Todd Akin, rape, and the politics of abortion

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”
– U.S. Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri, GOP nominee for U.S. Senate

Right now, Todd Akin is not particularly popular among his fellow Republicans, many of whom are rushing to condemn him and even urging him to abandon his race for the U.S. Senate. That harsh criticism is motivated in part because of honest disagreement with what he said, and in part because he has opened up an area of discussion that the Republican Party wants to avoid at all costs.

Let’s deal first with Akins’ false claim that the female body has some self-protection mechanism that allows it to fend off fertilization in cases of “legitimate rape” (see note below)*. There is no biological basis for that claim, and medical research indicates that more than 30,000 women a year become pregnant each year in this country as a result of rape. The fact that Akins believes otherwise is further proof that the reproductive rights of women should not be determined by men who have no earthly idea what they’re talking about.

Like others who have made similar claims in the past, Akins believes that abortion ought to be banned even in cases of rape and incest. In the past few years, that has become an increasingly mainstream position within the Republican Party and in the right-to-life movement. In an advisory question in the Georgia GOP primary last month, two-thirds of Republican voters backed a so-called “personhood” measure calling for government protection of “all “human life from its earliest biological beginning,” regardless of how it began. Vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan is also on record in support of the personhood movement and wants to ban abortion in every case except when the life of the mother is at stake.

Mitt Romney’s position is less clear. In some settings, especially during the GOP primary, he has seemed to endorse the personhood movement, but he refused to sign a pledge to that effect. He has said repeatedly that he believes life begins at the moment of conception, but his official position is that abortion ought to be legal in cases of rape or incest.

He has also said that he believes that such matters should be left to the states if Roe v. Wade is overturned, but he has also said that if given the chance as president to sign a bill barring all abortions nationwide, “I would be delighted to sign that bill.”

Given that history of equivocation — not to mention Romney’s previous transition from a pro-choice stance — American women would be foolish to look to a President Romney as any sort of bulwark against those in his own party who would ban abortion in all circumstances other than to save the life of the mother. Even on this most basic of issues, he has no apparent core of personal belief that he isn’t willing to surrender for political gain.

– Jay Bookman

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* To a degree, Akin is being slammed unfairly for an unfortunate choice of words. His term “legitimate rape” is being twisted by some into a suggestion that some forms of rape are OK, and that’s clearly not what he meant. He was trying to draw a distinction between rape and cases in which women might claim to have been raped in order to qualify for an abortion. Of course, that attempted distinction creates problems of its own, largely because it suggests that only the most brutal form of rape — inflicted at gunpoint or after a physical beating — constitutes “real” rape.

853 comments Add your comment

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:21 pm

“To a degree, Akin is being slammed unfairly for an unfortunate choice of words. His term “legitimate rape” is being twisted by some into a suggestion that some forms of rape are OK, and that’s clearly not what he meant”

to a degree, I agree. That was how I heard it also. I read it as a differentiation between a rape and a CLAIM of a rape.

Mick

August 20th, 2012
3:28 pm

Well, well, the chickens come home to roost…

East Lake Ira

August 20th, 2012
3:29 pm

Akin will withdraw soon as he realizes he can do more for America as a “voice outside Government.”

Translation, he’s up for a lobbying gig with various RTL groups.

the cat

August 20th, 2012
3:29 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
3:29 pm

Cheesy Grits

August 20th, 2012
3:30 pm

If you make abortion illegal you will not stop one abortion in this country.

You will just push it underground and the criminals will take it over.

Back alley clinics will pop up and the rich will just go overseas.

Its better where it is. Out in the light.

Potential mothers can be counseled and offered other avenues such as adoption.

No one who is pro-choice ( such as myself ) is pro-abortion. I wish it didn’t happen. Unfortunately it does and we have to deal with it as a society.

Educate kids on sex and condoms. Trash the abstinence programs ( which don’t work. Newsflash kids are going to have sex. They might as well have a condom on ) and watch the unwanted pregnancies go down.

Making abortion illegal will have the same effect prohibition had. It wont stop it. It will just make it a lot more dangerous.

rivercard

August 20th, 2012
3:31 pm

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

No equivocating or excuse making can explain this away.

At some point we have to recognize that there is no cooperating with the factually challenged segment of our society.

CJ

August 20th, 2012
3:31 pm

The thing to remember about these “personhood” amendments is that they would allow state legislatures to ban certain types of birth control methods–including the pill–and allow state legislatures to ban in-vitro fertilization (my wife is pregnant with our first child, conceived through IVF).

This is what Romney and Ryan have indicated support for and what Republicans are fighting for.

East Lake Ira

August 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

Fang is crying somewhere…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

Akin is toast.

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

“In the past few years, that has become an increasingly mainstream position within the Republican Party and in the right-to-life movement.”

You will have to do a bit more that cite GA statistics to prove this. I don’t know any conservatives who argue that abortion shouldn’t be allowed in instances of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life. But I challenge you, Jay, to write a column defending abortions out of convenience – which make up by far the majority of all abortions performed in America. Liberals clamor about people like Akin but all they can say with respect to my point is “ain’t it a shame”.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 20th, 2012
3:33 pm

CJ

Congrats!

Nice Guy

August 20th, 2012
3:33 pm

Yawn. More predictable commentary from one Jay Bookman.

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:34 pm

“You will have to do a bit more that cite GA statistics to prove this. I don’t know any conservatives who argue that abortion shouldn’t be allowed in instances of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life”

Paul Ryan

Peter

August 20th, 2012
3:35 pm

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

White Republican males………. Please what would you expect ? Really are there any more intolerant bunch ?

King of Everything

August 20th, 2012
3:35 pm

Oy vey! Another elected half-wit. And we wonder why nothing gets done in Congress. I wonder if Akin also believes it is possible for a husband to rape his wife, or that is what he considers illegitimate rape?

That Black Guy

August 20th, 2012
3:35 pm

Sorry, off Topic.

Bernie, in case you missed it downstairs.
_________________________________
Bernie

August 20th, 2012
1:59 pm
That Black Guy @1:47 pm – Whats is the going Salary rate for being a UNCLE TOM? – $73,000 per yr + BONUS if I can get some jackhole to actually call me an *Uncle Tom* in 2012.

You must be paid pretty good…..to hold such an endearing position. – Yes it is. And seeing how last week I wasn’t even Black in *YOUR* eyes, I’d say the sky is unlimited.

Do they provide healthcare coverage and insurance too? – No, I’m on Obamacare like everyone else (PLEASE tell me you’re not on the *death panel).

just wondering, because you play the role so well. – I am serious about my work.

There certainly NO shame in your game …so you must BE drawing a CHECK! – Why YES. I do draw a check. Two as a matter of fact. One from the Uncle Tom Foundation Outreach (UTFO) and the other from Don’t Upset Moronic Bernie’s Fragile Understanding Club (DUMBFUC).

Those Knee pads you always wear, are they any good? Not that I am interested in any for myself….:) – According to your Facebook page, you enjoy RAW knees.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 20th, 2012
3:36 pm

He said he “misspoke”.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
3:36 pm

In 1973, the Supreme Court wisely established that a woman had a right to terminate any pregnancy in the first trimester for ANY reason.

A majority of Americans support this decision.

http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm

Those who don’t can get the Constitution amended if they want to change the status quo.

That’s about all I can say about this without getting red-carded.

Cheesy Grits

August 20th, 2012
3:37 pm

But I challenge you, Jay, to write a column defending abortions out of convenience – which make up by far the majority of all abortions performed in America.

Making it illegal wont stop them. It unfortunate but we have a choice.

Clean clinics were mothers can be counseled. Adoption offered etc.

Or dumpster babies, clothes hangers, and back alley clinics.

I choose clean clinics.

King of Everything

August 20th, 2012
3:37 pm

And Willard Romney totally misread the whole Generic Republican candidate vs Obama thing.

Gale

August 20th, 2012
3:38 pm

Cheesy Grits, I could not say it better.

“personhood” amendments are simply avenues to controlling women, IMO.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

August 20th, 2012
3:39 pm

Abortion = Murder

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:39 pm

Matti

August 20th, 2012
3:39 pm

Becker and his thugs will be parroting Akins’ garbage logic during the next legislative session in Georgia. They’ll be pushing “personhood,” and — since they did SO well last year with their threats and bullying — they’ll be exercising their dirty, strong-arm tactics again. You don’t think those databases with the doctors’ home addresses just disappeared on accident, do you? Or those clinics set fire to themselves?

To them I say: American women? You’re pushing ’round AMERICAN women? You’ve MET us, right? Bless their tiny, pea-sized, flaccid little hearts.

Steve Atl

August 20th, 2012
3:39 pm

Jay is always looking for an angle to slam Romney…

Tomorrows blog will be about President Obama taking $1 million dollars from Bill Maher who calls American women in general and VP candidates the C-word and how that can be extrapolated out to Obama “having a core of personal belief that denigrates women for any and all campaign $$$”.

Stay tuned for tomorrow’s blog…

CJ

August 20th, 2012
3:39 pm

RE: “I don’t know any conservatives who argue that abortion shouldn’t be allowed in instances of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.”

Any? Todd Akin is currently a Republican congressman. That’s one (you said “any”).

Paul Ryan is another. He is against exceptions for rape and incest, and is against exceptions to save the mother’s life in late-term abortions. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/17/barack-obama/obama-says-ryan-supports-banning-all-abortions/

Mitt Romney is another. He “absolutely” supports personhood amendments which would give the states the authority to ban abortions in instances of rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother.

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

” But I challenge you, Jay, to write a column defending abortions out of convenience – which make up by far the majority of all abortions performed in America”

and I challenge you to prove that “by far the majority” of all abortions performed in America are for convenience only.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

August 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

Liberals hate kids, otherwise they would want to kill them for the benefit of their own selfish gain.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

Towncrier

Paul Ryan

ByteMe - Political thug

August 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

And Willard Romney totally misread the whole Generic Republican candidate vs Obama thing.

Romney’s trying to be “generic”. In fact, down-right malleable, fungible, and even play-doh-like.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

By the way, most of the rape victims who attempt to have a legally funded abortion under Medicaid, are denied.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/09/30/140962216/on-anniversary-of-funding-ban-even-allowed-abortions-often-go-unpaid-for?ft=1&f=1001

(Aren’t you extra-proud to be an American right about now?)

Joe Hussein Mama

August 20th, 2012
3:41 pm

Towncrier — “I don’t know any conservatives who argue that abortion shouldn’t be allowed in instances of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.”

Mike Huckabee, two out of three.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mike_Huckabee#Abortion

I don’t know where Rick Santorum comes down with respect to the life of the mother exception, but he’s also opposed to birth control.

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:41 pm

“Making it illegal wont stop them.”

So…should we legalize heroin on the same grounds? Theft? Murder?

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:42 pm

“So…should we legalize heroin on the same grounds?”

Yes

” Theft? Murder?”

No

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

August 20th, 2012
3:42 pm

http://women.webmd.com/tc/abortion-reasons-women-choose-abortion

Top 3 reasons for abortion:

Birth control (contraceptive) failure. Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.2
Inability to support or care for a child.
To end an unwanted pregnancy.

Sounds like convenience to me…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 20th, 2012
3:43 pm

Mitt Romney’s position is less clear.

Hey, I didn’t see that one coming…..

kayaker 71

August 20th, 2012
3:43 pm

There is virtually nothing that Akin can say to wiggle out of this one. And if he drops out of the race, McKaskill will most certainly retain her seat. We go from a state that we have a good chance of winning to a state, that if the present Senator is re-elected, could provide a controlling majority in the Senate. What a dumbass!!

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:43 pm

I like the logic of ’since people will break the law, we should make that law legal’

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:44 pm

“Birth control (contraceptive) failure. Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant”

If OVER HALF occured because of a contraception failure, then it is, at best inaccurate (actually, it’s a lie), to say “by far the majority” are for conveniece. “Over half” IS the majority.

Math – it’s a good thing

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 20th, 2012
3:44 pm

Towncrier

I learned a lesson early….always read ALL of what you link to…

“The only anti-abortion exception Ryan favors is situations where an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. The National Right to Life Committee concurs, based on information the group says it collected in 1998 and 2000 from Ryan as a candidate.”

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
3:44 pm

King of Everything

August 20th, 2012
3:44 pm

The truth is the GOP doesn’t want to overturn Roe v Wade because they would have 1 less issue to rile up the base.

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:45 pm

““I don’t know any conservatives who argue that abortion shouldn’t be allowed in instances of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.”

I don’t “know” Ryan, Huckabee or any other politician. I was speaking of people I know, who elect such men to office.

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:45 pm

“I like the logic of ’since people will break the law, we should make that law legal’”

Worked for liquor

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 20th, 2012
3:46 pm

Todd Akin, helping to keep the Senate blue!

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
3:46 pm

“I don’t “know” Ryan, Huckabee or any other politician”

Then the qualifier “personally” belonged in there somewhere.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

Sounds like convenience to me…

So?

Abortion is a legal procedure so it can’t be murder.

Jay

August 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

Crier, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry all signed the personhood pledge. A personhood amendment sponsored by Georgia’s own Paul Broun has 64 co-sponsors, including Paul Ryan, Todd Akin and, from Georgia, Phil Gingrey, Jack Kingston and Lynn Westmoreland.

The legislation states that “the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.” It contains no exception for rape or incest.

In addition, your blithely phrased “abortion of convenience” might look quite a bit different to you if you were a 16-year-old newly pregnant girl. That might seem a little more than a mere convenience, I would think.

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

Murder > Liquor

Matti

August 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

????? WTF is convenient about having an abortion ?????

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

Akins’ views are mainstream on the right.

True. The big deal is the possibility that some fence sitters will be saying “I can’t vote for this hog wash.”

Fearful!

August 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

Thank you Jay
Cheesy Grits @3:30 – very well written.
I truly do want to hear how the conservative side is going to spin this one. I really do.

kayaker 71

August 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

Doggone, 3:40,

According to the CDC and numerous other organizations (admittedly, most of them conservative), close to 92% of abortions performed in this country every year are for “societal reasons”, which translates to birth control. So, if 1.27M abortions are performed in this country every year, you figure it out. That’s a bunch of potential citizens headed to the dumpster…… every year.

Cheesy Grits

August 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

I don’t “know” Ryan, Huckabee or any other politician. I was speaking of people I know, who elect such men to office.

They are just the leaders of your party.

But nobody else in that party believes as they do .

LOL

CJ

August 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

That’s funny, Towncrier…we have the same link.

Notice that Obama said that Romney would ban all abortions, but Politifact points out that Ryan would ban all abortions except early-term abortions where the life of the mother is at risk. Rape? Incest? Life of mother in late-term abortions? If it were up to Ryan, they would be banned. That’s what it says in YOUR link.

What Politifact dismissed is that Ryan supports personhood amendments that would allow state legislatures to ban even early-term abortions where the life of the mother is at risk. So, he has essentially taken both sides of the issue.

Note that the press gets confused when a politician takes both sides of an issue. For example, if Romney is accused of opposing issue A, then a fact checker can find a quote where he indicated support for issue A. On the other hand, if Romney is accused of supporting issue A, then a fact checker cam find a quote we he indicated that he opposes issue A.

These fact checkers have shown that they don’t know how to handle it when a politician contradicts himself. On this issue, they’re giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt by ignoring his support for personhood amendments.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/17/barack-obama/obama-says-ryan-supports-banning-all-abortions/

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:48 pm

“In addition, your blithely phrased “abortion of convenience” might look quite a bit different to you if you were a 16-year-old newly pregnant girl. That might seem a little more than a mere convenience, I would think.”

Really? Because I knew a pregnant 16 yr old girl once, her son is now 21 and serving in the military…
Oh but he wasn’t a real human. I’ll be sure to let him know, I am sure it will come as a surprise.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 20th, 2012
3:49 pm

L. Chicks — “Sounds like convenience to me…”

The reason’s irrelevant. Women are within their rights to seek an abortion for any reason whatsoever.

They’re under no obligation to satisfy your discomfort issues in order to have one.

zeke

August 20th, 2012
3:49 pm

as i understand it, granted no expert, the personhood stuff would ban in vitro. and the majority of tolks even in missippi voted against overwhelmingly. most folks hope abortion is rare. but i do not sit in judgement of someone who faces an unwanted pregnancy. brining them into a world where so many poor are likely destined to remain such just seems callous.

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:50 pm

So how does killing a baby in a 16 yr old different than killing a baby in an older person? Is the fact that a person is younger make her child less human?

Peter

August 20th, 2012
3:50 pm

Vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan is also on record in support of the personhood movement and wants to ban abortion in every case except when the life of the mother is at stake.

Well again it is the GOP wanting to tell all how to live their life.based on what ?

Joe Hussein Mama

August 20th, 2012
3:50 pm

Towncrier — “I don’t “know” Ryan, Huckabee or any other politician. I was speaking of people I know, who elect such men to office.”

:roll:

Your belated specificity is appreciated. Have you got any other caveats you’d like to get out of the way?

Gale

August 20th, 2012
3:50 pm

“abortion of convenience” may look a lot different if you were an 11 year old girl who did not understand the consequences of sex. It does happen and these girls should never carry to term while they are still growing themselves.

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

“And I challenge you to prove that “by far the majority” of all abortions performed in America are for convenience only.”

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Reasons_for_abortions

po dunk

August 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

Liberal Chicks

Exactly how much time have you spent counseling pregnant women? Finding foster homes for babies.

How many babies have you adopted?

Paul

August 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

Aaaannnnndddd…. Sen McCaskill’s 4-point deficit is erased and she goes on to claim victory in November!

Regarding Ryan and Romney: interesting they both pretty much take the position of their religious background. Well, okay for Romney, it’s his initial position, unmodified by whatever day it is or whatever group he’s speaking to.

“he has opened up an area of discussion that the Republican Party wants to avoid at all costs. ”

No kidding. When you put sound bites and slogans under close examination they end up with more holes than swiss cheese hit by a shotgun blast. Come to think of it, there are a number of areas of discussion the Republican Party wants to avoid at all costs!

kayaker 71

We agrree! In fact, I think the agreement pretty much cuts across the political spectrum on this blog. Particularly your last line.

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

He’s the fatal flaw in the liberal argument, it’s still murder. It’s verifiably a human life that you are taking. It doesn matter why you are killing it.

Even the law recognizes this, if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach, you will be charged with assault. However, if the baby dies, you will be charged with murder.

Cheesy Grits

August 20th, 2012
3:52 pm

So how does killing a baby in a 16 yr old different than killing a baby in an older person? Is the fact that a person is younger make her child less human?

It doesn’t and im not sure what your point is.

If I were you id step aside and let the rational adults hash this one out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
3:53 pm

brining them into a world where so many poor…

Brining the poor?

TaxPayer

August 20th, 2012
3:54 pm

Do not fear, Republicans. All is not lost. Have faith in your party’s ability to select another just as qualified to sit on the House Science and Technology Committee should Reverend Akin step down.

zeke

August 20th, 2012
3:54 pm

how is repubs don’t want some people to vote, but want you to bear a child? they want you to come into the world but not have any voice?

po dunk

August 20th, 2012
3:54 pm

JHM

I see you caught the Towncrier two step as well.

Jay

August 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

Yes, Crier, let’s indeed see what is factual. From the link that you just posted:

“The only anti-abortion exception Ryan favors is situations where an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. The National Right to Life Committee concurs, based on information the group says it collected in 1998 and 2000 from Ryan as a candidate.

So the Obama ad correctly claims that Ryan opposes abortions in cases of rape and incest.

But the tweet also says Ryan “supports banning all abortions.”

That appears to go too far (because Ryan supports life-of-mother exception)”

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

If the girl is 16, kill her baby is still murder.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

August 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

The GOP, the party that keeps on giving…..LOL

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

He’s the fatal flaw in the liberal argument, it’s still murder.

Nope.

“Murder” is a legal definition and since abortion is a legal procedure it can’t be murder.

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

If a woman is poor, killing her child is still murder.

East Lake Ira

August 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

“Brining the poor?”

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!1

That’s what makes the Chik fil A so tasty, keep it down…

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

“Your belated specificity is appreciated. Have you got any other caveats you’d like to get out of the way?”

It was not belated. In what sense are you prepared to argue that I “know” any of these politicians? To prove your case, please show where in any other post I have claimed to “know” any of them. But I am sorry for have not included the qualifier “personally” as we all misread each other from time to time.

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

If contraception failed, killing her baby is still murder.

Cheesy Grits

August 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

All one needs to do to see the difference in this argument is look at the two sides.

You have the pro-lifers like liberal chicks. They are running on emotion. Its a good one and their heart is in the right place. They just aren’t thinking it all the way through.

On the other side you have the pro-choice people. They are thinking about it in a more logical way.

Are we going to have abortions. Yes. Then lets deal with the problem. How can we best do that.

Just making it illegal isn’t going to change anything.

Peter

August 20th, 2012
3:56 pm

zeke funny stuff you just posted…. and the Republican’s want to cut the food stamps and help to those young mothers.. all while pouring more money into the Killing machine….the Defense Budget.

Funny how they talk with the forked tongue !

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

August 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

Lethal injection , Electric Chair , Carpet bombing , Nah that does’nt count.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

L. Chicks — “He’s the fatal flaw in the liberal argument, it’s still murder.”

Wrong. You can call a dog’s tail a leg if you want, but that doesn’t mean that a dog actually has five legs. Conversely, you can’t define legal abortion as illegal murder simply by claiming that abortion is murder.

“It’s verifiably a human life that you are taking.”

That’s open to debate, and it’s still being debated.

“It doesn matter why you are killing it.”

You’re right that it doesn’t matter. A woman’s reasons for obtaining a legal abortion don’t matter.

“Even the law recognizes this, if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach, you will be charged with assault.”

On the woman. I’d be interested in knowing about any jurisdictions where you’d be charged *twice* for assault in such a case.

“However, if the baby dies, you will be charged with murder.”

The law recognizes a distinction between such an act and legal abortion. You don’t. Shrug.

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

““Murder” is a legal definition and since abortion is a legal procedure it can’t be murder.”

[Rolling eyes] Correct…it is a Catch-22.

sheepdawg

August 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

abortion is not a government issue. period. the radical right wing nuts use it to froth up the poor uneducated, religious zealots to get them to the polls. sheeple, all of them. look at the red states, all the poorest, with the most christian zealots (american taliban). same ploy with the NRA and guns, same ploy with homosexual issues. keep the idiots scared and angry. when these sheeple get smarter, the GOP goes away entirely. what a glorious day that will be

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

“Liberal Chicks Hate Kids”

How incredibly silly is that?

Jay

August 20th, 2012
3:57 pm

So how does killing a baby in a 16 yr old different than killing a baby in an older person?

So, by that line of thought, how does killing a baby in a rape victim differ from killing a baby in another person?

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
3:58 pm

Rape and incest account for less than .5% of all abortions… Like I said, I’ll let you have your 0.5%. I’ll take the 99.5% of abortions of convenience.

This is a stupid argument preciesly because it’s so rare.

po dunk

August 20th, 2012
3:59 pm

Republican know this dude will go down

Senate Republicans are urging Rep. Todd Akin to drop his U.S. Senate bid in Missouri after the candidate told a local news show that women “rarely” become pregnant through “legitimate rape.”

The National Senatorial Campaign Committee has pledged to pull the $5 million it had planned to spend in Missouri if Akin stays in the race, a Republican with knowledge of the committee’s activity confirmed to RealClearPolitics. Crossroads GPS, a super PAC that has been running ads against Akin’s Democratic opponent, Sen. Claire McCaskill, plans to withhold additional ads if Akin does not drop out, spokesman Nate Hodson said.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/08/20/akins_rape_remark_echoes_beyond_missouri_race.html

TaxPayer

August 20th, 2012
3:59 pm

Just remember, when you Republicans get the urge, the Appalachian trail is just a hop, skip and a jump away. Then again, there’s always the Glenn Richardson route if you prefer to stay closer to home.

What did he say?

August 20th, 2012
3:59 pm

When I saw Akin’s interview replayed on TV this morning (and before I read the transcipt), I thought he meant “hole” and not “whole”.

Thomas Heyward Jr

August 20th, 2012
3:59 pm

No matter how many times you cowed down cattle submit………….a TSA gate-rape is NOT legitimate.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
3:59 pm

Please, “Liberal Chicks,” shout it to the rafters.

This is such a loser issue for your side it ain’t even funny.

Liberal Chicks Hate Kids

August 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

It doesn’t Jay, it’s still murder. But rape AND incest account for less than 0.5%. In the greated sceme, that’s very little. You give me the 99.5% and I will comprimise on the 0.5%. I can live with that deal.

#1 Foxy Lady

August 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

Towncrier, do you feel as stupid as you have been made to look?

Peter

August 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

Really the GOP would have the mother and child starve to death….since they wouldn’t want to help support them…….

Cheesy Grits

August 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

But you pretend like the 99.5 ( Even if those numbers are correct which i doubt ) will just go away

THEY WILL NOT !!!

The rich will just go to Canada and the poor will use a clothes hanger or dump the baby in a dumpster.

Isn’t that nice.

Towncrier

August 20th, 2012
4:01 pm

“So the Obama ad correctly claims that Ryan opposes abortions in cases of rape and incest.”

I’m sorry….I wasn’t aware he was running for president. But I guess the second time is the charm, huh?

“The Obama claim has a familiar ring: his campaign ran an ad in July 2012 saying Romney “backed a bill that outlaws all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest.”

PolitiFact National rated that claim Pants on Fire, because Romney had made clear he supported exceptions for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother.”