is going to create 12 million new jobs?
-caring for all those unwanted children once all abortions are outlawed;
-handling the retraining of workers who have been outsourced by Bain and other vulture capitalists;
-printers to keep the phony dollar bills circulating;
-building car elevators;
-high school students employed as part time janitors;
-teaching dressage;
-accountants who will be working on creative tax shelters and new types of exploding derivatives ;
-creating a 600 ship Navy like Reagan did and retrofitting obsolete warships like the USS Wisconsin;
Any other ideas?????????????”

Good God liberal logic proudly on display. Outlawing abortions??? Clueless one, it was a supreme court decision that allowed for this. Name one law signed by a president that overturned a SC decision.

deegee

August 21st, 2012
12:19 pm

I saw this in Georgia back around 1994. I installed a computer system in a factory near LaGrange that had some of the most sophisticated robotic machines in use. There were very few people operating the production line. The car manufacturers have been using robots to paint cars for years.

Here’s the employment opportunity for us. Robots don’t design themselves. They need to be engineered, manufactured, installed and maintained. The people that can perform these skilled jobs will be in demand.

In the past, American corporations invested their profits into training their workforce to do specialized work. They stopped doing that around the 1980s. They expected the military and the public school system to train their workers. At the same time American corporations started to look around the world for cheaper labor and a market for their goods. They found it in Asia. Now they are training the Asians to do these jobs while building a middle class that has the disposable income to purchase their products.

We need a 5 year plan and a 10 year plan for investing our tax dollars into educating our workforce so that they can perform skilled work.

getalife

August 21st, 2012
12:19 pm

SR,

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I watched the debate.

You bought the rw bs.

Welcome to the Occupation

August 21st, 2012
12:21 pm

Thulsa Doom, you sound like your romanticizing hardship and difficulty as something that would not be so bad to return to.

But why would you want to and why would you want it for others?

Besides, the material comforts you mention are all contingent on a consumer economy that ultimately will have to be restored through a renewed social contract, which right now has been canceled and crushed because of the ongoing class war – a near-civil war – of capital against the people.

Pyschedelic Relic

August 21st, 2012
12:21 pm

Wasn’t it in the Dune book series where, in the future, computers had been outlawed because they displaced the role of people? This sounds uncomfortably like that.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 21st, 2012
12:21 pm

“Can’t wait to let Mrs. sfd know she’s cookin’ soul food, next time that’s the plat du jour…”

I know … I was shocked, I tell you, to find out I’m black!!

Orange12

August 21st, 2012
12:21 pm